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{{Infobox language
|name=Samoan
|nativename=gagana Sāmoa
|familycolor=Austronesian
|states=[[Samoa]], [[American Samoa]]
|region=Spoken as first language on Samoan Islands [[Samoa]] and [[American Samoa]], with substantial communities of speakers in [[New Zealand]], [[Australia]] and the [[United States|U.S.]]
|speakers=870,337 total speakers according to Ethnologue (1999)
|fam2=[[Malayo-Polynesian languages|Malayo-Polynesian]] (MP)
|fam3=[[Nuclear Malayo-Polynesian languages|Nuclear MP]]
|fam4=[[Central-Eastern Malayo-Polynesian languages|Central-Eastern MP]]
|fam5=[[Eastern Malayo-Polynesian languages|Eastern MP]]
|fam6=[[Oceanic languages|Oceanic]]
|fam7=[[Central-Eastern Oceanic languages|Central-Eastern]]
|fam8=[[Central Pacific languages|Central Pacific]]
|fam9=[[East Fijian-Polynesian languages|East Fijian-Polynesian]]
|fam10=[[Samoic languages|Samoic]]
|nation=[[Samoa]] (203,377 speakers) and [[American Samoa]] (66,700 speakers)
|iso1=sm|iso2=smo|iso3=smo}}
The '''Sāmoan'''<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.polynesia.com/samoa/languages.html|title=Samoa: Languages|last=Unattributed|work=Samoa|publisher=Polynesian Cultural Center|language=en-US|accessdate=2008-08-21}} This page from the Polynesian Cultural Center in Honolulu describes native pronuniciation of "Sāmoa."</ref> or '''Samoan language''' is the traditional language of [[Samoa]] and [[American Samoa]] and is an official language &mdash; alongside [[English language|English]] &mdash; in both jurisdictions. It is a member of the [[Austronesian languages|Austronesian]] family, and more specifically the [[Samoic languages|Samoic]] branch of the [[Polynesian languages|Polynesian]] subphylum.


*[[User talk:DavidRF/archive 1]]
There are approximately 800,000 Samoan-speakers worldwide, 35% of who live in the Samoan Islands. Thereafter, the greatest concentration is in [[New Zealand]], where people of Samoan ethnicity comprise the fifth largest group after New Zealand European, [[Māori]], New Zealander and Chinese: the 2006 New Zealand census recorded 85,428 speakers of the Samoan language, and 131,103 people of Samoan ethnicity. Among ethnic Samoans in New Zealand, 70.5 percent of the Samoan speakers (77,109 people) could speak Samoan. Samoan is the 4th most commonly spoken language in New Zealand after English, Maori and Chinese. The majority of Samoans in New Zealand (66.4 per cent) reside in the commercial capital, [[Auckland]]. Of those who speak Samoan, 67.4 percent live in Auckland and 70.4 percent of people who are both of Samoan ethnicity and Samoan speakers live in that city.


== Tagging Classical ==
According to the 2006 census, there were 28,525 speakers of Samoan in [[Australia]], and 39,992 people of Samoan ancestry.
Hello...just a quick favour: could you add the tag |composition=yes when you tag the WP:CM banner to a musical composition? (See [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Compositions task force]]) Saves me having to do it when I stumble over the piece! [[User:CenturionZ_1|'''<font color ="#D00">Centy</font>''']] – <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:middle;" class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:CenturionZ 1|action=edit&section=new}}<span>reply</span>]• [[Special:Contributions/CenturionZ_1|<span>contribs</span>]]</span> – 19:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


P.S. Note about italics - my view is that if a nickname is in italics, the brackets also have to be to avoid ugly spaces. However given that AWB thinks this is not MoS, it may be that we don't italicise nicknames (even though I think we should given titles for books and songs are italicised).
==Writing systems==


::Just to let you know that I realise <nowiki>{{Classical|composition=yes}}</nowiki> is quite a lot to type so that's why I've began to add them via AWB. No need for you to do it by hand! I shall hopefully soon fully utilise every feature of the Classical banner (ie tag all stub articles as such as well all those requiring attention). Meanwhile, I think we should work on rewriting articles that look like they've either been lifted straight from a set of program notes (complete with peacock words) or badly translated. [[User:CenturionZ_1|'''<font color ="#D00">Centy</font>''']] – <span style="font-size:xx-small; vertical-align:middle;" class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:CenturionZ 1|action=edit&section=new}}<span>reply</span>]• [[Special:Contributions/CenturionZ_1|<span>contribs</span>]]</span> – 01:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
The Samoan alphabet consists of 15 letters, plus three (''H'', ''K'', ''R'') that are only used in loanwords:


== Dvořák operas ==
{| cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" class="wikitable"
|- align="center"
! Aa, Āā || Ee, Ēē || Ff || Gg || Hh || Ii, Īī || Kk || Ll || Mm || Nn || Oo, Ōō || Pp || Rr || Ss || Tt || Uu, Ūū || Vv || [[okina|‘]]
|- align="center"
| {{IPA|/ə/}}, {{IPA|/aː/}} || {{IPA|/ɛ/}}, {{IPA|/eː/}} || {{IPA|/f/}} || {{IPA|/ŋ/}} || {{IPA|(/h/)}} || {{IPA|/ɪ/}}, {{IPA|/iː/}} || {{IPA|/k/}} || {{IPA|/l, ɾ/}} || {{IPA|/m/}} || {{IPA|/n/}}, {{IPA|/ŋ/}} || {{IPA|/o/}}, {{IPA|/ɔː/}} || {{IPA|/p/}} || {{IPA|/l/}} || {{IPA|/s/}} || {{IPA|/t/}}, {{IPA|/k/}} || {{IPA|/ʊ/}}, {{IPA|/uː/}} || {{IPA|/v/}} || {{IPA|/ʔ/}}
|}


Hi. Just a note to say that members of the [[WP:WPO|Opera Project]] have long been in agreement that it is helpful to have all articles on individual operas in [[:Category:Operas]] as well as sub-cats by composer and language, so I've reverted your cat deletions. This apparent over-categorisation is detailed in the Project's Guidelines and has been discussed on its Talk page, but feel free to raise it there again if you want fuller and better particulars. --<font color="forestgreen">[[User:GuillaumeTell|'''Guillaume''']]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:GuillaumeTell|''Tell'']]</font> 16:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
In formal Samoan, /k/ is only found in ''puke!'' 'catch!'. However, in colloquial speech /t/ has come to be pronounced [k], and in addition /n/ has merged with /ŋ/ as [ŋ].


:I see you have put the Classical Music banner on [[The Stubborn Lovers]]. I'm a participant in both projects and regularly put their banners on articles, but it's worth noting that we try ''not'' to overlap. In the case of operas we put them under the opera project. Other articles, on conductors for example, go under CM. Hope this helps. Regards. --[[User:Kleinzach|Kleinzach]] ([[User talk:Kleinzach|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
/l/ is pronounced {{IPA|[ɾ]}} following a back vowel (/a, o, u/) and preceding an /i/. /s/ is less [[sibilant]] than in English.


== Symphony No. 3 (Beethoven) ==
[[Metathesis]] of consonants is frequent, such as ''manu'' for ''namu'' 'scent', ''lava‘au'' for ''vala‘au'' 'to call', but vowels may not be mixed up in this way.


David,
==Phonology==


What you did is absolutely fine with me, but the user that removed my contribution did not say anything about it and he/she did it in several articles I contributed to, not only in Classical Music related articles. I call that vandalism as well. I left a comment in his talk page, I am sure you can see it.
Samoan [[phonotactics|syllable structure]] is (C)V.
Vowels are length-distinct in Samoan.


Regards,
==Grammar==
[[User:Miguel.mateo|Miguel.mateo]] ([[User talk:Miguel.mateo|talk]]) 07:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
===Personal pronouns===
Like many Austronesian languages, Samoan has separate words for [[Clusivity|inclusive and exclusive we]], and distinguishes [[Grammatical number|singular]], [[dual (grammatical number)|dual]], and [[plural]]. The root for the inclusive pronoun may occur in the singular, in which case it indicates emotional involvement on the part of the speaker.


== Help request ==
{| class="wikitable"
!
!singular
!dual
!plural
|-
!First [[Grammatical person|person]] exclusive
| a‘u , ‘ou
| mā‘ua, mā
| mātou
|-
! First person inclusive
| tā
| tā‘ua, tā
| tātou
|-
! Second person
| ‘oe, ‘e
| ‘oulua
| ‘outou, tou
|-
! Third person
| ia / na
| lā‘ua
| lātou
|}


Hello David! I added references to the articles of classical music "to-do" list ([[Furiant]], [[String Quartet No. 12 (Dvořák)]]). I removed "unreferenced" tags, should I remove the articles also from the list? And (maybe it'll seem stupid to you) in the case of Dvořák's Quartet only part of the article was saved... In the "edit the page" section you can find it whole, but when I used "preview", there was only one section... I hope it will be easy to fix it, but I simply don't know how... I'm novice... Thank you for your time and help [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User talk:Vejvančický|talk]]) 16:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
In formal speech, fuller forms of the roots ''mā-'', ''tā-'', and ''lā-'' are ''‘imā-'', ''‘itā-'', and ''‘ilā-.''


:Thank you and sorry... I'm more librarian... Than technical type. [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User talk:Vejvančický|talk]]) 23:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
==Vocabulary==
===Common phrases and words===


== Mozart's Nachtmusik ==


Thanks for adding the tag back in. I agree with you -- in fairness, I should have reverted to the tag, too, but I was lazy and didn't know how to do that quickly and easily. Have patience, I'm a little new at Wikipedia editing! My preference is to have no tag, because I have already provided sufficient reason (in my opinion), but I don't feel really strongly about it. Regarding my slight change of translation, I did have a reason. My objection to the "popular" translation is not JUST that Nachtmusik means serenade in German, not "night music". It is ALSO that the use of the English word "little" in this context indicates the partitive sense of this word, namely "some" or "a bit of", and not the simple adjective = small. The German word "kleine" CANNOT have a partitive sense, and can ONLY mean "little" or "small". This was why I initially chose the word "small" in my first attempt at a more accurate translation, to get rid of the ambiguous word "little". But then I thought, "little" is clearer and more direct, and sounds more natural in this context. AND "a little serenade" cannot be understood in the partitive sense of "little," so there really is no ambiguity if you use this phrase. [[User:Ajrocke|Ajrocke]] ([[User talk:Ajrocke|talk]]) 18:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
==[[List of Mozart's operas]] - Template NMA==
On the article's talk page you suggested that a truncated version of the NMA link might be added into the list. This sounds an interesting idea - can you demonstrate the form of the truncated link? Many thanks. [[User:Brianboulton|Brianboulton]] ([[User talk:Brianboulton|talk]]) 23:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:I have now incorporated these links into the article. Thanks for suggesting it [[User:Brianboulton|Brianboulton]] ([[User talk:Brianboulton|talk]]) 20:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


==Your comment==
{| class="wikitable"
!'''English'''
!'''Samoan'''
!'''Pronounce'''{{Fact|date=September 2008}}
|-
| Yes
| ‘ioe
| {{IPA|ee-yo-weh}}
|-
| No
| Leai
| {{IPA|leh-eye}}
|-
| Please
| Fa‘amolemole
| {{IPA|fah-ah-moh-leh-moh-leh}}
|-
| Thank you
| Fa‘afetai
| {{IPA|fah-ah-feh-tie}}
|-
| That's all right
| ‘Ua lelei
| {{IPA|oo-wah leh-lay}}
|-
| big - small
| tele - la‘itiiti
| {{IPA|teh-leh}} - {{IPA|lie-tee-tee}}
|-
| quick - slow
| vave/tope - gese
| {{IPA|vah-veh/toh-beh}} - {{IPA|ngeh-seh}}
|-
| early - late
| vave - tuai
| {{IPA|vah-veh}} - {{IPA|too-wai}}
|-
| cheap - expensive
| taugōfie - taugatā
| {{IPA|tah-oo-ngoh-fee-eh}} - {{IPA|tah-oo-ngah-tar}}
|-
| near - far
| latalata - mamao
| {{IPA|lar-tah-lar-tah}} - {{IPA|mar-mar-awe}}
|-
| hot - cold
| vevela - mālūlū
| {{IPA|ve-veh-lah}} - {{IPA|mar-loo-loo}}
|-
| full - empty
| tumu - gaogao
| {{IPA|too-moo}} - {{IPA|ngah-or-ngah-or}}
|-
| easy - difficult
| faigōfie - faigatā
| {{IPA|fah-ee-ngoh-fee-eh}} - {{IPA|fah-ee-ngah-tar}}
|-
| heavy - light
| mamafa - māma
| {{IPA|mar-mar-far}} - {{IPA|mah-mar}}
|-
| open - shut
| tatala - tapuni
| {{IPA|tar-tah-lah}} - {{IPA|tah-poo-nee}}
|-
| right - wrong
| sa‘o - sesē
| {{IPA|sar-awe}} - {{IPA|se-seh}}
|-
| old - new
| tuai - fou
| {{IPA|too-wai}} - {{IPA|for-oo}}
|-
| old - young
| matua - talavou
| {{IPA|mah-tuwah}} - {{IPA|tah-lah-voh-oo}}
|-
| beautiful - ugly
| matagōfie - mataga
| {{IPA|mah-tah-ngoh-fee-eh}} - {{IPA|mah-tar-ngar}}
|-
| good - bad
| lelei / leaga
| {{IPA|leh-lay}} / {{IPA|leh-ah-ngah}}
|-
| better - worse
| feoloolo - leaga tele
| {{IPA|feh-or-loh-loh}} - {{IPA|leh-angah teh-leh}}
|-
|}


Just a note to say I have replied to you on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music|Classical music]]. --''[[User:Kleinzach|<span style="color:#FF4500;letter-spacing:2px;">Klein</span>]][[User talk:Kleinzach|<span style="padding:0px 0px 1px 2px;color:white; background-color:#ACE1AF;letter-spacing:2px;">zach</span>]]'' 00:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
==References==
* Milner, G.B. 1993, 1966. ''Samoan Dictionary.'' Polynesian Press. ISBN 0 908597 12 6
* Payne, Thomas E. 1997. ''Describing morphosyntax: a guide for field linguists.'' Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-58224-5.


== [[Symphonic poem]] ==
==External links==
I recently revamped this article and wondered if you would be interested in looking it over, if for no other reason than to have a second set of eyes on the article. If not, no problem. Thanks! [[User:Jonyungk|Jonyungk]] ([[User talk:Jonyungk|talk]]) 18:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
{{interwiki|code=sm}}
:Its much longer than I remembered. Lots of new material. I'll take a longer look later (at work now).[[User:DavidRF|DavidRF]] ([[User talk:DavidRF#top|talk]]) 18:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
* [http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-PraDict-c1.html Samoan grammar]
::No problem. Saw your note. Apologies for unleashing the typo beast upon you. [[User:Jonyungk|Jonyungk]] ([[User talk:Jonyungk|talk]]) 16:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, that was easy (and almost fun) because firefox has a spell-check. :-) Another pass would probably be warranted for wording and phrasings that a spell-check would miss. Its an impressive article, though. Lots of new content. Thanks. [[User:DavidRF|DavidRF]] ([[User talk:DavidRF#top|talk]]) 16:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


== Haydn Symphony Articles ==
[[Category:Languages of American Samoa]]
[[Category:Languages of Samoa]]
[[Category:Polynesian languages]]
[[Category:Samoic languages]]


Hi David, [[User talk:Horn of Plenty|FYI]]. I look forward to your input. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] ([[User talk:Eusebeus|talk]]) 22:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
[[br:Samoaeg]]
I created a centralised discussion at the Classical Project Talk page. Also, there seems like something slightly odd going on between several editors when I make an admittedly brief comparison of contributions and areas of interest. Have you noticed anything? The edits of Jindřichův Smith & Horn of Plenty seem quite coincidental. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] ([[User talk:Eusebeus|talk]]) 00:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
[[bg:Самоански език]]
:Now it all makes perfect sense! Only one person in the entire world is dumb enough to disagree with Eusebeus, and he/she is pretending to be several people! "This is the break in the case we've been waiting for," to quote Homer Simpson. That person must be real dumb because he/she failed to make the different personas different enough. What a single lone idiot! Ha, ha, ha! [[User:Cromulent Kwyjibo|Cromulent Kwyjibo]] ([[User talk:Cromulent Kwyjibo|talk]]) 18:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
[[ca:Samoà]]

[[de:Samoische Sprache]]
==Oops==
[[es:Idioma samoano]]

[[eo:Samoa lingvo]]
Hello DavidRF, Looking back at the edit history at [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]], I realize I reverted an edit of yours ("of the German nation") rather rudely. In fact, at the time I carelessly erred in thinking I was reverting the work of an all-too-familiar troublemaker, rather than that of a noticeably thoughtful and careful colleague, i.e. you. Sorry about that, and thank you for your patience. Yours sincerely, [[User:Opus33|Opus33]] ([[User talk:Opus33|talk]]) 00:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
[[fr:Samoan]]

[[haw:‘Ōlelo Sāmoa]]
==re photo in M. Haydn article==
[[id:Bahasa Samoa]]

[[it:Lingua samoana]]
Hi David...I created the composite photo because I felt it would convey more info & feeling than any of my single shots taken there. And since the article is rather brief, there's really not enough space for multiple single photos. If something better were to come along, we could replace the composite. Perhaps tweaking the size of the thumbnail in the article would help! Best regards, Scott [[User:sba2]] ([[User talk:sba2|talk]]) 30 July 2008 (UTC)
[[la:Lingua Samoana]]
:OK. Thanks. [[User:DavidRF|DavidRF]] ([[User talk:DavidRF#top|talk]]) 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
[[lv:Samoāņu valoda]]

[[lij:Lengua samoann-a]]
==[[D major]] violin concertos==
[[nl:Samoaans]]
Why not extend the current paragraph at [[D major]] to make a forceful point, and make a strong statement at [[Violin Concerto (Brahms)]] to lead the alerted reader to the examples?--[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman|talk]]) 23:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
[[ja:サモア語]]

[[no:Samoansk]]
== Thanks ==
[[pl:Język samoański]]
Ta for the copyedits - perhaps a quick comb on 34 as well? Have you read Sisman's article? It is a striking piece of scholarship - happy to send it to you if you don't have JSTOR access. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] ([[User talk:Eusebeus|talk]]) 18:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
[[ru:Самоанский язык]]

[[sm:Gagana fa'a Sāmoa]]
*Per your 48 edit, I don't accept the argument that date of composition and scoring are unconnected. They DO go together, since (1) the creation of the piece engenders its instrumentation and (2) as we know in his Haydn Symphonies work HCRL always pairs DoC and scoring in his analytical treatment - so we are basically following hcrl. (It's true that I had forgotten why I had originally paired them, but this is the reason.) I don't feel that strongly, but in the case of Haydn (and I only implicate Haydn), the categorisation seems apt. [[User:Eusebeus|Eusebeus]] ([[User talk:Eusebeus|talk]]) 19:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
[[fi:Samoan kieli]]

[[sv:Samoanska]]
== [[Schubert's last sonatas]] ==
[[to:Lea fakahaʻamoa]]
Hi. I've requested peer review for this article, as I hope to make it a GA (not FA as yet). Any comments would be welcome. Thanks. [[User:Gidip|Gidip]] ([[User talk:Gidip|talk]]) 12:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
[[zh:萨摩亚语]]

== Haydn symphonies ==

Well, now almost all the Haydn symphonies have articles. No. 42 remains the "[[technetium]]" of Joseph's periodic table. [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] ([[User talk:Anton Mravcek|talk]]) 19:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Very cool! I'd add a stub for "Tc", but I'm away from my books & CD's now. I'll add one on Tuesday if no one does it before then. [[User:DavidRF|DavidRF]] ([[User talk:DavidRF#top|talk]]) 15:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

== Requesting advice on copyright status of a musical example ==

David, could you take a look at [[:Image:Simpson 5.jpg]] and tell me what you think the copyright status of it ought to be in your opinion? [[User:Anton Mravcek|Anton Mravcek]] ([[User talk:Anton Mravcek|talk]]) 23:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Schumann piano quintet ==

Kudos for the correction. I had it from two sources that Schumann was the first to write a piano quintet. They, like I, didn't know much about Boccherini. --[[User:Ravpapa|Ravpapa]] ([[User talk:Ravpapa|talk]]) 05:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== The whole continuo issue ==

I can't give you page numbers today, but you can easily enough find in the books of HCRL et al recommendations that the early Haydn symphonies should be played with continuo. Where exactly the dividing line falls is what is open to debate. Some will say the Paris symphonies and some will say the Sturm & Drang symphonies. Either way, No. 7 is covered. [[User:Jindřichův Smith|Jindřichův Smith]] ([[User talk:Jindřichův Smith|talk]]) 19:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ah yes, I see. Thanks for the links. [[User:Jindřichův Smith|Jindřichův Smith]] ([[User talk:Jindřichův Smith|talk]]) 21:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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DavidRF (talk · contribs)

Tagging Classical

Hello...just a quick favour: could you add the tag |composition=yes when you tag the WP:CM banner to a musical composition? (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music/Compositions task force) Saves me having to do it when I stumble over the piece! Centyreplycontribs – 19:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Note about italics - my view is that if a nickname is in italics, the brackets also have to be to avoid ugly spaces. However given that AWB thinks this is not MoS, it may be that we don't italicise nicknames (even though I think we should given titles for books and songs are italicised).

Just to let you know that I realise {{Classical|composition=yes}} is quite a lot to type so that's why I've began to add them via AWB. No need for you to do it by hand! I shall hopefully soon fully utilise every feature of the Classical banner (ie tag all stub articles as such as well all those requiring attention). Meanwhile, I think we should work on rewriting articles that look like they've either been lifted straight from a set of program notes (complete with peacock words) or badly translated. Centyreplycontribs – 01:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Dvořák operas

Hi. Just a note to say that members of the Opera Project have long been in agreement that it is helpful to have all articles on individual operas in Category:Operas as well as sub-cats by composer and language, so I've reverted your cat deletions. This apparent over-categorisation is detailed in the Project's Guidelines and has been discussed on its Talk page, but feel free to raise it there again if you want fuller and better particulars. --GuillaumeTell 16:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I see you have put the Classical Music banner on The Stubborn Lovers. I'm a participant in both projects and regularly put their banners on articles, but it's worth noting that we try not to overlap. In the case of operas we put them under the opera project. Other articles, on conductors for example, go under CM. Hope this helps. Regards. --Kleinzach (talk) 09:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Symphony No. 3 (Beethoven)

David,

What you did is absolutely fine with me, but the user that removed my contribution did not say anything about it and he/she did it in several articles I contributed to, not only in Classical Music related articles. I call that vandalism as well. I left a comment in his talk page, I am sure you can see it.

Regards, Miguel.mateo (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Help request

Hello David! I added references to the articles of classical music "to-do" list (Furiant, String Quartet No. 12 (Dvořák)). I removed "unreferenced" tags, should I remove the articles also from the list? And (maybe it'll seem stupid to you) in the case of Dvořák's Quartet only part of the article was saved... In the "edit the page" section you can find it whole, but when I used "preview", there was only one section... I hope it will be easy to fix it, but I simply don't know how... I'm novice... Thank you for your time and help Vejvančický (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you and sorry... I'm more librarian... Than technical type. Vejvančický (talk) 23:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Mozart's Nachtmusik

Thanks for adding the tag back in. I agree with you -- in fairness, I should have reverted to the tag, too, but I was lazy and didn't know how to do that quickly and easily. Have patience, I'm a little new at Wikipedia editing! My preference is to have no tag, because I have already provided sufficient reason (in my opinion), but I don't feel really strongly about it. Regarding my slight change of translation, I did have a reason. My objection to the "popular" translation is not JUST that Nachtmusik means serenade in German, not "night music". It is ALSO that the use of the English word "little" in this context indicates the partitive sense of this word, namely "some" or "a bit of", and not the simple adjective = small. The German word "kleine" CANNOT have a partitive sense, and can ONLY mean "little" or "small". This was why I initially chose the word "small" in my first attempt at a more accurate translation, to get rid of the ambiguous word "little". But then I thought, "little" is clearer and more direct, and sounds more natural in this context. AND "a little serenade" cannot be understood in the partitive sense of "little," so there really is no ambiguity if you use this phrase. Ajrocke (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

On the article's talk page you suggested that a truncated version of the NMA link might be added into the list. This sounds an interesting idea - can you demonstrate the form of the truncated link? Many thanks. Brianboulton (talk) 23:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I have now incorporated these links into the article. Thanks for suggesting it Brianboulton (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Your comment

Just a note to say I have replied to you on Classical music. --Kleinzach 00:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I recently revamped this article and wondered if you would be interested in looking it over, if for no other reason than to have a second set of eyes on the article. If not, no problem. Thanks! Jonyungk (talk) 18:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Its much longer than I remembered. Lots of new material. I'll take a longer look later (at work now).DavidRF (talk) 18:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Saw your note. Apologies for unleashing the typo beast upon you. Jonyungk (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, that was easy (and almost fun) because firefox has a spell-check.  :-) Another pass would probably be warranted for wording and phrasings that a spell-check would miss. Its an impressive article, though. Lots of new content. Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Haydn Symphony Articles

Hi David, FYI. I look forward to your input. Eusebeus (talk) 22:45, 24 July 2008 (UTC) I created a centralised discussion at the Classical Project Talk page. Also, there seems like something slightly odd going on between several editors when I make an admittedly brief comparison of contributions and areas of interest. Have you noticed anything? The edits of Jindřichův Smith & Horn of Plenty seem quite coincidental. Eusebeus (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Now it all makes perfect sense! Only one person in the entire world is dumb enough to disagree with Eusebeus, and he/she is pretending to be several people! "This is the break in the case we've been waiting for," to quote Homer Simpson. That person must be real dumb because he/she failed to make the different personas different enough. What a single lone idiot! Ha, ha, ha! Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 18:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops

Hello DavidRF, Looking back at the edit history at Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, I realize I reverted an edit of yours ("of the German nation") rather rudely. In fact, at the time I carelessly erred in thinking I was reverting the work of an all-too-familiar troublemaker, rather than that of a noticeably thoughtful and careful colleague, i.e. you. Sorry about that, and thank you for your patience. Yours sincerely, Opus33 (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

re photo in M. Haydn article

Hi David...I created the composite photo because I felt it would convey more info & feeling than any of my single shots taken there. And since the article is rather brief, there's really not enough space for multiple single photos. If something better were to come along, we could replace the composite. Perhaps tweaking the size of the thumbnail in the article would help! Best regards, Scott User:sba2 (talk) 30 July 2008 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

D major violin concertos

Why not extend the current paragraph at D major to make a forceful point, and make a strong statement at Violin Concerto (Brahms) to lead the alerted reader to the examples?--Wetman (talk) 23:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Ta for the copyedits - perhaps a quick comb on 34 as well? Have you read Sisman's article? It is a striking piece of scholarship - happy to send it to you if you don't have JSTOR access. Eusebeus (talk) 18:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Per your 48 edit, I don't accept the argument that date of composition and scoring are unconnected. They DO go together, since (1) the creation of the piece engenders its instrumentation and (2) as we know in his Haydn Symphonies work HCRL always pairs DoC and scoring in his analytical treatment - so we are basically following hcrl. (It's true that I had forgotten why I had originally paired them, but this is the reason.) I don't feel that strongly, but in the case of Haydn (and I only implicate Haydn), the categorisation seems apt. Eusebeus (talk) 19:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I've requested peer review for this article, as I hope to make it a GA (not FA as yet). Any comments would be welcome. Thanks. Gidip (talk) 12:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Haydn symphonies

Well, now almost all the Haydn symphonies have articles. No. 42 remains the "technetium" of Joseph's periodic table. Anton Mravcek (talk) 19:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Very cool! I'd add a stub for "Tc", but I'm away from my books & CD's now. I'll add one on Tuesday if no one does it before then. DavidRF (talk) 15:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Requesting advice on copyright status of a musical example

David, could you take a look at Image:Simpson 5.jpg and tell me what you think the copyright status of it ought to be in your opinion? Anton Mravcek (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Schumann piano quintet

Kudos for the correction. I had it from two sources that Schumann was the first to write a piano quintet. They, like I, didn't know much about Boccherini. --Ravpapa (talk) 05:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The whole continuo issue

I can't give you page numbers today, but you can easily enough find in the books of HCRL et al recommendations that the early Haydn symphonies should be played with continuo. Where exactly the dividing line falls is what is open to debate. Some will say the Paris symphonies and some will say the Sturm & Drang symphonies. Either way, No. 7 is covered. Jindřichův Smith (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see. Thanks for the links. Jindřichův Smith (talk) 21:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)