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== The Hat ==
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=== Ah, but whose hat? ===
This article currently reads like an advertisment for the writer. While she may meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notable authors, the article creators are reminded that Wikipedia is not a free online advertising service. This article should be edited for content and rewritten in a proper neutral and encyclopedic style. [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 23:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: ''(And with a quiet whoosh the hat passes the threshhold of the ring's circumference : ))''

The part about the hat made me think of [[List of James Bond henchmen in Goldfinger#Oddjob|Oddjob]] hurling his hat in ''[[Goldfinger (film)|Goldfinger]]'' and beheading a statue with it. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] ([[User talk:Doczilla|talk]]) 11:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

:I wonder if that would make it a [[C Ring]] (the odds being [[astronomical]], of course), rather than just a [[hole in one]]? Though personally I suppose one could just make an [[existential]] grab for the [[brass ring]] : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 12:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

=== Edit Summary ===
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship&curid=2609425&diff=189938039&oldid=189837175 That] was classy! ''':)''' <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;Chat&nbsp;</font>]] </span></small> 11:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

:I suppose I'm just in a poetic mood : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 12:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

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== Rouge ==
:''[[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/February 2008#Category:Rouge admins|Rouge]]''
That was a tough close... Well done. Someone had to and you are a [[mensch]] for deciding to do it. I expect someone will DRV you, so if someone does and I don't notice, would you please give me a nudge. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 03:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Someone actually suggested that I might want to close that one since I hadn't been involved in the discussion, and I think that person was serious. Oh, yeah, ''that'' would have been a fun way to close my first XfD. [[User:Doczilla|<span style="color:green;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">Doczilla</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Doczilla|RAWR!]]</sub> 17:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree, that was well thought out. Nice job. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 18:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

{{barnstar|align=right|text=For a thorough, detailed closure of a tricky [[WP:XFD|deletion discussion]], and managing to pull the consensus-needle from the haystack, I award Jc37 the original barnstar. Top work! [[User:AGK|'''AGK''']] ([[User:AGK/Contact|contact]]) 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)}}

:What is the general view on admins wheelwarring against category deletions? This is a particularly touchy issue for many I know but the fact that a number of admins have reinserted the category on their pages to effectively recreate it seems to be an issue. DRV might be necessary to get the two discussions happening together and get a consistent view on the situation? [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Rouge admin (3rd nomination)|(other discussion)]] (And yes, I realise that the concept is intended to be humour but it not taken that way by some or many :) ) [[User:Ansell/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Ans<span style="color:#009000;">e</span>ll</span>]] 21:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::See [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]]'s comment in the thread below. Though honestly, it "not being worth the drama" doesn't sound like a "good enough" answer for me. I think that this is something that needs to be dealt with in one way or other. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Just an FYI, but the category has been restored. I have inquired on the restoring admin's talk page as to why. I would highly suggest you ''not'' re-delete the category (although extremely tempting), as to not wheel-war. An AN/I thread can be started up if I don't get a satisfactory response (i.e., any result other than redeletion). [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 06:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

; Just what do you think you're doing? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Category:Rouge_admins]

As long as people refuse to depopulate the category, a [[de facto]] category exists. I recreated nothing! All I did was change the font color. Time to get real.--[[User:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back|The Fat Man Who Never Came Back]] ([[User talk:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back|talk]]) 04:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps you should propose some policy disallowing editors to be in UCFD'd categories. Until then, you can't do much about it other than request they remove it (or remove it yourself, which is likely to cause drama). Currently there is no policy regarding either the removing or the re-adding of deleted user categories to user pages. Personally I'd advocate a bot to patrol every deleted category, and remove the category from all such userpages periodically. Nothing will stop the editors from simply re-adding the category again each time, but at least they will have to work for it. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 05:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::There are quite a few other options/proposals as well. But I wonder: Should we allow the "possibility of drama" to prevent us from doing "[[WP:SOP|what is right]]"? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::FYI, [[Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot to remove deleted user categories from user pages]]. While particularly motivated users will still be able to circumvent the process by adding <nowiki>{{nobots}}</nowiki> to their page, this bot would cut a significant amount of users out of such pages, and would help a lot for initial category emptying. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 07:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Just wondering here, what would it take to get the software changed to not show categories that don't exist? Obviously a check of all wikilinks including categories has to be made to determine if the target exists when displaying any page in order to color the link blue or red, would it be so hard to not show the red ones? Then all you'd need to deal with is recreation which is <s>drama</s> speediable. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 14:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I had a similar idea kbd. Especially considering a recent similar, though decidedly different, discussion concerning "hidden categories". Personally, when thinking even about categories which are redlinked in mainspace, we simply have had too much disruption along those lines. I think it might be a good idea to suggest that '''''all''''' redlinked categories (when not preceeded by a colon) should not show up on a page, nor group said page in a category. One could ''still'' create a category using a coloned redlink, and once the page is created ''then'' allow the category to "appear" and "group" pages. This also adds a touch of technical knowledge requirement that maybe, just possibly, might slow down well meaning but uninformed category creators. This would be, I presume, a simple addition to the software, but make a ''world'' of difference to those who maintain category-space. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 18:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I was thinking the same, and I thought of a possible solution to making the creation of such categories easier. When you go in to the edit window, or perhaps as a warning after you save or preview your edit, there can be some big red notice saying how the category you added doesn't currently exist, and will not show up on the page until it is created, with a link to create the category. I don't know if [[Special:Wantedcategories]] could still function if it were done like this, however, and if it did, we would still have the problem of inappropriate categories showing up there that shouldn't actually be created. Perhaps more users would simply get rid of the category from their userpage if it no longer showed up at the bottom of their page, however. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 21:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Honestly, I think "wantedcategories" should become a thing of the past. Article talk pages (and other more general discussion pages) exist for just such purposes. I don't think requiring someone to understand adding a colon, and creating a page, is establishing too high a learning curve. Categories should be created with thought, not knee-jerk impulse.
:::::::As far as your suggested notice, it might be too server intensive to have it check for categories in an edit every time. I dunno. I'd rather it just be a link to WP:CAT, which would have a more clear explanation ''in context'' of what categories ''are''. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 21:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Actually, it should be easy. Like I said above, it already checks for a category on every edit so it knows what color to make it. You can probably stop the process as well, a la if you forget to put in an edit summary ("Category does not exist, click Save Page again to save" or some such). I agree about the wantedcategories, though. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 21:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:(de-dent) - I just had an idea. (I was thinking about templates which add categories when transcluding.)
:a.) When we hit "see preview", if you scroll down to the "bottom" it actually shows the categories.
:b.) When we edit a page, it shows at the "bottom" what templates are transcluded to the page.
:What if redlinked categories only show '''''then'''''? (a-after "show preview", or b- as a "list" below the template list, or "c" - both)
:That allows for page creation, but won't add them/group in them unless the page is created. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 21:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Works for me. Now we just need a boatload of discussion, consensus, and development. My newborn will probably be in college by the time it's implemented... :) --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 21:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Rofl, you just want another addition to the top of this page : p
:::So how do you think it would be best to get this ball rolling? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 22:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

; A couple things
First, nobody bothered to notify you that your closure of Cat:Rouge Admins is on DRV, so I thought I would tell you. There is also an AN/I thread about it. Second, I was wondering if making pages like [[Wikipedia talk:Rouge admin/Former category talk page|this]] was standard practice. I have never seen anything like it, and personally I would have just deleted (although I don't really see the harm in it). Did you just decide that the page should be preserved and do that, or is there any policy/guideline saying to do that? [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 04:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

::Thank you for the notice. I didn't see it. Though in hindsight I probably should have waited to comment. I was surprised when I re-read what I wrote. I think I was still asleep when I wrote it. I decided not to remove the whole thing, but instead did what we've done to comments at CFD/UCFD - I removed the more problematic text. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I came here to ask you the same thing, since I nominated it for speedy G8 (which was declined). When I asked why it was declined, the admin noted that it had been moved. A check of the edit history revealed that it was ''you'' who moved it, not one of the members of the group flipping off the community again. What is your reasoning behind the move? '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 14:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

::Moving the category talk page to Wikipedia-space as an archive? I did that as a courtesy, since the Wikipedia-space page still existed. To be honest, I think it's rather rare to find a Wikipedian category with a talk page discussion, so it's not something that happens very often. (I helped with something similar for "Admins open to recall".) I hope that clarifies. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== How do you not pull your hair out? ==
:''See more at: [[User_talk:Kbdank71#How_do_you_not_pull_your_hair_out.3F|his talk page]]''

Trying to help clean up over at UCFD, and I have to say, the sheer number of users who appear to be using wikipedia for nothing other than userboxes and user categories (aka WikiMySpace) is staggering. I'm beginning to think the argument "this user category fosters collaboration" is utter bullshit. When some of the members have no edits outside of their own user page, there is no collaborating going on.

And trying to figure out how the stupid category gets populated, when it seems that every user has their own version of the userbox in their userspace, and they're all wrapped in "includeonly" so I have to edit every damn user page to try and find which template feeds the category. It's enough to make me say screw this crap, I'll stick to CFD, where things are relatively normal.

How do you do it? --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 14:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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:Ah, but maybe sticking with the UCFD mess at all is indicative of being nuts in the first place. [[User:Doczilla|<span style="color:green;font-weight:bold;font-size:medium;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;">Doczilla</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Doczilla|<small>STOMP!</small>]]</sub> 05:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

: How do you not strain your muscles? It looks like you performed the ''splits'' forwards and then upside down over at [[WP:UBX]] and its subpages. Actually, I don't even want to know. Here's an aerobatic barnstar. [[Image:Barnstar-goldrun7.png|40px]] –[[User talk:Pomte|Pomte]] 15:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


; Another barnstar
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For all the hard work JC37 does regarding categories, especially in light of all the grief I give him over it, I award thee this piece of tin I just knocked up. Don't bite on it too hard. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 16:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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I couldn't find a category barnstar so I made one. If you can think of a better one, feel free to modify. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 16:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


; Yet another barnstar
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Long overdue for all the fine UCFD work you have been at for years. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 01:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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; When did this become barnstar central?
Seriously, though, congrats, you deserve every one of them. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 16:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure, but I can't put into words how I appreciate them. (I think I tried, not very successfully, on your talk page at one point.) And thank you : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


; Having now had the opportunity to look at all of the user category and userbox guideline pages...
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For clarifying, organizing, and developing [[Wikipedia:User categories|guidance]] on user categories, through lots of little tweaks, some big changes, and countless comments at [[WP:UCFD]], and for helping to bring practical significance to a [[Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User categories|formerly lonely userspace page]]. Thanks, '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 19:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
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== Thanks! ==
--[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 23:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

== 42 ==
wow, I actually didn't even know about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#User:Keilana.2FDeleted_cabals_.28closed.29 this] until today. thank you very much sir! you know what they say (in case you don't its, The only thing worse then being talked about is not being talked about.~Oscar Wilde) I feel famous, I would put a dancing smiley on here if I could, in fact

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== Context ==
The context was actually that they make a display of greater depth, therefore affect, rather than they cause, since it is an art not a science and nothing truly is caused, but it's no big deal. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 23:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

:Edit summaries are too short : )
:What I meant is that they '''''a'''''ffect the perceiver. They '''''e'''''ffect (add) depth into the text.
:But as you said, it's not that important. I'm just a stickler for grammar at times : )
: Feel free to revert if you wish. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::No, you're missing me. I knew what you meant, I'm telling you that I wasn't using the word affect in the context you took it to be used in. They affect (alter to produce) greater depth in the text. You are right that the result is an effect, but the effect is the result of artistic affect. However, I think effect is probably better as many people can miss the many meanings the word affect has. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 00:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Now you've got me second guessing myself : )
:::"alter to produce" would seem to be "to effect", not "to affect". I effect a change, and the target is affected by the change I effected. Or am I missing something?
:::Can you tell I enjoy grammar? : )
:::(As an aside, we really should start edit warring over this... Greater fame and glory awaits us at [[WP:LAME]] : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 00:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:'Scuse me for butting in, but maybe this might help: "Effect" is an action verb, "Affect" is a passive verb. One can ''effect'' a change that will ''affect'' others. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 00:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I presume you mean [[transitive verb|transitive]] and [[intransitive verb|intransitive]]? I thought about that, but "affect" can also be a transitive verb. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Sure, get all technical on me... (big grin) After I posted, I saw that you said essentially the same thing on Hiding's talk page. FWIW, "Affect" can also be a noun as in "Patient's affect was blunted". '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 01:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I still think you guys are coming at this from the wrong angle. I'm talking about the way an artist affects his work, Jc37 is talking about the effect the artistic affect achieves. I don't dispute Jc's usage, I simply dispute him telling me my context is wrong because the context he is reading it as is not the context in which I am using it. The context in this instance is that the text is being affected by the artistic introduction of images, and the work is affecting greater depth. Like I say, it's maybe an arts thing. It certainly seems to be a limited affectation in this discussion. All the best, [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 11:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So. essentially it wasn't the wrong word, it was less-than-clear context? : )
:::::(Ah, the effect of being affected while being affected by the effectiveness of the effect of the affectation of the effector's effective affecting effect. Infective, no? : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 15:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Are you saying I left my readers unaffected? Did I not effect understanding? Sir, I find I stand accused of either ineffectiveness or affectedness! I cannot conclude from your context which to adopt, nor which would effect to affect me more. But, lest my affectations or ineffectual qualities, be they actual effects or affectations, effect change in your affections, let me conclude: Invective?<ref>I'm British, it pains me to use American grammar, but it aids the pun.</ref> No! [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 10:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Damn, you win! I think I should have said ''which would in effect affect me more''. :( [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 10:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:My brain hurts. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 19:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think Jc is right, we should just ream the page until it gets protected in the wrong version and end up at arb-com. Maybe we could even escalate to wheel warring. Do they have a lamest wheel war ever page yet? [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 10:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, there's [[WP:STOCKS]], but I'm sure we could find "something" [[:Category:Wikipedia lamest edit wars|here]] : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 15:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think parts of this (particularly Jc37's parenthetical statement above) need to be added to [[Wikipedia:Talk page highlights]]. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 13:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::::The funny thing is, someone would list it on [[Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Spelling and punctuation]] and we'd edit war it off onto a new [[Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Grammar]], with the argument spiralling out as to whether changing an ''a'' to an ''e'' is a spelling error or a grammatical one. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 10:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::What are you talking about? [[Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Wording]] already exists, why do we need to effectively create ''another'' policy page? [[WP:NOT#BURO]], after all. It's not about spelling anyway, but context. And whether we should effect an effect to affect (or at least infect) the effective context of the effected, affected text due to Hiding's attempt to effect an effective affect upon the reader through his abject subjective directive to inspect his infective invective<ref>I was thinking that this was synonymous with verse, rather than being adverse. Oh, well, it could have been worse</ref>. (Just to put it into perspective.) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::See, I cannot tell if you are affecting disdain in response to pain, pain caused by the effects of something you perceive me to have effected. Or whether instead it is affectation you find in my words, words which contextually differ through the effects of our grammar. A grammar, of course, which is affected, through force, by the effects of events which affected those people who in effect and through affections effected ourselves. I'm finding it hard to discern the judged effects of your words, the way they should affect me; the levels of text are miring me deep, I'm starting to weep at the adjective used to describe what you refer (with invective?) as subjective directive. Recalling this all started with your elective corrective, which I deemed selective, feeling you called me neglective, I think the effects you effected affect and effect more, and judge I was overly sensitive.<ref>In short, after all we have wrought, it all comes to naught, I am indeed caught, I retreat from my fort to say sorry, as I ought and was taught, although admitting no fault. So, an apology, of sorts, for the troubles I brought, and I hope of our affections this is not ''la mort'', but rather ''l'amour'' (to translate, I hope, towards me you are not feeling sore).</ref> [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 19:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Ow ow ow! <ref>Ow!</ref> --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 19:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Oh. My apology if our discussion of morphology (or acrology?) has effected an effect (or rather, effected an affected state), upon your introspective pate, which irrespective of this affectative fate, neither of us (I suspect) did expect to create; and so I would direct this unexpected created state upon your pate to abate before it's too late. But if this affliction (this affectation) does not effect its resignation from affecting your psychology, I might direct your efforts to cephalology or even to phrenology.<ref>Solutions may not always be detected when physiology is not directly effected.</ref>

::::::::Irrespective of this perspective, I regret that I may elect to dejectedly reject this suspect subject of the project, perplective and affectedly introspective of the subjective directive, and to effect a circumspective, though reflective, directive of my perspective. This effect (or affectation) is not reflective upon the affect of Hiding's interjection, but rather an effect of this subject's permutation. So with great affect (and hopefully, '''e'''ffect), ''I'' interject: Salutation! : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 13:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

That was amazing. [[User:Player 03|Player 03]] ([[User talk:Player 03|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

===Footnotes===
{{Reflist}}

== [[User:Brian Boru is awesome]] ==
He's still moving pages to nonsensical titles (see [[Guardian (Marvel Comics)]]). Could you see that this doesn't happen again? He's been told to discuss such controversial moves, yet does not do so. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 21:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:2¢...
:BBiA has received recent warnings on this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brian_Boru_is_awesome&diff=prev&oldid=207500284#Warning April 22] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Brian_Boru_is_awesome&diff=209554964&oldid=208134371#May_2008 May 1]. He deleted these from his user's talk after receiving the level 3 from Sesshomaru.
:And I've just added a level 4 due to his actions of moving Guardian in the face of someone raising objection.
:- [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've reviewed his contributions as requested, and quite a few additional talk pages. Please see his talk page for more information. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 04:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Asking if you could look into con't edits by BBiA. User has been unmerging or unredirecting pages without providing further rationale. In the case of [[Alternate versions of Megaton Man]], the user has unmerged the page twice, although the page had been tag and on the notice board for 4 months with no contention. Additionally, he has unmerged [[Vavavoom]] (merged over prod) over a month ago, [[Tutinax]] (merged over prod over a month ago, and [[Kleinstocks]] (redirected over merge) over 1 month ago, all without providing rationale for his edits despite invitations in the comments. At the least, it appears to be a soft evasion of the page moving block. Any follow-up would be apprecitated. -[[Special:Contributions/66.109.248.114|66.109.248.114]] ([[User talk:66.109.248.114|talk]]) 00:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC).
:Just 2¢ on Kleinstocks... The redirect was done within 24 hours of the article being PRODed. By all rights it should have gotten the normal 5 days first. As annoying as it is, we should be waiting until it's run 5 days from when the error was noticed (the 8th, Thursday). - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 00:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:Addendum: Vavavoom and Tutinax are in the same shape: redirected less than 24 hours after the PROD. - [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::Quick question in regards to protocol. Would the redirect be considered a removal of the PROD? -[[Special:Contributions/66.109.248.114|66.109.248.114]] ([[User talk:66.109.248.114|talk]]) 00:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC).
:::I've always interpreted it that way, and you kill two birds with one stone; removes the PROD, and neutralizes an article with some issues that can be later corrected if correctable. [[Special:Contributions/204.153.84.10|204.153.84.10]] ([[User talk:204.153.84.10|talk]]) 14:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Template:Batman ==
*[[Template:Batman]]
I appreciate you putting protection on it. I imagine it can be lifted soon enough, but I agree this week has seen a swarm of odd additions. No need to reply, just wanted to say thanks :) -[[User:Markeer|Markeer]] 02:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

==Lady Aleena's RfA==
; Belated thankspam with apologies
{|
|[[Image:WikiThanks.png]]
|'''Jc37'''...I am so ashamed that I missed you when saying thank you to all of the others after [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lady Aleena|my request for adminship]] closed. I was trying so hard to not miss anyone, that I did. Of all the people to miss, how could I have missed you? I think that I will have to rate this my worst gaff in my Wikipedia history. You took so much time participating in my RfA that you should have been at the top of the list. I know that it is a little to late, but thank you for participating. I know that we do not usually see eye to eye on almost everything, but there has been nothing but good between us communicatively, until now. Could you please think of this as the valentine card that slipped out of the pile for which I have been fervently looking and have now found at the bottom of my book bag? - [[User:Lady Aleena|LA]] @ 06:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
|[[Image:Userbox-single.svg|43px]]
|}

; Lady Aleena's future
{|
|[[Image:Crystal Clear app reminders.png|75px]]
|'''Jc37'''...Several people have expressed an interest in my next probable nomination for adminship. Messaging people when it happens would look a lot like canvassing, so I would prefer not doing that. If you are interested in it, you could add [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lady Aleena 2|this]] to your watchlist. If it is created, you will know, maybe even before I do depending on how often you check your watchlist. If you wish to gush prior to it being officially up, have fun, but only when it happens please. I am in no particular rush. Have a very nice day! :) - [[User:Lady Aleena|LA]] @ 10:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
|}

== Barnstar! ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADlohcierekim&diff=210953445&oldid=210435195 thanks]. that brought tears to my eyes. thanks again. [[User:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#009500"> Dloh</font>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#950095">cierekim''' </font>]] 03:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

== My RfA ==
Hi Jc37;
I wanted to say thank you for supporting [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/PeterSymonds|my request for adminship]], which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, [[User:PeterSymonds|PeterSymonds]] | [[User talk:PeterSymonds|<small>talk</small>]] 22:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Comicsproj Talk Page ==
Saw your post. Duelly noted, may deepest apologies. Just trying to move the noticeboard along. Perhaps an example could be provide in the archiving section for future ambitious editors. Again, apologies. -[[Special:Contributions/66.109.248.114|66.109.248.114]] ([[User talk:66.109.248.114|talk]]) 01:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC).

== RFA Thanks ==
Thanks for your participation at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Risker|my recent Request for adminship]]. Thanks, in particular, for taking the time to ask a few questions, and then providing thorough feedback on my responses. I’ll keep your concerns in mind as I continue to work within the project. I hope you find I live up to your expectations of administrators. Best, [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 16:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

==Batman Villain==
*[[List of Batman enemies]]
Saw you redid the page, I thought it was a great change for the better, no response necessary, just wanted to expressed my appreciation. -[[Special:Contributions/66.109.248.114|66.109.248.114]] ([[User talk:66.109.248.114|talk]]) 21:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC).

== Welcome back! ==
Glad to see your problems seem to have been resolved. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 19:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:Indeed, welcome back. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] ([[User talk:VegaDark|talk]]) 06:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

==Quick TY==
Thanks for the review, your input is always appreciated. -[[Special:Contributions/66.109.248.114|66.109.248.114]] ([[User talk:66.109.248.114|talk]]) 05:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC).

== Thanks ==
Thanks, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greater_Crested_Tern&diff=225213146&oldid=225198751 that] was fun! [[User:RichardF|RichardF]] ([[User talk:RichardF|talk]]) 14:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ==
Hello Jc37. Thank you for your kind reply. Regards, [[User:Masterpiece2000|<font color="green">Masterpiece2000</font>]] ([[User talk:Masterpiece2000|<font color="green">talk</font>]]) 02:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

== Gut a random, horrid thought about the Batman stuff... ==

We may want to be watching "[[Batman]]", "[[Dick Grayson]]", "[[Batman R.I.P.]]", and [[Template:Batman|the template]] a bit harder for the next few months. [[Rich Johnston#Lying in the Gutters|LitG]] ran a bit that may or may not have legs about the net result of "R.I.P" but I foresee a lot of "helpful" edits and teeth grinding.

- [[User:J Greb|J Greb]] ([[User talk:J Greb|talk]]) 23:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[bugzilla:14793]] ==

Your bug was fixed and resolved a few minutes ago. :-) Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 06:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== Oh, wrong queue ==
That has to be one of the better ones I have seen. You had me laughing out loud : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 12:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

; Yes, I am still hitting the wrong queue...

Thanks for the happy note! Sooner or later, I'll find the right queue. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 12:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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[[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small>
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== Thanks ==
Thanks for helping me about on the help desk. -- <sub>[[User:Escape Artist Swyer|Escape Artist Swyer]]</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Escape Artist Swyer|Talk to me]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Escape Artist Swyer|The mess I've made]]</sub> 15:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Short and to the point ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2008_September_2&diff=235804566&oldid=235724977 This] exchange made me smile. :) –'''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 01:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== CFDW listing format ==
Hi, I'm sending this message to regular users of [[WP:CFDW]]. Now that I've [[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Cydebot 4|rewritten Cydebot in Python]], the door is open to make all sorts of changes to the listing format. Join the discussion [[Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Working#Date subheadings|here]]. I'd love to hear some comments from the most frequent users of CFDW on how best to improve it for humans. --[[User:Cyde|<font color="#ff66ff">'''Cyde Weys'''</font>]] 03:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== RE: Archive help ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive458#CameronPG_.28talk_.C2.B7_contribs_.C2.B7_deleted_contribs_.C2.B7_logs_.C2.B7_block_user_.C2.B7_block_log.29 link you were looking for]. Sorry it took so long. I've been very busy the past few weeks and haven't had time to do archive searches. '''[[User:Enigmaman|<font color="blue">Enigma</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:Enigmaman|<b><sup>message</sup></b>]]'' 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:16, 11 October 2008

CAT
   Motion
Memorable comments from discussions I've been in:
  • I flipped a three-sided coin, it came up "no consensus". --Kbdank71 (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2006 (From a talk page discussion)
  • Outline my position, which is actually built on a big pile of marbles in a game of kerplunk and the straws are slowly being pulled - Hiding (talk) 08:49, 17 November 2006 (From an edit summary)
  • While the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may be useful for other XfD discussions, it isn't as useful for CfD, due to a commonality of consistancy due to prior consensus. The guideline WP:OCAT is an excellent example of this. And the same seems true for WP:ALLORNOTHING. - jc37 17:12, 9 April 2007
    Due to a what of what due to what? Please rephrase for us simple folk. Picaroon 01:23, 12 April 2007 (From a WP:DRV discussion.)
  • I think I was more involved with the fiction MOS when it was started than I am now, I have kind of given up on those sort of pages, no sooner do you get it all straight, have a few drinks to celebrate, put the chairs on the table and start mopping up than a whole new crowd walks in ready to get it all straight again. - Hiding 21:03, 2 November 2007 (from a talk page discussion)
  • But in my experience, every talk page of XfD closers seems to be filled with vehemence about disagreement of a closure. Nice to know that you've managed to (mostly) somehow avoid that. ("somehow" - you'll have to loan me your special medallion sometime : ) - jc37 00:11, 6 March 2008
    It's a medallion of troll-protection +4. I looted it from a [contentious] AfD along with a masterwork ban-hammer +1, a mop of template sweeping, and 103 gold pieces. IronGargoyle (talk) 05:39, 7 March 2008
  • Enjoy reading this text in context : ) (From a talk page discussion starting on 23:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC))

User:Jc37/NavBar

The Hat

Ah, but whose hat?

Re: (And with a quiet whoosh the hat passes the threshhold of the ring's circumference : ))

The part about the hat made me think of Oddjob hurling his hat in Goldfinger and beheading a statue with it. Doczilla (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if that would make it a C Ring (the odds being astronomical, of course), rather than just a hole in one? Though personally I suppose one could just make an existential grab for the brass ring : ) - jc37 12:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Summary

That was classy! :) Pedro :  Chat  11:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose I'm just in a poetic mood : ) - jc37 12:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doczilla's RfA

File:Godzilla(01)reverse.jpg
Thanks for !voting!

Thank you for !voting in my RfA which resulted in the collapse of civilization with 92 (94?) support, 1 oppose, and 1 neutral.
Blame jc37 and Hiding for nominating me, everyone who had questions or comments, everyone who !voted, everyone who tallied the numbers correctly, and WJBScribe who closed
without shouting, "No mop for you!"

Seriously, your response has overwhelmed me.
I am deeply grateful.

jc37
Thank you for casting the ?th vote (the nom, a.k.a. co-nom with strong support even though you initiated the nomination) in my RfA. While I never was sure I wanted adminship, I was always gratified that someone wanted me for it.


Rouge

Rouge

That was a tough close... Well done. Someone had to and you are a mensch for deciding to do it. I expect someone will DRV you, so if someone does and I don't notice, would you please give me a nudge. ++Lar: t/c 03:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone actually suggested that I might want to close that one since I hadn't been involved in the discussion, and I think that person was serious. Oh, yeah, that would have been a fun way to close my first XfD. Doczilla RAWR! 17:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, that was well thought out. Nice job. --Kbdank71 18:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For a thorough, detailed closure of a tricky deletion discussion, and managing to pull the consensus-needle from the haystack, I award Jc37 the original barnstar. Top work! AGK (contact) 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is the general view on admins wheelwarring against category deletions? This is a particularly touchy issue for many I know but the fact that a number of admins have reinserted the category on their pages to effectively recreate it seems to be an issue. DRV might be necessary to get the two discussions happening together and get a consistent view on the situation? (other discussion) (And yes, I realise that the concept is intended to be humour but it not taken that way by some or many :) ) Ansell 21:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
See VegaDark's comment in the thread below. Though honestly, it "not being worth the drama" doesn't sound like a "good enough" answer for me. I think that this is something that needs to be dealt with in one way or other. - jc37 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just an FYI, but the category has been restored. I have inquired on the restoring admin's talk page as to why. I would highly suggest you not re-delete the category (although extremely tempting), as to not wheel-war. An AN/I thread can be started up if I don't get a satisfactory response (i.e., any result other than redeletion). VegaDark (talk) 06:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just what do you think you're doing? [1]

As long as people refuse to depopulate the category, a de facto category exists. I recreated nothing! All I did was change the font color. Time to get real.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 04:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you should propose some policy disallowing editors to be in UCFD'd categories. Until then, you can't do much about it other than request they remove it (or remove it yourself, which is likely to cause drama). Currently there is no policy regarding either the removing or the re-adding of deleted user categories to user pages. Personally I'd advocate a bot to patrol every deleted category, and remove the category from all such userpages periodically. Nothing will stop the editors from simply re-adding the category again each time, but at least they will have to work for it. VegaDark (talk) 05:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are quite a few other options/proposals as well. But I wonder: Should we allow the "possibility of drama" to prevent us from doing "what is right"? - jc37 02:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, Wikipedia:Bot requests#Bot to remove deleted user categories from user pages. While particularly motivated users will still be able to circumvent the process by adding {{nobots}} to their page, this bot would cut a significant amount of users out of such pages, and would help a lot for initial category emptying. VegaDark (talk) 07:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just wondering here, what would it take to get the software changed to not show categories that don't exist? Obviously a check of all wikilinks including categories has to be made to determine if the target exists when displaying any page in order to color the link blue or red, would it be so hard to not show the red ones? Then all you'd need to deal with is recreation which is drama speediable. --Kbdank71 14:59, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had a similar idea kbd. Especially considering a recent similar, though decidedly different, discussion concerning "hidden categories". Personally, when thinking even about categories which are redlinked in mainspace, we simply have had too much disruption along those lines. I think it might be a good idea to suggest that all redlinked categories (when not preceeded by a colon) should not show up on a page, nor group said page in a category. One could still create a category using a coloned redlink, and once the page is created then allow the category to "appear" and "group" pages. This also adds a touch of technical knowledge requirement that maybe, just possibly, might slow down well meaning but uninformed category creators. This would be, I presume, a simple addition to the software, but make a world of difference to those who maintain category-space. - jc37 18:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking the same, and I thought of a possible solution to making the creation of such categories easier. When you go in to the edit window, or perhaps as a warning after you save or preview your edit, there can be some big red notice saying how the category you added doesn't currently exist, and will not show up on the page until it is created, with a link to create the category. I don't know if Special:Wantedcategories could still function if it were done like this, however, and if it did, we would still have the problem of inappropriate categories showing up there that shouldn't actually be created. Perhaps more users would simply get rid of the category from their userpage if it no longer showed up at the bottom of their page, however. VegaDark (talk) 21:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think "wantedcategories" should become a thing of the past. Article talk pages (and other more general discussion pages) exist for just such purposes. I don't think requiring someone to understand adding a colon, and creating a page, is establishing too high a learning curve. Categories should be created with thought, not knee-jerk impulse.
As far as your suggested notice, it might be too server intensive to have it check for categories in an edit every time. I dunno. I'd rather it just be a link to WP:CAT, which would have a more clear explanation in context of what categories are. - jc37 21:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it should be easy. Like I said above, it already checks for a category on every edit so it knows what color to make it. You can probably stop the process as well, a la if you forget to put in an edit summary ("Category does not exist, click Save Page again to save" or some such). I agree about the wantedcategories, though. --Kbdank71 21:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(de-dent) - I just had an idea. (I was thinking about templates which add categories when transcluding.)
a.) When we hit "see preview", if you scroll down to the "bottom" it actually shows the categories.
b.) When we edit a page, it shows at the "bottom" what templates are transcluded to the page.
What if redlinked categories only show then? (a-after "show preview", or b- as a "list" below the template list, or "c" - both)
That allows for page creation, but won't add them/group in them unless the page is created. - jc37 21:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. Now we just need a boatload of discussion, consensus, and development. My newborn will probably be in college by the time it's implemented...  :) --Kbdank71 21:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rofl, you just want another addition to the top of this page : p
So how do you think it would be best to get this ball rolling? - jc37 22:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A couple things

First, nobody bothered to notify you that your closure of Cat:Rouge Admins is on DRV, so I thought I would tell you. There is also an AN/I thread about it. Second, I was wondering if making pages like this was standard practice. I have never seen anything like it, and personally I would have just deleted (although I don't really see the harm in it). Did you just decide that the page should be preserved and do that, or is there any policy/guideline saying to do that? VegaDark (talk) 04:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notice. I didn't see it. Though in hindsight I probably should have waited to comment. I was surprised when I re-read what I wrote. I think I was still asleep when I wrote it. I decided not to remove the whole thing, but instead did what we've done to comments at CFD/UCFD - I removed the more problematic text. - jc37 00:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I came here to ask you the same thing, since I nominated it for speedy G8 (which was declined). When I asked why it was declined, the admin noted that it had been moved. A check of the edit history revealed that it was you who moved it, not one of the members of the group flipping off the community again. What is your reasoning behind the move? Horologium (talk) 14:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the category talk page to Wikipedia-space as an archive? I did that as a courtesy, since the Wikipedia-space page still existed. To be honest, I think it's rather rare to find a Wikipedian category with a talk page discussion, so it's not something that happens very often. (I helped with something similar for "Admins open to recall".) I hope that clarifies. - jc37 00:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do you not pull your hair out?

See more at: his talk page

Trying to help clean up over at UCFD, and I have to say, the sheer number of users who appear to be using wikipedia for nothing other than userboxes and user categories (aka WikiMySpace) is staggering. I'm beginning to think the argument "this user category fosters collaboration" is utter bullshit. When some of the members have no edits outside of their own user page, there is no collaborating going on.

And trying to figure out how the stupid category gets populated, when it seems that every user has their own version of the userbox in their userspace, and they're all wrapped in "includeonly" so I have to edit every damn user page to try and find which template feeds the category. It's enough to make me say screw this crap, I'll stick to CFD, where things are relatively normal.

How do you do it? --Kbdank71 14:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Working Man's Barnstar
for not going completely nuts at UCFD. Kbdank71 14:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, but maybe sticking with the UCFD mess at all is indicative of being nuts in the first place. Doczilla STOMP! 05:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How do you not strain your muscles? It looks like you performed the splits forwards and then upside down over at WP:UBX and its subpages. Actually, I don't even want to know. Here's an aerobatic barnstar. Pomte 15:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Another barnstar
The Categorisation Barnstar
For all the hard work JC37 does regarding categories, especially in light of all the grief I give him over it, I award thee this piece of tin I just knocked up. Don't bite on it too hard. Hiding T 16:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find a category barnstar so I made one. If you can think of a better one, feel free to modify. Hiding T 16:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Yet another barnstar
The Original Barnstar
Long overdue for all the fine UCFD work you have been at for years. VegaDark (talk) 01:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


When did this become barnstar central?

Seriously, though, congrats, you deserve every one of them. --Kbdank71 16:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure, but I can't put into words how I appreciate them. (I think I tried, not very successfully, on your talk page at one point.) And thank you : ) - jc37 19:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Having now had the opportunity to look at all of the user category and userbox guideline pages...
The Barnstar of Diligence
For clarifying, organizing, and developing guidance on user categories, through lots of little tweaks, some big changes, and countless comments at WP:UCFD, and for helping to bring practical significance to a formerly lonely userspace page. Thanks, Black Falcon (Talk) 19:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

--Kbdank71 23:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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wow, I actually didn't even know about this until today. thank you very much sir! you know what they say (in case you don't its, The only thing worse then being talked about is not being talked about.~Oscar Wilde) I feel famous, I would put a dancing smiley on here if I could, in fact

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
for making me feel like I'm part of the cast of Cheers Pewwer42  Talk  02:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Context

The context was actually that they make a display of greater depth, therefore affect, rather than they cause, since it is an art not a science and nothing truly is caused, but it's no big deal. Hiding T 23:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries are too short : )
What I meant is that they affect the perceiver. They effect (add) depth into the text.
But as you said, it's not that important. I'm just a stickler for grammar at times : )
Feel free to revert if you wish. - jc37 00:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're missing me. I knew what you meant, I'm telling you that I wasn't using the word affect in the context you took it to be used in. They affect (alter to produce) greater depth in the text. You are right that the result is an effect, but the effect is the result of artistic affect. However, I think effect is probably better as many people can miss the many meanings the word affect has. Hiding T 00:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now you've got me second guessing myself : )
"alter to produce" would seem to be "to effect", not "to affect". I effect a change, and the target is affected by the change I effected. Or am I missing something?
Can you tell I enjoy grammar? : )
(As an aside, we really should start edit warring over this... Greater fame and glory awaits us at WP:LAME : ) - jc37 00:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
'Scuse me for butting in, but maybe this might help: "Effect" is an action verb, "Affect" is a passive verb. One can effect a change that will affect others. Horologium (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I presume you mean transitive and intransitive? I thought about that, but "affect" can also be a transitive verb. - jc37 01:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, get all technical on me... (big grin) After I posted, I saw that you said essentially the same thing on Hiding's talk page. FWIW, "Affect" can also be a noun as in "Patient's affect was blunted". Horologium (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I still think you guys are coming at this from the wrong angle. I'm talking about the way an artist affects his work, Jc37 is talking about the effect the artistic affect achieves. I don't dispute Jc's usage, I simply dispute him telling me my context is wrong because the context he is reading it as is not the context in which I am using it. The context in this instance is that the text is being affected by the artistic introduction of images, and the work is affecting greater depth. Like I say, it's maybe an arts thing. It certainly seems to be a limited affectation in this discussion. All the best, Hiding T 11:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So. essentially it wasn't the wrong word, it was less-than-clear context? : )
(Ah, the effect of being affected while being affected by the effectiveness of the effect of the affectation of the effector's effective affecting effect. Infective, no? : ) - jc37 15:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying I left my readers unaffected? Did I not effect understanding? Sir, I find I stand accused of either ineffectiveness or affectedness! I cannot conclude from your context which to adopt, nor which would effect to affect me more. But, lest my affectations or ineffectual qualities, be they actual effects or affectations, effect change in your affections, let me conclude: Invective?[1] No! Hiding T 10:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, you win! I think I should have said which would in effect affect me more. :( Hiding T 10:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My brain hurts. --Kbdank71 19:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think Jc is right, we should just ream the page until it gets protected in the wrong version and end up at arb-com. Maybe we could even escalate to wheel warring. Do they have a lamest wheel war ever page yet? Hiding T 10:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's WP:STOCKS, but I'm sure we could find "something" here : ) - jc37 15:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think parts of this (particularly Jc37's parenthetical statement above) need to be added to Wikipedia:Talk page highlights. Horologium (talk) 13:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The funny thing is, someone would list it on Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Spelling and punctuation and we'd edit war it off onto a new Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Grammar, with the argument spiralling out as to whether changing an a to an e is a spelling error or a grammatical one. Hiding T 10:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars/Wording already exists, why do we need to effectively create another policy page? WP:NOT#BURO, after all. It's not about spelling anyway, but context. And whether we should effect an effect to affect (or at least infect) the effective context of the effected, affected text due to Hiding's attempt to effect an effective affect upon the reader through his abject subjective directive to inspect his infective invective[2]. (Just to put it into perspective.) - jc37 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See, I cannot tell if you are affecting disdain in response to pain, pain caused by the effects of something you perceive me to have effected. Or whether instead it is affectation you find in my words, words which contextually differ through the effects of our grammar. A grammar, of course, which is affected, through force, by the effects of events which affected those people who in effect and through affections effected ourselves. I'm finding it hard to discern the judged effects of your words, the way they should affect me; the levels of text are miring me deep, I'm starting to weep at the adjective used to describe what you refer (with invective?) as subjective directive. Recalling this all started with your elective corrective, which I deemed selective, feeling you called me neglective, I think the effects you effected affect and effect more, and judge I was overly sensitive.[3] Hiding T 19:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ow ow ow! [4] --Kbdank71 19:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. My apology if our discussion of morphology (or acrology?) has effected an effect (or rather, effected an affected state), upon your introspective pate, which irrespective of this affectative fate, neither of us (I suspect) did expect to create; and so I would direct this unexpected created state upon your pate to abate before it's too late. But if this affliction (this affectation) does not effect its resignation from affecting your psychology, I might direct your efforts to cephalology or even to phrenology.[5]
Irrespective of this perspective, I regret that I may elect to dejectedly reject this suspect subject of the project, perplective and affectedly introspective of the subjective directive, and to effect a circumspective, though reflective, directive of my perspective. This effect (or affectation) is not reflective upon the affect of Hiding's interjection, but rather an effect of this subject's permutation. So with great affect (and hopefully, effect), I interject: Salutation! : ) - jc37 13:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was amazing. Player 03 (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

  1. ^ I'm British, it pains me to use American grammar, but it aids the pun.
  2. ^ I was thinking that this was synonymous with verse, rather than being adverse. Oh, well, it could have been worse
  3. ^ In short, after all we have wrought, it all comes to naught, I am indeed caught, I retreat from my fort to say sorry, as I ought and was taught, although admitting no fault. So, an apology, of sorts, for the troubles I brought, and I hope of our affections this is not la mort, but rather l'amour (to translate, I hope, towards me you are not feeling sore).
  4. ^ Ow!
  5. ^ Solutions may not always be detected when physiology is not directly effected.

He's still moving pages to nonsensical titles (see Guardian (Marvel Comics)). Could you see that this doesn't happen again? He's been told to discuss such controversial moves, yet does not do so. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 21:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2¢...
BBiA has received recent warnings on this: April 22 and May 1. He deleted these from his user's talk after receiving the level 3 from Sesshomaru.
And I've just added a level 4 due to his actions of moving Guardian in the face of someone raising objection.
- J Greb (talk) 23:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've reviewed his contributions as requested, and quite a few additional talk pages. Please see his talk page for more information. - jc37 04:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Asking if you could look into con't edits by BBiA. User has been unmerging or unredirecting pages without providing further rationale. In the case of Alternate versions of Megaton Man, the user has unmerged the page twice, although the page had been tag and on the notice board for 4 months with no contention. Additionally, he has unmerged Vavavoom (merged over prod) over a month ago, Tutinax (merged over prod over a month ago, and Kleinstocks (redirected over merge) over 1 month ago, all without providing rationale for his edits despite invitations in the comments. At the least, it appears to be a soft evasion of the page moving block. Any follow-up would be apprecitated. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 00:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Just 2¢ on Kleinstocks... The redirect was done within 24 hours of the article being PRODed. By all rights it should have gotten the normal 5 days first. As annoying as it is, we should be waiting until it's run 5 days from when the error was noticed (the 8th, Thursday). - J Greb (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: Vavavoom and Tutinax are in the same shape: redirected less than 24 hours after the PROD. - J Greb (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Quick question in regards to protocol. Would the redirect be considered a removal of the PROD? -66.109.248.114 (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]
I've always interpreted it that way, and you kill two birds with one stone; removes the PROD, and neutralizes an article with some issues that can be later corrected if correctable. 204.153.84.10 (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Batman

I appreciate you putting protection on it. I imagine it can be lifted soon enough, but I agree this week has seen a swarm of odd additions. No need to reply, just wanted to say thanks :) -Markeer 02:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Aleena's RfA

Belated thankspam with apologies
Jc37...I am so ashamed that I missed you when saying thank you to all of the others after my request for adminship closed. I was trying so hard to not miss anyone, that I did. Of all the people to miss, how could I have missed you? I think that I will have to rate this my worst gaff in my Wikipedia history. You took so much time participating in my RfA that you should have been at the top of the list. I know that it is a little to late, but thank you for participating. I know that we do not usually see eye to eye on almost everything, but there has been nothing but good between us communicatively, until now. Could you please think of this as the valentine card that slipped out of the pile for which I have been fervently looking and have now found at the bottom of my book bag? - LA @ 06:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lady Aleena's future
Jc37...Several people have expressed an interest in my next probable nomination for adminship. Messaging people when it happens would look a lot like canvassing, so I would prefer not doing that. If you are interested in it, you could add this to your watchlist. If it is created, you will know, maybe even before I do depending on how often you check your watchlist. If you wish to gush prior to it being officially up, have fun, but only when it happens please. I am in no particular rush. Have a very nice day! :) - LA @ 10:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar!

thanks. that brought tears to my eyes. thanks again. Dlohcierekim 03:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Hi Jc37; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comicsproj Talk Page

Saw your post. Duelly noted, may deepest apologies. Just trying to move the noticeboard along. Perhaps an example could be provide in the archiving section for future ambitious editors. Again, apologies. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 01:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

RFA Thanks

Thanks for your participation at my recent Request for adminship. Thanks, in particular, for taking the time to ask a few questions, and then providing thorough feedback on my responses. I’ll keep your concerns in mind as I continue to work within the project. I hope you find I live up to your expectations of administrators. Best, Risker (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Batman Villain

Saw you redid the page, I thought it was a great change for the better, no response necessary, just wanted to expressed my appreciation. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Welcome back!

Glad to see your problems seem to have been resolved. --Kbdank71 19:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, welcome back. VegaDark (talk) 06:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quick TY

Thanks for the review, your input is always appreciated. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 05:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks

Thanks, that was fun! RichardF (talk) 14:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Hello Jc37. Thank you for your kind reply. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gut a random, horrid thought about the Batman stuff...

We may want to be watching "Batman", "Dick Grayson", "Batman R.I.P.", and the template a bit harder for the next few months. LitG ran a bit that may or may not have legs about the net result of "R.I.P" but I foresee a lot of "helpful" edits and teeth grinding.

- J Greb (talk) 23:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your bug was fixed and resolved a few minutes ago. :-) Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, wrong queue

That has to be one of the better ones I have seen. You had me laughing out loud : ) - jc37 12:13, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am still hitting the wrong queue...

Thanks for the happy note! Sooner or later, I'll find the right queue. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for helping me about on the help desk. -- Escape Artist Swyer Talk to me The mess I've made 15:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Short and to the point

This exchange made me smile. :) –Black Falcon (Talk) 01:16, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CFDW listing format

Hi, I'm sending this message to regular users of WP:CFDW. Now that I've rewritten Cydebot in Python, the door is open to make all sorts of changes to the listing format. Join the discussion here. I'd love to hear some comments from the most frequent users of CFDW on how best to improve it for humans. --Cyde Weys 03:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Archive help

link you were looking for. Sorry it took so long. I've been very busy the past few weeks and haven't had time to do archive searches. Enigma message 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]