User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar

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Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Email

Do you have an email contact? If you can set access to it on your Wikipedia profile it may making messaging easier. Dan arndt (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

BLPN

Hello. It's been so long since you placed your note at WP:BLPN about Frank Howson, that I thought I'd duplicate my reply here. :) I'll be watching your talk page if you'd like to discuss it with me further.

I have tagged the article with {{COI2}} and left template {{Uw-coi}} at the talk page of the editor. I am unfamiliar with the subject, but as a regular contributor trust that you will be keeping an eye on it. :) If you feel the problem persists, you may have better luck addressing it at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard where volunteers are more accustomed to dealing specifically with this issue. I know it recommends at the top bringing BLP issues here, but I do see other autobiographies addressed on that page. I suspect (though I'm not sure) that they mean a COI where an editor is deliberately defaming the subject of the article rather than promoting him. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind response, my concerns relate to both self-promotion within the Frank Howson article but also the editor's contributions to linked articles. To my eye they tend to be non-NPOV and poorly referenced & I have corrected some that I felt were too extreme: other editors have done likewise. Until recently, I was unaware that the editor was almost certainly the subject of this article and thus had particular personal biases for or against living individuals in other articles. With this hindsight, more of his contributions are possible non-NPOV statements and they still remain, both here and elsewhere. Since I have also been a contributor to many of the same articles I felt that I should not delete nor modify his contributions due to possible bias.

I suggest looking at the article's Page History starting with 14:30, 9 August 2007 version, just before I started editing the article: it was due to be deleted! I put in a lot of effort to wikify this article in good faith perceiving the content to be notable but poorly formatted. Check the article's version on 00:21, 21 September 2007 after most of my changes had been implemented. I did contribute a few more times attempting to obtain a photo of Mr. Howson for the infobox but no usable image was available however consider: Image:Frank Howson.jpg uploaded by the editor and which I used for the article but was subsequently deleted. I pointed out on the editor's talk page (on 11:41, 25 September 2007, before due date of deletion had occurred) that it was a good image but that it was the same as that on Mr. Howson's MySpace page: I believed it had been taken off the page without permission but the editor may have been able to provide evidence of such permission.

Now, however, I suspect Howson of writing almost all of the content of the article - I concede that he has a phenomenal memory (or has kept very good notes): I have been able to verify / edit substantial portions of his account but some remains murky and likely non-NPOV. I notice from the article that Howson has researched and is promoting a "tell all" book, he has produced/directed new film/stage projects since returning to Australia and is looking to start more projects: thus portions of this article becomes highly suspect as self-promotional.

IMO, other articles that require checking for possible non-NPOV statements made by this editor (or by non-identified ISPs that may be same person) include: Terry Reid (self-promotion?); John Paul Young negative non-NPOV & since deleted (but may return in future); Kerry Armstrong negative non-NPOV is still in article; Les Darcy (self-promotion? & negative non-NPOV to Heath Ledger); Stan Rofe (self-promotion?); Magical Frank (self-promotion? & merge to existing Frank Howson as being same person!) similar {{COI2}} and {{COI2}} may be needed here too; and Guy Pearce (self-promotion? some still remains: most of the original non-NPOV (negative comments about Pearce) entries have be deleted by other editors).

Due to my own involvement, I don't believe I have sufficient neutrality to undertake the edits / changes that I perceive to be required. Hence, I have asked for a suitable administrator to check entries by this editor (& possible non-identified ISP edits) for non-NPOV content.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It sounds very much as though you might want to file this at WP:COIN, then. I would imagine that the editors there are used to dealing with such situations and may be able to help straighten it out. Good luck with it! --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You Open My Eyes

No problem, glad to be of service!--Nkrosse (talk) 05:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hoodoo Gurus tours

Have added some information about some of their early tours - did you know that Lou Reed was the opening act for their 1986 MTV performance at the Ritz in New York?

• I think that it is time that we put the article up for 'GA' nomination and see what feedback we get. Dan arndt (talk) 02:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Future Collaborations

Seeing that we have worked relatively well on HG do you want to give another one a try - was thinking about Australian Crawl I started work on it last year but got sidetracked, as I often do. It needs a whole swag of references but the general bones of it are there - have listed their albums and most of their singles. Anyway give it a look and tell me what you think. If you want to look at any other worthy articles let me know. Dan arndt (talk) 06:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hoodoo Gurus discography

Am going to see what I can do about improving this article - am not promising anything but I'll see if I can adapt a couple of wikitables, particularly in respect to the singles. Dan arndt (talk) 07:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• The chart for the singles looks good - probably is better located on the discography page than on the HG page - need to add to the table all the singles even if they didn't chart and include any promo singles, radio singles and overseas released singles.

• I agree with the comments about the lead to the discography article - have a look at Powderfinger discography

• I can't find anything to support "In Blue Cave" as a single but as per previous comments we could add a note on the discography listing.

• Persian Rugs is better left as a separate article.Dan arndt (talk) 02:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I've started with the Wikitables - what do think? Dan arndt (talk) 04:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I attempted a wikitable for the singles but ran out of steam.... could do with your help. Dan arndt (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

HG Tour

Based on the ifno I've been able to find Kingsmill was on the HG's intial tour of the US - which would make it in 1985. Dan arndt (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Then we have conflicting info. Harp's Fred Mills says he saw them "Thanksgiving eve 1984" (Nov 20ish) in Charlotte, NC and reiterates later with "Shortly before the '84 American tour, drummer James Baker quit the band, replaced with Mark Kingsmill." Harp Magazine

Since James was fired in August '84 ... this implies Kingsmill joined in 1984, (Aus Rock Db confirms 84) learnt his parts, they toured US and then they went into studios for Mars Needs Guitars! (released in May 85).

Also check HG bootlegs with three recorded in US late 84. One of these could be the very concert Mills saw!Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Based on the above would have to say the US tour obviously commenced in 1984 - good detective work! Dan arndt (talk) 07:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

HG Discog

Have decided to use your wikitable for the singles as I couldn't get my version to work - have put in the US chart listings for the albums & included a note relating to the singles for Blue Cave - will look at adding further notes possibly for Magnum Cum Louder. Dan arndt (talk) 08:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The Real Deal

Do you have a date for the single release? Dan arndt (talk) 08:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Have included it in the infobox for Electric Chair, as per your suggestion. Dan arndt (talk) 08:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The Armchair Gurus & Electric Chair were apparently released to coincide with the band's farewell Australian tour (which took place in November 1997) - based on that I would have to guess that Hoodoo Voodoo was released prior to that. "The Real Deal" (again just a guess) must have been around the same time as the albums - more detective work required. Dan arndt (talk) 08:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hoodoo Voodoo

The article has the EP released on March 27, 1997 but dicogs has it as being released in February, 1997. Am not certain where I originally tracked down the release date.... In any case I think we can safely assume that Armchair Gurus, Electric Chair & "The real Deal" were all released later that year. Will see if I can track down any actual release dates... Dan arndt (talk) 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)