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[[Image:Platdietsestreek.png|thumb|left|400px|Schematic map of the [[Low Dietsch]] language area (''Platdietse streek'') in Belgium. <br> ''Orange'': [[Low Dietsch]] speaking area within the French speaking Community (Province of Liege)<br>''Dark green'': German speaking Community (Province of Liege)<br> ''Violet'': French speaking Community (Province of Liege)<br>''Red'': Dutch speaking Community (Belgian Province of Limburg)<br>]]
[[Image:Platdietsestreek.png|thumb|400px|Schematic map of the [[Low Dietsch]] language area (''Platdietse streek'') in Belgium.
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{{legend|#ff8040|[[Low Dietsch]]-speaking area within the [[French Community of Belgium|French-speaking Community]] ([[Liège (province)|Province of Liège]])}}
{{legend|#808040|[[German-speaking Community of Belgium|German-speaking Community]] ([[Liège (province)|Province of Liège]])}}
{{legend|#8080ff|[[French Community of Belgium|French-speaking Community]] ([[Liège (province)|Province of Liège]])}}
{{legend|#ff0000|[[Flemish Community|Dutch-speaking Community]] ([[Limburg (Belgian province)|Belgian Province of Limburg]])}} ]]
[[Image:Langbel.jpg|400px|thumb|Language situation in Belgium. The [[Low Dietsch]] area is marked as ''Dutch, French & German'']]


'''Low Dietsch''' ({{lang-nl|Platdiets}}, Limburgish: ''Platduutsj'', {{lang-fr|Thiois or Platdutch}}, not to be confused with the generic term [[Plattduutsch]]) is a term mainly used within the Flemish terminology for the transitional [[Limburgish]]-[[Ripuarian]] dialects of a number of towns and villages in the north-east of the Belgian province of [[Liege]], such as Gemmenich, [[Homburg]], Montzen and [[Welkenraedt]]. [[Image:Langbel.jpg|450px|thumb|Language situation in Belgium. The [[Low Dietsch]] area is marked as ''Dutch, French & German'']]
'''Low Dietsch''' ({{lang-nl|Platdiets}}, {{lang-li|Platduutsj}}, {{lang-fr|Thiois}} or {{lang|fr|''Platdutch''}}, not to be confused with the generic term [[Plattduutsch]]) is a term mainly used within the Flemish terminology for the transitional [[Limburgish]][[Ripuarian language|Ripuarian]] dialects of a number of towns and villages in the north-east of the Belgian province of [[Liege]], such as Gemmenich, [[Homburg]], Montzen and [[Welkenraedt]].
This region, lying within the Belgian ([[Walloon]]) ''three frontiers area'' stretching from [[Voeren]] towards [[Eupen]], crossing [[Plombières]] ([[Bleiberg]]), is called the [[Low Dietsch]] area (Dutch: ''Platdietse streek''). German dialectologists tend to roughly count this variety as [[Ripuarian Franconian]], but more precisely it shows the gradual transition between [[Low Franconian]] [[Limburgish]] and [[West Central German]] [[Ripuarian]]. It belongs to the whole range of [[Meuse-Rhenish]] varieties that make the north-western part of the greater fan-like [[dialect continuum]] called the ''Rhenish fan'' (in German: ''Rheinischer Fächer''). As the most periphere variety of southern Limburgish, it represents the language of the old [[Duchy of Limburg]], that had its historic kernel just there (Welschen 2000-2005).


This region, lying within the Belgian ([[Walloon]]) ''three frontiers area'' stretching from [[Voeren]] towards [[Eupen]], crossing [[Plombières]] ([[Bleiberg]]), is called the [[Low Dietsch]] area ({{lang-nl|Platdietse streek}}). German dialectologists tend to roughly count this variety as [[Ripuarian Franconian]], but more precisely it shows the gradual transition between [[Low Franconian]] [[Limburgish]] and [[West Central German]] Ripuarian. It belongs to the whole range of [[Meuse-Rhenish]] varieties that make the north-western part of the greater fan-like [[dialect continuum]] called the ''Rhenish fan'' ({{lang-de|Rheinischer Fächer}}). As the most periphere variety of southern Limburgish, it represents the language of the old [[Duchy of Limburg]], that had its historic kernel just there.
===Carolingian Frankish===
In French, the term ''francique carolingien'' (Carolingian Frankish) is also used<ref>[http://www.lesoir.be/regions/liege/culture-pour-sauver-la-langue-2007-08-07-543405.shtml Obelit au secours du patois]</ref>, because of its historic roots, dating back to the [[Carolingian]] era. Historically, this language area stretched from [[Tongres]] to [[Cologne]], and this Limburgish-Frankish variety itself probably was the mother tongue of [[Charlemagne]]<ref> idem </ref>. Since 1963, it officially belongs to the [[Walloon Region]] and the [[French Community of Belgium]], but since 1992, this dialect is acknowledged as an internal regional language by the [[Wallonia|Walloon]] authority. Linguistically, however, it cannot be a called a [[Walloon language|walloon]] dialect, because of its entirely Germanic, transitional [[Low Franconian]] / [[Middle German]] nature. It forms the northwestern
border of Ripuarian and the southeastern of [[Meuse-Rhenish]] or ''francique rhéno-mosan'' in Belgium.


== Carolingian Frankish ==
In French, the term {{lang|fr|''francique carolingien''}} (Carolingian Frankish) is also used<ref name="Le Soir">[http://www.lesoir.be/regions/liege/culture-pour-sauver-la-langue-2007-08-07-543405.shtml Obelit au secours du patois]{{dead link}}, ''[[Le Soir]]''</ref>, because of its historic roots, dating back to the [[Carolingian]] era. Historically, this language area stretched from [[Tongres]] to [[Cologne]], and this Limburgish-Frankish variety itself probably was the mother tongue of [[Charlemagne]]<ref name="Le Soir"/>. Since 1963, it officially belongs to the [[Walloon Region]] and the [[French Community of Belgium]], but since 1992, this dialect is acknowledged as an internal regional language by the [[Wallonia|Walloon]] authority. Linguistically, however, it cannot be a called a [[Walloon language|walloon]] dialect, because of its entirely Germanic, transitional [[Low Franconian]] / [[Middle Low German]] nature. It forms the northwestern border of Ripuarian and the southeastern of Meuse-Rhenish or {{lang|fr|''francique rhéno-mosan''}} in Belgium.


===Southeast Limburgish===
===Southeast Limburgish===
'''Southeast Limburgish''' (Dutch: ''Zuidoost-Limburgs''), as spoken around [[Kerkrade]], [[Bocholtz]] and [[Vaals]] in the Netherlands, [[Aachen]] in Germany and [[Raeren]] and [[Eynatten]] in Belgium, also shows the gradual transition from [[Limburgish]] towards [[Ripuarian]]. It is adjacent to the southeastern border of the [[Meuse-Rhenish]] language area, and is related to [[Southern Meuse-Rhenish]]. Limburgish straddles the borderline between [[Low Franconian]] and [[West Central German]] varieties. They are more-or-less mutually intelligible with the Ripuarian dialects, but show fewer 'High German shifts' (R. Hahn 2001).
'''Southeast Limburgish''' ({{lang-nl|Zuidoost-Limburgs}}), as spoken around [[Kerkrade]], [[Bocholtz]] and [[Vaals]] in the Netherlands, [[Aachen]] in Germany and [[Raeren]] and [[Eynatten]] in Belgium, also shows the gradual transition from Limburgish towards Ripuarian. It is adjacent to the southeastern border of the Meuse-Rhenish language area, and is related to [[Southern Meuse-Rhenish]]. Limburgish straddles the borderline between Low Franconian and West Central German varieties. They are more-or-less mutually intelligible with the Ripuarian dialects, but show fewer 'High German shifts' (R. Hahn 2001).

Dialects belonging to the Ripuarian group almost always call themselves ''Platt'' like ''Öcher Platt'' (of Aachen) or ''Eischwiele Platt'' (of Eschweiler). The reason behind this is, that most of the far more than hundred Ripuarian dialects are bound to a village or municipality. Usually there are small distinctive differences between neighboring dialects, and increasingly bigger ones between the more distant ones. These are described by a set of [[isoglosses]] called the 'Rhenish fan' (''Rheinischer Fächer'' in linguistics). The way someone talks, even if he is not using Ripuarian, quite often allows to trace him precisely to a village or city quarter where he learned to speak.
Dialects belonging to the Ripuarian group almost always call themselves ''Platt'' like ''Öcher Platt'' (of Aachen) or ''Eischwiele Platt'' (of Eschweiler). The reason behind this is, that most of the far more than hundred Ripuarian dialects are bound to a village or municipality. Usually there are small distinctive differences between neighboring dialects, and increasingly bigger ones between the more distant ones. These are described by a set of [[isoglosses]] called the 'Rhenish fan' (''Rheinischer Fächer'' in linguistics). The way someone talks, even if he is not using Ripuarian, quite often allows to trace him precisely to a village or city quarter where he learned to speak.


According to a contemporary vision, all varieties in a wider half circle some 15 to 20 KM around Aachen, including 2/3 of Dutch South Limburg and also the Low Dietsch area between [[Voeren]] and [[Eupen]] in Belgium, can be taken as a group of its own, which recently has been named '''Limburgish of the Three Countries Area''' (Dutch: ''Drielandenlimburgs'', German: Dreiländerplatt), referring to the place where the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany meet. Its concept was introduced by Ad Welschen (2005), mainly based on research by Jean Frins. This variety still possesses interesting syntactic idiosyncrasies, probably dating from the period in which the old Duchy of Limburg existed.
According to a contemporary vision, all varieties in a wider half circle some 15–20 km around Aachen, including two-thirds of Dutch South Limburg and also the Low Dietsch area between [[Voeren]] and [[Eupen]] in Belgium, can be taken as a group of its own, which recently has been named '''Limburgish of the Three Countries Area''' ({{lang-nl|Drielandenlimburgs}}, {{lang-de|Dreiländerplatt}}), referring to the place where the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany meet. Its concept was introduced by Ad Welschen (2005), mainly based on research by Jean Frins. This variety still possesses interesting syntactic idiosyncrasies, probably dating from the period in which the old Duchy of Limburg existed.


==Classification==
==Classification==
*[[Indo-European]]
* [[Indo-European languages|Indo-European]]
**[[Germanic languages|Germanic]]
** [[Germanic languages|Germanic]]
***[[West Germanic]]
*** [[West Germanic]]
****[[Low Franconian]] / [[Middle German]]
**** [[Low Franconian]] / [[Middle Low German]]
*****[[Limburgish]]-[[Ripuarian]] / [[Low Dietsch]]
***** [[Limburgish]][[Ripuarian language|Ripuarian]] / [[Low Dietsch]]


==Source==
== References ==
{{ref begin}}
*Ad Welschen, 2000-2005: Course ''Dutch Society and Culture'', International School for Humanities and Social Studies ISHSS, Universiteit van Amsterdam.
* Ad Welschen, 2000-2005: Course ''Dutch Society and Culture'', International School for Humanities and Social Studies ISHSS, Universiteit van Amsterdam.

{{refend}}
'''Notes and references'''
{{reflist}}
<references />


==See also==
==See also==
*[[Southern Meuse-Rhenish]]
* [[Southern Meuse-Rhenish]]
*[[Ripuarian]]
* [[Ripuarian language]]
*[[:de: Ripuarisch-Limburgisch]]
* ''[[:de:Ripuarisch-Limburgisch|Ripuarisch-Limburgisch]]'' in the [[German Wikipedia]] {{de icon}}
*[[:fr: Thiois]]
* ''[[:fr:Thiois|Thiois]]'' in the [[French Wikipedia]] {{fr icon}}
*[[:nl: Zuidoost-Limburgs]]
* ''[[:nl:Zuidoost-Limburgs|Zuidoost-Limburgs]]'' in the [[Dutch Wikipedia]] {{nl icon}}
*[[Eupen-Malmedy]]
* [[Eupen-Malmedy]]


==External links==
==External links==
*Belgian ''Three frontiers area'': [http://www.trois-frontieres.be/F/sit_geo.php Trois frontières].
* Belgian ''Three frontiers area'': [http://www.trois-frontieres.be/F/sit_geo.php Trois frontières].
* [http://projetbabel.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9969 Projet babel]
* [http://projetbabel.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9969 Projet babel]
* [http://www.remersdael.be/Histoire/patois.html Notre patois, notre "Platdutch"]
* [http://www.remersdael.be/Histoire/patois.html Notre patois, notre "Platdutch"]
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Schematic map of the Low Dietsch language area (Platdietse streek) in Belgium.
File:Langbel.jpg
Language situation in Belgium. The Low Dietsch area is marked as Dutch, French & German

Low Dietsch (Dutch: Platdiets, Limburgish: Platduutsj, French: Thiois or [Platdutch] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help), not to be confused with the generic term Plattduutsch) is a term mainly used within the Flemish terminology for the transitional LimburgishRipuarian dialects of a number of towns and villages in the north-east of the Belgian province of Liege, such as Gemmenich, Homburg, Montzen and Welkenraedt.

This region, lying within the Belgian (Walloon) three frontiers area stretching from Voeren towards Eupen, crossing Plombières (Bleiberg), is called the Low Dietsch area (Dutch: Platdietse streek). German dialectologists tend to roughly count this variety as Ripuarian Franconian, but more precisely it shows the gradual transition between Low Franconian Limburgish and West Central German Ripuarian. It belongs to the whole range of Meuse-Rhenish varieties that make the north-western part of the greater fan-like dialect continuum called the Rhenish fan (German: Rheinischer Fächer). As the most periphere variety of southern Limburgish, it represents the language of the old Duchy of Limburg, that had its historic kernel just there.

Carolingian Frankish

In French, the term [francique carolingien] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) (Carolingian Frankish) is also used[1], because of its historic roots, dating back to the Carolingian era. Historically, this language area stretched from Tongres to Cologne, and this Limburgish-Frankish variety itself probably was the mother tongue of Charlemagne[1]. Since 1963, it officially belongs to the Walloon Region and the French Community of Belgium, but since 1992, this dialect is acknowledged as an internal regional language by the Walloon authority. Linguistically, however, it cannot be a called a walloon dialect, because of its entirely Germanic, transitional Low Franconian / Middle Low German nature. It forms the northwestern border of Ripuarian and the southeastern of Meuse-Rhenish or [francique rhéno-mosan] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) in Belgium.

Southeast Limburgish

Southeast Limburgish (Dutch: Zuidoost-Limburgs), as spoken around Kerkrade, Bocholtz and Vaals in the Netherlands, Aachen in Germany and Raeren and Eynatten in Belgium, also shows the gradual transition from Limburgish towards Ripuarian. It is adjacent to the southeastern border of the Meuse-Rhenish language area, and is related to Southern Meuse-Rhenish. Limburgish straddles the borderline between Low Franconian and West Central German varieties. They are more-or-less mutually intelligible with the Ripuarian dialects, but show fewer 'High German shifts' (R. Hahn 2001).

Dialects belonging to the Ripuarian group almost always call themselves Platt like Öcher Platt (of Aachen) or Eischwiele Platt (of Eschweiler). The reason behind this is, that most of the far more than hundred Ripuarian dialects are bound to a village or municipality. Usually there are small distinctive differences between neighboring dialects, and increasingly bigger ones between the more distant ones. These are described by a set of isoglosses called the 'Rhenish fan' (Rheinischer Fächer in linguistics). The way someone talks, even if he is not using Ripuarian, quite often allows to trace him precisely to a village or city quarter where he learned to speak.

According to a contemporary vision, all varieties in a wider half circle some 15–20 km around Aachen, including two-thirds of Dutch South Limburg and also the Low Dietsch area between Voeren and Eupen in Belgium, can be taken as a group of its own, which recently has been named Limburgish of the Three Countries Area (Dutch: Drielandenlimburgs, German: Dreiländerplatt), referring to the place where the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany meet. Its concept was introduced by Ad Welschen (2005), mainly based on research by Jean Frins. This variety still possesses interesting syntactic idiosyncrasies, probably dating from the period in which the old Duchy of Limburg existed.

Classification

References

  • Ad Welschen, 2000-2005: Course Dutch Society and Culture, International School for Humanities and Social Studies ISHSS, Universiteit van Amsterdam.

See also

External links