User talk:Art LaPella

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Would you be so kind as to take a closer look at this? [1] Thanks in advance. --Poeticbent  talk  04:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is the church "located in the background of the Main Market Square"? Doesn't the background depend on where you are standing? How about simply "located at Main Market Square"?

At the end of the third paragraph, are "The restoration of the church..." and "...the following unfortunate reconstruction..." the same thing? If so, then the word "following" is misleading, because a reconstruction doesn't follow itself. Were they two completely separate reconstructions? Then why is the later reconstruction the only reconstruction without an approximate date mentioned? Or does it mean that as a result of the "restoration" and "the discovery of its Romanesque past", that only the Romanesque part had an "unfortunate reconstruction"? I don't think so, because the rest of the article uses the word "Romanesque" to mean what happened in "the early Middle Ages", and it says the church's Baroque style dates from 1611-1618. Art LaPella 06:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

This is great. Thanks Art. I fixed the two things you mentioned. Please take a look. Perhaps you can improve on it further. Yes, there were two separate renovations mentioned at the end of third paragraph just like you thought. That particular piece of information was based on article in Polish Wikipedia. Apparently, one renovation was conducted in the late 19th century and than there was the next "unfortunate" one. However, no dates were given and no references for me to confirm anything. For now I decided to edit it out. --Poeticbent  talk  06:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Air Force of the Polish Army

Thanks. WikiThanks.

Thanks for correction of my English. Be patient, it's not over of this story yet. I will adding text in portions so I'm asking for checking them. Thanks again :) Radomil talk 23:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

"reviled" - I want ed to say that pilots of the 1st Fighter Reg. saw launchers and transfer coordinates to the 3rd Ground-Attack Reg. that attacked them. Radomil talk 19:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

If they didn't attack, but only provided information to others, that sounds the same as the military word "reconnaissance" which is already used several times in the article. So for now I'm substituting "did reconnaissance" for "attacked". Art LaPella 19:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

What does this mean? "...the 103rd Squadron was delivering orders to commanders of first line..." "Commanders of first line" isn't a rank I recognize. And why would a squadron deliver orders to commanders? One would expect commanders to deliver orders (commands) to a squadron, not vice versa. Art LaPella 23:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

103rd Squadron had fuction of messengers. Pilots took orders (not all, mostly those top secret, maps etc., that werent send by radio or telegraph) from high command to commanding oficers of first line units of land forces, and tok reports etc. form first line to high command. Radomil talk 12:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S "British style dates" are also commonly used by continental Europeans. For us "US-style dates" looks very strange ;) Radomil talk 12:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S.2 Leave anserws on users talk page with whom You are talking. Only then he can easly see it. Radomil talk 12:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

To the list of "UK-English country" You can add Poland. Our educational system recognises only ESOL exams. As for discusion style AFAIK prefered is anserwing on other users page due to technicalk reasons. Your counterpart in discussion recive message from wikimedia that someone edited his talk page. Regards :) Radomil talk 18:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Yup, good idea, but if You are not too long in here :) I'm admin of pl:wiki and for now I have 3894 pages (without their discussion) in my watchlist~there. Adding talk pages of all persons that I ever talk on Wikipedia would be a nightmare ;) Radomil talk 18:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Would You be so kind and check my final part of text in the Air Force of the Polish Army? [2]

"Chessboard" is traditional name of Polish Air Force national mark [3]: . As for proportion of sections... mayby someone would expand world war II section... who knows... it's Wiki :) I don't think that cutting informations for correction of proportion is good idea :) Radomil talk 21:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure. Perhaps it would be good solution to write about this problem on Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board. Maybe other users will expand/divide article in different way? Radomil talk 21:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

RE: italics

Oh, great! Thanks a lot for taking the time out of your day to let me know, and also thank you for that link! I'm sure it'll provide very useful in my future editing forays. Thanks again! gaillimh^{Conas tá tú?} 01:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Dates

I'm confused. What is the proper way of introducing dates in the English language article? Do all exact dates get hotlinked in English Wikipedia? What if the year is mentioned, but without commas, neither before nor after? - I'm talking about this edit.--Poeticbent  talk  21:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The policy I quoted at Talk:Air Force of the Polish Army says to hotlink the month and the day, and goes on to recommend linking the year to enable other "preferences". Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) goes into more detail. The reason to link the month and the day is simpler: to please the British as I explained. I looked over English Wikipedia's most heavily edited article, George W. Bush, and found that about 90% of the exact dates hotlink the month, day and year.

What if the year is mentioned, but without commas? Do you mean February 4 1945? I see that sometimes, but Americans (at least) are taught in school to put a comma after the 4. If you link the February 4 and the 1945, it will add a comma even though you "forgot": February 4 1945. Art LaPella 22:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Please take a look at my comment there. I have no problem accepting the links, but there’s the question of omitting all commas, which is a bit harder for me to swallow. --Poeticbent  talk  22:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

If commas are the issue, then once again, if you link the month and day (day and month if you're British) and also link the year, the system ADDS a comma before the year, even though it wasn't typed. When I read Air Force of the Polish Army, there is a comma before each year. I don't think it depends on preferences, because of what the policy says. The exception is April 1 1944 at the beginning of the third paragraph, which could be fixed by linking the 1944. Art LaPella 22:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Please read my reply there. My computer at home does not show what you suggest it should. The numbers remain "17 February 1945" with no commas, like it is written in the text. --Poeticbent  talk  23:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

New

Would you like to take a look at this [4]? Thanks. --Poeticbent  talk  22:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Did Jordan say "Tired body requires rest..." in English? If not, "A tired body requires rest..." is a better translation. Since he spent time in other countries, he may have said it in English, and we should retain the foreign-sounding original quote. Art LaPella 23:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the proofread. Much appreciated in both, the article and in the hook for DYK. The quote from Jordan was borowed from Polish Wikipedia so it might have originated in any language since Jordan was a polyglot. I think we should give it an English sound. --Poeticbent  talk  01:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Ooops

I see what he meant to do now...I suppose I jumped the gun on calling the edit disruptive. Pretty sure it's our same user though, IP resolves to Brazil.--Xnuala (talk)(Review) 02:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Roger. Art LaPella 03:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

New

May I ask you to take a closer look at these two before it's too late? [5] [6] Thanks in advance. --Poeticbent talk 03:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done Art LaPella 05:14, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I was most impressed with your "parashah Tesaveh". Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 13:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just copy phrases like "parashah Tesaveh" into the search field at the left, clicked the first search choice, and confirmed the association in the article's first sentence. Art LaPella 17:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Just in

Would you be so kind as to take a look at this? [7] Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 14:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

When I click the latitude and longitude in the upper right corner, then click Google Maps and zoom all the way in, it says "Uniwersytet Jagielloński Collegium Novum", between Golebia and Jagiellońska streets. I don't see Mickiewicza, from the address given in the article. Besides, the article says the Agricultural University became independent of the Jagiellonian University in 1972. So is it the right building, or do we need another latitude and longitude? Art LaPella 21:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all this. And yes, you were right about the coordinates leading to Jagiellonian University instead. If you know how to get to the right place with ease, please go right ahead and change it. Thanks for linking the dates according to Manual of Style. Much appreciated. --Poeticbent talk 02:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

My usual map software thinks Krakow is in New York or Australia. I found a map of Krakow with a street index *[8], so now I know where the street is, but the only school I found on that street is "Akademia Gorniczo-Hutnicza". You've written so many articles about Krakow that I assume you lived there, so is that the same place? If not, could you direct me to it along that street? If not, I suggest we remove the coordinates rather than provide wrong coordinates. Art LaPella 05:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for all the trouble. I searched for Agricultural University at http://www.uk.map24.com/ and found its address there, however, the name of the university was not shown. There are two universities on Aleja Adama Mickiewicza (avenue) just nine doors from each other. I was born and raised in Kraków, but I never visited either of them. I suppose the coordinates would work for both if I could only find the coordinates on that map. Here are the two universities with their respective addresses.

• Agricultural University of Kraków (Akademia Rolnicza w Krakowie)
  

Address: Al. Mickiewicza 21, Kraków

• University of Mining and Metallurgy (Akademia Górniczo-Hutnicza)
  

Address: Al. Mickiewicza 30, Kraków

--Poeticbent talk 14:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That's just the clue I needed!

Resolved

Art LaPella 23:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Marvelous! Now, may I ask you to take an equally discerning look at another new article? [9] Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 02:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I didn't find much to change this time. But I did change the coordinates again, even though the old coordinates correspond to the address according to map24. According to Google Maps, that area is labeled "Planty", and the "Flash Earth" satellite image confirms that area is covered with trees. Google Maps labels a building to the northwest across the street as the academy, so that's where I moved the coordinates. Art LaPella 03:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

That was fast! Thanks a million! There’s an old Polish saying, “those who give quickly, give on the double”. Cheers. --Poeticbent talk 04:11, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

... and one more article please. This is the last of my Kraków universities series. [10] Thanks.--Poeticbent talk 02:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

 Done Art LaPella 03:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Asking for a favour

Hi, I think you have edited this article on St. Joseph's College, Hong Kong some time ago, thanks for your help. I've rewrited the article quite substantially, can you kindly give some comments especially on the language? Thanks a lot. sctonyling 16:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I have edited the article. Here are questions on specific parts of the article:

1. I changed "library assistant" to "a library assistant", but did you mean to use the plural "library assistants"?

2. Is it really "Haye's Trophy" or should it be "Hayes Trophy"? I can't think of anyone named "Haye", but "Hayes" is a common English name for people like U.S. ex-President Rutherford B. Hayes.

3. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Numbers in words says: "Whole numbers from zero to ten should be spelled out as words in the body of an article." I'm not sure if that is a good rule, but it explains why I have spelled out whole numbers from zero to ten as words.

4. Grand slam is a Wikipedia:Disambiguation page. We don't usually link to disambiguation pages, but in this case it might be the best way to give the readers a general idea of what you mean. Usually for Americans, "grand slam" means grand slam (baseball) or maybe a grand slam in bridge.

5. You said you were young, so have you thought about how many people will read about your alumni and their large donations, and ask them for money? I hope you have some kind of permission, especially when naming a large, specific dollar amount. Maybe Hong Kong is different, but Americans don't usually publicize that sort of thing so openly. Art LaPella 01:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

WikiThanks.

Thank you for proof-reading the Political Ideology in the U.S., I really appreciate it! Regards, Signature^brendel 05:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK:John Watts de Peyster

I responded to your remarks over on the DYK Template. This is my first time ever recommending an article--I assume that your comments referred to the suggestion being over the 200+ character limit, and the term "heroic wounding" being a suggested fact. I am still a little murky on what 'character hook' meant. If you could elaborate further, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Mrprada911 03:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I meant only the 200 character limit, with no comment on "heroic wounding". What you referred to as a "suggestion" is often called a "hook" on the DYK talk page because it hooks readers into reading the article. The phrase "suggested fact" is there only because others in your position didn't know what a "hook" is, so I used the same phrase "suggested fact" used in the 200 character rule. Hence: "269 character hook/suggested fact" equals "269 characters in your suggestion, which is over 200". Art LaPella 04:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Brackish

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. 172.131.255.238 13:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I just want the redirect, not the band. Art LaPella 14:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Just in

Would you be so kind as to take a look at this? [11] Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

It says "Jordan's Garden" 3 times and "Jordan's Gardens" 3 times. Is that an oversight, or is it a translation of a Polish plural that was changed over the last century? Does "arching" mean arching one's back as an exercise, or is it archery? Art LaPella 21:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Art. You never fail to impress me. The article should read "Jordan's Garden" when referring to the original Jordan Park in Kraków, and "Jordan's Gardens" in plural for all spin-offs throughout Poland, combined. And of course, I thought about archery there, not arching. Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 22:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

A favour

May I ask you to take a closer look at this [12]? Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 15:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

 Done Art LaPella 21:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The Copyeditor's Barnstar

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Please accept my sincere thanks, Art, for helping to bring the following articles to the front page of Wikipedia as DYKs: Lucjan Dobroszycki, Collegium Novum, Church of St. Wojciech, Henryk Jordan, Agricultural University of Kraków, Ludwik Solski Academy for the Dramatic Arts, The Pontifical Academy of Theology, Jordan Park, and Polish Jura Chain. I hope this little barnstar will be able to express my gratitude. --Poeticbent talk 04:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm moving it to my user page. Art LaPella 05:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Proddy

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Jacob Kunzler

Hi is it better now? --Vonones 05:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

A little. I'll have time to try to improve the translation myself after 20:00 UTC. I know a little German which might help explain the parts I don't understand in English. Art LaPella 13:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I edited the article. Please see that I haven't changed the meaning. Art LaPella 22:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks alot, do you think we should move it up for the choosers to see? --Vonones 05:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand; move what up where? Template talk:Did you know already says that we have edited the page and my template was removed. Jakob Künzler shouldn't be moved to another day, because Template talk:Did you know is organized by the day the article was created. I am not a "chooser" in the sense that I don't choose which hooks go on the Main Page. Art LaPella 17:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! it got featured :) --Vonones 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

New

Please take a more discerning look at my copy.[13] And, thanks in advance. --Poeticbent talk 16:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

On my monitor, the Kosciuszko Fort image upper border has a line crossing out a few words of text. Retrenchment links to an economic article; did you mean "entrenchment"? Dictionary.com and my experience as an American agree that "insulation" protects against sound, heat/cold or electricity. I'm not sure what word was intended - something like "caulking". Art LaPella 17:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

After reading "History of the Kościuszko Mound" I think the right word for "insulation" is "waterproofing". Art LaPella 20:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all this. I also fixed the layout hoping that the line you mentioned would disappear, although I don't see it on my monitor. --Poeticbent talk 22:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Now the line crosses out "Culture of Krakow" instead of "earlier historical church that was". Oh well. Art LaPella 02:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I will try to take a look at that on a different computer tomorrow, since nothing's crossed out on my machine. But, I do know what you mean. Some layouts are like that. --Poeticbent talk 11:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Better. Now the line goes across the bottom of the letters of "History of Krakow", with "Culture of Krakow" to the right of the picture. It still looks wrong but it's much more readable with a line across the bottom. The previous version had a line near the tops of the letters, with the picture covering the bottoms of the letters. Art LaPella 20:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How about now? I added a couple of lines and the new reference pushing the content down a little bit more. --Poeticbent talk 21:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

That looks fine. The line just touches the bottom of the comma after "Heritage Abroad", and the "See also" section appears to the right of the picture. Art LaPella 23:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we'll leave it like this, Art. I don't seem to be able to reproduce the setting of your monitor, although I tried. BTW, the "Text size" on my monitor is set at "Medium" and together with the usual size of my "Active window" there's nothing wrong I can see. Thanks for being such a good sport. --Poeticbent talk 01:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean you want to know my monitor parameters? I didn't find the ones you described but I did find: HP vs19 flat panel monitor, 1280x1024 pixels, "Normal" font size (not Large or Extra Large), 96 DPI. Art LaPella 03:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That sounds about right. The only difference is the size of my monitor at vs20 flat and my res. at 110 DPI. Not notable enough. --Poeticbent talk 14:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

A project

I've been working on this thing for months, with the intention of upgrading its overall status. I suppose, it would take you a bit longer to perfect it. Nevertheless, this is a matter of greater importance to me, so please, get your hands dirty. --Poeticbent talk 17:30, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

In the introduction, is "Wawel Castle with National Art Collection" the same as National Museum, Krakow? If not, can we link the "National Art Collection" to some other existing article? Anyway, it doesn't sound right for a list of landmarks to include Wawel Castle twice, so maybe it should be "Zygmunt Bell at Wawel Castle". Art LaPella 06:15, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Art. Every little bit helps. Please see this if you want to get an idea about what else is there... I’m not sure if I can address it all before I run out of time. Btw, National Museum and Wawel National Art Collection are two different things. I fixed that. --Poeticbent talk 13:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Eek! Last night's edit doesn't show! Let's try it again - it's still written down from last night so I could do it in one edit. By the way, I don't know much about Featured Article procedure - my philosophy is to fix the obvious things first. For instance, you'll find I fixed almost as much at Krakus as I did at Krakow. Art LaPella 21:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Art. Of course I noticed your work at Krakus right away. And thanks for the link to Schengen Treaty. I didn't even realize we had a 26.8 KB long article on that already. --Poeticbent talk 03:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think your welcoming message would be really appreciated here, especially after this comment. Much obliged. --Poeticbent talk 01:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Tower Mounted Amplifier

WikiThanks.

For proofreading Tower Mounted Amplifier --Figarema |^Talk 00:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Amri Hernandez-Pellerano DYK hook

I replied to your reply at DYK suggestions, but I realize that the clutter on that page makes it unlikely folks will notice many new comments. So I posted it below, in a slightly altered form.

OK, sorry to direct the comment at you, but random comments at DYK aren't really helpful, especially to new users, a lot of new users don't even realize there is a hook length requirement (I know this is not a new user, but as much as we want everyone to read instructions, not everyone does, even established editors, this case being an example). I would say, that DYK hooks are like any material published to Wikipedia, if you don't want someone to edit it, don't publish it. IvoShandor 06:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

At least you link to the rule, but I think expecting everyone to come back and check for comments is a bit much, I would just hate to see quality material slip through the cracks because of ignored comments. I realize the work you do at DYK, and don't misunderstand me, it is greatly appreciated by me. IvoShandor 06:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I notice comments there because of how I look for errors, and I also answered there. One of the rules is to expect to come back and check for comments, by others not just me, and if you don't want any comments on DYK suggestions then that would be a major change indeed. If nobody else notices my length messages, the selecting administrator is supposed to edit for brevity anyway. Quality material would be more likely to slip through the cracks if I didn't say anything, and I'm not sure that a complete rewrite by me would be quality material any more. Art LaPella 14:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a big deal. IvoShandor 19:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK (nom)

Thank you Art for correcting my Dyk nomination. I was reading your user page a bit and really liked it when you said, dishonesty in religion is called faith, and dishonesty in science is called political correctness-spot on. Anyway, don't fix those mistakes I've already done in this message :) Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 06:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello, sir. I sincerely appreciate your copyedit in the article Asahiyama Zoo! For I'm not proficient in English as you (I'm such a ignoramus Asian dude!), I'll have lots of mistakes specially the way to put articles such as "the". Perhaps you might find other grammatical mistakes and typos in the articles I've written, so I'll be happy if you keep checkin me out, though I'll also keep attention not to have mistakes.

BTW, Asahikawa, Hokkaidō have been labeled so that it's cleaned up using prose. Perplexed at meaning of using "prose", but I'll just try to expand it next. The article would be smashing one if you cooperate after I write some.

With kindest regards --Daigaku2051 18:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I edited Asahikawa, Hokkaidō. Here are some things I couldn't fix because I didn't understand them: "There are about 130 rivers including the Ishikari River and Chūbetsu River, and over 740 bridges are located." 130 rivers and 740 bridges where? I don't think they would fit into a city. Did you mean 130 rivers and 740 bridges in Hokkaido? I changed "when the IJA 7th Division (第7師団) was settled" to "when the IJA 7th Division (第7師団) was posted there" (a noun going with the verb "settled" would usually be a family, a wilderness or a disagreement), but is that what you meant?

Your English is better than my second-best language (German). You probably looked up wikt:prose if necessary, so maybe someone used the word to refer to this Template talk:Did you know rule: "contain more than 1,500 characters (around 1.5 kilobytes) in main body text (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables)". Art LaPella 00:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I must say thank you so much again for English my edits. Actually, there are about 130 rivers and over 750 bridges in Asahikawa, and I added a source. I was also doubted if there're really over 750 bridges, but some sources prove it's true. I think the word "posted" was much preferable, that was what I wanted to mean, thanks! --Daigaku2051 08:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't read the Japanese reference but if there are 130 rivers in one city, then I think most of them would have to be small enough to jump over. In that case, a better translation would be "rivers and streams" or some synonym. We wouldn't normally use the word "river" unless it were at least 5 meters across and probably bigger. Also, in an American city we would direct a small stream into a culvert and bury it under a road, and we wouldn't call that construction a bridge. Art LaPella 19:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I've never known that you added a comment. I added "rivers and streams" to the article, but according to the source, there doesn't seem to be a distinction between bridges and culverts. It just says 750 "bridges" (橋) , not "culverts" (排水溝) . If you think it's too doubtful, I think it should be deleted. I'd like to try to count the number of bridges if there's really 750 in this city, but that's going to be a big project I think.... --Daigaku2051 13:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to direct your attention to the source. Now you've read it and I haven't, so you know something I don't know. Art LaPella 20:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

moved from userpage

Greetings, Art,

You helped me on my first posting (when I was Mycroft Watson) and have done so on subsequent questions.

I have asked for help (using "helpme") on "My Talk" regarding the following from the article Philo Vance:

User talk:Marshall H. Pinnix From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

Judging by the time you've spent on Wikipedia, I'm going to assume that blanking the Philo Vance article was an accident... not to worry, I've put it back. Accounting4Taste 01:09, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Or perhaps not, the second time. Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Philo Vance, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Accounting4Taste 01:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Why have you blanked the Philo Vance page three times in the last ten minutes? You haven't given an edit summary to explain to anyone why you're doing this, and it sure looks like deliberate vandalism. I'd appreciate an explanation. Accounting4Taste 01:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

helpme

Please see my explanation in "Discussion" for the article "Philo Vance" as to what I have done. I strongly deny that my additions were "original research"--they were reasonable additions to text normally found in encyclopedias. (I learned about "original research" from my exercise with "Blood Done Sign My Name" earlier this year.)

Accounting4Taste's accusation of "deliberate vandalism" is insulting without any justification. (I recall seeing in Wikipedia's rules that courtesy should be shown between editors.) My understanding is that any Wikipedia editor can make revisions to any article within the bounds of Wikipedia's guidelines and restrictions. If not, no articles would ever be improved from their original text. (I haven't complained when revisions were made to my previous postings other than "Blood Done Sign My Name.")

Finally, I add that Accounting4Taste has said in "Discussion" that he doesn't possess copies of all the Philo Vance books; I do.

Thanks for your help.

Marshall H. Pinnix 05:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have removed the helpme template because you have not posted any questions. Feel free to readd it if you have a question about using Wikipedia. Thank you. - Rjd0060 03:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC) I am looking for help!

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As you suggest, I am putting the "helpme" template back because I do have questions, stated above and below.

Marshall H. Pinnix 03:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anytime, but Items that are unverifiable or original research are not welcome here. Instead, what you might want to do, you may want to search Google or The Internet Movie Database. These two may help. And you may want to organize the talk sections a little so, next time, when you need help, I (or other people) will be able to help you. I'm not done yet, so I'll keep the {{helpme}} template on, for now. -Goodshoped35110sMy Talk!Contribs 03:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, -Goodshoped35110sMy Talk!Contribs

The Internet Movie Database. was not my doing. It was put there by Accounting4Taste in the original article (in the "Movies" section). I left it there out of respect to Accounting4Taste, the original author.

I don't understand what you suggest I go to Google for--there is nothing in my text that is unverifiable. When I quote or make reference to content of the adventures, I identify the particular novel from which directly taken. I can't vouch for the comments in the "Criticisms" section--except for the "Catalogue of Crime" one, which came directly from that book, page 520-- because the rest are those of the original author, Accounting4Taste.

Marshall H. Pinnix 03:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I'll send someone else to help you. Please put the {{helpme}} template back on, as I will search for another person. -Goodshoped35110sMy Talk!Contribs I am looking for help!

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Doing what you say immediately above.

Marshall H. Pinnix 04:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Back to you, Art,

I'll greatly appreciate your help.

   Best regards,

       Marshall H. Pinnix 05:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

• Art LaPella, I moved this over from your userpage and tl-piped the template links so as not to show up at Category:Wikipedians looking for help (which is how I got aware). — Dorf⁠, was: AldeBaer 07:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:Marshall H. Pinnix Art LaPella 01:49, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Hook length

Thanks for the note about the hook length at WP:DYK (6th October). I shortened it, but I was momentarily confused by the "310 character" bit. I thought you were asking me to reduce it to a limit of 310 characters. Could you possible put the "less than 200" bit in the initial link, as I had to scan the page to find what the limit was. I think the new one is 199, but that excludes wiki-mark-up (which isn't visible on the page for readers anyway). Thanks again. Carcharoth 10:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

PS. The suggestions section doesn't call the hook a hook. This could cause confusion. The current wording says "suggested facts should be short and concise (fewer than about 200 characters)". I think the link between 'fact' and 'hook' should be made explicit. Possibly it got changed at some point. Also, you say you don't include the '...' but do you include the '?' at the end? :-) Carcharoth 10:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I've made a few changes. Hope that makes things clearer. Carcharoth 10:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think I should explain any more in the initial link - the whole point of the link is to avoid taking over the page explaining such details, which makes everything else harder to find. My article's first sentence says to be shorter, and my second sentence explains the 200 limit for those who don't know it. It also refers repeatedly to the Suggestions paragraph which says "not the edit page containing Wikitext". User:Art LaPella/Long hook also says "In the rule quoted above, 'Suggested facts' means hooks, not articles", and I can't make everything more prominent than everything else. But I like the idea of one name for a hook as in your change - my article suggests the confusion that has caused in the past. I'll mention the "?" at the end. Art LaPella 14:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. FWIW (sorry, for what it's worth - just been reading your user page), I think you should either count both the ... and ? (they both take up screen space), or ignore both (they are both part of the surrounding boilerplate). Of course, some hooks are a short sentence ending in ?, followed by a short explanation sentence (still keeping under 200), so maybe that is a good enough reason to not bother. In a character counter, does the ... count as 1 or 3? I just checked - it is 3. That's a good enough reason to leave it out. I guess the hassle of trying to avoid selecting the ? is a good enough reason to include it. Well, it looks like I've talked myself into a corner here! So I'll stop there. Thanks. Carcharoth 15:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

My thought in counting "?" but not "..." was that a) nobody has ever disputed a count for that reason, b) if someone did make an issue out of 200 versus 203, then it would be helpful to point to a long history of doing it one way or the other, so I should be consistent c) ... is boilerplate but ? (or .) would be used at the end of any sentence. Whatever. Art LaPella 20:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Whatever. But that is beancounting for you! :-) (And I'm glad someone does it, otherwise DYK would be sprawling all over the place). It is tempting to try and squeeze as much as possible in, but short and catchy does it. Carcharoth 21:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Iantresman case

There's no active arbitration case right now, so it can go on WP:RCU. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to figure out how to submit a Check User. Now I think I did it well enough to be understood. Art LaPella 01:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me know if you need any help. --Akhilleus (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Art LaPella 20:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK - Patent "dead" link

Hi Art,

Thanks for your input on my DYK nomination. I answered your remark here:

Di you know:Articles created on October 18

Alberto Fernandez Fernandez 16:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Acknowledged. I presume this will be OK with other editors for DYK. Art LaPella 18:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)