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Improvement

This article needs some serious editing and general revamping. For being one of the most influential cities in the world (and a possible Olympics candidate!), we can do way better. Let's get this article featured. --Un sogno modesto 21:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Also, the article says that the West Side is served by the green line. I lived near Taylor Street (Little Italy) and I always took the Blue line. No Green line near there. I remember I could take the Blue line to the city up O'Hare Airport. Somebody who still lives in the city may confirm that or especify wich line goes to where.Solcita 14:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

The Green line runs due west from the city out to Harlem at 300N.Shsilver 15:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

While I make my changes, I also have the New York City article open in another tab - as comparison. KyuuA4 04:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Lists

Within the paragraphs, too many lists are used. For example, under Transportation:
The Kennedy Expressway is I-90 from the Loop to the northwest suburbs past O'Hare International Airport. The Dan Ryan Expressway is I-90/94 from south of the "Circle Interchange" to the I-57 split, and from the I-57 split south is the Bishop Ford Freeway. The rest of I-94 is called the Edens Expressway. I-94 is also called the Kennedy Expressway between the Circle Interchange and Peterson (US Rte 14). I-90 becomes the Chicago Skyway when it breaks off from the Dan Ryan Expressway. Other named highway segments are the Stevenson Expressway (I-55), Eisenhower Expressway (I-290), Tri-State Tollway (I-294), Kingery Expressway (I-80), North-South Tollway (I-355), The O'Hare Extension (I-190), and East-West Tollway (Reagan Memorial) (I-88). Note that I-57 does not carry an expressway name, and the "Bishop Ford Freeway" name breaks Chicago tradition of applying the "Expressway" label to all of its limited-access highways.
Lists like that increase clutter and decrease article readability. KyuuA4 03:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Architecture

Too much specific information. Need to generalize. KyuuA4 05:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhoods

So, there are separate articles for each of the Chicago neighborhoods, found in the Community areas of Chicago. While they're "summarized" as North, South, West, and Southwest sides, the entire neighborhood section can be compacted still. KyuuA4 03:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Added the cleanup tag because this section very much needs some re-working. It's unfocused. Lacks citation. Too long. KyuuA4 04:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Maps. North Side. South Side. West Side. Is it possible to have a map of the three sections encompassed with a general outline of Chicago proper? KyuuA4 20:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it could be done. It has been suggested on this talk page already, as a space saver. Speciate 23:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The link here is to the chicago community areas article. There is also a chicago neighborhoods article--both are important since community areas, while derived from the chicago neighborhoods in the early 20th century, do not reflect the changing nature of neighborhoods. I may update the links here Sblument 19:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Sports

Removed anything that seemed "boastful". Such material can be relegated into the Sports in Chicago article. For NPOV, focus more on who the teams are and where they play. The focus is on the city, not the success level of the sport teams. Such information can go into the Sports in Chicago article. KyuuA4 04:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion to move Chicago to Chicago, Illinois

Over at the naming convention page, a discussion has been started about moving Chicago back to the city, state standard. All views and inputs are welcomed. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 05:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Would someone please care to explain WTF? this article was moved AGAIN from Chicago, Illinois back to the non-wiki-standard name, Chicago?!?! All these recent page moves are making my head spin. Please stop this cr*p. Dr. Cash 20:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Having this article at Chicago, Illinois leads people to thinking that this is one of several significant cities named Chicago. Georgia guy 20:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed several times over the years. Other major cities (London, Paris, and many more) are titled by the name of the city alone. A good argument is that often people use the word "Chicago" as a place when writing (rather than "Chicago, Illinois"). I prefer the one-word title myself. -- DS1953 ^talk 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

• Dr. Cash, Chicago is not a "non-wiki-standard" title. Specifying the state is the standard way to disambiguate the name of U.S. city, when disambiguation is required. Unfortunately, some years ago a very small number of folks decided to apply the disambiguation naming convention to all U.S. cities, and used a bot to make those changes. But the standard in Wikipedia is to use the most common name used to refer to the subject of an article as the title, unless disambiguation is required. Chicago, Philadelphia, New York City, and, arguably, many other U.S. cities should not be disambiguated by state. The title is supposed to reflect the name of the subject. The state is not part of the name of a city, and should only be part of the title if and when disambiguation is required. --Serge 22:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Yes, it is; Serge, please stop distorting what we actually do. Almost all municipalities in the United States are at City, State. There is a small movement to move all ones where there is no other municipality of the same name, including Lucas Township, Minnesota to the simple municipal name; there is a larger movement, to which I belong, to take some twenty or thirty cities and move them to City alone. Neither has prevailed; nd given the recent discussion of Boston, Massachusetts, neither is at all likely to prevail. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this page should be Chicago, Illinois for many reasons one reason being the fact that there is a musical titled "Chicago" and the movie based on the musical "Chicago" there is also a band named "Chicago." I think leaving the name in general "Chicago" disambiguated and changing the city Chicago to Chicago, Illinois. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.248.109 (talk) 08:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't make any difference. Either way, typing "Chicago" will bring you here, and either way, typing "Chicago, Illinois" will bring you here. I am unable to grasp how people can be hung up on the actual location of the text--Loodog 13:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC).

NPOV

As I stated, the article smacks of non-neutral point-of-view, what with three instances of the weasel word arguably. There may be more examples, but those are the ones that jumped out of me. As such, I motion for the reinstating of the {{NPOV}} tag. - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I've readded the tag. I had removed it since there was no occupanying discussion. Since there is now discussion, I have no problem.--Loodog 23:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Not trying to be rude, but did you mean occupying or accompanying? - Dudesleeper · Talk 03:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

For NPOV, it is best to remove anything that is seemingly "boastful" about the City of Chicago. Having lived near the city for the past 20 years, it is easy to feel that sense of city pride. But, that has no place in the article. KyuuA4 02:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Suggested Addition

As a lover of the city of Chicago, and of dialects, I think there should be something added about the dialect of the city of Chicago. I will admit that the dialect spoken by the white people in Chicagoland is not unique to Chicagoland (it is the same as the one spoken in Milwaukee, Detroit, Buffalo, etc. See: Inland Northern American English), however, I think it is worth noting. It is something that people from other places notice when they visit Chicago, or anywhere else in the Inland North. 208.104.45.20 04:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

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Poorly Written and Unclear Sentence

The following sentence needs changing: "Since the Chicago World's Fair of 1893, one organization regards it as one of the ten most influential cities in the world." I can find no indication on the linked website that the 1893 World's Fair had anything to do with Chicago being named an Alpha World City. Can someone--perhaps with a better knowledge of the writer's intent--clean this section up? Also, I think the organization's name would work better than "one organization." (140.247.10.146 16:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC))

CFD

The related Category:Fictional Chicagoans has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for Discussion page.

John Hancock Centre

Scyscraper John Hancock Centre is not showed in the article. Only in panorama view, but it's in very long distance and it's seen bad. Please add some good pictures of Chicago's panorama showing John Hancock and Near North Side from Sears Tower. Thank you guys -- Novis-M —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 19:23, August 25, 2007 (UTC).

We can select a mulititude of images showing Chicago's skyline. The vantage point from the Adler Planetarium is sufficient enough. Regardless of any vantage point, some landmark will always be blocked from view. KyuuA4 22:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed.

• The History and Sports sections contain stubby paragraphs.
• The Neighborhoods and Private schools sections are too short.
• Web references need to display the author, publisher, publishing date and access date.
• "See also" links belong at the top of sections.
• The article is under-referrenced. Inline citations are needed for all statements that are likely to be challenged, and for all statistics.

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GA/R). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Regards, Epbr123 13:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

some-thing's missing

Didn't there used to be a section on famous people associated with Chicago? Did the list get cut because it was too long? If so, does it exist under some other name? If so, it should be x-reffed here. If not, it should be re-instated some-where and x-reffed here. What about other lists pertaining to the city, e.g., the one on books, movies, etc. dealing with Chicago? I think all the various articles about Chicago should be easily found in no more than two simple steps from this main article. Kdammers 11:25, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you are looking for this, which can easily be found by searching (easier than looking for a link on the main article, which is very long and has tons of links already). If you can find an appropriate place to add a link, though, please go ahead. shoeofdeath 17:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

By clicking on the Chicago, Illinois category, you can find the sub-category Chicago-related_listsShsilver 17:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop hurting Wikipedia readers.

I recently made the following post on the Wikipedia Chicago page, just above the section on climate. Only to have this post deleted within 24 hours. Who did this and why. My Wikitalk username is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GPelly-Bosela

, and my email address is gpelly.bosela@gmail.com .  

If whoever did this, did not like something about my post, then If that person tells me, I might be eager to change that part of my post. If someone didn’t like the source I referenced, then I ask that person to send me a link to a source that he or she does like, or to substitute this source for mine, themselves. This would be far preferable to deleting this post without trying to notify me, as any vandal would do. This action hurts Wikipedia readers, by preventing them from being able to read information that I believe they would be eager to read. And this deletion with no attempt at notification, is cowardly to boot. Make yourself known, and make the reasons for your actions known.

Here is the post that was deleted.

Perhaps the information would be better in the Geography of Chicago article. Speciate 00:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Latitude

Downtown Chicago is located 100.1 geographical degrees due east of downtown Rome. (according to measurements taken to the nearest tenth of a geographical degree) . No other pair of cities, each of which, is as populous as, or more populous than, each of these cities, is as close in latitude as these cities are to each other. Being located at the same latitude, tells us that on any date, two places will experience the same amount of time between sunrise and sunset. Often two places at the same latitude, will also experience similar temperatures. This is not so in this case, because Rome, (like nearly all European cities), is warmed by the North Atlantic Gulf Stream, (in a similar effect to that felt by all Northern Hemisphere lands located on the Northeastern edge of large oceans, and by all Southern Hemisphere lands located on the Southwestern edge of large oceans. An effect that is caused by the oval shaped motion of currents in our world’s oceans), and because Chicago is not warmed by any oceanic current.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GPelly-Bosela 2007, Oct. 3, 12:17 a. (U.K., Ireland, Iberian Peninsula, and far West African time)

Interesting, but it does not belong in this article.--Loodog 03:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Then where, in your judgement, does it belong? GPelly-Bosela —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 07:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Two people have recently told me that they consider the above article to be original research. I see a great deal of validity in their arguments, but ...

... I believe that I disagree with them. While I did discover many facts in this article, through personal investigation, I have always assumed that many other people had discovered many of these facts long before I did. As one example that I was correct in this assumption, I have recently learned that Chicago elementary schools teach that Chicago is located at the same latitude as Rome. (Props to Wikipedian Speciate). I don’t know if anyone before me has discovered that no other pair of cities, both of which are at least as populous as these two cities, is so close in latitude. I believe, though, that any source that publishes coordinates for any group of cities, also publishes, by implication, the differences between these coordinates, and comparisons of these differences, and that, for this reason, any source that publishes coordinates of all cities this populous can, be cited as a source for all that I wrote in the above article.

While we may often think that ideas of ours, are original, often these ideas are only new to us. I consider it flattering to me, that these people consider my ideas, to be original research, but in this case, I believe that they are incorrect to believe this.

George Pelly-Bosela

gpelly.bosela@gmail.com

GPelly-Bosela 07:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC) (U.K., Ireland, Iberian Peninsula, far West Africa, and nearby island, time)

You've missed that this particular point is official Wikipedia policy. If it's not original research, then you can provide us with reliable, third-party sources showing where somebody else said it. An ISBN and page reference, or a reliable website will do. ➔ REDVEЯS was here 08:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Even then, it reads like "Trivia", to the main Chicago article anyways. Yet, if anything, the comparison with Rome can be included in Climate of Chicago. KyuuA4 15:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The source can be a book, I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Speciate 18:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Non-Catholic Private Schools

Are there any non-Catholic Private Schools? So far, Catholic private schools are the only ones mentioned, under Private schools. KyuuA4 21:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)