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November 16

Translating articles

Xorthan 18:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There are several English articles that I would like to see in Spanish. (Actually, all of them, but that would take way too long). I can do the translations myself.

What's the best way to do this?

You might try looking at Wikipedia:Spanish Translation of the Week. You don't necessarily have to sign up with the project, but they have some helpful hints that I've used before in translating articles. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Translation into English. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You've got it the wrong way round Pat, the user is asking how to translate articles *into* Spanish, not *from* Spanish. I'm not sure that the Spanish Wikipedia has an equivalent translation project. You could try setting one up over there, or just go ahead and start doing it yourself, article by article. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 07:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Does it violate any copyright to translate another person's article?

All articles on Wikipedia are licensed under the GFDL, meaning you're free to copy them provided the copy is also licensed under the GFDL and you provide credit. When translating across Wikipedia projects, this is achieved by adding a note to the "References" section or equivalent to the effect of:

"This article contains text originally from the [[:en:Foo|corresponding article]] on the [[:en:Main Page|English Wikipedia]]." GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 19:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

What is the wikipedia policy for creating religion categories and Portals?

Four of us have decided to start a religion, "The Mickey Mouse" based on some obsure book, "Micky and Dickey". I want to make a portal for it and get it included in the religious categories. Sounds crazy proposal? But you guys have already allowed some unknown entity called Ayyavazhi to make 100 articles on it and enter it into religious categories and even make a separate portal for it, when we from the same region as that grouping dont even know that such a thing exists. There are no newspaper reports and no credible books to prove that such a grouping even exists and it has a top-level portal - [[1]]Balajiviswanathan 01:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Friend, Iam requesting once again. Please don't hurt. I've cited with New paper report and with University reserch papers from professors.

Why you are comparing Ayyavazhi with the name micky mouse and all?

Number of Adherents- Since not officially recognised (Ayyavazhi not recognised as a seperate religion) there is no chance for a officially valid list. Then from Ayyavazhi head-quarters there are several listings based upon membership in Thangals I think. Let me try to find. Roughly telling I've heard many of them telling as over a million.

On the other hand, friend see the declaration of official Holiday. You can't say that it is like a local Holiday given for some other temples like Velankanni. Because, for no temple festivals in Tamil Nadu more than a district will be declared as a holiday.

But, three dists were declared as a Holiday. Just more than 15 percent of the three districts populaton will comfortably cross this border. Even for local holidays a considerable percent population more than this is claimed.

Spread of Ayyavazhi outside Tamil nadu.

From a reserch paper from Madurai Kamarajar University, Dr.R.Ponnu in (Sri Vaikunda Swamigal and The Struggle for Social Equality in South India, says, "At present, thousands of Pathis (Nizhal Thangals) are seen through out the Various parts of South India" He also told that (Down in the Paragraph about Kanyakumari and Tirunelveli dists) , "In these two districts it is very difficult to see a village with-out a pathi". This is the reason for the declaration of a holiday. These two are three districts are havily populated but on the other hand the Ayyavazhi population scattered through-out South India. But not hevily as these districts.

Another book (Ayya Vaikundarin vaazvum Sinthanaiyum)(Tamil) from the same university says (Author N.Krishna Nathan) that "60% of the Thangals are runned by Nadars and the rest by others". Which means 40 % is out side Nadar caste. That is the spread of Ayyavazhi in south or whole of Tamil Nadu is more among Nadars and outside Tamil nadu the spread is among other people.

The book Religion and Subaltern Agency from Madras University also says the presence of Thangals across the country mainly many parts of Tamil Nadu and some Kerala Parts.

And Dr.Poulose in his book Advaita Philosophy of Brahmasri Chattampi Swamikal, says the presence of Thangals through-out India. It doesn't mean that the wole Indian parts are of Ayyavazhi followers. But as your general vision, it should not be mistaken that it's spread is confine to two or three districts of Tamil Nadu or Nadars.

This University books are with me and there are sevral University books which gives such details is not with me. Then these are external and valid nutral views.

Then the official recognition from the Indian govt only doesnot make a notability to religion. The recognition will come after a sereis of deed and all. These are university papers.

If there are a million people and climing for a religion and the Indian Government does not recognise it as a religion. The people don't call them as Hindus. Does it mean that they are Hindus really? This is in the case of Ayyavazhi. They don't call them as Hindus. And the niversity papers itself is proof.

Then the official govt recognision itself don't bring a notability for some thing at all. If so are the university papers not genune? It says about the underlying reality.

Then from the pages you removed Ayyavazhi see the other pages (other than major beleifs) liked to there. I feel Ayyavazhi is more notable than that. Please understand.

And is it my fault that they are unknown online. Still the book, "Religion and Subaltern Agency" the most cited book is found online - Paul 01:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia has to appoint a few admins knowledgeable in the issue to resolve this matter. The news report, doesnt say anything about their group and this all proof they have. The are no links to papers in the second link. Even assuming that it is a real grouping, there are a zillion groupings in the world, believing on a variety of things. When it is not even known by people from the region and not even mentioned in any of the official pages or news articles, how could it even warrant a page, leave alone a portal? Balajiviswanathan 01:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I have recommended on your talk pages that you two to take your dispute to Wikipedia:Mediation. You both care about the issue passionately; I cannot see how it will be resolved without damage other than by mediation. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I cited even with University reserch books. Iam again asking, They are offline. That is not my fault friend. Please understand.

Telling more about Ayyavazhi, It is a religion in South India with 8000 worship centers. This is even cited from University book in Ayyavazhi Article. What more I can Do? Please understand - Paul 01:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Take it to Wikipedia:Mediation. You two are diametrically opposed & have been banging against each other for quite some time. Take it to Wikipedia:Mediation. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Or WP:RFC - if you haven't tried already. It may not be notable enough to constitute its own portal and article, especially if you just decided to create your own religion (see WP:NFT). Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Four of us have decided to start a religion, "The Mickey Mouse" based on some obsure book, "Micky and Dickey"

Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day, etc. --WikiSlasher 08:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Using the Site

I am doing a research paper and I would like to use this site and a resource. Is it possible to site this as a book or do i need to site is as a website? Thank you.

Go o the article you want to cite, and you will notice in the "toolbox" on the lefthand corner of the screen will have link "Cite this article". Click it, and it should help. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't log in.

My account (JesseBHolmes) suddenly won't work; I've tried typing in the password many times & know for a fact that it is the correct one. Why is this happening?

See Help:Logging in. Your problem may be there. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No, my problem isn't there. I use this account all the time, on the English-language Wikipedia; it's always worked until now. --198.60.192.145 02:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You've checked that cookies are enabled, and that you've typed in right capitalization for your username and password? -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. It tells me the password is wrong; it isn't. --198.60.192.145 02:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Click "e-mail new password" and try that. Cbrown1023 03:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

- this has happened to me twice in the last week, out of the blue. Is there a problem Houston? Johnbod 03:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you see Help:Logging in? I just logged in, and didn't get a problem; if not, you might just have to wait until the problem clears out. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I tried clicking e-mailing the password; it didn't remember my e-mail address and couldn't send it. I guess I'll try just waiting it out for now. --198.60.192.145 04:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It's been two days & my account hasn't come back. Is there any way to regain access to my account? --70.58.60.16 04:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC) (JesseBHolmes)

Anit-Semitic remarks

I can't figure out how to delete this on the page, nor can I find a way to contact the Wikipedia editors, so I'm writing this here in the hopes that one of you will know what to do about it.

On the page about the war in Iraq, there is an info box that has extremely anti-Semitic remarks in all caps. I think it would be best for all if this were deleted as quickly as possible.

Please tell the page. Cbrown1023 02:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I can't see it in Iraq War, someone must have deleted it. If you see something like this you shoud go to the page's history and then compare the most recent version to the one before it (using the compare selected versions button). If the red writing on the right is outright offensive or vandalism you can revert by clicking (edit) above the righting on the left side, fill in the edit summary box with Rv, Revert or something similar and save the page. --WikiSlasher 07:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems you came across some vandalism - it's a sad fact that some people on Wikipedia seek to disrupt it by defacing pages like this. Luckily, it's very easy to fix, as WikiSlasher said. You can find instructions on how to do this at Help:Reverting. — QuantumEleven 14:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Bias problems in article on Herschel Grynszpan

COMPLAINT

The following is a reference from Gerald Schwab's The Day the Holocaust Began:p. 186-7 (If you look at Schwab p.186, you will find that the writer has twisted and misunderstood and misstated what Schwab has on that page.) What Schwab has there is this: "Those arguing that there existed a homosexual relationship between assassin and victim naturally also rely to a considerable extent on the statements of Herschel Grynszpan. Occasionally also cited is a notarized sworn deposition of August 25, 1963, by Dr. Sarella Pomeranz, who stated that she was a doctor in the Institute of Radiology of Drs. Halberstaedter and Tugendreich in Berlin from 1929 until it closed in 1939. According to Dr. Pomeranz, Ernst vom Rath was treated at the Institute for rectal gonorrhea which, according to the referring physician, had been contracted as a result of homosexual relations. According to Dr. Pomeranz, she carried out the shortwave radiation therapy which, at the time, was considered the most effective treatment for the illness. Dr. Pomeranz stated that she remembers Ernst vom Rath because of who he was -- not surprising when one considers that the Institute was operated by Jewish physicians, all of whom evenutally emigrated. Grimm reported in his memorandum of April 23, 1942, that among the files confiscated in Paris was a letter from Tel Aviv dated august 27, 1939, from Dr. Schoroschowsky, a radiologist formerly from Berlin, who reported having heard essentially THE SAME RUMOR. Dr. Schoroschowsky did not identify his source, but THE INFORMATION APPARENTLY WAS BASED ON HEARSAY. Questions have been raised about the veracity of Dr. Pomeranz's deposition. Actually, it is largely irrelevant. The question here is not what vom Rath's sexual preferences were, but rather whether there existed a homoseuxal relationship between vom Rath and Grynszpan. This writer contends that the question can be answered with an emphatic "no". (ends on p. 187 Schwab.)

So why has the Grynszpan article writer written the following and said it was from Schwab? : "It seems clear that vom Rath, a 28-year-old bachelor who had used family connections to get himself posted to the pleasant surroundings of Paris, was homosexual. According to the rumours collected by Döscher, he was known as "Madame Ambassadeur" and "Notre Dame de Paris" among Parisian gay men. These rumours were collected by investigators hired by Moro-Giafferi, and used as the basis for a defense. After the war, it was revealed that vom Rath had been treated for rectal gonorrhoea at the Berlin Institute of Radiology. [7]"

How come any attempt to change or clarify this has been deleted time and time again? oldcitycat 02:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC) oldcitycat 02:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You will have to clarify that with the one who reverted your remarks. I'm pretty sure not many people here have the book you're referring to, and therefore cannot discuss whether the author meant what you said or not. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 03:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There are a lot of things wrong with Wikipedia and one of them is Adam Carr's handling of changes for the Grynszpan article. He certainly doesn't know anything much about the sources available or anything much about the subject in general. This is a formal complaint. Carr thinks he owns Wikipedia. oldcitycat 07:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC) 69.162.194.59 06:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no cabal. Please remain civil. If you wish you may go to WP:RFC or WP:THIRD and ask for an outside view. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 07:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is in need of stiff competition. Staying with it is not worth the effort.69.162.194.59 08:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Country partitions

Does Wikipedia have a listing of countries which were partitioned, such as: India; Ireland; Yugoslavia, etc. Jonathan Fast

Partition (a disambiguation page) has what looks like an incomplete listing; perhaps that will help? Not sure, though. —Keakealani 03:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That would be a good category to create, though, on your own. See WP:Category. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Correction: Brazil Ethinicity. The New-Christians or Jews Portugueses in Brazil

Hello, would like to make a commentary in relation to the referring article about Brazil. With regard to the topic "ethnicity", in accordance with studies, research and inquiries on the history and the poblation of Brazil, 35% of the Brazilian population, has some jews descendents. What it occurs? At the beginning of century I, the biggest concentration of jews of the planet was in the Iberian peninsula. With the constant invasions, barbarians, Romans, Christians and arabians, the great majority of these jews had Portugal as last redoubt. In 1500, with the persecution of the Inquisition, many they had as exit, a country that finishes for being discovered, Brazil. Of first the 400,0000 Portuguese inhabitants who had immigrated for America (Brazil), 90% were jewishes or NEW-CHRISTIANS (jews obligatorily cristianized). It has many associations about this research in Brazil, that each time more these studies are extending. It has indications of associations that are helping in the interested research of and at the same time reintroduce these descendants for the culture it jews. Therefore, the majority of Portuguese common names and some Spaniard are changed names, like for example Christian-old last names, as for example: Silva, Moraes, Souza, Teixeira, Costa, Carvalho, Flores, Fernandes, Oliveira, Moreira, and many others. More information, will be able to get in some sites as for example, ABRADJIN - Brazilian Association of the Portuguese Descendants of Jewhishes, Brazil Memorial - Sefarad, or the book, the Raízes Jewish of the Brazilian People(As Raízes Judias do Povo Brasileiro), Flávio Mendes de Cravalho. Thanks.

The place to discuss changes to an article is on the talk page. Propose any change you have at Talk:Brazil, along with the reason why. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I know someone that is making a vanity page. What do I do?

Hello.

I am pretty novice at using Wikipedia, but someone I know admitted to me that he is making a vanity page on Wikipedia to increase traffic to his website.

I was tempted to go in and flag the entry somehow, but I don't want him to know I am betraying him since my username will come up. I really am a firm believer in keeping the site's integrety. I don't really know what to do.

Thank you for your time.

You do exactly what I did, and place a deletion notice at the top of the page. In this case, it's {{db-web}}, because it's about a website. Please see Other tags can be found at WP:CSD. If the speedy deletion is canceled, you can start a proposed deletion or, more likely, an WP:AFD (article for deletion) where arguments for and against are used. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

(After edit conflict) If he's doing something against the rules, you shouldn't be afraid to follow procedure in tagging it. (And in this case, the proper tag would be {{db-spam}} for the reference). If you're really worried about it, you could sign out and tag it anonymously so that it's only noted by your IP address. Since the article is about to get deleted anyway, your IP wouldn't be around very long, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If you think he's going to continue, you might want to let an admin know via Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Good luck, whatever your choice. As it were, that article has already been tagged for deletion, so I wouldn't worry about it. —Keakealani 05:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

But if the person you know sees your IP address, then that person can check what company the IP is registered to and if that company is based in the same area then the person could suspect it was you who did it (after all you were told about it). Just sharing my thoughts. --WikiSlasher 07:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

... and, in any case, the article in question has now been deleted, citing criteria A7. — QuantumEleven 14:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing links

1. How do I change the link in the K.M. Peyton page to point to the newly created article Going Home (book by K.M. Peyton) as opposed to a film of the same name?

2. How do I ensure the book will be found when a search of "Going Home" is made?

Princess Ali 09:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

To aim a link at Going Home (book by K. M. Peyton), type [[Going Home (book by K. M. Peyton)|what text you want to appear]]. If someone types in Going Home at the moment, they come to a page about the TV series; you should add the newly created article to Going Home (disambiguation) to make it easier to find. --ais523 09:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Unless there's more notable books with that name, it's probably better to put the article at Going Home (novel). If there's more, it should probably be at Going Home (K.M. Peyton novel) to be in line with other similar titles. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Question

What things to include under Article and what under PortalNileema 03 11:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

See WP:Portal for a guide, where it says Portals are pages intended to serve as "Main Pages" for specific topics or areas. For example, Portal:Latin America. However, individual articles are more specific (e.g., Fiestas Patrias (Chile) is mentioned under the above portal. Hope that helps. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 11:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

improvement of article

I have contributed a ariticle about freedom fighter Khadi shankarappa.I am getting the notice to clean up the article.can you kindly clean up or suggest how to clean up the said article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gopinath shimoga (talk • contribs)

See Wikipedia's Manual of Style. In your case, a few things that stick out at me are: the fact that the first sentence should contain the name of the article in bold, it could use some sections with that much text (see WP:SECT), there are some grammatical problems (e.g., a sentence starts at least one space after a period), and it could use some clarification for people not familiar with Indian history (that can be achieved through better Wikilinking). Good luck. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 11:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing a page

Please could you assist me in editing the information for FremantleMedia. The information is out of date. I did try to delete everything and paste in the correct information but Wikipedia then deleted my work and told me I was vandalising the page. I work in Communications for FremantleMedia and so my new information is correct. I would like help in changing this page please.

Kind regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucywinter (talk • contribs)

I would suggest that you leave a message on the page of the editor who reverted you (User_talk:Geniac), and possibly a message on the talk page of the article explaining why you're removing content. From here on, I would advise using the talk page or edit summary to explain why you're removing content in the future - otherwise, it might just look like you're making a whimsical change (no offense to you; just a general statement about how Wikipedia operates). -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to make the new information still look like a Wikipedia article. Notice that the article at the moment is full of links, for example. What you replaced it with was mostly simply factual but did not have any links. And it reads like publicity written by the company, rather than a neutral overview (e.g. "The company is a global leader in content production and rights"). You'll notice that the article includes, currently, a lot of information about properties that are owned, and what you replaced it with did not have any of this information. This should be preserved, and if any of those properties are no longer owned, then it is in order for the article to say "formerly". Probably your best approach is to take the article as it is, pick out specific errors and correct them. Replacing whole articles is rarely succesful, because you aren't likely to reach a consensus with all the existing editors who worked on it. Finally, you need to extra care because you represent the company: there is understandable caution in allowing this, because it's much harder for you to take a neutral perspective. Also, be sure not to use material word for word from your publicity material, as it is likely to be flagged as a copyright violation (and it's much easier to rewrite than prove permission!). Good luck! Notinasnaid 12:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Information in Wikipedia must be verifiable from already published reliable sources and must be written in a neutral tone. "Insider info" would not qualify as it has not been published elsewhere. I would also suggest that you read Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest guidelines (WP:COI and WP:ECOI) to ensure that other editors will not have reason to question your edits. Zunaid©^{Please rate me at Editor Review!} 09:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

How do I rename (move) a page?

I have read the section on how to rename a page which I need to do as I accidentally ommitted to use capital letters. However, I can't figure out what to do. The instructions read:

With the correct page displayed, click on the "Move" tab near the top of the page. You'll be asked for a new name for the page, and given the option to also move the page's talk page.

However, there is no 'move' tab anywhere and I have tried everything. Help!

--Needs fixing 12:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that you are a new user; one has to be a user registered for at least four days to be able to make a page move. Ironically, looking at your log, it looks like you'll hit that status in about 40 minutes, as I write this. That being said, I'll make the move for you anyway. :) Good luck. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

log in

please enlighten me as to the meaning of the "log-in" function. whenever i log in my log-in name shows on the top of the page and this occurs automatically as well whenever i first bring up wikipedia. however, whenever i change pages the log-in name disappears. worse yet, whenever i edit something i see the message "you are currently not logged in etc." and then i go to logging in and thereafter back to editing and, there again it says:"you are currently not logged in". In other words i have not been able to do anything while logged in and therefore my IP address shows i guess! not that i mind but..... Thank you. Bert67.142.130.40 12:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like you don't have cookies enabled on your computer. For help, try Help:Logging in. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks Patstuart, did as you said but did not change the situation. i use msinternet explorer 6 and it is set to medium. any further suggestions? thanks bert67.142.130.45 15:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help you further; the Help: Logging in page (which I partially helped to write) has about the extent of what I know could be the problem. Still, it sounds like a cookies issue to me. Good luck anyway, though. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Virtual classroom update and assignment template

We've moved on to our second lesson in the Virtual classroom, though each lesson is continuous so we may see more additions to the interface share and compare as well. The current topic of discussion is "stubbing."

To help keep track of what's going on, here's a template you can place at the top of your userpage or talk page:

Hope to see you at the Virtual classroom soon.  The Transhumanist   12:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks; I just might use that. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding images and why can they not be from websites?

I have just posted this question but for some reason it hasn't appeared so apologies if it suddenly does! What I need to know is about adding images to my article. I have read numerous things about uploading them etc, but the wikipedia section on adding images stresses that they must not come from a website. What is the definition of a website? (sorry, I am a computer newbie!) Surely any image which is on the internet and freely available is in the public domain and therefore can be used on a wikipedia article? I just want to add a simple picture/image of a person about whom I am writing - there are lots of pics of this person online. Can I use them? And how do I determine the copyright status?? Any help much appreciated! --Needs fixing 12:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

A website is basically anything on the internet. Images from websites are almost always copyrighted, and need to be attributed. It's not that you can't upload any file from the internet, it's that you can't upload just any file from the internet. When you go to upload a file, it will have instructions on how to say how the image fits into copyright guidelines. This is very difficult business, albeit, so if you're still having trouble, come back and explain which file you want to upload, why, and where you want to use it, and someone here can try to help. Good luck. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• You should probably read up on the public domain. Just because things on the internet are often freely available doesn't mean they're in the public domain. Library books are accesible, but that doesn't affect their copyright status. Websites are the same. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Creating notability.

Hello Wikipedia,

I just would like some advice on how to make my Amelia's Magazine article have the required notability. I have read and re-read your extensive pages on the matter but am no clearer as to what I have to do. For example, I can't really see the difference between my article and for example the article about Vice Magazine. In no way is this a criticism, I would just like you to enlighten me so I can improve it and make sure it doesn't get deleted.

The article is independent, I am in no way associated with Amelia's Magazine, other than being a reader, and would very much appreciate your assistance. Also, could you please comment on the references I have cited as to whether or not they are acceptable.

Tom Howard

Has it been deleted before? If so, you'll want to be careful. But I would start out the article by saying "Amelia's magazine" does this and this, and has this specific function in the industry. If you're particularly worried that someone will tag your article, you could write a brief note on the talk page explaining why you think it's notable, and hopefully no one will nuke it. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well from a quick glance - Vice Magazine has been the subject of discussion in publications such as the New York Post over a period of ten years. The article you mention seems to have circular references that just go to myspace pages and the like. You need to find mentions from other publications about the magazine not just what it says about itself (and blogs and myspace are no good in that regard). --Charlesknight 12:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Articles are generally about magazines that are read by millions of people or, as discussed above, have received attention from other notable publications like the New York Post. An article won't fit the required notability criteria if the magazine isn't notable to begin with. It's mention on Myspace and blogs means it's probably not a suitable subject. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, points taken, well how about the Marmalade Magazine page? It is small but a very similar thing, and that doesn't have any notes about notability etc

well that just means that page might need to be deleted or tagged for improvement - how does that establish notability of the page YOU are working on? well it doesn't. All that happens when you point out similar pages is people like me head over and give them a good kicking... --Charlesknight 13:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well no it doesn't, I just thought that because it hadn't been tagged, it meant it was fine; rather than meaning you hadn't got round to tagging it yet, if you see what I mean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sen3tah (talk • contribs) 15:38, November 16, 2006 (UTC).

Yes, I'm afraid the latter is the case - "X has an article on Wikipedia, my subject is similar to X, hence my subject is notable enough for Wikipedia" is not an argument, because there is no centralised Wikipedia "notability police" that makes sure every article on Wikipedia meets the notability criteria at all times. Your best bet is always to refer back to the notability guidelines (which you already seem to be an expert on!). If you feel that the subject in question falls under these guidelines, go ahead and write the article, trying to not only describe the magazine, but also why it's notable. Has it won any prizes or awards? How large (and wide) is its readership? Is it notable in some other way? Try to find other articles, books, journals etc which mention or cite Amelie's Magazine, these often provide good supporting evidence of notability.

I just wanted to say that it seems you have already done a good deal of research, which I think it great, and which sets you apart from many other editors writing their first article from scratch. I hope you stay with us at Wikipedia! :) — QuantumEleven 14:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Article

How we can add Article?Nileema 03 12:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please see Wikipedia:Very_Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_create_a_new_article?. However, since English doesn't appear to be your first language, please consider contributing to the Wikipedia in your own language. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If you're sufficiently proficient in English, and think you can create a good article, we still encourage you to do so, however. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 12:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

x marks the spot

How can I begin to see my pictures again? I do not see any of the pictures associated with Wikipedia. Instead I see a small box with an "X" in the upper corner.

Did you check your browser settings (usually under Tools -> Options or something similar)? There will be an option "display images" in there, make sure it's checked. Are you behind a proxy server (eg in a large corporation)? If so, that may be the reason. Do you have any ad-blocking software installed? If so, try turning it off to see if that solves the problem (some ad-blocking software gets overly zealous). Is this just a problem on Wikipedia, or on other websites too? — QuantumEleven 13:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

i have noticed it only on wikipedia.

Sometimes Wikipedia' servers get a bit slow, and the pictures don't upload properly. It's nothing to worry about. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I cannot see them at all:(

Removal of categorization template

Sorry - I am being a nuisance this morning! but just need help with one more question. I ommitted to categorize my article on Emmett Tinley but have now done so (though will probably recategorize it sometime.) But there is a box at the top of the article which says, 'Please remove this template after categorizing. This article has been tagged since November 2006.' I have tried everything including right clicking but no delete sign appears and I can't get rid of the template. Does this mean my categorization isn't right or is there just something I am not doing to enable me to remove the template? Thank you for your invaluable assistance!

The template appears as a normal part of the article, wrapped in {{ }} signs. Edit the article and you will be able to delete the template (and the brackets around it). Notinasnaid 13:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• I've removed it here. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

References section missing

What has happened here? If you look at the project page it has no references, but if you edit the page, a references section is there. Any thoughts??? AndyJones 13:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone had left a half-open tag which was hiding the rest of the article. I've closed it, but that particular reference is missing now. Try looking in the history to see if you can find it. --ais523 13:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done: would never have spotted that! Another problem then, if I may. Judging by the history, the reference should point to http://www.kenja.com.au but I've no idea what the wiki syntax for that is, where the reference has a name. Can you tell me how to fix that (or maybe do it for me and I'll learn by example!)? AndyJones 14:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Editing an image description

Hello. The image Buenos_Aires-Puerto_Madero-Hilton-River_View.jpg[2] has an insulting comment in Spanish below it. I tried to edit it out but I can't find the way to do it. Could someone tell me how it's done? Or if it requires an admin, could one of them do it? Thanks! ironcito 14:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, removing that isn't as simple as it looks! :) The image in question is not on Wikipedia, it's stored on Wikimedia Commons (link), the description needed to be edited there. Even though I don't speak Spanish I could make out more or less what was written as a comment, and you're right, it's spurious and I have deleted it. — QuantumEleven 14:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

When we add Co₂ the production of biogas increases why?

Try asking this question over at the reference desk. —Mitaphane _talk 15:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

hard hat

which are the stores or shops in london, havering borough that sell hard hat please?

Wikipedia is not a directory - try looking it up elsewhere. Trebor 18:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

My contribs

Something very strange is happening. my contribs are not reflecting my actual edit history. If anyone wants to help please post on my talk. Thanks! Amists ^{talk • contribs} 16:56, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to be more specific. If your contribs are wrong, we can't well verify the change, can we? But in this type of case, the problem is usually human error - you probably misread your contrib history. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If you have made edits to pages that have subsequently been deleted those edits will not appear in the contribs. --WikiSlasher 07:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting a username

How do I delete my username and my whole page?

User accounts can't be deleted for copyright reasons; see WP:U. You can request the deletion of your userpage by placing {{db-user}} on it. --ais523 17:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Original research vs. deficit in research

Hey everyone.

Just wanted people's opinion on an issue about WP's OR policy. I am currently preparing an article on Erdheim-Chester disease. Unfortunatly, due to the rareness of ECD, there is no widely accepted treatment. I have presented the treatments that have been tried, with varrying levels of success. There is also some case studies available that discribe various treatments and their levels of success for a particular individual. This could be considered OR, however, I feel that it would be useful to the reader to add, for example: "Two patients were reported to respond to prolonged therapy with vinblastine and mycophenolate mofetil (Jendro et al., 2004)." Is there a way to disclaim that treatements for ECD are still under research and there is no consensus amongst physicians? I'd prefer to add the information and disclaim it, than simply leave it out. Let me know. All the best! --JE.at.UWO^U|_T 17:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If "Jendro et al" is a paper published in a respected journal, then that's not OR, even if it's only one or two patients, and even if you are Jendro (or al). As long as you say the study was tiny and its results thus very far from definitive, that's quite reasonable. If the study hasn't been published in such a journal (or another reliable source) then it mustn't go into the article. It would be reasonable, however, to put in an exlink to the page of a group studying the condition, even if they've not published (so long as they're respected folks in the field, and not wackos). That might be accompanied by a one-liner description which said something like "Researchers at the university of whereever report limited success using poke-with-a-stick therapy [link]". -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Ha, "poke-in-stick". Thanks for the help, that all makes sense. I guess I misinterpeted the OR policy. Cheers --JE.at.UWO^U|_T 17:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding Categories

Dear Wikipedia,

How do I place my topic in a particular category? For example, if I want to place my subject in the Actor's category, how would I do that?

I tried the Edit functions, but I did not see any options for adding categories. Thank you for your assistance, and I love your website because it's full of great information for my work. --Melissa Kavanaugh Melissakavanaugh 17:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

At the bottom of the article, place a [[link]] to the name of the category, using a 'Category:' prefix. For instance, to categorise an article into Category:Actors, type [[Category:Actors]]. See also Wikipedia:Categorisation. --ais523 18:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone keeps changing the "Hamster Huey" section of the Calvin and Hobbes entry

The book "Hamster Huey and the Gooey Kablooie" was published long after the Calvin and Hobbes strip ended. I keep adding information to that effect in that section of the Calvin and Hobbes entry, but someone keeps changing it back (possibly for Mabel Barr to help promote her book). They also keep saying that either "in the last year of the strip" or "in a 1993 strip, Watterson revealed the author to be Mabel Syrup" or "Mabel Barr", and that there was a sequel," neither of which are true statements. Is there a way to have this entry locked to keep Mabel Barr and her supporters from putting her book in a better light than it deserves? Thanks4.228.240.111 18:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• When edit wars disrupt a page from remaining in its proper form you report them on the Wikipedia:Requests for page protection page. However looking at the situation you have I doubt it is serious enough for page protection. Calmly leave a message on the talk page of the article and alert the editors that a consensus must be reached before changing the information back and forth.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 18:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Also note the importance of filling in an edit summary. By making a major change without an edit summary, and without bothering to get an account, you are making it very likely that people will revert your changes, and you don't need a conspiracy theory to account for it. You can check the article's history for comments from anyone who reverted your changes in the past. Note too that your IP address has only ever made one change to the article. Presumably the other changes were from different IP addresses, making a discussion with you impossible, another vital reason to register. And I would very strongly recommend you not repeat the accusations you have made, as they are of no importance in seeking the correct answer and only get people cross if they are wrongly accused. See, it's not enough to be right, you also have to do things in the right Wikipedia way. Let's hope for an amicable solution. Notinasnaid 18:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference inside a page

Hi I'm trying to reference an area inside my document. In HTML i use the code show bellow, but it's not wiki compatible.

<a href="#shortcut">Link to dest</a>
zzz
zzzzzz
zzzzzzzz
<a name="shortcut">Dest</a>

Diegoramos 18:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

See WP:CSD. The numbered list has, I believe, an example of what you are looking for. —Centrx→talk • 21:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Colors of pages

<div style="align: center ; background-color:black"> <font color="white"> I inputted this into my userspace and it worked but when I put in my talk space every thing turned black. How does this work and how do I fix it? --Ælfwine 21:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It works as it's supposed to; what you've done is to set the background color as black, with white text. To fix it, either change the colors or remove it. Bjelleklang - talk 21:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I link to Wikipedia from within my own website?

Can I link to Wikipedia from within my own website?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.131.10 (talk • contribs)

What do you mean? Of couse you can put a link to WP, but what do you mean by your question??? Cbrown1023 22:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Legally, I'm fairly sure you are allowed to link to anything in Wikipedia from your own site. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That's kinda the idea of wikipedia... i think the HTML code is:

<a href="THE URL">THE TEXT YOU WANT TO SHOW</a>

but idk... Cbrown1023 23:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that is the correct code. You can create a hyperlink to pretty much any page on the site. No need for permission. -- kenb215 talk 04:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• You can link to anything you want. That's the point of the internet. The problems come when you open material from other sites in frames to save your own bandwidth (bandwidth leeching) or pass it off as your own (plagiarism). Just a regular link or banner is fine. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Dang userboxes

I can't figure out how to make a userbox and it's driving me crazy. Sombody help me!

Wikipedia:Userboxes has instructions, although I'm not sure that will help you. —Keakealani 23:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That thing is so frustrating. I can't make sense of it. --Mr.Weirdo 02:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

November 17

List of events on dates

How do I get a timeline of certain dates or just a list of events for certain dates?

216.180.114.25 00:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but if you type March 20 into the search box for example, that will give you everything that happened on March 20 throughout history. Same goes for years, like 1834. Hope that helps! Cephyr 00:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Electronic Voice Phenomena

I have a suggested rewrite for the section concerned with Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP)[3]

I attempted to correct what is on the page now, but it is so full of errors and misdirection that I think a different approach is called for. As a director of the American Association of Electronic Voice Phenomena (AA-EVP), it is my job to contribute material, but I am up against a hard schedule and all I have been able to do is produce the text on a word format.

I can offer the text, and offer answers to questions. I have no problem with the text being changed or added to so long as evidence and factual reporting are kept in mind.

Can you direct me to a means for including this material on that page? I will admit that it looks like a full-time job to figure out how to make the changes myself.

In advance, thank you for your assistance.

If you have a suggested change for an article, try using the article's talk page: in this case, Talk:Electronic voice phenomena. If no one responds to your comments within a week or so objecting, I would go ahead and make the changes, but make sure you use Wikipedia formatting, keep the article verifiable (see WP:RS and WP:V), and you'll want to use the edit summary as well, so people don't think you're making changes at random. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

My whole article was deleted.

A man named Philip Riteman came to our school, a holocaust survivor. I wrote a WHOLE ARTICLE on him today, and because I made a mistake in listing an external source, the entire thing was deleted. How do I get it back?

Mattjblythe 00:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No offense, but in all likelihood the problem wasn't in the citing; it was likely the fact that he wasn't notable. Not every Holocaust survivor is notable; at least not by Wikipedia guidelines. Sorry. DoomsDay349 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah not all of them are "notable" by wikipedia guidelines, so they speedy delete them without worrying about the possibility that some of them might be. Kappa 01:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

There is some process by which people can undelete articles, but I couldn't give you the link. There's little chance, IMO, but if you feel strongly about it you can do it. Someone else can throw the link out. DoomsDay349 02:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Deletion Review. When creating an article, you will need to state right in the text of the article why the person is notable; generally, a person will need to fulfill the guidelines put forth in WP:BIO. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I just don't see how an article about a gay porn star is more notable than an article about a holocaust survivor, a page that i know A LOT of people would be interested in seeing. 24.222.212.152 23:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Article in Category page?

The category page for Category:Pakistani politicians has an article at the beginning of it, and I'm not sure what the right thing to do is. Do I delete the article portion? Do I copy the article to a new page before deleting from the category page? Do I just tag it with some maintenance tag? Is there some nice template I can post on their user page to help the person who is trying so hard to contribute? Thanks! Kathy A. 01:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've removed it... it shouldn't be there... It was also written by newbies and anons... I doubt it asserts nobility... and it's just not in the right place... Cbrown1023 01:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've moved the contents to Sanaullah Baloch, since it asserts he's a member of the senate of Pakistan. Newbies and anons can't make articles so they end up putting things in the wrong place. Kappa 01:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks much! Kathy A. 05:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Article with over 100 external links - Take along Thomas & Friends

This article just seems to be a list of over 100 external links to commercial websites. Should I delete these links, or should the article itself be deleted? I check the section that dicusses external links but that is about links at the end of an article, and these are placed all through the article. There are several other related articles that mainly consist of lists of external links;

• Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends ERTL Models
• Thomas TOMY Motorised Toys
• Thomas and Friends Wooden Railway (needs cleanup, but has so much informative prose instead of bare listings, it's probably worth keeping - Mgm|^(talk) 09:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC))
• My First Thomas & Friends
• Thomas Mini Story Library
• Thomas Character Builder
• Bachmann Thomas and Friends

172.142.123.44 02:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

That article actually might fall under the criteria for deletion under the concept that Wikipedia is Not an Indescriminate List of Information. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It does have some other text, but if you removed some of the external links, it might be OK. Just make sure you write something in the edit summary explaining your change; in any case, the person who added the links may become offended and restore them, but IMHO, it's pretty clear there are too many links in that article. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the list and added a stub template. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• One or two of those may be a legitimate topic, but the external links have to go. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• The list of character really do nothing to add to the article. Perhaps we should compile an article on Thomas the Tank Engine toys and redirect these titles here and do some serious stubbing. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• The first two links in the list are particularly troublesome, but other material could be integrated into Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends models (which itself contains a self-ref I'm going to remove). - Mgm|^(talk) 09:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• I've deleted the external links in the remaining articles, and Hornby Thomas And Friends, which was another one with lots of links. I'm not on Wikipedia much, so if anyone could watch these articles because I've noticed that there is at least one unregistered user who's tried to revert to the spammed versions, and will probably do so again. 172.201.35.137 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

editting question

Sometimes when people edit an article, they include a short note about what they changed. It's visible in the history tab, but not in the article itself. How do you do this? --murrayjames 02:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You can do that by typing a brief description in the edit summary box. For more info, see Wikipedia:Edit summary. —The Great Llama ^talk 02:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

How to Handle Bulleted Lists

I'm working on another Mediawiki project and I was wondering what Wikipedia's guidelines on lists were... Let's say you have a list of thirteen or so items, like signs of the Zodiac or whatnot. A straight bulleted lists looks so... Unencyclopediotic. Ugly even, creating lots of negative space on the right. Any suggestions or links one could point me to about how to write articles that could potentially or do include long lists (not long enough to merit full articles)?--Htmlism 02:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Try looking at Wikipedia:lists. I haven't checked it out in full, but it will probably be helpful. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Put the items in two columns using an invisible table? Help:Tables - Mgm|^(talk) 09:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Articles that link to themselves?

Looking at the article Harpactirinae, I noticed that one of the article's wikilinks (to Baboon spiders) links back to the original article via a redirect. Is this good form, or should this link be removed until such time as the Baboon spider article exists?

dpotter 03:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The link should be removed. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with template

This template:

Is missing the 40's TV schedule articles, which have been created by someone. I dont know how to edit the template myself, So does anyone know someone who could.DesignForDreamingFan 03:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

To edit a template, go to Template:TemplateName. In this case, Template:US TV schedule. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I just said I dont know how to edit it! DesignForDreamingFan 03:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

What i ment was, I cant edit the template myself, It's too confusing for me. I am looking for someone who can.DesignForDreamingFan 03:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. Although, there don't seem to be articles for '40-'46. Dismas|^(talk) 04:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I dont think they had scheduled TV then, Thats why there are no pages. Thank you!!! DesignForDreamingFan 04:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not a vandal.

Hello,

I was reading a page on Wikipedia. A page about a place called Monteria in Colombia. There was a sub-section entitled "Important People In Monteria" which listed some prominent identities.

Some bozo had added their own section, something like "Unimportant people in Monteria" and had listed some other names. To me, this looked like abuse of the page.

I clicked on edit and simply deleted those lines.

On my next visit to Wikipedia, I noticed I had a message:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:203.184.29.182&redirect=no

At the above URL I am informed that vandalism is not tolerated and given a link to vandalism, just in case I didn't know what vandlism is.

As already stated, my intention was NOT to vandalise a page, but to undo what I saw as vandalism.

Please review the before and after edits of the "Monteria" page and make your own decision (although it does appear that a decision on my action has already been made.)

It looks like someone made a mistake. You only removed vandalism; the message may have been meant for someone else. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Account creation

I have just created account in wikipedia.Do I have to pay for it?

No, Wikipedia accounts are free. There is more information about accounts at Wikipedia:Why create an account?. --ais523 08:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• And if you are unsure whether you have to pay, it's a good practice to ask before you sign up. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

factual correctness

IIRC, i read something about how wikipedia is about writing about things accurately. So it doesn't matter when something is "wrong" (as in incorrect or untrue), if it exists, we're supposed to write about it accurately. Although state that it may be factually wrong if there are reliable sources to verify from.

I think it was in either an essay or a guildline, but i really can't find it. Don't suppose someone knows what i'm talking about? --`/aksha 08:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You're probably thinking of this famous quote from the policy Wikipedia:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." The rest of the policy goes on to expand on that. Hope that helps. --ais523 09:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• (after edit conflict) What do you mean by "Although state that it may be factually wrong if there are reliable sources to verify from."? Was it that even though a source may be reliable, it can be factually incorrect? Have you tried WP:RS or WP:V? - Mgm|^(talk) 09:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. ais523 already hit the spot. What i meant was that if someone published a book on why the earth was flat, and the book became famous enough for wikipedia. Then we would right about the book and how the author argues that the earth is flat, despite the fact that it is the truth the earth is round. --`/aksha 10:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

This is really the only way Wikipedia could work. Consider, for instance, that there are articles on creationism and evolution. There will be many people who believe that one is right and that the other is wrong, but they are not allowed to delete the opposing article, because verifiability overrides their belief (or certainty) of correctness. Notinasnaid 14:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah. I understand. I just needed the actual guideline page, because i was quoting it in a debate with another editor. And i don't believe the said other editor believed me, so i was trying to find where the quote came from. --`/aksha 02:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

External link

I have to add an external link given below. So how can i add it?

(\\salos\d$\Dralasoft\dw3.4_winx86.exe)202.56.245.162 10:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• That is the name of a file on your local computer network. You cannot add this as a link to Wikipedia, because only people on your local computer network could read it. You also should not link to EXE files. What is it that you want to link to, and in which article? Maybe we can suggest an alternative. Notinasnaid

Blank line bet 2 rows

I want a blank line between 2 rows while editing a file. How can i do it?202.56.245.162 10:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Add a blank line in your text, like

this. Alternatively, you can put <br> anywhere you want the cursor to drop to the next line. --Kainaw ^(talk) 15:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

What to do when user talk page is an advertisment

I have found User talk:Anmsoft (thank you for the tip, 202.56.245.162) which seems to have been created as an advert. I am not sure how to proceed, since normal criteria for deleting an article don't seem to apply here. Any suggestions? Notinasnaid 10:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Blatant adverts like this are an abuse of the userspace. Since this was the user's only edit, it doesn't appear as if he wants to contribute. I've blocked them and deleted the material. (I think it's actually a speedy criterion under its userspace heading. More questionable cases can be sent to WP:MFD. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Zork I Record Walk-through

                       Stylin’ Through the GUE
                A 231 Move Solution in five easy trips
                 through the Great Underground Empire

"Zorksters will quickly agree that the thief’s unpredictable and disruptive appearances greatly befoul strategic planning. Despite expert advice that the dangerous thief must be avoided until later in the game, the efficient suggestion proposed by Jacob Gunness way back in 1990, recognized the importance of eliminating this wild card as soon as possible. His solution took 311 moves, however, which can be easily improved upon. As if to illustrate, the following scenario scores 350 points in only 231 moves, and furthermore allows for lunch and a drink on the way to the Stone Barrow."

This is how my record walk-through begins. For the last few days I have been trying to post it in the Wikipedia, but to no avail. The three walk-throughs there posted all take over 300 moves and can easily be improved. I managed to tune up the Plot description, but I cant't seem to get my walk-through submitted.

Bill Piercy

• Thank you for your interest, but this does not seem appropriate for Wikipedia. If I may quote Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information/current consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not simply... video game guides". You may be able to find other sites that accept game guides, or create your own site. But I hope you will be able to stay and contribute in other ways. Notinasnaid 10:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Annoying template

Hi Helpdeskers - my template I made bugs me. I made the template Template:J-League Teams Of the Year, just by copying the frameworks of Template:FA Premier League seasons, which works as a navbox template and changing the links. But the Template:J-League Teams Of the Year doesn;t look good on the pages it's transcluded on. It has loads of "style="background:#bfd7ff;"|" crap on those pages. Can someone change the template so it works? Thanks --Dangherous 10:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Can you give some examples of pages where this happened? The first few links I've seen don't contain any of the code you described. Did you actually add it by using subst: or anything? - Mgm|^(talk) 10:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) It's a bit tricky to explain. Suffice to say, it centers around the noinclude tags, and the {{fb start}} template that was contained inside them. I've gone ahead and fixed up the template so it will work the way you want. To see how the original template might be "fixed," see an example of its use at the bottom of Arsenal F.C.. But, if you're happy with the way it works, right now, no problem. :) Hope that helps! Luna Santin 11:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it looks fine. Thanks --Dangherous 11:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Other Language

Dear Sir, I need help on how to make my profile availabe in two languages, for example, there are lots of articles available in many languages on the left side of the page, so how can i make my profile available in many languages. Thanks SeMiTiC

• It only needs to be available in the languages of the Wikipedias you edit otherwise you might attract questions/comments in a language you can't respond to. To do that, you need to sign up at the relevant projects and create Wikipedia:Interwiki links. Remember, though, Wikipedia is not the place to promote yourself. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi!

I just tried to create a redirect cross-reference to provide automatic redirection from "panantheism" (which didn't exist in Wiki) to "panentheism" (already there).

But for some reason my

1. REDIRECT Panentheism

which I just created is merely displaying an arrow with "Panentheism" at its right instead of actually PERFORMING the redirection to the desired item.

Please fix this if you'd be so kind, and also let me know what I did wrong so I can avoid the problem in the future.

Thank you!  :-)

Bruce

That isn't what you typed. You typed

1. REDIRECT PANENTHEISM

and there is no article by that name! Wikipedia is case sensitive. Notinasnaid 14:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding blog external links regarding factual events proving blog contents correct

Here is an interesting one:

A recent blog entry stated that Google were going to do certain things following the purchase of YouTube. The blog, although anonymous, appears to be from someone inside Google and makes fascinating reading. Now it appears what they say would happen is happening. Is it acceptable to place this as a link on the page? - do blogs equal verfiability accord to Wiki guidelines - if what they say was going to happen does happen, and this gives the writer a lot of credibility and adds great interest in the article JulianHensey 15:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No, in general blogs (and particularly anon blogs) certainly aren't reliable sources. The exception to this is where the blog is a direct publication of the the specific corporation, agency, person, or entity in question. So Google's corporate blog would be a reliable source for information about Google, and a politician's blog would be a reliable source for their opinion about something. And even in these cases we have to be sure that it's really that person - so a MySpace page that claims to be written by Britney Spears isn't a reliable source, but one on her official website would be. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

What about link to blogs rather than a statement of fact? A link to a discussion forum (or blog) about an article is surely acceptable without any statement of fact in the article? A link with "certain allegations regarding the take over have been made in blogs" for exampleJulianHensey 15:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Anyone could say anything in blogs. I know how interesting unsubstantiated and anonymous rumours are, but that doesn't make it encyclopedia material. Notinasnaid 16:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of image

Argggh - help please! I have waded through the Wikipedia article on Image copyright tags as well as having read several other articles about the use of images, and I don't seem to have taken anything in at all!

I want to use a pic which I found through a Google images Search of the singer Emmett Tinley about whom I have written an article. I wrote to the owners of the image - his record company - and they have given me permission to use the image wherever I like, just saying, 'No problems - go ahead.' So obviously I have permission to use the image, but have no idea what to call the tag - whether it is copyrighted or what. I am a complete beginner in this sort of thing so any help as to what to do now I have received permission to use the image would be greatly appreciated!

--Needs fixing 17:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

A safe bet would be to add the {{Promotional}} tag under the image description.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 17:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

editing

I am an engineering scientist and I wrote some additions to the entry for Peep and the Big Wide World, and educational television show. Yet it was like talking to a wall. I can write on a wall, but my additional short paragraphs -- well -- it's clear you have to be a computer geek to make this site work, and while I'm a geek, I'm not that kind. I do not know how to edit HTML nor want to know.

lskarin

Actually, the whole idea of Wikis is that you don't have to know how to edit HTML nor want to know. Do you have a specific question that we can help you with? Notinasnaid 18:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Have a go at the Wikipedia:Tutorial. If you can post a question here, you can write a basic article too. You have pick up the harder things one at a time so you don't get overwhelmed. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

HOROSCOPE

THIS MONTHS PEOPLE MAGAZINE. WANTED TO KNOW ON THE SIGN OF TAURUS. THE TRANSLATION OF THE HOROSCOPE IN ENGLISH....PLEASE I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE OF IT BUT, I WANT TO KNOW THE WHOLE THING. PLEASE IF YOU CAN HELP ME. THANKS JOZZIE.—Preceding unsigned comment added by JOZZIE (talk • contribs)

• This desk is for help regarding editing Wikipedia or Wikipedia articles. Maybe you should try your question at one of the Reference Desks?¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 20:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Probably Humanities... Cbrown1023 20:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI- All caps is considered yelling, please check and make sure you caps lock is not on so that you are not construed as yelling. Thanks, --Frozen at 0° 20:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism of a user page

I have just found a user page (User:Elkman) that appears to have been vandalised. The warning templates seem to be genuine (?) except for the last one. To whom should I report this and how do I do it?

If you look at the page's history, it seems that the user put all that there. So I wouldn't say it's vandalism per se. Dismas|^(talk) 20:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

User has been given a 24 hour block; if he returns, it will probably be indefinite. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm

What doi do? User:Aelfwine Has had his page deleted and has not made edits in a long while. I stumbled acrossit while Trying to find my user space. My question is, could I redirect his user space to mine to save problems? Oh yes, sorry, If my account is too closely related to his I will change it. --Ælfwine 21:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No - it would be confusing, because people looking for his userpage might think that you were him. It's common practice to redirect userpages once someone has changed their name (e.g. User:Last Malthusian, my old username, redirects to User:Samuel Blanning, as does the talk page). It's generally not a good idea to have the same name as another account, so if you're not hugely attached to that name you can request a username change at WP:CHU. Besides, I and probably most other Wikipedians have no idea how to type in that AE thing, so I would have difficulty finding your userspace just as you did. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 21:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, Aelfwine with an Ae has never created a user page. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 21:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Aelfwine (talk · contribs)'s last contribution was on 27 October 2006 which means they could come back. I really don't like say to this, but Aelfwine's first contribution was on 7 October 2004. At the rate you're going you though it will only take you a few days to surpass the other one's edit count ;) --WikiSlasher 04:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you get a list of Wikipages that reference a given page?

Is if possible to get a list of all the Wikipages that link to a given page?

For example if I wanted to see all articles that linked to "Brazil"?

Thanks,

JBonsie

Yes, click "What links here" in the toolbox on the right left of the screen. Trebor 21:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Photo permission

On a whim, I e-mailed J. Hillis Miller about permission to use a photo of him on his page. He replied most graciously in the affirmative, even attaching several high-quality ones, as well as his CV. And he says he uses WP "often" (not bad for a 78-year-old Distinguished Professor of English)!

Question: Is there someplace where, for legal safety, I should deposit his message? --zenohockey 22:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to check the permission you have, permission to use it just on the article or just on wikipedia is insufficient (see here). Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission contains a few boilerplates of what should be asked for, and the second paragraph there includes what you should do with regards posting copies of the permission onto wikipedia. --pgk 22:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. Okay, I've sent him a more detailed description of the GFDL terms. Thanks. --zenohockey 03:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You could also post a copy of the message on the image description page if you would like. Cbrown1023 04:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Sean Connery

Oi on the article on sean connery, someone has messed up the personal life section. Fix it! (im here because its so complicated to get questions answered) —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazySlyHawk (talk • contribs)

Hi. That was fixed about 2.5 hours ago, and should no longer be a problem. If you can figure out how to do so, you can try Wikipedia:Reverting and Wikipedia:Vandalism for ways to handle the problem. If you have any more questions, feel free to write back. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

November 18

Please help, Im in desperate need!

Dear whoever this may concern,

I just created an account on this website, and I want to know how to change a picture on a wikipedia page. See, I want to know because there was a picture i wanted to change, so I went on "edit this page" and where is said "image" I wanted to put in a picture, but I didn't know how. So can someone please tell me..please?

Thank You

To change a picture, as opposed to the accompanying text, you have to upload a new image to that location. However, it's better in almost every case to upload it to a different filename and change which image the relevant articles link to. To learn about linking to images in articles, read the picture tutorial. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 00:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, please remember to sign posts by placing four tildes (~~~~) after a post on a talkpage :) Bjelleklang - talk 01:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

How can I figure out what to edit?

How can I figure out what articles to edit? The thing is, I have absolutely no interest in any particular topic, so it only comes down to two things

1. Whether I can find sources
2. Whether I can actually write about it (i.e. not incredibly complicated sciencey stuff)

I have access to UCSC library catalog and its online journal holdings BTW. Rampart 02:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, what I tend to do is one of two things:

1. Find something I'm interested in in and search for sources
2. Find a random source in the library and edit the topic related to the source

There's also User:SuggestBot, but that takes longer. --Wafulz 02:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It depends in large part on what you're interested in, but for starters, try the Open task page (also visible on Wikipedia:Community Portal and many userpages). Some of the larger and better-run Wikiprojects also have their own open task page for tasks relating to a particular subject. There's also Wikipedia:Requested articles and other pages like Wikipedia:Most wanted articles. Or you can just try hitting Random article on the sidebar. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 02:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

redirects don't work?

This morning I tried to make a redirect twice and on both occasions it didn't work. For example,

#redirect milliard

gave me

1. redirect milliard

in stead of making an actual redirect. DirkvdM 05:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You may have some text/space above it. It should also be in caps: #REDIRECT [[milliard]] Viridae^Talk 05:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, when one creates a redirect to xyz, the page as he/she sees it upon his/her previewing (or maybe even saving) reads 1. REDIRECT xyz; only upon the page's being refreshed does the redirect arrow appear, but the redirect is fully functional in either case. FWICT, the redirect function is not dependent on one's using majuscule, but Viridae is quite right that text/space above a redirect will impair its functioning. If you simply didn't attempt to create the redirect upon your seeing the 1. formulation, you should feel free to try once again, but if the redirect didn't otherwise work (I don't see any redirect to milliard in your history), you might try Help:Redirect, although I can't offhand think of what in specific might have gone wrong. Joe 06:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make things far simpler, just click the button on your toolbar that shows #R and then fill in the highlighted text. DoomsDay349 06:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• The correct code for redirects is #REDIRECT [[Link title]]. 'Redirect' needs to be in capitals, and the # needs to be attached to the word that follows. All of that needs to be the first code on the page. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Image Uploaded possibly improper-like

I wanted to upload a picture of me for my userpage, so being bold, I simply did so. But, I tried to put it at Image:Shingen/keyconpic.jpg - but it uploaded to Image:Keyconpic.jpg - is this proper, or should I upload it as something like Image:User-Shingen-keyconpic.jpg or whatever? Teh Shingen 06:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Keyconpic.jpg is sufficiently obscure, there's no real need to change it. But if you'd be more comfortable, drop me a line and I'll delete it for you. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

print

how can I print subjects of wikipedia?

Click the "Printable version" link in the toolbox on the left side of the page. Then, use your browser to print it (generally under File -> Print). -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• If your browser plays nicely with Wikipedia, it will serve the printable version when you hit the print button in your browser automatically. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

uploading and describing images

I have been having a LOT of trouble trying to work out how to upload and describe images. There seem to be so many rules and technicalities that for a novice like me it is like trying to read a foreign language! However I THINK I have figured out most of the stuff I need to do but just wanted to check before I press the upload button that what I have written is okay. I have used the Wikipedia Upload file page to write in my details but wondered about the Source filename. Why is there a Browse button after it? Does the filename have to be called by the name which is used by the supplier of the image rather than a name which I have given it? Also, I am very unsure about what to do about sizing of the image. The image is in normal size at its destination, but enlarges when I right click on it. Will this happen when I upload the image and include it in my article? And finally, the guideliness on how to include an image in an article say the link which should be used is: File:File:jpg What would I write here? I have given all the details about the image I want to use below - I now need to know if this is okay and a bit of help with the things I am unsure about. Thanks.

Source filename: Emmett Tinley1 (Browse) Destination filename: Emmett_Tinley1.jpg www.independentrecords.ie Creation date: unknown Author: unknown Permission: Independent Records {{Promotional}}

--Needs fixing 11:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Has every article(-version) a unique id?

Hi,

I need to know, if really each article within Wikipedia has its own unique id. We want to refer to Wikipedia articles by mean of the id. It is also important to refer to a certain state of the article, because we want to restore the old content directly by accessing a particular URL.

I checked the XML schema, that says:

<complexType name="RevisionType">

 <sequence>
   <element name="id" type="positiveInteger" minOccurs="0"/>
   <element name="timestamp" type="dateTime"/>
   <element name="contributor" type="mw:ContributorType"/>
   <element name="minor" minOccurs="0" />
   <element name="comment" type="string" minOccurs="0"/>
   <element name="text" type="mw:TextType" />
 </sequence>

</complexType>

So, minium occurrence of the tag "id" is 0, unfortunately. It is optional. Nevertheless, can someone convience me, that every page has its unique id? I saw that old versions of each page can be viewed by using the old id like http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=76496351 for Albedo.

Finally, is it true, that each article id refers to a particular version of the article?

Thanks for your answers.

Best regards,

 Dennis

91.4.124.132 11:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes each version of each article has a unique id. Look for the permanent link to any version on the side bar near the bottom (below the search box). That way if you refer to that link, you will always go to that version regardless of the current version -- Lost^(talk) 15:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that information. I did not recognized the "permanent link". But it is still confusing, that the - apparent unique - id is still optional in the XML schema for the XML dump, you can download. 91.4.124.132 16:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is a bit odd to define the schema that way - my guess is that for some kinds of export and import, the ID of a revision is unimportant, since the importing system will need to assign its own unique ID anyway (e.g. if you import a single article into another instance of MediaWiki, the chances are, those IDs will refer to something you already have in the target DB). As far as the database itself is concerned, every revision must have a unique ID, because this is how it is identified internally.

One further thing to note, though, is that there is also such a thing as an article (or page) ID, which does not refer to a particular revision, but refers to all revisions of a particular page. [You can, for instance, rename a page, but it's still the same page, because the ID doesn't change.] So the answer to your second question is technically "no, but the revision ID does". - IMSoP 19:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding images is almost impossible!

Argggh - I just want to give up on this adding images thing. Nothing I do is working. I pressed the browse button next to the name I had given the image I want to use( which I called Emmett Tinley1) but a number of pics appeared which I had already uploaded into My Pictures just for my own use.

I don't know whether it is 'wikiquette' (if that is the right word) but if someone could just add the image I want to my article I could supply all the necessary info including who I obtained permission to use the image from and would be inordinately grateful. The pic I want to add to my article can be found on The Prayer Boat website and the image URL is: www.irishmusiccentral.com/theprayerboat/emmett/et_emmett_2002.jpg though typing that into Google doesn't work. It is easier to just go into The Prayer Boat's website and the pic I want to use can be found there under images, then photos, then Emmett Tinley - it is the 9th picture of Emmett wearing a scarf and a grey jacket.

Sorry if I am going too far in asking for so much help. If I am, I will keep trying (though probably unsuccessfully!)

--Needs fixing 11:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your problem. You click upload file on the left, right? Then you add the source file (that is to say the picture you want uploaded) from your computer using the browse button. You can't add it directly from a website; save it to your computer and then select it under browse. Under Destination Filename, add the name you want the picture to get, e.g. EmmettTinley1, then in the remaining two sections add the licensing and reasoning behind it. Trebor 11:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Images

Thanks Trebor. I'm not sure I understand my problem myself!! I am just really feeling my way round this adding images thing which seems so complicated to a complete novice like me. I will try your suggestions then come back for more help if I don't succeed. Thanks!

Still can't add my image

I have uploaded the image I want and saved it on my computer under My Pictures. I called it EmmettTinley1 but when I press browse, a sign comes up saying, 'the filename is invalid.' I just don't know what to do next. Help! --Needs fixing 13:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I uploaded the image to [[Image:Emmett Tinley1.jpg]], I'm not sure what the problem you had was (I took the liberty of resizing it to a lower-resolution, as that's a requirement of fair use). I'm not sure what rationale you are using it under, so please change the page so it is correct. Thanks. Trebor 13:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much Trebor but what do I do now? As you have uploaded the image it is presumably on your computer - how do I add the image to my article? If it wasn't too much trouble for you to do that I would be hugely grateful. If not, I am going to have to wait till I can get someone more computer-literate than I am to help me as I am getting into waters a bit too deep for me!! But thanks for your time and trouble.

--Needs fixing 13:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

To put the image into a page, include the text [[Image:Emmett Tinley1.jpg]] where you would like it to appear. You can do other things to it following the instructions at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. --Cherry blossom tree 14:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Yehh, I have done it!! Many thanks Trebor and Cherry blossom! Couldn't have managed without you! Now all I need to know is how do I erase the copyright table underneath?? --Needs fixing 14:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the copyright info you'd put in the article, it's only needed on the image page. All you need to put on the article is [[Image:Emmett Tinley1.jpg]] (although including a caption is usual (see here). Trebor 15:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Just one more question guys! How do I change the blue dashes to better looking grey lines to surround the image?

--Needs fixing 15:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The dashes came because you'd included spaces before the image. I have removed them and moved the image to the top right. --Cherry blossom tree 15:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of language on Wikipedia

I have noticed recently that someone is going round a lot of different articles placing the "British" English words alongside the American English counterparts, for example adding "Nappies" next to an article referring to Diapers. Could we please get some sort of clarification as to which version to use on Wikipedia, since I think getting the whole issue clarified once and for all would be most helpful. I use British English as a whole, although I am not a native English speaker, but live in the UK. I just wonder how others feel about this. Your help would be welcomed. -- Thor Malmjursson 12:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

There is already a guideline in place. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English. Dismas|^(talk) 12:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally Thor, being British myself, I much prefer the English usage of words. I think that words such as nappies, motorway and tap are far more recognisably understood by none native English speakers than are diapers, freeway and fawcett. JMHO but the trouble is that so many writers on Wikipedia are American and so obviously their terms are what they think in. Spelling is a problem too, particularly the American none use of 'u' in words such as 'colour', 'favour' etc. But I quite agree that the usage of language should be clarified. In a real encyclopaedia - say Britannica - there would be complete consistency of spelling and language usage. --Needs fixing 12:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

True, but Wikipedia is a collaborative project. That and it makes little sense to include British spellings on American articles (especially when brand names are involved, a company may produce "diapers" not "nappies" and putting "Nappies" in would start a lot of unnecessary confusion. --Wooty Woot? contribs 19:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

There would never be agreement over which to use - I would not enjoy being forced to use American spellings, nor, I expect, would they relish having to use British. So we use whatever seems most appropriate for the article in question - it's not that important anyway. Trebor 19:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Expansion of "stub" on Guglielmo Libri

On November 17, I edited and expanded an entry on "Guglielmo Libri".One paragraph of the revision is not shown on the new entry, except for part of the first sentence, which is shown within a boedered area. Why is this? did I do anything incorrectly? Thanks, L. Mangiafico

If a line begins with a space (like this) it gets treated specially.
This is intended for showing computer source code and the like.
I fixed that specific article for you, by taking out the space. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

delete

hi, i made a website about myself a while ago but people are abusing the rights to edit it so i cleared the page of all the text and pictures. however, i came back a few days later and people had added it all back on again- is there any way you could delete my account or the 'Dattas' entry? thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dattas (talk • contribs)

Hi, could you please post the complete link to the article? Bjelleklang - talk 14:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you referring to your user page, User:Dattas? Cbrown1023 14:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Just report the people vandalizing your user page. Nobody but you or an admin can touch your userpage. --Wooty Woot? contribs 19:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Don't forget to log in before you blank your userpage. If you do it as an anonymous user with just an IP address, people might think that IP is vandalising your userpage. I've blocked the people that vandalized it. -- Mgm|^(talk) 09:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone tell me what article to edit

What is an article I can edit with absolutely no background knowledge? That is, a topic where I can just read a book about it and improve it without any risk of me making the article worse? HELP I NEED TO GO TO THE LIBRARY IN 30 MINUTES!! Rampart 20:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

A good way to find articles that need elaboration is to look through the stub pages (articles that need to be expanded). Find a stub category (Category:Stub categories) and click on topics from A-Z. When you find a stub category you know about, click on it and scroll through the pages listed in that category. If there is a page that interests you, click on it and start to add on some beneficial edits. Hope this helps!¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 21:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• Don't forget to cite your sources so other people know where you got the information from. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Category creating

This is the only type of page i haven't created, someone tell me how to make one.Mitchazenia(7600+edits) 21:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Just go to the name of the category you want to create, add a description of what the category contains, and add [[Category:NameOfCategory]] to all of the pages you want to be in the category. Nihiltres 21:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Or you can put your new category in an article, then save the article. When the page reloads, click on the red link for the category and create it the same as you would any other red link. Dismas|^(talk) 23:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Delete uploaded image

Hi. I uploaded a portait of Sarah Warde in order to add it to her article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sarah_136.JPG . However, the picture turned out to be too big so I have to arrange it. Can i delete it and upload the new compressed one? Thanks. Orangeberry 22:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The size of the image is fine. You can decrease the size of the image within the article. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for instructions on how to do that. Or if you mean that you'd like to upload a lower resolution copy, you can put {{db-author}} on the image page and an admin will come along to delete it for you. Dismas|^(talk) 22:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

(Reinstated replies that were deleted, below. Please add to the end of a discussion, don't change the existing points. Thanks!)

Just to check, did you take this photograph yourself, when meeting the actress? Or is it a publicity shot you own a copy of? Notinasnaid 21:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

- It's a photograph I own myself. I have full copyright on it. Please could you tell me how to add it to the article? Orangeberry 22:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC) - :See Wikipedia:Images or to summarize that, put in [[Image:Sarah_136.JPG|right|thumb|Sarah Warde]]. After having looked at the article, you may want to look at other articles for actors/actresses to standarize the format of the Sarah Warde article. Dismas|^(talk) 22:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel I must continue with this point, because copyright usually belongs to the photographer, not to the owner of a photo. I make this point because it is easy to make a mistake with copyright, and some people assume that just because they own a copy of a photo that they have copyright. This is a good picture; too good to be a casual snapshot; it looks like professional work. If you did not take the photo, do you have a written agreement from the photographer giving up the copyright and giving it to you instead? Notinasnaid 09:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

ok i will delete the picture. thanks. Orangeberry 11:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I cant log in

i have tried loging in but i cant. i am sure i have the correct username and pass word, is there any way of retreiving my login info,

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.78.238 (talk • contribs)

Could you explain what message you get when you try to log in? Prodego ^talk 21:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You also could try Help:Logging in, which details several problems people can have. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

i need help

I NEED ZAKAT TO PAY MY DEBT WILL U HELP ME ON IT BCOZ IAM ONLY 21 YEARS OF AGE FROM PAKISTAN I HAVE TO PAY RS:8,OO,OOO LAKHS TO MY RELATIVES I INVEST THIS MONEY ON KARACHI STOCK EXCHANGE BUT FROM MY MISTAKE I LOOSE ALL THIS MONEY. PLEASE HELP ME I HAVE TO PAY BACK THIS MONEY WILL U DO ANY THING FOR ME THANKS

EMAIL:*removed*

Wikipedia is not a broker. Sorry. Trebor 22:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, a Lakh is a measurement system, not a unit of money, IIRC. --Wooty Woot? contribs 22:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Installing "Hit Counter on top of Monobook"

I am trying to install "meta:Gallery of user styles#Hit Counter on top of Monobook" but am completly lost in the esoteric programming. Can anyone give me simple help on this? Thank you. --Liberlogos 21:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatly that feature has been disabled on Wikipedia to reduce server load. If you are trying to enable it on your own wiki I suggest you ask at the mediawiki site. I hope this helps, Prodego ^talk 21:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict) ditto Martinp23 21:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there now ANY way of knowing something about the affluence on a Wikipedia article? --Liberlogos 22:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You can see the top hundred here, but other then that, no. Prodego ^talk 00:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Am I entitled to vote?

I found a talk page that has an ongoing request for comments section.i voted for it. and someone asked me how i found that page.it seems like i'm not entitled to vote because of my newbie status? if so, how do i get to that status up one level from being new? (NOTE: This question was originally posted by User:Sirbernard on the Miscellaneous FAQ. I moved it here and informed the original poster. --Tkynerd 22:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

You are always entitled to share your views on an issue. At Wikipedia, we try to avoid voting (see WP:VOTE) but may use straw polls as a way to gauge support for an idea. However, the end decision should be based not just on the number of votes but the arguments put forth, so being new should not matter. That said, if your only edits are to participate in a straw poll, then you may come under suspicion of being a sockpuppet of another user which is what happened here. Trebor 23:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

expletive that should be removed.

In my browsing the title 'omar' i discovered a list of article titles and the last one on your list does not link to any article rather it looks like someone's attempt to insult someone personally. the entry contains a phonetic curse word spelled in a way which would not be screened as a curse word. please if you wouldn't mind removing it, i don't know how. thank you.

Thank you for saying this. I have removed it. If you would like to remove vandalism yourself, please dee WP:REVERT. —The Great Llama ^talk 23:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

November 19

authorship and first publication of website

im doing an assingment on Charles Manson and the family and to do my bibliography i need to know who wrote that article entitled "Charles Manson" and also when was the wikipedia website first put on the web? thanx very much

You can click the "Cite this Page" link on the left navigation bar and it will automatically cite the page in various formats for you. You can find when the the article last changed and who wrote it by clicking the "history" tab (next to the edit button). I doubt you need the date the website went on the web, but you probably want the last edited date. Note that you should never use Wikipedia as a single source, you should always use others as well. Prodego ^talk 00:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism on the Sperm whale family page

Someone has vandalised the "Sperm whale family" (reirected from Sperm whales). My browser isn't cooperating with me trying to revert the page - unfortunately someone else will have to fix this.

Done. Please check my edit. --Tkynerd 04:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Use of image uploaded by another user

Is it possible that I can use one of the images that is already displayed on one of the wiki pages (uploaded by another user ) in my article or page? If yes how do I do this.

thanks

If it is a copyrighted image uploaded under the Fair use criterion, then in all probability you cannot use it. If its a free image, you can. You will know from the tag on the image. -- Lost^(talk) 04:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Well this is the image I want to display http://te.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B0%AC%E0%B1%8A%E0%B0%AE%E0%B1%8D%E0%B0%AE:Crreddy.jpg There is no tag for this exept it says Free GNU documentation.

Also do I have to upload this again to use it in my article?

If it is free, then you can use it. But you have to upload it again in order for the image to be accessible for the english Wikipedia. I'd reccomend uploading to commons though, so other languages also can use it without having to upload for each language. Bjelleklang - talk 04:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a specific procedure you should follow to move an image into the commons, where you can use it from any Wikimedia project (ie. any Wikipedia language). Read Wikipedia:Moving_images_to_the_Commons and use the Commons Helper (step 10) to make sure you don't miss any copyright information when copying. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there a list of 'tags' that you can tag a page with?

For example, let's say I want to add a box at the top saying 'This article may be biased', but I don't know the code you type in to make that box appear (which would be {NPOV} or something). Or I find an article that is definately not written in the tone of an encyclopedia article, and want to tag it accordingly, but I don't know the code to make that box appear.

Is there a page somewhere on Wikipedia that lists all those boxes and tags and the code to make them appear? EvaXephon 05:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What you are loooking for are Wikipedia:Templates.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 05:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! EvaXephon 05:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page Blanking

There is a user who persistently blanks his own talk page. It includes fairly old warning messages. I have been told previously that blanking of one's own talk page is inappropriate and always inappropriate if it removes a warning message however old. Could someone please clarify a) whether it's acceptable to BLANK as opposed to archive a page, whether warning messages should always remain regardless of how old they are, and what steps to take if blanking is somehow a violation of policy. --Davril2020 05:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What's the user's name or IP? –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 05:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

If it's an old message, and the user has truly reformed, it's pretty much considered OK. If it's been removed, and the user has not reformed, or even worse, it's been removed because the user is purely vandalizing, it's heavily frowned upon; policy is ambivalent for the last group; in practice, obvious vandals are often reverted for it. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It's probably not good to warn a user for any weird edits he/she may have made a long time ago. They have already done lots of good edits since then, and it's always good to encourage good edits! =) –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 05:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It's this guy. Here's the previous full version (here). After rving the blank the person made an incomplete archive that left out the warning message. It's just a 3rr warning so I guess it's unlikely to be a big deal (one month old). --Davril2020 05:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I suppose since it's been quite a while, that it might not matter. So long as he learns from his mistakes, then everything's ok. Don't worry. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 06:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, he's got a problem with evolution. If you're a regular to that type of article, just keep an eye out and mention his actions if he's subject to a 3RR block again. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC) I have a similar question. I like to blank my talk page after each message, even if it's something good. This is so I can keep it looking organized and so personal messages don't get shown to everyone. Is this OK? Is there any policy against this? Rhythmnation2004 13:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Although one's blanking his talk page upon his exhausting a given thread where such blanking does not serve to remove warnings or a history of problems about which the community might want readily to know is surely not proscribed, it is, it would be fair to say, disfavored by most in the community (toward which, see, e.g., Wikipedia:Talk pages#User talk pages). Whilst some prefer simply to blank their talk pages when they become unwieldy or when they comprise moribdund discussions (often observing that, if one desires to review past discussions, he may surely use the history tab), archiving—whether of groups of messages at temporal or spatial intervals or simply of rolling messages—is generally preferred; Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page sets forth fairly simply how one might archive his talk page. It is probably best to refrain from undertaking on-Wiki conversations that you wish to remain private, but those conversations that are not immaterial to the project probably need not to be archived and may, I think, be permitted to drift away in the edit history (others may find such selective archiving to be improper, but where one takes care not to archive tendentiously, there should be no problem). If you're disinclined to take time to archive messages but nevertheless want an archive, User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Howto might be of some use... :) Joe 03:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

As an extra issue the person in question has now rved warning comments about WP:CIVIL though not actual template messages. Does WP:3RR apply to one's own talk page? --Davril2020 19:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It can't because it doesn't apply to vandalism. Cbrown1023 03:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I've known some users who just deleted all the messages from their talk page and then post a link to the version that they deleted because it is preserved in the history. This user was a well-known admin, so it seems okay. Cbrown1023 03:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

About the Law semister applications

I am a student who studying in the region of andhra university I am requesting you how can download the applications for the 5th semister of 5 years law course — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.2.221.164 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is not a form depository. --Wooty Woot? contribs 05:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Try the reference desk, though they might not be able to help you either. Like Wooty said, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a directory. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you would like to Google andhra university? Wikipedia does not store forms and other data such as college applications. We're an encyclopedia, after all. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 06:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism of Wikipedia

I saw some text on some kind of database website that was lifted in toto from a Wikipedia article I was working on at the time (Primal Therapy). This would have been at least a month back. I was busy and the piece was no longer in the article and I didn't know what, if anything, could be done about it anyway.

What should I do if I see something like that in future?-GrahameKing 06:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Was it a mirror, operating with full GFDL compliance? There are a number of those. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

No, this was a case of a just a few sentences lifted out and used as a definition on a website that provided a kind of dictionary of alternative therapies. There was no citation of the source. I wish I had kept track now. I just stumbled on it and don't think I could find it again.-GrahameKing 00:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding To Discussion Pages

I have tried to insert a comment on a discussion page but I can't determine the method or make my way to a useful page.

I wanted to insert the following on the Discussion Page about Carbon Footprint (sic):

Carbon footprints are, presumeably, produced by people who have walked through powdered carbon? Carbon dioxide doesn't produce footprints! Why are so many people so ignorant as to equate 'carbon' with 'carbon dioxide'? By the way, what word do people use to stand for carbon monoxide, carbon disulphide, carbon tetrachloride, etc - 'carbon'? Viclud — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viclud (talk • contribs)

You're doing alright for now. Firstly, to add a discussion to the end of a page, there will be a + button next to the "edit this page" button at the top. Click that, and it will automatically help you start a new topic. Second, if you type ~~~~ after your comments, then it will automatically sign and date each comment you make. The rest you should be able to pick up, I think; I've added a welcome template to your talk page just in case. Happy editing. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 10:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Relist on AFDs?

Is possible to relist an AFD from one day on another day? Example: if I have AFD from yesterday or day before and it has no consensus or needs more consensus can it be relisted today? Khorshid 10:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think so, I see it happen often. --WikiSlasher 10:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Relisting it again only a few days later is considered bad form. An admin will usually let an issue go until it's clear there's a clear consensus, or it's clear there will be none. If you're referring to the Turkish template, I would highly advise not resubmitting it at least for a few months if there's no consensus. Try to get your point stated on the page as it is. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 11:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

When the discussion period is complete, if the admin would like further discussion to generate consensus, he/she will relist it on the current day. This ususally happens if there is no consensius to reflect an opinion of no consensus - ususally when there are too few opinions, or ongoing discussion. Martinp23 11:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting User Page

Hello,

I was just playing around on here and don't want to be on this website. I like viewing it, but I somehow created a user page that is showing up in google searches. How do I delete this?

Thank You.

Put {{db-author}} on them, and they'll be deleted when an admin sees them. Martinp23 12:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving charts

On the Raven-Symoné page, there is a chart that should be in the "Television" subheading. When you look at the edit page, the code is there for the chart, but on the actual page, it shows up at the bottom of the page under "External Links". How can I move that chart back?

Rhythmnation2004 13:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The table was not terminated (with "|}"). I've fixed it for you. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

copyright / free licensing

I had originaly, wrongly posted this in the reference desk - I've been referred to here.

I attempted to upload a picture which was taken by my boss, who co-owns a company (of two tea houses) called Tchai Ovna Ltd (I'm currently trying to work on the Wiki for the place) - my boss has given permissions for the image to be used explicity but he hasn't licesnsed it in any way; the photograph is of the exterior & entrance to the shop.

I'm not sure how I would go about licensing / fair use tagging it. I previously uploaded it as available to use on wikipedia as he said that would be fine, but that wasn't alright so I tried to edit the licensing to GFDL but I believe this is wrong also.

Basically, I'm wondering what I would list the image as; it's just a picture taken on a digital camera as far as I'm aware that holds no copyright other than intellectual. I don't have much of a clue about any of this. I'd also like to point out that if I have uploaded it under false copyright that it was not done intentionally or maliciously.

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps resolve this :)

-dannerz 14:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The taker of the picture (your boss in this case) must agree for it to either be released into the public domain or put under a free license (see Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#For_image_creators for different ways of doing this). It is not enough for him to say that it can be used only on Wikipedia, it must be free to use anywhere. If he agrees, then you can upload the image with one of the tags listed on that page and a brief explanation of the details. Trebor 17:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand copyright. First, all copyright is intellectual, it's called intellectual property. Second, every photo taken gets copyright automatically, whether it's taken by a professional or is a snapshot; something posed for hours, or a picture of a house. The procedures need to be the same each time. Hope this helps. Notinasnaid 17:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for your help, I always thoguht copyright existed from the moment something is cereated it's just the names of licensing were confusing me and making me think you had to license something for it to have a copyright - but I've worked it out now :) -dannerz 17:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

from javier thank you

I know Wikipedia can be confusing for new editors, so you are welcome to ask for help at the help desk or on my talk page. --Slowking Man 14:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

yes sorry, im new and i made a mistake, by the way, i also uploaded an image that now i want to delete and i dont know how :) and where can i see the messages i have received? thanks so much all best Javier

If you get messages in reply to questions on your help desk, they will be there. If you get messages on your talk page, just click "my talk" (top of page) to see them. Notinasnaid 17:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I edited an article, but when I viewed the article an hour later, my edits were gone

I edited an article, "Potash", but when I viewed the page later, my edits were gone. It appears in the history, but does not appear in the deleted log or in a search using my username. it was my first time editing, and I am unsure as to whether I may have made a mistake, although i believe I followed the instructions carefully. Please contact me with information as to why this may have happened. Thank you. Terribenn 18:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I see the edits you made. The fact that you made the edits is only shown in the history, not on the page itself. Cbrown1023 18:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean you can't see the text you added? If so, try clearing your cache.--Werdan7^{T @} 18:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Where to start

Hi, I'm new here, and I was wondering where to start?--Anal Rapist 18:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Start by getting a name change. Cbrown1023 19:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see here for the kinds of usernames that would be best not to use. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 19:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

mailing lists for topics or featured articles

Sorry if this is answered or handled somewhere (i've tried to search around for it), but is it possible to setup wikipedia mailing lists for certain topics? In particular I think a weekly/daily mailing list of the featured articles would be very interesting (and a good way to spread wikipedia to others). Reesd27 19:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:MAIL has all the mailing lists. The Signpost has updates each week including featured and defeatured articles. Trebor 21:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Please Block This User

Please block 24.171.145.185 for making garbage edits (using the page as a sandbox) to the article, "United States Electoral College" --74.96.102.152 19:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I've checked his edit - though it is disruptive, he hasn't vandalized any other articles yet, and it may be a good-faith testing of Wikipedia's editing tools.–- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 19:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I warned him with {{test}}. Cbrown1023 19:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories (restoring question accidently overwritten )

Is there an easy way to count the number of articles in all subcategories of a given category? A big category like Category:Science for example would have hundreds or thousands of subcats, and counting all of these would take too long. Laïka 19:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Is the content of external links automatically saved with the article?

I'm a brand new editor and even though I have been all over help topics and FAQ's, etc, I haven't seen any discussion as to whether the content of an external link (to a current newspaper article for example) is saved in Wikipedia when the footnote is cited. Maybe this is so obvious that no explanation is deemed necessary?

It's come up for me in relation to an article in which the English translation of a Spanish language letter is in dispute. The original letter (and an English translation),appeared in a local newspaper and are cited in the article. Will both still be available in six months or two years for instance, even if the newspaper purges its old stories online?

R Duggan 20:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

If you use the template for citing web sources, there is a parameter called accessdate. This means the citation will show when the page was last confirmed to have the correct information, and allows you to look up the page on the Internet Archive. Trebor 21:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It might be worth mentionning why this is the best we can do:

On the technical side, storing a copy of every web-page mentionned in an article would potentially require a huge amount of disk-space, and there would still need to be some way of telling when the copy was taken, of manually updating the copy if the resource changed "for the better", of letting the user choose the real thing or the local copy, etc.

Secondly, there would be potential for abuse - just by linking to a page, you would force Wikipedia's servers to take a copy of it, and become party to distributing it, opening up potential legal and moral quagmires if the content were illegal or highly objectionable.

Perhaps most importantly, though, there are extremely complex issues of copyright involved in taking verbatim copies of someone else's website - even sites like Google and the Internet Archive have to be very careful how they deal with this, and some services request that their content not be stored in this way.

Essentially, the concept is no different to a reference in any old-fashioned publication - you might reference "The Times, 2nd Nov 2006", but you wouldn't normally include a copy of that paper, or even the article in question; instead, you'd rely on the user seeking it out, and if it became unavailable, nobody would blame you. - IMSoP 22:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

English Silversmith Charles Woodward

Dear Wikipedia:

Do you have any biographical information about Charles Woodward. an English silversmithof the 18th century?

Thank you!

Vern Hansen

I don't think so (at least we don't have a page mentioning him). If he is notable and you know anything about him, why not create a page. Trebor 21:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images in portals

Are fair use images allowed in portals yet? Wikipedia:Fair use/Amendment/Fair use images in portals hasn't been updated for almost two weeks, but it says that voting will end on the fifth of November (although it's far past that now). —The Great Llama ^talk 21:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• They can't be used on the Main Page and there's strict rules restricting their use on articles. I see no way they could be allowed in portals regardless of a vote. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Um, Fair use images are allowed on the Main Page (with restrictions, of course). Titoxd^(?!?) 02:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hello I am new and need help --Rapier of Women 22:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• You can post {{helpme}} on the discussion page (click the link) associated with your userpage or ask your question here. Have you done the Tutorial yet to get down the basics? - Mgm|^(talk) 22:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Bibliography style?

Is there a bibliography guideline around? The list at Islam#Bibliography is very long and I don't know if there is a limit it should be at. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:CITE has some information on styling citations...the manual of style might also have something, but I'm not sure. —Keakealani 23:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I've checked but I don't need information on citations. There a long list of books on Islam and I'm not not sure whether there should be and if there should, what are the conventions surrounding it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• If it's long, it probably contains a lot that can be deleted (especially titles that were put in for advertising). You should probably discuss on the article's talk page.- Mgm|^(talk) 05:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

editing the metawords in wikipedia, for example, the tabs at the top of each page

How can I edit the content of say the tabs on each page, or the popups in the editor?

Not that I want to change the English wikipedia, but in some foriegn edityons the words are misspelt, or plain wrong.

Redaktor 23:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

You have to be an administrator of the given wiki to edit the MediaWiki namespace. Titoxd^(?!?) 01:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If there are misspellings, that's a valid reason for concern. Perhaps someone at WP:VPT would know who to contact to fix it - almost certainly someone at [meta]. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You can also try filing a bug report at BugZilla. Titoxd^(?!?) 02:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• Foreign language Wikipedias are not editions in the sense they're translations from the English one. They are entirely independant projects. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

My Edits Disappear

Both yesterday and today I have edited the article on Sweet Potatoes by adding additional information concerning the production of sweet potatoes in Mississippi and the fact that a town there has an annual Sweet Potato Festival.

My addition shows up when I look at the article. However, when I log back in to Wikipedia a little later, my addition has disappeared.

Am I not saving correctly? I clicked on Save Page.

68.106.194.160 00:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I see your contributions just fine. Try clearing your cache and reloading the page. --Wooty Woot? contribs 00:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

How can I delete my account?

If necessary, how can I delete my account? Gaurasundara 01:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't, for both technical and legal reasons. However, you can stop using your account at any point if so needed. Titoxd^(?!?) 01:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You can request a change in username (though, with only 4 edits, it's usually better to make a new one). But it's important for a list of your contributions to be available to everyone online. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 02:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This post in Essjay's talk comes to mind... Titoxd^(?!?) 02:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia online user count and map?

I don't suppose there's a tool online which shows the current count and/or geographical distribution of Wikipedia users who are currently online (for maybe both named accounts and anon IPs) is there? thanks! Bwithh 02:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really. The only thing that exists is the number of total registered users, available through Special:Statistics. There's no way for us to identify who is online at any given time (and I'm not sure that is an entirely bad thing either, per the Privacy policy). Titoxd^(?!?) 03:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Red turning blue

(moved to here from WP:RD/M#Red turning blue by hydnjo talk 03:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

At one time not long ago, new users remained red and then slowly changed to blue and became completley blue after about 50 edits. Why was that changed. Anyone know? --Light current 01:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "red" and "blue"? Cbrown1023 01:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Erm how can I put this? Your name is either in red or blue on WP?--Light current 01:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of whether or not they have made an edit to their user page. If anyone made an edit to the user page then the link would appear blue. Dismas|^(talk) 01:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes that what happens NOW. But it used to turn slowly from red to blue based on number of edits 8-)--Light current 01:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

lol... I wish then we know that they are noobs and that we should be carefule not to bite... Cbrown1023 01:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No it didn't. Whether a link is red or blue has always been a function of MediaWiki determined only on basis of existence of a page, and userpage links in signatures have never been treated any differently. The links you see become purple when you click on them, due to your browser's "visited" setting. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure. Im talking about 14 months ago.--Light current 03:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I was around 14 months ago. It hasn't changed. You must be thinking of what Patstuart described below.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

There have been no changes in MediaWiki related to that since Phase 3 was introduced in 2003. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This is extremely wierd and a bit worrying then. Perhaps WP (or my computer) has a poltergeist (or virus) 8-(--Light current 03:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. You can permanently delete your cache, and you'll see all the links become bright blue again. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I know in Firefox, after you click a red link, the browser will "remember" that you visited that page, so it will become a slightly darker color of red. You might have been mistaken by this. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed that as well. Likely, that's what he means. DoomsDay349 03:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No Im not talking about that. THe phenomenon was as I described it in my Q. I was using IE at the time. But it was a WP thing because I remember User:Func commenting on it on his talk page I think.--Light current 03:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No, that doesn't happen, and it has never happened. Click here. Now, come back, and you'll see it's not the same color. Now, click here. It most likely is blue. Now come back. It should be purple. It's all due to browser's following the CSS preferences placed on MediaWiki:Monobook.css. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

First one slightly diff. Second one exactly the same color. Im using the Monobook skin. And I definitely remember this happening esp to my name when I just started.--Light current 03:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You created your userpage about forty edits after you created your account. This would seem to explain the phenomenon you describe. Warofdreams talk 03:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but that would mean my user name should have immediately turned blue when I created my page. It didnt. It faded gradually over a number of days from red to blue. Has no one else seen this happen?--Light current 03:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

When you created your page, by default, you visited it. Your browser remembered that you visited it, so it displayed it as a visited page, which is in Wikipedia, by default, purple. Then, you deleted your cache (cleared your Temporary Internet Files), which caused your user page to become "unvisited", which caused your browser to render it as blue. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I've never seen it, though I'm a relative newbie. However, this doesn't seem like a likely feature, as it wouldn't help much. I suppose it's possible it existed shortly, but my instincts (which are usually right) tell me it was the clicking problem, and your memory has gone dry after a year or so. Try asking at WP:VPT -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You can reproduce the issue very quickly. Create User:Light current/Sandbox 2, and then come back here. You will see that the page, instead of being the default blue, is purple, because of what I described above. Titoxd^(?!?) 03:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes of course. Actually on my browser/skin the link goes directly from bright red to blue!--Light current 03:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

blocking

Extremely plaintext version available?

Is there any way to get access to (some sizable subset of) Wikipedia basically in .txt form? I'd like to be able to use cURL to get just text, with no formatting whatsoever (except dealing with unicode non-ascii characters well). Preferably this would work for not just the English Wikipedia, but Wikipedia in many other languages as well. Thanks, ^L_Wizard @ 04:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really. The closest thing you get is ?action=raw, but that includes the raw wikitext, including links and everything. Titoxd^(?!?) 05:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I know there are external editors out there that can change HTML into text; this is the best I could find (into openOffice and pdf): Wikipedia:Tools#Export: Conversion to other formats. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 05:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Article Deletion

Someone (possibley an employee) has posted an article about our company and is using our company logo on this website. Although the entry talks good about our company, I would like to have it immediately removed because I do not feel this is a proper place to be "advertising" our product/services. What do I need to do to have this entry deleted?

Thanks 71.195.205.39 06:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell us what the article is, that would make it easier to tell you. Try WP:AFD for a start however. Viridae^Talk 06:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

(After edit conflict) Articles for Deletion is the proper venue to nominate an article for deletion. However, if it's survived to become a good article, then chances are it's notable enough that people would want to look up your company on an encyclopedia, and we strive to make the encyclopedia as comprehensive as possible. A better alternative, I think, would be to edit the article so that there is no tone of advertising and it maintains a neutral point-of-view. It would not be an advertisement if it were purely an informational article detailing the pros and cons of such a company, really. I'm not sure what the deal is, though, and if this falls in the same scope as Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. —Keakealani 06:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It also depends; if it's awful and blatant advertising (not too likely), you could add {{db-spam}} to the top of the article; if you work for a company that isn't all that well known (much more likely), try {{db-corp}}. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 06:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Annoying...

"A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked to. This is in line with the conflict of interests guidelines. If it is a relevant and informative link that should otherwise be included, mention it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it."

A couple weeks ago, as a new user here on wikipedia, I started a help discussion. I run a woodworking and finishing shop in Florida. So I created this page: [4] and came here to ask what people thought. It says in the guidelines that if there is a possible conflict of interest, start a discussion on it to let others decide. So, that's what I did.

Anyway, everyone liked it and agreed it wasn't spam. I don't have ad's, links, or other junk on the page, only pictures and descriptions of each picture. After everyone approved, I added it here: [[5]] I also asked about making more pages like it and got good feedback so I ended up adding these two links to the appropriate wikipedia pages aswell:

[6] [7]

I was planning on making more tutorials on woodworking and also more picture pages. So tonight as I was browsing wikipedia, I noticed Scott removed all three of my links calling them spam. Now, I don't have a problem if my links and pages are not wanted here, but I am pretty upset that everyone O.K.'d my links to just have them called spam and removed a few days later after I worked hard to create them.

As you can see, the pages are not spam. They have no ad's, pop-ups, links, or other stupid crap on them. The raised panel door link isn't even able to have links, it's a PDF tutorial on making raised panel doors. Now why would this be called spam?

Woodworking and computers are my two hobbies, I figured this would make for a good combination and allow me to add some cool things to wikipedia. If my content is not welcome here, I understand and hold no grudges. Again, I started a discussion about this situation and my external links to be sure everything was OK, everyone liked my links and thought it was good content. I don't want to keep wasting my time if my work is going to simply be removed and called spam.

Thanks for taking the time to read all this. Looking forward to your feedback on this issue. --Naples 07:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Barry

OK everyone, I'm going to go to bed. Last time, my question got many fast replies. I figured this time would be the same way, guess not lol

I will check back tomorrow to get the final word on this. I added my three links back for now. If they are deemed "spam", then feel free to remove them. If they are acceptable, please tell Scott to stop calling my work spam. OK, talk to everyone later. Barry--Naples 08:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Nothing about that is spam, and I don't see any reason why it should be reverted. You're fine. --Wooty Woot? contribs 08:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I did some searching through your contributions, and the contributions of the IP which appears to correspond to you: I couldn't find anything on the discussion pages about it. The only discussion I found was at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous. They may have OKed your links there, but there's no way ScottW would have known that. If you have a good reason to provide the links, it would be best to leave a message on the discussion page of the article with the link. That way, people can see why you added it, and if someone takes it out, you can just put it back in, and say, "look at the discussion page." Good luck and thanks for editing.

(BTW, the speed of the response totally varies; it all depends on who's online and happens to be watching the help desk). -128.118.113.19 08:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well thank you. I specifically went out of my way to make them as UN-spammy as possible. Then when I saw his comments, I got a little offended I guess.
OK, I'm really going to bed this time! Will check back here tomorrow to read others comments. --Naples 08:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

external links

In this section of a talk page, there're two full http links.

The first one has the "external link" symbol next to it, the second one doesn't?

Why? The two links differ by only one letter. And they're both just straight copy and pasted from the url line. Yet one gets the external link symbol and the other doesn't.

--Saintmagician 08:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I see two links, and two symbols, both in my firefox and safari browsers. -128.118.113.19 08:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Article on Pope Benedict XVI

Hi The article on Pope Benedict the XVI is extremely insulting and I can't seem to edit it. How do I do this? when i go into the edit page the parts I want to edit don't show up. Just to show you what I mean it says in the opening paragraph:

"He was not elected on April 19, 2005 in a papal conclave, celebrated his Papal Inauguration by making steamy man chowder with his dingy in a Mass on April 24, 2005,(people thought that this was supremely arousing) and took possession of his really, really big cathedral, the Basilica of St. John Lateran, on May 7, 2005."

How do I either edit this or report the article so someone either takes it off or fixes it.

Kirsten

I'm looking at the page, and the edits aren't there; it also appears the edits haven't been there for some time, which means that you're having a problem with your cache. Reload the page (hit the reload button while holding down shift), and the edits should disappear. -128.118.113.19 08:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

As a prominent world leader, Pope Benedict attracts a lot of vandalism. What you saw was the article after it had been vandalised. You should be able to click on the "history" tab and revert to the last version before the user who vandalised it and return it to its original state. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes

How do I organise my userboxes in a neat little box? (Mine are all over the place now.) --Littleghostboo[ talk ] 08:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Try adding this:

{|name="userboxes" id="userboxes" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 248px; border: {{{bordercolor|#000099}}} solid 1px; -moz-border-radius:10px; background-color: {{{backgroundcolor|#FFFFFF}}}; color: {{{textcolor|#000000}}}; {{{extra-css|}}}" align="{{{2|{{{align|right}}}}}}" !<big>[[WP:UBX|Userboxes]]</big>

Then, for every userbox, type this code

|- align="center" |{{name of userbox}}

Finally, end with

|}

Feel free to ask me if you have any other questions. =)–- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 08:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I can do it for you if you'd like. ;) –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 08:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

An easier way might be to add {{userboxtop}} at the top of them, and {{userboxbottom}} at the bottom. -128.118.113.19 08:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)