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In [[mathematical analysis]], '''Fubini's theorem''', named after [[Guido Fubini]], states that if
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'''Future Events''':
:<math>\int_{A\times B} |f(x,y)|\,d(x,y)<\infty,</math>


Her next tour is planned for the fall of 2005, and she is scheduled to appear on ''[[The Oprah Winfrey Show]]'' in October, both to sing and to discuss the ''SNL'' incident. Simpson has said that she would like to return to ''SNL'', although nothing has been confirmed as of [[September 2005]]. Her second album, ''[[I Am Me]]'', featuring the single "[[Boyfriend (song)|Boyfriend]]", is scheduled for release on [[October 18]], [[2005]]. {{ref|mtvinanotherlife}}
the integral being taken with respect to a [[product measure]] on the space over <math>A\times B</math>, where ''A'' and ''B'' are complete [[measure (mathematics)|measure spaces]], then


== Favor ==
:<math>\int_A\left(\int_B f(x,y)\,dy\right)\,dx=\int_B\left(\int_A f(x,y)\,dx\right)\,dy=\int_{A\times B} f(x,y)\,d(x,y),</math>


Could somebody separate her music career, movie career and the controversies?
the first two integrals being iterated integrals with respect to two measures respectively, and the third being an integral with respect to a product of these two measures. Also,


== Featured Music Project evaluation ==
:<math>\int_A f(x)\, dx \int_B g(y)\, dy = \int_{A\times B} f(x)g(y)\,d(x,y)</math>


{{Wikipedia:Featured Music Project/Ashlee Simpson}}
the third integral being with respect to a product measure.


== Plastic Surgery? ==
If the above integral of the absolute value is not finite, then the two iterated integrals may actually have different values. See [[#Rearranging a conditionally convergent iterated integral|below]] for an illustration of this possibility.


Should there be a section or content reffering to Ashlee's recent plastic surgery? I think so, it's a pretty big change. She looks more like Sarah Michelle Gellar now.
Another version of Fubini's theorem states that if ''A'' and ''B'' are [[sigma-finite]] measure spaces, not necessarily complete, and if either <math>\int_A\left(\int_B |f(x,y)|\,dy\right)\,dx<\infty</math> or <math>\int_B\left(\int_A |f(x,y)|\,dx\right)\,dy<\infty</math>, then <math>\int_{A\times B} |f(x,y)|\,d(x,y)<\infty</math> and
<math>\int_A\left(\int_B f(x,y)\,dy\right)\,dx=\int_B\left(\int_A f(x,y)\,dx\right)\,dy=\int_{A\times B} f(x,y)\,d(x,y).</math> In this version the condition that the measures are sigma-finite is necessary.


Yeah, she looks completely different. She seems even more like a poser to me then she did before:)


== invisible in 'i am me' ==


i removed references from the two sections stating that invisible is from 'i am me' unless that's something they do in music, where new singles are associated with the most recent album. if that's the case revert my edit.
==Tonelli's theorem==
'''Tonelli's theorem''' (named after [[Leonida Tonelli]]) is a successor of Fubini's theorem. The conclusion of Tonelli's theorem is identical to that of Fubini's theorem, but the assumptions are different. Tonelli's theorem states that on the product of two [[Sigma-finite measure|σ-finite measure spaces]], a product measure integral can be evaluated by way of an iterated integral for ''nonnegative'' measurable functions, regardless of whether they have finite integral.


== tatoos ==
In fact, the existence of the first integral above (the integral of the absolute value), can be guaranteed by Tonelli's theorem (see below).


i guess she has one more tatoo on her middle finger:
A formal statement of Tonelli's theorem is identical to that of Fubini's theorem, except that the requirements are now that (''X'', ''A'', μ) and (''Y'', ''B'', ν) are σ-finite measure spaces, while ''f'' maps ''X''×''Y'' to [0, ∞].
http://www.ashlee-s.com/09livingbydesign/images/tattoo.png


==Applications==
== Legal Name ==


so Ashlee is married right:
One of the most beautiful applications of Fubini's theorem is the evaluation of the [[Gaussian integral]] which is the basis for much of probability theory:
''Simpson married Fall Out Boy bassist Pete Wentz on May 17, 2008''
did she take his surname cause that needs to be looked into if she did take his surname that what she's called legally <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.22.206.205|82.22.206.205]] ([[User talk:82.22.206.205|talk]]) 07:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


According to People magazine, she has taken the last name of Wentz and will be going by the stage name of Simpson-Wentz. [[User:Rylee Smith|Rylee Smith]] ([[User talk:Rylee Smith|talk]]) 18:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:<math>\int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2}\,dx = \sqrt{\pi}.</math>
:I can't find it on the website, is it only in the magazine itself? If it's on the site, please post a direct link. [[User:Ariadne55|Ariadne55]] ([[User talk:Ariadne55|talk]]) 18:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


I don't know if it's on the website, but the magazine article does indeed say she's Wentz and going by Simpson-Wentz onstage. [[User:PurplePlaidElephant|PurplePlaidElephant]] ([[User talk:PurplePlaidElephant|talk]]) 01:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
To see how Fubini's theorem is used to prove this, see [[Gaussian integral]].
:Cite the magazine article as the source for your edit (you'll need the page # etc.). The template for a magazine cite is about halfway down this page [[WP:CIT]]. [[User:Ariadne55|Ariadne55]] ([[User talk:Ariadne55|talk]]) 06:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


You can change the page to Ashlee Simpson-Wentz[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080528/ap_en_ce/people_ashlee_simpson_wentz;_ylt=AssyBXnP.cJyYXgKtojrA1Ws0NU]--[[User:Jack Cox|Jack Cox]] ([[User talk:Jack Cox|talk]]) 20:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Another nice use of Tonelli's theorem is to apply it to <math> |f(x,y)|</math> for a complex valued function <math>f </math>.


Unfortunately I have not checked this article in over a month. What she calls herself is irrelevant; only what the world calls her matters. So I checked Google News: 2,753 hits for "Ashlee Simpson", 489 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". I feel this demonstrates that "Ashlee Simpson" is still the correct title. Does anyone oppose moving it back? [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 19:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It is useful to note that if


*I was going to say the same thing. Her legal name is irrelevant, this article should be at the most commonly used name that most people know her by, which is obviously Ashlee Simpson. [[Special:Contributions/92.1.2.237|92.1.2.237]] ([[User talk:92.1.2.237|talk]]) 22:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:<math> \varphi(x)=\int |f(x,y)|\,dy</math> and <math> \int \varphi(x)\, dx <\infty, </math>
**Yes, and even her official website still calls her "Ashlee Simpson". [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 23:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


I will move the page back to "Ashlee Simpson" in 24 hours unless there is an objection, or unless Google News indicates a significant trend toward general adoption of the "Simpson-Wentz" name. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 18:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
then


I searched Ashlee Simpson as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz and pages are starting to refer to her as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz. Let's keep the article as-is. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.151.137.19|24.151.137.19]] ([[User talk:24.151.137.19|talk]]) 19:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:<math> \int |f(x,y)| \, d(x,y) < \infty.</math>


Yeah, I've searched her as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz in Google News, and they've started referring to her as Ashlee '''Simpson-Wentz'''. The article is fine the way that it is. [[User:68DANNY2|68DANNY2]] ([[User talk:68DANNY2|talk]]) 19:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
This is often a useful way to check the conditions of Fubini's theorem.


:You can see the numbers I posted a few days ago above. The current numbers are 3,358 for "Ashlee Simpson" and 559 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". I don't see a trend towards the latter. Most of the newest articles refer to her as "Ashlee Simpson". [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 19:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
===Rearranging a conditionally convergent iterated integral===


Considering that she got married a couple weeks ago, I think that 559 results as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz is a good number of articles. It will probably increase as more articles are written. [[User:68DANNY2|68DANNY2]] ([[User talk:68DANNY2|talk]]) 19:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The [[double integral|iterated integral]]
:If that were the case, we'd see a trend, but what I see is that there was a spike in the use of the new name after it was announced, but that subsequently most sources continued to use the old name. The results indicate to me that the new name hasn't caught on. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 19:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


Read this: [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20202767,00.html]
:<math>\int_0^1\int_0^1 \frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dy\,dx</math>
she's taking Pete's surname and is going by Simpson-Wentz professionally. I think this settles this dicussion. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.137.19|24.151.137.19]] ([[User talk:24.151.137.19|talk]]) 19:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The point is that it doesn't matter what she calls herself. Wikipedia articles are titled according to the ''common name'' of the subject. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 19:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


Exactly. Ashlee is changing her common name. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.137.19|24.151.137.19]] ([[User talk:24.151.137.19|talk]]) 19:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
does not [[absolute convergence|converge absolutely]] (i.e. the integral of the
:''She'' can't change her common name. Her common name is decided according to what people want to call her. If they now start calling her Ashlee Simpson-Wentz, then that's her new common name, but if they keep calling her Ashlee Simpson, then that remains her common name. That's why I've been comparing Google News results, to see whether this new name is really catching on. Also, as I pointed out, her website still uses her old name, but maybe they're just lazy. Since there are two of you in favor of keeping it at this title, I propose that we wait one week, then look at the results again and see if there's more of a shift towards Simpson-Wentz. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 20:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[[absolute value]] is not finite):


I just noticed that Danny has been going around changing the articles on her albums so that they are described as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz albums. Considering we don't even have a consensus on what she should be called ''now'', I don't think it's appropriate to try to extend the Simpson-Wentz name to album articles which were released under the Ashlee Simpson name before she married Pete. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 20:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:<math>\int_0^1\int_0^1
\left|\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\right|\,dy\,dx=\infty.</math>


I've searched Google News for Ashlee Simpson, which had 3,162 results, and Ashlee Simpson-Wentz, which had 1,613 results. So clearly, the results for Ashlee Simpson are dropping while results for Ashlee Simpson-Wentz are increasing. But, as Everyking said, her official website still calls her Ashlee Simpson. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.137.19|24.151.137.19]] ([[User talk:24.151.137.19|talk]]) 19:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Fubini's theorem tells us that if the integral of the absolute
:2,659 for "Ashlee Simpson", 490 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". Put them in quotes when searching for the most accurate results. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 04:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
value is finite, then the order of integration does not matter;
if we integrate first with respect to ''x'' and then with respect
to ''y'', we get the same result as if we integrate first with
respect to ''y'' and then with respect to ''x''. The assumption
that the integral of the absolute value is finite is
"[[Lebesgue integral|Lebesgue integrability]]". That the
assumption of Lebesgue integrability in Fubini's theorem
cannot be dropped can be seen by examining this particular
iterated integral. Clearly putting "''dx'' ''dy''" in place
of "''dy'' ''dx''" has the effect of multiplying the value of
the integral by −1 because of the "antisymmetry" of the
function being integrated. Therefore, unless the value of the
integral is zero, putting "''dx'' ''dy''" in place of
"''dy'' ''dx''" actually changes the value of the integral.
That is indeed what happens in this case.


*I was the IP who agree with this proposal before. Since some/all editors disagreeing with this don't understand the naming conventions, I suggest Everyking should list this at Requested Moves and get a more informed consensus that way. Also, was there even any consensus to move this article to "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz"? If not it should be moved back, and if anyone wants to create a discussion they can do so. [[Special:Contributions/92.1.103.20|92.1.103.20]] ([[User talk:92.1.103.20|talk]]) 04:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
====Proof====


AS now has 1,322 hits on Google News against 481 for ASW. I've noticed a number of articles reference her as Simpson in the title but as Simpson-Wentz in the body: [http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j80EFeT9PgjWrQa90kQIVrb8-ayQD90V51LO0]. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 16:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
One way to do this without using Fubini's theorem is as follows:


Premature and ill-judged move. The [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)|naming conventions]] make it clear that we always use the most common, ''not'' legal/real name, of people. Wikipedia articles don't change titles just because (part of) the media is ''starting'' to change how they call a subject. Editors should have waited until Simpson-Wentz actually becomes the most used name worldwide. It's already a few months after marriage, but as I see Simpson Ghits still vastly outnumber Simpson-Wentz. Since there is no real basis for the (apparently not backed up by consensus) move, we'd better move back immediately. Also, for a good example, Sarah Michelle Prinze's article still stays as [[Sarah Michelle Gellar]] after legal name changed. In short, I'll be moving this page back to original title if no evidence is shown to verify that Simpson-Wentz is the more used name. --[[User:PeaceNT|PeaceNT]] ([[User talk:PeaceNT|talk]]) 16:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:<math>\int_0^1\int_0^1
:I've just moved the template back to "[[Template:Ashlee Simpson]]" to match the main article title. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 20:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
\left|\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\right|\,dx\,dy=\int_0^1\left[\int_0^y
::I support this move, of course. The article still refers to her as "Simpson-Wentz" every time it uses her name, though. I'd say we should also change that back to be consistent. Also, the article gives her legal name as "Ashlee Nicole Wentz", but (although I have no way of knowing for certain) it seems more likely that it's "Ashlee Simpson Wentz", since the maiden name normally takes the place of the middle name upon marriage. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 20:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
\frac{y^2-x^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dx+\int_y^1\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dx\right]\,dy</math>
:::I was about to ask regarding what to refer to Ashlee as: in parts, she's referred to as "Simpson-Wentz" and in others she's referred to as "Simpson". Which is the correct one, and secondly, shouldn't it be consistent throughout the article? Are there any good sources regarding her name change available? [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 20:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:<math>=\int_0^1\left(\frac{1}{2y}+\frac{1}{2y}-\frac{1}{y^2+1}\right)\,dy=\int_0^1 \frac{1}{y}\,dy-\int_0^1\frac{1}{1+y^2}\,dy.</math>
:::There's no evidence that she's changed her middle name from Nicole to Simpson. She might just as easily have kept Nicole as her middle name and/or added Simpson as a second middle name. In America, of the 90% of women who change their surname, only about half change their middle name. [[User:Ariadne55|Ariadne55]] ([[User talk:Ariadne55|talk]]) 21:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, well, we don't have any evidence either way, so I don't know what to do about it. A relatively simple solution would be "Ashlee Simpson, also known as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz (born Ashley Nicole Simpson)...". That would at least avoid making any guesses. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 22:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::We have evidence of her middle name being Nicole. That shouldn't be changed on the page unless there's evidence that she's changed her middle name. Her last name wasn't changed on the page until there was a cite for it, but we didn't change her to just "Ashlee" while we waited. [[User:Ariadne55|Ariadne55]] ([[User talk:Ariadne55|talk]]) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::During an interview on People.com, Ashlee had said that she had changed her surname from Simpson to Wentz, saying that she felt it is a great tradition. She also said that she is profesionally going by Ashlee Simpson-Wentz. I hope this clears up confusion about her legal name. This link is cited on the article. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.137.221|24.151.137.221]] ([[User talk:24.151.137.221|talk]]) 16:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


====Evaluation====
==Depressing==
It continually depresses me to see things like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ashlee_Simpson&diff=236344640&oldid=236340201 this] being added to this and other Ashlee articles, as well as the Ashlee template. All of that stuff was ''completely made up''. Yesterday I reverted someone who had created an entire article based on the completely false idea that "Murder" was going to be released as a single; they had also included "Murder" on the singles discography and the template. Sometimes this kind of misinformation sticks around for a while, spreading to fan sites in the process. Some people will take it as fact, because it's on Wikipedia, while for others it will only reinforce the notion that Wikipedia is full of unreliable junk. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] ([[User talk:Everyking|talk]]) 23:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, we consider the "inside" integral.

:<math>\int_0^1\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dy</math>
:<math>= \int_0^1 \frac{x^2 + y^2 - 2y^2}{(x^2 + y^2)^2} \, dy</math>
:<math>= \int_0^1 \frac{1}{x^2 + y^2} \, dy + \int_0^1 \frac{-2y^2}{(x^2 + y^2)^2} \, dy</math>
:<math>= \int_0^1 \frac{1}{x^2 + y^2} \, dy + \int_0^1 y \left(\frac{d}{dy} \frac{1}{x^2 + y^2}\right) \, dy</math>
:<math>= \int_0^1 \frac{1}{x^2 + y^2} \, dy + \left(\left[\frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}\right]_{y=0}^1 - \int_0^1 \frac{1}{x^2 + y^2} \, dy\right)</math> (by parts)
:<math>= \frac{1}{1 + x^2}.</math>

This takes care of the "inside" integral with respect to ''y'';
now we do the "outside" integral with respect to ''x'':

:<math>\int_0^1\frac{1}{1+x^2}\,dx
=\left[\arctan(x)\right]_0^1

=\arctan(1)-\arctan(0)=\frac{\pi}{4}.</math>

Thus we have

:<math>\int_0^1\int_0^1\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dy\,dx=\frac{\pi}{4}</math>

and

:<math>\int_0^1\int_0^1\frac{x^2-y^2}{(x^2+y^2)^2}\,dx\,dy=-\frac{\pi}{4}.</math>

Fubini's theorem implies that since these two iterated integrals differ, the integral of the absolute value must be &infin;.

====Statement====

When

:<math>\int_a^b\int_c^d \left|f(x,y)\right|\,dy\,dx=\infty</math>

then the two iterated integrals

:<math>\int_a^b\int_c^d f(x,y)\,dy\,dx\ \mbox{and}\ \int_c^d\int_a^b f(x,y)\,dx\,dy</math>

may have different finite values.

== Strong versions of Fubini's theorem ==

The existence of strengthenings of [[Fubini's theorem]], where the function is no longer assumed to be measurable but merely that the two iterated integrals are well defined and exist, is independent of the standard [[Zermelo–Fraenkel axioms]] of [[set theory]]. [[Martin's axiom]] implies that there exists a function on the unit square whose iterated integrals are not equal, while a variant of [[Freiling's axiom of symmetry]] implies that in fact a strong Fubini-type theorem for [0,&nbsp;1] does hold, and whenever the two iterated integrals exist they are equal<ref>Chris Freiling, ''Axioms of symmetry: throwing darts at the real number line'', J. Symbolic Logic 51 (1986), no. 1, 190&ndash;200.</ref>. See [[List of statements undecidable in ZFC]].



==References==
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Future Events:

Her next tour is planned for the fall of 2005, and she is scheduled to appear on The Oprah Winfrey Show in October, both to sing and to discuss the SNL incident. Simpson has said that she would like to return to SNL, although nothing has been confirmed as of September 2005. Her second album, I Am Me, featuring the single "Boyfriend", is scheduled for release on October 18, 2005. [1]

Favor

Could somebody separate her music career, movie career and the controversies?

Featured Music Project evaluation

Ashlee Simpson has been evaluated according to the Featured Music Project criteria, most recently affirmed as of this revision. The article's most important issues are listed below. Since this evaluation, the article may have been improved.

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  • Lead: Needs to be a longer and more comprehensive summary
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  • Needs print sources, musical style, influences and legacy, but that may be impossible due to the recentness of her career; still, more substantial sources would be good
  • Discography presumably complete, but seems to be giving a lot of information that may be better in a subpage
  • Format and style good, but the external links ought to be trimmed, or it ought to be made more clear why those are useful

Plastic Surgery?

Should there be a section or content reffering to Ashlee's recent plastic surgery? I think so, it's a pretty big change. She looks more like Sarah Michelle Gellar now.

Yeah, she looks completely different. She seems even more like a poser to me then she did before:)

invisible in 'i am me'

i removed references from the two sections stating that invisible is from 'i am me' unless that's something they do in music, where new singles are associated with the most recent album. if that's the case revert my edit.

tatoos

i guess she has one more tatoo on her middle finger: http://www.ashlee-s.com/09livingbydesign/images/tattoo.png

Legal Name

so Ashlee is married right: Simpson married Fall Out Boy bassist Pete Wentz on May 17, 2008 did she take his surname cause that needs to be looked into if she did take his surname that what she's called legally —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.206.205 (talk) 07:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

According to People magazine, she has taken the last name of Wentz and will be going by the stage name of Simpson-Wentz. Rylee Smith (talk) 18:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't find it on the website, is it only in the magazine itself? If it's on the site, please post a direct link. Ariadne55 (talk) 18:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's on the website, but the magazine article does indeed say she's Wentz and going by Simpson-Wentz onstage. PurplePlaidElephant (talk) 01:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Cite the magazine article as the source for your edit (you'll need the page # etc.). The template for a magazine cite is about halfway down this page WP:CIT. Ariadne55 (talk) 06:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

You can change the page to Ashlee Simpson-Wentz[2]--Jack Cox (talk) 20:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have not checked this article in over a month. What she calls herself is irrelevant; only what the world calls her matters. So I checked Google News: 2,753 hits for "Ashlee Simpson", 489 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". I feel this demonstrates that "Ashlee Simpson" is still the correct title. Does anyone oppose moving it back? Everyking (talk) 19:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I was going to say the same thing. Her legal name is irrelevant, this article should be at the most commonly used name that most people know her by, which is obviously Ashlee Simpson. 92.1.2.237 (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Yes, and even her official website still calls her "Ashlee Simpson". Everyking (talk) 23:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I will move the page back to "Ashlee Simpson" in 24 hours unless there is an objection, or unless Google News indicates a significant trend toward general adoption of the "Simpson-Wentz" name. Everyking (talk) 18:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I searched Ashlee Simpson as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz and pages are starting to refer to her as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz. Let's keep the article as-is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.137.19 (talk) 19:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've searched her as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz in Google News, and they've started referring to her as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz. The article is fine the way that it is. 68DANNY2 (talk) 19:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

You can see the numbers I posted a few days ago above. The current numbers are 3,358 for "Ashlee Simpson" and 559 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". I don't see a trend towards the latter. Most of the newest articles refer to her as "Ashlee Simpson". Everyking (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Considering that she got married a couple weeks ago, I think that 559 results as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz is a good number of articles. It will probably increase as more articles are written. 68DANNY2 (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

If that were the case, we'd see a trend, but what I see is that there was a spike in the use of the new name after it was announced, but that subsequently most sources continued to use the old name. The results indicate to me that the new name hasn't caught on. Everyking (talk) 19:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Read this: [3] she's taking Pete's surname and is going by Simpson-Wentz professionally. I think this settles this dicussion. 24.151.137.19 (talk) 19:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

The point is that it doesn't matter what she calls herself. Wikipedia articles are titled according to the common name of the subject. Everyking (talk) 19:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. Ashlee is changing her common name. 24.151.137.19 (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

She can't change her common name. Her common name is decided according to what people want to call her. If they now start calling her Ashlee Simpson-Wentz, then that's her new common name, but if they keep calling her Ashlee Simpson, then that remains her common name. That's why I've been comparing Google News results, to see whether this new name is really catching on. Also, as I pointed out, her website still uses her old name, but maybe they're just lazy. Since there are two of you in favor of keeping it at this title, I propose that we wait one week, then look at the results again and see if there's more of a shift towards Simpson-Wentz. Everyking (talk) 20:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that Danny has been going around changing the articles on her albums so that they are described as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz albums. Considering we don't even have a consensus on what she should be called now, I don't think it's appropriate to try to extend the Simpson-Wentz name to album articles which were released under the Ashlee Simpson name before she married Pete. Everyking (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I've searched Google News for Ashlee Simpson, which had 3,162 results, and Ashlee Simpson-Wentz, which had 1,613 results. So clearly, the results for Ashlee Simpson are dropping while results for Ashlee Simpson-Wentz are increasing. But, as Everyking said, her official website still calls her Ashlee Simpson. 24.151.137.19 (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

2,659 for "Ashlee Simpson", 490 for "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz". Put them in quotes when searching for the most accurate results. Everyking (talk) 04:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
  • I was the IP who agree with this proposal before. Since some/all editors disagreeing with this don't understand the naming conventions, I suggest Everyking should list this at Requested Moves and get a more informed consensus that way. Also, was there even any consensus to move this article to "Ashlee Simpson-Wentz"? If not it should be moved back, and if anyone wants to create a discussion they can do so. 92.1.103.20 (talk) 04:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

AS now has 1,322 hits on Google News against 481 for ASW. I've noticed a number of articles reference her as Simpson in the title but as Simpson-Wentz in the body: [4]. Everyking (talk) 16:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Premature and ill-judged move. The naming conventions make it clear that we always use the most common, not legal/real name, of people. Wikipedia articles don't change titles just because (part of) the media is starting to change how they call a subject. Editors should have waited until Simpson-Wentz actually becomes the most used name worldwide. It's already a few months after marriage, but as I see Simpson Ghits still vastly outnumber Simpson-Wentz. Since there is no real basis for the (apparently not backed up by consensus) move, we'd better move back immediately. Also, for a good example, Sarah Michelle Prinze's article still stays as Sarah Michelle Gellar after legal name changed. In short, I'll be moving this page back to original title if no evidence is shown to verify that Simpson-Wentz is the more used name. --PeaceNT (talk) 16:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I've just moved the template back to "Template:Ashlee Simpson" to match the main article title. Acalamari 20:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I support this move, of course. The article still refers to her as "Simpson-Wentz" every time it uses her name, though. I'd say we should also change that back to be consistent. Also, the article gives her legal name as "Ashlee Nicole Wentz", but (although I have no way of knowing for certain) it seems more likely that it's "Ashlee Simpson Wentz", since the maiden name normally takes the place of the middle name upon marriage. Everyking (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I was about to ask regarding what to refer to Ashlee as: in parts, she's referred to as "Simpson-Wentz" and in others she's referred to as "Simpson". Which is the correct one, and secondly, shouldn't it be consistent throughout the article? Are there any good sources regarding her name change available? Acalamari 20:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
There's no evidence that she's changed her middle name from Nicole to Simpson. She might just as easily have kept Nicole as her middle name and/or added Simpson as a second middle name. In America, of the 90% of women who change their surname, only about half change their middle name. Ariadne55 (talk) 21:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, well, we don't have any evidence either way, so I don't know what to do about it. A relatively simple solution would be "Ashlee Simpson, also known as Ashlee Simpson-Wentz (born Ashley Nicole Simpson)...". That would at least avoid making any guesses. Everyking (talk) 22:23, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
We have evidence of her middle name being Nicole. That shouldn't be changed on the page unless there's evidence that she's changed her middle name. Her last name wasn't changed on the page until there was a cite for it, but we didn't change her to just "Ashlee" while we waited. Ariadne55 (talk) 22:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
During an interview on People.com, Ashlee had said that she had changed her surname from Simpson to Wentz, saying that she felt it is a great tradition. She also said that she is profesionally going by Ashlee Simpson-Wentz. I hope this clears up confusion about her legal name. This link is cited on the article. 24.151.137.221 (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Depressing

It continually depresses me to see things like this being added to this and other Ashlee articles, as well as the Ashlee template. All of that stuff was completely made up. Yesterday I reverted someone who had created an entire article based on the completely false idea that "Murder" was going to be released as a single; they had also included "Murder" on the singles discography and the template. Sometimes this kind of misinformation sticks around for a while, spreading to fan sites in the process. Some people will take it as fact, because it's on Wikipedia, while for others it will only reinforce the notion that Wikipedia is full of unreliable junk. Everyking (talk) 23:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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