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Throb was an American television sitcom broadcast in syndication from 1986 to 1988. It revolved around thirty-something divorcee Sandy Beatty (Diana Canova) who gets a job at a small New Wave record label, Throb. Beatty's boss is Zach Armstrong (Jonathan Prince), who looks like Michael J. Fox but dresses like Don Johnson. Beatty also has a 12-year old son named Jeremy (played first by Paul Walker and later by Sean de Veritch).

Most notable was that it was the first time much of the American TV audience saw Jane Leeves, who later gained fame as Daphne Moon on Frasier. Also notable is the casting of a young Paul Walker, who played Jeremy Beatty for the first season. Walker became a certified leading man in Hollywood some 15 years later, especially after his breakthrough role in The Fast and the Furious.

The show was distributed by Procter & Gamble Productions.

Cast

Diana Canova - Sandy Beatty
Jonathan Prince - Zachary Armstrong
Paul Walker - Jeremy Beatty (1986-87)
Sean de Veritch - Jeremy Beatty (1987-88)
Maryedith Burrell - Meredith
Jane Leeves - "Blue" (Prudence Anne Bartlett)
Richard Cummings, Jr. - Phil Gaines

External links

Throb at IMDb

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+'''''Throb''''' was an [[United States|American]] [[television]] [[sitcom]] broadcast in [[broadcast syndication|syndication]] from [[1986]] to [[1988]].  It revolved around thirty-something divorcee Sandy Beatty ([[Diana Canova]]) who gets a job at a small [[New Wave music|New Wave]] record label, Throb.  Beatty's boss is Zach Armstrong ([[Jonathan Prince]]), who looks like [[Michael J. Fox]] but dresses like [[Don Johnson]].  Beatty also has a 12-year old son named Jeremy (played first by [[Paul Walker]] and later by [[Sean de Veritch]]).
-==Guitar Hero 3 reference==
+Most notable was that it was the first time much of the American TV audience saw [[Jane Leeves]], who later gained fame as [[Daphne Moon]] on ''[[Frasier]]''. Also notable is the casting of a young Paul Walker, who played Jeremy Beatty for the first season. Walker became a certified leading man in Hollywood some 15 years later, especially after his breakthrough role in ''[[The Fast and the Furious (2001 film)|The Fast and the Furious]]''.
-Youshould add one, because that's beast.
+The show was distributed by [[Procter & Gamble|Procter & Gamble Productions]].
-==Music Video.. Santeria?==
+==Cast==
-Did anyone else immediately think of the music video for Santeria by Sublime when they watched the music video?
+*[[Diana Canova]] - Sandy Beatty
-Yes, I know, unrelated and unimportant. The Star Wars holograms reminded me of the ghostly apparitions of Bradley Nowell in Santeria(lead guitarist, died from a heroine overdose before the album was released, is seen playing guitar a few times in the video as a bluish ghost) and there's several other similarities including getting thrown out the window.. I guess it's all western but still. [[Special:Contributions/71.220.99.67|71.220.99.67]] ([[User talk:71.220.99.67|talk]]) 19:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
+*[[Jonathan Prince]] - Zachary Armstrong
-==Oblivon?==
+*[[Paul Walker]] - Jeremy Beatty (1986-87)
+*[[Sean de Veritch]] - Jeremy Beatty (1987-88)
+*[[Maryedith Burrell]] - Meredith
+*[[Jane Leeves]] - "Blue" (Prudence Anne Bartlett)
+*[[Richard Cummings, Jr.]] - Phil Gaines
+==External links==
-What is the reference in the clip to oblivion?
+* {{imdb title|id=0090533|title=Throb}}
+[[Category:American television sitcoms]]
-Being rel. new her I wonder if the less obvious movie-references in the article would originate from any [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources | reliable source]]. Or is it obvious when you know the respective film? Anyway, the flash-interface on the [http://knightsofcydonia.com/ contest's homepage] for Knights of Cydonia rejects both [[Oblivion]] & [[High Plains Drifter]], but accepts the other 15 films mentioned, so... [[User:Mogwai22|Mogwai22]] 02:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
+[[Category:1980s American television series]]
+[[Category:Television series by Procter & Gamble Productions]]
+[[Category:1986 television series debuts]]
+[[Category:1988 television series endings]]
+{{comedy-tv-prog-stub}}
-==Name==
-According to [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]], this article should be titled "Kinghts of Cydonia".  Can we change it?  [[User:Acegikmo1|Acegikmo1]] 21:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
-:I can't see anything there about decapitalising minor words. With this album, they seem to be capitalising the beginnings of all words in official announcements, so it's assumed that this is the official title (in official catalogs names are always recorded in block capitals, so unfortunately it's not always clear cut). [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] 13:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
-::"In titles of songs or albums, unless it is unique, the standard rule in the English language is to capitalize words that are the first or the last word in the title and those that are not conjunctions (and, but, or, nor, for), prepositions (in, to, over, through), articles (an, a, the), or the word 'to' when used to form an infinitive."  I think that we should follow this.  [[User:Acegikmo1|Acegikmo1]] 16:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
-::: The iTunes Music Store says Knights '''of''' Cydonia. [http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPreorder?id=159865288&s=143444 Click here if you have iTunes installed.]  Mahahahaneapneap 18:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
-http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=162993934&s=143441 click here for US version. [[User:Bandgeek100|&#91;&#91;User:bandgeek100]]]] 03:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
-== Release ==
-Just to clear up, it doesn't look like there's going to be a physical US single release. It has been dubbed the US single because radio stations are now playing it, rather than Supermassive Black Hole in the lead-up to the album. This means that it shouldn't strictly be using the single infobox, but it's bound to be the next, or a future single anyway, so might as well be left in. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] 14:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
-== Album cover in the article ==
-Does anybody have any objections to showing the Black Holes And Revelations album cover in the article? [[User:Madchester]] has removed it three times now but is not replying to my objection to its removal. At time of writing it is the only non-meta image in the article, and 108 of the 255 words in it discuss the song's connection to this image, so other than the knee-jerk reaction against album covers being used in song articles as meta-data, I can't see any reason anyone would object to it. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] 16:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
-:Again, please do not re-insert the album cover, per [[WP:SONG]] and [[WP:IMAGE]] guidelines and especially [[Wikipedia:Image use policy]]'s official guidelines.
-:Wikipedia's Image use policy states that ''Once there is enough text to support the image, any contributor is free to shift the image back into the article.''  Given the word count for the song is less than 500 words, there is no need to overcrowd the article with excess images.  See [[WP:FA|featured articles]] for examples such as "[[She Loves You]]", or "[[Layla]]" for appropriate usage of additional photos in music-related articles. These articles are over 1500 words in length and the images provide appropriate breaks to the text and provide complimentary information.  Thanks. --[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 21:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
-::I would have expected you as an admin to do a little better than repeat what you have already said. I'm not just reverting for the sake of being difficult, I have contested your arguments for removing the image. You still haven't suggested why this image constitutes overcrowding, when it is the only useful image in the article. You also quote image queuing like it was policy - in fact it is a suggestion and requires a very liberal interpretation of "ugly and difficult to read", the criteria for which that part of the policy applies, for it to apply to this article. You describe images in featured articles as providing complimentary information - this image is a millisecond illustration of what half the article is talking about. Should it all be shunted to the album article? No. The commentary discusses how the image depicts the metaphorical "Knights of Cydonia" - it belongs here. If I expected to see a "see other article for more information" link, it would be from Black Holes And Revelations to here, since that article's job is not to go into lengthy discourse on Knights of Cydonia. Just a couple more doses of common sense here would be lovely. [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] 15:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
-==What?==
-"A possibly insignificant, but perhaps deliberate, mistake occurs on the main title card, which begins with "KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA (C) MCLMXXXI". '''Besides using improper Roman numerals''', this would indicate that the video had been filmed in the year 2081."
-Improper Roman numerals? What does that mean? If they were improper how could you figure out the number they represent? --[[User:Macarion|Macarion]] 04:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-:Iz da spellun in dis sentense good just becoz yu kan figur out wat it reprezents? And I'm not sure you can figure out what MCLMXXXI represents. They may have have meant for CLM to represent 1000 - 150 which would make the date 1881. The ambiguity could be intential since the video is a mixture of old west (1881) and sci fi (2081) elements.
-You can verify here:
-                    http://www.guernsey.net/~sgibbs/roman.html
-that MCLMXXXI is not a valid Roman Numeral according to the Roman rules for forming numbers.
-At best MCLMXXXI is a typo and not a deliberate 'mistake.' To infer a date of 2081 from it is wishful thinking. The inference about 'A possibly insignificant, but perhaps deliberate, mistake occurs on the main title card, which begins with "KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA (C) MCLMXXXI. Besides using improper Roman numerals, this would indicate that the video had been filmed in the year 2081.' should be removed and replaced by 'A possibly insignificant mistake occurs on the main title card, which begins with "KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA (C) MCLMXXXI. This in an invalid Roman numeral and likely is a typo, as the date with the ending title card would suggest.'
-Interesting, though, is the 1881 suggestion for this Roman Numeral, as it would be properly written as MDCCCLXXXI!
-:::Thats rubbish, "This problem manifested in such questions as why 1990 was not written as MXM instead of the universal usage MCMXC, or why 1999 was not written simply IMM or MIM as opposed to the universal MCMXCIX.
-<b>However, these rules are not universally followed.</b>" Roman numerals can be written however the hell you want, the Romans didnt have proper rules for them so any 'rules' were just the standard way of doing it.--[[Special:Contributions/82.35.192.193|82.35.192.193]] ([[User talk:82.35.192.193|talk]]) 21:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
-: I'm guessing it was intentional, but not overly significant - probably just intended to indicate the cheapness of the "film".
-::No, it IS significant. The song is set in the future, and this looks like an [[easter egg]] that proves that. Maybe there is more information at [Muse.mu]. Also, look up the Muse myspace and follow some of their "Top 8" links to players in the video. [[User:Sabrebattletank|Sabrebattletank]]
-Notice that in title card of director's version you can find "KNIGHTS OF CYDONIA (C) MCMLXXXI"  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.222.21.232|85.222.21.232]] ([[User talk:85.222.21.232|talk]]) 17:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Isn't it the same as whats at the start of blazing saddles? [[User:203.173.189.99|203.173.189.99]] 13:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
-== Music And Meaning ==
-"The tune and rhythm for the song were loosely based off of the [[Song of the Plains]], a traditional Russian song."
-A source needs to be cited if this is to be included.
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-"The titular "Cydonia" refers to the region on Mars where some believe life has existed, and is the site of the infamous 'Face on Mars'."
-How sure are we about this? Considering the band has used roman numerals (albeit false ones) to date their copyright, and the fact that there was an ancient greek city named Cydonia in a time where some form of a warrior that could be compared to a knight was likely to have existed, wouldn't it seem more likely that this is what they are referring to?  Personally I prefer to think of actual sword wielding knights fighting for their rights when I listen to this song, rather than the logicless conclusion that the song must be about a rumored micro organism on the face of the moon.
-I like that interpretation, too, but there just seems to be more evidence supporting the Mars-region one, particularly the album cover of ''Black Holes and Revelations''; even a couple of the album's songs (i.e. "[[Supermassive Black Hole]]", "[[Exopolitics|Exo-Politics]]") point out a somewhat astronomical theme. So basically, it stands as is that the Knights of Cydonia did in fact wield light-sabers, at least in my opinion. --Wikiwow 21:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
-There is also the fact that Matt bellamy is very interested in space and conspiracy themes, plus the album cover which shows 4 men sitting at a table on mars with horses on it, which most likely represent the "Knights of Cydnia". Though you bring up an interesting interperetation, history would point to it reffering to the cydonia of mars. --JAK2112 23:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
-Cydonia could also reference the ancient land of Cydonia which, if you're looking into conspiracy theory, was connected to interaction with alien beings.  There is definitely astronomical references throughout Muse's work, but many biblical references as well.  The subject of Cydonia is an intersection of the two. ––ninohio  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.102.174.39|208.102.174.39]] ([[User talk:208.102.174.39|talk]]) 14:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Agreed this is defiantly to do with space and conspiracies, also the roman numerals are not false, even if they were invalid, which theyre not, theyre not false.--[[Special:Contributions/82.35.192.193|82.35.192.193]] ([[User talk:82.35.192.193|talk]]) 21:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
-== Hilarious ==
-Did anybody else think the music video was intentionally hilarious? I cracked up when I first saw it - the dirtbike escape from the hanging, the chick riding the unicorn through the desert etc. I dunno. Mixed with the song, images like that seemed to be tongue-in-cheek ridiculously funny, and it's obviously what the band intended. Which susprised me, since I thought they took their music seriously. {{unsigned|58.7.143.159}}
-:I thought the video was fantastic and of COURSE it was intended to be funny.  In the first few seconds we see him practice a slew of pseudo-kungfu styles ("flaming energy ball"?).  The video is littered with homages to pop-culture.  As for the seriousness of Muse's music, they've always been a little satirical and tongue in cheek.  The same guy that directed "Knights of Cydonia" did the video for Muse's "Muscle Museum" off the Showbiz album, and it features suburbanities sitting around crying.  It's not exactly "ha ha" hilarious, but it's not a charity cause, either. -- [[User:Broken Arms Gordon|Broken Arms Gordon]] 08:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
-== Reception? ==
-I've heard a lot of people who have commented that the song is similar to "Bohemian Rhapsody", at least in concept.  Anyone heard what the critics have said about it? [[User:128.120.176.107|128.120.176.107]] 07:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
-i hope the bsides are like tracks from the eden project concert
-== Live Lyric Difference ==
-The line "no-one's GONNA take me alive" is "no-one's GOING TO take me alive" when performed live. Big enough point to add to the "Live" section? [[User:CfW|CfW]] 01:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
-::They both mean the same thing, really. <font color="#000000">[[User:Ihsbislns| Blackguards_Light]]</font>''' <sup>//[[User talk: Blackguards_Light |Evil turning good]]//</sup>  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 15:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Personally, I feel the lyric change adds a cumbersome and clunky extra syllable to an otherwise sleek, aerodynamic rock/metal epic. The logic of the lyric change escapes me. Muse is one of the smarter, more instinctively spot-on bands out there in 2008...but this was not a good call, IMO.
-[[Special:Contributions/65.248.164.214|65.248.164.214]] ([[User talk:65.248.164.214|talk]]) 15:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
-== Commodore C64 SID sound style, various different sounds ==
-The beginning of the song was blatantly inspired by the [[C64|Commodore C64]] homecomputer SID music. The fast sparkling arpeggiator pattern with the strange lead voice timbre is really typical for that, although here the characteristic sound was ported to high quality timbres of "real" instruments, which really unique. An example for a C64 song in the same arpeggiator style is [[Martin Galway]]'s C64 version of "The Neverending Story".
-http://www.autofish.net/agmi/c64.html
-A closer example for C64 rock music with arpeggiator is [[Rob Hubbard]]'s great theme of "[[One Man and His Droid]]".
-The fascinating thing is that in 1980th composers like [[Rob Hubbard]] and [[Martin Galway]] first attempted to program rock musics on the Commodore 64,
-but by hardware limitations it was impossible to make them sound realistic. Thus C64 music developed its own sound style, which in 1980th was silently
-ignored by conventional musicians and by the spread of hifi sampling in early 1990th became very despised and considered ridiculous - only to suddenly find
-its way now back into "real" rock music (played by a band) with a matter of course like when it was always there.
-The special C64 sound style particularly introduced the massive use of [[arpeggiator]] effects to circumvent the low hardware polyphony of the SID chip (3 channels for synth timbres, 1 for low-res samples) to permit to play chords. And unlike common slow home organ arpeggios of 1970th and 80th (those stepped with rhythm tempo), SID music often included very rapidly whirling arpeggiator timbres, those step frequency could increase up to the sound frequency range. Despite fast arpeggiators were already introduced before in synthesizer musics (e.g. used by Jean Michael Jarre), only C64 music
-(and homecomputer squarewave musics in general) started to turn them into a dominating sound effect.
-The song "Knights of Cydonia" consists of multiple sections arranged in different sound styles, those mostly allude to complex melodic 1970th and early 1980th rock musics. There are e.g. similarities with the [[Flash Gordon]] movie theme and of course 1970th western movie musics. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/89.50.255.5|89.50.255.5]] ([[User talk:89.50.255.5|talk]]) 02:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
-==Dark Tower?==
-Am I the only person who caught the apparent references to Stephen King's Dark Tower. There's a dystopian future, robots, nearly-broken technology, and the guy looks like a Gun Slinger.
-    I was just about to ask the same question when I saw yours. I greatly agree.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.124.10.128|70.124.10.128]] ([[User talk:70.124.10.128|talk]]) 06:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Trivia moved from [[Muse (band)]] ==
-I removed the following because it didn't really fit in that article, perhaps it could be incorporated here:
-<cite>Knights of Cydonia was chosen as the 9th best Guitar Solo of all time by GQ Magazine in ([[2007]]).
-Knights of Cydonia will feature as a playable song in Guitar Hero 3, which will be released in late 2007</cite> --&nbsp;'''[[User:M2Ys4U|M2Ys4U]]''' <sup>(<font color="green">[[User talk:M2Ys4U|talk]]</font>)</sup> 00:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
-== Triple J Hottest 100 ==
-Can anyone explain why the hottest 100 winner for 2007 was a song/album released in 2006.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.49.162.218|122.49.162.218]] ([[User talk:122.49.162.218|talk]]) 13:14, 1 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-From what I have gathered the single wasn't released in Australia till 11/Dec/06, so I guess it is more representative of music listened to in 2007 than 2006.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Stxera|Stxera]] ([[User talk:Stxera|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stxera|contribs]]) 01:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->