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'''The Government Botanical Gardens''' at [[Ootacamund]], [[Tamilnadu]] state, [[India]], was laid out in [[1847]]. The Gardens, divided into several sections, cover an area of around 22 hectares, and lie on the lower slopes of the [[Doddabetta]] peak. The garden has a terraced layout. |
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This botanical garden was created by [[John Sullivan (British governor)|John Sullivan]], Collector of the district of [[Coimbatore]] in 1819. The [[Marquis of Tweedale]] prepared the initial layout during late [[1840]]s. |
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== who or whom? == |
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The Gardens have around 1000 [[species]], both [[exotic]] and [[Endemic (ecology)|indigenous]], of [[plant]]s, [[shrub]]s, [[fern]]s, [[tree]]s, and [[herbal]] plants. In the centre of the Gardens lie a [[fossil]]ized tree trunk estimated to be 20 million years old. The Gardens consist of several lawns, ponds with lilies, beds of flowers and ferns laid out in an Italian style, several plots of flowering plants, a variety of medicinal plants. |
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in the phrase "who[/m] is it about?", who[/m] serves as the object of the preposition; therefore it should be whom. why does someone keep changing this? |
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The rose garden situated in Ooty has the largest collection of roses in the country.{{Fact|date=June 2008}} |
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*[http://www.hoollat.com More Info] |
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*[[List of botanical gardens]] |
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*[[Herbalism]] |
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[[Category:Botanical gardens in India]] |
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== this song is about you == |
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The present government Botanic has their origin in 1845 which was established by subscription @ Rs 3/month amongst the European residents for the purpose of supplying vegetables at a reasonable cost. During the time that Ootacamund was under British military control, considerable cultivation of vegetable for the market was carried on by the so - called European settlers and others. Captain Molyneux of 2nd European Regiment managed vegetable cultivation. The site occupied was, so it had been ascertained, the present new garden- a section below the pond. The subscriber received the vegetables free of cost. But this arrangement did not work out and in early 1847; a fund was raised by means of donations and subscriptions with a view to form a horticultural society and a public garden. The Marquis of Tweed dale who was at the time, Governor of Madras took a special interest in the establishment of Garden. In addition to become becoming a regular subscriber to it, contributed a liberal donation of Rs 1000/= . Mr. Bell of the Bombay Civil services and Major Grant, the officer Commanding, Ootacamund appear to have been the moving spirit of the first committee The inferiority of common vegetables than that of England and the almost total absence of fine flowers for the growth of which the climate is so admirably adapted, is also very justly complained of. There were very few horticulturists at that time. Seeds and sapling were not available but there were and are still today beautiful indigenous flowers in the jungles that surround them. To correct this, if possible, it is proposed to establish a public garden. For this purpose, a wood has been selected between Lushington Hall (the Present Hebron School) and General Sewell’s Property (The Present Governor’s House). Shortly after formation of the Society, the Committee preferred a request for state aid for providing a scientific and practical gardener and granting funds to meet his salary. This suggestion was accepted and Mr.W.G.McIvor from Royal Botanical Garden, Kew was sent to Ootacamund, He arrived in March 1848, converted the upper portion which was a forest and the lower portion which was a swamp into a beautiful garden. He took ten years to complete the lay out of the Garden. |
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I can't help but notice that there's an ''e'', an ''a'', and an ''r'' in '''e'''ve'''r'''y m'''a'''n.--[[User:Heathcliff|Heathcliff]] 03:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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*Same with Mick Jagger and Warren Beatty. :p--[[User:Kross|Kross]] 07:00, August 21, 2005 (UTC) |
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:...and James Taylor --[[User:Kross|Kross]] |
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:Don't know this music but was it covered by [[Chimaira]] rather than [[Chimera]]. Have fixed Janet Jackson a link also [[User:Wiki alf|Alf]] 07:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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A conservatory was built on what is now the lawn below Band stand but later on it was removed. The ornamental pond on the terrace below the drive to Raj bhavan in 1867 by McIvor. |
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At that time the Italian Prisoner of War of World War were shifted to India by the British and they were placed under the control of Military station in Ootacamund. They were asked to work in creation of Garden. They were asked to make a garden of their choice. They made this part into Italian Garden – the present name for band stand. |
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As soon as the Band stand was completed, the military officers used have their band played on the ground hence the name. |
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Two canons used by the British army were placed on the Band stand. |
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::I don't think the link belongs on the main page, but [http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2006/2/13moe.html McSweeneys' rebuttal] to "You're so vain" is painfully funny. [[User:TheronJ|TheronJ]] 20:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC) |
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The Band stand or Italian Garden is the most attractive place in the Garden, Most of the annual flowers will be planted in their respective beds in the Band stand. Asters, ageratum, Balsam, begonia, petunia, pansy, phlox, cosmos, zinnia and perennial flowers like salvia, delphinium, larkspur, and dahlia are the main attraction during the season. |
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== "hear-say" == |
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It covers an area of 22 hectares, ascending the slopes on the hill at an elevation of 2400-2500 metres M.S.L.The garden enjoys a warm temperate climate, with an average rainfall of 140 cms most of which is received during south-west monsoon, with frosty nights from November to February. The maximum and minimum temperatures are 28∙C and 0.C respectively. |
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According to word of mouth, Carly Simon invites people to her place in Martha's Vinyard; then she tells a certain group of people who and what the song is about. Before hearing this information, you must sign documents stating you will keep your lips sealed, "or else". A certain person (name not stated), said one clue he could give was, "it is not one person, but a group of people. |
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After hearing this my guess has been '''Re'''public'''a'''ns, which makes sense because the song was written in a democratic pause (Presidant Jimmy Carter)in the middle of a republican reign. |
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The present Botanical Garden – named as Government Botanical Garden, is divided into 5 sections 1) Lower Garden, 2) New Garden, 3) Italian Garden, 4) Conservatory, %0 Fountain Terrace 6) Nurseries |
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--[[Special:Contributions/59.96.25.157|59.96.25.157]] ([[User talk:59.96.25.157|talk]]) 06:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC) |
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1. LOWER GARDEN |
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The song was released in 1972 when Richard Nixon was in office. Carter didn't become President until 1976. |
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The lower garden comprises of the entrance and lower lawns and the new garden. The entrance of the garden leads into an extensive, undulating lush green lawn of Kikiyu grass (Pennisetum Clandestinum) which is unrivalled for its springy vigour by any other grass in the hills. A fern house with 127 species of ferns is situated on the left-hand side along the road leading to Raj Bhavan amidst another expanse of lawns. Historic gate houses remind the glorious past of this garden. |
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The speculation stating the mystery man is Jagger, is completely absurd. He did the back up vocals for the song. Why would Carly Simon make a big deal about something everyone already new?{{unsigned|Iugetanurra}} |
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The prime attractions in this section are the carpet-bet design of the map of the Indian Union laid out with selective plants and the fossil trunk of 20 million years old, erected on a pedestal. The centenary flower festival pillar is being installed to commemorate the famous and historic event. |
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:You'<B>re a</b> liberal idiot. [[User:216.114.251.82|216.114.251.82]] 03:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC) |
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Tree species of botanical interest such as Hymnosporum flavum, Cordylline australlis, Cedrus deodara, Cupressus funebrils, Araucaria bidwillii, Cupressus macrocarpa, Cryptomeria japanic, Eucalyptus maculate, Eucalyputs citriodora, Salix babylonica, Salix heterophylla, Podocarpus taxifolia, Dracena lanuginosa, Pinus patula, Rhododendron arboretum, Quercus Montana, Q.cerris, Q.Serrata, Q.grilffithi, Q.illex, Magnolia grandiflora etc., can be seen along side of the lawn leaving a beautiful open undulating lawn in the centre and mixed borders on the periphery. |
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Over the years she has given 3 letters as clues, letters to many of the speculated names. A friend who was a study in music and a very serious personclaimed it may also refer to GERORGE HARRISON of the beatles. Is there any connection known between the song writer and Harrison? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.27.75.112|65.27.75.112]] ([[User talk:65.27.75.112|talk]]) 08:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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NEW GARDEN |
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Think Dan Lasater. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sharplaw|Sharplaw]] ([[User talk:Sharplaw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sharplaw|contribs]]) 23:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The New garden developed recently, comprises of the are between the front garden and the crescent-shaped pond at the bandstand. This section consists of the following: |
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== Speculation == |
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*Can anyone justify the inclusion of [[Carole King]] as one of the possible subjects of the song? I see no basis for speculating that the song is supposed to have a lesbian interpretation (or that either King or Simon are or were lesbians). By the way, the song was written and became a hit during the (Republican) Nixon administration, several years before Jimmy Carter became president. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] 01:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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I put Daffy Duck in there because Carly Simon has mentioned that cartoon character in many interviews |
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(a) A rose garden with three hundred varieties of hybrid, floribunda and Polyanthus rose varieties. |
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Looking at the history of this page it asks where is there an E and an R in Daffy Duck, well I've seen every Daffy Duck cartoon and five of them Daffy Duck has said his middle initial is '''R''' |
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(b) Large number of flower beds designed to match the slopes and contour of this area. |
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And there's an E in it that if you say Daffy Duck really fast it sounds like Daf-'''e''' |
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Now you still might consider it a load of bull BUT there have been many cases where singers like to play big pranks and this could be one of the cases {{unsigned|203.25.140.101}} |
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(c) Carpet-bed emblems of the Government of TamilNadu and the Government of India. |
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*I believe there have also been cases where anonymous Wikipedia contributors have played pranks and this could be one of them. (No evidence has been provided that Daffy's middle initial is R.) --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] 03:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC) |
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(d) Natural ponds with aquatic plants. |
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It's about Severn Darden. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.53.1.177|67.53.1.177]] ([[User talk:67.53.1.177|talk]]) 02:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Important tree species such as Taxodium mucronatum, Pieris ovalifolia, Juniperus virginiana, Eccalyptus eugenoides, Pinus wallichi, Photinia lindleyana, Pinus canaariensils, Ginkgo biloba, Araucaria cunninghammi and Cupressus lawsoniana sprinkled all over the section add to the panoramic view of the garden. |
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== How To Loose A Guy In 10 Days == |
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THE ITALIAN GARDEN |
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Should we mention anywhere the scene where [[Kate Hudson]] and [[Matthew McConaughey]] sing "You're So Vain"?{{unsigned|67.183.18.130}} |
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The informal landscape garden from the entrance merge imperceptibly into the formal fashioned beds laid out in an Italian pattern, surrounding the centrally situated octagonal bandstand. This part of the garden present always a gorgeous look with several varieties of colourful annuals. In the foreground, is a crescent-shaped lily pond for growing several varieties of aquatic plant species. The tree species grown in this part of the garden are Prunus puddum, Saurauja nepaulensis, Grevillea hilliana, Aesculus punduana, Pinus sabineana, Cupressus torulosa, Syncarpia laurifolia, Pinus longifolia, Albizzia julibrissin etc |
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um ... isn't it a copyright violation to include the lyrics? [[User:Salamurai|Salamurai]] 17:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Yes it is. Removing now. -- [[User:The 80s chick|Annie D]] 09:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== I think she actually did tell someone? == |
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THE CONSERVATORY |
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I think I heard about an auction where she actually told the winner the name, and then he couldn't tell it to anyone? |
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The public conservatory was constructed in 1912 with the object of grouping in an attractive manner, various gorgeously coloured flowering plants, throughout the year. Such colourful annuals and perennials like Cineraria, Schizanthus, Calceolaria, balsam, cyclamen, Gloxinia, tuberous begonia, coleus, geranium, chrysanthemum, primulas, Tydea, Achemenes, etc., find a place in this conservatory. |
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== Illiteracy much? == |
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The bog garden lies towards the east of this conservatory and forms an adjunct to provide a good site for marsh loving plants such as the weeping willow, hedychium, arum, hydrangea etc., |
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Taylor doesn't have an E in it. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.69.3.99|84.69.3.99]] ([[User talk:84.69.3.99|talk]]) 22:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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THE NURSERIES |
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But his first name, James, does, genius. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.239.169.48|128.239.169.48]] ([[User talk:128.239.169.48|talk]]) 00:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Logical== |
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The nurseries which are about 300 feet above the lower lawns, consist of eight glass-houses and a series of terraces for introduction and multiplication of exotic plants. The glass-houses are utilized for growing begonias, fern, cactii and succulents, orchids and bulbous plants for providing a continuous supply of potted plants to be grouped periodically in the conservatories. The terraces are utilised for growing plants for cut flowers, for seed and also for trial purposes. |
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"Despite these guesses and many interviews asking who it was, to this day Carly Simon has never publicly acknowledged in full whom the song is about. She commented in an interview that it was about "many vain men I've known in my life". This may make the line "you're so vain, you probably think this song is about you" more logical than if it were about any specific man." |
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No it doesn't. --[[User:Quoth nevermore|Quoth nevermore]] 15:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:I have removed the sentence. [[User:Sibenordy|Sibenordy]] 06:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Does anybody recall Carly Simon finally admitting, fairly recently (within the past few years), that the song, although vague enough to refer to several different people (most popularly Warren Beatty, I believe), was originally written to/about Alfred Hitchcock? |
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I'm pretty sure it was she who mentioned this rather than speculation by a third party, and that it was a verbal exchange rather than in print, but I haven't any way to confirm it, so it's possible that I'm mistaken. Is anyone else aware of any reputable sources that corroborate this? ''<span style="color:#306">-=( <span style="color:#C06">[[User:Alexis Brooke M|Alexis]] 00:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)<span style="color:#306"> )=-</span>'' |
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FOSSIL TREE TRUNK |
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== Irony and citation == |
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The fossil tree trunk displayed is from 20 million years old rocks. Trees carried by rivers and deposited in inland lakes were transformed with replacement of the woody matter by silica to give rise to fossil tree trunks. |
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Regarding the following: |
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:''Ironically, although the song is critical of a vain man thinking the song is about him, it is still technically ''about'' him.'' |
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This may be true, but it wouldn't be appropriate for an encyclopedia article to assert it editorially. Per this site's [[WP:NOR|no original research]] policy this type of critical analysis would need a citation to a reliable source such as a music review. If you provide a source for that then great; please readd with citation. Respectfully, <font face="Verdana">[[User:Durova|<span style="color:#009">Durova</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Durova|Charge!]]''</sup> 01:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC) |
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The fossil tree was presented by the Geological Survey of India, from the National Fossil Park, Tiruvakkarai, South Arcot distrilct, TamilNadu. |
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== Warren Beatty == |
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I'm not suggesting the article be changed. I just can't resist the observation that since Warren Beatty clearly thinks the song is about him, it's probably about him. [[User:Lexo|Lexo]] ([[User talk:Lexo|talk]]) 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC) |
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*Commet-of the several names mentioned as being inspiration for "YOur So Vain" only Beatty has a [[Nova Scotia]] connection. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.53.145.102|134.53.145.102]] ([[User talk:134.53.145.102|talk]]) 13:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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who or whom?
in the phrase "who[/m] is it about?", who[/m] serves as the object of the preposition; therefore it should be whom. why does someone keep changing this?
this song is about you
I can't help but notice that there's an e, an a, and an r in every man.--Heathcliff 03:53, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Same with Mick Jagger and Warren Beatty. :p--Kross 07:00, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
- ...and James Taylor --Kross
- Don't know this music but was it covered by Chimaira rather than Chimera. Have fixed Janet Jackson a link also Alf 07:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I don't think the link belongs on the main page, but McSweeneys' rebuttal to "You're so vain" is painfully funny. TheronJ 20:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
"hear-say"
According to word of mouth, Carly Simon invites people to her place in Martha's Vinyard; then she tells a certain group of people who and what the song is about. Before hearing this information, you must sign documents stating you will keep your lips sealed, "or else". A certain person (name not stated), said one clue he could give was, "it is not one person, but a group of people.
After hearing this my guess has been Republicans, which makes sense because the song was written in a democratic pause (Presidant Jimmy Carter)in the middle of a republican reign.
The song was released in 1972 when Richard Nixon was in office. Carter didn't become President until 1976.
The speculation stating the mystery man is Jagger, is completely absurd. He did the back up vocals for the song. Why would Carly Simon make a big deal about something everyone already new?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iugetanurra (talk • contribs)
- You're a liberal idiot. 216.114.251.82 03:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Over the years she has given 3 letters as clues, letters to many of the speculated names. A friend who was a study in music and a very serious personclaimed it may also refer to GERORGE HARRISON of the beatles. Is there any connection known between the song writer and Harrison? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.75.112 (talk) 08:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Think Dan Lasater. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharplaw (talk • contribs) 23:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Speculation
- Can anyone justify the inclusion of Carole King as one of the possible subjects of the song? I see no basis for speculating that the song is supposed to have a lesbian interpretation (or that either King or Simon are or were lesbians). By the way, the song was written and became a hit during the (Republican) Nixon administration, several years before Jimmy Carter became president. --Metropolitan90 01:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I put Daffy Duck in there because Carly Simon has mentioned that cartoon character in many interviews
Looking at the history of this page it asks where is there an E and an R in Daffy Duck, well I've seen every Daffy Duck cartoon and five of them Daffy Duck has said his middle initial is R And there's an E in it that if you say Daffy Duck really fast it sounds like Daf-e
Now you still might consider it a load of bull BUT there have been many cases where singers like to play big pranks and this could be one of the cases — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.25.140.101 (talk • contribs)
- I believe there have also been cases where anonymous Wikipedia contributors have played pranks and this could be one of them. (No evidence has been provided that Daffy's middle initial is R.) --Metropolitan90 03:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
It's about Severn Darden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.53.1.177 (talk) 02:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
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Should we mention anywhere the scene where Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey sing "You're So Vain"?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.18.130 (talk • contribs)
Lyrics
um ... isn't it a copyright violation to include the lyrics? Salamurai 17:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yes it is. Removing now. -- Annie D 09:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I think she actually did tell someone?
I think I heard about an auction where she actually told the winner the name, and then he couldn't tell it to anyone?
Illiteracy much?
Taylor doesn't have an E in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.3.99 (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
But his first name, James, does, genius. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.169.48 (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Logical
"Despite these guesses and many interviews asking who it was, to this day Carly Simon has never publicly acknowledged in full whom the song is about. She commented in an interview that it was about "many vain men I've known in my life". This may make the line "you're so vain, you probably think this song is about you" more logical than if it were about any specific man."
No it doesn't. --Quoth nevermore 15:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
- I have removed the sentence. Sibenordy 06:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anybody recall Carly Simon finally admitting, fairly recently (within the past few years), that the song, although vague enough to refer to several different people (most popularly Warren Beatty, I believe), was originally written to/about Alfred Hitchcock?
I'm pretty sure it was she who mentioned this rather than speculation by a third party, and that it was a verbal exchange rather than in print, but I haven't any way to confirm it, so it's possible that I'm mistaken. Is anyone else aware of any reputable sources that corroborate this? -=( Alexis 00:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC) )=-
Irony and citation
Regarding the following:
- Ironically, although the song is critical of a vain man thinking the song is about him, it is still technically about him.
This may be true, but it wouldn't be appropriate for an encyclopedia article to assert it editorially. Per this site's no original research policy this type of critical analysis would need a citation to a reliable source such as a music review. If you provide a source for that then great; please readd with citation. Respectfully, DurovaCharge! 01:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Warren Beatty
I'm not suggesting the article be changed. I just can't resist the observation that since Warren Beatty clearly thinks the song is about him, it's probably about him. Lexo (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
- Commet-of the several names mentioned as being inspiration for "YOur So Vain" only Beatty has a Nova Scotia connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.102 (talk) 13:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)