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For the Doctors new Archive

Formatting Edits

Timrem, I've realized that I need to learn a lot more about formatting and adding edits before I make a serious effort to contribute anything. I sure hope I didn't screw up your Talkpage too badly. Thanks for your patience with a silly newbie :) Doc Tropics 19:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I'll fix my talk page. If you start a line with a space, it won't indent, but put all the text in a box. To indent, you can use a colon (:). I started making a list somewhere of editing markup, I'll see if I can find that and give you a link to it.
I looked at Interorbital Systems, they seem to be a valid company. The German Wikipedia has an article on them, and doing a simple internet search on MSN gave me a link to a page on the National Geographic website which references them.
If you have any other questions, don't be afraid to ask. I won't always be so quick to answer, though :-) Timrem 19:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I found that markup page I mentioned, it is here. It's not done yet, I might be back to finish it some other time, but it should help a bit. It is, however, on the "Test Wikipedia", not the main English Wikipedia. Therefore, your login won't work there unless you create an account on that Wiki, as you would have to for any foreign-language Wiki or a sister project such as Wiktionary. The entire test Wikipedia is like a giant sandbox, so feel free to do any experimenting there if you want. Hope this helps, and thanks for trying to improve Wikipedia! Timrem 19:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
You can see Wikipedia:Barnstars for all types of barnstars. From there, all you have to do is copy and paste, then replace the word "message" with whatever you want. Timrem 20:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Spanish interest

Hey doc. Remember me? I'm your cookie dealer. I read your talk page and since most of the major articles I work on are translations of Spanish featured articles (in Spanish: ), I was wondering if I could call on you if I get stuck or need a second opinion. I am currently working on this translation. Oh, and feel free to drop by my talk page if you have any newbie (or other) problems—this place can be daunting for newcomers.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I would love it if you reviewed the article for errors but note that some text has been modified and added to with outside research. I wasn't necessarily requesting this however; rather I was hoping to add you to my list of people to call on if I get into trouble with difficult passages in the future. I just posted the article as an example of translation efforts.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi again F, looks like we just posted to each other at about the same time, heh heh. I'm replying here but you can copy this to your page if you prefer. What I was trying to say was feel free to contact me if I can help (yes, put me on your list), but I'm probably not competent to do more than check spellings, etc. Also, please let me know about any issues that you think I should be aware of, or which might be interesting. I want to make serious and useful contributions to WP, but I'm also interested in learning more about the community here and how to get along in it. For example, I'm intentionally limiting myself to noncontroversial userboxes and a simple sig due to the influence of certain Admins whose opinions I respect. Plus of course, Jimbo said so :) One of the things I quickly realized when I first started reading WP is that people skillls are at least as important as editing/writing/academic-type skills if someone wants to be able to make serious contributions and not waste their time in revert/edit/flame wars. Also, (despite my familiarity with WP:Bold), I've decided to adopt the first line of the Hippocratic Oath "Before all, do no harm....". Until I've learned a lot more, I'm only going to be WP:Bold in sandboxes :) Happy Editing! Doc Tropics 00:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. Would that we had more new users like you. I have no userboxes as the whole debate, both pro and con, disgusts me. Let's build an encyclopedia! (and waste no time at all arguing about the drapes). I have a few suggestions for pages to check out to learn about the community and that at the same time you might find interesting (of course policy pages are de rigeur for learning about Wikipedia): AfD; WP:RFA; WP:RFC; WP:FAC and WP:FA; WP:PR; and Special:Newpages. --Fuhghettaboutit 03:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well said Fugh, and I might just steal that quote: Let's build an encyclopedia! (and waste no time at all arguing about the drapes). I do like that :)

Thanks for all the great links to policy and procedures. I hadn't seen Special:Newpages before and I'll be sure to spend some time there. I also took the time to re-read through the other links since you clearly think they merit attention. Once I am more experienced I look forward to participating in many of those areas. And on a happy note...I've noticed some Botany related articles which might benefit from the inclusion of Climate Zone info. I'm going to dig through some reference books and see if I can actually make a real contribution! Doc Tropics 06:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, Doc Tropics. I hope you like Wikipedia and choose to stay. Cduffner 03:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Thank you

Greeatings and Welcome. While I certainly apprecitate your keen interest in me, I do have a few questions about your post if you could spare to answer at your leisure.

I was watching WP:RC and noticed an exchange between you and 'Grape Ape'. I just wanted to compliment you for being so WP:CIV in the face of what amounted to vandalism. You managed to be firm while admirably restraining yourself when provoked with foolishness. I just wanted to let you know that someone had noticed and taken the time to say 'thanks' for your efforts :) Happy Editing Doc Tropics 09:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Sir (or miss?) I am wondering why you think I provoked this gentleman? You say he showed great civility in what amounted to vandalism. I said nothing ill of him, and I stopped any edits he found to be not of his liking as soon as I received his request. What restraint did he show? I was blocked for three hours after I asked him to explain why South Park reference on Global Warming was not welcome and/or vandalism.(again I did not re-post any matters after he asked me too) Please note that I will not ask his permission for he is well above my status on Wikipedia and I will dutifully follow his orders to the letter, I am troubled that you think I personally attacked him and caused him to bite his tongue for my evils. Again I really appreciate your interest in my interests and in me so please don't hesitate to leave a message at your complete leisure.--The great grape ape is straight out of the know 14:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Grape Ape, thanks for taking the time to express your concerns in such a civil and well-worded fashion. I believe that this kind of constructive dialog between individuals acting in good faith is one of the great strengths of the WP project. As a brand new editor here I'm looking forward to this exchange as a learning experience, and I'd like to thank you in advance for helping me to become a better editor. You have raised a number of points which I'll try to address individually.
    • Provocation - I absolutely did not mean to imply that you had personally provoked or attacked William M. Connolley. In point of fact, all of your Talkpage edits were extremely civil and I'd like to compliment you for that :) I used the term 'provocation' in reference to an act that would be considered vandalism (which I'll amplify on below, see Global Warming header). Honesty compels me to admit that I used the term 'foolishness' in reference to a comment which I regarded as specious (your South Park defense). In retrospect, I should not have used potentially inflammatory language and I apologize for that. It was not in any way intended as an attack.
    • Original intent - I have noticed that the editors and admins who put lots of effort into Anti-vandalism activities tend to draw a lot of heat on themselves. My original intent was really nothing more than to compliment William for his efforts and let him know that they had been noticed and appreciated. I try to give contributors a 'pat on the back' whenever I can since so much good work goes unnoticed otherwise.
    • Global Warming - is an extremely controversial topic and the current article represents some very hard work by editors with different views who are working together to make the article a better entry. Most of those editors would probably regard the insertion of an essentially irrelevant cartoon as vandalism. If your intent really was to enhance the quality of the article then your efforts might have been better received if you you had discussed them on the Talkpage first. However, I suspect that your real intent was to inject some humor into an often terse and contentious dialog (and please do correct me if I have the wrong impression). While I might support the use of levity to defuse potentially hostile eruptions, I don't think that the article's main page is the best place for that either. Again....the Talkpage is a great place to discuss these issues and any contributions that other editors might take strong exception to. While we are indeed admonished to be WP:Bold in our efforts, I have seen that the very best articles are the ones where editors work together to achieve concensus rather than taking unilateral actions that will inevitably lead to reverts.
    • Status - I think WP generally tries to avoid or minimize issues of status. The perception seems to be that all of us, even Admins (sometimes refered to as janitors) are equal contributors to this exciting project. Please don't feel that you are somehow a 'lesser' editor simply because William has more experience (than either of us) or an Admin's tools (mop and bucket). For whatever it might be worth, I've noticed that you have a longer history (chronologically) than I do on WP, but I have no doubt that we can both make valuable contributions to the project if we try to focus on adding useful content.
    • I'm going to stop now because this response is getting so long that even I am getting bored with it; I hope I haven't put you to sleep :) I hope that you will find my input to be constructive and useful, as that is my only intent. Please do feel free to respond if you think that my perceptions are incorrect or if I have missed some important point. If you could post any such response to this page, I think that will help keep the dialog coherent and easy to follow. In closing, I would like to add one completely personal (and possibly biased) observation:
I saw the episode of South Park that you referenced, and in all honesty...I laughed my ass off! It was hilarious. However...that still doesn't mean the cartoons belonged in the article's main page :) I do hope that this can be a learning experience for all of us (myself included) which will ultimately lead to more and better contributions to the project which we are all a part of! Happy editing! Doc Tropics 17:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I must also thank you for your professional response and your own unequalled civility. I truly look forward to seeing you out there in Wikipedia.--The great grape ape is straight out of the know 21:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Dates?

Hi,

First, thank you for the compliment, which this wiki-gnome doesn't deserve. :) As for the issue at hand, you have stumbled on to one of those small editorial disputes that, despite utter triviality, manages to inflame the passions of several of our regular editors. There is a setting in Wikipedia preferences allowing users to specify whether they prefer American (January 20, 2003) or European (20 January 2003) date-styling. Wikipedia is smart enough to display dates according to these preferences if they are wiki-linked, ex. January 20, 2003. Irrespective of how any editor types a date, a wikilinked date will display according to the individual reader's preference. NB: the Manual of Style says that, notwithstanding this, editors writing an article should type dates as appropriate for the topic (American dating for "American topics", eg. George Washington; European for "European topics", eg. George III; and either for "neutral topics", eg. Earth.)

However, these preferences matter only for full dates; there is no agreement about whether dates like 2003, or March 2003 should be linked. Some argue that all such links are distracting; some, that only the first instance in any article should be linked; and some, that every date should be linked for user-ease. I don't care personally, but I suppose I am most happy with the third camp. Some serious editors really care about this, though, for reasons I don't grasp. In general, a large middle-ground agrees it is bad form to edit an article only to add or remove date wiki-links. Editors adding true content to article may do as they wish with linking.

Although this is the middle-ground's "truce", very experienced editors will occasionally actually "edit war" over linking and delinking. Most people think this is a bit loony, but at least one respected admin I know of, User:Quadell, left Wikipedia over the tension stemming from a date-link edit war.

So, there you go. My advice is that you should never edit an article just to link or delink dates, but do as you wish when adding content, and certainly in spaces outside article-space. Ignore date edit-warriors, and maybe stifle a secret giggle about how silly it is for people to waste such emotion over such minor detail. :) Best wishes, Xoloz 02:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Even though this isn't even my talk page, and I can't be bothered to tell Xoloz, I have to say that taught me a lot. A lot. It also reminded me of how silly Wikipedia is... o_O Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 00:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I made a point of telling him what a great response that was (it's on his Talkpage). One of the fascinating paradoxes of WP is that it contains both mind-boggling silliness and truely profound wisdom, yet through some kind of bizarre intellectual alchemy the two elements synthesize and distil down into nuggets of pure gold. I've seen one article after another caught up in a conflagration of controversy before finally emerging stronger for it in the end. Have I mixed enough metaphors yet, or shall I go on? :) Doc Tropics 00:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
It was a great amount of metaphors indeed, but it was all very true. On a sidenote, all pages have been speedily deleted now, leaving only our Timeline of space exploration. It needs information incorporated from Space exploration, though. Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 01:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


Timeline of space exploration

WOW! You are fast. Great start on the new page, it's a huge improvement over the previous version. I'll put more specific comments on the Talkpage for the article. Happy editing :) Doc Tropics 01:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

No, not really - there wasn't much to put in there, was it? Tabbed browsing helps, though. Get Firefox if you haven't already. ;) Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 01:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I haven't got Firefox yet, but it seems like I should. I'll see you in Timeline after I've done some research. Doc Tropics 01:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. :) Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 01:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


With Extra Chocolate Chips

You got a hole-in-one on the quote :)

Next time I'll be trickier, but I want to see if anyone else can tag the quote you left behind Doc Tropics 02:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually I just googled it, found some vague Indiana Jones links, and then checked it on imdb.com. You should see [User:Raul654]'s challenges, THOSE are hard... Jobjörn (Talk | contribs) 02:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


village pump

It's all tidied up now. You probably used the [edit] box following the section rather than at the top of the section; easy enough to do. Minor edit glitches are no big deal. (I didn't just move your edit the first time because some consider that poor form.) -R. S. Shaw 03:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


Nazis

Wow - that was actually unintentional! Is it possible that, if the first one to call his opponent a nazi loses, then the first one to call himself a nazi wins? I enjoyed your comment, but it was a good hour and a half later when I made those grammar edits, and had forgotten. "Lamentable"... that works I think. :) -GTBacchus(talk) 04:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I knew there was a sense of humor in there somewhere :) Coincidence or not, it really made me chuckle because, chronologically, they did come in sequence that way. It's a good essay, although I didn't bother to say so (I thought that part would be obvious). Are you planning to expand on it, or to keep it short and simple? I agreed with the Anon IP section too, and I'm glad you cleaned it up. I guess I'm not bold enough for that yet. Happy editing. Doc Tropics 04:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
It's actually my first Wikipedia essay, and I'm not sure where it'll go. If the response continues to be positive for a few days, I'll try adding it to the "See also" sections of WP:AGF and WP:VAND; that'll get it more views and more feedback and more improvements. I've got some other thoughts I've been chewing on that I may try writing up as well. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I do think it's worth drawing attention to it, but maybe something subtle like...HEY LOOK AT THIS!!!. I'll keep an eye on it. Anything that reduces wiki-stress is a good thing :) Doc Tropics 09:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC) (oops, i forgot to sign this at the time, so I added my sig later)


Iris sibirica

Hi Doc Tropics - happened on your note on SBJohnny's page, I've expanded on the species a bit (and moved it to its sci name, as all the other iris species pages are). On your hardiness zone query, generally if they're added I don't remove them, but personally I don't tend to think they are particularly useful, as the system is not too good a predictor of successful cultivation (see the para I added on the hardiness zone page, re Shetland and Alabama: same zone, but very different climates). Up to you whether you want to add them or not. Hope this helps! - MPF 18:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned on my talk, I like having them there... though it's true that the low number (minimum survivable winter temps) is probably the only universally useful one. There are also the AHS heat zones, California Sunset Zones, etc., to make things more confusing (and/or useful). SB Johnny 00:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


Project Horticulture and Gardening

Sorta related to the hardiness zones thing... feel like joining a project (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Horticulture_and_Gardening)? I started it a few months ago but it hasn't gotten a lot of play as yet. Hardiness zones, soil/sun/shade preferences, etc. are among the things I'd like to see added to articles (maybe even a "hortobox" to compliment the "taxobox"?

A lot of people use the 'net in general to find information about gardening... I think WP (and WB) could go pretty far in meeting the need! SB Johnny 15:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow, my first invite to join a project! Thanks SBJ, I'm really looking forward to working on these topics, but let me offer a caveat: I am a rank amateur! I lack the depth of knowledge that you and your horticultural compatriots have, but I'd be happy to help where I can. Regarding your suggestion, I think the idea of a "hortobox" is excellent, and modeling it after the "taxobox" would go a long way towards giving the articles a certain consistency and completeness. Count me in :) Doc Tropics 16:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


It appears to have been reverted...

There's been a lot of that going around. Thanks, though! --EngineerScotty 22:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The best way to help is to join RC patrol; you need not be an admin to do so. But be warned--most of the vandals you revert will be bored teens, curious users, and such who will quickly go away (or become upstanding Wikipedia citizens). Occasionally, you will run into a user (as I apparently have) who takes extreme offense at undoing what he considers to be a fine contribution (and everyone else considers vandalism); and tries to make your life miserable. (For details on this particular individual, see WP:LTA#Unemployed, living in basement).

Good luck! --EngineerScotty 22:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Aye. :) --EngineerScotty 23:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


RE: Hortobox, etc.

Don't worry, the Brya stuff has nothing to do with the hortibox (note the "i"... probably better?). Best way to help get it done is to add moral support to my requests on WP:TOL and WP:PLANTS (on the talk pages in each case).

The plant and gardening sections of WP are relatively quiet, actually... this is the first time I've run into a serious troll since I started editing here last autumn (other parts of WP have packs of them running about, ducking under bridges, etc.). I'm hoping to keep it that way by keeping after him until the problem is solved. SB Johnny 16:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Here's the box! SB Johnny 12:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Still needs some work, I think... Might actually belong here instead, so we can feel more free to add details on cultivation.


Bead

Thanks for your good work on this article! It is really appreciated. pschemp | talk 03:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to you, too pschemp. I got so excited that someone noticed me, I went and posted on your page before I saw your note on communications. sorry. Doc Tropics 04:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Sure

Hello Doc, I feel highly pleased to meet you. You are msot welcome. The matter is engaging the attention of several editors of wikipedia. Sometime bacl I had started a page: Better than the Best. I am still working on the issues which we should resolve to ensure that we emerge and continue to become the Best. I shall inter-act more with you. You are msot welcome to offer your suggestions, I shall continue to offer mine - others shall join, and we may surely be able to formulate a system. Regards. --Bhadani 16:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


Periodic table (Chinese)

Well, I personally feel that it's long enough. I mean it's one thing to say it's long enough to have its own article, but it's another to say it's too long to merge it into Periodic table. It would be a bit of an eyesore, with the full table and everything. Also, it might be a bit inappropriate, figuring it's basically a strictly-scientific page. Perhaps a "See Also", or a small subsection discussing translations with one of these

Main article: Periodic table (Chinese)

. So, I'd say don't be afraid to change your vote. If you've been convinced by other arguments, you're a better person for not sticking with something you feel is wrong. AdamBiswanger1 22:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your concern

Hello Doc.

Thank you very much for your kind words that are much appreciated.

As you can see, I am back. I was persuaded by friends on here that the best way to fight political correctness and "deletionist interference" (which in a nutshell is what the issue is all about) is from within.

I'm going to try and obtain a total membership control facility of sorts to protect our projects from the negative elements with and the IP address vandals without. Basically, all decisions re categories and deletion of articles to be taken and implemented by registered members subject to group consensus. I would also want any article changes made by an outsider to be approved by a member before they can be displayed to the world. With the technology available, that is not impossible to achieve.

Other than that, I shall continue to be positive and try to produce informational work that helps to improve the knowledge of the readers. That is what it should be all about but unfortunately there are people on here who see things in a negative light. Do you know there is one inhabitant of the Deletion Cavity (they sound like Morlocks, don't they) who proudly proclaims himself on his userpage as a "deletionist"? How negative is that?

All the best, Doc, and I hope we can stay in touch. --Jack 08:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


Cooookie

Thanks for the cookie!  :) --Fang Aili talk 20:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes! Thanks so much for my cookie as well! (And as for your spelling-have no fear- I'll never tell! Shh!)  :) --Cabiria 05:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration. It'd be fun to have ribbons on my cookie. ;) The Kill Bill quote stumped you? --Fang Aili talk 15:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe I didn't recognize that! What's really horrible is I own both volumes on DVD. I'm going to plead "Stupid by reason of insufficient coffee", it's the only defense that stands a chance. --Doc Tropics 15:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

LOL. --Fang Aili talk 17:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Short articles and stubs

When you see an article that seems to you to be too short, please consider adding the comment {{expand}} or one of the stub types from Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types, rather than suggesting that the article be deleted. At the same time, try to expand the article a bit, even if you don't have the time or information to do a thorough expansion. See Wikipedia:Stub for more information about stubs. Regards --TruthbringerToronto 18:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Higgins Glass

I'm looking at a redlink purge from the article, firstly, do you think Institute of Design refers to Institute of Design IIT? Also, you might want to check out some of these. There must be something useful. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Your Grace. I suspect that Institute of Design has either changed names or disappeared entirely in the last 50 years. I'll dig deeper when I get a chance, but let's kill the redlink for now. Maybe the same should apply to Dearborn Glass Company. They are actually located not too far from me and I was planning to create an article for them after I wrapped up some other things. In general I don't like redlinks except as a reminder that we need to add more content. --Doc Tropics 18:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Does the Dearborn Glass Company still exist? A link to their website would do nicely. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Tony Grove

Yes, it was Tony Grove that I was asking about. I can't find out anything about him, either, even on the web site of the university where he supposedly taught, Nottingham Trent University. You were correct to add the prod tag. --TruthbringerToronto 18:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


User:Ansett blanking pages

Left a note on his talk page - again. He has been warned a number of times about page blanking. I'm afraid next time it happens, a note will have to be left on WP:AN - I would prefer to have dealt with it nicely, but it just happens time and again. :S ViridaeTalk 13:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for jumping in. I was leaving a message for him and had an edit conflict with you. I didn't realize he had done it before so I let your message stand alone because you were firmer with him. Maybe you could answer a question for me on a related topic: I noticed a user who continually blanks his Talkpage, which has the effect of hiding the various warnings he's been issued multiple times. Is their either policy or guideline relating to that? --Doc Tropics 13:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Reply on my page - to keep it in one spot ViridaeTalk 13:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
And again. ViridaeTalk 14:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks

Thanks a heap :) I don't do it for the praise - but its a bonus when someone appreeciates your work. And I reciprocate - I had a look at your contribs too and was very suprised to find you only had 300 (exactly at the time of this post) I thought you had been here much longer - you are way more involved than I was at the start! ViridaeTalk 14:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie :) ViridaeTalk 15:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


Our favorite AfD!!!

Haha thanks. I love how he called the periodic table "fancruft". Does that make any sense to you? haha wow. Oh by the way I was just browsing along and I noticed some kid who wrote an article on transliteration into Chinese characters, and I asked him if he could help us. We'll have to see if he actually does. AdamBiswanger1 16:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I think "cruft" may be one of the most abused words on WP. People will use it to describe anything they regard as trivial...and sometimes anything they don't understand :) --Doc Tropics 16:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


The essay

Yes. You are most welcome to invite them. Thank you. --Bhadani 17:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


RE: cookie

Thanks for the cookie! Yes, I'm also pleased with the way things worked out with Ken. This has restored my faith in the process of trying to work with those who start out inserting undesirable content. --AbsolutDan (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes that was quite amazing. Take care --AbsolutDan (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


Yo doc

I left a reply on the Wikipedia:Better than the Best page. Cheers AdamBiswanger1 19:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


Altona Gate

Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Essentially, Wikipedia has a pretty low bar for notability. We haven't had an article on a primary school or a train station deleted in I don't know how long. I tend to believe that, since shopping centres are likely to be used by a fair few more people than either a primary school or a train station, that it can't hurt to have articles on them - and I for one find the occasional shopping centre article interesting to read. Not everyone agrees, of course, and the last few shopping centre votes on AfD have been quite close, but most of them have, IIRC, resulted in either a straight keep or a no consensus keep. Rebecca 01:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If you think it should be deleted, you're welcome to nominate it - don't let me put you off! As for expanding it - something like Chadstone Shopping Centre isn't a bad example of a local shopping centre article if you're interested. Rebecca 01:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Greetings. If I could join in. Altona Gate is my local shopping centre and I like it because it is very small unlike Highpoint Shopping Centre. I hate crowds. This means that pretty well anything that can be written about it has been written in the brief stub already. It is a lot smaller than Highpoint or, I believe, Chadstone. But nevertheless, have a go. Reply here if you want to reply. --Bduke 01:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bduke, input is always welcome, especially from a native of the area. I'll compare all the mentioned articles when I have a chance. You said that you like Altona Gate but don't think there's much more to say, so let me ask you this: Speaking as both a customer of the mall, and a Wikipedian, do you think the articles merits inclusion here? I'm very interested in your opinion, thanks in advance for sharing. --Doc Tropics 02:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

First, you might be interested in the discussion on this Mall at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board. I started that and that is how I came to follow the debate you had with Rebecca. I really hate deleting material on WP. I much prefer to leave stuff unless it is total crap and against our policies. I think this one is marginal but I would leave it. Maybe there is more to say. I note by the way that there is little on the Highpoint article and that Shopping Mall is massive. However, it might be better to add the material to Altona North which is a pretty small article. That would keep the material. --Bduke 02:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info Bduke, especially the pointer to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board. I dropped a note there hoping to generate more discussion and it seems to be working. I'm interested in the suggestions of either including these items in a list or incorporating them into articles about the local area/region. I concur with your views on "total crap" and clearly these types of articles don't fall into that category. However, it does seem that review and concensus regarding individual articles would be worthwhile. The Chadstone Shopping Centre that Rebecca pointed out seems to be an excellent example of a good article on the topic. As a minor aside, I'm somewhat taken aback to find myself in dialog with someone who has such outstanding personal credentials as well as a history of WP contributions like yours. Plus, you have a very distinguished beard which is a well-known sign of high intelligence and intellectual prowess :) Thanks again for taking the time to be so helpful. --Doc Tropics 17:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your kind words

Thanks very much for your note. I appreciate it. I changed the tense of the article to future tense. I also added the images and some references and did some expansion and re-wording. I haven't yet been able to substantiate all of the original authors informaiton, so I left him a message asking him for his sources. I figured that is a lot easier than me finding them all over again. I'll gladly take a look at your new article and see if I can make any suggestions. Thanks again, Johntex\talk 06:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've noticed that the best articles are always a team effort with each editor bringing different skills and talents to the project. --Doc Tropics 06:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


IMHO

Cross posted:BTW - No need to bring Captain Kook to anyone's attention anymore. He recently called himself to the attention of our legal counsel Brad Patrick with an...interesting...message titled "Hi Brad". I find myself harboring some sadly non-wiki sentiments probably best not elaborated on here :) --Doc Tropics

What on earth? Seriously, what the hell is that about! Sounds like he has lost it. I now know who you are talking about by the way - I had never seen him user the signature Captain Kook, but I have seen IMHO around. ViridaeTalk 08:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he started in the Half-life article and he's been posting to almost every column in The Village Pump recently. I have to admit that tagging him as Captain Kook was my idea of a joke, but probably poor wikiquette. I try to be a good boy but sometimes...it's just hard. I've made a point of never, ever engaging him or responding to his comments because I don't think I could do it without turning into a troll. Sometimes when I need a break from more serious editing I follow his recent contribs just for a chuckle :) --Doc Tropics 08:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes I feel that I am harrasing users, because everything they do vioolates something and I pull them up on it. Can't be helped, I tell them what they did wrong then politely point them in the right direction. No point in being annoyed with them. ViridaeTalk 13:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Regarding new users, you're quite correct; getting them pointed in the right direction without causing bad feelings requires a gentle approach, patience, and tact. I hope you aren't considering IMHO as a new user though...he's been here longer than you and has a similar (but slightly lower) number of total edits. I don't want to seem like I'm attacking anyone, it's just that when I see behavior like his I tend to wonder...how long until they self-destruct? In this case I think the answer is: not long. On a seperate topic, I see that you're 'acquainted' with Bduke, apparently through the AfD re Periodic table (Chinese). Do Aussies use the phrase "...it's a small world"? :) --Doc Tropics 16:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks!

Thanks for the sandwich! CaptainVindaloo t c e 13:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You earned it and I just wanted to make sure you knew that your efforts were appreciated. I think we're getting close to seeing some comments at Template talk:Did you know and I'm anxious to see what needs improvement. BTW - I certainly learned a lot from you just by watching your edits to see how things should be done, but I think I lack the patience for the kind of detail work that you seem to excel at. --Doc Tropics 16:33, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Your article, Higgins Glass, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On June 29, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Higgins Glass, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 17:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence (Potato Salad of Congeniality cluster, 1st. class) In Panis, Veritas.
Awarded to Doc Tropics for destubbing and improving Higgins Glass to DYK status in just one day. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:29, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice work, dude! CaptainVindaloo t c e 17:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that was some good teamwork. I think I'll add this to my Userpage brag section :) --Doc Tropics 18:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Congrats! Doing some good work. ViridaeTalk 06:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to say

Check my userpage - the cookie is now enshrined where it should be :) ViridaeTalk 06:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Google the quote and you will be able to find where it comes from. Feel free to change it though - it's a little obscure. ViridaeTalk 06:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
"...it's a little obscure."? A little? You've clearly mastered the art of understatement! But I'll leave it as is and make someone work for their cookie :) --Doc Tropics 06:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Congratulations

On the DYK! --Fuhghettaboutit 06:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Not a prob

Not a prob. It may have happened during the WoW attack the other day, someone might have thought it deserved an AFD but luckly didn't complete the procedure. Happy Editing Aeon 15:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Not at the moment, Just had an Anom IP vandalise my user page because I submitted an article for AFD (on one that is very political so you can get the picture of what has been going on in that AFD) so my level is up a little. Other than that everything is fine thanks for checking in Happy Editing Aeon 16:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh don't worry. That article needs to go, look what it is causing? Not to mention the Sockpuppets, Anon IP and Meatpuppets oh well, lets hope the closing Admin makes a good decision I would hate to go through this again. Aeon 17:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Same here going to the Hurricane portal to find an article to work on. Aeon 18:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


The Strickland-meister

Hey, just noticed you've added a bunch of wiki-links to Earl Strickland but most of them are red. Are you going to write the articles required to turn these red links blue or find appropriate links existing in Wikipedia to link to, or (3) none of the above? Budgiekiller 20:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. I had been editing the page when I had a minor RL disaster involving a cat and a large stack of boxes. I think I must have hit save as I jumped up, even though I hadn't finished. I probably would have forgotten the article if you hadn't dropped a note on my page. I killed all the redlinks for now and the article looks good again :) --Doc Tropics 20:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow, sounds disastrous! Remind me to place the cat and the boxes in a spare room and close the door before I edit pages!! No problems, thanks for pleasant discussion. Budgiekiller 20:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


holy flying IPs, Batman

That's a lot of anons. I don't have a lot of experience with this type of thing. My understanding is that the closing admin sorts through it. And whoever wants to get involved can put in comments like "user's 1st edit", which helps the closing admins determine consensus. I would do something with it right now, but to be honest I have already done enough on the comptuer today and I'm ready to do something else. Let me know if there's a delay in closing this one. --Fang Aili talk 22:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks

For reverting my user page :) ViridaeTalk 23:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

No worries --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 01:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


My Quote

It is a hard quote but it's from a classic. Hint that will probably give it away The first real champion of great tech work. Yanksox 05:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


OUTSTANDING!

Now that is Cool! Aeon 20:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I bet 10$ and the admin rights to one of my forums that they bring it back by the end of the week. Aeon 23:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

yep lol....it is good, boy that was a hard AfD to get through. Aeon 12:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone is now trying to get it undeleted. [Link] Aeon 15:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

That "someone" would be me, User:Tiamut. And I don't appreciate you making threats. To recap, you said,

"Wow! That didn't take long. I think we need to put that article down with a stake through its chest and stuff its mouth with holy wafers...--Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 15:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)"

And then Aeon wrote the sentence which appears here:

  • Falls out of chair becuase he is laughing so hard* I know a catholic chaplian, you get the stake I will give him a call Aeon 15:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Now, why would that be so funny? I know I write and edit articles late at night on Mary's Well, Palestinian Christian and Nazareth. I've mentioned my Christian background on talk pages there. And I also know I have a tendency to verbosity. But I don't think talk of forming a double tag team to drive a stake through me and stuff holy wafers in my mouth is remotely funny. It's actually totally offensive and threatening. Could you explain or clarify for me in case I have misunderstood? Tiamut 19:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

We (myself and doc Tropics) did not make any threats. We are just sharing a joke about that AfD. Sorry if it has irratated you but you must understand that that was a rather stressful AfD for all concerned and a little release was needed. The article in question in mine and several other opinion needed to be deleted, it was not notable enough to be in wikipedia. Please in the future not accuse anybody of making threats, it was a simple joke about the AfD (the fact that it wasn't until the next day that is was nomed for undelete.) and not ment to be anyhting but a joke. Aeon 20:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Tiamut, I'm sorry you were confused about my remarks on Aeon's Talkpage and took them the wrong way. If you'll just reread the sentence of mine that you copied here you'll notice I said: "...That article..."needed to be put down with a stake. It was meant as a joke after a difficult AfD, not as a threat. I'm aware that you participated in the AfD but we've never had any contact; I assure you that our jokes were not aimed at you and they were jokes, not threats. Personally, I think everyone, including the 3 of us, is still just a little wound up about that contentious article. Frankly, Aeon and I were pleased to see it deleted (for reasons we made clear in AfD) and we were somehwat chagrined to see it brought back for review after less than 48 hours. I felt like it was rising from the dead...hence my reference to killing it like a vampire. I can understand that you wouldn't find our comments funny because you worked hard to preserve the article; I respect the work you did, and your position, even though I disagree with you on that particular topic. In short, I think this was just a small misunderstanding and I hope it won't affect any work we might do together in the future. Regards, --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 21:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Doc Tropics, I do appreciate that you recognize why I would not find your "joke" funny, and agree that we all might be a little wound up over that article. Do consider though that an article does not renominate itself for deletion, and your comments came directly after I voted to overturn the deletion, and this is something you both could not have failed to notice since Aeon linked to the Deletion:review page, just after I made my vote to overturn. I am, however, going to take your explanation at face value. You were attentive in addressing my concern and I'm not looking to make any enemies.Tiamut 09:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Do worry about us Tiamut, hope you stick around on Wikipedia. Remember allways assume god faith in things. Aeon 01:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Note to self: Don't ask Aeon to spellcheck my work for me :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 01:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Aeon, either you are a very bad speller and copy editor, or you think that continuing to make subtle threats and jokes about religion is somehow funny. Perhaps you really do want to threaten me, but prefer to be subtle. As an Administrator, I would think that you have a greater responsibility to both good copy and good conduct. But if you prefer to take this matter lightly, that's your perogative.Tiamut 09:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Tiamut Please stop accuseing me of making threats I'm not, ok. I don't wish this to go any farther. Please understand this please stop, If this contiunes I may submit a Request for Comment or Mediation to resolve this. My reply to you had a wording prblem and was not how I intended it so I fixed it. Note: That I have replyed to you on your talk page as well (posted this one over the old one, the old one was a little Fiester and not how I wanted to come off) Aeon 18:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Forget about it. I guess I misunderstood and was tracing patterns out of coincidences. Truce? Tiamut 18:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh BTW I'm not a Sysop (Admin on Wikipedia) nor do I wish to be one, I'm a system Admin at my weather office. Aeon 18:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Correction: per the terms of our bet, I am now an Admin at your weather office, plus you owe me USD$10. Pay up buddy! --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 18:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Correction to the Correction: That was for one of my Forums (hands over 10$USD) Aeon 18:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The two of you have surpassed my expectations of the kindness and good humour that can come out of a heated Afd debate. I look forward to your return. Enjoy your vacation! Tiamut 10:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


question

I'm in a little debate with a few other editors about a page move. Do you think you could add some outside insight? Some of us think that Syracuse, Italy should automatically retain the page "Syracuse" with a link to the disambiguation at the top of the page. Others, myself included, think that "Syracuse" should link to a disambig page because "Syracuse, New York" is actually larger than Syracuse, Italy, and the notability difference is too small to not need a disambig. So, if you could add some input that would be great. Also, don't feel like you have to side with me--I'm not trying to gather support--There's just not enough people to form a fair consensus. Thanks alot! AdamBiswanger1 14:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help AdamBiswanger1 15:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Gitlow

I'm not sure what I should make of this guy. He's really pushing this "Alcoholism as a disease" viewpoint, and he has good sources to back it up. He claims to be an eminent physician, and Google brings up a several pages relating to him. Half of me wants to back down to the expert and recognize that Truth is not found by consensus, and the other half of me wants to recognize that popular sentiment is that this issue is unresolved. But in the end I have feeling that Gitlow (If he is indeed Gitlow) is just flat out wrong about there being a definite consensus. Check out the Alcoholism page. Medical Man added an absurd amount of sources to counter Gitlow. It's pretty hilarious AdamBiswanger1 15:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

User_talk:Lindsay658#Ownership


DYK

Updated DYK query On July 5, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Forbes State Forest, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BRIAN0918 19:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence (Potato Salad of Congeniality cluster, 1st. class) In Panis, Veritas.
Awarded to Doc Tropics for improving Forbes State Forest to DYK status! CaptainVindaloo t c e 22:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Bloody hell, another one! Well done! Never saw you submit that one! CaptainVindaloo t c e 22:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholism

I hope my disagreement with you did not suggest you are not wanted, we are in great need of experienced editors such as yourself there. The most active editors (including yours truly) are mostly freshmen (first year Wiki editors). We have lots subject matter experts there but very few people who are experts in Wiki policy and standards and in my opinion, that is what is causing the delayed resolution and contributing to the hostilities. As you can see simply getting editorial consensus on a definition is a major undertaking but in spite of all the debate and contention I think we're slowly making some progress. Again, I hope you'll stick around and lend us a hand. Mr Christopher 22:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

You were actually very considerate in your reply Mr Christopher, especially when you reworded your first response to include me specifically (yes, I noticed that and appreciated it). I'm still a newcomer to wiki, and certainly no subject matter expert, but I have observed the processes involved in writing a strong article and I'm familiar with the policies and guidelines of WP. Since I'm not really qualified to comment on content, I was hoping that my views as a layman would help keep the article accessible for "average" readers. As for disagreement...I think that can actually be an important part of the process. When editors disagree, but work together through honest dialogue to achieve consensus, the result is almost always a better, stronger article and a "victory" for WP. IMHO, Alcoholism has the potential to achieve Featured Article status, and I'd like to work towards that goal. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 23:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


Forbes State Forest, Pennsylvania

Hello, thanks for your note about Forbes State Forest, Pennsylvania. Sorry I didn't reply sooner - I have been travelling. I did a little searching for a photo for this article, including the use of my two favorite photo sources. The first of these is yotophoto, which searches for free images (interestingly it was created by someone to search for free images here and at commons, though now it searches other places as well). The other is to do a Google image search with "whatever"+.gov The premise is that US govt works are in the public domain. This works especially well with topics related to the US govt, including anything NASA or the USGS would ever have put a hand into. Alas, so far I have come up dry. You might try putting a request on relevant articles, such as Talk:Pennsylvania to see if any local Wikipedians may have a photo. Good luck, Johntex\talk 23:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks, sorry I haven't been more successful so far. If I get another inspiration I'll try again. Happy editting - Johntex\talk 00:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Critique

Since Tiamut mentioned our misunderstanding at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance) I've created this section so that anyone who has a concern about my behaviour or a comment on the situation can post it here. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 07:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I will also be checking here as well. Aeon 18:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


New User Box I'm a joke not a Threat

LOL, I need to make that userbox! yep mine is bad to. I only wish Tiamut would stop accusing me of making threats. Hopefully he will relise that I'm just an harmless insane Weather Guesser in the US Navy with SYTEM (not Sysop) Admin Privilages lol Aeon 18:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Doc this is for you Aeon 19:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Thanks for handling that issue. You have had a great sense of humor about it Aeon 19:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


KNLC's Current Observation

METAR KNLC 061855Z 32008KT 7SM SKC 27/11 A3003 RMK SLP169 T02780111

Basicly the weather is great (Sky Clear, No Weather and hot with a nice breaze).

Thanks for the sandwich! I needed that. I have been to Singapore, Japan, U.A.E, Bahrain, Austalia, Italy and Hawaii Aeon 19:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

That's quite a list of countries. If travel broadens the mind, your brain must be leaking out your ears :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 19:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yep..opps need to get a drip pan there it goes again. Thanks again for the Sandwich! Aeon 19:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cookie and thanks for reminding me of that awesome line! I got to goJulia we got Cows!Aeon 23:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

LOL, that's the one! --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 23:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Your message

Copied from my talk.

Thanks so much for your brief but lucid contribution to the Talkpage. I feel better knowing that an experienced Wikipedian has their eye on things there, especially someone who has the good taste to quote Blake's "Tyger" on their Userpage :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 17:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. ; - ) I've been watching "the tyger" to see if he is after my peace dove. So far the tiger is staying in place. Wiki peace still reigns. Take care, FloNight talk 06:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, as long as wikipeace still reigns then I can sleep easy, or I would if I could tear myself away from WP :) But I'm curious about "Tyger"; I seem to recall it opened with "Tyger, tyger, burning bright/in the forests of the night/O what mortal hand or eye/could frame thy fearful symmetry?" It's been a couple of decades since I brooded over Blake as a college Freshman; am I remembering wrong? --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

You remember correctly. I skipped to the meat of the poem. I put it on my user page to use as a visual representation of a Wiki-dude that is harassing me in real life. Not knowing what he looked like was adding to my frustration. It worked great. I'm pretty good at using imagery and relaxation techniques to handle my stress. I did not use Blake's actual work because the tiger looks too meek. Take care, FloNight talk 19:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your good work

Hi Doc- I really appreciate your highly effective work on the Alcoholism page. I had recently grown very frustrated and discouraged but now think we have a good shot at making this page a good one. There's clearly a lot of good faith effort on the part of everyone involved.

Don't apologize for not being an expert, which has little or nothing to do with bing an effective editor.

There are many controversies surrounding alcoholism, it's often a very emotional subject, and is even a life-threatening problem for some people. We have a big responsibility to create a page that is accurate and, at the least, does no harm to people. With everyone's cooperation we can do it.Medical Man 14:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Alcoholism Consensus

Doc, I have made two comments in on the talk page, one I think you missed one and one I wrote after you had left the building. Would you take a moment and read my latest two entries there? In short I feel we are doing a disservice to Robert by moving on (changing the article and starting on the next section) without his consent. I also think this could set a bad precedent and could be interpreted as mob rule. On a lighter note I very much appreciate your efforts which may in fact have lead to a concensus, at least on the first sentence/paragraph. You bring a valuable enthusiasm and fresh viewpoint to the article. I'm glad you've joined us. Cheers! Mr Christopher 19:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Got your note, saw your revert, we're on the same page. Life is good Mr Christopher 21:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


Butterfly

Thank you for the butterfly. I hope you enjoy your weekend...perhaps all of us can take a breather for a day or two. The alcoholism entry won't vanish in the meantime. Your efforts have been very much appreciated. Drgitlow 14:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


More accurate way...

The quote itself comes straight from The Simpsons, specifically the episode where Homer goes into space, although there is one very similar in Pyramids...

The telling off was for a sarcy edit summary when a beligerant editor felt that astrology didn't belong in the category pseudoscience, and sadly it wasn't as witty as the first comment. Anyway, glad I can lighten the day. :) Jefffire 14:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


Your Userbox Sugestion

JokeThis User is a joke not a threat

There you go! I just made it enjoy! Aeon 02:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Not a prob.....lol Aeon 22:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


LOL

Not a prob! Aeon Insane Ward 00:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


PA State Forests / Parks

I am working on making the 21 PA state forest articles more uniform in style. After I get them all to a certain point (3 to go), I was going to work on state parks and make PA Scenic River stubs. Do you have a state park article to use as a model? Ruhrfisch 11:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Folk school

Hi, thanks for your answer. I 've just expanded this article as Pharos suggested --15:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC), could you please check out the text ; I'm aware of a en-3 only level about my fluency. I also tried a sentence there but I'm quite sure it's not properly written so I daren't publish it in that form. Yet, the idea is there (it is highlighted in bold caps).

Regards,

The Lilliputian.


SWAT3

Hey there, just spotted your edit on the old watchlist. Sorry I can't join in at the moment, I'm busy with the RuneScape subpages mess. I'll grab some of those screenshots in a bit, in the meantime, I'll nuke that clansite link, as they are clearly not allowed. CaptainVindaloo t c e 17:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Good move. I was going to ask you about that, and I have a couple other questions whenever you have time (no rush, we're not on a deadline):
  1. Do team members really use both the MP5 and the MP5SD? I don't know the game, but in RL I suspect the latter version is in near-universal use for any tactical team.
  2. The infobox currently states it is a single-player game; should this be changed to reflect the multi-player versions now available?
More questions will probably be forthcoming, I just thought I'd start with a bit of cleanup and clarification. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 17:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  1. In the single player game, there is a choice for each team member of using the M4, the Benelli, the MP5 or the MP5SD. They can be selected freely in the premission loadout screen, and each officer can carry and use only one long weapon at a time.
  2. I suppose it can changed to, say, "single player, with multiplayer mode".
CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for swift response, I know you're preoccupied. I left in MP5, bluelinked MP5SD, and tweaked infobox per your suggestion. I also killed the redlink for "Opti-wand" since there's little chance it will ever have its own article. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 18:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
No problem. I'll go and grab some screens then; one of the loadout screen, and one of multiplayer. Can you think of any more, such as one of the Opti-Wand? I might grab a couple to replace the ones that are already in, they have a lot of JPG artifacts. Oh and by the way, C2 wasn't used in error, it really is C2, a similar but not the same compound to C4. CaptainVindaloo t c e 18:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Oops, I goofed on the C2/C4 thing...good catch. I can't think of any other specific screenshots needed at the mo' but I'm sure your additions will be useful :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 18:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, new images in place. What do you think? CaptainVindaloo t c e 21:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Erm, slight problem here. Can you check Image:Swat 3 0004.jpg? The new version I uploaded doesn't seem to be taking effect, no matter how many times I clear my browser cache, or purge the server cache. In the article, I'm still getting the same old image of two officers pointing guns at a flashbang-dazzled terrorist. On the image page itself, i'm getting the image I uploaded; a view down a staircase, with two terrorists, one in the process of collapsing to the floor. Is the same happening to you? If so, I might try reuploading the image, and if that doesn't work we might need to get an admin or developer involved. CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Wisconsin Sports Network

Thanks for helping me with trying to resolve the dispute over this article. I guess I did get carried away with my part in the bickering. Maybe I've been dealing with "the happiest talk page on Wikipedia!" too long. I really don't mean to come off as a jerk or a loose cannon -- sorry if I'm making you question your previous support of my actions. At least I didn't get reported to AN/I yet, though, right?
Thanks again, and have a good one! -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Omi, the fact that you have as much patience as you do is a source of wonder to me. I never meant to imply that you were on the verge of running amuck; my references on the Talkpage were for the benefit of a newcomer who was obviously getting frustrated. I didn't want to make a comment that would seem like an attack, but I did want to steer him towards some basic wikiquette. If he weren't such an obvious newcomer then comments like "get a life" would merit a more sternly worded reminder about WP:CIV. I actually admire your effort to clean up the article; I hope that Wizzler2 will realize you're helping and start to work with you. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 04:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
You are very kind and yet very insightful, sir. Now, by request, Dinosaur Boy (contribs)! (Also posted on my talk page.) -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 05:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, and Wow! What a great article; I've got it watchlisted now, and I'll be watching it too. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 05:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks / PA State Parks

Thanks for the cookie - I meant to leave a message here yesterday and got caught up in the quotes instead. I will leave a quote when I decide one one to leave. I think we have fairly similar philosophies on red links etc. in Wikipedia. I started on PA State Forests to turn a red link for Tiadaghton State Forest blue (in White Deer Hole Creek). I will work on State Park articles as time permits - I will make a start article for Little Pine State Park as I have a decent picture of the lake there (for the Little Pine Creek article, when I get to it). I think I could use a PA locator map in the PA State Park articles infobox (as opposed to the USA locator map for the state forests). What do you think? I will let you know when I get the Little Pine article semi-done and then would appreciate feedback (what basics need to be in each article). Maybe we can set up a model / style for the rest. I was also thinking of adding all state parks in the Forest District to the State Forest articles (I started doing this on Lackawanna State Forest). Keep up the good work - love your user name. Ruhrfisch 18:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the movement of the Disease argument

Hi, Doc. I think that we're in agreement on this, baring some semantics. The objective of the move was to give those interested in that topic a place to discuss the issue and present their findings, where it wouldn't overwhelm the other discussions about alcoholism. Essentially I entirely split off the disease discussion to its new home. Leaving the elements of that discussion on the Alcoholism page would only serve to encourage the discussion to continue on BOTH places, which would not be good for that discussion OR the alcoholism discussions.

This move is equivalent to archiving the discussion, except that we're archiving it to its own topic where it can grow and flurrish (and maybe produce a decent article) instead of archiving it to a little-referenced sub-talk page off of the existing talk page.

We still need to leave reference to that discussion on the alcoholism page for three reasons. The first is that it'll prevent people from continuing to discuss it on the alcoholism page. The second is that we need it as a pointer to the new page. The third is that the topic of alcoholism isn't really complete without it.

Does that make sense?

I definitely want to thank you for providing your insights to the alcoholism page. You've been of great value in providing alternate viewpoints when we've been at odds. 216.241.42.70 03:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that makes perfect sense to me. Starting a new article was probably the best way to get things moving again, and judging by the Talk:Alcoholism page, there was more than enough material to warrant a seperate article. The last time I checked on Alcoholism itself I thought it was looking a lot better, although as you mentioned, there might be some minor semantic issues. I'd be very interested in seeing the "Mediation Request" removed from the Talkpage since I think that it's ancient history now, but as I wasn't involved originally it wouldn't be appropriate for me to remove it (The Cabal actually assigned a mediator, but as far as I know he never got involved either). Thanks for the compliment; it's been a rare pleasure working with such educated and rational editors! --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 16:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

BarnStar

BTW nice user page. Aeon Insane Ward 04:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

For an outstanding user page, you are presented with the Excellent User Page Award. Nice work! :) Aeon Insane Ward 23:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but I have to confess, I copied the format from Adambiswanger1. Still, that doesn't mean I'm going to give back the Barnstar ("my precious...mine!). Like you, Adam tends to get involved in some very...interesting...discussions :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 15:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

OMG, this is what happens when I edit before my first cup of coffee! I stole the format from you, not Adam. Wow, do I feel silly. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 16:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't wory about it. and as for interesting discussions I was just the advocate (resigned after that one,became a Medation Cabalist) and whound up having to help both sides. LOL should be interresting. Aeon Insane Ward 16:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Interesting...yeah. Why didn't you ask me for something easy, like turning a stub into a Featured Article in one day? Seriously, I'm still reading (just completed a review of UCRG's RfC) but I need to visit some other RfC's so I can learn how to comment intelligently. I really admire your work in the various aspects of WP:DR and, with your permission, I'd like to "follow" your ongoing efforts as a silent watcher. I think I'd like to get more involved in Mediation because it seems like a great service to the community, but I'm not sure I've really got the temperment for it (you've seen that my attempts at humor aren't always appreciated). Anyway, thanks for giving me a pointer to these; with so much to do on WP I'm in little danger of developing a Real Life :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 17:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I may have cause some more trouble with UCRGrad with this but we (everyone) needed an outside view of these. Thanks for taking the timeAeon Insane Ward 20:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The Post is in the right format for the RfC. Aeon Insane Ward 21:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I feel like I just lit a cigar and dropped the match in a barrel marked "Gunpowder". My two major concerns were the formatting (splitting my own comments into two parts), and the tone of the second part which I felt was harsh but accurate. If it's not appropriate for you to comment further, well...I understand. Also, thanks for the positive comments about my own contributions to WP. I do it for my own sake, but it is nice to be noticed :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 21:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is the reason I asked for your input lol. Aeon Insane Ward 21:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


Hey I think

Hey Doc I think you would be a perfect fit for Esperanza. It is a Wikipedia Porject aimed at helping members, sending the message of Hope and reconsing Uses for good deeds. They have a wonderful reach out program for stressed members. Aeon Insane Ward 21:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm aware of Esperanza and hold them in high regard for their stated goals. So far I've refrained from joining any of the groups on WP because I still don't have enough experience, but I have tried (informally) to behave like an Esperanzan and a Mediator (with somewhat mixed success). I really appreciate your support and I will continue to follow your own "career" with...interest :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 21:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
In that case join the Mediation Cabal. Don't need much experiance and it is a low key project. But if do don't want to that is cool to. I just join Esperanza myself and so far like it a lot. Aeon Insane Ward 21:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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