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== Politics ==
{{main|Politics of the Netherlands}}

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Please do not edit archived pages. If you want to react to a statement made in an archived discussion, please make a new header on THIS page. Baristarim 20:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Culture

I removed "The country is home to the greatest number of UNESCO World Heritage Sites (41)" from the introduction. I moved that to the culture heading. That does not need to be in the introduction. As if it is not long enough already. - Galati 16:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I would suggest a text about "Italy, secularisation and religion": http://nagypt.ingyenweb.hu/italy/ITALY.HTM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zsidlex (talk • contribs) 08:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Idiotic Vandalism

Just fixed some stupid change of the entire page. Ulyaoth 02:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It happened again. I fixed it. LupoGrigio146 16:50, 14 December 2006 (not logged in)

Region name

I am Italian and "Lazio" is simply "Lazio". I've never heard the Latin name "Latium" anywhere, and it is confusing put it there because it seems like it was the word actually used by Italians, which is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.205.213.166 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the ENGLISH Wikipedia, not the Italian one. While not common as Lazio, Latium is used in English to refer to that specific region. --Fertuno 01:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Even though this is the "ENGLISH" wikipedia, as you so helpfully point out, Lazio is a more accepted term, and far more popular even with English speakers. It would be good to note it, and next time you can leave your attitude at the door. - Izzo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.25.52 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your point above was that Latium is a Latin word, that you never heard that name anywhere, and that is confusing because the word isn't used by Italians. Well, as a matter of fact Latium is also used in English despite you denied it, while not as popular as Lazio exactly as I wrote, and the fact it is not used in Italian is irrelevant on the English Wikipedia. Next time don't try to twist the argument, please. --Fertuno 20:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I never left the first point, I always sign my comments. I don't know who left the first point. MY point was that: I. You have a bad attitude that is not welcome on Wikipedia. II. Lazio is a more accepted term both among Italians and English speakers. Those were MY points. -Izzo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.25.52 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I take it you two are both italian? I am english and have lived in england my whole life and have NEVER EVER heard the term 'latium', however i have reguarly heard the term 'lazio' to refer to italians from that area and there are many italians living in this part of london and the only word i've ever heard for them is lazio. Fertuno, if you're going to learn english learn it properly!!!!!! Kjwwww9 12:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, i'm english and the correct term is lazio, fertuno! 84.69.69.207 00:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to Lazio. I don't doubt fertuno knows more about italy than i but as a native speaker of english from london i can tell you for certain that Lazio is the correct term. The term 'Latium' is considered archaic in modern english and have never heard it used. I wouldnt go onto the italian wikipedia editing articles against the advice of native italian speakers. I think fertuno should accept he's wrong on this occasion. Kjwwww9 12:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I believe the actual english term is lazio. I look at it this way: wikipedia is a democracy and according to this talk page the favoured term is lazio and fertuno is outnumbered 4-1, therefore i believe it should be left at lazio. The page for lazio was moved from latium to lazio a while back as the result of a landslide vote against the term latium BY ENGLISH SPEAKERS FOR YOUR INFO FERTUNO! The same should apply here, leave it at lazio. Willsamuel 15:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY - Regards, Evv 18:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol, thanks for that evv i wasnt aware i dont read the policy stuff. However i'm sure the correct term is lazio and considering fertuno's admission on his userpage that he isnt fluent in english he isnt exactly qualified to dictate what the correct name is. I booked a holiday to the region a couple of yeas ago and every travel brochure/agent i went to refered to the term as lazio, if you search for news stories on the region on the BBC for example you will hear the region refered to as lazio. The only time i ever heard latium was when i studied ancient rome at school, so i agree with kjwwww9 about the name being archaic in modern english. I think lazio should stick. Willsamuel 20:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought i've read what evv suggested i read and it does say that consensus may be reached by discussion. That is exactly what we have done we havent literally voted. Out of interest evv what is your opinioun on this: Latium or Lazio? Willsamuel 20:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

lol I was only trying to improve readability in this talk page, but after seeing that comment I just couldn't resist the temptation of linking to WP:NOT :-)
My general perception is that both forms, Latium and Lazio, are fine: both forms are used in English to refer to the modern Italian administrative region — as a simple example, the NGS map Italy, of February 1995, uses "Latium" only, while the BBC uses "Lazio" only.
It is also my general perception that tourism-related material tends to preserve more the local forms than non-touristic publications.
In any case, I think that the issue should be discussed at Talk:Lazio (where it has been raised), and this article should merely use the form under which that other article is (right now, Lazio), for consistency with it. Only if/when that other article is moved to "Latium" should that form be used here too, again, for consistency. - Best regards, Evv 01:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks evv. I've checked the main article for the region and it was moved from latium to lazio some time ago, therefore for consistency as you said, the name should be left at lazio. Willsamuel 20:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Official Language of Italy?

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In italy there isn't an official language! it's wrong say that italian is the official language! Francesco Ts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.72.87 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


20 December 2006

I've seen it casually mentioned that Italian is the official language of Italy. It seems like an obvious match, certainly, but does anyone have any support for this claim? Credible support would include a statement of Italian as official language on a government website, embassy website, an international organization with Italy as a member, etc. Any ideas, folks? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.247.5.96 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly it's just a de facto thing (unless it's in the constitution somewhere). Government and parliamentary business is (presumably) conducted in Italian, statutes are published in Italian etc., etc., so in some sense at least that is the "official" language. David Underdown 16:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Italian is not the official language of Italy. Recently a right-wing party presented a project of law to make it the official language, but there is already opposition to it, both from the right and from the left side of the parliament.
Alex2006 12:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
L'Italiano (Italian) it's the official language of Italy [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.140.16.191 (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Law number 482 (December 15th, 1999) says that "la lingua ufficiale della Repubblica è l'italiano" (the official language of the Republic is Italian) italian laws --Mike Monean 15:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Germanic Invaders??

Wouldn't Germans be more appropriate in the immigration section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.106.216 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Italy

Is there a Wikiproject Italy? + How many editors regularly contribute to this article? I am interested in the near future to do some work on it, so just curious.. Baristarim 21:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there certainly is a Wikipedia:WikiProject Italy, but I'm not certain how active it is. I contribute to this article relatively frequently but not on a regular basis. Since creating the Culture section I've been more busy with reverting vandalism. Sicilianmandolin 03:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks! I will see what I can do. Cheers! Baristarim 04:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The UK

The second paragraph under "Industrialisation, World Wars and Fascism" should read and link to 'The United Kingdom' and not 'Great Britain'. I'd change it myself, but can't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.40.49 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have made the changes :) Matchrthom 18:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dialects

I think that the "language" section is a bit misleading. For example, it says that "sicilianu" (sicilian) is spoken by almost everyone in Sicily, but that's absolutely not true. I am Sicilian and I can barely understand it, let it alone speak it fluently. This is pretty common among middle-class (and above) families, where "speaking in dialect" is generally considered impolite. I cannot vouch for other dialects, of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.38.93.249 (talk • contribs) 10:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For whatever reason, Ethnologue, which is generally a good source for these things, thinks that almost everyone can speak it. Perhaps you might consider that you can speak it even if you choose not to. In any case, we have to rely on the sources we can find, so generally an article will reflect what others have published, no matter what one's personal experience is. Reverse Gear 10:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Being able to speak it is another thing. Almost everyone, me included, can "imitate" the language simply by modify the inflection and the tone of italian words, however that's not sicilian. I assume that the article talks about the language, complete with vocabulary and constructions. It seems to say that all Sicilians are active speakers of the language, speaking it everyday and in every situation, which is simply not true, despite what Ethonologue may say (I live here). Channels are in italian, newspapers are in italian, school lessons are taught in italian and most educated people speak in italian. I am just pointing this out just in case, I am surely not going to start an edit war for this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.38.93.249 (talk) 11:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Economy

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Italy is ranked as the 8th largest economy in the world in 2006! WROONG! 7TH LARGEST ECONOMY!
Francesco Ts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.56.72.87 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


At one point it reads: "Italy's economy has deceptive strength because it is supported by a substantial "underground" economy that functions outside government controls." What does it mean? The Mafia? Tax evasion? How can this assertion be backed up? (oh, I forget, it's "outside government control".) Wikipedia should be a source of information, not a reinforcement of stereotypes. If indeed the phrase refers to tax evasion, then maybe it should be applied to basically any other democratic/capitalist country with a high GDP where I am certain that it happens (but... well, I can't prove it). But if refers to the mafia instead, oh gosh, then it's even worse... maybe I should just keep quiet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.18.14.35 (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

...And we shoul also add a section about the flying donkeys very common in Italy. They usually feed with pink frogs and some of them even speak with humans. Of course, these tipic Italian animals are outside the government control. --Stefano 19:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think it refers to tax evasion, which is translated into Italian as "sommerso" (that is underground). I can't find figures now but tax evasion in Italy is one of the highest amongst 1st world countries. --Fertuno 17:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Fertuno, asking to the unsigned user / Jan, 11 2007: Economy gross product is not supposed to be responsive to taxes (which represent direct revenues and not actually an economy product/output), submerged is a measure to quantify the percentage of not proved (estimable) product per work total output (measurable), even it is agreed that this comes for (and allows) burdens elusion. Have A and X same ability,(1) A produces B and proves B while (2) X produces Y+Z but prefer to avoid prove of Z: in second case the output is two times the first case’s output, but same burdens shown, Y+Z is the output (total wealth) from X, Z is the percentage of submerged of Y+Z; since Z is estimable while Y measurable, Y only is used in statistics (which need comparable and well measurable terms), Countries with submerged show a total Economy Power output to be B+(Y+Z): being Z not proved (and being it not well comparable among Nations, having different characteristics), Economy Gross output is considered to be B+Y only, plus submerged (Z): Countries come to compare per B+Y terms. This is assumed to be submerged Economy: the wealth produced by that part of work not directly measurable. It is studied as the "Matryoshka" System and legal Companies also show that. Mafia, as well as each of the criminal organizations, isn't statistically included, nor even estimated, since totally illegal: this doesn't join Economy output but it's differently measured per different terms and it has a presence, even stronger, in many other high-developed Countries. Lys 19:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ITALIA

Regarding the reversion of my last edit by Cori:
Vitulia is a Latin word deriving from Vitulus (bull), i.e. the direct translation of ITALIA and ITALOS. It is used by Roman authors (Livy, Virgil) who cite the Greek myth of Hercules and the bull, explaining how Italy was supposed to have got its name. In other words it's got nothing to do with the section. Miskin 15:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames of Italy

Why somebody cancelled the "Belpaese" nickname of italy? It is used very often, more than "Stivale". Belpaese (=beautiful country) is the real nickname. We should revert to it but i can't... when will be the article unlocked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.226.1.234 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I restored it. --Fertuno 23:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SPORT

Why the references about italian basketball have been erased from the culture/sport section ? pallacanestro is the 2nd team sport in Italy and the Lega A1 is in the 3rd or 4th best basketball league of the world.
To not say that the probable 2006-2007 NBA rookie of the year will be Andrea Bargnani and Italy won the silver at Athen2004 ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.4.104.220 (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things: Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 19 Feb2007 00:34 (UTC)

Administrative divisions: Provinces

The excerpt: All regions except the Aosta Valley are further subdivided into two or more provinces (provincias).

Hello! I'm Italian. I only want to remind you that the italian for "provinces" is "province" (singular: "provincia") and not "provincias".

Thanks. - Lawks A' Mercy 21:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Population

For the exact amount of italian pop do not read the CIA factbook et similia, but please read the ISTAT web page: http://demo.istat.it/bilmens2006/index_e.html (2006 data)

For metropolitan areas, I suggest this file from OECD [2]

Conte di Cavour 12:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Articles on Kingdom of Italy from 1861 to 1946 needed as well as others

Wikipedia articles about France and Germany are divided up each new regime they adopted, like the French First Republic, second republic, empire, etc. to present day France, as well as Imperial Germany, Weimar Germany, etc to present day Germany. The same should be for wikipedia on Italy. I have made changes to the article on the Italian Social Republic to make it more like other articles depicting historical nations, and would greatly appreciate if others could help in completing more pages about Italy such as the Kingdoms of Italy from 1861 to 1946. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by R-41 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Touristic Informations

I'm glad if you wanna add OpenItaly.NET Collaborative Touristic Portal, that is a free and open resource. Thanks, O-Zone —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.167.125.9 (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Gramatical Errors

Because I am a new user, I cannot change gramatical errors in this document. If someone else would be so kind as to change the now-spelled 'kilometre' to the word 'kilometer', under the section Population, second paragraph, end of the first sentence. It would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You!! Reckrap 16:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kilometre is an accepatable (British) spelling of the word. There's no need to change it. We like to think there's a difference between a metre (a unit of length) and a meter, something that measures, e.g. the amount of electricity you have used. David Underdown 16:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thank you for the explanation of this mistake. I gladly appretiate it. I did not know that there where two different spellings of the word.

Thank You!! Reckrap 12:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On emigration

On item 2.4 of entry= "ITALY", you should consider that BRAZIL was a major destination for the italian exodus, in a much larger extent than, say, Uruguay, France or Australia. 67.100.183.191 17:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graphiti

I just deleted what some lame-o just wrote: "annika, you'll never figure it out!!!!!! Bryan Maurais rocks!!!!"

Until Later the One and only Reckrap 19:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Italia (Roman province)

Dsm needed because of Italia (Roman province). Maybe {{otheruses}}? --89.172.123.91 17:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually someone turned Italia into a disambiguation page. That was correct and logical, I think. But it is a bit of a pain as it has lots of incoming links, nearly all of which probably intended Italy. (Several people used [[Italia]]n as a shorthand version of [[Italy|Italian]].) —Ian Spackman 08:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dai ragazzi - Let's go guys

Facciamogli raggiungere la classe A a ques'articolo!!!

This article must reach A-class on the quality scale!!!

Conte di Cavour 14:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're doing an excellent job improving this article, Cavour. The Germany article just recently obtained featured status, so let's use the article as a guideline for improving this one. One of the biggest faults I can see with the condition of this article is the lack of references/citations and the occasional POV. Let's fix this and get this article to featured status. Sicilianmandolin 23:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cough cough :) Turkey or Canada would be a better starting point - Germany article has huge problems. I was present in the FACs of both Turkey and Germany. The history section of Germany is really bad - it is too long. An FA country article would need at least 80 inline citations. Just an advice :) Baristarim 23:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or have a look at other FA country articles if you would like. Again, Germany made FA by chance in a way - that's why there are still edit-wars in that article. Baristarim 23:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advice. Actually, I had already noticed a couple errors in it, including the mention of Mozart as a native of Germany in the Culture section. I replaced his name with Wagner's. :P Sicilianmandolin 11:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for the compliments :-) Anyway I'm using the UK artcile as a guidline, cause imho it's more "professional".Conte di Cavour 14:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Today I've requested an assisment for this article... Conte di Cavour 15:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, here is my two cents :)

  1. certain sections are way too long.
  2. Languages section shouldn't even exist, it should be reduced to a paragraph under the Demographics section.
  3. Ditto for history. Five subsections is way too much.
  4. In the external links section the repetitive use of "Italy" should be avoided, it is obvious that we are talking about Italy :) See [3] (done)
  5. There needs to be a "Italy-related topics" template to be listed under the see also. See [4] and [5] (done, but could use some work/additions)
  6. Cities should be mentioned under admin divisions, not demographics
  7. Geography section should be only one section, with no subsections
  8. Religion needs to be cut down to a paragraph and included under demographics
  9. I would strongly advise to use Turkey and Canada as references for article structure - not anything else. They are the best country articles on Wiki, and that's the kind of structure and logic that needs to be followed - as is this article is way too long and disorienting in many places, they should only be short summaries and give other specialized articles as "main", and hop, change the subject. UK article is really not good, the general concensus in the FA candidacy pages is that an article shouldn't comport subsections. It is normal, since if an article has subsections, it means that its prose is not good enough to summarize the subject and instead resorts to cutting the flow of the article into creating "compartments" of info - an article should flow..
  10. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style - something linked in the section shouldn't be given as a see also, and all seealso, mains, furthers should be the first line of the article and not at the end
  11. Notes need to be formatted per WP:CITE
  12. There shouldn't be a transport section - it is an encyclopedic article and that information seems too touristy and/or specialized. Do not combine to another section - simply remove it
  13. But the first thing is the history section: cut it down to a third of what it is now - the article sounds like History of Italy rather than Italy. Do not use Germany as a reference for this: that article literally sucks in its history section, this was mentioned in its FAC and people said that they were going to work on it but no-one did..

Anyways, just some pointers :) I wish I had more time to get involved with this article but I have so much to do. I also had to restructure Georgia (country).. But I will try to help out as much as I can. Cheers! Baristarim 00:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Valuable pointers you've supplied, indeed. I'll get started very shortly. Sicilianmandolin 04:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Baristarim, thanks a lot for your advices! I concord with you almost in every point, except:

2)Languages...Italy has, like no other country in Europe, a very large number of dialects, that are regularly spoken in italian regions. Those dialects are so different among them, that are out and out languages. A Siciliano speaker has serious difficulty to understand, for example, an Emiliano speaker.

6)I belive that cities and metropolitan areas shoud me mentioned under demographics, because they are simply demographic phenomenons and not administrative subdivisions related things.

12)imho there should be a transport section, because I belive that it's can be useful to comprehend a country's status of developement (there is analogous sections in many articles of european countries).

As for grammar and style: my english is terrible, in fact I limit myself to make tables, add pictures, update datas and accomodate other minor things. If someone can improve the article under the style aspect is absolutely welcome. Conte di Cavour 17:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is in better shape now, but there is still room for improvement. Some sections are still a bit long and need to be expanded in new articles. I find the sentence "Italy is very famous for popular foods like spaghetti, pizza, ice-cream and risotto" to be unworthy of the opening section... perhaps it should go under cuisine or elsewhere. Mariokempes 17:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This history of Italy forgets a lot of things.

This version of the history of Italy forgets a lot of important things: the medieval Kingdom of Italy (888-1015), the Age of the Condottieri, the battle of Lepanto (where the Italian States played the main role), Francesco Morosini, the great doge of Venice, the name of King Victor Amadeus II, first king of Sardinia, the birth of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies (1734), the resistance of Savoy and Bourbon in Sardinia and in Sicily during the Napoleonic invasion the Humbertinian Age (the colonialism in East Africa until the battle of Adwa), the conquest of Libya, the battles of Cape Matapan, Keren, El Alamein, and Sicily in WWII.

Unification

Should the "Formation - Unification 17 March 1861" be included in the infobox? The 19/20th century Kingdom of Italy has little or nothing to do with the modern Italian republic. Different borders, different government, different laws, etc. All they share is the name and some land. --NEMT 13:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sports

I've been pretty protective over the Culture section for a while now, but I can't help but notice that my usage of the word "sports" in the paragraph is excessive. Anyone up to the editorial challenge of improving that? Thanks. Sicilianmandolin 03:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New European vector maps

You're invite to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/wangi 12:59, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More graphiti

Someone wrote steve's cool on the intro, so I removed that...I have also noticed that the introduction is quite lengthy!

Climate

Why someone removed the external links to snowfalls and winter photos from the "climate" section ?

* Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). --Beyond silence 01:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Italian origins

Italians are embarassed to admit most of us have genetic links across the Mediterranean to include North Africa and the Near East. There is no reason to be ashamed since most of this link pre-dates the founding of Islam.

"us"? pretending to be of italian origin on the internet to push your racially motivated propoganda (whether you're nordic supremacist or an afro-centric) does not neither make you a) "us", or b) correct.-- SalvoCalcio 23:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, we are still ddiscussin a small 200 years of Sicilian history (not quite the Italian peninsula). To even say that most Italians have distant Middle Eastern roots is an extreme overstatement. I guess Italians should start claiming their Germanic roots as well.
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