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'''Paul Reubens''' (born [[August 27]], [[1952]]) is an [[United States|American]] [[actor]], [[writer]], and [[comedian]], known professionally for his character '''[[Pee-wee Herman]]'''. Reubens starred in the television series ''[[Pee-wee's Playhouse]]'' from 1986 until 1990. He also starred in an [[HBO]] special called ''[[The Pee-wee Herman Show]]'', the [[1985 in film|1985]] movie ''[[Pee-wee's Big Adventure]]'', and the [[1988 in film|1988]] [[film|movie]] ''[[Big Top Pee-wee]]''. He has since gone on to take [[role]]s in other [[film]]s, [[music video]]s, [[video game]]s, and also, to make brief appearances on assorted [[Talk/Chat show|talk shows]].


==Early life and education==
== Holy Grail ==
Reubens was born '''Paul Rubenfeld''' in [[Peekskill, New York|Peekskill]], [[New York]], and grew up in [[Sarasota, Florida|Sarasota]], [[Florida]], where his parents, Judy and Milton, owned a lamp store. His mother was a teacher and his father also worked as an automobile salesperson<ref>[http://www.filmreference.com/film/57/Paul-Reubens.html Paul Reubens Biography (1952-)<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and had flown for the British in World War II, later becoming one of the founding pilots of the [[Israeli Air Force]] during the 1948 war of independence.<ref>[http://101squadron.com/101real/people/rubenfeld.html Milton Rubenfeld<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> Paul has two younger siblings, Luke (b. 1958), who is a [[dog trainer]], and Abby (b. 1953),<ref>{{cite news |first=Judy |last=Klemesrud |publisher=The New York Times |title=Never Underestimate Power of a Woman, Even at Princeton |work= |page= |date=1971-12-16 |accessdate=2008-10-08|quote= |url=http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70913FE3C591A7493C4A81789D95F458785F9 }}</ref> who has been described by [[The Tennessean]] as "an [[attorney at law|attorney]], mother, lesbian and board member of the American Civil Liberties Union of Tennessee,"<ref>{{cite news |first=Art |last=Toalston |publisher=Baptist Press |title=Pro-homosexual proposals withdrawn, but issue isn't over in Nashville |work= |page= |date=2003-02-05 |accessdate=2008-10-08|quote= |url=http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?id=15172 }}</ref> she is also an adjunct professor at [[Vanderbilt University Law School]] and former chair of the [[Civil rights|Individual Rights and Responsibilities]] section of the [[American Bar Association]] and of the [[National Lesbian and Gay Law Association]].<ref>[http://law.vanderbilt.edu/faculty/affiliated-faculty/abby-r-rubenfeld/index.aspx Vanderbilt Law School web site]</ref><ref>[http://www.nlgla.org/pastChairs.html NLGLA]</ref><ref>[http://www.abanet.org/irr/history/acknowledgments.html American Bar Association Official web site, page of IR & R hisory]</ref>


Some commentators claim that Wolfram's ''Parzival'' dates from decades after Chretien's ''Perceval'', while yet other commentators think that the works are contemporary. Like I said previously, the subject matter is an area where the beginners stray in at their peril. Nothing is "simple" about this subject matter (because of the uncertainty over dates and the different takes offered by the various authors) and it is no good trying to convey otherwise. [[User:Wfgh66|Wfgh66]] ([[User talk:Wfgh66|talk]]) 12:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
As a child, Reubens would frequent the [[Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus]], whose headquarters was in Sarasota during the winter. The circus sparked his interest in entertainment, with the colours and the atmosphere of the circus influencing later work of Reubens.<ref>{{cite news |first= |last=|Publisher= St. Petersburg Times|title= Playing hooky?|page= |date= 1990-10-22|accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=JL8MAAAAIBAJ&dq=ringling%20circus%20paul%20reubens&sjid=P18DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5178%2C2319115}}</ref> Besides the circus, Reubens loved to watch reruns of ''[[I Love Lucy]]'' that made him want to make people laugh,<ref name="av"/> and at age five ask his father to build him a stage.<ref name="tribute">{{cite news |first= Karen S|last=|Publisher=SFist|title= SFist Goes to the Paul Reubens Tribute|page= |date= 2007-01-23|accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://sfist.com/2007/01/23/sfist_goes_to_the_paul_reubens_tribute.php}}</ref>


:No commentator claims Parzival is "contemporary" to Chretien's work, it must have come after it, as it is based on it, and I have never heard a date earlier than the 13th century. At any rate, the other major versions from any time period (Robert de Boron, the Lancelot-Grail, the Post-Vulgate, Malory) have the grail as a cup or dish. The point of the intro is to summarize what the article says, currently it gives a concise and clear summary of what will come later. All the other versions are discussed in detail where it's appropriate in the article.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Reubens attended [[Sarasota High School]], where he was named president of the National Thespian Society. He also joined the local Asolo Theater and Players of Sarasota Theater, appearing in a variety of plays.<ref name="grown up">{{cite news |first= Shawn|last=Hubler |Publisher= The Star|title= Pee-wee's all grown up|page= |date= 2007-04-04|accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/199144}}</ref> After graduating he attended [[Boston University]] for one year before deciding to seek his fortune as Paul Reubens in [[Hollywood, Los Angeles, California|Hollywood]]. There, he enrolled as an acting major at the [[California Institute of the Arts]] and started working in restaurant kitchens and as a [[Fuller Brush Company|Fuller Brush]] salesman.<ref name="tribute"/>


== AfD nomination of Wikitruth ==
In the 1970s, Reubens performed at local comedy clubs and made four guest appearances on ''[[The Gong Show]]'' as part of a boy-girl act.<ref name="grown up"/> He soon joined the [[Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]]-based improvisational comedy team [[The Groundlings]] and remained a member for six years, working with [[Bob McClurg]], [[John Paragon]], Susan Barnes, and [[Phil Hartman]]. Hartman and Reubens became friends, often writing and working on material together.


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===Pee-wee Herman===
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[[Image:PaulReubens as Pee-Wee.png|thumb|left|150px|Reubens giving an interview in character at the 1988 [[60th Academy Awards|Academy Awards]]]]
The character of "Pee-wee Herman" first originated during a 1978 [[improvisation]] exercise with The Groundlings where Reubens came up with the idea of a man who wanted to be a comic, but was so inept at telling jokes that it was obvious for the audience that he would never make it.<ref name="bigger">{{cite news |first=Sam |last=Hurwitt |Publisher=San Francisco Gate |title=Much bigger than Pee-wee|page= |date= 2007-01-07|accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/07/PKGBUNACBV1.DTL&type=printable }}</ref> Fellow Groundling [[Phil Hartman]] would afterwards help Reubens develop the character while another Groundling, [[John Paragon]], would help write the show.<ref>{{cite news |first=Bob |last=Thompson |Publisher=Jam! |title=The jerky guy |page= |date=1996-12-01 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/Artists/H/Hartman_Phil/1996/12/01/758979.html }}</ref><ref name="tour toys">{{cite news |first=Ernst |last=Tucker |Publisher=The Desert News |title=Pee Wee's back on tour, so bring along your toys |page= |date=1984-05-09 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=LvoOAAAAIBAJ&dq=pee%20wee%20born%20the%20groundlings&sjid=7oIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4982%2C3813932 }}</ref> Despite having been compared to other famous characters, such as [[Hergé]]'s [[Tintin and Snowy|Tintin]] and [[Carlo Collodi|Collodi]]'s [[Pinocchio]],<ref name="once future"/><ref name="limelight">{{cite news |first=Robert |last=Lloyd |Publisher=Los Angeles Times |title=Pee-wee's back in the limelight |page= |date=2006-07-10 |accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/10/entertainment/et-peewee }}</ref> Reubens says that there is no specific source for "Pee-wee" but rather a collection of ideas. Pee-wee's voice originated in 1970 when Reubens appeared in a production of ''[[Life With Father]]'', where he was cast as one of the most obnoxious characters in the play, for which Reubens adopted a cartoon-like way of speaking that would become Pee-wee's.<ref name="local boy">{{cite news |first= Hal|last=Lipper |Publisher= St. Petersburg Times|title= Local boy makes good|page= |date= 1985-11-25|accessdate=2008-10-06|url= http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6d4MAAAAIBAJ&dq=milton%20rubenfeld&sjid=f2YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5141%2C2412998}}</ref><ref name="playhouse again">{{cite news |first=Tim |last=Cuprisin |Publisher=Milwaukee Journal Sentinel |title=Pee-wee's back in the playhouse again |page= |date=2006-07-13 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=466899 }}</ref> Pee-wee's name is a mixture of a 1-inch Pee Wee brand [[harmonica]] Reubens had as a child while Herman was the surname of an energetic boy Reubens knew from his youth.<ref name="playhouse again"/><ref>{{cite web|url=http://peeweestory.tripod.com/article/vf091999.html|title=The Pee-wee Herman Story|publisher=Vanity Fair|author=Bruce Handy|date=Sep 1999|accessdate=2007-02-06}}</ref> The first small grey suit Pee-wee ever wore had been handmade for director and founder of the Groundlings [[Gary Austin]], who passed it on to Reubens, while "someone" handed him the "little-kid bow tie" before a show.<ref name="small">{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=Time |title=Pee-wee's Small Adventure |page= |date=2006-07-13 |accessdate=2008-10-06|url=http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1213754,00.html}}</ref><ref name="twenty">{{cite news |first=Brian M. |last= Raftery |Publisher=Entertainment Weekly |title=Pee-wee Turns 20 |page=1 |date= |accessdate=2008-10-06|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1515978,00.html }}</ref>


== I don't understand ==
====''The Pee-wee Herman Show'': 1981–1984====
{{main|The Pee-wee Herman Show}}
Reubens auditioned for ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' for the 1980-1981 season, but [[Gilbert Gottfried]], who was a close friend of the show's producer and had the same acting style as Reubens, got the place.<ref name="tribute"/><ref name="twenty"/> Reubens was so angry and bitter that he decided he would borrow money and start his own show in [[Los Angeles]] using the character he had been developing during the last few years, "[[Pee-wee Herman]]".<ref name="happy">{{cite news |first=Peter |last=Hartlaub |Publisher=San Francisco Gate |title=Pee-wee may be heading back to his Playhouse. But for now, he's happy to be Paul Reubens. |page= |date=2007-01-24 |accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/2007/01/24/PEEWEE.TMP }}</ref>


How or what did you mean when you said [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=American&diff=prev&oldid=217013701 this]? I'm not bothered by your edits there, just curious about that edit summary. Please reply on your talk page, [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 06:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
With the help of [[Phil Hartman]] and [[Lynne Marie Stewart]], Pee-wee acquired a small group of followers and Reubens took his show to [[The Roxy Theatre]] where "''The Pee-wee Herman Show''" runned for five sellout months, going into the mainstream with the successful 1981 [[Home Box Office|HBO]] special ''[[The Pee-wee Herman Show]]''.<ref name="creator speaks"/> Reubens act had mainly positive reactions and quickly acquired a group of fans, despite being described as "bizarre",<ref name="heart">{{cite news |first=Marylynn |last=Uricchio |Publisher=Pittsburgh Post-Gazette |title=Pee-wee pedals his way into your heart |page= |date=1985-08-09 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xVENAAAAIBAJ&dq=david%20letterman%20paul%20reubens&sjid=PW4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=3189%2C2618919}}</ref> and Reubens being described as "the weirdest comedian around".<ref>{{cite news |first=Rick |last=Sherwood |Publisher=Pittsburgh Post-Gazette |title=Today in preview |page= |date=1983-05-17 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=v00NAAAAIBAJ&dq=pee%20wee%20herman&sjid=mW0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5827%2C3780669}}</ref> Pee-wee was both "[[wiktionary:corny|corny]]" and "[[Hip (slang)|hip]]", "[[retro]]grade" and "[[avant-garde]]".<ref name="puberty">{{cite news |first=Rick |last=Sherwood |Publisher=Time |title=The Prince of Prepuberty Grows Up |page= |date=1988-08-01 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,968038,00.html}}</ref>


:It was just a mistake, i hit the return key too quickly and it filled in the text from a previous edit summary. I meant to say "not only called American". The undo feature does not remove botched edit summaries, however.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 06:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
When "Pee-wee"'s fame started growing, Reubens started to move away from the spotlight, keeping his name under wraps and making all his public appearance and interviews in character while billing Pee-wee as playing himself; Reubens was trying to "get the public to think that that was a real person".<ref name="creator speaks">{{cite news |first= Stone|last=Phillips |Publisher= MSNBC.com|title= Pee-wee Herman creator speaks out|page= |date= 2004-04-05|accessdate=2008-10-10|url= http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4653913/}}</ref><ref name="bigger"/> In the early and mid 1980s Reubens made several guest appearances on ''[[Late Night with David Letterman]]'' as Pee-wee Herman which gave Pee-wee an even bigger following.<ref name="heart"/> During the mid 1980s Reubens traveled the [[United States]] with a whole new ''The Pee-wee Herman Show'', playing notably at the [[Guthrie Theater]] in [[Minneapolis, Minnesota|Minneapolis]], [[Caroline's]] in [[New York City]] and, in 1984, in front of a full [[Carnegie Hall]].


::That explains it. Guess it was a wierd coincidence that I happened to edit [[Tupac Shakur|Tupac Amaru Shakur]]'s article when I saw that edit summary at [[American]] (popped up on my watchlist). Actually, shouldn't there be a mention of the artist on [[Tupac Amaru (disambiguation)]]? Or should the [[Tupac]] dab be listed there instead? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 07:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
====''Pee-wee's Big Adventure''====
{{main article|Pee-wee's Big Adventure}}
While on a [[Warner Bros.]] set, Reubens noticed that most of the people rode around on bicycles, and asked when he would get his. Warner Bros. presented him with a refurbished 1940s [[Schwinn Bicycle Company|Schwinn]]; Reubens then abandoned the Pee-wee Herman script he was writing in favor of one about Herman's love for his bike and his efforts to locate it once it was stolen. Hartman, Reubens, and [[Michael Varhol]] co-wrote the script for ''[[Pee-wee's Big Adventure]]'', and in 1985 the film, directed by [[Tim Burton]] and scored by [[Danny Elfman]], was released. Reubens was the originator of the "Pee-wee dance" in the movie, and he had performed it publicly many times prior to the making of the film.


:::Tupac Shakur should not be listed on that page, as Tupac Amaru is only part of his name, according to [[Wikipedia:MOSDAB#Examples_of_individual_entries_that_should_not_be_created|the MOS]]. I don't think [[Tupac]] needs to go their either, as no one will type in or click on Tupac Amaru if they're only looking for Tupac, but that's just me. You might could add it to the See also section if you want.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
====''Pee-wee's Playhouse'': 1986–1990====
{{main article|Pee-wee's Playhouse}}
After seeing the success that Pee-Wee's ''Adventure'' had had [[CBS]] approached Reubens with an ill-received [[cartoon series]] proposal.<ref name="limelight"/> In 1986 CBS agreed to sign Reubens to act, produce, and direct his [[live-action]] children's program, ''[[Pee-wee's Playhouse]]'', with a budget of $325,000 per episode, the same price as a [[prime-time]] [[sitcom]],<ref name="creator speaks"/> and no creative interference from CBS; although CBS did requested 3-6 minor changes throughout the years.<ref name="av"/> After casting actors like [[Laurence Fishburne]] and [[S. Epatha Merkerson]], production began in [[New York City]] in the summer of 1986 in a converted loft on [[Broadway]] which one of the show's writers, George McGrath, described as a "[[sweatshop]]". Reubens moved the production to [[Los Angeles]] for season 2 in 1987, resulting in a new set and a more relaxed work atmosphere<ref name="twenty"/>
[[Image:Pee wee's Playhouse.png|thumb|right|Cowboy Curtis ([[Laurence Fishburne]]) and Pee-Wee on the 1990 episode ''Camping Out'']]


::::Done ;) I have also watchlisted that page in case of vandalism issues and such. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 04:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


== Neither do I ==
''Playhouse'' was designed as an educational yet entertaining show for children, being greatly influenced by 1950s shows Reubens watched as a child like ''[[The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show]]'', ''[[The Mickey Mouse Club]]'', ''[[Captain Kangaroo]]'' and ''[[Howdy Doody]]'', ''Playhouse'' quickly acquired a dual audience of kids and grownups.<ref name="small"/><ref name="once future"/><ref name="playhouse again"/> Reubens was also after making a significantly moral show, one that would teach children the [[Ethic of reciprocity|ethics of reciprocity]]. He was always conscious of the importance of having an ethnically diverse cast.<ref name="small"/> Reubens believed that children liked the ''Playhouse'' because it was fast-paced, colorful and "never talked them down"; while parents liked the ''Playhouse'' because it reminded them of the past.<ref name="small"/>
Lima's improvements will be welcome but not when she deletes wholesale and refuses to discuss. --[[User:Kabad|Kabad]] ([[User talk:Kabad|talk]]) 17:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


I see your point; I wasn't comfortable reverting all her changes. It's just that her edit is good and bad at the same time. Please ask her to improve article without deleting sourced information. --[[User:Kabad|Kabad]] ([[User talk:Kabad|talk]]) 23:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
''Playhouse''s premise was host Pee-wee Herman living in a wild house, known as the Playhouse, full of [[pop art]], [[vintage]] toys, talking furniture and other puppet and human characters. Each episode usually contained a running gag particular to that episode, and/or a specific occasion that would send Pee-wee into an emotional frenzy. The show had many [[Pee-wee's Playhouse#Recurring gags, themes, and devices|recurring gags, themes, and devices]], for example at the beginning of each show, viewers were told the day's "secret word" and were instructed to "scream real loud" every time a character on the show said the word. Despite being a live action show there were lots of puppet and [[clay animation]] sequences, some of them made by [[Peter Lord]] and [[Nick Park]], creators of ''[[Wallace & Gromit]]''. Occasionally brief clips from the 1930s, the [[Golden Age of American animation|Golden Age]], would appear, usually presented by the "King of Cartoons".<ref name="limelight"/>


== Sign an RFC ==
The show aired from September 13, 1986 until November 10, 1990. Reubens had originally agreed to do two more seasons after the third, and when CBS asked Reubens about the possibility of a sixth season he declined, wanting to take a couple of sabbatical years.<ref name="twenty"/> Both parties mutually agreed to end the show after five season, which included [[List of Pee-wee's Playhouse episodes|45 episodes]] and a [[Pee-wee's Playhouse Christmas Special|Christmas Special]].<ref>{{cite news|title="Pee-wee's Playhouse" comeback aimed at adults|author=Christopher Short|publisher=The Gazette (Colorado Springs)|date=July 20, 2006}}</ref> ''Playhouse'' garnered 22 [[Daytime Emmy Award|Emmy Awards]], most of them in the [[Creative Arts Emmy Award]] category.


See [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Esimal]]. I believe this user has continued to engage in the disputed behavior, and I need another person to sign. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] ([[User talk:The Evil Spartan|talk]]) 22:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
In 1987, he provided the voice of REX, the bumbling pilot droid in the [[Disneyland Park (Anaheim)|Disneyland]] attraction, [[Star Tours]], and reprised the role of Pee-wee Herman in a cameo appearances in the film ''[[Back to the Beach]]'' and TV show [[Sesame Street]]. In 1988, Reubens reprised the role of Pee-wee Herman in a sequel to ''Pee-wee's Big Adventure'', entitled ''[[Big Top Pee-wee]]''. Reubens attended 1988 [[60th Academy Awards|Academy Awards]] with ''Top'' co-star [[Valeria Golino]], which stirred rumours that the two were dating.<ref>{{cite news|title=Love Finds Pee-wee Under the `Big Top,' he discovers romance|author=|publisher=Chicago Sun-Times |date=Jul 17, 1988}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Smooch Ado About Pee-wee |author=Kim Masters|publisher=The Washington Post|date=Jul 20, 1988}}</ref> Also that year, "Pee-wee" was awarded a star on the [[Hollywood Walk of Fame]].


:I chipped in. If you need more let me know. He certainly seems to be a long-term disruptive user.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 03:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
====Pee-wee's legacy====
[[CBS]] aired reruns of the ''Playhouse'' from November 2000 until July 2001, when Reubens was [[Paul Reubens#Indecent exposure arrest: 1991|arrested]], pulling out from their schedule the last two remaining reruns.<ref name="I">{{cite news |first= Dave|last=Itzkoff |Publisher=The New York Times |title= I, Pee-wee|page= |date= 2004-11-07|accessdate=2008-10-12|url= http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/arts/television/07itzk.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/D/DVD%20(Digital%20Versatile%20Disk)&oref=slogin}}</ref> [[Fox Family Channel]] briefly aired reruns of the ''Playhouse'' in 1998.<ref name="twenty"/> In early July 2006, [[Cartoon Network (United States)|Cartoon Network]] began running a promo during its [[Adult Swim]] lineup. The promo consisted of a black screen with the text, "Remember This?" displayed, while the beginning of the ''Pee-wee's Playhouse'' theme song played in the background. The commercial then faded to the text "Coming July 10, 2006." A later press release and many other promos confirmed that the show's 45 original episodes would air on the block Monday to Thursday at 11 P.M. [[Eastern Time Zone|ET]] starting on that date.<ref>{{cite web |url = http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=10954 |title = "Pee-wee's Playhouse" Comes To Adult Swim In July |publisher = Toonzone |author = Matthew Williams
|date= 5 June 2006 |accessdate = 2007-02-06}}</ref> However, later on in August 2006, Adult Swim started airing ''Pee-wee's Playhouse'' at 12:00 A.M. ET. ''Playhouse'' attracted 1.5 million viewers nightly.


== [[Talk:War of Heaven#Appeal for intervention]] ==
On November 2004 all 45 episodes of the ''Playhouse'', plus six episodes that had never before been released in home video, were released on DVD split between two box set collection. On 2005 the DVDs were re-released with [[audio commentary]] from Reuebens and other memebers of the cast.<ref>{{cite news |first=Official Press Release |last= |Publisher=Cinematical |title=Pee-wee's Playhouse|page= |date=2004-06-08|accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Pee-wees-Playhouse/1653 }}</ref>


If it is not too much trouble, I would like you to express your view. Not many people visit the page. [[User:Lima|Lima]] ([[User talk:Lima|talk]]) 12:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Pee-wee's small suits seemed hilarious during the 1980s, but since the late 1990s they have made him a "style icon",<ref>{{cite news |first=Robert E. |last=Bryan |Publisher=The New York Times |title=The Talk; Short Story |page= |date=2005-09-18 |accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9802E0D8113CF93BA2575AC0A9639C8B63 }}</ref> with fashion houses and designers like [[Christopher Bailey]], [[Ennio Capasa]], [[Miuccia Prada]],<ref>{{cite news |first=Guy |last=Trebay |Publisher=The New York Times |title=Sizing Up the Cut of a Man |page= |date=2008-05-22 |accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/fashion/22men.html?fta=y }}</ref> [[Viktor & Rolf]],<ref>{{cite news |first=Guy |last=Trebay |Publisher=The New York Times |title=A Search for Men's Fashion Starts at the Lost and Found |page= |date=2003-01-14|accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F03E2D81531F937A25752C0A9659C8B63 }}</ref> and [[Thom Browne]] creating cut tight suits with high armholes and short trousers that have been compared to Pee-wee's.<ref>{{cite news |first=David |last=Colman |Publisher=The New York Times |title=A Man in Short|page= |date=2006-10-19|accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E7DD1F30F93AA25753C1A9609C8B63 }}</ref> In early 2007 [[Nike, Inc|Nike]] released a collection of [[Nike Skateboarding|Nike SB]] sneakers called "Fallen Heroes". The collection was loosely inspired by [[Milli Vanilli]], [[MC Hammer]], [[Vanilla Ice]] and Pee-wee Herman. Pee-wee's sneakers use a grey and white color scheme with red detail, and an illustration on the insole of a man in suit sitting alone in a theatre with his hand on his lap, suggesting Reubens' 1991 theatre arrest.<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=Nice Kicks |title=Nike Dunk High SB Pee Wee Herman |page= |date=|accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://www.nicekicks.com/nike-dunk-high-sb-pee-wee-herman/ }}</ref><ref>{{cite news |first=Mark |last=Beall |Publisher=Cinematical |title=Pee-wee Herman Shoes |page= |date=2006-09-06|accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://www.cinematical.com/2006/09/06/pee-wee-herman-shoes/ }}</ref>


== Percival edits ==
Reubens has mentioned he has plans for a museum, which would contain many of the ''Playhouse'' sets and props he still owns.<ref name="I"/>


I've reverted your exclusion of the Monaco novels and the re-inclusion of the Rohmer film, and opened a discussion in the article discussion. - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 20:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
On Saturday, [[August 5]], [[2007]] at a showing of ''Pee-wee's Big Adventure'' in the ''[[Hollywood Forever Cemetery]]'' in Hollywood, CA, Reubens made an appearance on stage before the show, bringing with him almost the entire cast of the film to the uproarious applause and standing ovation. [[Elizabeth Daily|E.G. Daily]] (Dotty), Judd Omen (Mickey), Diane Salinger (Simone), Daryl Keith Roach (Chuck the bike shop owner), and [[Mark Holton]] (Francis) were all present. In October 2006, Reubens made a rare public appearance at an east-coast fan convention, "Chiller Theater," with "[[Pee-wee's Playhouse]]" co-star, [[Lynne Marie Stewart]]. There he donned a gray suit with a bold red necktie, and signed autographed pictures and other memorabilia-- along with posing for photographs with fans.<ref>{{cite web |url = http://web.mac.com/thekingpaul/iWeb/Site/Chiller%20Theatre%20Oct.%202006.html |title = Chiller Theatre Oct 2006: |publisher = Chiller Theatre |author = |month = October | year = 2006 |accessdate = 2007-02-06}}</ref>


== Fate/Stay Night ==
===Arrests and retreat from public eye: 1991–2004===
====Indecent exposure arrest: 1991====
On July 26, 1991, while in town visiting relatives, Reubens was arrested in [[Sarasota, Florida]] for [[Masturbation|masturbating]] publicly in an [[adult theater]] during a screening of ''[[Nurse Nancy]]'' and ''Turn up the Heat''. This was not Reubens first arrest in the county, being his first time in 1971, for loitering and prowling near and adult theater, charges that were later dropped, and his second time being in 1983 when Reubens was placed on two years' probation for possession of marijuana, although adjudication was withheld.<ref name="no contest">{{cite news |first= |last=|Publisher= The Seattle Times|title=`Pee-wee Herman' Pleads No Contest|page= |date=1991-11-08 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19911108&slug=1316042}}</ref> The news media went into a frenzy with this new arrest and the scandal turned both Pee-wee and Reubens into a punchline. Reubens had not been in character for a year and a half but because CBS was still running reruns of ''[[Pee-wee's Playhouse]]'', Reubens infamous [[mugshot]], which didn't depict the clean-cut look Reubens had shown for the last decade,<ref>{{cite news |first=Hank |last=Stuever|Publisher=Washington Post|title=Question Celebrity|page= |date=2005-10-30 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/25/AR2005102501369_pf.html}}</ref> but a "greasy, bearded freak" with a "scary goatee", shocked the public, many assuming the show had been cancelled because of the arrest.<ref name="no contest"/><ref name="bigger">{{cite news |first=Joel |last=Stein|Publisher= Time|title=Bigger Than Pee-wee|page= |date=2001-04-09 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,999636-1,00.html}}</ref>


While I can applaud your enthusiasm about your chosen areas of expertise, I believe you're mistaken in trying to apply the logic that because a Christian artifact and King Arthur are in a game, that means the game revolves around Arthurian legends. The part does not make the whole, and the game itself is most certainly NOT about that. You're mistaking a small part for the whole, and I'd be just as set against adding Christian Mythology as a category, or any others that represent a part of the games background rather than the whole. If you really want to add the Category, put it on the discussion page and let's get some other input. I'd hate for this to turn into a revert war, after all. Better to discuss it than risk that. [[User:Nezu Chiza|Nezu Chiza]] ([[User talk:Nezu Chiza|talk]]) 01:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Reubens' attorneys agreed to the offered [[plea]] with Reubens pleading [[Nolo contendere|no contest]], while maintaining his innocence, so as to avoid what would have been a highly publicized trial. The plea kept the charge off Reubens record, and had his pledge to spend at least 75 hours doing community service, making an anti-drug [[public service announcement]] that he would write, produce and finance. He also agreed to pay a $50 fine and $85.75 in court costs.<ref name="no contest nyt">{{cite news |first=Larry |last=Rohter|Publisher= Time|title=Pee-wee Herman Enters a Plea of No Contest|page= |date=1991-11-08 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE1DB163EF93BA35752C1A967958260}}</ref> The state attorney claimed to be ready to go to trial as they had a video tape incriminating Reubens, but Sarasota County Judge Judy Goldman said she was willing to accept the plea agreement because it spared the county the cost, effort and publicity of a trial.<ref name="no contest nyt"/> In fact the county had already spent $2,000 in overtime pay for ten deputies who protected Reubens at the courthouse.<ref name="no contest"/>


== Arthur = Airthir ? ==
Despite the negative publicity and backlash from CBS, many actors that knew Reubens like [[Annette Funicello]], [[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] and [[Valeria Golino]] spoke out in support of Reubens.<ref name="speaking">{{cite news |first= |last=|Publisher= Entertainment Weekly|title=Speaking Out|page= |date=1994-08-16 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,315142,00.html}}</ref> [[Bill Cosby]] defended Reubens, saying "Whatever (Reubens has) done, this is being blown all out of proportion." Other people that knew Reubens like ''Playhouse'''s production designer [[Gary Panter]], [[S. Epatha Merkerson]] and ''Big Top Pee-wee'' director Randal Kleiser also spoke out against the way Reubens was being treated by the media.<ref name="twenty"/><ref name="speaking"/> Reubens' fans also organized rallies of support. According to [[Entertainment Weekly]], "several dozen vocal Pee-weeites picketed in L.A. and New York [a week later], and 250 demonstrated in San Francisco the following day."<ref>{{cite episode | title = Pee-wee Herman | episodelink = | series = [[E! True Hollywood Story]] | serieslink = | airdate = 1998-06-21 | season = 2 | number = 42}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title=Pee-wee and Sympathy |url=http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,315140,00.html |publisher=[[Entertainment Weekly]] |date=1991-08-16 | |accessdate=2008-08-04}}</ref> It was much implied at the time that he had gotten arrested on purpose to "get out from under the Pee-wee character", allegations Reubens has dismissed many times as ridiculous: "That’s like saying [[Lana Clarkson]] shot herself in the face.” (Which is what [[Phil Spector]], the record producer, on trial for her murder, says she did in 2003.)<ref name="once future">{{cite news |first=Ruth |last=La Ferla|Publisher= The New York Times|title= The Once and future Pee-wee|page= |date=2007-05-20 |accessdate=2008-10-06|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/fashion/20peewee.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all }}</ref>


Hi Cuchullain. The [C.E.L.T.] Annals of Ulster from Circa C5th to C13th quotes on: Cluain Airthir. Inc [U467.3] “Death of Uter Pendragon, king of England, to whom succeeded his son, King Arthur, who instituted the Round Table”: [U610.1] Death of Aed son of Colgu, king of Ind Airthir: [U625.2] Rónán son of Tuathal, king of Ind Airthir died: [U748.7]: The slaying of Congal son of Éicnech, king of Int Airthir, in Ráith Escla &c. Are these genealogical references to Arthurs; Irish Airthir descendants/Clans?[[User:Stephen2nd|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd|talk]]) 20:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Reubens made his last appearance as Pee-wee at the MTV's 1991 Video Music Awards, where he asked the audience, "Heard any good jokes lately?", after the audience gave him a standing ovation Reubens said, "Ha, that's so funny I forgot to laugh!". He appeared as Pee-wee once more in 1992, when he participated in a Grand Ole Opry tribute to Minnie Pearl.<ref name="twenty"/><ref name="limelight"/>


:I'm not sure what you're asking. The first one appears to just be an Irish copy of the British genealogies. The others seem to refer to the placename Airthir, which is in [[Airgíalla]].--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 22:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
====1990s and ''Blow''====
During the 1990s Reubens kept a low profile, dedicating himself to write and collect a variety of things, "everything from fake food, to lamps".<ref name="creator speaks"/>, although he did do some [[Dubbing (filmmaking)|dubbing]] and took small parts in films such as 1992's ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer (film)|Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' and [[Tim Burton]]'s ''[[Batman Returns]]'', 1996's ''[[Matilda (film)|Matilda]]'' and ''[[Dunston Checks In]]'' and 2000 ''[[South of Heaven, West of Hell]]''. In 1993 he dubbed for [[Lock, Shock, and Barrel|Lock]] in another one of Burton's productions, ''[[The Nightmare Before Christmas]]''. Reubens also dubbed Lock for the video game ''[[The Nightmare Before Christmas: Oogie's Revenge]]''. During the mid-1990s Reubens landed a recurring role on the hit TV series ''[[Murphy Brown]]''. The role earned him positive reviews and his first and only non-Pee-wee [[Primetime Emmy Award|Emmy]] nomination in the [[Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Guest Actor - Comedy Series|Outstanding Guest Actor in a Comedy Series]]. He appeared six times on the show between 1995–1997.


::I believe the existence of any historical person, as fact or fiction, research should not be unduly influenced in geographical location &/or such identities, ie British, Welsh, Irish, Scottish or English. {NB: W.I.S.E; Placenames and persons are often assosiated, by genealogical ancestries &/or descendancies.)
In 1999 Reubens was in his way to making a comeback, he even started making public appearances and started giving interviews as himself while promoting ''[[Mystery Men]]'', the first being at ''[[The Tonight Show]]'' in 1999.<ref name="empire">{{cite news |first=Jancee |last=Dunn |Publisher=Time Out New York |title=All Blown Up |page= |date=2001-04-05 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~paulreubens/magazine/allbrownup/paulreubensallbrownup.htm}}</ref> In 2001, Reubens had his first extended television role since the ''Playhouse'' as the host of the short-lived [[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] TV show ''[[You Don't Know Jack (game show)|You Don't Know Jack]]'', based on the game [[You Don't Know Jack|of the same name]]. Reubens had doubts about the show, which was considered a risk, but eventually agreed to do it. The show was cancelled after six episodes for low-ratings.<ref>{{cite news |first=Verne |last=Gay |Publisher=Amarillo |title=Do you know Jack? |page= |date=2001-06-21 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.amarillo.com/stories/062001/ent_knowjack.shtml}}</ref>
::What I'm asking is - The Annals of Ulster verified King of England Uther Pendragon died 467ad, and his son King Arthur succeeded him and instituted the Round Table. Ergo, ''King Arthur actually succeeded as King of England in 467ad, and instituted his Round Table Knights in 467ad.'' In the many debates of whether King Arthur and the Round Table were fact or fiction. - Do these ‘facts’ quoted in a ‘verified’ and ‘reliable source,’ merit its inclusion in Wikepedia? Also, with respect to your academic knowledge of such historical research and studies, truthfully; King Arthur, fact or fiction? Round Table, ditto? Regards.[[User:Stephen2nd|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd|talk]]) 16:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::You can't take the Annals of Ulster as being pure fact, or any of the annals or even the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Bias at the time especially by the Monks who compiled the annals, infusing them with Christian elements, make them bad sources for basing "facts" on. And yeah if you read the passage you get the answer on the Ind Aithir bit - it's clearly saying those are kings from a kingdom called Ind Aithir. [[User:Mabuska|Mabuska]] ([[User talk:Mabuska|talk]]) 19:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
:::The problem is that the Annals of Ulster were not written until the 15th century, well after the period they're describing. In this case it seems clear the author is relying on earlier annals for his infomation about Arthur. It would be best to include a secondary source by a reliable modern scholar discussing whether or not this work (or any work) can be trusted.


:::As to whether Arthur was fact or fiction, that's long been a matter of debate. A fellow Wikipedia editor, [[User:Hrothgar cyning|Hrothgar cyning]], has written a book in his real world capacity as a scholar that convincingly argues that Arthur never existed, but was rather a kind of folklore hero who was written into Britain's shadowy early history over time. Hrothgar would be a good person to talk to, but he's been busy. Other scholars have always argued that there was a historical person behind the legends, the most notable one I can think of is [[Geoffrey Ashe]]. Personally I'm agnostic about it - I think there may have been a real Arthur, but at this point we have almost nothing we can say about him with any certainty.
Reubens comeback seemed definitive when he played a flamboyant hairdresser turned drug dealer in [[Ted Demme]]'s drama ''[[Blow (film)|Blow]]'', which starred [[Penelope Cruz]] and [[Johnny Depp]], his performance was praised and he started getting more scripts than ever before.<ref>{{cite news |first=Paul |last=Vercammen |Publisher=CNN |title=A long way from Pee-wee Herman |page= |date=2001-04-10 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://archives.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/10/paul.reubens/index.html }}</ref><ref name="prison">{{cite news |first=Jessica |last=Hundley |Publisher=Guardian |title=Herman's hermit |page= |date=2001-05-26 |accessdate=2008-10-12|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2001/may/26/features }}</ref>


:::As to the Round Table, that's certainly fictional - it is not mentioned before [[Wace]]'s ''[[Roman de Brut]]'' in the 12th century. However, many of the early stories describe Arthur's court as including great warriors from all over the place, so that's certainly where the idea of the Round Table started.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 18:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
====Child pornography arrest: 2001====
In November 2001, while he was filming [[David La Chapelle]]'s video for [[Elton John]]'s ''This Train Don' Stop There Anymore'' Reubens learned that policeman were at his house with a [[search warrant]], acting on a tip from a witness in the pornography case against [[Jeffrey Jones]].<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=NBC San Diego |title='Pee Wee' Star Charged With Child Porn Possession |page= |date=2002-11-18 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/1791346/detail.html }}</ref> founding among [[kitsch]] memorabilia two videotapes and dozens of what the [[city attorney]]'s office characterized as a collection of [[child pornography]]. Kelly Bush, Reubens's [[Personal representative|PR]] at the time, said the description of the items was inaccurate claiming the objects were "[[Rob Lowe]]'s [[Rob_Lowe#Sex_tape_controversy|videotape]] and a few isolated 30- to 100-year-old kitsch collectible images".<ref>{{cite news |first=George |last=Rush |Publisher=NY Daily News |title='Pee Wee' Says His Porn Was Legal Kitsch |page= |date=2003-01-10 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/gossip/2003/01/10/2003-01-10_pee-wee_says_his_porn_was_le.html }}</ref>


==[[Noah Kalina]]==
Reubens turned himself to the [[Los_Angeles_Police_Department#Hollywood_Division|Hollywood Division]] of the [[Los Angeles Police Department|LAPD]] on Novemeber 15, 2002 and was charged with misdemeanor possession of obscene material improperly depicting a child under the age of 18 in sexual conduct.<ref>{{cite news |first=Richard |last=Winton |Publisher=San Francisco Chronicle |title=2nd actor arrested on kid porn charges |page= |date=2002-11-16|accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/11/16/MN236439.DTL }}</ref> He was released on $20,000 bail and could at the time face a maximum sentence of one year in prison and a $2,500 fine.<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=CNN |title=U.S. actor charged as sex offender |page= |date=2003-07-09 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/News/07/09/jeffrey.jones/ }}</ref>
For such a major move, this needs discussion and be decided by [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]]. There was absolutely no discussion on any talk page for this move. A couple of comments in an AfD for Noah Kalina that suggested a move is not in any way in process nor consensus. A proposed merge tag would be more proper. --[[User:Oakshade|Oakshade]] ([[User talk:Oakshade|talk]]) 20:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


:That may be, but moving by copy and paste, as you did, is not proper - it destroys the page history. In order to move [[Everyday (video)]] back to [[Noah Kalina]], an admin will have to do it.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 20:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Reubens was represented by Hollywood criminal defender lawyer Blair Berk, who has also represented [[geneticist]] and convicted felon [[William French Anderson]], actor [[Mel Gibson]], actress [[Lindsay Lohan]] and other celebrities.<ref>{{cite news |first=Reuters |last= |Publisher=The Space |title=Gibson brings in veteran defence lawyer amid drink driving charge |page= |date=2006-08-05 |accessdate=2008-10-11|url=http://arts.abc.net.au/news/artsnews_1707024.htm }}</ref> On December 13, 2002 Reubens pleaded innocent through Berk, who from the beginning seeked to have the charges thrown out. She also complained to court Commissioner that the city attorney's office hadn't turned over its evidence to the defense, which City Attorney Richard Katz countered that prosecutors were not required to do so until after the arraignment, after which they did, although neither side disclosed the contents of the documents.<ref>{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=Associated Press |title=Actor charged with child porn |page= |date=2002-12-13 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.cjonline.com/stories/121902/usw_people.shtml }}</ref>
::I'm seeing your point. But this does need to be reverted back as a non-admin simply moved the page with no discussion nor any kind of consensus. I opened a move discussion. --[[User:Oakshade|Oakshade]] ([[User talk:Oakshade|talk]]) 20:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


:::It doesn't matter who moved it in the first place, or why - moving it back requires admin powers (because deletion and undeletion is involved). That's the only way to preserve the page history. If you want it moved back to Noah Kalina you should go to requested moves.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 20:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
On March 19, 2004, child pornography charges against him were dropped by Los Angeles City Attorney [[Rocky Delgadillo]] after Reubens pleaded guilty to possessing obscene images of minors so as to avoid going to court and risking jail. For the next three years Reubens had to register his address with the sheriff's office and could not be in the company of minors without their parents' permission.<ref name="creator speaks"/>


== Boundaries and statues ==
Reubens later stated that he was a collector of "erotic artwork", a collection that includes films, muscle magazines and a sizeable collection of [[Erotic art|vintage erotica]], such as photographic studies of teen nudes.<ref name="creator speaks"/> Reubens claimed that what the city attorney's office viewed as pornography, he considered innocent art and that what they described as people underage engaged in masturbation or oral copulation was in fact a judgemental point of view of the nudes which Reubens described as people "one hundred percent not" performing sexual acts.<ref name="creator speaks"/>


Hey, Cuch, I'm taking slight issue with your most recent edit to Jacksonville. Regarding the removal of the mention of the statue, I'm wondering what your reason was. Do you just think it's too trivial for the intro, or what? I'll leave it alone until you have a chance to respond.
Said Reubens:
{{cquote| Personally, I think we're living in a very scary time. Do we let the legal system decide in a courtroom what's obscene and what's not obscene?(...) One thing I want to make very, very clear, I don't want anyone for one second to think that I am titillated by images of children. It's not me. You can say lots of things about me. And you might. The public may think I'm weird. They may think I'm crazy or anything that anyone wants to think about me. That's all fine. As long as one of the things you're not thinking about me is that I'm a [[pedophilia|pedophile]]. Because that's not true.}}<ref name="creator speaks"/>


The other edit—your removal of the word "almost" from the opening paragraph—I'm going to go ahead and revert. While the Jax City Council does have general authority over the entire county (acting essentially as the county board), I'm fairly certain that Baldwin and the Beaches are still cities on their own and are not located within the city limits of Jax propers. Regards, [[User:Unschool|Unschool]] ([[User talk:Unschool|talk]]) 00:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Prior to his arrest, Reubens had made a guest appearance on the hit TV series ''[[Everybody Loves Raymond]],'' playing the role of Amy McDougall's comic-book-obsessed brother (Russel McDougall). His arrest prompted the show's star, [[Ray Romano]], to object to Reubens being a part of the show's cast and actor [[Chris Elliott]] was cast as the character of Peter McDougall, apparently a second brother of Amy's, to replace Reubens' role.


:You may be right about the city limits. The City of Jacksonville does have authority over the entire county, but the beaches and Baldwin do have their own governments and their own signs telling you when you're entering or leaving them. It's a pretty minor distinction, as Jacksonville still has authority over them even within their limits, since as you say it acts as the county. I'd like to see something definite about this.
After his arrest Reubens spent the next two years caring for his terminally-ill father in Florida.<ref name="return again">{{cite news |first= |last= |Publisher=MSNBC |title=The return (again) of Pee-wee Herman |page= |date=2007-06-19 |accessdate=2008-10-10|url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19314030/page/2/ }}</ref>


:And yes I thought the statue bit was way too trivial for the lead.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
===2004–present===
In November 2000, Reubens was chairman of the 30th Anniversary Alumni Reunion at his alma mater, [[California Institute of the Arts|CalArts]].


== Thanks! ==
He also appeared in the second music video version of [[The Raconteurs]] song "[[Steady, As She Goes]]". It showed the band in a comical soapbox car race. Reubens played the bad guy who sabotages the race.


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On [[July 30]], [[2006]], Reubens played Rick of the citizen's patrol on the popular Comedy Central show ''[[Reno 911!]]''. The character, Rick, wore a red beret with numerous pins on it, a pair of white gloves, and a small cape. Rick always found clues and evidence that the officers would have otherwise never found, usually making them look very novice. He spoke with a scratchy whisper throughout the entire episode until near the end when officer Dangle plays a voice recorder where Rick is making chicken noises and laughs like Pee-wee Herman.
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for helping to make [[King Arthur]] one of the best articles on Wikipedia! It has slowly evolved into an excellent introduction regarding the legends of Arthur and your efforts were integral to that endeavor! [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] ([[User talk:Awadewit|talk]]) 20:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
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== [[Saint Saturninus]] ==
Reubens played a prince on the ''[[30 Rock]]'' episode "Black Tie", which aired on [[February 1]], [[2007]]. On February 25th, 2007, Reubens made an appearance on the ''[[Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!]]'' as the moon in the closing segment of the episode "Cats". Reubens makes a cameo in ''[[Reno 911!: Miami]]'' as Terry's dad.


Hey there, I just realized we've been reverting each other in regard to whether this page is a dab page or not. Sorry about that, I wasn't paying attention to the fact that I'd done it twice! I can turn this into a proper dab page, but if I do, there is quite a bit of content that will be lost regarding lesser saints that do not have articles. As a dab page, it will include very little information about these saints beyond the links to their articles, and I fear that for some of these entries, this is the only page where this content appears. I am not proficient enough on the topic to feel comfortable creating articles (or stubs) for all of them myself. What I can do is move the content to the talk page in case anyone wants to use it in the future. Please let me know if you don't like the way it turns out. I'm happy to have help in making it right! [[User:SlackerMom|SlackerMom]] ([[User talk:SlackerMom|talk]]) 13:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Reubens is close friends with [[Courtney Cox]] and her husband [[David Arquette]], which led to Reubens being recommended for two guest appearances by Cox with the role of a veteran journalist on the FX series "[[Dirt (TV series)|Dirt]]". Reubens was also cast by Arquette in his 2007 film ''[[The Tripper]]''.<ref name="return again"/>


:Your changes are a great improvement. Most of the Saturnini listed there were never going to have their own articles, but if they end up getting one they can be added back easily. Good work.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Starting May 2, 2007, Paul Reubens reprised his role as Golly Gopher in the television series based on [[Re-Animated]]. He has a recurring role on ''[[Chowder (TV series)|Chowder]]'' as the voice of the character Reuben. Paul has made an appearance on [[The Andy Milonakis Show]] in season 3, as "Weird Beard the Weirdly Bearded Weirdsman." He also provided the voice for the character Paul, in the episode "Puddins" of "[[Tom Goes to the Mayor]]".<ref>{{cite web |url = http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000607/ |title = ? |publisher = |author = |date = |accessdate = 2007-07-06}}</ref>


::Thanks. Sorry about the confusion. I'm glad someone's keeping an eye on me! [[User:SlackerMom|SlackerMom]] ([[User talk:SlackerMom|talk]]) 17:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
In 2008 Reubens was slated to appear as homoeopathic antidepressant salesman [[List of characters in Pushing Daisies#Alfredo Aldarisio|Alfredo Aldarisio]] in the third episode of ''[[Pushing Daisies]]''. <ref>"[http://tv.ign.com/articles/814/814612p1.html Pee-wee Pushes Daisies]", IGN.com. August 22, 2007.</ref> The role was recast with [[Raúl Esparza]].<ref>[http://www.playbill.com/news/article/111939.html Broadway's Esparza Keeps Chenoweth Company on "Pushing Daisies" Oct. 17], Ernio Hernandez, [[Playbill]], October 17, 2007.</ref> Reubens instead appeared in the role of [[List of characters in Pushing Daisies#Oscar Vibenius|Oscar Vibenius]] in the series' 7th and 9th episodes.


== Thanks ==
Also during 2008 Reubens has been working on [[David O. Russell]]'s ''[[Nailed (film)|Nailed]]'' and [[Todd Solondz]]'s ''[[Todd_Solondz#Life_During_Wartime|Life During Wartime]]''.<ref name>{{cite news |first= Adam|last=Fogle |Publisher= The Palmetto Scoop|title=Pee-wee’s Big SC Adventure|page= |date= 2008-04-16|accessdate=2008-10-10|url= http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2008/04/16/pee-wees-big-sc-adventure/}}</ref><ref name>{{cite news |first= Ben|last=Child |Publisher= Guardian|title=Todd Solondz's Happiness 'sequel' features Pee-wee Herman|page= |date= 2008-08-28|accessdate=2008-10-10|url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2008/aug/28/toddsolondzslatesttobehap}}</ref>


Thank you, I appreciate that. At the same time, I have to say that I probably wouldn't have got much further than a couple of extra references without your encouragement, so I'm grateful for that too :) Anyhow, I'm proud of the article we've all produced at the end of this long process; it works well and seems balanced and suitably scholarly to me... I'll be interested to see what happens to the article afterwards now, and how much it continues to evolve and change from this point. On this latter point, I've played around to try and address Ottava's comments (from the Talk page) on overlapping images but can't figure out how to do it, though it does occur to me that whether they 'sandwich' text or not is entirely down to the screen resolution of each user; a lower resolution, as on my old stand-alone PC, would remove the overlap, whilst a higher one would increase it :-/ Incidentally, looking over the article I noticed that we have a 'Further Reading' section that I hadn't noticed before, which includes my monograph -- is this ok, given my role? (though not in this part of it) I tried hard to avoid any COI and POV when writing the article and don't want to leave us open to any question (hopefully I managed otherwise on these two points; I used it only where it seemed appropriate...); shall I remove? Warm regards, [[User:Hrothgar cyning|Hrothgar cyning]] ([[User talk:Hrothgar cyning|talk]]) 19:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
===Future Pee-wee films===
Ever since Reubens started giving interviews again after his 2001 arrest he has talked about the two scripts he has written for future [[Pee-wee Herman]] films.


:Thanks for your kind words, Hrothgar. I'm also interested to see how the page changes from here on out, and I know Wrad, myself and others will try to make sure the changes are positive. As for Ottava's comments, I'm well past the point of listening to him about his personal nitpicks. As far as I can tell the sandwiching is, as you say, the result of screen resolution. It looks fine on my screen, so I can't tell what he's going on about. The "Further reading" section I went ahead and removed entirely, as all four books that appeared there were already used in the "references" section ("further reading" sections here are usually used to include useful sources that were not cited in the article.) Your name and your book obviously still appear in the article, but no one I've heard has even suggested that there's any conflict of interest or of POV. The article is excellent, and I'm happy to have worked with you on it. Cheers, my friend.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 19:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Reubens described his first script as a [[black comedy]] and calls it "dark Pee-wee" or "adult Pee-wee",<ref name="av">{{cite news |first=Tasha |last=Robinson |url = http://www.avclub.com/content/node/50982 |title =Paul Reubens |publisher =A.V. Club|date =2006-07-26 |accessdate = 2008-10-12}}</ref> with the plot being Pee-wee becoming famous as a singer after making a hit single and moving to [[Hollywood]], where "he does everything wrong and becomes a big jerk".<ref name="mtv"/> The film has many "[[Valley of the Dolls]]" moments.<ref name="prison"/> Reubens thought this script would be the first one to start production, but in 2006 Reubens announced he was to start filming his second script in 2007.<ref name="av"/>


::Same here, and thanks for that, I just wanted to make sure we were 100% beyond reproach :) I'm going to be less around for the next few weeks, as I finish off the last two chapters of a book and do the final edits on two articles before sending them back to their journals, but feel free to email me via the address on my webpage if anything comes up etc etc. All the very best, [[User:Hrothgar cyning|Hrothgar cyning]] ([[User talk:Hrothgar cyning|talk]]) 21:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
The second film, a family-friendly epic adventure, is called by Reubens ''''Pee-wee's Playhouse: The Movie''''',<ref>{{cite news |first=Thomas K. |last=Arnold |url = http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2004-11-08-pee-wee_x.htm |title = Back to Pee-wee's Playhouse |publisher = USA Today|date =2004-11-08 |accessdate = 2008-10-12}}</ref><ref name="happy"/> and follows Pee-wee and his ''[[Pee-wee's Playhouse|Playhouse]]'' friends on a road-trip adventure, meaning that they would leave the house for the first time and go out into "puppet land". All of the original characters of the show, live-action and puppets, are included in Reubens script. The story happens in a fantasy land that would be reminiscent to ''[[H.R. Pufnstuf]]'' and ''[[The Wonderful Wizard of Oz]]''.<ref name="mtv">{{cite news |first=Josh |last=Horowitz |url = http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1576172/20071210/story.jhtml |title =Pee-wee's Big Return? Paul Reubens Discusses Plans For Two Pee-wee Films |publisher = MTV|date =2007-12-11 |accessdate = 2008-10-12}}</ref>


:::Best of luck with your book, I can't wait to read it.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 03:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Although he hasn't revealed much about the scripts, he has said that one of the two films opens in prison.<ref name="prison"/> He has also said that using [[Computer-generated imagery]] for "updating" the puppets looks could be an option, but it all depended on the budget the films would have.<ref name="av"/>


==[[Lumbee]]==
Reubens approached ''Adventure'' director [[Tim Burton]] with one of the scripts, but because of his other projects he declined.<ref name="mtv"/>
You seemed to have an interest in this. There is some drastic editing going on without any discussion on the Talk page. I reduced some of the POV language in the lead, but the lead is now all about the political process. He hasn't done too much to the narrative in terms of sourced materials, but decided it was all "biased".--[[User:Parkwells|Parkwells]] ([[User talk:Parkwells|talk]]) 12:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


== Lumbee ==
Reubens present age and shape could be an issue, since Pee-wee's slim figure and clean skin have been one of his trademarks. But after appearing for the first time since 1992 as Pee-wee at [[Spike (TV channel)|Spike TV]]'s 2007 Guys' Choice Awards, Reubens remains optimistic and has declared that RETOUCHING. Reubens has also talked to [[Johnny Depp]] about the possibility of having him potraying Pee-wee.<ref name="mtv"/>


Your additions to the Lumbee page are not only clearly uneducated but deliberately disparaging. Feel free to leave something constructive and unbiased. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jas392|Jas392]] ([[User talk:Jas392|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jas392|contribs]]) 20:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==References==
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==External links==
==Meetup==
[[Wikipedia:Meetup/Tampa]] -- You're invited! [[User:Hires an editor|Hires an editor]] ([[User talk:Hires an editor|talk]]) 13:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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* [http://www.peewee.com/ Official website]
* {{imdb name|0000607}}
* [http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt041206pee_wee_herman 2004 Interview], [[KCRW]]'s The Treatment
* [http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt050202paul_reubens_redux 2005 Interview], KCRW's The Treatment
* [http://www.avclub.com/content/node/50982 2006 Interview], [[The A.V. Club]]
* [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4190544 2004 Interview], [[WHYY-FM]]'s Fresh Air


== RE: your recent edit ==
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I saw you edited a post I made, and I wanted to cc you a message I sent to Itaqallah.
{{Persondata

|NAME=Reubens, Paul
Hi,
|ALTERNATIVE NAMES=Pee-wee Herman

|SHORT DESCRIPTION=American actor, writer and comedian
I think we have a slight disagreement over an edit on the 'Muhammad's Wives' page, and I wanted to see if I could politely address some of your concerns.
|DATE OF BIRTH= [[Aug 27]] [[1952]]

|PLACE OF BIRTH=Peekskill, New York
You commented that the article I quoted was unreliable, and while FPM does have an editorial slant (as do the majority of think tanks, journals and magazines that deal with religious and political matters) the research quoted by Spencer and UNICEF was entirely accurate. If you think there were any specific innacuracies, I would appreciate it if you could point them out. The hadith dealing with Aisha's age of 9 at the time of consummation of marriage is cited by a number of Islamic scholars when defending marriage to children of that age. Iranian religious scholars have used this as the basis for Iran's current law stating that marriages can be consummated at this age. This is, sadly, a fact.
|DATE OF DEATH=

|PLACE OF DEATH=
The concern over the relationship between Islamic law and child brides is not a 'fringe, minority perspective'. Many governments, including that of the UK, aswell as organisations such as UNICEF have expressed very deep concern over the issue.
}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Reubens, Paul}}
You also mentioned that the issue was dealt with 'adequately in the relevant forum', however the article you directed me to (which I am grateful for, but I had already read) did raise briefly the issue of Aisha's age but made no mention of the ongoing significance of this hadith in justifying child marriages. This consequence of Muhammad's marriage is of immense significance, and is entirely relevant to a page dealing with his marriages.
[[Category:1952 births]]

[[Category:American comedians]]
If you feel I unfairly left out any perspectives or facts from this article, please feel free to add them.
[[Category:American voice actors]]

[[Category:American game show hosts]]
This is intended as a friendly and non-personal message, and it'd be great if any differences could be solved through friendly, spirited debate.
[[Category:American Jews]]

[[Category:American television actors]]
Thanks,
[[Category:Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas]]
eja0012 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Eja0012|Eja0012]] ([[User talk:Eja0012|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eja0012|contribs]]) 00:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[[Category:Daytime Emmy Award winners]]

[[Category:Groundlings]]
== Naimon vs Aymon ==
[[Category:Jewish actors]]

[[Category:Jewish comedians]]
I noticed that you changed an edit I made concerning [[Naimon]] at [[Paladin]]. If you check out name indexes in''[[Orlando Furioso]]'' or ''[[Orlando Innamorato]]'', you will see that Namo and Rinaldo's father [[Duke Aymon]] are not the same person. In the modern French folio version of ''Les Quatre Fils Aymon'' (ISBN 2-07-037501-3) the difference between Naime and Aymon is clearly given on the first page. Thanks- [[User:NYArtsnWords|NYArtsnWords]] ([[User talk:NYArtsnWords|talk]]) 00:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Living people]]

[[Category:New York actors]]
== Míkmaq/Mi'kmaq ==
[[Category:Pee-wee Herman]]

[[Category:People from Los Angeles, California]]
The [[Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-01-25_Mi%27kmaq_language|controversy]] is open again. [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] moved the pages, but [[User:Codex_Sinaiticus|Codex Sinaiticus]] just reverted. -- [[User:Evertype|Evertype]]·[[User_talk:Evertype|✆]] 06:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:People from Sarasota, Florida]]

[[Category:People from Westchester County, New York]]
:I left a note for discussion. If that fails (which, considering how Codex has behaved in the past, seems imminent), I'm going to start a page move request, which I think will likely succeed, considering that only Codex has ever expressed dissatisfaction with the move. Please do weigh in.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 16:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Sex scandals]]
::Where's the note? -- [[User:Evertype|Evertype]]·[[User_talk:Evertype|✆]] 18:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:American SubGenii]]
:::At the bottom of the talk page.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 20:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
::::[[Talk:Mi'kmaq]], sorry.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 20:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Humanzee ==
The feasibility section has always been a tightrope. It's hard to explain sufficiently why people study the possibility of hybridization without wandering into OR. What I would love to find is a reliable secondary source that summarized why the genetic barriers are real but not proven to be insurmountable. That's really the point of that section[[User:Kww|Kww]] ([[User talk:Kww|talk]]) 16:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

==Paleo-Eskimo==
I redirect that to [[Dorset culture]]. In part because Paleoeskimo and Palaeoeskimo already redirect there. But also because there appears to be some overlap, especially with the middle Paleoeskimo period and Dorset culture. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 06:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

:There are various groups of indigenous arctic peoples that populated the area before the Dorset (and long before the [[Thule culture]], which was the original target). It's better to have a stub that can be expanded than risk confusing people by redirecting to just one of the various cultures.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 07:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

::No problem. I'm not sure why the one of them was a redirect to Thule. Somewhere I saw that there is a preference for one bersion of the spelling over another but I can't remember now which it was. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 15:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

== Kubla Khan ==

Hi. Just checking whether you meant to unprotect the page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kubla_Khan&diff=238004365&oldid=237744244 at the same time], or just mistakenly removed the {{tl|pp-semi-vandalism}} early. Probably unprotect, as it was only getting a few bad edits per week?

That's all :) -- [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 22:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, I didn't mean to remove it, thanks for the catch.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 22:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Chunkey ==

Thanks for the comments on my chunkey rewrite![[User:Heironymous Rowe|Heironymous Rowe]] ([[User talk:Heironymous Rowe|talk]]) 23:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Jordin Sparks ==
Hello. You seem to have repeatedly ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordin_Sparks&diff=240117798&oldid=239888027 1],[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jordin_Sparks&diff=238941726&oldid=238914388 2]) removed a notable and well cited section of the [[Jordin Sparks]] article. Although you may feel the controversy behind her statement at the 2008 VMA is "lame" or "gossip", the incident did occur and there was significant coverage of it by reliable sources. I agree that the section has become "mangled", but this is because careless editors have added opinions and uncited information. However, since Wikipedia encourages editors to [[WP:ATD|edit instead of delete]], it would be more cooperative of you to revert the section to a previous version. I understand that this may take more time, but that would be much more productive then simply deleting information you may think is "lame", "gossip" or "mangled". Thanks! - [[User:Ektar|Ektar]] ([[User talk:Ektar|talk]]) 19:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:The problem is that none of that "significant coverage" has made it into the article. It's not our job to unmangle mangled negative comments about living persons, it's our job to remove them when we see them. The current bit about Sparks being "criticized" for her comments does not say who criticized her, and the citation is not done correctly, and it greatly distends this incredibly minor occurrence in relation to other material. It needs to stay out.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 19:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::''"The problem is that none of that "significant coverage" has made it into the article."''
::What do you mean by this? Look, the "significant coverage" can easily be seen by doing a [http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&hl=en&q=jordin+sparks+brands&btnG=Search+News simple search on Google News].
::''It's not our job to unmangle mangled negative comments about living persons, it's our job to remove them when we see them.''
::It may not be your "job" to unmangle things, but, like I said, it certainly is more productive to do so.
::''The current bit about Sparks being "criticized" for her comments does not say who criticized her, and the citation is not done correctly, and it greatly distends this incredibly minor occurrence in relation to other material. It needs to stay out.''
::If you were to read the article you would see that fans have criticized her. The direct quote is "While many fans have been supportive of her stance, others have been angered by the implication that those who don't abstain are "sluts"." The citation ''is'' done correctly according to [[WP:CS|wikipedia guidlines]] (see #2 Footnote). Finally, although you seem to think this is a "minor occurrence" you seem to be unable to prove that it does not meet [[WP:GNG|wikipedia guidelines]] for notability. Before removing things please at least try and make an argument using something besides opinion to support your belief. -[[User:Ektar|Ektar]] ([[User talk:Ektar|talk]]) 20:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:::There has been no significant coverage of criticism about Sparks' comments, at least judging by what has been added to the article. I count one single passing comment in one improperly formatted cite to an Australian news website (it is improperly cited, just a link is not a citation). And I fail to see how it could be considered "more productive" of me to rewrite rather than remove improperly cited material about a living person, when that material is of no importance to the topic of the article. As for the [[WP:GNG]] guideline you quoted, that has to do with the ''topic'' of an article, not the content of the article. That line is of no importance to the a biography, judging by the fact that no other sources have backed it up. If you believe it is in fact important, I would encourage you to find a source that directly discusses the supposed backlash Sparks has received over her comment, and doesn't just make a passing, unattributed reference to it. As it is it is poorly sourced negative material about a living person, and needs to stay out.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 21:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::::''There has been no significant coverage of criticism about Sparks' comments, at least judging by what has been added to the article. / As for the [[WP:GNG]] guideline you quoted, that has to do with the ''topic'' of an article, not the content of the article.''
::::Significant coverage is a criteria ''for'' or against inclusion, not something which ''needs'' to be added to the article. And, yes, in general [[WP:GNG]] is a guideline for topics but it is also a guideline for what is worth mentioning within an article or not. If you think there is another guideline for that, PLEASE present it.
::::''I count one single passing comment in one improperly formatted cite to an Australian news website (it is improperly cited, just a link is not a citation)''
::::I gave you a source for various articles in which this is mentioned, did you read any of them? Or do you seriously expect EACH article to be cited for one sentence? And although the citation is not complete, it is not "improper" simply because it doesn't have EVERY attribute a footnote can have.
::::''And I fail to see how it could be considered "more productive" of me to rewrite rather than remove improperly cited material about a living person, when that material is of no importance to the topic of the article.''
::::Obviously your bias against including this is making it hard for you to see this. Obviously the material is of great enough importance that the issue has been big within Entertainment news, as proven by the link you decided to not read.
::::''"That line is of no importance to the a biography, judging by the fact that no other sources have backed it up. / If you believe it is in fact important, I would encourage you to find a source that directly discusses the supposed backlash Sparks has received over her comment, and doesn't just make a passing, unattributed reference to it.''
::::One single passing comment? Once again, did you even check the link I gave you? Exactly how many mentions do you need? [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420091,00.html], [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420827,00.html], [http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20224750,00.html], [http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/09/jordin-sparks-v.html], this list just goes on and on.
::::''As it is it is poorly sourced negative material about a living person, and needs to stay out.''
::::First, saying that it is poorly source does not negate that the source itself IS reliable (no worries though, I'll fix that). Second, NOTHING, especially nothing at [[WP:BLP]], says that you should not include criticism about living people especially when done properly. Third, mentioning that there is a "backlash" (or "criticism" or "anger") against someone's statement is not negative especially when it ACTUALLY happened and the person even responded by saying that she wished had phrased it differently. - [[User:Ektar|Ektar]] ([[User talk:Ektar|talk]]) 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
-[[User:Ektar|Ektar]] ([[User talk:Ektar|talk]]) 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I did not look at the link you gave me, user talk is hardly the venue for discussing changes to articles. Why didn't you just correct the article in the first place? It was poorly sourced, controverted material, so I stand by my opinion that it should have been removed as it was. The onus is of users who want to include or re-introduce material to do the work of backing it up. It is now somewhat better, though I still think it [[WP:WEIGHT|greatly overemphasizes]] a very minor point that ought not be in a biography at all. At any rate the page is off my watchlist now, so good day.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 23:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== ''Slither'' ==

Hi. I've had a quick look at the three cites used for the ''Night of the Creeps'' thing. The first doesn't exist; the second notes "similarities" rather than direct influence; the third explicitly agrees with the IP ([http://www.metroactive.com/bohemian/04.05.06/slither-0614.html here]): "James Gunn, who defended his film by saying he never saw ''Night of the Creeps'' until after his movie was made. He said his main inspiration was David Cronenberg's first film, 1975's ''Shivers''" and "...definitely not a remake of ''Night of the Creeps'', but it does have some parallels... If you really want to see where ''Slither'' came from, though, see ''Shivers'', ''Basket Case'' (1982), ''Return of the Alien's Deadly Spawn ''(1983), ''Xtro'' (1983) and ''Society'' (1989)." Posted here to avoid unnecessary drama. All the best, [[User:Steve|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''Steve'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Steve|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steve|C]]</sup> 20:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:Much better. One thing though, why did you move around the other sections? Is that a style guideline thing?--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 21:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

::Oh, the IP wasn't me :) I just have the article watchlisted from the big "[[box office bomb]]" <s>edit war</s> debate of 2007. All the best, [[User:Steve|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''Steve'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Steve|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Steve|C]]</sup> 22:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gisela ==
Hello Cuchullain, how did you establish that [[Gisela (daughter of Pepin the Short)]] is the best known Gisela ? Gisela is a common [[given name]] in Germany and there are number of other [[Special:PrefixIndex/Gisela|noteworthy Giselas]]. [[User:Inwind|Inwind]] ([[User talk:Inwind|talk]]) 05:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

:Well, she was the earliest, the most important entry at [[Gisela (disambiguation)]] (as far as I could tell), and the first to have an article here to my knowledge. However, I mostly reverted you because you left [[Gisela]] redirecting to [[Gisela (daughter of Pepin the Short)]], in which case there's no need for a longer title. Also, you did not include any link to [[Gisela (disambiguation)]] or change that dab page to reflect your move, so readers were left with a bit of a problem. It's not a big deal; the status quo just seemed like the easiest way to fix it.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 20:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

==read deleted material==
Hello, can I view the material that was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrea_Minichiello_Williams&action=edit&redlink=1 please. [[User:Arthur Warrington Thomas|AWT]] ([[User talk:Arthur Warrington Thomas|talk]]) 20:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

:You'll have to give me (or [[User:Travellingcari|Travellingcari]], who originally deleted the page) a good reason for why you want to see it. As it was originally deleted as an attack page and a [[WP:BLP|BLP]] violation, and you're the one who wrote it, I am skeptical about why you want to view it.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 22:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

::Honestly, I want to see what information I put into it and completely re-write it (off wikipedia) and then get it authorised by someone like yourself for review before putting it up. I can assure you it will not be an attack article but I would really liek to see the info I used. But, if I did create another horrendous page then ban me. This is the only way I can asure you I will not do that I think. Hop ethis makes sense. [[User:Arthur Warrington Thomas|AWT]] ([[User talk:Arthur Warrington Thomas|talk]]) 08:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Sorry, no dice. A new article will have to be just that - a new article, and will have to be reliably sourced, give an explanation for why it's notable, and not defamatory, if you hope it to be kept.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 15:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arthur's return ==

:: Hey there, I've made a contribution to try and re-use some of the material in a more legitimate way; how does it look? ok? All the best, [[User:Hrothgar cyning|Hrothgar cyning]] ([[User talk:Hrothgar cyning|talk]]) 21:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks, Thomas. It looks much better now, hopefully this will finally convince Enaidmawr. I'll do some polishing work soon to get the article up to concert pitch; I want to get to expanding it as discussed at the talk page soon.

:::At any rate I hope all is well with you and your research.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 22:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Yeah, all going fine atm - just finished proofing an article for Dumville's new journal. Enaidmawr has made a couple of edits to the piece again, which I wouldn't make, but I'll leave it with you now, unless you want me to weigh in again :) He has some interesting material and I think it would be very appropriate used elsewhere on the page and in wiki (the 'son of prophecy' page, perhaps), but we have to be careful not to read 12th century notions into 9th century texts etc etc. Cheers and all the best, [[User:Hrothgar cyning|Hrothgar cyning]] ([[User talk:Hrothgar cyning|talk]]) 08:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC) p.s. I would def say that 'clear' needs removing - it is not that there is no 'clear' mention of return in the ''Englynion'' - there is no mention of it at all: it is only there if you add it from your own consideration of William of Newburgh etc...

== removed facts ==

Hi!

I added a short notice about the Grail in one of Neil Gaiman's short stories under the section ''Modern retellings''. You removed that and I would like to know why. If I have violated some policy about articles I apologise, but please inform me if that is the case.

Kind regards,

[[User:Iacobaeus|Iacobaeus]] ([[User talk:Iacobaeus|talk]]) 18:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

:I removed it because it was just one mention, I didn't think it was important enough for the article. We can't list every modern retelling (or modern story that uses some aspect of the Grail legend.) It's nothing personal.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 18:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== re:[[Criticism of Muhammad]] article edits ==

I'd like to invite both you and Peacekeeper-89 to discuss your ongoing "edit war" on the article's talk page to see if perhaps a solution can be found to the current situation, rather than the (in my opinion) pointless back and forth editing that's happening at the moment. cheers [[User:Deconstructhis|Deconstructhis]] ([[User talk:Deconstructhis|talk]]) 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

:This is more a case of reverting [[WP:SPAM|linkspam]] than edit warring. That user has made nearly no constructive edits, especially not to that article; most of his or her edits consist of adding those apologetics sites to that one article. I've responded to you on the talk page, but the links need to stay out until Peacekeeper has justified their inclusion.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 01:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Buddhism==
You should make constructive edits rather than vandalizing pages by deleting whole sections. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Manjushri222|Manjushri222]] ([[User talk:Manjushri222|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Manjushri222|contribs]]) 14:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:It's on you as the one introducing or re-introducing the controverted material to source it and make sure it is well written. It's not the job of everyone else to clean up after you, and I certainly don't appreciate my good edits being called "[[WP:VAND|vandalism]]".--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 15:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

sorry, but it is vandalism to try to suppress the truth, why don't you live up to your Irish hero's name?
([[User:Manjushri222|Manjushri222]] ([[User talk:Manjushri222|talk]]) 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC))

you are so biased, stop vandalizing the page! ([[User:Manjushri222|Manjushri222]] ([[User talk:Manjushri222|talk]]) 15:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)).

== Discussion on Aisha's age ==

Hi Cuchullain. Can you please continue the discussion talk page for "Aisha" so we can resolve the issue? I'd like to have a discussion so we can both agree to something that meets Wikipedia's standards, and move forward. I won't be able to check this page, so it'd be great if you can continue on the talk page. [[User:Oiqbal|Omer]] ([[User talk:Oiqbal|talk]]) 04:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:As soon as I can I will respond to all your points at the article talk page.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 04:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==RE: America==
I find your actions and edits, obviously in support of a specific version at the 'America' disambiguation page, objectionable.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America&diff=243871765&oldid=243871382][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America&diff=243872250&oldid=243872133] This [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America&diff=243871382&oldid=243849615] is uncalled for, since it's dealt with on the talk page. As well, please explicitly point out (with links) the consensus which supports the current version -- I suspect you can't or won't. [[Special:Contributions/216.234.60.106|216.234.60.106]] ([[User talk:216.234.60.106|talk]]) 15:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:I have no opinion about which version should be preferred. I reverted to the most establish version I could find; the version that was protected on September 28. Notice that as soon as that previous protection expired the page was once again subjected to edit warring, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America&diff=next&oldid=243724638 including by you]. The only option was to protect the page again. I notice you have engaged in revert warring at that page several times under this IP alone. This time you will have to resolve the issue through discussion.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 15:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::Of course you have an opinion and preference, since you reverted and restored the prior version while invoking consensus which either doesn't exist or which you/others haven't demonstrated. You indicate you restored the 'most establish (sic) version', but just beforehand commented for said editor to "at least get the wording right", without giving any thought that the word change was actually intended. You also neglect that the prior versions prevailed for quite some time beforehand, until you, Kman... and Russ have apparently opted for another version and arguably have edit warred just the same. So, you too will have to explain yourself and, as yet (and particularly as an administrator), haven't. Next time, instead of giving a false impression of impartiality, perhaps you should let someone else intervene. I will edit accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/216.234.60.106|216.234.60.106]] ([[User talk:216.234.60.106|talk]]) 16:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Calm down. It wasn't a matter of enforcing whatever opinion you believe I have, it was a matter of finding the most consensual version I could and protecting the page from the ongoing revert wars. You can believe I protected [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wrong_Version the wrong version] all you wish, but the protection was to stop the pointless revert warring you and others have been engaged in. You can voice your opinion on the talk page; I notice you haven't done that.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 17:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::[[No comment|Your comment has been read]]. [[Special:Contributions/216.234.60.106|216.234.60.106]] ([[User talk:216.234.60.106|talk]]) 18:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hispanic and Latinoamerican, again ==

Would you please stop removing the Globalize tag? Hispanics live across the entire world, including the Philippines, Mexico, and Spain.
Latinoamericans live in Latinoamerican societies, like Mexico and Colombia. Stop pushing neologisms.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861727807/hispanic.html

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/latinamerican?view=uk

http://www.askoxford.com/languages/es/toi_las/?view=uk

http://www.international.ucla.edu/lac/publications/las.asp

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQqtgpqvHL0C&pg=PR20&lpg=PR20&dq=%22mexicans+are+americans%22&source=web&ots=d0BhkYu2Ag&sig=auR8b5RYUdDt-JNuD0yI1FmhgwY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result

[[User:Deepstratagem|Deepstratagem]] ([[User talk:Deepstratagem|talk]]) 21:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:I will not stop removing tags you've placed in bad faith. You are well aware that the US sense of American is not a neologism but a perfectly legitimate use of the word, and the only one common in English. Those articles make it clear they are discussing American topics. If you can think of a better title, suggest that, but your tags are entirely inappropriate.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 22:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Discussion on non-English sources ==

Hello! I wanted to point your attention towards this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#How_exactly_are_foreign_language_sources_verifiable.3F

And I started a new thread here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#When_is_an_.27English_verifiable.27_source_available.3F

I'd appreciate if you can also come on this (second thread), where I want to get other wikipedians' opinions on when is a non-English source admissible and when is it not.

Thanks. [[User:Oiqbal|Omer]] ([[User talk:Oiqbal|talk]]) 08:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

::I will definitely contribute, and hopefully we'll come to a resolution. Thank you.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 23:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==[[Red Horn (legend)]]==
Would you mind taking a look at [[Red Horn (legend)]]? There is an editor making POV editions, original research, conflict of interest, etc. He wont respond on the talk page, he just keeps reverting everything I do to maintain the neutrality of the article. I'd justlike a second opinion, and maybe some advice/help dealing with it. [[User:Heironymous Rowe|Heironymous Rowe]] ([[User talk:Heironymous Rowe|talk]]) 04:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


:Sure thing, I'll look into. If he won't discuss his changes, then we may have a problem.--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 23:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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Holy Grail

Some commentators claim that Wolfram's Parzival dates from decades after Chretien's Perceval, while yet other commentators think that the works are contemporary. Like I said previously, the subject matter is an area where the beginners stray in at their peril. Nothing is "simple" about this subject matter (because of the uncertainty over dates and the different takes offered by the various authors) and it is no good trying to convey otherwise. Wfgh66 (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No commentator claims Parzival is "contemporary" to Chretien's work, it must have come after it, as it is based on it, and I have never heard a date earlier than the 13th century. At any rate, the other major versions from any time period (Robert de Boron, the Lancelot-Grail, the Post-Vulgate, Malory) have the grail as a cup or dish. The point of the intro is to summarize what the article says, currently it gives a concise and clear summary of what will come later. All the other versions are discussed in detail where it's appropriate in the article.--Cúchullain t/c 16:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wikitruth

An article that you have been involved in editing, Wikitruth, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikitruth (6th nomination). Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Terraxos (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand

How or what did you mean when you said this? I'm not bothered by your edits there, just curious about that edit summary. Please reply on your talk page, Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It was just a mistake, i hit the return key too quickly and it filled in the text from a previous edit summary. I meant to say "not only called American". The undo feature does not remove botched edit summaries, however.--Cúchullain t/c 06:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
That explains it. Guess it was a wierd coincidence that I happened to edit Tupac Amaru Shakur's article when I saw that edit summary at American (popped up on my watchlist). Actually, shouldn't there be a mention of the artist on Tupac Amaru (disambiguation)? Or should the Tupac dab be listed there instead? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 07:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Tupac Shakur should not be listed on that page, as Tupac Amaru is only part of his name, according to the MOS. I don't think Tupac needs to go their either, as no one will type in or click on Tupac Amaru if they're only looking for Tupac, but that's just me. You might could add it to the See also section if you want.--Cúchullain t/c 16:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Done ;) I have also watchlisted that page in case of vandalism issues and such. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 04:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Neither do I

Lima's improvements will be welcome but not when she deletes wholesale and refuses to discuss. --Kabad (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I see your point; I wasn't comfortable reverting all her changes. It's just that her edit is good and bad at the same time. Please ask her to improve article without deleting sourced information. --Kabad (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Sign an RFC

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Esimal. I believe this user has continued to engage in the disputed behavior, and I need another person to sign. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I chipped in. If you need more let me know. He certainly seems to be a long-term disruptive user.--Cúchullain t/c 03:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

If it is not too much trouble, I would like you to express your view. Not many people visit the page. Lima (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Percival edits

I've reverted your exclusion of the Monaco novels and the re-inclusion of the Rohmer film, and opened a discussion in the article discussion. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Fate/Stay Night

While I can applaud your enthusiasm about your chosen areas of expertise, I believe you're mistaken in trying to apply the logic that because a Christian artifact and King Arthur are in a game, that means the game revolves around Arthurian legends. The part does not make the whole, and the game itself is most certainly NOT about that. You're mistaking a small part for the whole, and I'd be just as set against adding Christian Mythology as a category, or any others that represent a part of the games background rather than the whole. If you really want to add the Category, put it on the discussion page and let's get some other input. I'd hate for this to turn into a revert war, after all. Better to discuss it than risk that. Nezu Chiza (talk) 01:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Arthur = Airthir ?

Hi Cuchullain. The [C.E.L.T.] Annals of Ulster from Circa C5th to C13th quotes on: Cluain Airthir. Inc [U467.3] “Death of Uter Pendragon, king of England, to whom succeeded his son, King Arthur, who instituted the Round Table”: [U610.1] Death of Aed son of Colgu, king of Ind Airthir: [U625.2] Rónán son of Tuathal, king of Ind Airthir died: [U748.7]: The slaying of Congal son of Éicnech, king of Int Airthir, in Ráith Escla &c. Are these genealogical references to Arthurs; Irish Airthir descendants/Clans?Stephen2nd (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. The first one appears to just be an Irish copy of the British genealogies. The others seem to refer to the placename Airthir, which is in Airgíalla.--Cúchullain t/c 22:50, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I believe the existence of any historical person, as fact or fiction, research should not be unduly influenced in geographical location &/or such identities, ie British, Welsh, Irish, Scottish or English. {NB: W.I.S.E; Placenames and persons are often assosiated, by genealogical ancestries &/or descendancies.)
What I'm asking is - The Annals of Ulster verified King of England Uther Pendragon died 467ad, and his son King Arthur succeeded him and instituted the Round Table. Ergo, King Arthur actually succeeded as King of England in 467ad, and instituted his Round Table Knights in 467ad. In the many debates of whether King Arthur and the Round Table were fact or fiction. - Do these ‘facts’ quoted in a ‘verified’ and ‘reliable source,’ merit its inclusion in Wikepedia? Also, with respect to your academic knowledge of such historical research and studies, truthfully; King Arthur, fact or fiction? Round Table, ditto? Regards.Stephen2nd (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
You can't take the Annals of Ulster as being pure fact, or any of the annals or even the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Bias at the time especially by the Monks who compiled the annals, infusing them with Christian elements, make them bad sources for basing "facts" on. And yeah if you read the passage you get the answer on the Ind Aithir bit - it's clearly saying those are kings from a kingdom called Ind Aithir. Mabuska (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The problem is that the Annals of Ulster were not written until the 15th century, well after the period they're describing. In this case it seems clear the author is relying on earlier annals for his infomation about Arthur. It would be best to include a secondary source by a reliable modern scholar discussing whether or not this work (or any work) can be trusted.
As to whether Arthur was fact or fiction, that's long been a matter of debate. A fellow Wikipedia editor, Hrothgar cyning, has written a book in his real world capacity as a scholar that convincingly argues that Arthur never existed, but was rather a kind of folklore hero who was written into Britain's shadowy early history over time. Hrothgar would be a good person to talk to, but he's been busy. Other scholars have always argued that there was a historical person behind the legends, the most notable one I can think of is Geoffrey Ashe. Personally I'm agnostic about it - I think there may have been a real Arthur, but at this point we have almost nothing we can say about him with any certainty.
As to the Round Table, that's certainly fictional - it is not mentioned before Wace's Roman de Brut in the 12th century. However, many of the early stories describe Arthur's court as including great warriors from all over the place, so that's certainly where the idea of the Round Table started.--Cúchullain t/c 18:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

For such a major move, this needs discussion and be decided by consensus. There was absolutely no discussion on any talk page for this move. A couple of comments in an AfD for Noah Kalina that suggested a move is not in any way in process nor consensus. A proposed merge tag would be more proper. --Oakshade (talk) 20:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

That may be, but moving by copy and paste, as you did, is not proper - it destroys the page history. In order to move Everyday (video) back to Noah Kalina, an admin will have to do it.--Cúchullain t/c 20:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm seeing your point. But this does need to be reverted back as a non-admin simply moved the page with no discussion nor any kind of consensus. I opened a move discussion. --Oakshade (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't matter who moved it in the first place, or why - moving it back requires admin powers (because deletion and undeletion is involved). That's the only way to preserve the page history. If you want it moved back to Noah Kalina you should go to requested moves.--Cúchullain t/c 20:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Boundaries and statues

Hey, Cuch, I'm taking slight issue with your most recent edit to Jacksonville. Regarding the removal of the mention of the statue, I'm wondering what your reason was. Do you just think it's too trivial for the intro, or what? I'll leave it alone until you have a chance to respond.

The other edit—your removal of the word "almost" from the opening paragraph—I'm going to go ahead and revert. While the Jax City Council does have general authority over the entire county (acting essentially as the county board), I'm fairly certain that Baldwin and the Beaches are still cities on their own and are not located within the city limits of Jax propers. Regards, Unschool (talk) 00:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

You may be right about the city limits. The City of Jacksonville does have authority over the entire county, but the beaches and Baldwin do have their own governments and their own signs telling you when you're entering or leaving them. It's a pretty minor distinction, as Jacksonville still has authority over them even within their limits, since as you say it acts as the county. I'd like to see something definite about this.
And yes I thought the statue bit was way too trivial for the lead.--Cúchullain t/c 16:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks for helping to make King Arthur one of the best articles on Wikipedia! It has slowly evolved into an excellent introduction regarding the legends of Arthur and your efforts were integral to that endeavor! Awadewit (talk) 20:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, I just realized we've been reverting each other in regard to whether this page is a dab page or not. Sorry about that, I wasn't paying attention to the fact that I'd done it twice! I can turn this into a proper dab page, but if I do, there is quite a bit of content that will be lost regarding lesser saints that do not have articles. As a dab page, it will include very little information about these saints beyond the links to their articles, and I fear that for some of these entries, this is the only page where this content appears. I am not proficient enough on the topic to feel comfortable creating articles (or stubs) for all of them myself. What I can do is move the content to the talk page in case anyone wants to use it in the future. Please let me know if you don't like the way it turns out. I'm happy to have help in making it right! SlackerMom (talk) 13:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Your changes are a great improvement. Most of the Saturnini listed there were never going to have their own articles, but if they end up getting one they can be added back easily. Good work.--Cúchullain t/c 16:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Sorry about the confusion. I'm glad someone's keeping an eye on me! SlackerMom (talk) 17:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you, I appreciate that. At the same time, I have to say that I probably wouldn't have got much further than a couple of extra references without your encouragement, so I'm grateful for that too :) Anyhow, I'm proud of the article we've all produced at the end of this long process; it works well and seems balanced and suitably scholarly to me... I'll be interested to see what happens to the article afterwards now, and how much it continues to evolve and change from this point. On this latter point, I've played around to try and address Ottava's comments (from the Talk page) on overlapping images but can't figure out how to do it, though it does occur to me that whether they 'sandwich' text or not is entirely down to the screen resolution of each user; a lower resolution, as on my old stand-alone PC, would remove the overlap, whilst a higher one would increase it :-/ Incidentally, looking over the article I noticed that we have a 'Further Reading' section that I hadn't noticed before, which includes my monograph -- is this ok, given my role? (though not in this part of it) I tried hard to avoid any COI and POV when writing the article and don't want to leave us open to any question (hopefully I managed otherwise on these two points; I used it only where it seemed appropriate...); shall I remove? Warm regards, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 19:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words, Hrothgar. I'm also interested to see how the page changes from here on out, and I know Wrad, myself and others will try to make sure the changes are positive. As for Ottava's comments, I'm well past the point of listening to him about his personal nitpicks. As far as I can tell the sandwiching is, as you say, the result of screen resolution. It looks fine on my screen, so I can't tell what he's going on about. The "Further reading" section I went ahead and removed entirely, as all four books that appeared there were already used in the "references" section ("further reading" sections here are usually used to include useful sources that were not cited in the article.) Your name and your book obviously still appear in the article, but no one I've heard has even suggested that there's any conflict of interest or of POV. The article is excellent, and I'm happy to have worked with you on it. Cheers, my friend.--Cúchullain t/c 19:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Same here, and thanks for that, I just wanted to make sure we were 100% beyond reproach :) I'm going to be less around for the next few weeks, as I finish off the last two chapters of a book and do the final edits on two articles before sending them back to their journals, but feel free to email me via the address on my webpage if anything comes up etc etc. All the very best, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 21:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Best of luck with your book, I can't wait to read it.--Cúchullain t/c 03:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You seemed to have an interest in this. There is some drastic editing going on without any discussion on the Talk page. I reduced some of the POV language in the lead, but the lead is now all about the political process. He hasn't done too much to the narrative in terms of sourced materials, but decided it was all "biased".--Parkwells (talk) 12:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Lumbee

Your additions to the Lumbee page are not only clearly uneducated but deliberately disparaging. Feel free to leave something constructive and unbiased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jas392 (talkcontribs) 20:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Meetup

Wikipedia:Meetup/Tampa -- You're invited! Hires an editor (talk) 13:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: your recent edit

I saw you edited a post I made, and I wanted to cc you a message I sent to Itaqallah.

Hi,

I think we have a slight disagreement over an edit on the 'Muhammad's Wives' page, and I wanted to see if I could politely address some of your concerns.

You commented that the article I quoted was unreliable, and while FPM does have an editorial slant (as do the majority of think tanks, journals and magazines that deal with religious and political matters) the research quoted by Spencer and UNICEF was entirely accurate. If you think there were any specific innacuracies, I would appreciate it if you could point them out. The hadith dealing with Aisha's age of 9 at the time of consummation of marriage is cited by a number of Islamic scholars when defending marriage to children of that age. Iranian religious scholars have used this as the basis for Iran's current law stating that marriages can be consummated at this age. This is, sadly, a fact.

The concern over the relationship between Islamic law and child brides is not a 'fringe, minority perspective'. Many governments, including that of the UK, aswell as organisations such as UNICEF have expressed very deep concern over the issue.

You also mentioned that the issue was dealt with 'adequately in the relevant forum', however the article you directed me to (which I am grateful for, but I had already read) did raise briefly the issue of Aisha's age but made no mention of the ongoing significance of this hadith in justifying child marriages. This consequence of Muhammad's marriage is of immense significance, and is entirely relevant to a page dealing with his marriages.

If you feel I unfairly left out any perspectives or facts from this article, please feel free to add them.

This is intended as a friendly and non-personal message, and it'd be great if any differences could be solved through friendly, spirited debate.

Thanks, eja0012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eja0012 (talkcontribs) 00:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Naimon vs Aymon

I noticed that you changed an edit I made concerning Naimon at Paladin. If you check out name indexes inOrlando Furioso or Orlando Innamorato, you will see that Namo and Rinaldo's father Duke Aymon are not the same person. In the modern French folio version of Les Quatre Fils Aymon (ISBN 2-07-037501-3) the difference between Naime and Aymon is clearly given on the first page. Thanks- NYArtsnWords (talk) 00:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Míkmaq/Mi'kmaq

The controversy is open again. Kwamikagami moved the pages, but Codex Sinaiticus just reverted. -- Evertype· 06:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I left a note for discussion. If that fails (which, considering how Codex has behaved in the past, seems imminent), I'm going to start a page move request, which I think will likely succeed, considering that only Codex has ever expressed dissatisfaction with the move. Please do weigh in.--Cúchullain t/c 16:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Where's the note? -- Evertype· 18:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
At the bottom of the talk page.--Cúchullain t/c 20:37, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Mi'kmaq, sorry.--Cúchullain t/c 20:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Humanzee

The feasibility section has always been a tightrope. It's hard to explain sufficiently why people study the possibility of hybridization without wandering into OR. What I would love to find is a reliable secondary source that summarized why the genetic barriers are real but not proven to be insurmountable. That's really the point of that sectionKww (talk) 16:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Paleo-Eskimo

I redirect that to Dorset culture. In part because Paleoeskimo and Palaeoeskimo already redirect there. But also because there appears to be some overlap, especially with the middle Paleoeskimo period and Dorset culture. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 06:40, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

There are various groups of indigenous arctic peoples that populated the area before the Dorset (and long before the Thule culture, which was the original target). It's better to have a stub that can be expanded than risk confusing people by redirecting to just one of the various cultures.--Cúchullain t/c 07:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I'm not sure why the one of them was a redirect to Thule. Somewhere I saw that there is a preference for one bersion of the spelling over another but I can't remember now which it was. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 15:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Kubla Khan

Hi. Just checking whether you meant to unprotect the page at the same time, or just mistakenly removed the {{pp-semi-vandalism}} early. Probably unprotect, as it was only getting a few bad edits per week?

That's all :) -- Quiddity (talk) 22:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't mean to remove it, thanks for the catch.--Cúchullain t/c 22:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Chunkey

Thanks for the comments on my chunkey rewrite!Heironymous Rowe (talk) 23:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Jordin Sparks

Hello. You seem to have repeatedly (1,2) removed a notable and well cited section of the Jordin Sparks article. Although you may feel the controversy behind her statement at the 2008 VMA is "lame" or "gossip", the incident did occur and there was significant coverage of it by reliable sources. I agree that the section has become "mangled", but this is because careless editors have added opinions and uncited information. However, since Wikipedia encourages editors to edit instead of delete, it would be more cooperative of you to revert the section to a previous version. I understand that this may take more time, but that would be much more productive then simply deleting information you may think is "lame", "gossip" or "mangled". Thanks! - Ektar (talk) 19:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that none of that "significant coverage" has made it into the article. It's not our job to unmangle mangled negative comments about living persons, it's our job to remove them when we see them. The current bit about Sparks being "criticized" for her comments does not say who criticized her, and the citation is not done correctly, and it greatly distends this incredibly minor occurrence in relation to other material. It needs to stay out.--Cúchullain t/c 19:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
"The problem is that none of that "significant coverage" has made it into the article."
What do you mean by this? Look, the "significant coverage" can easily be seen by doing a simple search on Google News.
It's not our job to unmangle mangled negative comments about living persons, it's our job to remove them when we see them.
It may not be your "job" to unmangle things, but, like I said, it certainly is more productive to do so.
The current bit about Sparks being "criticized" for her comments does not say who criticized her, and the citation is not done correctly, and it greatly distends this incredibly minor occurrence in relation to other material. It needs to stay out.
If you were to read the article you would see that fans have criticized her. The direct quote is "While many fans have been supportive of her stance, others have been angered by the implication that those who don't abstain are "sluts"." The citation is done correctly according to wikipedia guidlines (see #2 Footnote). Finally, although you seem to think this is a "minor occurrence" you seem to be unable to prove that it does not meet wikipedia guidelines for notability. Before removing things please at least try and make an argument using something besides opinion to support your belief. -Ektar (talk) 20:51, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
There has been no significant coverage of criticism about Sparks' comments, at least judging by what has been added to the article. I count one single passing comment in one improperly formatted cite to an Australian news website (it is improperly cited, just a link is not a citation). And I fail to see how it could be considered "more productive" of me to rewrite rather than remove improperly cited material about a living person, when that material is of no importance to the topic of the article. As for the WP:GNG guideline you quoted, that has to do with the topic of an article, not the content of the article. That line is of no importance to the a biography, judging by the fact that no other sources have backed it up. If you believe it is in fact important, I would encourage you to find a source that directly discusses the supposed backlash Sparks has received over her comment, and doesn't just make a passing, unattributed reference to it. As it is it is poorly sourced negative material about a living person, and needs to stay out.--Cúchullain t/c 21:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
There has been no significant coverage of criticism about Sparks' comments, at least judging by what has been added to the article. / As for the WP:GNG guideline you quoted, that has to do with the topic of an article, not the content of the article.
Significant coverage is a criteria for or against inclusion, not something which needs to be added to the article. And, yes, in general WP:GNG is a guideline for topics but it is also a guideline for what is worth mentioning within an article or not. If you think there is another guideline for that, PLEASE present it.
I count one single passing comment in one improperly formatted cite to an Australian news website (it is improperly cited, just a link is not a citation)
I gave you a source for various articles in which this is mentioned, did you read any of them? Or do you seriously expect EACH article to be cited for one sentence? And although the citation is not complete, it is not "improper" simply because it doesn't have EVERY attribute a footnote can have.
And I fail to see how it could be considered "more productive" of me to rewrite rather than remove improperly cited material about a living person, when that material is of no importance to the topic of the article.
Obviously your bias against including this is making it hard for you to see this. Obviously the material is of great enough importance that the issue has been big within Entertainment news, as proven by the link you decided to not read.
"That line is of no importance to the a biography, judging by the fact that no other sources have backed it up. / If you believe it is in fact important, I would encourage you to find a source that directly discusses the supposed backlash Sparks has received over her comment, and doesn't just make a passing, unattributed reference to it.
One single passing comment? Once again, did you even check the link I gave you? Exactly how many mentions do you need? [1], [2], [3], [4], this list just goes on and on.
As it is it is poorly sourced negative material about a living person, and needs to stay out.
First, saying that it is poorly source does not negate that the source itself IS reliable (no worries though, I'll fix that). Second, NOTHING, especially nothing at WP:BLP, says that you should not include criticism about living people especially when done properly. Third, mentioning that there is a "backlash" (or "criticism" or "anger") against someone's statement is not negative especially when it ACTUALLY happened and the person even responded by saying that she wished had phrased it differently. - Ektar (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

-Ektar (talk) 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I did not look at the link you gave me, user talk is hardly the venue for discussing changes to articles. Why didn't you just correct the article in the first place? It was poorly sourced, controverted material, so I stand by my opinion that it should have been removed as it was. The onus is of users who want to include or re-introduce material to do the work of backing it up. It is now somewhat better, though I still think it greatly overemphasizes a very minor point that ought not be in a biography at all. At any rate the page is off my watchlist now, so good day.--Cúchullain t/c 23:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Slither

Hi. I've had a quick look at the three cites used for the Night of the Creeps thing. The first doesn't exist; the second notes "similarities" rather than direct influence; the third explicitly agrees with the IP (here): "James Gunn, who defended his film by saying he never saw Night of the Creeps until after his movie was made. He said his main inspiration was David Cronenberg's first film, 1975's Shivers" and "...definitely not a remake of Night of the Creeps, but it does have some parallels... If you really want to see where Slither came from, though, see Shivers, Basket Case (1982), Return of the Alien's Deadly Spawn (1983), Xtro (1983) and Society (1989)." Posted here to avoid unnecessary drama. All the best, Steve TC 20:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Much better. One thing though, why did you move around the other sections? Is that a style guideline thing?--Cúchullain t/c 21:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Oh, the IP wasn't me :) I just have the article watchlisted from the big "box office bomb" edit war debate of 2007. All the best, Steve TC 22:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Gisela

Hello Cuchullain, how did you establish that Gisela (daughter of Pepin the Short) is the best known Gisela ? Gisela is a common given name in Germany and there are number of other noteworthy Giselas. Inwind (talk) 05:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, she was the earliest, the most important entry at Gisela (disambiguation) (as far as I could tell), and the first to have an article here to my knowledge. However, I mostly reverted you because you left Gisela redirecting to Gisela (daughter of Pepin the Short), in which case there's no need for a longer title. Also, you did not include any link to Gisela (disambiguation) or change that dab page to reflect your move, so readers were left with a bit of a problem. It's not a big deal; the status quo just seemed like the easiest way to fix it.--Cúchullain t/c 20:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

read deleted material

Hello, can I view the material that was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrea_Minichiello_Williams&action=edit&redlink=1 please. AWT (talk) 20:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to give me (or Travellingcari, who originally deleted the page) a good reason for why you want to see it. As it was originally deleted as an attack page and a BLP violation, and you're the one who wrote it, I am skeptical about why you want to view it.--Cúchullain t/c 22:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Honestly, I want to see what information I put into it and completely re-write it (off wikipedia) and then get it authorised by someone like yourself for review before putting it up. I can assure you it will not be an attack article but I would really liek to see the info I used. But, if I did create another horrendous page then ban me. This is the only way I can asure you I will not do that I think. Hop ethis makes sense. AWT (talk) 08:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, no dice. A new article will have to be just that - a new article, and will have to be reliably sourced, give an explanation for why it's notable, and not defamatory, if you hope it to be kept.--Cúchullain t/c 15:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Arthur's return

Hey there, I've made a contribution to try and re-use some of the material in a more legitimate way; how does it look? ok? All the best, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Thomas. It looks much better now, hopefully this will finally convince Enaidmawr. I'll do some polishing work soon to get the article up to concert pitch; I want to get to expanding it as discussed at the talk page soon.
At any rate I hope all is well with you and your research.--Cúchullain t/c 22:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, all going fine atm - just finished proofing an article for Dumville's new journal. Enaidmawr has made a couple of edits to the piece again, which I wouldn't make, but I'll leave it with you now, unless you want me to weigh in again :) He has some interesting material and I think it would be very appropriate used elsewhere on the page and in wiki (the 'son of prophecy' page, perhaps), but we have to be careful not to read 12th century notions into 9th century texts etc etc. Cheers and all the best, Hrothgar cyning (talk) 08:45, 29 September 2008 (UTC) p.s. I would def say that 'clear' needs removing - it is not that there is no 'clear' mention of return in the Englynion - there is no mention of it at all: it is only there if you add it from your own consideration of William of Newburgh etc...

removed facts

Hi!

I added a short notice about the Grail in one of Neil Gaiman's short stories under the section Modern retellings. You removed that and I would like to know why. If I have violated some policy about articles I apologise, but please inform me if that is the case.

Kind regards,

Iacobaeus (talk) 18:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I removed it because it was just one mention, I didn't think it was important enough for the article. We can't list every modern retelling (or modern story that uses some aspect of the Grail legend.) It's nothing personal.--Cúchullain t/c 18:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

re:Criticism of Muhammad article edits

I'd like to invite both you and Peacekeeper-89 to discuss your ongoing "edit war" on the article's talk page to see if perhaps a solution can be found to the current situation, rather than the (in my opinion) pointless back and forth editing that's happening at the moment. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is more a case of reverting linkspam than edit warring. That user has made nearly no constructive edits, especially not to that article; most of his or her edits consist of adding those apologetics sites to that one article. I've responded to you on the talk page, but the links need to stay out until Peacekeeper has justified their inclusion.--Cúchullain t/c 01:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Buddhism

You should make constructive edits rather than vandalizing pages by deleting whole sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manjushri222 (talkcontribs) 14:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It's on you as the one introducing or re-introducing the controverted material to source it and make sure it is well written. It's not the job of everyone else to clean up after you, and I certainly don't appreciate my good edits being called "vandalism".--Cúchullain t/c 15:40, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

sorry, but it is vandalism to try to suppress the truth, why don't you live up to your Irish hero's name? (Manjushri222 (talk) 15:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC))

you are so biased, stop vandalizing the page! (Manjushri222 (talk) 15:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)).

Discussion on Aisha's age

Hi Cuchullain. Can you please continue the discussion talk page for "Aisha" so we can resolve the issue? I'd like to have a discussion so we can both agree to something that meets Wikipedia's standards, and move forward. I won't be able to check this page, so it'd be great if you can continue on the talk page. Omer (talk) 04:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

As soon as I can I will respond to all your points at the article talk page.--Cúchullain t/c 04:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: America

I find your actions and edits, obviously in support of a specific version at the 'America' disambiguation page, objectionable.[5][6] This [7] is uncalled for, since it's dealt with on the talk page. As well, please explicitly point out (with links) the consensus which supports the current version -- I suspect you can't or won't. 216.234.60.106 (talk) 15:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I have no opinion about which version should be preferred. I reverted to the most establish version I could find; the version that was protected on September 28. Notice that as soon as that previous protection expired the page was once again subjected to edit warring, including by you. The only option was to protect the page again. I notice you have engaged in revert warring at that page several times under this IP alone. This time you will have to resolve the issue through discussion.--Cúchullain t/c 15:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Of course you have an opinion and preference, since you reverted and restored the prior version while invoking consensus which either doesn't exist or which you/others haven't demonstrated. You indicate you restored the 'most establish (sic) version', but just beforehand commented for said editor to "at least get the wording right", without giving any thought that the word change was actually intended. You also neglect that the prior versions prevailed for quite some time beforehand, until you, Kman... and Russ have apparently opted for another version and arguably have edit warred just the same. So, you too will have to explain yourself and, as yet (and particularly as an administrator), haven't. Next time, instead of giving a false impression of impartiality, perhaps you should let someone else intervene. I will edit accordingly. 216.234.60.106 (talk) 16:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Calm down. It wasn't a matter of enforcing whatever opinion you believe I have, it was a matter of finding the most consensual version I could and protecting the page from the ongoing revert wars. You can believe I protected the wrong version all you wish, but the protection was to stop the pointless revert warring you and others have been engaged in. You can voice your opinion on the talk page; I notice you haven't done that.--Cúchullain t/c 17:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Your comment has been read. 216.234.60.106 (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hispanic and Latinoamerican, again

Would you please stop removing the Globalize tag? Hispanics live across the entire world, including the Philippines, Mexico, and Spain. Latinoamericans live in Latinoamerican societies, like Mexico and Colombia. Stop pushing neologisms.

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861727807/hispanic.html

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/latinamerican?view=uk

http://www.askoxford.com/languages/es/toi_las/?view=uk

http://www.international.ucla.edu/lac/publications/las.asp

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQqtgpqvHL0C&pg=PR20&lpg=PR20&dq=%22mexicans+are+americans%22&source=web&ots=d0BhkYu2Ag&sig=auR8b5RYUdDt-JNuD0yI1FmhgwY&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result

Deepstratagem (talk) 21:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I will not stop removing tags you've placed in bad faith. You are well aware that the US sense of American is not a neologism but a perfectly legitimate use of the word, and the only one common in English. Those articles make it clear they are discussing American topics. If you can think of a better title, suggest that, but your tags are entirely inappropriate.--Cúchullain t/c 22:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion on non-English sources

Hello! I wanted to point your attention towards this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#How_exactly_are_foreign_language_sources_verifiable.3F

And I started a new thread here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#When_is_an_.27English_verifiable.27_source_available.3F

I'd appreciate if you can also come on this (second thread), where I want to get other wikipedians' opinions on when is a non-English source admissible and when is it not.

Thanks. Omer (talk) 08:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I will definitely contribute, and hopefully we'll come to a resolution. Thank you.--Cúchullain t/c 23:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at Red Horn (legend)? There is an editor making POV editions, original research, conflict of interest, etc. He wont respond on the talk page, he just keeps reverting everything I do to maintain the neutrality of the article. I'd justlike a second opinion, and maybe some advice/help dealing with it. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 04:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll look into. If he won't discuss his changes, then we may have a problem.--Cúchullain t/c 23:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)