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December 30

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion on December 30, 2007

Xanthi Skoda → Skoda Xanthi F.C.

An orphan article that redirects to a football team name. The article's name writes the team's two word name in reverse order Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep A Googling suggests that the former is used with some frequency, and so it is altogether plausible that a reader might enter Xanthi Skoda when searching for its target. That a redirect has no incoming links, further, does not counsel its deletion; many unprintworthy redirects (including, as this, {{R from alternative name}}s), in fact, will quite properly have no incoming links but will nevertheless, consistent with one of the principal purposes of redirects, prove useful to a reader searching for an article. Joe 00:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given → Axiom

Could equally well be hypothesis or assumption, but it's a definition, either way. Perhaps it could be a disambig, but I really don't see it. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I see this being recreated if deleted. There should be something at that title, though maybe not this. --Thinboy00 @920, i.e. 21:04, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(AAAS) → American Association for the Advancement of Science

The result of the debate was speedy deleted (G7). --- RockMFR 04:56, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Created in error, sorry. RenniePet (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as the archive of an RfD nomination. Please do not modify it.

With great power comes great responsibility → Spider-Man

Unhelpful and misleading redirect. David Pro (talk) 16:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Misleading, same goes for the one below.--Phoenix-wiki 17:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete with great responsibility. --Thinboy00 @921, i.e. 21:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why is it misleading or unhelpful? I don't really think someone would search for that quote with anything other than Spiderman in mind. I (talk) 00:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

God does not play dice → Albert Einstein

Unneccesary. David Pro (talk) 16:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Very weak keep Einstein did say that, I could see a soft redirect to Wikiquote... --Thinboy00 @923, i.e. 21:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Neutral Unsure of applicability of precedents/policy here, vote withdrawn. --Thinboy00 @108, i.e. 01:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

State_Controller → California_State_Controller

There should be just a page listing what a State Controller is in general, and it can list links to pages for all 50 State Controllers Yoda of Borg (talk) 17:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree that it should not redirect only to the one for California. I support the suggestion of the nominator. I (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

☒ → Ballot box

Unlikely search term. --Thinboy00 @919, i.e. 21:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I seriously doubt someone would type in that unicode (it is unicode right?) character and be looking for somewhere specific, i.e. ballot box. I (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pedo Bear → 4chan

"Pedobear" was salted. I don't see any purpose of this redirect. Cockmongler, Happy Negro, Pedobear and other similar 4chan memes are all non-notable and have zero reliable sources about them. Unencyclopedic redirect.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 23:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Personally, I believe Pedobear should be redirected to 4chan, but stay protected. I think it's very likely someone would search for popular 4chan memes. I believe the memes originated from the /b/ board, right? If so, there's a section on /b/ at the 4chan article that we could redirect memes to. I (talk) 00:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where do we draw the line, though? Wikichan has documented huge numbers of 4chan memes, but all are non-notable in terms of reliable sources, and some are less known even within the 4chan community than others.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 00:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, they obviousy aren't notable individually, otherwise they would be articles, not redirects. Redirects don't need to have notability by themselves, they just need to be a term that one would search for, and need to end up in a certain place (the redirect location). Things like Pedobear is, in my mind, clearly something someone would search for, and instead of getting nowhere, it would be best if they ended up in the /b/ section of the 4chan article. Where the line is drawn would indeed be difficult to establish, but I believe we can deal with them on a case by case basis. In this case, I see the Pedobear meme as deserving a redirect. I (talk) 00:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Cockmongler is one of the most famous 4chan memes, and yet it'd still totally qualify for CSD G10 as an attack page even as a redirect, because it's about a picture of a living person that some people thought it would be funny to say that he "likes to mongle cocks". It's similar to the Brian Peppers case and is not the sort of thing Wikipedia should have within its content at all per WP:BLP. Happy Negro could be seen as a similar WP:BLP violation, although he is really a male porn star (non-notable and salted under his real (stage?) name) from the Bang Bus website. I guess that Pedobear is slightly different in that it does not concern a living person, but it's still pretty stupid. Thoughts?-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 00:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, there are no reliable sources that mention Pedobear, Cockmongler or Happy Negro (or LOL WUT or An Hero or any of the other 4chan memes) even to warrant them a mention within the article without straying into WP:OR.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 00:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't neccesarily say we should discuss the memes. Merely have prevalent ones exist as redirects. I (talk) 01:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Prevalent" is completely subjective in this case. Whilst I'd agree that Pedobear appears to be one of the most prominent 4chan memes, I think that if we were to ask Jimbo, he'd disapprove of every single one of these redirects, and I agree with him, primarily because there are no reliable sources documenting that Pedobear, Cockmongler or Happy Negro even exist, which doesn't even warrant them a mention anywhere in the the 4chan article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 01:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The way I see it, they still fall within the scope of WP:NFT, even if they are well-known within a certain community. Wikipedia is an anomaly within Web 2.0 in that it doesn't allow you to promote yourself or your own ideas, unlike YouTube and MySpace.-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 01:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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