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'''''Meteor Garden''''' ({{zh-tp|t=流星花園|p=Liu Xing Hua Yuan}}) is a [[Taiwanese drama]] that began its broadcast [[12 April]] [[2001]] on [[China Television]]. It is Taiwan's attempt at a live version of the [[Japan]]ese [[manga]] ''[[Hana Yori Dango]]''. It stars [[Jerry Yan]], [[Vic Zhou]], [[Vanness Wu]], [[Ken Chu]] and [[Barbie Hsu]]. The plot centers on a plain and poor teenage girl called Shan Cai, who goes to a [[university]] for rich people, forced upon her by her parents. The university is dominated by a gang of handsome but arrogant students called F4, who are the heirs of the most influential families in Taiwan.
==Tesla patent==
Someone recently added the following:
:''A method and apparatus anticipating these disclosurses, Nikola [[Tesla]]'s 1898 patent US613,809 which refers to the [["Art of Individualization"]], would have not even allowed a signal above the average [[noise floor]] for a code breaker to decipher. The method encrypted the content of the message, but also encrypted the [[order]], [[duration]], [[frequency]] and [[amplitude]] of the [[carrier wave|carrier]] signal. Tesla's system was designed to be non-interfering and non-interfere-able and was publicly demonstrated before the turn of the century and widely reported in his [[lectures]], [[patents]], and many articles in [[New York]]'s popular press. A simple embodiment of the transmitter with ten elements grants a "spy" one chance in roughly three million of even registering a signal on their [[receiver]], let alone deciphering an intelligent message.''
Was this method a rotor machine? [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 07:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


In the beginning, Dao Ming Si, the gang leader, hates Shan Cai so much that he makes everyone in the university play tricks on her. However, Shan Cai's persistence gradually gains Si's respect and later he falls in love with her. Like many other TV series, the lovers end up getting together after going through a series of painful challenges.
:A copy of this patent can be found [http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/vessel.htm here]. (The 613,808 at the top of the page is a typo; you can double-check at http://www.uspto.gov if you like, but it's much harder to give USPTO links). This patent is about remote control; it not only does not concern ciphers, it is totally unrelated to whatever the anonymous editor was talking about above. That stuff seems possibly to be a reference to patent 725,605, "System of Signaling", which Teslaphiles interpret (in their usual manner) as being about spectrum spreading. Having read it I would say that is a very long bow to draw, but in any case it also certainly has nothing whatever to do with ciphers. [[User:Securiger|Securiger]] 16:55, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:: Thanks for looking into this one. It's amazing what tenuous connections people will dream up, and then dump into Wikipedia articles :( [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 17:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Meteor Garden was very popular in Asia. In the [[Philippines]], the four main male characters, with a band called [[F4 (band)|F4]], had a sold-out concert. Due to the popularity of the series throughout Asia, two sequels, ''[[Meteor Rain]]'' and ''[[Meteor Garden II]]'', were produced.
Stretch your Education-Sorry, not a Wikicop-
-Tesla's devices are deceptively simple. There is lot of literature on this part of Tesla's work with private communications, but you will have to dig it up on your own. I included that post so that someone looking into cryptography may see that there are other electronic methods aside from letter wheels and alphabet games which can be practicaly employed to -encrypt-, or a provide a "cipher" for a signal containing an intelligent message.
: I suggest you stretch your own education. This is an article on ''rotor machines'' &mdash; a very specific class of cryptographic equipment. Your addition was off-topic. [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 00:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


The main antagonist is Dao Ming Si's judgmental, arrogant mother Dao Ming Feng who is somewhat based on Kaede Doumyoji in Hana Yori Dango. However she is seen to be not as evil as her Japanese counterpart.
The patent is about remote control and you should realize the revolutionary aspect of that patent, as John Hammond realized and commercialized a few years later,(there is extensive correspondence btwn those two gentlemen if you care to look it up) was remote control for several seperate individual functions, making use of what is now called multiplexing, spread spectrum. Concerning our interest here, it also discloses a method to ensure that the system is non-interfere-able--- 6 tuned circuits = 6(5-1)(4-1)(3-1)(2-1) = number of chances to find and interrupt the signal in realtime. Without much imagination one can also see that in conjunction with a magnetic switch, the patent is the first anticipation for the digital "and" logic gate.
: Goody. What's this got to do with rotor machines? [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 00:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Matt Crypto made a point on "Teslaphiles". New age mumbo jumbo surrounding Tesla is immense, and tons of people are decieved. That does not preculude the fact that there are important concepts to be gained from studying his papers. Somehow, I feel if someone had falsely put the name Einstien instead of Tesla, that post would have stayed without much further nitpicking and haggling. Einstien has tons of tangential references on wikipedia articles and media in general, few are as half as relevant as this article on cryptography is to the work Tesla was conducting on the subject many years precident to most of the sources cited. Cryptography tends to be a mensa wannbe playground for degenerate hackers and math geeks. Tesla had many practical results and so I cited him, it would be nice to see a practical result from a proffesor pinkhands once in a while... -anon-
: I would quite happily have removed results attributed to any of Einstein, Einstien, Tesla or even William-bleeding-Friedman if they weren't on the topic of rotor machines. [[User:Matt Crypto|&mdash; Matt <small>Crypto</small>]] 00:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


==Cast==
== How strong is the rotor method? ==
Main Cast:
*[[Barbie Xu]] as Shan Cai (杉菜)
*[[Jerry Yan]] as Dao Ming Si (道明寺)
*[[Vic Zhou]] as Hua Ze Lei (花澤类)
*[[Ken Chu]] as Xi Men (西門)
*[[Vanness Wu]] as Mei Zuo Ling (美作玲)


Supporting Cast:
The article lacks a section on cryptanalysis discussion, which would be important for the rotor machine topic. If I understand correctly, there is an ongoing distributed computing project to solve a big heap of WWII-vintage uncracked enigma messages. [[Special:Contributions/82.131.210.162|82.131.210.162]] ([[User talk:82.131.210.162|talk]]) 08:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
* [[Zheng Mei Dai]] (Belinda Cheng) as Baihe
:Rotor machines use symmetric crypto and so require exchange of keys (or of a key generation method) and so suffer from all the problems of such cyphers aside from their rotorish nature. Purchase key and rubber hose attacks are often useful against such cyphers, completely aside from other attacks of which there are many. User dumbth is a fruitful approach as well, as Bletchley Park discovered.
* [[Zhang Ruo Zhen]] as Qianhui
* [[Ye An Tin]] as Lizhen
* Wang Yue as Shan Cai's Mother
* [[Tung Chi Cheng]] as Shan Cai's Father
* [[Zhen Xiu]] Zhen as Daoming Feng
* [[Edward Ou]] as Qinghe
* [[Rainie Yang]] as Xiaoyou
* [[Winnie Qian]] as Tengtang Jing
* [[Ke Huan Ru]] as Xiaozi
* [[Mary Hsu]] as Dao Ming Zhuang


==Trivia==
:What rotor machines do is implement a particular sort of polyalphabetic substitution cypher (a kind of symmetric cypher). Such cyphers can be attacked by methods pioneered by Charles Babbage, but a properly implemented rotor machine cypher will be too difficult to use these methods -- too long a period and insufficient depth of messages for a given key setting.
{{Trivia|date=June 2007}}
*Zhen Xiu Zhen is frequently mistaken for Liu Xue Hua by some fans in the [[Philippines]]. She seems to bear certain facial similarities to the mother of ''Girls Marching On'', aired also on [[ABS-CBN]].
*Shan Cai's Japanese counterpart, Tsukushi, had a younger brother in Hana Yori Dango who played a small part in the story.
*Shan Cai's mother sings the first two lines of Teresa Teng's song "When Will You Return" in some scenes.
*One of the major differences between Hana Yori Dango and Meteor Garden is that in Hana Yori Dango, the ending is more concrete than the first season of Meteor Garden, such as Doumyoji and Tsukushi being together, and Rui reunites with his first love. These events do not happen in Meteor Garden.
*Spawned 2 sequels ([[Meteor Rain]] and [[Meteor Garden II]]) due to its high ratings in Taiwan.
*Meteor Garden remains as the highest rated Asian drama overall shown in the [[Philippines]], garnering a 57.4% peak rating with an average rating of 42.9% in mega manila and a peak of 73.0% nationwide with an average of 62.0% which was shown over [[ABS-CBN]]. The replay value was just so high, that when it was replayed again every Saturday and Sunday, it rated an amazing 42.0% on its finale.
*The show was aired four times in the [[Philippines]], three times on [[ABS-CBN]] and once on [[GMA Network]]. It's first airing was in 2003, a replay on weekends in the same year, then in 2005 it was re-aired again due to insistent public demand and in 2007 [[GMA Network]] re-airs the show in their own re-dubbed version. Meteor Garden started the ''asianovela'' craze in the [[Philippines]].
*[[GMA Network]], [[ABS-CBN]]'s rival network, reairs Meteor Garden but unfortunately it didn't show good ratings. Its highest rating in [[GMA Network]] is just 30.0% in Mega Manila and 13.0% nationwide.
*Before, [[GMA Network]] told the press that the series was first offered to them and they turned them down because the series has no moral values or lessons, but when the series became very popular, they started showing "Meteor DreamLand" and some of F4's shows.
*F4 members are now officially known as [[JVKV]], after Japanese TV producers decided to use the name F4 in the live version of the anime "Hana Yori Dango".
*Meteor Garden, Meteor Rain and Meteor Garden 2 are the most reran Taiwanese drama soaps aired on [[ATV World]], having played a total of three times for seasons one and 2, and two for Meteor Rain, including their run on cable channel [[TVB Classic]].
*GENERAL SUMMARY: ShanCai detests F4, the group that makes many lives miserable, including her own. While F4 torments her, the lead man, DaoMing Si falls for her. Soon, they start to date. However, there are many in their way, like the two popular girls jealous of DaoMing Si and ShanCai's relationship and Daoming Si's mom, one of the main causes of the break-up of their relationship. His mother goes all out in an attempt to try and break them up. For example, she hires a shady man posing as DaoMing Si's cousin to seduce her.
*The actor who plays DMS's cousin was in a relationship with Da S (Shan Cai) in real life for several years, prior to her relationship with Vic Zhou
*ABS-CBN wants to buy the rights for the philippine version of this series.


== See also ==
:Brute force attack is always possible, but will be very difficult as well. In practice, a properly implemented rotor machine cypher will be very resistant to such attacks as well.
*''[[Meteor Rain]]''
*''[[Meteor Garden II]]


[[Meteor Garden (Philippine TV Series)]]
:Welchman's comment, to the effect if they'd done their cyphers correctly and not left so many readily exploitable attack points, we'd have never broken Enigma, is still pretty much accurate. Even in a computer dominated era. [[User:Ww|ww]] ([[User talk:Ww|talk]]) 14:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

==External links==
*[http://www.cts.com.tw/prog/drama/meteorgarden/ Official CTS Meteor Garden website (Chinese Text)]
*[http://www.spcnet.tv/reviews/productions.php?pID=312 SPCNET Review of Meteor Garden]
*[http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Meteor_Garden_I ''DramaWiki entry for Meteor Garden'']
*[http://www.krystalheart.com/meteorgarden/ KrystalHeart site for Meteor Garden]

==References==
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[[Category:Taiwanese dramas]]
[[Category:2001 television series debuts]]
[[Category:2001 television series endings]]
[[Category:Manga based Taiwanese dramas]]

[[fr:Meteor Garden]]
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[[ja:流星花園]]
[[zh:流星花園 (台灣電視劇)]]

Revision as of 02:49, 11 October 2008

Meteor Garden (Chinese: 流星花園; pinyin: Liu Xing Hua Yuan) is a Taiwanese drama that began its broadcast 12 April 2001 on China Television. It is Taiwan's attempt at a live version of the Japanese manga Hana Yori Dango. It stars Jerry Yan, Vic Zhou, Vanness Wu, Ken Chu and Barbie Hsu. The plot centers on a plain and poor teenage girl called Shan Cai, who goes to a university for rich people, forced upon her by her parents. The university is dominated by a gang of handsome but arrogant students called F4, who are the heirs of the most influential families in Taiwan.

In the beginning, Dao Ming Si, the gang leader, hates Shan Cai so much that he makes everyone in the university play tricks on her. However, Shan Cai's persistence gradually gains Si's respect and later he falls in love with her. Like many other TV series, the lovers end up getting together after going through a series of painful challenges.

Meteor Garden was very popular in Asia. In the Philippines, the four main male characters, with a band called F4, had a sold-out concert. Due to the popularity of the series throughout Asia, two sequels, Meteor Rain and Meteor Garden II, were produced.

The main antagonist is Dao Ming Si's judgmental, arrogant mother Dao Ming Feng who is somewhat based on Kaede Doumyoji in Hana Yori Dango. However she is seen to be not as evil as her Japanese counterpart.

Cast

Main Cast:

Supporting Cast:

Trivia

  • Zhen Xiu Zhen is frequently mistaken for Liu Xue Hua by some fans in the Philippines. She seems to bear certain facial similarities to the mother of Girls Marching On, aired also on ABS-CBN.
  • Shan Cai's Japanese counterpart, Tsukushi, had a younger brother in Hana Yori Dango who played a small part in the story.
  • Shan Cai's mother sings the first two lines of Teresa Teng's song "When Will You Return" in some scenes.
  • One of the major differences between Hana Yori Dango and Meteor Garden is that in Hana Yori Dango, the ending is more concrete than the first season of Meteor Garden, such as Doumyoji and Tsukushi being together, and Rui reunites with his first love. These events do not happen in Meteor Garden.
  • Spawned 2 sequels (Meteor Rain and Meteor Garden II) due to its high ratings in Taiwan.
  • Meteor Garden remains as the highest rated Asian drama overall shown in the Philippines, garnering a 57.4% peak rating with an average rating of 42.9% in mega manila and a peak of 73.0% nationwide with an average of 62.0% which was shown over ABS-CBN. The replay value was just so high, that when it was replayed again every Saturday and Sunday, it rated an amazing 42.0% on its finale.
  • The show was aired four times in the Philippines, three times on ABS-CBN and once on GMA Network. It's first airing was in 2003, a replay on weekends in the same year, then in 2005 it was re-aired again due to insistent public demand and in 2007 GMA Network re-airs the show in their own re-dubbed version. Meteor Garden started the asianovela craze in the Philippines.
  • GMA Network, ABS-CBN's rival network, reairs Meteor Garden but unfortunately it didn't show good ratings. Its highest rating in GMA Network is just 30.0% in Mega Manila and 13.0% nationwide.
  • Before, GMA Network told the press that the series was first offered to them and they turned them down because the series has no moral values or lessons, but when the series became very popular, they started showing "Meteor DreamLand" and some of F4's shows.
  • F4 members are now officially known as JVKV, after Japanese TV producers decided to use the name F4 in the live version of the anime "Hana Yori Dango".
  • Meteor Garden, Meteor Rain and Meteor Garden 2 are the most reran Taiwanese drama soaps aired on ATV World, having played a total of three times for seasons one and 2, and two for Meteor Rain, including their run on cable channel TVB Classic.
  • GENERAL SUMMARY: ShanCai detests F4, the group that makes many lives miserable, including her own. While F4 torments her, the lead man, DaoMing Si falls for her. Soon, they start to date. However, there are many in their way, like the two popular girls jealous of DaoMing Si and ShanCai's relationship and Daoming Si's mom, one of the main causes of the break-up of their relationship. His mother goes all out in an attempt to try and break them up. For example, she hires a shady man posing as DaoMing Si's cousin to seduce her.
  • The actor who plays DMS's cousin was in a relationship with Da S (Shan Cai) in real life for several years, prior to her relationship with Vic Zhou
  • ABS-CBN wants to buy the rights for the philippine version of this series.

See also

Meteor Garden (Philippine TV Series)

External links

References