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July 8

Deleting User Pages

Can we delete user pages or only articles? I'm asking because I found one (User:Taj international) that seems to just be an advert for a head shop. Smart194 18:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

This is discussed at Wikipedia:Deletion policy. The first line of action is to discuss the problem with the user as they may be willing to correct any problems once you explain your view point. If after discussing the situation the problem isn't resolved, you can list the page at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. Road Wizard 19:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

How to suggest articles to merge

I was wondering how to merge articles. I was just surfing through and noticed that there are pages for Conte Forum and Kelley Rink. The problem being, it's the same building. Not only that, but it looks like the text is an exact copy in both articles. So how do I tag these pages for the "suggest a merger" line? ToddC4176

Please consult WP:MM for more information. --WinHunter ^(talk) 01:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They actually are separate, and different, articles. Kelley Rink is a redirect to Conte Forum, so any time you load the page Kelley Rink you automaticly go to Conte Forum. To see the real content of Kelley Rink go here. The way you would suggest articles to be merged is adding {{mergeto|article to merge to}} or {{mergefrom|article to merge from}} to the top of the articles, or just merge them yourself. You should generally bring the merge up on the talk page before you merge the pages however. In the instance of Conte Forum and Kelley Rink there is no need for any action. Prodego ^talk 01:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

tennis player top 200 ranking by year

I WANT TO SEE THE TOP 200 TENNIS PLAYERS RANKED BY YEAR FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS

• Please feel free to create this article. — Reinyday, 05:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Your capitals come over as SHOUTING (and a Please would have been nice!) - Adrian Pingstone 18:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Are Wikipedia usage explanations bundled anywhere?

I would like to read the main Wikipedia site info offline. I do not have internet at home right now, and there are more pages of Editing instructions and FAQs and so on than I have time to go through at any one time on-line.

Can these main pages be bundled (e.g. zipped) and placed somewhere easy for users in my predicament to trip over and download? (If such exists already, sorry I haven't tripped over it yet--maybe because I haven't much time online?) Thanks. 70.173.184.136 01:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

There are static versions of Wikipedia. For article content only (images, templates, and articles as of June 19 2006) you can download this. Note however this file is extremely large, 1.4 gigabites compressed. Also, the history is not included, so if an article happened to be vandalized when dumped, you are out of luck. You can download it with history, but that is an understandably huge file, so I would not recommend doing that. Prodego ^talk 01:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Wait, do you want the Help and Wikipedia namespaces, not the articles? I can't quite tell from your question. Prodego ^talk 01:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, (s)he would like to read the help files ("Editing instructions and FAQs") offline. I don't know if they are available for download, but it's a great idea. — Reinyday, 05:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I should have emphasized that it is the Help pages I am particularly interested in, those About wikipedia, including all the pages on wiki LaTeX and reporting vandalism and so on. Having those would make my time online with wiki more efficient. Thanks, though, for the note on the more complete compressed archive (is that link also noted in one of what would be called the Help pages?).--70.173.184.136 21:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The information about this is at Wikipedia:Database download. However I do not believe there is a downloadable version of the Help pages. You could manually save them, and read them like that, I suppose. Prodego ^talk 22:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright issue on website photo

Hi, I've been helping a newbie contribute to the page Ioka, there is a transcript of the discussion on the talk page. I think that he/she is genuine in their attempts to improve the article that they have made. They have uploaded a photo [1] to illustrate the article, which they have taken from the website of the subject of the article (a nightclub) but have not asked permission. It is my understanding that we generally assume that photos from websites are covered by copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise - the user has put the uncertain copyright tag onto the photo as a stopgap. Please could somebody have a look at the discussion and make sure that I have been passing on corrct information? I also don't know how to tag the photo in its current condition (this is the first time that I have had to deal with a photo copyright and i would appreciate some help/links the help me better deal with these problems in future. Many thanx Mammal4 09:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Left note on user's talk and one on the license section of the image in question. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Newb with one more question

Thanks for the reply above, MGM. I honestly looked and could not find how to reply to one of these discussion sections so it comes out all nice and nested and such. After you hit the edit button what do you do? (I did find out about the four tilda thing while looking for it though) BigDon 12:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Just click the edit link of the section you want to edit (it's at the top of the section) and tag your comment to the end. To make them bulletted or indented, use * or : respectively. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Adding fansite

Hello,

I want to add my website to The Sims 2 page, fansites part. When i add, its become deleted later. How can i add my www.simaniac.com website to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sims_2

Gurkan Ezerce www.simaniac.com

Thanks.

Adding your own sites to wikipedia is generally considered WP:Spam. The best way to gain acceptance for your site is to go to the discussion page for the relevant topic and propose it there. If accepted as having useful content, the site will be added by other editors -- Lost 12:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and we do not aim to link every single fansite on articles. Please see Wikipedia:External links and WP:SPAM for guidance. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Mysterious category appearance

Hi. I've been working on cleaning up Category:Geography. It has several articles related to Ontario that should be only in subcategories, not the main category. But when I open the articles to edit, I can't see any "Category:Geography" to delete. I considered asking about this at a category page, but there seems to be more traffic here. Maurreen 17:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I took a look at the Clarington, Ontario page and spotted the category had been added during this edit. It appears to be a side effect of using the {{Location grid}} template, which was created by Raccoon Fox. You might want to check with that editor as to why they have included the category in the template. It is possible they just forgot to use the <noinclude> and </noinclude> tags. Road Wizard 17:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Maurreen 17:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Tim Hayes

Listened this AM and would like to know what times he is on!!! Thanks,

This desk focuses mostly on answering questions about Wikipedia. You'll probably have more luck if you repost this question over on the Reference Desk. You may also want to specify what country you're in, and what station you were listening to (if you can remember.) GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 15:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Made a slight adjustment in your answer. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Rotating barnstar

How did Trainspotter get that barnstar to spin? GangstaEB 15:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you specify which barnstar you are referring to? Thanks. Road Wizard 17:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Probably the tireless contributor's barnstar. It's a gif animation. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-linking dates

What is current policy/consensus on linking dates that are mentioned in an article? Suppose I am creating a new biographical article with birth and death dates: "John Smith (January 22, 1900 - December 10, 1980)". Should I create a link for "1900" and "1980? How about for "January 22" and "December 10". The argument I can think of in favor of these links is that everything is connected to everything else and that one should be able to hop all over the place easily, especially to the year, which is probably a more substantive link to the article-content that the month/day date. The argument against these links would be that they aren't likely to bring a reader to anything relevant to the subject of the article and unnecessary links can be distracting. I've seen similar articles created both with and without this type of links. To this point I have been including all the links but I will creating some new bios in the next few days and want to get it right. What is the present community thinking on this? Newyorkbrad 17:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you should. Jacek Kendysz 17:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Read more: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death

Loose years should rarely be wikified (unless the year is particularly relevant). Full dates should be wikified by wikifying the date and the year separately. This allows the preferences with regard to the date's format for users to kick in. So you should do this: "John Smith (January 22, 1900 - December 10, 1980)." - Mgm|^(talk) 17:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's consistent with how I've been handling, your quick confirmations appreciated.

British IDBD equivalent.

Occasionally, I've tried finding information on British theatre actors, but neither IMDB nor IBDB is really helpful in that regard. Can anyone recommend a source that is the British equivalent of IBDB? - Mgm|^(talk) 17:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You might get a better answer at the reference desk, but two places that you could try are the British Actors & Actresses Webring and Theatre, Musicals & Actors (UK webpage). Road Wizard 19:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• I figured it was a referencing question... Anyway, I'll give those a try. Thanks. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
• Hmmm, not exactly the big database I was hoping for. Any other ideas? - Mgm|^(talk) 20:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not aware of any big database sites. However, someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre may be able to help. Road Wizard 22:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

• Good idea. I've dropped them a note. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Images and line spacing

Can anyone give me any tips on how I can prevent the increased spacing between lines when I include inline images? Please look at the introduction on my user talk page if you want an example. I know about HTML and simple CSS. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 21:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Never mind ... I've done a workaround. Andrew (My talk · World Cup) 22:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

How can I end an edit war I'm not "fighting" in?

I’ve been witnessing an edit war in Firebender, and I’m not sure what to do at this point. Specifically, the war is over in what episode the first use of “Blue Fire” in Avatar: The Last Airbender took place. Parties keep changing the episode given. At first, I asked on the talk page that the war stop and a source of information on the subject be consulted. This was ignored, so I suggested dispute resolution, which one side ignored and the other declared he would not peruse. I then added the Disputed Assertion template, which was subsequently removed by one of the parties.

Since the parties will not engage in resolution at all, I’m at a loss as to what action to take to end the war. I’ve considered asking for page protection, but seems like such a large step that I’d like to know if there is anything else I can do.--Fyre2387 23:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Taking a quick look at the article history, there has been at least one breach of the 3 revert rule by 24.205.79.223 (talk · contribs) (over 2nd and 3rd July) and the other editors are definitely walking on the edge of a breach if they haven't yet broken it. As suggested on the 3RR page you should take the breach by 24.205.79.223 to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR page and at the same time ask the administrators to look at the other editors' history. Hopefully administrator intervention will make them see reason and agree a consensus. Road Wizard 23:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

A small correction, the editor switched to 24.205.142.210 (talk · contribs) before carrying out the 4th edit. Road Wizard 23:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an official help-desker or anything, and I don't know if other users are supposed to post comments here, so someone delete this if it doesn't belong. But without superseding any "quasi-official" advice, if you are knowledgeable about the subject of the dispute, it seems to me the thing to do is to post the correct answer with a specific citation to an authoritative reference work on Firebender, if there is one. Newyorkbrad 00:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the help desk team! We don't have any rules about who can post an answer, so your comment is welcome. If you feel you can help someone else, just post away. :) Road Wizard 00:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

July 9

forgot password

Iforgot my password, and the e-mail address that I originally used is no longer active. Is the e any way to change my registered e-mail address? My username is MikeF

Thank-you

You will need to create a new account. --Hetar 00:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Main Page Toolbox

What is the purpose of the "Permanent Link" selection in the main page toolbox. It apparently does nothing when I click on it.--70.175.29.112 00:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)Ron

When you click on this link you should notice that the URL in your browser changes. The Permanent Link feature is normally used for people who are using Wikipedia for research purposes, and want to cite a specific version of an article. That way, when people reading their papers come along and follow their references, they will get the exact same version of the article that the original researcher referenced. --Hetar 00:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

How to make narrow columns in tables?

I'm not sure if Village Pump: Technical would be a better place to ask, but here goes...

I'm trying to make a table with narrow columns, on the order of 30-60 pixels wide. There seems to be a minimum width of around 100px. I've tried the tricks I can think of, like setting a width for the whole table, using width="*" or width="auto" on the columns I want to narrow, removing the width specs entirely for those columns. No way could I get below about 100px.

I've checked the help pages, especially Help:table, and looked at the FAQs. No answers there. I guess it's time to escalate.

TIA. --Chris 04:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Like this?

A b c d e f g	a b c d e f g
1 2 3 4 5 6	0 9 8 7 7 7

--Max Talk (add) 04:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

???

How do I view messages that I left other people on their talk pages? Rawisrob 04:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest visiting the respective talk pages. If you don't remember the users, you could try looking over your contributions (click on the link that says "my contributions" on the top right of the page. --Hetar 04:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

edit conflict:An easy way to do so would be to click "my contributions" at the top right of the page. Then click on the relevant contribution. You should reach there. Normally, if you are conversting with a user, its better to add him/her to your watchlist, so that you know if he/she answers on that page instead of yours -- Lost 04:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: Thanks but I think I did that before with no luck.

I checked your contributions. You dont seem to have left any message to any user -- Lost 04:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

• You probably did that when you weren't logged in. Try tracking down the IP address you used and visit the contributions of that IP. Or if you remember the name of one of the users, try if you can find your IP in their history. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Corbis Stock Images and Wikipedia

I am a reasonably experience Wikipedian and recently I came across http://pro.corbis.com/ which i am sure you are all familiar with. It is a stock image resource so to speak. Does, and if not; why doesn't, Wikipedia have a subscription to this site and their stock images. If this was possible on a technical and legal basis then Corbis would surely be an indespensable resource for Wikipedia articles. I'm sure there are a number of reasons why there has not been a partnership between Wikipedia and Corbis but could someone, everyone, please message me back about this.

I posted this because I thought that maybe this has just gone as an unnoticed opportunity. :) --Alexbonaro 05:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

It would make absolutely no sense for us to pay for a subscription to Corbis while we have hundreds of users around the world who constantly provide us with "royalty free" (ie pd or no rights reserved) images on a regular basis. Some of these photographers are very good too (such as Fir0002 and Nilington). It's kind of part of the Wikipedia philosophy, we rely on volunteer contributors to create all of our material, pictures, articles, and even the software that our Wiki runs on. --Hetar 05:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I would add that all images on Wikipedia are licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License, or so I understand, and thus available for free reuse in compliance with that license. If Wikipedia licensed images from Corbis, that license would be for Wikipedia to use Corbis' copyrighted material, but since Wikipedia wouldn't own the license but simply be a licensee, it could not, in turn, grant free distribution to users, so I don't see how it could work. There have been discussion in the past of whether Corbis has the right to the copyright of some of the images it claims ownership over. You might find the following discussions interesting: here and here (go to the section titled "Use of pre-1923 "copyrighted" stock images" in the latter one; I couldn't link directly).--Fuhghettaboutit 05:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Funniest vandalised page wiki?

there was a wiki page on the funniest vandalised pages once, but I can't for the life of me find it. is it still around?

You might be thinking of WP:BJAODN. For some simillar stuff check out m:Category:Humor and Uncyclopedia. --Hetar 05:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

that was it, thanks.

How do I create a new page?

Thanks.

See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. You might also take a run through the Wikipedia:Tutorial which will answer many questions about editing on Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit 06:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Moon craters.

Are all the craters on the moon ancient or is the moon still subject to recent bombardment? If so, do astronomers see such 'strikes' taking place and how frequently? Are new craters being formed and mapped?

Sabaco 07:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk would be the right place to ask such questions. This helpdesk is for questions regarding wikipedia only -- Lost 07:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

translation and communication

I've been around a while but am still a little confused about talk pages. I've made some posts and had no replies and was wondering how to get attention. I want to request a translation from another language article similar to one I've created in wiki to put into english (eg. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vic_Lockman), and want to know if I'm on the right track with List of web development companies - I think it's been deleted before and am unsure of the article worthyness. I've put comments on discussion and talk pages but dont seem to be getting too much response. Is there some kind of help or respond tag that I can write to get attention? Peter 10:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the list, I just went through it and its a rather indiscriminate collection of websites. If such a list were to be made comprehensive, it would consist of more than thousands of entries from all over the world. Thats the reason, it keeps getting deleted. It would be better to create a category and add the category to companies that are notable enough to merit an article on wikipedia. In my opinion, this list is likely to get WP:PRODDED again, unless you can give a good argument on why it should be considered encyclopedic. Also see here for more info -- Lost 10:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

... and, directly answering your question, if you put {{helpme}}, followed by a question, on your talk page someone will likely drop by and respond. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, you can request Translations Into English via WP:TIE. --Mathew5000 07:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Schools

Is there a notability guideline similar to WP:BIO for middle schools, high schools, etc? If so, I can't find it. --Brian G 12:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, read WP:SCHOOL. Jacek Kendysz 12:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Question about article disambiguation

Articles about things named "uniq" are getting hard to manage. Currently we have uniq about the Unix command, UNIQ about the nightclub in Helsinki, and UniQ about the New Zealand LGBT students' association. We also have ugli fruit about the uniq fruit. How should these be organised? JIP | Talk 16:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

• The dab notices on the articles work for me. They really are "unique" and the people that don't capitalize properly are easily redirected to the proper article. I would keep things as is unless more articles with the name drop in. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... it does seem appropriate for a disambiguation page, though. Disambiguation pages cover all capitalizations, so it would work out fine. I don't mind making it, unless there is some disagreement. The disambiguation links do work, but they should really only link to one article. -- Natalya 17:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't disagree, as long as it is just one disambiguation at Uniq (disambiguation). - Mgm|^(talk) 18:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Done! I've fixed all the respective links. -- Natalya 00:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Page History

If you are logged on and have set your time zone to a different zone than UTC/GMT, then will the times in history pages be displayed be in your time zone or in UTC/GMT? --Yanwen 18:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Its showing in the local time zone for me -- Lost 18:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Per Help:Preferences#Time zone, your time zone is used for the "last modified" time (shown on every page) as well as a variety of other contexts, including history pages. One place your time zone is not used is on pages where the time is created from your signature (using ~~~~), like this one. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Starting a new page

How do I start a new page? I would like to write a piece on a singer, Mat Tanner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedbull2002 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

You should read Help:Starting a new page. See also Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Jacek Kendysz 22:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

July 10

With whom should I discuss an important copyright question?

I have an important copyright question whose answer I have not encountered in any of the vast documentation that Wikipedia has on copyright issues. This question is rather important and general so, once it is answered, it should somehow be put into Wikipedia's copyright documentation.

With whom should I discuss this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vincent Ree (talk • contribs) 00:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you can try here :-) --Sam Blanning^(talk) 00:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. I'll state the question hypothetically:

Suppose some material is copyrighted by an entity (person, company, nation, etc.) which no longer exists. More to the point, that entity cannot give nor deny permission to use their copyrighted material. In that case, it is not possible to solicit permission to use the copyrighted material. Does that material fall into the public domain? Can that material still be used in Wikipedia?

I realize sometimes copyright ownerships may be transferred - for instance, some artists work then becomes property of their estate. However, there may be other cases when either there is no transfer of copyright ownership or new copyright ownership is unknown.

Here's an example: Suppose you wish to use an image in an Wikipedia article and that the copyright for that image originally belonged to a magazine or newspaper that has ceased publication. In that case, it may not be possible (or, at least, it may be very difficult) to track down the new owner of the copyright (assuming one even exists!) to ask permission to use the image. Can that image be used in Wikipedia?

Unfortunately the answer is no, that image would be an example of orphaned works. See also here for a recent discussion on that. Garion96 (talk) 01:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned Pages

I trying to find the definition of Wikipedia "Orphaned Pages". I haven't had any luck in my search so far... so I thought I would ask here. Wouldn't it be simpler to add a brief explanation to the heading of the Orphaned Pages list..? Thanks in advance--Dogfish 01:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

"A page with no links from other pages." See also Wikipedia:Orphan. Garion96 (talk) 01:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

date of a ballgame between the clevelad indians and the st louis browns going about 19 inings in the early 1950s

what was the date of the ball game. e-mail removed --67.38.250.174 02:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Garion96 (talk) 02:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

List of copy-editors

Is there a list of people who volunteer as copy-editors?

I would like to contribute to Wikipedia, but I am not much good for adding content, however I have experience in proof-reading and editing and would like to help. I have been doing so randomly as I access pages but I was wondering if there is a list or some other feature where you can put your name down as a volunteer copy-editor for articles that really need help, or that are nominated for feature article, or part of a WikiProject etc. JenLouise 03:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The first thing which comes to mind is Category:Articles that need to be wikified which has a huge backlog. Although they are probably more projects needing copy editors. Garion96 (talk) 03:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Cleanup is another good place to start. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Or if you want to work on articles that are already a bit more polished, but that need just a little extra, try Wikipedia:Peer review. There's a need for a lot of good editors there. Titoxd^(?!?) 07:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You can also look at the lists on Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit - there are hundreds to choose from. Intensify 12:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

nomination for deletion snafu?

I am fairly new to Wikipedia, but today decided that I understand it well enough to nominate an article for deletion. I began to follow the process as described on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, but encountered a problem. When I went to edit the deletion discussion page, I found that it had already been created. The article had been previously nominated for deletion, and the result was DELETE. Apparently someone recreated the page, possibly with some new content, but the deletion discussion page still exists, with a note instructing me not to edit it. My question is, should I ignore the note and begin to edit the deletion discussion page as instructed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, or leave it as is? The article in question is Michael Lorenzen. Rlitwin 04:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Use the "Move" button at the top of the page, to move whatever discussion there is to something like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Lorenzen (first nomination) and then continue with your nomination as usual. Add a link pointing to the first nomination in the new discussion. - Mgm|^(talk) 04:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you are looking at an archived discussion. You would need to nominate an article for deletion on the article page itself, not on the talk page. Please let me know if you need more clarity -- Lost 04:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Update: The article in question was created in July 2005. Can you give a link for where it has already been decided to be deleted- Lost 04:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Mgm. I moved the prior discussion to a new location as you suggested and linked to it from the deletion discussion page, and created a new deletion discussion page based on the new nomination. Rlitwin 04:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

My preferred method is to use {{afdx|second}}, which uses {{afdx}} to create the nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wherever (second nomination). You can replace 'second' with 'third', 'fourth' etc. as needed. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 09:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Advertisements or not?

Hi! Sorry...I'm not too knowledgeable on Wikipedia procedures, but I noticed that user Gigmasters has been essentially adding advertisement for itself and its founder to several articles this evening. I'm not sure how this should be handled, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks! WildCowboy 04:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a guideline about WP:SPAM. You may like to go through it -- Lost 04:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Try if it fitst speedy deletion criteria and tag his new articles if they fit, or submit them to WP:AFD. Any ads in existing articles should be reverted. - Mgm|^(talk) 04:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Images from IMDB

Hello. I was looking at the article for Hans Zimmer and I noticed that an image was requested. I look on the Internet Movie Database and there is a picture of him there. I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any copyrights on that. I wanted to use it for the article, but I don't want to break any rules. Thank you. --kralahome 05:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Unless stated otherwise, any picture has copyright. If it has no notice to inform you of that fact, it is still copyrighted. - 131.211.210.10 07:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Vacation for my parents

I am just wondering what ferry or bus I take from maine to get there. I want my parents to have a wonderful vacation. Please let me know if this is the wrong part of nova schochia. Sorry if spelled wrong. I live in New Bedford Ma.Please let me know. <contact info removed>

Sincerely Kendra

Sorry, this help desk is for questions pertaining to wikipedia only. Normally, other questions may be answered at WP:Reference desk. You may try there -- Lost 07:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Name conflict for image between wikipedia & commons

I want to use a file from the Commons named "Image:Arbelos.png" [2]. However, when I attempt it, I get instead a different image on Wikipedia with the same name, "Image:Arbelos.png" [3]. Obviously I could just copy the Commons image onto Wikipedia with a different name, or I could duplicate it on the Commons with a different name. But is there some more elegant solution? I have searched through various FAQs and tutorials but have not found an answer. Thanks!--Mathew5000 08:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No, there is no way to access it if an indentically named file exists locally (which is one of the reasons uploaders are encouraged to use specific filenames). I'd recommend re-uploading it to Commons with a unique filename. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I will. --Mathew5000 09:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Trace a user

Hi there,

Somebody has written a scandalous information (obviously wrong information) about my website.

I was wondering if there is a way to trace that user's id and IP address or other details.

Thanks a lot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tta013 (talk • contribs) 10:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What's the name of the article? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

i want to listen to the musiiiiiiic

hello, is it possible to listen to the music here and how shall i do it?

• There's a list of uploaded music files to Wikipedia:Sound/list/playlist, but remember that Wikipedia's main aim is to write an encyclopedia. Recent music is copyrighted, so for any music created after 1923, we can only give you short clips. If you want classical music, though, that list should have some nice songs on it. - 131.211.210.10 12:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

naniko

does anybody see me? if so please answer my question abovee plzzzzzzzzzzzz

• Please be patient. Questions aren't answered immediately. A real person has to see it and be willing (and knowing enough) to answer. - 131.211.210.10 12:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Kalidas Roy

I have edited the page on Kalids Roy. This includes correction of the year of his death from 1960 to 1975. This article has been said to be a stub. In case it is felt that the additions made now are adequate, please remove the word stub -Biswa roop 13:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion Kalidas Roy should remain with stubs templates. Jacek Kendysz 13:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• The name stub has nothing to do with the quality of the information. Stubs are small articles which lack basic content. See WP:STUB. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

pledgerism

how can I seek feedback on my content?--Mimilk 14:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• What kind of content would that be and what is pledgerism? You might mean plagiarism, but I'm not sure how that has anything to do with your question. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

world

DEAR SIR OR MADAM: I am here by asking my question is that how many countries do make up awhole world? thanx 4 ure answer--81.199.17.19 14:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It depends on how and who is doing the defining. Numbers vary between 189 -194 with 192 apparently being the number most commonly assigned by word almanacs. By the way, this page is for asking question about Wikipedia. For future knowldge question pleae consult the Reference desk.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Read List of countries. In the future, remember that knowledge questions should be asked on Reference Desk. Jacek Kendysz 14:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Rubbish with big size

There're lots of vandals submiting rubbish in new articles or in existing ones. Their actions are reverted or deleted, by they still remain in database, don't they? I assume so, because admins can undelete pages and browse deleted pages and they must be saved somewhere! It's really easy to paste several megabytes of rubbish and fill space of Wikimedia memory, so that servers work badly. How can we manage with that? Paweł ze Szczecina 14:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It's certainly the case that all the rubbish is kept, and that the database gets bigger. But why do you believe that this makes the servers work badly? Notinasnaid 16:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• I think that keeping it around, means we can track such vandals more easily. Imagine how hard it would be to investigate a vandal's history if those edits were not saved. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• I'm no technician, but if you tried to spam Wikipedia's servers with crap, I would have thought that your connection would give out before ours. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 23:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

China

Management of organizations

There is no question here. Do you have a question? Note that this help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. If your question is a knowledge question, please consult the Reference Desk.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

CONSTRUCTION OF COW MILK

SIR/MADAM I'M TRYING TO FIND-OUT Re: " CONSTRUCTION OR CONTENTS OF COW MILK" ? PLEASE ADVISE ME : e MAIL:- (email removed to prevent spam) THANKS, FURY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.74.198 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. Jacek Kendysz 15:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Or just go read Milk? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Changing an entry

HI I work at Elephant and Castle and have seen that the entry (although very good) is somewhat out of date. How can we edit it, if at all please? Thanks

Farnaz

<email removed>

Hi and welcome to wikipedia. Just look for the edit button at the top of the page and start off. Though its not necessary to have a login id, you can do many more useful things if you have one. Please also see the welcome message on your ip's talk page -- Lost 16:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• While you edit, please make sure you do not WP:SPAM and DO adhere to the NPOV policy. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Metoprolol

I understand this drug given for high blood pressure works on the lower blood pressure number. I also take lisinopril for the upper blood pressure number. Is there any possibility that Metoprolol affects the lisinopril, e.g. causing the lisinopril to have a lesser affect on the upper number? Likewise, since I've been using metoprolol my cholesterol count has gone up. Could this in any way be caused by the metoprolol? For example, I also take lipitor for cholesterol control; could the metoprolol affect the lipitor? Lastly, I am diabetic, and since I've been using metoprolol it seems my blood sugars have been higher than usual. Any possibility metoprolol is affecting my blood sugars?--4.240.27.51 16:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 16:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• That said, Wikipedia is not the best place to ask medical advice. It's best to ask your doctor who knows all there is to know about your health. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Making Articles Come up with Searches

Hi,

I am a new user of Wikipedia and I recently submitted what I think is a worthwhile contribution to the database, partly as a test of how submitting articles works. I intend to expand the article and create others once I have a mastery of the system, but first Ihave encountereda few problems:

1.) I recently submitted an article entitled "Jerome Silbergeld," about one of the foremost scholars of Chinese painting in the U.S. While this article comes up under searches for "Jerome silbergeld," it does not come up under searches for "Silbergeld." Yet many other biographies do come up when one searches just for the last name of the individual...How can I make this article easier to find?

A second question:

2.) Writings by Jerome Silbergeld are referenced on several other pages, including on the page about Chinese artist Gong Xian. I tried to create links from these references to the Jerome SIlbergeld article, but wikipedia claims there is no article with that name...I think this is because on the Gong Xian page he is called "Silbergeld, Jerome"...how do I create a link so Wikipedia can direct people to the Silbergeld page if they are interested after looking at his work on Gong Xian?

Thanks for all your help.

Chironares 16:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• The search index the Wikipedia search system uses is not updated immediately, so it'll take some time for the article to show up in searches. If you want to link the name in the other article, try using piped links. I'm guessing the name is written as "Silbergeld, Jerome" because it is a requirement for the reference format used. Piped links mean you can show different text to show instead of the title of the article you're linking to. In your case that would be [[Jerome Silbergeld|Silbergeld, Jerome]]. Hope that helps. - Mgm|^(talk) 17:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The following was mistakenly placed at Making Articles Come Up On More Searches, which I have now deleted. I think it belongs here – Gurch 18:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi MGM, thanks for your help on my questions earlier. You have fully clarified the issue of how to get other pages to link to articles with different titles by using piped links, and that is extremely helpful. However, I still am a little unclear on searching. My article is now visible on Wikipedia when I search for "Jerome Silbergeld." Therefore, it doesn't seem that the problem is that the databse hasn't been updated. When I search for "Silbergeld" on the other hand, the article does not come up, though several articles on Chinese painters that refer to him do come up. Moreover, when I type "wiki silbergeld" into google, or even "wiki jerome silbergeld," articles on Chinese painters that reference silbergeld come up, but my article about him does not...do you have advise on making this more accessible to searches, both internal searches on wikipedia, and external searches where people type “wiki” and a key word?

Thanks again

Chironares 17:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Answered at user's talk. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

submitting information

Greetings --

I would like to submit to Wikipedia the biography of Mr. Charles N. Kahn III, President of the Federation of American Hospitals. Would you provide me with a link or URL to do so? Thanks.

-- ((Personal contact information removed by User:LtPowers))

Hi, if you want to start an article, all you need to do is get a user id by signing up. However, please be sure that it meets the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (people) otherwise it will get deleted. -- Lost 18:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Getting Articles to appear in Searches

Hi, please see my question just above, along with the explanation of my position in the first paragraph of the posting "Making Articles Come up with Searches."

Also, could you please respond on my talk page, as I am still a little unsure how to navigate wikipedia...

Thank you MGM for your earlier help. You have fully clarified the issue of how to get other pages to link to articles with different titles by using piped links, and that is extremely helpful. However, if you or anyone else could clarfiy this issue of searching for me I would appreciate it.

thanksChironares 18:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Answered on his talk page. P.S. If you hit the edit link next to the section title for you previous question, you can tag your response to the end of it, so you can keep the discussion in one spot. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Online status traffic light images

Some users have their online/offline status on their userpages shown as a traffic light image - there are three images, one shows red for offline (I think the accompanying text says 'IN'), one shows amber for busy, and one green for online ('OUT'). Unfortunately I can't remember any of these userpages to find the images. Does anyone know what their filenames are? Also, I know I've seen versions with the accompanying text ('IN', 'BUSY' (?), 'OUT'), but are there images of just the traffic lights, sans text, anywhere? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 23:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

This page has the range of them, as well as information about using them.--Ali K 00:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've also got a version at User:GeorgeMoney/StatusDiv, which has an LED type status indicator. GeorgeMoney ^(talk) 00:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Topaz made a very useful script to automatically change your status, see User:Topaz/Wikiscripts. It can add to either a box below your toolbox or your top bar (default). Check it out. Prodego ^talk 02:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 10:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

disambiguation page

Hi, I was looking at the article Asian fetish and it seems that at three of the four disambiguation items (the cocktail, the band and the magazine) on there would satisfy WP:AFD criteria. However, the ones on there that satisfy the criteria are redlinked.

Should the disambig page be afd'd anyway? If three of the four articles are not valid the only one left should not be a disambiguation. --ColourBurst 04:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Redlinks do not belong on disambiguation pages. I would simply move Asian fetish (sexual) back to Asian fetish and not bother with AFD. This is something that can be solved by editing instead of deletion. - Mgm|^(talk) 04:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
  • While I could do that, that doesn't solve the problem. Asian fetish is currently a redirect to Asian fetish (disambiguation), the disambiguation page would still be there. --ColourBurst 04:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Just have the disambiguation page speedy deleted. Disambiguating between non-existing articles is grounds for speedy deletion. In fact, let me do that now. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• So, how does it look now? :) Mgm|^(talk) 07:59, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Cool, thanks :D --ColourBurst 15:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

IPA font

Hello. When I look at Wikipedia articles, most of the text is easy to read, in a nice-size Arial font. But IPA pronunciations are not so clear. They show up in a very light serif font, and some of the strokes are so thin that they disappear. Is there any way to change the way IPA text is displayed? — Michael J 05:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I also wanted to ask this one. Someone added the IPA to Shimla, and now I see two boxes and a couple of incoherent letters. Is it something with my pc or should I just revert? -- Lost 15:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

July 11

Can't reduce the height of table rows

Here is an example of a table I'm trying to build:

Author's name
First Series:	Book 1 (1991) | Book 2 (1992) | Book 3 (1981)
Second Series:	Book 1 (1980) | Book 2 (1982) | Book 3 (1983)
Third Series:	Book 1 (1980) | Book 2 (1982) | Book 3 (1983)

Because I'm using <small> text, I want to reduce the gaps between the rows, but I can't get the row height below about 20px. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks. --Bruce1ee 06:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't do it by setting table parameters, but I solved the problem using simple line breaks:

<br style="clear: both;" />
{| align="center" class="toccolours" style="margin:0 auto; text-align: center; width: 40%;"
! style="background: #6699CC; font-size:larger;" colspan="2" | Author's name
|- style="font-size:smaller;text-align:left;" valign="top"
| width="25%" height="20px" | 
'''First Series:'''

'''Second Series:'''

'''Third Series:'''
||
''Book 1'' (1991) '''|'''
''Book 2'' (1992) '''|'''
''Book 3'' (1981)

''Book 1'' (1980) '''|'''
''Book 2'' (1982) '''|'''
''Book 3'' (1983)

''Book 1'' (1980) '''|'''
''Book 2'' (1982) '''|'''
''Book 3'' (1983)
|}

which generates

Author's name
First Series: Second Series: Third Series:	Book 1 (1991) | Book 2 (1992) | Book 3 (1981) Book 1 (1980) | Book 2 (1982) | Book 3 (1983) Book 1 (1980) | Book 2 (1982) | Book 3 (1983)

--Schzmo 23:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it worked! Thank you so much for your help. --Bruce1ee 06:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Chronological lists

I've been doing some (unfinished!) work on the article Norwich City player of the year.

It struck me that visitors to the article are more likely to be interested in recent winners than past, so I propose to reorder the list into reverse chronological order.

However, I'm not too excited about the idea that someone may come along and revert my efforts waving a policy I'm not aware of... so my question is, is there a hard and fast Wiki policy that chronological lists need to be ordered from oldest to newest, or can I cut my cloth to suit the (perceived) needs of the article? --Dweller 09:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works) might be of interest to you. Dismas|^(talk) 10:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.

The inactive, proposed addition to the MoS you've pointed me to, says nothing and the Talk page makes it clear there's no consensus. --Dweller 10:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, you asked "is there a hard and fast Wiki policy" and I think that adequately answers the question as "no" :-) --Sam Blanning^(talk) 16:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

technical term

what is the technical tgerm for: 1.star 2.milkyway 3.galaxy 4.lightyear 5.orbit 6.ellipse 7.universe--213.106.248.101 14:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 15:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• What do you mean? As far as I know those are technical terms. At least the official words to describe what they mean... - Mgm|^(talk) 15:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Adding a Category

Hello. I was building a Wikipedia page and my page got deleted because it didn't have a category. How do you add the category to your page? Please send an answer to my User Page.

AmericanXplorer13 15:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Add [[Category:Category name]] to the bottom of the article. I doubt the article was deleted for not having categories, though. It could easily be resolved by adding a category instead of deleting the article. Could you share the article's title? Perhaps it's got other problems. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The forum is Google Earth Community

why won't my article come up when I search for its title?

On July 11, I made an article titled "Men's Health Network," but when I search for that name, my article doesn't come up. My article can be viewed under categories - pages - health - m. Also, after a search for "men's health network" three articles come up, and the second one for "Stephen Baskerville" has a link to my page. Please tell me what I can do to make the article come up directly/independently for the results of a "men's health network." Thanks a lot!

WP:VFAQ#An article doesn't show up in the search. fetofs ^Hello! 18:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia's search database is updated relatively infrequently. Searching via Google (use "site:en.wikipedia.org men's health network") often produces better results. Your article doesn't appear on Google either yet, but their spiders should get to it fairly quickly. You can go to it directly by typing 'Men's Health Network' in our search bar and clicking 'Go' (note: capitalisation matters unless you create redirects), or by typing it directly into your URL bar (look for where it says 'Wikipedia:Help desk', replace that with 'Men's health network', and voila). --Sam Blanning^(talk) 18:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually it does come up when you type "Men’s Health Network'" with a curly apostrophe (’). It doesn't work with the straight typewriter apostrophe ('). It might better to rename the article as "Mens Health Network" despite the imrpoper punctuation to make it easier to locate. --Cplot 18:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, I'd keep the page where it is and add two redirct pages: "Mens Health Network" (no apostrophe) and Men's Health Network" (typewriter apostrophe).

Thank you so much for writing me back so quickly!! I tried to make redirects, like you said, but they're not working for me. I think I'm doing them wrong. At the bottom of my article page I added:

#REDIRECT men's health network 

• From other capitalisation: This is a redirect from a title with another method of capitalisation. It leads to the title in accordance with the Wikipedia naming conventions for capitalisation, or it leads to a title that is associated in some way with the conventional capitalisation of this redirect title. This may help writing, searching and international language issues.
  • If this redirect is an incorrect capitalisation, then {{R from miscapitalisation}} should be used instead, and pages that use this link should be updated to link directly to the target. Miscapitalisations can be tagged in any namespace.
  • Use this rcat to tag only mainspace redirects; when other capitalisations are in other namespaces, use {{R from modification}} instead.

1. REDIRECT mens health network
2. REDIRECT Men's health network
3. REDIRECT Mens health network

Is that the right way to do it? Thanks again!

You have the sense of the redirect backwards. Essentially you need to create new articles with the various spellings you want redirected to your article, i.e. put the text #REDIRECT [[Men’s Health Network]] as the only content in the article Men's Health Network, and Mens Health Network (these two cover all capitalizations when using the Go button). -- Rick Block (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the redirects from the main page (that can be confusing to edit when it keeps redirecting away). I also added the redirect pages which you can get to at:

Men's_Health_Network

Mens_Health_Network

I think the capitalization varions should be covered by this. But if not you can create new ones for those too. --Cplot 19:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Why do so many people want to see their submission picked up by a search engine immediately? Patience is a virtue. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  I think there's confusion between "search" and "go", and what most folks are after is the ability to get to their article by typing something that isn't exactly the full case sensitive title in the search box and clicking "go". I believe having the entry "search box" used for both, and having "go" typically find articles that aren't the exact case sensitive title, and having "go" do a search if it can't find the right article leads many people to think of "go" as essentially the same thing as "search". -- Rick Block (talk) 13:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright status of seals of US counties

Hiya, maybe not the appropriate place for this question, but I'm not too familiar with en:, so bear with me. Does anyone have information or links that can clarify the copyright status of seals of US counties? A lot of seals would be PD-old (maybe with some non-copyright usage restrictions) I guess, nevertheless {{seal}} is used on most of them, which is a fair-use template. Please be so kind as to move my question to a more appropriate page if you know one. If you can answer my question please do so on my talk page. Thanks in advance. NielsFTalk to me.. 21:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

protection

Can just anyone put the {{sprotect}} template on a page or does it have to be an admin? The article for Devon Aoki has been vandalized a number of times recently by different IPs and I was wondering if a peon such as myself could put the template there without the man comin' down on me. Dismas|^(talk) 21:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Anyone can put {{sprotect}} on a page, but it is just a template. To actually protect the page a sysop must go to the protection page, and set the status to "Block new and unregistered users". You should not add the sprotect tag unless the page has been protected (check the Protection log). The vandalism on Devon Aoki is actually pretty minor compared to some other pages, and probably doesn't require protection. Prodego ^talk 21:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Better visit WP:RFP and leave a message there.--Max Talk (add) 21:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 21:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Columns

Hi! Does wikipedia formatting allow columns? Specifically, I'm thinking on a way to translate a passage from a song or a poem in a foreign language next to the original text. Will I need to make a table? Thanks! -- Byakuren 21:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does. See User:Prodego/Policy for an example. Prodego ^talk 21:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I really didn't explain myself clearly. I searched a bit more, and found that what I wanted can be done, as seen in the Italian anthem. Now my new question is this: What's the tutorial page for this kind of formatting? I looked at the code in the "edit" page, and am not sure I fully understand it, and I can't find the help page for that. Thanks, for that super fast reply last time!! -- Byakuren 21:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The help page is at Help:Table. You can find most of the help pages through Help:Contents, if you know what sub menu to look under. Let me know if you need any help, Prodego ^talk 21:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!! -- Byakuren 22:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Adding a link to a corresponding Wikipedia entry in a different language

Stumbling upon the stub of an English-language entry on the «komusō», I tried to edit it by adding a link to the far more extensive Japanese-language entry, in the manner in which corresponding links are made available in other entries, but found myself unable to so, despite some searching in the help section. I may be missing something incredibly obvious here, but I should in any event very much appreciate your informing me how links of this type (to Wikipedia entries «in other languages») can be added to an entry....

Please see Wikipedia:Interlanguage links. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

July 12

How do I change the name of an article?

I found an article on wikipedia that is incorrectly named, and I'm trying to find a way to edit the wrong title to the correct one. Darwin's Bulldog 00:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

If the naming issue is not controversial, just click the "move" tab on the top of the article and follow instructions. --Schzmo 00:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanx, I fixed it. I moved the page called "Blackthorne (comics)" to Blackthorne Publishing. Darwin's Bulldog 06:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Just want to know how to add a photo to an article that already exists in Wikipedia. Looked up some info but could not figure it out. I have a MAC iBook G4 and would be using a photo from my iPhoto library. Any suggestions? thanks for the help.

The technical part is easy: Just go to Special:Upload and fill out all the information. Please make sure you check out the GFDL license and use it if at all possible and applicable. Copyrighted images you don't own the copyright to should be avoided. If you have any questions, we're watching this page. :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Then see Wikipedia:Extended image syntax for how to put the image in the article and set various parameters (size, caption, alignment etc.) --Schzmo 02:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

add a search box on my site?

I saw something in the help archives about a code to place on your external website for a wikipedia search engine, but it had a link that didn't bring me to the code. I'm wondering if there is some code that we can use to paste on a blog or website. Thanks.

Check out [4]. I think that's what you're asking for, since you can't have Wikipedia search your site, but your site can have a searchbox to search Wikipedia. ~Kylu (u|t) 06:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

T-shirts

When will wikipedia T-shirts be available to purchase?

• They already are. See Wikipedia's Cafepress store. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Muhamed Shereef Vallooth

Hi, how could i make a page in Wikipedia

Its very easy. See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Also please see the welcome message on your talk page -- Lost 09:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

INCEST

Can you give solution on incest on how to stop incest.

Well this helpdesk is only for questions pertaining to wikipedia... -- Lost 10:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. --Schzmo 11:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Tell the police. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

undiscoveredscotland.co.uk advertising spamming - please help halt

I've noticed there's 8 pages of hits to undiscoveredscotland.co.uk, 99.9% of which add absolutely no value to the pages where they are found. Instead, it is shameless commercial advertising on the part of an organisation making a profit by redirecting wikipedia traffic to their site. Please remove this spamvertising from the wikipedia, and keep it as a reputable site hosting reference information and not crap like undiscoveredscotland.co.uk has spewed forth!

Hi, Welcome to Wikipedia. As an editor, you can remove these links yourself. Your assistance in ridding Wikipedia of spam would be appreciated. Notinasnaid 12:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Followup: I have tried to edit them, but got a warning that my cleanup efforts were sensed by one or more autobots as being defacement attempts rather than cleanup efforts. Surely there must be some way for a sysop to globally clean those 150-200 spamvert postings they've made...?

This is because you are trying to change them into bad URLs, by adding "censored" or whatever. What you need to do is just delete the entire line entry. It would probably help also if you registered an account, which only takes seconds. Thanks for your attempts! The problem with automating such a process is that you might remove ones that are entirely appropriate, or delete a paragraph with some other significance; each link should usually be checked for context. What would be useful is a built in tool to give Wikipedia pages with a particular site linked. Have you found one? Notinasnaid 12:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Take care not to remove it from the "Resources" section of an item unless you have checked it wasn't used as a source. This is why automation is a problem. Notinasnaid 12:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

If you want help, there are folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam who do just this sort of thing. -- Rick Block (talk) 13:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering....

Hi, I'm new, and I was wondering what the punishments were for some of these (you might be able to tell I'm from GF):

• Trolling/Flaming
• Offensive language
• Hacking accounts

Also, what if an admin does it? What if Jimbo or whatever does it? So, I guess 9 questions. Thx.

For trolling/flaming, first the user will be warned and if s/he doesn't improve, it will lead to a block. Ditto for offensive language. I doubt if there is any punishment for the hacking offender apart from the legal provisions against hacking that exist in most countries. For example if someone hacks, there can't be any online punishment for him as he has nothing to lose. If an admin does any of these, there is a good chance that s/he will be de-sysopped (having his admin status taken away), though s/he would also be warned first. No such provision exists for Jimbo. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Remember that blocks and bans are not meted out as punishment, but to prevent further damage to the encyclopedia and the Wikimedia foundation. Cheers, Tangotango 16:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

By hacking I meant figuring out someone's password and logging in as them.

Renaming Pages

I am considering renaming the article Kitchen Party to Kitchen Party (film), but reading Wikipedia's policies on renaming/moving tells me the OLD page will be a redirect page to the new one. The problem is, I plan on creating a NEW article out of the redirect page (Kitchen Party), discussing the well-known Atlantic Canadian tradition of, obvoiusly, Kitchen Party's. Do I have to keep Kitchen Party as a redirect page? Or can I make it into a new article? Does this make sense? --Crabbyass 14:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that you make the parent page (Kitchen Party) a redirect page, and use parenthesis to distinguish between the different articles. However, you may also keep the current page intact and create a Kitchen Party (disambiguation) page to link to the various articles having the same name. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, but can I have the Kitchen Party page re-direct to a Kitchen Party (disambiguation) page? Or does it HAVE to re-direct to the original article, which was moved to Kitchen Party (film), for record/history/archival purposes?? --Crabbyass 14:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Dont worry, it doesnt have to redirect there. You can even create the disambiguation page on the original article. -Lost 16:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You can, but why waste a page. I would suggest you use Kitchen Party for disambiguation (I mistakenly used the word "redirect" in my previous reply). Though this would be preferable here, articles with a lot of incoming links should preferably not be moved to make way for disambiguation. If you plan to move the current page, fix all broken links to the new location. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How to change language on the site

How to change language on the site —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.52.153.78 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Go to your preferences and change the interface language there. Cheers, Tangotango 16:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How to change Username...

How do I change my username? I don't see an option in "my preferences". Charlenewright 16:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Go here to place your request. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Since you have only one edit other than this, why don't you get a new username altogether. In most cases, just changing the signature is sufficient. For example, you can change your signature to:

Charlene Wright

or whatever you prefer. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, creating a new account would be by far your best solution. My bet is that the process in WP:CHU is not an easy one. Changing just your signature will probably not be satisfactory, since you will still appear in edit histories, etc. with your old name. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Seven wonders of world

seven wonders of world —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kesiv (talk • contribs) 16:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. - Tangotango 16:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In case you want the link to the wonders on wikipedia, here it is - Lost 16:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How do you upload images onto Wikipedia!!!!!

I read the Wikipedia help section but I'm still confused!!!! I don't know what to do on the uploading page!!!! Thanks to anyone taking their time reading this.

User: Himanyo

Just look at the left hand column of the page. Something called toolbox. See the link to upload file there? But after clicking on the link and before uploading the image, please go through what is written very carefully. Copyrighted images are a strict no-no here. Also please go through this link: Wikipedia:Uploading images. All the best and welcome to wikipedia -- Lost 17:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me out Lost. But I have one more question. What do you do on the uploading page?

User: Himanyo

Well, after you have gone through the important messages on the page, just scroll down the page and look for "Source filename". See the "browse" button there? Click on that, point it to the image, fill in the necessary info in the other blanks and click on "upload file". But do go through the link in my previous message before doing all this -- Lost 17:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I went to your username in Wikipedia and at the end I saw all these things about India. Are you Indian because I am. User: Himanyo

I did whatever you told me Lost, but it won't work! How about this: I tell the picture I want to upload and you do it for me. Does that sound okay? User: Himanyo

Yes I am Indian. Ok, can you point me to where the image is. And also the source of the image and whether it is copyrighted or not? -- Lost 18:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool! OK, so I want the picture on the website " http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/mammals/antelope/Bongo.shtml" to be uploaded onto the section of Wikipedia of Bongo (antelope). I'll do the rest. Also I don't know if it is copyrighted or not. Thanks for helping me out.

Just look on the bottom right hand corner of the image. It says copyrighted by ZoomSchool.com. Which means that unless we have their specific approval, we cannot load the image to wikipedia. Sorry -- Lost 19:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I didn't see that. Thanks for telling me. Sorry if I got you into this much trouble just to upload something. Well I just read the Help section more thoroughly and get another picture.

Username: Himanyo

Another tip: a web page doesn't need to have a copyright notice: almost everything is copyright unless it says that it isn't (the magic word is "public domain"). By and large, the only thing you can put on Wikipedia without getting permission is your own photographs (which can then be freely copied and used by anyone else, including sold for money without giving you any). Copyright is a complicated business. Notinasnaid 19:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Just a tip that will save you some time, Himanyo: It looks like you are signing your posts manually, that is by typing out your username. Wikipedia has made it very easy to sign your posts with both your name and the date. Just type four tildes like this: ~~~~ --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · contribs · e@} 19:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization in page title needs correction...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_pullen

How to just capitalize the "P"?

Have you tried moving the page, by clicking the Move tab? --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 19:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I did it for you, but the option to move a page is there by using the Move tab, should you need it in future. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 19:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much - I think my account is too "young" to do the move.

• If you created it, an alternative option is to capitalize it when you name your article the first time. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

How to best handle articles written like ads

Specifically, I'm talking about CHARTrunner. Currently, the article reads like an ad, but a Google search seems to indicate that the software is notable, and the article simply must be rewritten. Since I don't have any knowledge of the subject, I was hoping to find a proper template to tag the article with so someone with more experience may properly rewrite the article. How should I handle this? --Spring Rubber 20:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

For that particular article, I would recommend adding the following templates to the top: {{advert}}, {{uncat}}, and {{wikify}}. :) --Elonka 20:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. That's a lot of templates! I was looking for the {{advert}} template specifically, but I couldn't find it on any of the policy or guideline pages. Was I looking in the wrong place? On another note, it looks like the date for new entries on this help page is still July 11. I take it that the date has to be manually changed? --Spring Rubber 20:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Which policy/guideline pages were you checking? If you think that one of them would benefit by adding a link to the pointer, it's probably worth adding, since it you went there looking for the advert template, other people may have tried the same thing. --Elonka 21:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I visited WP:ADS by simply guessing the abbreviation. I didn't find what I was looking for there (the advert template). Should that template be mentioned on that guideline page, or is there some other policy or guideline page for articles that read like advertisements that I missed? --Spring Rubber 21:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You are probably looking for Wikipedia:Template messages/Maintenance. Though, you are right. It should probably be mentioned on the above page too -- Lost 02:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

help pic

hi i was wondering how do i put a pic on the article of the strahov stadium? i figured since its the world's largest, it deserves one. how do i past a pic on the article and where?

Upload the image, then put in the article [[Image:name of image here.ext|left or right here|thumb|caption goes here]]. If you need more help, as I can imagine that's not very clear, leave me a message on my talk page. --JD[^{don't talk}|_email] 20:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Grave marking industry

Could someone, who knows the procedure, start moves to delete the above article? It's impossible to edit because I have absolutely no idea what it's trying to say! - Adrian Pingstone 21:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

This seems to be an honest attempt to start an article on the occupation and work of what in Britain might be called a "monumental mason". That is, the people who make gravestones (or who take existing stones and write names, epitaphs, or make pictures of angels on them). Much improvement is possible, but seems no reason to delete. Notinasnaid 21:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

There's already an article named Headstone that covers the subject. That said, I think the author may have been trying to emphasize the role of the stonecutter instead of the role of the headstone itself. Also, I think the author isn't a native English speaker. You might want to talk with the author directly (using his talk page) to see if he'd be willing to merge the article in with Headstone. Personally, I don't think the article needs to be deleted, but it needs some work. Putting the {{cleanup}} template on the article might get it some attention. In general, the deletion process is detailed at Wikipedia:Deletion process. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 21:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

seaching for Information

I am a on-line student looking for information on soft drink companys and their history background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.167.226 (talk • contribs) 22:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Start from soft drink article. You can find there suitable links (eg. to soft drink companies). Try also Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Jacek Kendysz 23:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Wikipedia

Hi,

I am considering writing articles in Chinese for wikipedia. But I am curious: does anyone know if the website is blocked or accessible in mainland China (the people's republic)?? Please post to my talk page.

Chironares 23:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

See Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China. Jacek Kendysz 23:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible to add a redirect to category?

Is it possible to assign a category to a redirect page? This could be useful if the redirect was the popular name for something (e.g. an acronym or stage name), but the article content was under another title (e.g. full spelling or real name). The soft redirect might not be appropriate since it would cause the user to click twice through to the main article. --DaSchick 23:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. In the very normal way, just add [[category:whatever]] to the redirect page (keeping #REDIRECT as the first line). -- Rick Block (talk) 01:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

July 13

Minor edit 'what's this link

Hi is there anyway to change the way the "what's this?" link for minor edits on edit pages so that it opens up Help:minor edit in a new window, or at least spatially move it away from the show preview button on the page? If rather than saving your edits and then checking it in the article and having to go back and do multiple edits, you use the show preview button, but accidentally click the what's this? link, you lose every edit that you made on that page since you last clicked show preview. I have done this a number of times after spending between 5 and 20 minutes re-writing or editing pages, and while I'm probably alot more prone than some people I imagine it is a problem that happens quite a bit. JenLouise 00:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

What browser are you using? In Firefox, when I click the 'back' button to go back to an editing window that I haven't saved yet, everything I've done in the edit window is as it is when I left it.

It's a while since I used it to edit Wikipedia, but perhaps you're using Internet Explorer? If I remember correctly it might refuse to let you go back to the edit window once you've clicked 'save preview', because it counts it as a form that's already been submitted and therefore not something you'd want to look at again. There's techinical reasons for this, and they are "IE sucks", "IE sucks" and "IE sucks", in that order. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 00:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

(Alternate solution)I myself face the problem of losing edits often, especially due to edit conflicts. After a lot of heartburn, I have found the best thing to do is to save your edits in shorter intervals so the info lost may not be as much. This may not be the solution you are looking for but does work for me -- Lost 02:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Depending on the time of day, my internet connection can get a bit flaky, and so I've long since taken to the habit of copying to the clipboard the text to the article I'd editing before clicking the "save" button - that way, should something go wrong, I can re-input it without too much trouble. For really long articles or if I'm making a lot of changes, I'll even save a copy as a text file on my desktop - it only takes a second and has saved me many headaches in the past. — QuantumEleven 06:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

All I know is that I use IE, and there has never been such a problem for me - Clicking "Back" always shows all my text right where I put it. Lost: You do know that when an edit conflict occurs, there is a second edit box where your version of the article appears, so you can integrate your changes into the current article, right? In tougher cases, checking the diff of the new edits shouldn't make the integration such a problem. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 08:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

wikipedia mobile

can i get an offline version of wikipedia for a non-connected environment?

PLEASE advise, thanks, Don

You are probably looking for Wapedia -- Lost 01:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Strange centering

The external links toward the bottom of Portal:Judaism/Weekly Torah portion look very off, and I can't figure out how to fix it...? --zenohockey 02:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

They have been centred. Just click on edit the page and you will see the centre syntax. If you remove it, they will show to the left again. Hope this helps. But, whoever centred them may have done so for a reason. You may first like to check on the discussion page of that topic. -- Lost 02:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I assume to set them off from the rest of the page. But even the previous syntax, which to my HTML-untrained eyes looks okay, doesn't explain why the text wasn't actually centered. That's my question (which, to be fair, I didn't really ask). --zenohockey 02:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Is it because of the image? You can try inserting <br clear=all/> before the first one and seeing if it makes a difference in preview. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Am I in trouble?

I have recently been cited with numerous copyright violations, including at least 5 of which I created more than 2 months ago. Most of the one's I created were created a long time ago, and I was shocked to see that they were listed as copyright violations. I gave them the link to the copyrighted site, so I wasn't trying to conceal anything. I greatly apologize for making copyrighted articles, and have tried to fix some of them. However, I am really worried, that I will be in a lot of trouble. What do you think?--Summonmaster13 04:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Relax - you won't be in any trouble, as long as you don't continue posting copyrighted material on the site. Since you seem to realise the gravity of violating copyright, I doubt this will be a problem for you. The copyrighted material you were warned about will likely be deleted in due course. You might also like to go through your past contributions and see if there are any copyrighted materials that have been missed. Also, take a look through Wikipedia:Copyright problems and Wikipedia:Copyrights for more about copyrights. Cheers, Tangotango 05:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) We dont bite the newcomers here. Infact it is strongly discouraged. So dont worry. You are not in trouble. But do go through the copyright policy in detail. Its taken very seriously -- Lost 05:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Userbox...

what's a userbox? ~Sushi 09:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

A userbox is a small coloured box that allows users to add small messages on their user pages. See WP:Userboxes for more detail -- Lost 09:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Category problem

Up until recently, Hoodlums (Rayman)'s only category was "Wikipedia articles with topics of unclear importance". I tried to put it in "Rayman" (a small subcategory of "Ubisoft Entertainment games"), but instead that formatted as just "Category: Ubisoft Entertainment games". Why did this happen, and please can you tell me how to fix it so that it goes in the "Rayman" category? Thanks. RobbieG 10:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It should be [[Category:Rayman]], not {{Category:Rayman}}. Double brackets are for links, double braces are for transcluding templates. I've fixed it. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 10:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, that's also cleared up a confusion for me regarding categories in general. RobbieG 10:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Question

Why is Wikipedia so divided that versions in different languages don't recognize U when U want to log in?--AraX 10:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

They were historically created as independent projects and still function independently (articles in one have no visibility in another). The software (at the time) did not support one wiki with users defined in another one, so here we are. I believe this is being worked on, but it requires changes to the software. -- Rick Block (talk) 14:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thx, got it.--AraX 21:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

"create date" and "first author" variables, templates, macros or whatever?

If I want to include in a template the first author and date of first creation of a page, is there a variable, template, macro, or other suitable species of mechanism to do it - or can I write one? What I'd like is to be able to write a template which includes wording to produce something like:

This article (Toenail transplants) was first created by Albert Sidebottom on 17th May 2003

by writing something like:

''This article {{BASEPAGENAME}} was first created by {{  ???  }} on {{  ???  }}''

Thanks in anticipation. Hebrides 12:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know of such a mechansim. I guess your best bet would be to write (or request) a bot which will add this to desired pages. More pressing is the question of where do you intend to use this template? Putting it in the article namespace doesn't seem like a good idea. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 12:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

If I run across it in an article, I will immediately delete it. User:Zoe|^(talk) 02:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, this is similar to the request I made up in the Village pump... Titoxd^(?!?) 05:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

What's the proper HTML format for a hard- or carriage return

I usually use br enclosed by triangle brackets, but some people seem to think you need to put a slash before the closing bracket which makes no sense to me since (1) there's no opening tag and (2) even if there was the slash should go at the front and not the back. Could anyone enlighten me as to what syntax should be used for these in Wikipedia articles? - Mgm|^(talk) 12:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I think your two questions cancel each other out. < BR > and < / BR > and < BR / > would be three different tags. The first is an opener, the second one is a closer. They should be used in pairs, but HTML commonly breaks those rules. However, XHTML cannot break the rules; openers and closers MUST be used in pairs in XML. The special form < anything / > is supposed to be exactly the same as writing < anything > < / anything >; hence < BR / > is the required XHTML tag. I have no idea whether XHTML is supposed to be the standard in Wikipedia, however. Notinasnaid 12:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

When making the article, the Wikipedia parser (or whatever) turns <br> into <br /> anyway (check by viewing the page source). I think <br /> is the more correct version (that will work with older browsers).--Commander Keane 12:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

RSS Feed

Hello,

I have a yahoo 360 Blog and wondered if you allowed anyone to add your site or portions there of as a rss feed on a Blog.

Thanks, CS

Hey CS,

All contributions to Wikipedia are licensed under the GFDL, with the exception of many image and media files, which are under an assortment of free licenses (and some are used under the doctrine of fair use). So, read that license to get an idea of what uses are allowed.

Also, you may find Special:Export helpful to you. --ryos 20:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

editing

I have an article titled, CHARTrunner. I would like to edit it to chartrunner since the "search" box is case sensitive. Pls. notify me in my talk page thank you

I like cheetos 14:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

No, you don't. Articles need to be located at their proper capitalization. - 131.211.210.16 07:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggested using a Wikipedia:Redirect at User talk:I like cheetos. -- Rick Block (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible copyright issue?

Financial_Consumer_Agency_of_Canada The last paragraph makes me wonder if this isn't a possibly copyright issue:

The information in this article is taken entirely from information available on the public web pages of the Government of Canada, specifically the website of FCAC (see link below), and is reproduced here with the permission of the Agency.

They claim to have permission (and its likely with the username thats been editing this its an employee of the FCAC), but of course offer up no proof of such. I didn't want to slap a copyvio on it too hastily.--Crossmr 16:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

(Canadian) government publications – unlike their U.S. counterparts – are covered by Crown copyright. Usually this permits reuse for noncommercial and educational use, however this blanket permission is insufficiently broad for use in the GFDL-licensed Wikipedia.

In order to use government material verbatim we would need to receive special permission to release it under the GFDL, from an individual empowered to give such permission. (They would need to understand the implications of the GFDL, including the right to redistribute.) See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission; once you receive confirmation that appropriate permission has been granted, forward the email to permissions@wikimedia.org. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the one seeking permission its whoever added this information. However a quick view of the site doesn't seem to suggest this was actually taken verbatim, I think it was just an improper wording on their part.--Crossmr 00:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Image

In the article maggot, someone posted an image taken from a website, which is, I believe, a copyright violation. What do I do to the image? (remove it from the article?) Mo-Al 16:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Goto the image and tag it as a possible copyvio, I believe the template includes instructions on what to do after that, if not, see WP:IFD which may help.--Crossmr 16:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You tag the image like this (Someone already had done so): {{untagged|month=July|day=13|year=2006}} , which displays as:

This image does not have a copyright tag. Copyright tagging is required to provide a consistent way to identify the copyright status of images, and to allow for automated classification of images. This template should be replaced with the appropriate copyright tag. Failure to tag an image may lead to its deletion. If you have any questions please see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

• That should be good enough. The patroling admins will deal with it. // FrankB 16:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio, or the other way about

The previous text of Measure for Measure was replaced with a lengthy plot synopsis in this edit. It's something of an improvement on what was there before, so I'd like to let it stand. However, because it was clearly dumped in one go, I tried to check whether there was a copyvio, and if you Google "Froth to Angelo and Escalus accusing them of illegal doings" you do indeed get an outside link, to here. The trouble is, that hasn't carried me very far. I've no intention of subscribing to learnessays.com and buying the essay to find out if wikipedia's article is plagiarised from it. Also, I've realised that the theft could be the other way: them selling our article. Is there any sensible way to resolve this? I've left a short message on User talk:Cybermyth, but I don't really expect a reply given his short contribution history. Does anyone have any thoughts? AndyJones 16:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• That's not a terribly large change in such a short article. Just because some words strung together hit, that doesn't indicate that there is a copywrite collision. You'd hate my edits. I add far more that that usually!

Still, your concern is laudable. Suggest you try posting your concern and query on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Theatre  /  Talk, where it is likely someone will be an expert on the topic, and will perhaps have some teaching experience at catching plagerisms.

Also, even more importantly, ask the question directly of the editor...

Is there any reason to assume bad faith? If they're inexperienced (contribs), or don't have a record of similar edits, then suspicion is perhaps better warranted.

OTOH, perhaps they authored the piece on that site. So don't hesitate to ask THEM, it needn't be a confrontation... and may do some good if you're concerns have any basis in fact at all.

We all check up on each other, so get used to taking your share of the burden all the way, not just asking an overly busy admin on suspicion.

When your investigation seems to indicate something is still 'stinky' then yell for help. <g>

FYI (and others)-- (I found backing to it from Category:Culture_WikiProjects, being 'aware' of what special interest's 'experts' there may be is half the battle sometimes <g>. So find the List of WikiProjects and bookmark it for future connumdrums!) See also: Category:WikiProject Performing arts for the in-between navigation. // FrankB 17:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• You're right that there was no reason to assume bad faith, and I'm still not doing so. Besides it's easy to make a good faith copyvio, especially if you're new. However an exact match over a string of words including proper nouns isn't just a coincidence as your opening words suggest. I've tried repeating the exercise with other strings, and my new conclusion is that the article was very probably lifted from here. I think I need to revert that, although again it's equally possible that onlineshakespeare.com's source was wikipedia, not the other way about. Thanks for your help. AndyJones 17:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

That's a horse of a different color. That does qualify as bad faith, in it's way. Now that you're sure you have the source, it should be fixed... The best solution would not be a revert, IMHO, but rewrite to have the same content. If you don't want to take it on, document it in the talk, add a copyedit tag there, and revert it.

• I'd probably still ask the editor (pointing out he'd been caught) whether they would fix it, or whether you should you do so.

Good for the soul (LOL) and they'll think twice about using source material if they keep editing. btw- your first reference link just gave a membership blurb. The second is much better. So you can assume some malfeasance now, in good faith (<BSEG>). Best wishes // FrankB 18:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

How do I add information

Hi My name is Gabe and I represent the Prog-Rock power trio, Guido's Hand. We would love to have our band added to your encyclopedia. Could you please tell me how I would go about doing so? You can access our webpage at www.guidoshandrocks.com Thanks for your time Gabe

Hi, thank you for your interest. However, please take a look at WP:AUTO and WP:BAND. Since all Wikipedia articles must conform to the verifiability, notability and neutral point of view policies, countless band-related articles are deleted every day as not being suitable for the encyclopedia. Technically, you can create a new article by looking at the instructions at Wikipedia:Your first article, but please be wary of our policies and guidelines. Cheers, Tangotango 17:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

What ahppens if you hack someones account?

Like, you find out Jimbo's password, and you go into his account and do stuff? What if you do it then log out immediately?

They will find your IP and block it indefinitely so that you can't do it again. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

What if they don't know who did it?

They do. They can easily track your IP address. Mo-Al 19:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Who are 'they'? They sound quite scary. —Daniel (‽) 19:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Cabal. But don't ask them about it. They'll try to deny it. --Kwekubo 20:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

There is only a cabal if you want there to be one. User:Zoe|^(talk) 03:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Making Your Own Page

How do I make my own page?

• Wikipedia:How to start a page. If you want to write about yourself, use a Wikipedia:Userpage, but remember that Wikipedia isn't a MySpace or free webhost alternative. Don't make a userpage if you don't plan on contributing. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProjects

I have an idea for a rather large WikiProject.

I am wondering if there is any way to create an Administrator level of editorial control (deletes, etc...) within a specific project.

The reason I ask is that I am perfectly happy for my content to be copyleft, but I am concerned about losing control of its quality and content, and/or that someone else may attempt to control this.

I am new to Wikipedia, so this may be a wrongheaded or inappropriate attitude on my part, but perhaps in asking it I will find out other things that will help me to decide if this is the right place for my content.

Thanks very much for your time.

Scott L. Bain ---Scott L. Bain- 20:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• No single editor is in control of any article and it is indeed inappropriate to try to be. However, the goal of keeping content high quality is a good one and there's already several projects working to this goal (people who correct spelling, check facts, provide sources and work to get stuff to featured quality). Try becoming a member of existing WikiProjects to ensure the keepup of the quality on articles you care about. - 131.211.210.16 07:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Service For Peace

Hello,

My name is Diana and I would like to edit the Service For Peace area. I am their international communications director. Please email me at EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED TO PREVENT SPAM with information. My username at this website is serviceforpeace

Thanks! Diana

You are quite welcome to edit the article on Service For Peace; just click the 'edit this page' tab at the top of the article. See Wikipedia:How to edit a page for information on how to format your contributions. However, all contributions to Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view, which could be difficult for you since you are personally linked to the organisation in question. Be aware that others may subsequently edit your contributions if they feel that the article is non-NPOV. --Kwekubo 20:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hatnotes as in The Artful Dodger (UK band)

Can someone please have a look at the article and see whether there's a proper way to make the last sentence ("There was also a Power-Pop band in the 1970s named Artful Dodger, and there is also a punk band named The Artful Dodger.") a hatnote? Wikipedia:Hatnotes lists some examples on how to use hatnotes, but doesn't provide help on this case. If there's no way to do so just tell me that there isn't, any answer would be very much appreciated. Thank you. -- dreadlady 20:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Neopets

You use to have the full neopets history. Please tell me where I can find it!! Thank you..Leona

Try our article on Neopets. --Kwekubo 20:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Your Piggly Wiggly Stores article

My father and his brothers founded a chain in Omaha, Nebraska named "Hinky Dinky" in about 1929. Shortly thereafter Piggly Wiggly filed a patent infrinement suit, obviously claiming infringement of the patent cited in your "Piggly Wiggly" article. My father told me that the suit was dismissed after the "Hinky Dinky" stores agreed to separate its alternate aisles from the rear wall of the store, thus freeing up the customers to go directly to any spot in the store. If you read the claims in Piggly Wiggly article, you will see that the "Hinky Dinky" alteration wold not infringe the "Piggly Wiggly" patent.

As far as I know the "Hinky Dinky" chain was the first to open up to shoppers a self-service grocery store in this fashion, thus creating gondolas and no longer forcing customers to walk sinuously throught the store. As we all know, the "Hinky Dinky" format is now universal in self-service stores of all sorts.

I would guess that the "Hinky Dinky" format was not patentable as no doubt there were many stores for many years prior laid out in that fashion. I do not know if "Piggly Wiggly filed infringement suits against other retailers, but, as a retired Patent attorney, I do know that its patent was probably valid, but obviously of little value. By the way this is true of many novel ideas which have been patented.

• I suggest you add this content to the talk page for Piggly Wiggly. — Reinyday, 21:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I moved it for you. — Reinyday, 21:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

PRN Issue

When I search for the letters "PRN," my browser gives an error. This was true in IE 6.0, Firefox 1.5, both from home and from work.

• Mine doesn't (I'm using Firefox on a Mac). Are you looking for the PRN article? — Reinyday, 21:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit Help

Greetings,

I am trying to add a section entitled "No. 1 hit singles" to the page entitled "1949 In Music" I have copied the same format that was used for 1950 and then edited it for 1949. When I click priview, the entire section comes up just as it should. But when I click save, only the heading and the introductory line appear. Please help.

Chuck Ford

Editing Help

Greetings,

I wrote you concerning a problem with editing a page but have solved the problem. Thanks anyway.

Chuck Ford

Stage Names??

Just a quick question: when writing articles about stars, is it preferable to use their real names or their (more popular) stage names? Pages like Cher seem to hint at the latter, but the K-Pop pages I'm working on are using their proper names (Choi Sung-Hee for Bada, Yoo Soo-Young for Shoo, etc.). But then, Chae Yeon is Chae Yeon, even though her real name is Lee Jin-Sook. These are all stars who are known mainly by their stage name, so is it proper for me to move them? SKS2K6 22:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Nick names, pen names, stage names, cognomens. — Reinyday, 22:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the short reply; my baby was crying. The key phrase is "The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name..." Does a journalistic article about a K-Pop musician refer to them by real name or stage name? — Reinyday, 22:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Another thought is to create a page under the other name, as a redirect, for example the text of the page Shoo could be "#REDIRECT [[Yoo Soo-Young]]"<\nowiki> (or whatever). That way, whichever page the reader goes to, she will find the article. ~~~~ ==July 14= ===Footnotes - Aaaaarrrrrgggh !=== I am trying to learn inline citation so that I can raise articles to Featured Article standard. Please could you take a look at the article [[Grenadier Guards]] which I do not see as a FA. I have made an attempt to generate a footnote as a test case for other articles I'm working on. However, I have enountered difficulties in execution and also in terminology. Let me first say I know about bibliographic and citation style, but have had trouble with *working with the "ref" and "note" templates. Having checked the appropriate Wikipedia How-to page - [[WP:IC]] - on this, I'm thoroughly confused. I tried to create a footnote in [[Grenadier Guards]] using the "ref" and "note" templates. The note looks OK, but the ref in the text (it's in the Marches section) is NOT ok. Could you please take a look at the article and advise me as to where I'm going wrong on this? * Relating what seems to be "Reference" advice to my Footnotes and Reference section. The instructions on the How-To page do not clearly distinguish between a Footnote and a Reference. To my understanding, the Reference section is a bibliography and each reference item would appear therein only once. Meanwhile, Footnotes can refer to the same text a number of times - i.e., Ibid. and Op. Cit. references, etc. etc. Are the "ref" and "note" templates actually for footnote use? What am I missing here? *And finally: in the article [[Grenadier Guards]] have I placed the Footnotes, References, See Also and External Links categories in the right order? Your sage advice welcomed as always. -- [[User:FClef|FClef]] [[User talk:FClef|(Talk)]] 00:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC) ::I have put the footnote and references in the {{tl|cite book}} format, and used the <nowiki><ref></ref> format for the note in the hope that this is what you were looking for. Please feel free to revert.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I refer to your actions on my recent Help Desk query. Thanks very much for using the advanced formats to improve my footnote. That's exactly what I wanted. -- FClef (Talk) 02:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

RE the preceding topic about footnotes, e.g. Grenadier Guards

I think I've got this straight. Do I do the "References" section using Citation Templates - WP:CITET - ? And do I use tags within the text, containing between them the footnote, followed by a Notes section with <references/> for "Footnotes"? as described at WP:FN

• Please confirm that my understanding of this is correct. Thanks for your forbearance. It's a steep learning curve. -- FClef (Talk) 02:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia page view statistics?

Hi all. Does anyone here know if it is possible to obtain page-view or search statistics for en.wikipedia.org? I'm interested in knowing how often ceratin articles are searched for and viewed. -Nick^talk 01:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Statistics -- Lost 05:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Better still, see Category:Wikipedia statistics for a longer list - Lost 06:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

will and grace rating

Im trying to find the ratings fro will and grace but i cant find them is there anyway I can find these ratings some how. a site maybe or somthin if u can help me id appericatie it. THANKCs

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). For your convenience, here's the link: Reference Desk (when you get there, just select the relevant section, and ask away). I hope this helps. -- Lost 06:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

School vanity?

Yesterday someone has spent a lot of effort adding names of staff and prefects to the article on their school King Edward VI Aston. As a contributor to the article I am not sure I can make an un-biased decision to boldly wield the eraser. Is there someone with experience in this who can tactfully sort this out (if it needs sorting)? It seems a shame to remove all that work. Thanks. Oosoom 05:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Its probably best to ask at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Schools -- Lost 06:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Disappearing page?

This isn't really a newbie's question, but I have no idea where else to put this, so I'll ask here. I recently moved Axum coinage to Aksumite currency, which went all fine and dandy (checked for double redirects and all that), but now for some very odd reason, a search for Aksumite currency doesn't retrieve Aksumite currency, but instead only two pages: Kingdom of Aksum and Harar. I'm at a loss as to how this could have happened, but I'd be greatly indebted to whomever can figure out what's wrong and fix it. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, since a search for axum coinage gives a correct result, it just means the internal search engine's index hasn't reflected the change. When the developers run the appropriate script, it will get fixed. Don't worry, everything you did is all right. Titoxd^(?!?) 05:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I should clarify. By recent I mean a little over 3 days ago. Surely the change should be reflected by now? I doubt it's anything I did, but it may reflect a problem in MediaWiki (unless delays this long are routine and expected). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

You hit the nail on the head - delays this long are both routine and expected, as updating the index takes a while and is harsh on the servers, so it isn't done very often. Usually, the index is updated twice a week, but it isn't really out of the ordinary to have longer spans between updates. Titoxd^(?!?) 05:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. Glad that's cleared up. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

How to search content for square brackets in content?

How do I write a search string to match square brackets? According to WP:SEARCH, it seems I can just enter [1] and click Search to get all pages that have that string. That gives me no hits. I also tried putting it in various types of quotes--still nothing. I'm sure there are pages that do things like a literal ^[1] instead of using any of the template or cite.php citation features. I also tried Google as an external engine, but that searches the "outside" view of the pages, not the data as entered in the editor: I get all pages that use cite.php to automatically insert a ref hyperlink. How (if at all) can I do this search? DMacks 07:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)