Talk:Koopalings

Cookie vs Kooky

Since the name "Kooky von Koopa" originates from the Super Mario Bros. 3 TV show, which was written *before* Super Mario World, the "Cookie Mountain" origin of the Kooky von Koopa name is impossible. -Unknown

Kooky's accent

I notice a couple of you editing back and forth on this. Rather than a war, can someone find a sound clip of him talking? I can't remember his voice well enough to be sure, all I remember is it sounded Zany, and like a mad scientist. How about we include 'mad scientist' first, then a relation to the german accent. I think there may be some Einstein influence in the cartoon since he wasn't always doing music, but experiments as well, right? Tyciol 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Koopalings vs Koopa Kids

Shouldn't this article be "Koopalings", while Koopa Kid should be for the Mario Party character? - The_T

The Mario Party character is only called that in Mario Party 6 and is in this article under Bowser Junior anyhow. Koopa Kid is more common than Koopaling, I think. Andre (talk) 04:09, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the Mario Party character was first given the name Koopa Kid in Mario Party 4. I don't know offhand if Bowser or the Koopa Kids themselves mentioned it on the boards, but if he wins the unlockable volleyball game, his name is clearly displayed as Koopa Kid. I might also add that he's also playable in Mario Party 5, and you can easily see his name there by winning a game. Again, it says Koopa Kid. Agent CH 21:04:04, 2005-08-13 (UTC)

Koopa Kids is used in the American cartoon rather than Koopalings, but it's also the name of the guys from Mario Party. So, it's easy enough to merge the characters into one article.

Mario Sunshine reference to Bowser as a dad

It's been a long time since I played Mario Sunshine, but wasn't Bowser in the game as a very minor character or referenced in speech? It had something to do with "Dad told me __" or something? If that was true how is this possible credible? -Unknown

Bowser makes an important appearance in this game at the very end. He and Jr. even have a conversation with words (subtitles optional). Bowser says somthing like, "Jr, there's something I need to tell you." "Yeah, I know. Princess Peach isn't really my mamma." Hints are made at a possible reapearance in a future game: "Someday, when I'm bigger," Bowser Jr. says, "I'm gonna fight that Mario again!"

Bowser Jr. in Yoshi's Story and Mario Party

Unless someone can provide an official source stating that the young Bowsers in Yoshi's Story and the Mario Party are definitely not Bowser Jr., it can't be stated outright while retaining NPOV. Andre (talk) 18:29, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

"whereas others believe that this is merely the older Bowser as a child ("Baby Bowser")."

I guess I don't get it. K1Bond007 08:36, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Yoshi's Story is a prequel to Yoshi's Island. Bowser Jr. couldn't possibly be older than Mario.--A Link to the Past 04:31, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

That first assertion isn't necessarily true. Andre (talk) 15:59, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Okay, but my second assertion, I see little reason to believe it false. Different name, the fact that Kamek is never involved with Bowser Jr., and the fact that he's a child in YI, as are Mario and Luigi.--A Link to the Past 20:38, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Bowser Jr. is certainly younger than Mario, yes. But he isn't in YI - that's Baby Bowser, without a doubt. Bowser Jr. is Bowser's son, the one in Sunshine. Andre (talk) 17:54, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

I rewrote it. See if that works. Starting off the section with a "controversy" whether a real one or not isn't good writing IMHO. So if this edit isn't that great, at least rewrite it to start off with whats 100& fact before you get into grey. K1Bond007 01:48, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough, I just clarified the bit about YS. Andre (talk) 20:03, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

The Bowser in Yoshi's Story is definately Baby Bowser, as apposed to Bowser Jr. It actually says on the box "Baby Bowser has taken the Super Happy Tree and cast a spell on Yoshi's world." Can this be edited into the main article, or is there still any ambiguity? Yoshi's Story US Box Art

I changed the info on the Bowser page to point out that it's Baby Bowser in YS, citing that the manual says "Baby Bowser" twice. No one's argued against it. Agent CH 19:35, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Done.

Agreed: thanks. I like it when these little quibbles can be put to rest Kidicarus222 20:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, Bowser Jr. was created by King Bowser Koopa, while the seven Koopalings older than him are biological to Bowser. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Um, Yoshi's Story ain't a prequel to Yoshi's Island. Two inconsistancies: Bowser's more capable of better speech, and Bowser also makes a direct reference to Mario.

Lemmy Koopa's Life

To most fans, Lemmy Koopa had a Star Ball since he was a baby. When he was 1 year old, he only learned to walk on his Star Ball. He did not learn to walk on the ground until he was 7 years old. By the time he turns 9 years old, he will run his shows. He's the crazy clown in the family. He speaks pretty good Japanese, he calls his father Bowser, "Chichi-Oo", which is Japanese for "King Dad" or "King Father". He never ceases to play with his Star Ball. Even though, he wants Princess Peach to be a clown. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Where's the source for this? I don't think we can include this... Tyciol 08:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Considering it says "to most fans" it's obviously fan fiction

Other females besides Wendy O. Koopa

The other females for Wendy O. Koopa are, Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Birdo, and Toadette.

Other females in the Super Mario series you mean? Yes, although Birdo is originally questionable. Furthermore, there's the unnamed mother of Bowser's kids, Toadstools nanny (and all the characters' mothers), the pink Axem Ranger, female Yoshis and Queen Nimbus. Tyciol 08:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Mario Party Koopa Kid

I think the Koopa Kid from Mario Party was named Baby Cohort. I think its something like that. -Nicholas

In the first Party, he was addressed as both Cohort and Baby Bowser. Then in 2 and 3, it was just Baby Bowser, and from 4 on he was called Koopa Kid. Agent CH 19:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Ludwig Theory

I say delete that crap. Ludwig looks nothing like Bowser Jr., and the basis on said therory is poor. -Unknown

Agreed. I think there's a limit to how much speculation one could put on the Wikipedia page. The Ludwig theory is too much. Kidicarus222 20:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hip and Hop mixup

The original writer of this article wrote that Lemmy's name in the cartoons was Hop, and Iggy's was Hip. I fixed all that, as Lemmy is Hip, while Iggy is Hop. Proof of this comes from the SMB3 episode "7 Continents for 7 Koopas". King Koopa cleary orders Hip (Lemmy) to take over North America, and Hop (Iggy) to take over South America. Also, in the SMW episode "A Little Learning", when Hip is with the good guys without Hop, Princess Toadstool clearly refers to him as Hip.

Who is Morton Sr.

Under Morton Jr., I added a sentence about Bowser always having been known only as Koopa in Japan, so it is possible that his given name actually is Morton. This was something of a revelation I had last night in bed. Any comments about the inclusion? -- J44xm 16:02, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

I think it shouldn't go on the Wikipedia. As pure fan speculation, sure, but there's no evidence that Bowser's Japanese name is "Morton Koopa" whatsoever. For all we know, Koopa is his first name is he has no last name. Furthermore, since the Japanese release of SMB3 didn't name the Koopa Kids, I think it's fairly unlikely that Bowser would have been retroactively re-named to suit the American name given t one of his children. Kidicarus222 20:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Whether or not the name Morton was given to Bowser is irrelevant. What is relevant is that he has a son, that son is assumed to be biological and considered his son in status, and that his son's name is Morton, with the Suffix Junoir. Junior implies a senior, and in naming concention this implies that the father shares the name.

No Bowser's father is caller Morton Sr, and named his son after him making him Morton Jr. -Unknown

Total fan theory, Bowser's father has never been mentioned or named. -VederJuda 19:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow! I'm so surprised noone here knows where the "jr." came from. (then again; I always wondered where "Wendy O" came from, but then I'm not a punk fan). It has nothing to do with any "Sr." in the Mario/Nintendo game world; but rather a real life father and son name.

He is obviously a caricature of the late Morton Downey Jr., who had a somewhat popular political talk show on superstation WWOR around the time Super Mario 3 came out! His very logo used on the podiums and in the background in the studio had a large open mouth similar to the one drawn on this Koopaling, and when he would call someone up to the podium, he would say "step up to "the Loudmouth". In fact, Nintendo further hinted at this in the original SMB3 player's guide when instructing you on how to defeat him, you would "...cancel Morton's show for good". And the cartoon name "Big Mouth" played on his trademark as well.

I met him right in Times Sq. during this period, shook his hand, and then my friend, a street evangelist begins preaching at him as he tries to hail a cab; and Morton grabs the mic, and they are going at each other, just like on the show. One of the funniest scenes in my life!

One of the last things you heard about him before he died several years ago, is when he came to the aid of the similarly named Robert Downey Jr. (NO relation!) who was in drug rehab, or soomething like that, IIRC.Eric B 01:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Bowser Jr. Corrections

Bowser Jr.'s scarf in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour is not the same one from Super Mario Sunshine. It's the one with the teeth. I have some proof here, taken from the "Spotlight On: Shadow Characters" video from the official Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour website:

• Putting
• Par dance
• Scarf down
• I'm the one who added all that, and I've never actually played Bowser Jr. in that game. I got so bored I gave up. Thanks for the pics though, I've been looking for some for a while now.

Also, according to the article, it says that Bowser Jr. "only has two small fangs at the top of his mouth", but if you look closely, it's only one, not two. This Mario Superstar Baseball artwork clearly shows this.

• Meh, I've been back and forth on this one. It doesn't help when he's only appeared scarf down in two games and all the official artwork is taken from the right hand side. I assumed his teeth would be symmetrical, unless he lost one. Most of the other koopa kids have two, and I don't see any reason for Junior to be different. I just put it down to the angle. We'll probably never know for sure until Nintendo produce some artwork from the other side. For now I'll go with logic over observation. I'm not trying to be mean, I just wanted to show you the errors you've made, that's all. - NES Boy 21:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Koopalings in MSB?

Where did this stuff about the Koopalings delivering the challenge flyer come from? Agent CH 21:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Another thing to add is Bowser JR is actually Ludwig. The reason they changed his name and appearence is to match Bowser and as if they put 1 Koopa kid in they basically have to put the rest in, so there is only 7 Koopa kids.*

Another fan theory, which is generally believed as false. -- VederJuda 19:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd like to see some confirmation that the Koopalings are in the game. I have a video file of the Superstar Baseball intro, and I don't see the Koopalings anywhere in it. That would be cool if they were in the game, though. - Nintendo Maximus

It's also wrong on the newspaper bit, the challenge was eaither a leaflet (in the intro movie) or a letter (in the begining of the story mode). I'm removing the bit because I haven't seen them either. -- VederJuda 03:41, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Ludwig spelling

The proper spelling of the character's name is Ludwig von Koopa. Although the namesake was Ludwig van Beethoven, the German spelling is used for the Koopa kid.

The V in Von is capitalized.

No, it's not. Play Super Mario World. When Ludwig's name appears after you beat him, it clearly says "Ludwig von Koopa".

Absurd "named after" information

I have access to a very large library of old Nintendo Powers, and have been a longtime follower of these characters, even going so far as having run my own fan website for the past few years for these characters, and I've never heard that Iggy Koopa was named after Iggy Pop or that Wendy O Koopa was named after some lead singer of some ridiculous punk band. Even if true, it's obscure information even for hardcore fans, but I'm willing to bet it's just speculation by fans of those musical artists. In any case, I would like a source, or I'm removing it.

I think the influence of musical names on Koopalings is clear, but I'll see if I can find an official source. The SMB3 localization team had a sense of humor: for example, Boo Diddly (a clear homage to Bo Diddly). Andre (talk) 18:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Larry Koopa is named after larry king? It's all too much. An encyclodedia is a place for known facts, not speculation, even "clear" speculation. But if you can come up with an official source, I'd be all for including it. -Unknown

It was fan speculation, but with names like Ludwig von Koopa (Ludwig van Beethoven), Wendy O. Koopa (Wendy O. Williams), and Morton Koopa Jr. (Morton Downey Jr.), it seemed pretty obvious; even Roy Koopa's name combined with his sunglasses points to Roy Orbison. Of the other three, I think Larry's is the most in doubt, since Larry King is not a musician, even Morton Downey Jr. dabbled in the music biz. I'm thinking he might have been named after Lawrence Gowan (who put out an album called "You can call me Larry", though it came out in '93). --VederJuda 03:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Well, not with the Larry Gowan thing, really, but with I'm fairly certain it's plausible that at least some of the Koopa Kids are fairly obviously named after those celebrities. If having this info in the Koopa Kids' various sections isn't acceptable, then I think a small section merely speculating on this association would be okay. Kidicarus222 03:53, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Even if some of it is attractive speculation, it's still speculation, and there's too much of it passed off as known fact in this article. Even the more famous and perhaps obvious speculations like with Ludwig's name; you just never know for certain because it isn't confirmed information, and thus has no place in an encylopedia entry. For all we know, he was named after any number of "Ludwig vons" in history (just look them all up in wikipedia). Until someone speaks with the NOA employee who named them, I could speculate that he was named after biologist Ludwig von Bertalanffy, and that opinion would be as good as any. As for the other fan speculations: even I as a hardcore fan have never heard of them until I read this article, and each stretch the imagination so far as to be laughable. -sgt_goomba

Another thing that bothers me. In the Larry section, it says: "Larry Koopa is the youngest of the Koopalings. (Although Iggy is called the youngest in the official Super Mario World player's guide.)" That doesn't make sense to me. If Nintendo officialy declared Iggy the youngest in their official players guide, what source exactly trumps that official declaration to make larry the youngest, and why isn't it mentioned here? I'm suggesting that the information stating that larry is the youngest be removed pending a source. And as far as I'm concerned, if Nintendo says iggy is the youngest, then he is. Suggesting we add that information to the Iggy section. -sgt_goomba

The Player's Guide for SMA4: Super Mario Bros. 3 says Larry's the youngest. It says their order of ages, from youngest to oldest, is the order you face them in the game. BTW, when you say the "Super Mario World player's guide", do you mean for the original, or for the remake on the GBA? Agent CH 18:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't seen it. It was already mentioned in the article, which I quoted above. I suggest that when faced with conflicting information, newer information trumps older information, in which case Larry is the youngest if your source is correct. We could mention the conflicting information in the article, but I think it'd be needlessly confusing and awkward. -Unknown

Something to be aware of

There seems to be/have been a small community of big Koopa Kid fans. I'm pretty sure they existed over a small group of web pages, but this seems to have contracted now to one site, www.lemmykoopa.com, where most Koopa Kid fan art/fiction/other stuff ends up. It's still pretty active, as of writing this. Now, the point here is that because so much fan fiction and art was created and viewed by a relatively small number of people who also chatted and possibly RPed, there's now a pseudo-mythos surrounding the whole area.
A perfect example of this is the character Karma Koopa. Spend 10 or 15 minutes on lemmykoopa.com and you'd probably think she's a canon character. More subtle details like ages or even just personality traits are also likely to have undergone this process. Therefore, it's important for anybody editing this article to make sure they know their sources and know that the info that they're posting is true and canon.
--Justdig 19:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Big Mouth and Bully voice mix up

I know that a lot of people that think that Dan Hennessey is the voice of Big Mouth Koopa and that Gordon Masten is the voice of Bully Koopa. Despite what sites like IMDB or TV.com says, that simply is not true. It is a fact that Gordon Masten is the voice of Big Mouth and Dan Hennessey is the voice of Bully.

For the last time.

There is no evidence to indicate any of that "named after" information. The person who came up with that information (Koopa Prince) says on his webpage that he is basically guessing at their names, and doesn't have any solid evidence to back up his guesses.

Voices of Hip and Hop

According to Jeff Lenburg's The Encyclopedia of Animated Cartoons (ISBN 0816038317), Hip was voiced by Stuart Stone, and Hop was voiced by Tara Strong.

Koopa names

Please remove this 'named after' stuff until an official source is named and mentioned.

Unused Koopalings in SPP?

Part of this article mentions "unused sprites" of the Koopalings in Super Princess Peach. Unless there is some proof of these "sprites" (ie, a link to pics and/or article), shouldn't this be removed?

I've seen the sprite sheet for Morton, but I don't remember where. I do agree with you, there should be a link (as a reference) to the location or else it should be dropped. Don't drop it right away, let's give someone a chance to find a link. -- VederJuda 01:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if there are other Koopalings besides the finished Morton sprites in the game, so maybe we can take off the detail that "others will be available as well" since we don't know at this point if the rest are hidden. Anyway, here it is: http://www.mfgg.net/index.php?act=resdb&param=02&c=1&id=2506

Iggy: Inventor of the Koopas' Machinery?

I think it's true that Iggy is an inventor, but I'm not sure what the source is, or if it's even official. Anyone know for sure?

Larry Koopa in Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends

I just got done watching that very episode, and I did not see him anywhere in it. Does someone have a pic to prove he was in it?

"Celebrity inspirations" = URBAN LEGEND

It really ticks me off when the "western celebrities" information is put in. The person who came up with it is a Super Mario fan by the name of koopaprince who once owned a website called Super Mario Brothers Info Station, and is a member of my forum at my website koopatorivm.com, which is another Super Mario Fan website. He made a webpage listing posible inspirations, but he stated on that webpage that he simply had a thought occur to him and he had no evidence for it. In fact, he stated that it was probably NOT TRUE, and he was just listing those possible celebrity inspirations for fun. Please please please do not put in that information. It is a urban legend, and it especially annoys me because I know personally the person who started it. (edit: not that I don't like the person, I do. It's just that it annoys me that so many people assume something is true that I know for a fact is not. This isn't really his fault, because he prefaced his page stating that he was making the whole thing up and it was just a thought.)

How do you "know for a fact" it's not true? Ludwig von Koopa, Wendy O. Koopa, Morton Koopa Jr. (just for example)? Those point directly to Ludwig van Beethoven, Wendy O. Williams, and Morton Downey Jr. respectively. It can't just be coincidence. Agent CH 14:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The difference between fact and coincidence is corroberating evidence. Most of that information is just random speculation from fans, with no supporting evidence. I've already conceded that LVK might represent LVBeethoven, because there is references in comics and such that he enjoys composing symphonies, has crazy hair, etc. And funny you should just mention those examples, and not the other more dubious ones that usually come with them, like lemmy/what'shisface from "motorhead."

Is Lemmy a common name? Or rather, was it at the time SMB3 came out? Agent CH 16:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Lemmy Koopa's Picture

I noticed that Lemmy's picture was gone and we need to restore it. I don't know how though. Coconufred73 21:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Fictional Christians?

I was wondering, why are the Koopa Kids/Koopalings in the fictional christians category?