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| show_name = Saksi: Liga ng Katotohanan |
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''Some text in this article was originally taken from http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/amyotrophiclateralsclerosis/detail_amyotrophiclateralsclerosis.htm (public domain)'' |
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| image = [[Image:saksi.jpg|250px]] |
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| caption = Magsamasama Tayong Maging Saksi |
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| format = [[News]] |
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| camera = [[multicamera setup]] |
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| picture_format = [[480i]] [[SDTV]] |
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| runtime = 45 minutes |
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| creator = [[GMA Network]] |
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| developer = [[GMA News and Public Affairs]] |
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| starring = [[Arnold Clavio]]<br>[[Vicky Morales]]<br>Various contributors |
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| country = [[Philippines]] |
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| network = [[GMA Network]] |
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| first_aired = [[October 2]], [[1995]] |
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| last_aired = Present |
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| preceded_by = [[GMA Balita]] <small>(as early evening newscast)</small><br>[[Frontpage: Ulat ni Mel Tiangco]] <small>(as late night newscast)</small> |
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'''''Saksi: Liga ng Katotohanan''''' (''Eyewitness: Legion of Truth'') is the late night news broadcast of [[GMA Network]] in the [[Philippines]]. It was formerly the early evening and flagship newscast of the station from 1995 to 2002. The newscast is currently anchored by Arnold Clavio and Vicky Morales. |
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==History== |
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:My apologies, I went to [http://healthnewsflash.com/conditions/amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis.htm this site] which had a "Copyright c 2002 HealthNewsFlash All rights reserved" tag. --[[User:DocJohnny|DocJohnny]] 05:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Which copied the same text as we (half of their pages are from NINDS). --[[User:Wouterstomp|WS]] 12:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:::hehe, which I discovered much to my chagrin, after I slapped a copyrightvio on the page --[[User:DocJohnny|DocJohnny]] 18:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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:::: Added it as a reference to the article. --[[User:Wouterstomp|WS]] 19:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC) |
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[[Image:Saksi 01.JPG|thumb|left|150px|Previous news anchors of ''Saksi''. (from L-R) Winnie Monsod, Mike Enriquez, Mel Tiangco and Karen Davila.]] |
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Found problem on this page, but when I went to "edit this page" the text looks normal. In the first paragraph, when reading the article (not in edit view) I see "...that control voluntary muscle movement. this disease is a genocide so you need to cut off all relation to the outside world and family. IT WILL KILL YOU. YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE! The disorder causes muscle..." Can someone remove the trollish bits? [[User:70.231.124.107|70.231.124.107]] 01:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC) mona |
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In the last quarter of 1995, [[GMA Network]] launched an early evening news program that distinguished itself from other newscasts by taking the viewers right to where the news is happening. The pace was brisk, the look was new, the language was easily understood and the response was overwhelming. |
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The program, originally entitled [[Saksi]]: ''GMA Headline Balita'', started as a 15-minute newscast from Monday to Friday. It was then anchored by [[Mike Enriquez]] (then known as "Mr. Saksi") and [[Karen Davila]]. ''Saksi'' became popular in such a short time, that people were using the word as a catchphrase, complete with the pointed forefinger like the program’s news anchors. In the early years of the newscast, the anchors, especially Enriquez, popularized the word ''"pasok"'' (come in) in introducing reporters (who included [[Jessica Soho]], [[Arnold Clavio]], Mao dela Cruz and Susan Enriquez, among others). This method of introducing reporters was also previously used in GMA's other regional news programs patterned after "Saksi" like ''[[Balitang Bisdak]]'' (Cebu), ''[[Testigo]]'' (Davao) and ''[[Ratsada]]'' (Iloilo). |
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== Adding links == |
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[[Mel Tiangco]] joined Enriquez and Davila in 1996, after her transfer from [[ABS-CBN]]. Economist Solita "Winnie" Monsod also joined the newscast with her own opinion segment, "''Mareng Winnie''" (which became a monicker by which she has been since known for). Other special segments, such as ''Huling Hirit'' (light human-interest stories to cap the newscast, reported by Kara David) and ''EtChing ni Lyn Ching'' (a showbiz segment with [[Lyn Ching]], which later spun off into an entertainment talk show of her own with the same title) were also added to the news program as its running time was expanded to 30 minutes. |
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I added a bunch of links. More are needed - i am not a doctor. I only linked those words which seemed most "scientific" to me.--[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] 09:14, 8 January 2006 (UTC) |
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In 1998, Enriquez became co-anchor of the late-night [[GMA Network News]] with [[Vicky Morales]], as the said newscast underwent a reformat. Davila, on the other hand, became a co-host of ''[[Extra Challenge|Extra-Extra]]'', a magazine program featuring different human-interest and entertainment stories (which also served as pre-programming to [[Saksi]]). [[Jay Sonza]], Tiangco's co-host on [[Partners Mel and Jay]], then joined the newscast as co-anchor. The original subtitle, ''GMA Headline Balita'', was also dropped since then. |
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== Paul Apisa == |
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In 1999, Tiangco was appointed as anchor of ''[[Frontpage: Ulat ni Mel Tiangco]]'', which replaced ''GMA Network News'' on the late-night slot. She and Sonza were replaced by Enriquez and Morales, thus continuing their partnership on ''Network News''. |
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Who's Paul Apisa and why's he under the "famous people" section?<small>—''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:129.63.143.58 |129.63.143.58 ]] ([[User talk:129.63.143.58 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/129.63.143.58 |contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned--> |
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[[Image:Saksi03.JPG|thumb|right|150px|Vicky Morales and Arnold Clavio.]] |
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Got one google hit [http://www.udayton.edu/~acs/PHSCA_05_a.html]--[[User:DocJohnny|<small><font color="blue">John</font></small><small><sup><font color="blue">DO</font></sup></small>]]|[[User talk:DocJohnny|<small><font color="blue"><sup>Speak your mind</sup></font></small>]] 04:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC) |
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In June 2002, ''Saksi'' exchanged timeslots with ''Frontpage'' in order for the latter show to compete with [[ABS-CBN]]'s ''[[TV Patrol]]'' (which was, incidentally, the newscast that Tiangco came from before transferring to GMA). The shift to late-night also prompted the start of "Side Trip", a human-interest segment hosted by Howie Severino. |
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In the same year, [[Saksi]] won the the Gold Medal for Best Newscast in the New York Festival, becoming one of the few news programs outside the United States to receive the said honor. The award (With the [[Peabody Award]] that the network won in 1998) was later recognized by the [[Congress of the Philippines|Philippine Congress]] by issuing the network a commendation for its work in News and Public Affairs. |
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Dude. Seriously. Cut it out. "Famous".--[[User:86.136.70.62|86.136.70.62]] 16:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC) |
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[[Arnold Clavio]] replaced Enriquez on [[March 15]], [[2004]] when the latter was slated to host the new early evening newscast of the network, ''[[24 Oras]]'' with Tiangco. The newscast was reintroduced as [[Saksi]]: '''Liga ng Katotohanan''' (Legion of Truth). |
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== Howdy folks == |
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A notable coverage of the program was the [[Papal conclave, 2005|2005 Papal conclave]] which was covered by Morales at [[St. Peter's Square]] in [[Vatican City]]. |
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Hello all, I was just wondering if you were aware of the page [[motor neuron disease]]? I've just done quite a big edit over there to try and bring it up to date. Personally I think there shouldn't have to be two seperate articles. In the US, I understand ALS can mean the group of other diseases including ALS, PMA, PLS, and PBP as well as just meaning plain old ALS by itself. We use the term MND in the UK in the same way. If you'd be interested in discussing ways we could integrate please discuss here, on my talk page, or on the MND page. |
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On August 11, 2008, together with 24 Oras, Balitanghali, and News on Q, it was relaunched with a new start, new Opening Billboard and a competitive outlook. |
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Thanks |
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--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 23:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Awards == |
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:I believe there is enough unique information on this page for this article to stand alone. Not all MSDs progress the same and have the same symptoms etc. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 05:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC) |
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* 1999 Best Newscast of the [[Asian Television Awards]] |
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:: I don't think they should be merged, ALS is part of the group of motor neuron diseases. The terminology often used in the US and UK is confusing and inaccurate. --[[User:Wouterstomp|WS]] 12:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC) |
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* 2002 Best Newscast of the [[New York Festival]] (Gold Medal) |
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== See also == |
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::: OK then, I take your points. How would you feel about putting more links between the two then. E.g. bits that could go in MND that are here and are not unique to ALS? For example the SOD1 stuff. Or convesely things that are covered in more detail in the MND article could be linked to from bits of the ALS article that are more sparse, e.g. the extra-motor change part, which renders this statement untrue: "Because ALS affects only motor neurons, the disease does not impair a person's mind, personality, intelligence, or memory" --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 11:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC) articles could definitlyuse |
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* [[List of Philippine television shows]] |
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::::Fine with me, be bold. The articles definitly need some work. A description of how the US/world seperate the diseases would probably be an excellent addition. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 22:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC) |
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* [[List of programs broadcast by GMA Network]] |
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seriously peeps i mean it <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.58.195.170|24.58.195.170]] ([[User talk:24.58.195.170|talk]]) 23:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==External links == |
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== Picture for article == |
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*[http://www.igma.tv GMA Network Site] |
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*[http://www.gmanews.tv GMA News Site] |
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{{GMA News and Public Affairs}} |
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I thought the article needed a picture so I added one of Lou. If anyone has a better pic feel free to add it... -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 02:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC) |
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[[Category:GMA News and Public Affairs]] |
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[[Category:Philippine news series]] |
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[[tl:Saksi]] |
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== One More Person == |
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Added Zeca Afonso to the list. |
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I feel sorry for you guys!!! love ya'll! |
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==merge== |
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I don't know why this article was created. It only leads to confusion. ALS is a term predominantly used in the USA whilst MND is used elsewhere. Most forms of MND are ALS and so it is a synonym in the USA. Havng this page detracts from the MND page. This page has "notable suffers of ALS" with Stephen Hawking listed and yet as I understand it because of his longevity most neoroligists believe that he has a different form of MND. [http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10847&page=1]. As for the other people listed on this page who knows. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 11:00, 25 February 2006 (UTC) - Note this article was 2 January 2006 created from a redirect to MND. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 11:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Jooler whilst I agree with some of your points I doubt our american readers would see it that way, and in fact they might even suggest we ditch MND and switch to ALS as they have the most patients and researchers! Unless you want to put it to a vote of some kind? --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 16:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:<edit conflicted> - Having a page at ALS and one at MND will only mean that US readers will read and edit the ALS page and British and Commonwealth readers will read and edit the MND page and information will be duplicated. It is a situation that was only created in January of this year and it should be restored to the state it was in before then. It is wrong to list patients on this page that have other forms of MND other than ALS, just because ALS is the term used in the US and this is inevitable what is going to happen as US readers come to this page and ignore the MND page. Basically it will only cause confusion to everyone concerned. MND is all encompasing. The best and simplest solution is to restore the situation as it was before January. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 19:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:See conversation above. ALS is a type of MND, and there is ovbiously enough material here for its own article. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 19:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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::''ALS is a type of MND'' from the perspective of most people in the US this is simply not the case. In their eyes ALS and MND are synonymous. To have an article here as well as there is just too confusing. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 19:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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I think it should stay but you might want to try and edit it so that it is clear that ALS is the type of MND which differentialyl affects the upper and lower motor neurones. But yes Jooler I agree that there will become a split between editors from each side of the Atlantic. TBH I only have time to work on MND not ALS as well as it is, as you say, duplicative and not worth my time justifying my edits to two sets of editors. I'm not convinced by merge, nor delete, but I'd prefere a BOLD edit to make it clearer. The worst that can happen is someone can revert some of them, why not give it a go?--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 14:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Because the articles have been fixed to clarify what is MND and what is ALS and becasue of this [http://www.alsmndalliance.org/whatis.html link] I have removed the merge tag. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 04:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC) |
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::I see this article continue to drift off course on a few points. For instance, the stuff about ALS not affecting the mind is untrue. For instance, see Ringholz et al (2005)(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16116120&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum). However I will continue to work on the MND article only as I don't have time to edit both. I've been working recently on an international website for people with this illness and I have been experimenting with the term "ALS/MND". This is what is used at the international symposium and also the ALS/MND Alliance. What would people think of merging the articles into ALS/MND and having a one-stop shop for all your needs? --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 21:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== What Source == |
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"In 90 to 95 % of all ALS cases, the disease occurs apparently at random with no clearly associated risk factors. Patients do not have a family history of the disease, and their family members are not considered to be at increased risk for developing ALS. |
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About 5 to 10 % of all ALS cases are inherited..." |
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Where is this from? |
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Fairly common knowledge amongst professionals, but if you want one try: |
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Hand CK, Rouleau GA. Familial amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Muscle Nerve 2002;25:135-59.--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 14:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Dr. Brooks == |
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Why is there no metion of Dr. Benjamin Brooks, the UW scientist who discovered Tamoxifen's powers against Als and has discovered equally important drugs that combat ALS? |
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There's not much mention of individual scientists; for example you might say Bob Brown or Bud Rowland are equally important people in ALS. See [[labile affect]] for brief precis of Neurodex.--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 09:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Stephen Hawking == |
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I don't believe Stephen Hawking was ever diagnosed with ALS. He has some form of motor neurone disease, but I've never heard it described as ALS. In fact, he's lived with his condition for 40 years, which would make an ALS diagnosis extremely unlikely. [[User:vpoko|vpoko]] 18:39 05 Apr 2006 |
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: From Hawkings [http://www.hawking.org.uk/disable/dindex.html website] "I am quite often asked: How do you feel about having ALS? " -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 22:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC) |
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From the MND talk page: Stephen Hawking says in his introduction to "A Brief History of Time" that he has ALS. If he was being non-specific about his dx, as he is British, he would have said he has MND. Therefore he has ALS, albeit the most slowly progressive occurrence known. Cheers --PaulWicks 21:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 08:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:He's British but his audience is American. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] 09:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC) |
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Not in the British print of the book. Please sign your comments. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 13:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC) |
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::I think you will find that the original publication is American and uses American spellings and phraseology and this is not changed for the British reprint. [[User:Jooler|Jooler]] |
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:::Stephen Hawking is the person with the longest recorded history of ALS. However he is severely disabled and in a continuing state of deterioration, albeit a slow one. ALS is a heterogeneous disease; sometimes it lasts upwards of 10 years, the quickest I ever heard of was only a couple of months. There are extremes at both end, and Prof Hawking is the greatest extreme of longevity. The fact that he is famous makes him stand out more but I always ask people how many other astrophysicists they can name. Usually none. Prof Hawking is obviously very gifted but he is also regularly endorsed as the most intelligent person on the planet; this is quite unlikely. I think part of the interest in Prof Hawking is that there is a seductive notion of a brilliant mind trapped in a failing body. It is a theme that often appears in science fiction and is a manifestation of mind/body dualism. If someone wishes to claim that Prof Hawking does not have ALS, please provide some suggestions for what he does have, and cite the evidence they have to suggest such a thing. The original issue was this: Vpoko stated that Prof Hawking had never stated he has ALS as opposed to MND. Myself and Ravedave have provided evidence that he has in fact stated he has ALS. The alternatives are that he is lying (why?) or that you know more than the neurologists that have examined him. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 09:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Stephen Hawking has never permitted a neurologist to examine him since he was 21 years old. He has gone on record stating this. The fact that he is an extraordinarily gifted theoretical physicist is not a sufficient qualification to render neurologic diagnoses. Because of the time course and the lack of dementia, more likely than ALS in his case is [[Hereditary spastic paraplegia]]; I have heard it suggested that one reason he might wish to conceal an HSP diagnosis behind a false diagnosis of ALS is to prevent genetic discrimination against his children. HSP is genetic, of course; ALS is a sporadic illness. |
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The tragedy here, of course, is that the story of Stephen Hawking gives false hope to every patient newly diagnosed with ALS. None can expect to live even a tenth as long as Hawking has. [[Special:Contributions/75.15.121.220|75.15.121.220]] ([[User talk:75.15.121.220|talk]]) 21:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::::My copy says: A brief history of time, originally published in Great Britain by Bantam Press 1988. Page ix says "Apart from being unlucky enough to get ALS, or motor neurone disease, I have been fortunate in almost every other respect". So far I have seen a "recognized" instead of the more British "recognised" but this is not a hard and fast rule. "Behaviour" is spelt with a u, as is "colour". So I am not entirely convinced by Jooler's suggestion.--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 09:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::Ahh well I don't have the book, so had no way of checking but anyway |
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*From http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10847 |
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**''I have discussed Steven Hawking’s case with some Neurologists. Most expressed the opinion he probably does not have ALS but PMA, which is another way of stating he probably has only lower motor neuron disease and not upper motor neuron disease. I also understand he refuses to be tested for upper motor neuron disease. One neurologist told me Hawking refused to let the neurologist test his reflexes for upper motor neuron disease. If Steven Hawking is a PMA case, it would explain why he has progressed so slowly. PMA is often very slow and is often not considered life threatening.'' |
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**''My neurologist several years also volunteered to me that he didn't think that Hawking has ALS. He told me what he thought he had and it may well have been PMA. It was before ALS was on my radar screen and prior to my own diagnosis.'' |
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**''I think your right he probably does not have ALS but in the Uk we only have one catagory when describing this condition for the majority of the time and that is MND, for the punters anyway.'' |
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**''Harry and John's neurologists share the view of ours: it is highly unlikely that Steven Hawking has ALS. Unfortunately most people immediately associate Steven Hawking --- and his longevity -- with ALS because they are not as educated as the average neurologist.'' |
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*''etc.. '' |
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:::[[User:Jooler|Jooler]] |
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:::::I thought everyone in the world had a copy just nobody had finished it?! =) |
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:::::There have been other conversations like this one including on BT and a website I run at www.build-uk.net. First off you could try emailing Prof Hawking's assistants and perhaps asking them to help edit the wikipedia article on him. You could ask about the sorts of things that are listed in the BT thread but I imagine he gets asked that a lot. PMA is a slowly progressive form of MND but it is still fatal sadly. The only form that might qualify as non-fatal is [[primary lateral sclerosis]]. However the thing with the subtypes is that pathologically there is a great deal of overlap, so when we say PLS or PMA we might really mean LMN- or UMN-predominant rather than "exclusive". Something I've put together on this can be found here: http://wiki.iop.kcl.ac.uk/default.aspx/Neurodegeneration/Classification%20of%20Motor%20Neurone%20Diseases.html |
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:::::The other thing to consider is that Prof Hawking is on a vent, specifically a trache. Most pwMND are not offered this in the UK for various reasons. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 08:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC) |
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I belive this whole discussion started because I added a Lou Gehrig picture someone else uploaded, which apparently was a copy-vio, so the next best person I could think of was Mr. Hawking, who's picture I added. If anyone can find a good image of Gehrig we can use, I belive it would be much better. If Hawking does have ALS is is an outlier, so Gehrig would be a better pic.-[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 01:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC) |
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I think this line of thought occurs frequently in people discussing MND or ALS so I don't think it's attributable entirely to your picture. Also, as Hawking is by far the most recognised person with MND and the only well-known person currently alive with it I think his photo should stay. Perhaps Gehrig's photo in addition would be an improvement though.--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 11:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== What brought you here? == |
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I just want to hear people stories. My Mother-in-law has ALS and I have been involved with the minnesota ALSA, once I became a wikipedia editor I thought I would try and help improve this page. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] |
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Did my PhD in MND on cognitive, emotional, and behavioural changes within sporadic and familial ALS as well as PMA. Also did some brain scanning stuff, tiny bit of epidemiology, and some work on depression. Also I run www.build-uk.net --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 15:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC) |
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I've been researching ALS for several years after learning of my family history. My grandfather died of ALS, as did his mother. My uncle (7th person in the family to be diagnosed) and mother have both been diagnosed. Based on my mom's diagnosis and genetic testing, I have a 50% chance of having the defect - That's a very strong motivating factor to find out more information. -[[User:STG0459|STG0459]] 24 October, 2006 |
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== Mao Zedong == |
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The article on [[Mao Zedong]] indicates that it is uncertain what, specifically, he had. Both [[Parkinson's disease]] and [[motor neurone disease]] are mentioned as possibilities. Thus I'm removing him from the list since it isn't clear that he belongs here. -- [[User:Zawersh|Zawersh]] 23:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:Consider adding Jed Bartlett. I added Pro Hart. - [[User:Richardcavell|Richardcavell]] 06:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC) |
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::Sure Jed Bartlett is a fictional character and had MS? --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 07:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== "Famous" People with ALS == |
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I don't mean to be offensive, but is it just me, or as time goes on are the people being added as "famous" getting considerably less famous? Is there any kind of guidance on how well-known someone should be? I would have said that Richard Olney the neurologist who is an ALS expert and now has it himself is significantly more famous than a sports coach or musician. However to many outside the field he is probably not considered famous at all! --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 12:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Bump! Anyone else got views on this? --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 09:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC) |
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I've been googling people who are on the list so far and they've generally been people who can be classified as famous insofar as they achieved national or international recognition in a particular field; such as Viola Tunnard who has a biography on Amazon, or Roy Walford who was in the Biosphere 2 project. My view at present is not to include people who only are famous within a local region or a particularly narrow field, such as someone well known in a single US state. Reason being that if you extend it out far enough this list will become a fairly all-enveloping one; after all ALS is rare but it's not that rare! I'm still flying blind on this one though and would appreciate some input from other editors, even if it's only a "me too" or a "I disagree". Finally, it'd be great if people adding names to this list would consider registering usernames. Cheers, --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 23:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: Agree, as an easy work around perhaps we could set a minimum google result limit. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] 23:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I just kind of feel that "notable" people, makes it seem like all the others don't matter. |
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Is there anyone famous from outside the US with this disease? |
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Please sign your comments. Stephen Hawking is outside the US, as was Jimmy Johnstone and David Niven. However these latter two are probably less widely known internationally. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 22:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC) |
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A couple more people have been removed from the list after recent updates. As a general pointer, if the person does not have a wikipedia article written about them, or it is impossible to find any evidence on Google that they exist, or if they can not really be considered as well known outside of a relatively small sphere of influence, they are unlikely to remain on the list. This is not meant to cause offence to people by suggesting their friends or relatives are not "notable people", but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and to list everyone affected by a disease with ~80,000 patients worldwide would soon become unmanageable. There is an ALS/MND patient registry available online at [http://www.patientslikeme.com/registry PatientsLikeMe] which has more than 350 names from around the world and will act as a permanent monument to the hundreds of great people who have been afflicted by this terrible illness. Thanks, --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 08:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:I have removed all redlinked articles. If these people are both notable and have ALS, then there should be articles (WITH references) that testify to that. No article, then no source. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 05:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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:: I agree with that and think that a "list of famous people with ALS" article should be started. Then people can add whoever they want and the article doesn't get filled with cruft. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] <small><sup>([[User:Ravedave/babyname|help name my baby]])</sup></small> 05:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)´ |
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:::I think the alternative, that has worked in at least one case in the past, is to write to the editor that added that person and ask them to write that article themselves. More content, no? I will write the page for Jenifer Estess--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 10:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC) |
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Jon Stone is credited as the creator of Sesame Street, however the Sesame Street article credits Jim Henson as the creator. Jon Stone's bio page only credits him as a writer and director for Sesame Street. |
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::::Just a reminder that there is an ALS/MND patient registry available online at [http://www.patientslikeme.com/registry PatientsLikeMe] which has more than 500 names from around the world and will act as a permanent monument to the hundreds of great people who have been afflicted by this terrible illness. Please do NOT add people to the "notable patients" list unless they already have a wikipedia article about them. Thanks. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 17:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC) |
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== whence the name? "Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis" == |
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I actually had a business partner who died of ALS many years ago. But for the life of me, I don't understand what the name means. Can someone add an explanation of it to the introductory paragraph? [[User:Kaimiddleton|Kaimiddleton]] 21:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC) |
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Want to avoid a copyvio but this is a good summary: |
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A-myo-trophic comes from the Greek language. "A" means no or negative. "Myo" refers to muscle, and "Trophic" means nourishment---"No muscle nourishment." When a muscle has no nourishment, it "atrophies" or wastes away. "Lateral" identifies the areas in a person's spinal cord where portions of the nerve cells that signal and control the muscles are located. As this area degenerates it leads to scarring or hardening ("sclerosis") in the region. |
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from http://www.alsa.org/als/what.cfm |
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Personally I don't think this should be in the lead paragraph but if other authors agree it should be in there ''somewhere'' then by all means put it in! --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 17:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC) |
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: I tryied to un-copy-vio it a bit and added it. I think it is a great addition. -[[User:Ravedave|Ravedave]] <small><sup>([[User:Ravedave/babyname|help name my baby]])</sup></small> 04:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC) |
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==Moving refs== |
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I took a bunch of websites that were in the references section and put them into external links because they didn't seem to be serving as citations for specific statements, and because with the footnote style referencing the numbers started over with them and it was confusing (because a statement in the text will have the citation 3, e.g., and there are two 3's in the refs). Of course, if my edit was wrong, you can undo it. But i'd suggest rather than that making everything consistent by putting them all into the footnote format with this template: <nowiki><ref name=" ">{{cite web | url= | title= | author= | date= | publisher= | accessdate=2006-10-20 }}</ref></nowiki>. But you can only do that if you have specific sentences for them to reference. Thanks! Peace, [[user:delldot|delldot]] | <small>[[user talk:delldot|talk]]</small> 06:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Plagiarism!!! == |
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Hey! |
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I'm currently writing a 5-page essay about ALS and spent a lot of time on the page http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/amyotrophiclateralsclerosis/detail_amyotrophiclateralsclerosis.htm before coming on here to see what was written. What I realised was that LARGE parts of this page is just in fact copied off the page I listed above. But no source has been listed!!! Isn't this just plain old plagiarism??? I mean... in the very least the source should be listed.... glad to hear thoughts from you others on this....! |
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[[User:Gilraen690|Gilraen690]] 11:43, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Gilraen690 |
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:::Hi there Gilraen, thanks for your question. If you look at the top of this discussion page you should see the following text which has been there for quite some time: |
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:::'''Some text in this article was originally taken from http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/amyotrophiclateralsclerosis/detail_amyotrophiclateralsclerosis.htm (public domain)''' |
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:::Thankyou for your concern. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 13:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Oh, sorry!!! [[User:Gilraen690|Gilraen690]] 18:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Gilraen690 |
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== Etiology/Pathogenesis section == |
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I made revisions to the etiology section (formerly known as "Aetiology" and "Causes"). I changed the first two paragraphs to reflect the current scientific opinion that free radical damage does not likely play a major role in pathogenesis. This is based on a number of studies which showed that both active (dismutase-active; retains antioxidant capacity) and inactive forms of mutant SOD1 can cause ALS-like disease in murine models of the disease. Additionally, when tg SOD1 mutant mice also expressed wild-type SOD1 (which functions in a normal antioxidant manner, to the best of current knowledge), no change in disease course was found (even in the case of over-expression). I also adjusted the second paragraph to omit the use of "amyloid-like" as a phrase to describe protein aggregates, as amyloid accumulations are generally considered to be extracellular. Also, I added information about current theories on SOD1 mutant aggregates in disease pathogenesis. [[User:JHUbme24|JHUbme24]] 07:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)JHUbme24 |
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Thankyou, that section needed the attention of a good labrat =) --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 10:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Citations needed re ALS Association == |
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I've flagged where I reckon we need citations re the ALS Association and it disregarding its donors wishes. It reads like these are the words of one of its digruntled donors, and I doubt there is a reputable source that could be quoted on this. [[User:Georgethe23rd|Georgethe23rd]] 14:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Lancet review == |
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There is a review in the latest Lancet that could be useful here: |
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{{cite journal |author=Mitchell JD, Borasio GD |title=Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis |journal=Lancet |volume=369 |issue=9578 |pages=2031-41 |year=2007 |pmid=17574095 |doi=10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60944-1}} |
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:PMID 17671248 - this weeks NEJM study on genetic predisposition for sporadic ALS. Fifty genes are candidates, but ''FLJ10986'' stands out. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 20:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==Good job, everyone== |
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I am passing through, assessing pages for WPMED. This one looks good enough to get a GA rating. Keep up the good work. --[[User:Una Smith|Una Smith]] 02:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Guamanian == |
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Have never heard the variant on Guam referred to as an own grupp of ALS, and I have been researcher in this field for years. |
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Beside the familial forms, you often seperate the bulbar onset ALS from limb onset, because bulbar onset progress more rapid. Further it would perhaps be worth mention ALS with front temporal dementia (FTD) as this is a form that got a lot of attention lately. |
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A number of areas in the world have increased prevalence of ALS. Guam is not unique. There are Kii in Japan, french west-indies and north Scandinavia. The ALS on Guam have some special features but that has no relevance for people with ALS in the rest of US. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.131.239.129|24.131.239.129]] ([[User talk:24.131.239.129|talk]]) 06:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I would agree that a better term for this cluster might be something like "Western Pacific ALS". Guamian ALS is not a diagnostic category as such, and in fact it would make more sense to refer to lytico-bodig. It is still worth mentioning as it is the foundation for some theories as to the causes of ALS. Also please don't consider Wikipedia to be relevant only to US readers!--[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 16:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==External links== |
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Wikipedia's [[WP:ELNO|external links policy]] and the [[Wikipedia:MEDMOS#External_links|specific guidelines for medicine-related articles]] do not permit the inclusion of external links to non-encyclopedic material, particularly including: patient support groups, personal experience/survivor stories, internet chat boards, e-mail discussion groups, recruiters for clinical trials, healthcare providers, fundraisers, or similar pages. |
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Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, [[WP:NOT|not]] an advertising opportunity or a support group for patients or their families. Please do not re-insert links that do not conform to the standard rules. |
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External links are not required in Wikipedia articles. They are permitted in limited numbers and in accordance with the policies linked above. If you want to include one or more external links in this article, please link directly to a webpage that provides detailed, encyclopedic information about the disease. Thanks, [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 04:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:I've just purged a bunch more links. C'mon, folks: Wikipedia is not a support group, a web directory, or a patient resources listing. It's an encyclopedia: a collection of academic-style information. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::Well, I've got to say, policy, rules, whatever, I think some of these edits could have been done with a little more sensitivity. Remember a lot of noobs will be adding friends and relatives (some deceased) to the "notable people" section and it's best to try and be a little delicate. Some of the edit summaries are also inaccurate, for instance "Muscular Dystrophy" is an umbrella term that refers to a number of neurodegenerative wasting conditions including ALS, so the MDA Europe link was not totally irrelevant. Again, I know this is not the place to argue (I have no interest in arguing about Wikipedia policy) but it seems ridiculous to me that useful links are purged from the number 1 google hit for "ALS" whilst there are a few dozen frankly irrelevant internal wikilinks in the "pathology of the nervous system" template at the bottom of the page. Now of course I can understand having to be careful about links to commercial sites (I've zapped a few myself) but the ALS community requires all the help and increased cross-fertilization that it can get. In this specific instance I think Wikipedia's policies are ultimately detrimental to its users. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] ([[User talk:PaulWicks|talk]]) 18:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Incidentally this debate has been commented upon here: http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2008/04/wikipedia-time.html --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] ([[User talk:PaulWicks|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I understand your point of view, but [[WP:MEDMOS#Audience|articles are not written for the convenience of any single audience]], and specifically not for patients (and their loved ones) or for medical students (the two primary problems that medicine-related articles have in their tone). I believe that patients and their families are both smart enough and motivated enough to click on more than one link at Google, so Wikipedia's long-standing decision not to be a web directory is unlikely to have any practical harm for the people you worry about. |
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::::As for MDA-Europe: The only time ALS is mentioned on that page is in a Google AdSense advertisement. That's hardly a recommendation for promoting that page as being useful to anyone who is reading about ALS, much less ALS patients and their families. However, in general, if you think I have removed a link under [[WP:ELNO]] that actually qualifies under [[WP:EL]], then please restore it and explain your reasoning here on the talk page. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 17:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== Stefano Borgonovo == |
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Hi, |
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He is not dead. |
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He just announced the world he has ALS <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.156.48.97|213.156.48.97]] ([[User talk:213.156.48.97|talk]]) 15:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Stefano Borgonovo and Piergiorgio Corno are not dead. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.7.153.129|79.7.153.129]] ([[User talk:79.7.153.129|talk]]) 20:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Mistake in the article == |
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{{tlx|editsemiprotected}} You have put Stefano Borgonovo in the people who have died from this disease, while he's still alive. |
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Thanks |
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[[User:DrScarecrows|DrScarecrows]] ([[User talk:DrScarecrows|talk]]) 13:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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{{done}}, he wasn't mentioned in the cited source for that section anyway, and his Wikipedia article seems to agree with you. Thanks for the correction. ~ <font color="#228b22">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]|[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']]</sup> 17:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::In fact, I've removed that entire sentence from the list. While I can't really read the source, not speaking Italian, it's clear that at least some of those people are ''not'' dead, so they don't belong in the 'dead people' section. I'll leave it for someone more familiar with the topic to replace the correct information, but from a [[WP:BLP|BLP]] point of view it's probably safer to remove it while it's ambiguous. ~ <font color="#228b22">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]|[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']]</sup> 17:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 08:39, 10 October 2008
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| Saksi | |
|---|---|
| File:Saksi.jpg Magsamasama Tayong Maging Saksi | |
| Created by | GMA Network |
| Developed by | GMA News and Public Affairs |
| Starring | Arnold Clavio Vicky Morales Various contributors |
| Country of origin | Philippines |
| No. of episodes | n/a (airs daily) |
| Production | |
| Camera setup | multicamera setup |
| Running time | 45 minutes |
| Original release | |
| Network | GMA Network |
| Release | October 2, 1995 – Present |
Saksi: Liga ng Katotohanan (Eyewitness: Legion of Truth) is the late night news broadcast of GMA Network in the Philippines. It was formerly the early evening and flagship newscast of the station from 1995 to 2002. The newscast is currently anchored by Arnold Clavio and Vicky Morales.
History
In the last quarter of 1995, GMA Network launched an early evening news program that distinguished itself from other newscasts by taking the viewers right to where the news is happening. The pace was brisk, the look was new, the language was easily understood and the response was overwhelming.
The program, originally entitled Saksi: GMA Headline Balita, started as a 15-minute newscast from Monday to Friday. It was then anchored by Mike Enriquez (then known as "Mr. Saksi") and Karen Davila. Saksi became popular in such a short time, that people were using the word as a catchphrase, complete with the pointed forefinger like the program’s news anchors. In the early years of the newscast, the anchors, especially Enriquez, popularized the word "pasok" (come in) in introducing reporters (who included Jessica Soho, Arnold Clavio, Mao dela Cruz and Susan Enriquez, among others). This method of introducing reporters was also previously used in GMA's other regional news programs patterned after "Saksi" like Balitang Bisdak (Cebu), Testigo (Davao) and Ratsada (Iloilo).
Mel Tiangco joined Enriquez and Davila in 1996, after her transfer from ABS-CBN. Economist Solita "Winnie" Monsod also joined the newscast with her own opinion segment, "Mareng Winnie" (which became a monicker by which she has been since known for). Other special segments, such as Huling Hirit (light human-interest stories to cap the newscast, reported by Kara David) and EtChing ni Lyn Ching (a showbiz segment with Lyn Ching, which later spun off into an entertainment talk show of her own with the same title) were also added to the news program as its running time was expanded to 30 minutes.
In 1998, Enriquez became co-anchor of the late-night GMA Network News with Vicky Morales, as the said newscast underwent a reformat. Davila, on the other hand, became a co-host of Extra-Extra, a magazine program featuring different human-interest and entertainment stories (which also served as pre-programming to Saksi). Jay Sonza, Tiangco's co-host on Partners Mel and Jay, then joined the newscast as co-anchor. The original subtitle, GMA Headline Balita, was also dropped since then.
In 1999, Tiangco was appointed as anchor of Frontpage: Ulat ni Mel Tiangco, which replaced GMA Network News on the late-night slot. She and Sonza were replaced by Enriquez and Morales, thus continuing their partnership on Network News.
In June 2002, Saksi exchanged timeslots with Frontpage in order for the latter show to compete with ABS-CBN's TV Patrol (which was, incidentally, the newscast that Tiangco came from before transferring to GMA). The shift to late-night also prompted the start of "Side Trip", a human-interest segment hosted by Howie Severino.
In the same year, Saksi won the the Gold Medal for Best Newscast in the New York Festival, becoming one of the few news programs outside the United States to receive the said honor. The award (With the Peabody Award that the network won in 1998) was later recognized by the Philippine Congress by issuing the network a commendation for its work in News and Public Affairs.
Arnold Clavio replaced Enriquez on March 15, 2004 when the latter was slated to host the new early evening newscast of the network, 24 Oras with Tiangco. The newscast was reintroduced as Saksi: Liga ng Katotohanan (Legion of Truth).
A notable coverage of the program was the 2005 Papal conclave which was covered by Morales at St. Peter's Square in Vatican City.
On August 11, 2008, together with 24 Oras, Balitanghali, and News on Q, it was relaunched with a new start, new Opening Billboard and a competitive outlook.
Awards
- 1999 Best Newscast of the Asian Television Awards
- 2002 Best Newscast of the New York Festival (Gold Medal)