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New Lost City Ramblers
New Lost City Ramblers
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Origin	New York City, New York, United States
Genres	Old-time, folk
Years active	1958–2019
Labels	Folkways
Past members	Mike Seeger ; John Cohen; Tom Paley; Tracy Schwarz

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The New Lost City Ramblers, or NLCR, was an American contemporary old-time string band that formed in New York City in 1958 during the folk revival. Mike Seeger, John Cohen and Tom Paley were its founding members. Tracy Schwarz replaced Paley, who left the group in 1962.^[1] Seeger died of cancer in 2009,^[2] Paley died in 2017, and Cohen died in 2019.^[3] NLCR participated in the old-time music revival, and directly influenced many later musicians.

Career[edit]

The Ramblers distinguished themselves by focusing on the traditional playing styles they heard on old 78rpm records of musicians recorded during the 1920s and 1930s, many of whom had earlier appeared on the Anthology of American Folk Music. The New Lost City Ramblers refused to "sanitize" these southern sounds as did other folk groups of the time, such as the Weavers or Kingston Trio. Instead, the Ramblers have always strived for an authentic sound.^[4] However, the Ramblers did not merely copy the old recordings that inspired them. Rather, they would use the various old-time styles they encountered while at the same time not becoming slaves to imitation.^{[citation needed]}

The Ramblers named themselves in response to a request by Moe Asch, based on an amalgam of a favorite tune, J. E. Mainer's "New Lost Train Blues"; a favorite group, Charlie Poole and the North Carolina Ramblers; and a reference to the urban settings in which they played old-timey music.^[5]

On Songs from the Depression, the New Lost City Ramblers performed a variety of popular political songs from the New Deal days, all but one of them taken from commercially issued 78s, and that one is "Keep Moving", identified in the album notes only as "from Tony Schwartz's collection — singer unidentified" ^[6] when actually it is by Agnes "Sis" Cunningham, the full title being "How Can You Keep On Moving (Unless You Migrate Too)". The omission later caused Ry Cooder, who listened to the Ramblers album, to record the song as Traditional on the first edition of his Into the Purple Valley album, an omission he gladly corrected when informed of it. Cooder also covered another song from the same New Lost City Ramblers album, which he may have heard on a poorly labeled cassette copy: "Taxes on the Farmer Feeds Us All" which the New Lost City Ramblers credit to Fiddling John Carson but which the Cooder notes still list as "traditional".^[7] The same is true of the track "Boomer's Story", covered by the Ramblers—Cooder credits it as "traditional", but the song was written by Carson Robison and first recorded by him in 1929 under the title "The Railroad Boomer".

In his autobiography, Chronicles: Volume One, Bob Dylan described the impression the Ramblers made on him when he heard their records in 1960:

Everything about them appealed to me—their style, their singing, their sound. I liked the way they looked, the way they dressed and I especially liked their name. Their songs rang the gamut in style, everything from mountain ballads to fiddle tunes and railway blues... I'd stay with the Ramblers for days. At the time, I didn't know they were replicating everything they did off old 78 records, but what would it have mattered anyway? It wouldn't have mattered at all. They had originality in spades, were men of mystery. I couldn't listen to them enough.^[8]

The group drifted apart during the latter half of the 1960s. Schwarz and Seeger performed with different musicians and together formed the short lived Strange Creek Singers.^[1]

The New Lost City Ramblers' extensive recordings for the Folkways label became, after the death of Moe Asch, part of the Smithsonian Institution, which reissues Folkways titles on CD.

John Cohen is said to have inspired the titular John of the Grateful Dead's 1970 song "Uncle John's Band".^[9]

Discography[edit]

The New Lost City Ramblers (1958) (Folkways Records)
Songs from the Depression (1959) (Folkways)^[10]
Old-Timey Songs For Children (1959) (Folkways)
The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. II (1960) (Folkways)
The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. III (1961) (Folkways)
Tom Paley, John Cohen, Mike Seeger Sing Songs of The New Lost City Ramblers (1961)
The New Lost City Ramblers (1961)
Earth Is Earth Sung by The New Lost City Bang Boys (1961) (Folkways)
The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. 4 (1962) (Folkways)
American Moonshine & Prohibition (1962) (Folkways)
The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. 5 (1963) (Folkways)
Gone to the Country (1963)
Radio Special # 1 (1963)
The New New Lost City Ramblers with Tracy Schwarz: Gone to the Country (1963) (Folkways)
String Band Instrumentals (1964) (Folkways)
Old Timey Music (1964)
Rural Delivery No. 1 (1965) (Folkways)
Remembrance of Things to Come (1966) (Folkways)
Modern Times (1968) (Folkways)
The New Lost City Ramblers with Cousin Emmy (1968) (Folkways)
On the Great Divide (1975) (Folkways)
20th Anniversary Concert (1978)
20 Years-Concert Performances (1978)
Tom Paley, John Cohen, and Mike Seeger Sing Songs of the New Lost City Ramblers (1978) (Folkways)
Old Time Music (1994)
The Early Years, 1958-1962 (1991) (Folkways)
Out Standing In Their Field-Vol. II, 1963-1973 (1993) (Smithsonian Folkways)
There Ain't No Way Out (1997) (Folkways)
40 Years of Concert Performances (2001)
50 Years: Where Do You Come From? Where Do You Go? (2009) (Smithsonian Folkways)

References[edit]

^ ^a ^b The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music, 1993, ISBN 0-85112-741-X
^ "Mike Seeger Cleared Paths, Showed Us The Way". Npr.org.
^ "Banjo Player, Folklorist, Photographer and Filmmaker John Cohen Has Died". Npr.org.
^ The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music, 1993, p. 208, ISBN 0-85112-741-X, Rather than ape their immediate predecessors who popularized the style, the trio preferred to invoke the music's original proponents, including Gid Tanner And His Skillet Lickers and the Carolina Tar Heels.
^ Gura, Philip F. "Roots and Branches: -Forty Years of the New Lost City Ramblers- Part I". The Old-Time Herald. Winter 1999/2000. Vol. 7, no. 2. Retrieved January 22, 2020.
^ FW05264 liner notes, also may be read at the Smithsonian site
^ Compare Smithsonian Folkways notes to "Into the Purple Valley"
^ Bob Dylan, Chronicles Volume One, 2004, p.238
^ Francescani, Chris (May 18, 2014). "Bob Dylan's 'Da Vinci Code' Revealed". Thedailybeast.com. Retrieved September 19, 2019.
^ "Smithsonian Folkways - Search". Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. Retrieved September 19, 2019.

External links[edit]

[auto-1] The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music, 1993, ISBN 0-85112-741-X

[2] "Mike Seeger Cleared Paths, Showed Us The Way". Npr.org.

[3] "Banjo Player, Folklorist, Photographer and Filmmaker John Cohen Has Died". Npr.org.

[4] The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music, 1993, p. 208, ISBN 0-85112-741-X, Rather than ape their immediate predecessors who popularized the style, the trio preferred to invoke the music's original proponents, including Gid Tanner And His Skillet Lickers and the Carolina Tar Heels.

[5] Gura, Philip F. "Roots and Branches: -Forty Years of the New Lost City Ramblers- Part I". The Old-Time Herald. Winter 1999/2000. Vol. 7, no. 2. Retrieved January 22, 2020.

[6] FW05264 liner notes, also may be read at the Smithsonian site

[7] Compare Smithsonian Folkways notes to "Into the Purple Valley"

[8] Bob Dylan, Chronicles Volume One, 2004, p.238

[9] Francescani, Chris (May 18, 2014). "Bob Dylan's 'Da Vinci Code' Revealed". Thedailybeast.com. Retrieved September 19, 2019.

[10] "Smithsonian Folkways - Search". Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. Retrieved September 19, 2019.

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-'''The New Lost City Ramblers,''' or NLCR, is a contemporary [[Old-time music|old-time]] [[String band (American music)|string band]] that formed in [[New York City]] in 1958 during the [[American folk music revival|Folk Revival]].  [[Mike Seeger]], [[John Cohen (musician)|John Cohen]], and [[Tom Paley]] were its founding members.  [[Tracy Schwarz]] replaced Paley, who left the group in 1962. <ref>{{citation | title = The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music | year = 1993 | ISBN = 0-85112-741-X}}</ref> Seeger died of cancer in 2009,<ref> [https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111693752 "New Lost City Ramblers Look Back at 50 Years."] </ref> and Paley died in 2017.  NLCR participated in the [[old-time music]] revival, and continued to directly influence many later musicians.
+The '''New Lost City Ramblers''', or '''NLCR''', was an American contemporary [[Old-time music|old-time]] [[String band (American music)|string band]] that formed in [[New York City]] in 1958 during the [[American folk music revival|folk revival]]. [[Mike Seeger]], [[John Cohen (musician)|John Cohen]] and [[Tom Paley]] were its founding members. [[Tracy Schwarz]] replaced Paley, who left the group in 1962.<ref name="auto">{{citation | title = The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music | year = 1993 | ISBN = 0-85112-741-X}}</ref> Seeger died of cancer in 2009,<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111693752|title=Mike Seeger Cleared Paths, Showed Us The Way|website=Npr.org}}</ref> Paley died in 2017, and Cohen died in 2019.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.npr.org/2019/09/17/761593122/banjo-player-folklorist-photographer-and-filmmaker-john-cohen-has-died|title=Banjo Player, Folklorist, Photographer and Filmmaker John Cohen Has Died|website=Npr.org}}</ref> NLCR participated in the [[old-time music]] revival, and directly influenced many later musicians.
 ==Career==
-The Ramblers distinguished themselves by focusing on the traditional playing styles they heard on old [[78rpm]] records of musicians recorded during the 1920s and 1930s, many of whom had earlier appeared on the ''[[Anthology of American Folk Music]]''. The New Lost City Ramblers refused to "sanitize" these southern sounds as did other [[folk music|folk groups]] of the time, such as [[the Weavers]] or [[Kingston Trio]].  Instead, the Ramblers have always strived for an ''authentic'' sound.<ref>{{citation | title = The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music | quote = Rather than ape their immediate predecessors who popularized the style, the trio preferred to invoke the music's original proponents, including Gid Tanner And His Skillet Lickers and the Carolina Tar Heels. | page = 208 | year = 1993 | ISBN = 0-85112-741-X}}</ref>  However, the Ramblers did not merely copy the old recordings that inspired them.  Rather, they would use the various [[Old-time music|old-time]] styles they encountered while at the same time not becoming slaves to imitation.
+The Ramblers distinguished themselves by focusing on the traditional playing styles they heard on old [[78rpm]] records of musicians recorded during the 1920s and 1930s, many of whom had earlier appeared on the ''[[Anthology of American Folk Music]]''. The New Lost City Ramblers refused to "sanitize" these southern sounds as did other [[folk music|folk groups]] of the time, such as [[the Weavers]] or [[Kingston Trio]]. Instead, the Ramblers have always strived for an ''authentic'' sound.<ref>{{citation | title = The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music | quote = Rather than ape their immediate predecessors who popularized the style, the trio preferred to invoke the music's original proponents, including Gid Tanner And His Skillet Lickers and the Carolina Tar Heels. | page = 208 | year = 1993 | ISBN = 0-85112-741-X}}</ref> However, the Ramblers did not merely copy the old recordings that inspired them. Rather, they would use the various [[Old-time music|old-time]] styles they encountered while at the same time not becoming slaves to imitation.{{cn|date=June 2021}}
+The Ramblers named themselves in response to a request by [[Moses Asch | Moe Asch]], based on
-On ''Songs From the Depression'', the New Lost City Ramblers performed a variety of popular political songs from the New Deal days, all but one of them taken from commercially issued 78s, and that one is "Keep Moving," identified in the album notes only as "from [[Tony Schwartz (American sound archivist)|Tony Schwartz]]'s collection &mdash; singer unidentified" <ref>FW05264 liner notes, also may be read at the Smithsonian site</ref> when actually it is by [[Agnes "Sis" Cunningham]], the full title being "How Can You Keep On Moving (Unless You Migrate Too)." The omission later caused [[Ry Cooder]], who listened to the Ramblers album, to record the song as Traditional on the first edition of his ''[[Into the Purple Valley]]'' album, an omission he gladly corrected when informed of it. Cooder also covered another song from the same New Lost City Ramblers album, which he may have heard on a poorly labeled cassette copy: "Taxes on the Farmer Feeds Us All" which the New Lost City Ramblers credit to Fiddling John Carson but which the Cooder notes still list as "traditional."<ref>Compare Smithsonian Folkways notes to "[[Into the Purple Valley]]"</ref> The same is true of the track "[[Boomer's Story]]," covered by the Ramblers—Cooder credits it as "traditional," but the song was written by [[Carson Robison]] and first recorded by him in 1929 under the title "The Railroad Boomer."
+an amalgam of a favorite tune, [[J. E. Mainer]]'s "New Lost Train Blues"; a favorite group, [[Charlie Poole | Charlie Poole and the North Carolina Ramblers]]; and a reference to the urban settings in which they played [[old-timey music]].<ref>{{Cite news|
+url=http://www.oldtimeherald.org/archive/back_issues/volume-7/7-2/nlcr1.html|
+work=The Old-Time Herald|
+volume=7|
+number=2|
+series=Winter 1999/2000|
+title=Roots and Branches: -Forty Years of the New Lost City Ramblers- Part I|
+first=Philip F.|
+last=Gura|
+accessdate=January 22, 2020}}</ref>
+On ''Songs from the Depression'', the New Lost City Ramblers performed a variety of popular political songs from the [[New Deal]] days, all but one of them taken from commercially issued 78s, and that one is "Keep Moving", identified in the album notes only as "from [[Tony Schwartz (American sound archivist)|Tony Schwartz]]'s collection &mdash; singer unidentified" <ref>FW05264 liner notes, also may be read at the Smithsonian site</ref> when actually it is by [[Agnes "Sis" Cunningham]], the full title being "How Can You Keep On Moving (Unless You Migrate Too)". The omission later caused [[Ry Cooder]], who listened to the Ramblers album, to record the song as Traditional on the first edition of his ''[[Into the Purple Valley]]'' album, an omission he gladly corrected when informed of it. Cooder also covered another song from the same New Lost City Ramblers album, which he may have heard on a poorly labeled cassette copy: "Taxes on the Farmer Feeds Us All" which the New Lost City Ramblers credit to Fiddling John Carson but which the Cooder notes still list as "traditional".<ref>Compare Smithsonian Folkways notes to "[[Into the Purple Valley]]"</ref> The same is true of the track "[[Boomer's Story]]", covered by the Ramblers—Cooder credits it as "traditional", but the song was written by [[Carson Robison]] and first recorded by him in 1929 under the title "The Railroad Boomer".
-The group drifted apart during the latter half of the 60s. Schwarz and Seeger performed with different musicians and together formed the short lived Strange Creek Singers.<ref>{{citation | title = The Guinness Who's Who of Folk Music | year = 1993 | ISBN = 0-85112-741-X}}</ref>
+In his autobiography, ''[[Chronicles: Volume One]]'', [[Bob Dylan]] described the impression the Ramblers made on him when he heard their records in 1960:
+{{quote|Everything about them appealed to me—their style, their singing, their sound. I liked the way they looked, the way they dressed and I especially liked their name. Their songs rang the gamut in style, everything from mountain ballads to fiddle tunes and railway blues... I'd stay with the Ramblers for days. At the time, I didn't know they were replicating everything they did off old 78 records, but what would it have mattered anyway? It wouldn't have mattered at all. They had originality in spades, were men of mystery. I couldn't listen to them enough.<ref>Bob Dylan, ''Chronicles Volume One'', 2004, p.238</ref>}}
+The group drifted apart during the latter half of the 1960s. Schwarz and Seeger performed with different musicians and together formed the short lived Strange Creek Singers.<ref name="auto"/>
 The New Lost City Ramblers' extensive recordings for the [[Folkways Records|Folkways]] label became, after the death of [[Moe Asch]], part of the [[Smithsonian Institution]], which reissues Folkways titles on CD.
+John Cohen is said to have inspired the titular John of the [[Grateful Dead]]'s 1970 song "[[Uncle John's Band]]".<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/18/bob-dylan-s-da-vinci-code-revealed|title=Bob Dylan’s ‘Da Vinci Code’ Revealed|first=Chris|last=Francescani|date=May 18, 2014|website=Thedailybeast.com|accessdate=September 19, 2019}}</ref>
 == Discography ==
 * ''The New Lost City Ramblers'' (1958) ([[Folkways Records]])
+* ''Songs from the Depression'' (1959) (Folkways)<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://folkways.si.edu/Search/?aspxerrorpath=/search/AlbumDetails.aspx|title=Smithsonian Folkways - Search|website=Smithsonian Folkways Recordings|accessdate=September 19, 2019}}</ref>
-* ''The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. II'' (1959) (Folkways)
-* ''Songs From the Depression'' (1959): see [http://www.folkways.si.edu/search/AlbumDetails.aspx?ID=953] (Folkways)
 * ''Old-Timey Songs For Children'' (1959) (Folkways)
+* ''The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. II'' (1960) (Folkways)
 * ''The New Lost City Ramblers Vol. III'' (1961) (Folkways)
 * ''Tom Paley, John Cohen, Mike Seeger Sing Songs of The New Lost City Ramblers'' (1961)
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 * ''Modern Times'' (1968) (Folkways)
 * ''The New Lost City Ramblers with Cousin Emmy'' (1968) (Folkways)
-* ''On the Great Divide'' (1973) (Folkways)
+* ''On the Great Divide'' (1975) (Folkways)
 * ''20th Anniversary Concert'' (1978)
 * ''20 Years-Concert Performances'' (1978)
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 * [http://www.wirz.de/music/nlcr.htm Illustrated New Lost City Ramblers discography]
 * [http://www.wirz.de/music/paley.htm Illustrated Tom Paley discography]
-* [http://www.folkways.si.edu/searchresults.aspx?sPhrase=new%20lost%20city%20ramblers&sType='phrase' Discography at Smithsonian Folkways Recordings]
+* [https://web.archive.org/web/20120531020722/http://www.folkways.si.edu/searchresults.aspx?sPhrase=new%20lost%20city%20ramblers&sType='phrase' Discography at Smithsonian Folkways Recordings]
 * [http://www.downhomeradioshow.com/2008/12/the-new-lost-city-ramblers-50-years-interview-with-john-cohen-tom-paley/ Interview with John Cohen & Tom Paley - 50th year of NLCR]
-*[http://www.alwaysbeenarambler.org/ new (2009) documentary film about the New Lost City Ramblers, with Mike Seeger, John Cohen, Tom Paley, Tracy Schwarz and many others] (link broken)
+*[https://web.archive.org/web/20090422032901/http://www.alwaysbeenarambler.org/ new (2009) documentary film about the New Lost City Ramblers, with Mike Seeger, John Cohen, Tom Paley, Tracy Schwarz and many others] (link broken)
 * [https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111971414 NPR Radio Piece about 50th Anniversary of the New Lost City Ramblers]
+* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3m12SlBSds Oldtone Roots Music Festival Tribute Video by Fred Robbins]
+* [http://frobbi.org/audioslides/nlcr1968 New Lost City Ramblers at Davidson College Photos, May 1968 by Fred Robbins]
+* [http://frobbi.org/audio/nlcr1975 New Lost City Ramblers, Towne Crier Cafe, Beekman, NY, Feb. 24, 1975 by Fred Robbins]
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