User talk:Patrick/June 2007 - Feb 2008

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WRT to your recent edit of the Dashes pages, will you please take a look at the comment against retaining the preference for hyphens in titles, and provide a rejoinder? Tony 08:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My edit only fixed a broken sentence. Anyway, thanks for letting me know there is a discussion on the issue.--Patrick 09:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finite

Hi Patrick. I disagree with this edit you made. Of course an object is not a number. But do you ever say a "finite object" meaning an object of finite diameter, or do you say "finite set" meaning an object of finite measure? Because, if not, you are not talking about the object being finite, but about its diameter or measure being finite, which is indeed a number. Thanks, you can reply here. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For example Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel mentions a finite object. Even though bounded is formally a better word, mentioning something on this on the page finite seems useful.--Patrick 08:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The term "(in)finite hotel" is used in a very informal way in the Hilbert's paradox of the Grand Hotel article, and the way it is used there is clear from the context (number of rooms). I don't that is general usage.

One should find better reasons for including things, rather than what you did for sequence when you added the fact that "finite sequence is the same as sequence with a finite number of terms" based on some sloppy writing of some previous editor at sequence space.

Are you saying that when you opposed clearing up that inconsistency you had not even followed my link to sequence space?--Patrick 23:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As otherwise it is just too easy to add misinformation and confusion to articles. I'll cut out the mention to "finite object" meaning "object of finite diameter" at finite unless you can come up with references for that usage (and not just some obscure website). That per Wikipedia:Citing sources. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See e.g. universe: it discusses whether the (theoretical) universe is finite or infinite.--Patrick 23:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, the word "finite" has an informal meaning too. But then its definition should be informal also. I replaced "finite diameter" and "finite measure" with "finite size". Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PD-PCL question

Howdy, I noticed you created the above template and I was wondering if you could answer a question about it's application. I'd like to use some of the state maps from the Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection and add references (or shading) to the various American Viticultural Area in those states. The FAQ linked in the templates says that we may "use them as you wish" so I'm assuming that we can alter them with due credit and link to the original map. You template doesn't have any reference to a map being altered so I'm wondering what additional tagging that I may need to add to the maps that I upload. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 07:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems from commons:Template:PD-PCL that we should not use this template anymore anyway, and refer to the original source instead. If you are going to upload the image to Commons (which is preferable) you can best ask there, I am not an expert. Perhaps you need separate tags for the original and the change, where the latter could be commons:Template:PD-self.--Patrick 08:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rigid body

Hi Patrick. It appears that you wrote most of this article, and there is good info in there. I have a suggestion though. Do you think the article could be made more acessible? The concept of rigid body is rather elementary, but the first section in the article starts with configuration spaces, which is rather technical math. Any ideas of how to simplify at least the first half of the article? Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The first two sentences of section one (the section after the lead section) could be moved down; in section one we can put in that place a simpler sentence about combinations of translations and rotations. What follows is more elementary, just vectors and matrices.--Patrick 07:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have done that.--Patrick 07:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it looks much better now!

And I have a question about the notation in the kinematics section. Does one need to write

\mathbf {r} (t,\mathbf {r} _{0})

there or is it enough to write

\mathbf {r} (t)

, so dropping the

\mathbf {r} _{0}

(also note that now both the notation with r_0 and the one without r_0 is present). Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The notation was a bit sloppy, I fixed it. Since some quantities depend on

\mathbf {r} _{0}

and some do not, it seems good to mention this dependence when applicable. The motion of a rigid body is about the position etc. as function of the two variables.--Patrick 23:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Death Proof

The 120 version of Death Proof was released separately from the Grindhouse double feature. As the information that an extended version was created is already in the body of the article, it doesn't need to be mentioned in the infobox. (Ibaranoff24 13:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

It is much too US-centered to consider non-US info too minor to put in the infobox. Please revert your deletions.--Patrick 14:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is about Grindhouse as a double feature, not Grindhouse as seperate films. In the future, please reply to my talk page rather than your talk page so I can get back to you sooner. (Ibaranoff24 21:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

When did I delete info? The info was still in the article, it just wasn't in the infobox. There's a difference! I put in a footnote on the runtimes of the individual films that includes the runtime of the extended version of Death Proof. What was wrong with that? (Ibaranoff24 14:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Transformers

Because it's a comic book and novel that serves the story of the film. It isn't just a film: this whole new fictional universe is a major push on Hasbro's part to reinvigorate a franchise. Alientraveller 13:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free use disputed for Image:TramStop.jpg

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Sorting

I just turned to you for a little help. I saw you have added Class=sortable to Tabu's filmography table. I did the same in the Preity Zinta page, cause I found it as a good idea. Now I changed the filmography style of Zinta, and the Class=sortable doesn't work properly. Could you help me please? Thanks, --Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See m:Help:Sorting#Limitations.--Patrick 10:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. So I can't display it on this king of table? --Shahid • ^Talk2me 10:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what you mean by "king of table". For tables for which sorting makes sense I recommend that cells extending over multiple rows and/or columns are avoided, so that sorting is possible.Patrick 11:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My bad... I meant "kind" --Shahid • ^Talk2me 12:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deceased (disambiguation)

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Shortcut templates

I'm not sure this is such a good idea. Why are you replacing shortcuts with templates? Just expand the shortcut to the full link. --- RockMFR 18:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The full link is fine, but if somebody does not want to type or copy the full name, a template is a solution to keep it readable. Also on talk pages.--Patrick 23:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fire sale

I inserted mention of the fire sale in the Plot section and piped the link to the explanation on the Wikipedia article. Hope that works. I did consider the "see also" template to be out of place. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TfD nomination of Template:Cod

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Subst help on furvg template

Hi Patrick. Thanks for coming to help on User:KieferSkunk/furvg with the subst issue. Unfortunately, I already tried most of that solution, and it didn't work. :/ Unless I'm missing something in how the template is used. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have to add "subst=subst:" in the test call. Also, Template:Non-free use rationale should be adapted.--Patrick 23:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Now it's working! :) I fixed a couple bugs, including leaving the outer "Non-free use rationale" template intact as a template (since that's what the bots are expecting). I've updated the documentation and the examples, and it appears to be working perfectly, given the extra "subst=subst:" parameter in the call. Thank you very much! :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cpnt

Template:Deprecation notice --MZMcBride 16:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect of WP:IM

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Template:Age in years and days

To: User talk:Patrick. Hello. I have three quick questions for you, please. Thanks. On the following page, Template talk:Age in years and days, you indicated that you added some documentation at Template:Age/doc about wrong input. Question 1: Do you agree or disagree that similar documentation should likewise be added to the following page: Template:Age in years and days ...? Question 2: If you do agree, are you yourself able to edit that page in order to add such documentation ... or who is? Question 3: I noticed that the following page is protected from being edited: Template:Age in years and days ... but the following page is not protected from being edited: Template:Age/doc. Do you know why that is ... and what is the distinction? Thank you. Please reply on my Talk Page.(Joseph A. Spadaro 20:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

(1)Agree.

(2)/(3) One of the advantages of transcluded doc pages is that, while keeping the template code protected, people can edit the documentation. I moved the documentation to Template:Age in years and days/doc, so you can make the desired edits.

Patrick 22:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for your prompt reply. I went into the following two pages (see below) and made several edits. Most of the edits were cosmetic / aesthetic changes in formatting. Some of the edits, however, were substantive. When you have a moment, can you please take a look at both pages and let me know if everything looks fine ... or if you see the need for any further changes. Thanks a lot. Please reply on my Talk Page. The two pages are: Template:Age/doc ... and ... Template:Age in years and days/doc. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro 22:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Mon fils à moi

I removed the image link at Mon fils à moi because it's unnecessary to have a link like that, plus the proper way would be to place an image in the infobox. However I haven't found that image on a site with which would be appropriate to upload from. If you know of one however, that'd be great. -WarthogDemon 18:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Without an uploaded image the next best thing is a link, for the meantime.--Patrick 00:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Help with #switch function

Hi,

I have seen that you are active on meta:Help talk:ParserFunctions and so am requesting some help in implementing a #switch function.

Is it possible to set a colspan function inside a #switch? I'm am trying to enable a switch here (part of an infobox). I'm am attempting to make it so that one can choose the number of columns, (from 1 to all 4). At the moment, the switch works insofar as it will display the required columns, but I'd like them to expand to fill the gap left by the other two. I would also like the column widths to be the same.

I have no idea if this is making any sense, or whether you are able to help, but can the colspan="x" and/or width="x" functions work within a switch? I have realised that the pipe character doesn't work (so have used html) and I think the = sign is throwing things a bit. In the same manner, I don't seem to be able to set background colours etc within the switch.

Sorry for twittering on and cluttering your talk page, but any help would be gratefully received.

–MDCollins (talk) 12:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the default result has an equal sign, you have to use "#default=". For the rest you just should not use "|", except in a template, parser function, parameter with default, link, or image tag. I think everything else is allowed.--Patrick 13:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ten Canoes

Thanks for your additions to Ten Canoes. You appear to know the film well. Are you able to tidy up the later section, about its awards and so on? THe current material is out of date. If you could add references, that would be great. BrainyBabe 09:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about the awards, but perhaps Rolf_de_Heer#Ten_Canoes helps.--Patrick 10:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mapaf

Template:Deprecation notice --MZMcBride 02:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wlinkx

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Check this out

Template talk:Infobox musical artist#Background field addition I am aware that there are several instances of this template being transcluded but without anything in the "background" field. So I have an idea, could you look at this please? FMAFan1990 06:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you can use {{#if:{{{background|}}}||[[Category:..]]}}, if that is what you are asking.--Patrick 06:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, I am discussing this with other users, and also I can't edit the template since it is protected and I am not an admin. FMAFan1990 04:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crank (mechanism)

Re: Sorry about the accidental deletion.--Patrick 10:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. We all make silly mistakes from time to time. --Athol Mullen 11:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Lodging

Lodging, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Lodging satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lodging and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Lodging during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. SarekOfVulcan 20:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change to infobox musical artist

Hi, I'm puzzled by your recent change to {{infobox musical artist}}. It seems like it will add the name of the image to the table-row tag as if it were an attribute (except, of course, it's unlikely to have an equal sign (=) like a proper attribute), unless the undocumented "image class" template argument is set (unlikely since it's undocumented), in which case the contents of that will be used as if it were an attribute (not as a class unless the template argument happens to start with "class="). Basically, I'm just very puzzled as to what this is intended to accomplish, especially since it was done without any discussion. Xtifr _tälk 12:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I figured it out. Two curly braces, not three, so "image class" is a template not an argument. Duh. Sorry. :) Xtifr _tälk 12:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"One can still put a link in a headline, but in that case one should not use the section adding feature, but apply the section editing feature to the previous section"

I don't understand what you mean. --Dweller 13:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking about a bug in one method of making an edit (clicking the "+"). You can still make the desired edit in another way, apply the section editing feature to the previous section and add the new section at the bottom of it.--Patrick 13:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arrrr I still don't understand what you're saying, but it seems irrelevant now, as the bug message has gone. Thanks anyway. --Dweller 13:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion proposal for Threat

Hello Patrick- I'm not an expert on the procedure for deletion proposals, but I don't believe you are meant to simply undo the addition of the notification template if you disagree with the proposal. I have restored it. I think we should wait to see what others think. -Eric ^(talk) 15:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See the distinction at Wikipedia:Deletion_policy between the sections Proposed deletion and Deletion discussion. You used the first, perhaps you want to use the second.--Patrick 15:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tip, Patrick. I re-read those sections and changed the deletion proposal template to an AfD one. -Eric ^(talk) 19:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Carew Pole

I actually understood your first edit summary! DuncanHill 01:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good! I just wanted to correct my error to make sure people understand.--Patrick 01:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Artikel de:Ɋ

Weil ich nicht weiß ob das mit dem Verlinken klappt, nochmal ein Weblink dahin. Könntest du mal den Artikel angucken, du hast vielleicht die Ressourcen, um die von mir in der ersten Löschdiskussion aufgeworfene Frage wie wurde es ausgesprochen bzw. warum wurde es eingeführt und warum braucht man es nimmer? zu beantworten? (Inzwischen hat der Artikel einen neuen Löschantrag aus einem anderen Grund. Grüße. --Matthiasb-DE 13:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't know it. I suggest to rename it to "Q mit Hakenschwanz" or something like that, like Q with hook tail.--Patrick 13:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moving, accusations, etc.

Apparently the user I accused of malicious intent in moving that page is eight years old, and edits the Dutch Wikipedia with special mentors. Strange things. User:Krator (t c) 00:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know. It is not particularly relevant in this matter, though.--Patrick 00:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Row1

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I fixed it, it had to be Template:Row1.--Patrick 10:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of article you created

I have nominated Quint (Jaws character) for deletion its entry is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quint (Jaws character). DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 12:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]