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Hi, I just noticed that you had archived from the recent changes page. But when I checked, the information had not been transferred to the archive page. Just thought id ask if you needed help --The-G-Unit-Boss 16:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: ....My keen fashion sense

If it wasn't aired then you can't say it was their first appearance. If you have a reliable source, you can make note of that in the body of the work. First appearance needs to be when people actual saw them. If it never aired then it never "appeared" if you get what I mean. So, if you have a source that mentions people getting "cut" from the pilot, great, but that doesn't change the infobox information.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Saw the film in the theaters when I was all of (*opens up second tab to check the date of release*) 7 years old. If I remember correctly, I saw this with my aunt. I also remember thinking, even at seven, that they showed me things in the trailer that were cut from the final film. As for the show, I never got into it per say...I watched it when it was in syndication. A few years ago, I think like my first year of college, Buffy and Angel would both play at the WB (I think that's who it was, could have been TNT, don't remember) at like 4 and 5pm, which usually was when I was coming home. So, I tended to watch a lot of it when it was one. I'd watch it here and there if it happened to pop up. I liked it, especially the later seasons. I just wasn't fanatical about it. I've seen enough to understand it pretty well. I don't tend to watch a lot of television shows on tv...I hate commercials. I usually just buy them when the come out. So, beyond a lot of movies, I have a lot of television shows. The only show I'm religious about, which you can probably guess easily, is Smallville.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've seen it. I take great issue with its predominance of in-universe information. WP:WAF specifically states that we should take a primarily out-of-universe stand, and that article sits on about 4kb (not readable prose, but including codes and spaces) of OOU information. So an article that is 30kb large (again, not as readable prose which is the actual indicator), there is only about 13% of OOU information, and the rest is straight up episode rehashes. That's a serious problem. My real problem is that a lot of these types of FACs tend to scrape by with limited feedback (also usually pushed by some of the very people in that project) because of their nature...which is being a fictional character of a television show. People don't really care too much about entertainment articles, and don't usually show up for reviews. I've got Smallville (season 1), which has been sitting in a peer review, with no feedback, for almost a week. People mistaken well referenced for comprehensiveness and satisification (is that a word?...it is now) of style guidelines. I saw people say "support - well referenced". I take that to mean "lots of lines in the reference section", because the article cites all the episodes things happened in. I don't find Andrew's article a very good example to go to, and I know it's hard since there are not a lot of television character articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The Angel cameos are where they should be, they just need to be worked into the paragraph better that's all. This sentence, the main character in the franchise, Buffy has also appeared in the majority of Buffy expanded universe material, seems odd. Has she not appeared in all of the Buffy expanded universe material? You should keep same mediums together. Separating it out can get confusing. I'd keep it in order of when things were released, and just make note of what isn't considered canon. The animated show should be with "television" (test to see if "Animated" can be made into a subsection of "Television", maybe it will look ok), and comics and books should be together under "Literature". I'd probably put the game information in a "Popular culture" section. As things like action figures, and other similar things are usually presented there. That's just me though.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You should explain that she does not appear in some of the expanded universe material. When you say "Buffy doesn't always appear in Buffy" it sound kind of weird. Be distinct with separating the different mediums, but keep the information together. It shouldn't be hard to include Joss' cricitism of the non-canon material within that paragraph of information. You shouldn't write it as a series of events that actually take place, but as when each was released for their respective mediums. The cartoon wasn't released to the public? Was it released at all? Vader is separated into "Original apperance in films" and "Everything else" (which is labeled Expanded Universe). If you go that way, you'd have to say "Appearances->Movie->Television" and then everything else would have to be under "Expanded Universe".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying you can't play favorites with what is considered "canon" and what is considered "non-canon". It's great to have Joss' disdain for the non-canon stuff, but you cannot treat it like a pariah. The Season 8 comics are comics, and not part of the television appearances. It's fine to make note that they are considered to have continuity with the television series, but any other non-comics should be in the comics section as well. If the cartoon was never filmed, then it shouldn't be mentioned. If you have a source that says Giselle was supposed to voice the animated Buffy, that's fine, I'd just keep that info with the game stuff as a "oh yeah" kind of comment. If you are covering the comics, then cover the comics. People shouldn't be reading the sections for subsitutions to reading the comics. It isn't hard to precede a sentence with "Does not follow the continuity of..." or something of that nature. Comics are comics, and treating non-canon material like it's a leper shows favoritism to the fans. The article should be written for everyone. Just make note of what picks up continuity with the television show, and what doesn't.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, those people who complain "it's not canon" are part of reason "Buffy Summers" is ....eh, it doesn't even have a banner on the talk page. Well, that just means it's not even assessed, which is worse than being the B-class it actually is. You and both know that when you're done it will be GA and on it's way to FA. If they want their canon, they can hitch a ride on the Wikia train and transwiki their butts over there and make the most wonderful fictional world their little hearts desire. As for F5, it's keeping in vain of the other movies, and those that followed, I just don't like the way they made Jason a hallucination (again), and had Roy be the killer. Which probably stems from the horrible mask Roy wears, as you know I'm a stickler for what I perceive to be horrible designs of the mask. I always thought The Final Chapter (pre-Zombie Jason) did it the best, because you couldn't see the eyes. I always thought it was creepier to not be able to see the eyes behind the mask.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Bitch?! What makes me a bitch? lol. Because I say the canon pushers they can take their Buffyverse to the next Wiki-town over? F3 mask good, F4 mask better, F5 mask what they thinking, F6 mask not sure how Tommy got ahold of, but at least it's better than F5 mask, F7 mask alright, F8 mask is one of few good things about F8 movie, F9 mask barely shown thus mask not good, F10 regular mask equivalent to regergitated fecal matter, F10 ubermask pretty damn awesome, F11 mask not too shabby though the roundness of the edge was slightly annoying but better than F10's angular POS (this inhibited speech is kind of fun). H1 mask good, H2 mask...why'd the hair color change over night? H3 mask.......sucked for all the kids that wore them, H4,5,6 masks were very sad, H20 mask improvement on others, but obviously plastered...H20 itself much better than previous 3 movies, HR mask, eh, not horrible...HR movie ...still better than the 4,5,6 movies. I like remakes. Some remakes are worth it. I thought The Hills Have Eyes remake was worth it. People that watched it with me were like "how can you watch stuff like this?" The Halloween remake looks good. John Carpenter's remake The Thing was really good.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:36, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I cannot help that I'm finnicky about what I see on screen visually, and the mask is the quintessential pice of the character...you screw it up and you've screwed your movie. Plus, the dialogue alone is some of the worst. As for Halloween, the first two are good, but the first one definitely draws itself out more. I remember watching it with my g/f and she was like "is this going to go anywhere, it's so slow". That's why I like H20 because it keeps the suspense coming. Steve Miner (wink wink, nudge nudge) did a good job with it. I like how they gave a reason (an odd one) for Michael coming after Laurie, and then after her son. Where did the timeline go in H4,5,6? What year is it there? How in the hell did Jamie grow up that fast and have a child of her own. Tommy was her age when Michael first attacked Laurie. Wouldn't he be a bit older if Jamie was having her own child? Everyone likes Paul Rudd, he's hilarious in 40 Year Old Virgin, and one of the only salvageable reason to watch Ron Burgundy. As for part 3, by itself it's not a bad movie. The theme music is awesome. Texas...they are two different films for me. One is built on suspense and the other is built on gore. I like both, don't get me wrong, I though the remake was awesome, but it cannot be compared to the original because they are fundamentally different films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a "reason" so much as a "theme", kind of. He attacked his older sister, Judith, when she was seventeen. Then he waited in the hospital until Laurie was seventeen and came after her. He came after John (Laurie's son) when he turned seventeen. Nothing special other than that. That's how she recounts it to what's his face when she tells him who she really is. Timeline is still screwy in those three Halloween movies. Talk about snuff, how about some Sadomasochists From Beyond The Grave?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hellraiser II is my favorite, because you get to see this almost heroic Pinhead in the end. It's short lived, as he's back to his evil ways in III. Some of the later ones are not that bad, but Pinhead really just makes cameos in them. Inferno is one that takes repeat viewings. The more I watch it the more I kind of like it, because it was different. The ones after that kind of ripped off Inferno in their storylines. Nightmare 1, 3 and New Nightmare are by far the best. I can't watch New Nightmare repeatedly (then again, I can't watch any Nightmare as often as I can watch a F13), but to me it really made the character scary again...until the very end of the movie which seemed to just lose that spark that it had created. I love how reality and fiction begin to bleed into one another, with John Saxon turning into Nancy's father, and Heather finally accepting that she has to be "Nancy" in order to fight Freddy. Plus the music was good. Music is always the key. Best part of FvJ is when Lori brings Freddy into "reality" and Jason comes walking up behind him, I love the reaction on Freddy's face when he realizes the world of hurt he's just landed himself in.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You've got to go rent, buy, borrow New Nightmare. You cannot feel redeemed with the series until you watch that movie. Smallville has some awesome music. Not only can they weeve some great pop culture music in there, but Mark Snow is a gift for that show when it comes to composing. Especially when Christopher Reeve guest starred, and Snow incorporated parts of John Williams' classic Superman theme, it was great. For instance, when music fails, The DaVinci Code held the same music the entire time. It didn't go up, it didn't go down, it was the same rhythmic beat the whole time. Quite annoying. Carpenter usually does great music. James Newton Howard, who usually scores for M. Night Schamalan (not even close to the right spelling), usually does great work. Firefly has a catchy theme song. But, I think no one can beat Ennio Morricone when it comes to "epic" scores for films. Sidenote: Sarah Michelle Gellar's wet hair look in Season 1 from that fan trailer, pretty hot.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I know nothing about any remakes or sequels to F13. Lot's of rumors, but according to Cunningham, they are focused more an FvJ 2, and trying to find a way to get that into motion with a good script. Depending on the show. I boycotted Smallville because I thought it was going to damage my idea of what Superman is. I thought it was going to suck. I just happened to be flipping channels one day and caught the last 5 minutes of the third season episode, "Shattered", where Lex is put in a mental hospital. I was like, "wow, that's pretty good". I happened across Season 1 in the store and was like "why not". 17 hours later and I had finished the first season. I only stopped to go to bed for about 7 hours then I was up finishing the rest of the show. Next then I know I was hooked. That's a show with some great character drama, and the entire cast has great chemistry with each other. How'd you find "Buffy"?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Smallville "is the most perfect show ever". How do I know this you ask? Well, Buffy wasn't good enough for The WB, so they let her go. Who replaced her? Smallville. Who broke the premiere records? Smallville. Plus, and I know you'll appreciate this, it's got the hottest cast members. People are losing shirts every which way. If you think Paul Rudd is so cute, you must think Tom Welling is like a god.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

One of my favorite moments:[1]  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. There's always the super jump, nuclear blast level heat vision, and and for something really sad <---This took me forever to find, because people kept replacing the music with their own version. Stupid people, Peter Gabriel's "I Grieve" is much better than anything they can find. This scene got me choked up. I haven't cried since I was like 12, but the cinematography and the music just go hand in hand with this scene.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Missed the comment before hand. Oh come on, I call Spike getting his soul jumping the shark for Buffy. What, one vampire with a soul wasn't good enough? Were they so desperate to get Buffy and Spike together that they had to rehash the same ol' trick "someone give the vampire a soul". Come on. ;) As for DC characters, it's a logical step. There's only so much "high school" stuff you can do, and other than Aquaman, most of the introduction of the characters to the series has been pretty good. Green Arrow was a recurring character, who most fans actually enjoyed seeing. He was our Bruce Wayne, since we can't have the real one. You have Spike, eh? Well, so did we actually. James came over as a recurring character, Milton Fine, for season 5...so we've had Spike as well. :P Plus, Jensen Ackles (Dawson Creek fame), Eric Johnson, not to mention Michael Rosenbaum (you know, a male actor who's had more of a career than all your male actors combined), should I mention Justin Hartley? Plus, who wants Xander and his one eyed self. I dont know about you, but I don't want to have to baby-proof the house if he stops by, him and his lack of depth perception.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I remember both of those episodes. That was a shocker when Tara got killed out of no where. What? You didn't think the heat vision was cool? (I'm off to bed, I'll catch your response in the morning) Later.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Quick side note, I wonder if that clip turned Alexis Denisof on. I bet he watches that over and over again.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well you just mentioned all those males, so I was mentioned the males on Smallville. Why is Smallville better, one important thing: "personal sacrafice". It's much greater on Smallville than it is on Buffy. At least Buffy got have relationships. Clark was in love with Lana from the moment he met, but could never be with her because of his secret. Even when they started getting close, and eventually did get together, his secret always pushed them away. There's a great moment in season 1 where he actually has her kryptonite necklace (in a lead box Lex gave him), and he's contemplating giving it back (she doesn't know he has it). If he gives it back, then he's going to lose her because he can't be near her when she wears it. In the end, when he watches her and Whitney (her b/f at the time) together he realizes that he'll never be able to give her that and fights the k-poisoning long enough to return the necklace. He returns something to her that can kill him. That's pretty self sacrificing, and that's what makes the show great. They beat up on Clark, especially in the later seasons when they are out of high school (which in my opinion, these seasons away from HS, with the more adult stories are the better ones). There are several episodes back-to-back where he gets kicked down by the writers. Plus, there's nothing better than being able to watch a man become a villain. It's one thing to for them to already be villains, but to see what drives a man down the dark path (avoided the opportunity to say "dark side") is a lot of fun. Also, knowing where Clark will end up (i.e. Man of Tomorrow, Superman, whatever you want to call him) is the fun part of watching him get there. Why does he make the choices he makes? That kind of stuff. That is why Smallville is unique and fun. Anyone can watch a hero save the day, few know where the hero will end up in the end and get to see the journey that creates that hero.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

He was a dirty vampire. She is a vampire slayer. Does anyone else not see this coming? I saw the episode where Angel takes back his vampirism. I've seen most episodes of both series. Let's see, Clark was born with his abilities he didn't ask for them. Angel screwed around centuries prior and got his cummupins (sp). Clark would give anything to be normal, but every time he loses his powers he is forced to get them back because: 1.Someone leeches them and then abuses them, so he has to steal them back, 2. He disobeys his biological father, powers are stripped, then there is this nuclear missle crisis where he gets shot and killed. Biological father gives back powers but at the cost of the life of someone he loves. Now he is burdened with the knowledge that because he disobeyed initially, he has indirectly sacraficed the life of someone else (even harder when you realize first it's the love of your life that bites the dust, but when you beg to have it reversed that it's your own father that takes the place...screwed from both ends). Clark only wants to be normal, but can't because he can never escape his destiny (which he's always trying to do, even though he has no clue what that destiny is). Angel kills people, Clark actually saves the lives of those that attempt to kill him, because he'd rather look for the good in people (sacraficing himself in the process) then allow another person to die.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Who came first, Angel or Angelus? It's one thing to have a dark side that comes out occasionally thanks to red kryptonite, it's another to have been quite evil (actually known for being evil) and to get your soul back from a curse (at least Spike actually did it on his own accord) and then spend the rest of your life trying to make amends for all the wrong deeds. He's a hero born from guilt; a hero no less, but it wasn't who he originally was.

I was actually going to make the comparison between Buffy and Clark awhile ago, but I figured my last statement would give you the chance to go ahead and open the door before me. How they both started, basically against their will, trying to fight their destinies but always being drawn back into them...very similar. I think the key differences are how it affects their outside lives. Neither can have long lasting relationships because of the lives they lead, but kind of for different reasons. The "real" relationships Buffy has, the men usually know who she is (at least in the end) and are accepting of it...something just usually happens later that screws it all up (no pun intended on the "screw"). Clark can never get that close because he cannot tell his secret to just anyone. He's only been able to have one true relationships with someone he could trust, and that was Lois. They are similar in other ways as well. They both wouldn't really be accepted in society if they just came out and told their secret to everyone (not including if you save the world or something and then tell them who you are). Buffy says "I'm a vampire slayer, with superhuman strength and great puns" and people (general people) are like "Ok, this way to the padded room". Clark says "I'm an alien, with superhuman strength and other abilities you couldn't understand", and people say "This way to the operating table, let's find out how similar you are to us.." One will be fed meds, the other would be dissected, so they both kind of have that "loner" necessity.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

By the time Clark is "Superman", everyone's a bit more accepting of things. I mean "Clark Kent". Before he starts saving the world all publicly. If he were to reveal his secret to the wrong person, he'd be government food before the week's out.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the best ending would be for it to end reminescent of the first scene of Christopher Reeve in the original Superman movie. Where he has completed his training, accepted who he is, and is ready to "be revealed to the world". They can do the blurred field of vision with it as well, just like Donner did when he first showed the suit in the film. But that's just me. "Aqua" was fine, I just couldn't stand Alan Ritchson. Justin Hartley's Aquaman from Aquaman (TV program) was much better. I've never seen Heroes, but it was created by some of the executive producers of Smallville. It also doesn't have the same feel to it that Smallville has. It's about people with extraordinary gifts, but they were all human. Plus, they came in when Smallville was a 5 year veteran? Smallville will look old next to most television shows. It's going into its seventh season, and the story arcs, acting, special effects, everything really are just getting better each season. We get Supergirl this season (the real one, not that phony from the finale of Season 3), plus more of Phil Morris as John Jones. I think Gough or Millar said that Clark and Lois are going to notice that they have a stronger attraction to one another this season as well. Nothing major, just a realization that they care deeper for each other than either of them realize. I'm excited. :)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

No. It was made based on the success of the Smallville episode, but they had no intention of casting Ritchson. It was going to be an origin story, like Smallville. It was a pretty good pilot. You should read the article, I wrote that one too (though I had a bit more help from others on that one). Batman isn't one because of the films, and I think the Batembargo leaks into this as well. Like, certain characters cannot be featured in the Batman animated show, and I think since they have an on going Batman franchise with the films now, he's presence in Smallville would probably conflict with things. Then again, we have two "Clark Kents" out at the moment, though I prefer Tom to Brandon. Marvel hasn't really had good luck when it comes to live-action television series. They had the animated Spider-Man and X-Men shows in the 90s (which were awesome), but I don't think their subject matter really transfers well to the small screen. Other than Bill Bixby's The Incredible Hulk, which was a great show. I'm a big fan of Bixby.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I've heard it is. It'll be like other shows, meaning I'll buy it but not watch it on TV. I hate commercials, and a lot of the primetime channels don't come in as well either.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The writing is great. There's no one else who could have pulled of Peter Parker. It's the only movie that manages to balance action, drama, romance, and humor at the same time. X2 is good, but it's not better. It just doesn't have the same tempo. Spider-Man 2 is the only one I could have seen getting a best picture nomination. The cinematic styling of it all, the music, plus...X2 didn't have Bruce Campbell in a cameo role. Speaking of, his cameo in part 3 is the most hilarious thing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Char lists

Yeah, it's fine for now. Include everyone. Per the style guidelines, minor characters go in a "list of" page. We can trim the info down later, and since I have the two making of books, I think we could probably get some OOU information on just about all of them.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The Chain

What did you think of it?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It's very good, in my opinion. It slips into Charmed territory with some of the new types of creatures now confirmed to exist in the Buffyverse, but doesn't feel quite so lame as when Charmed introduced them. Hell, I'll just say it. It's not a spoiler, anyway. Fairies. Andrew's in it a bit - and is hilarious. Giles is in it a little and is cool. Loads of awesome cameos from past Slayers (except you know, the big three: B, K and F). And the whole thing is really sad. Some people who live in San Diego got to read the first few pages of "No Future For You" and apparently it makes you gutted we never got a Faith spin-off.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It's only Charmedlike in the sense that there's fairies and an all-out fairy-demon brawl which reminded me of a Charmed season finale... There's also living leafblowers and mystical slimy slug monsters. But it's done in the totally realistic Buffy/Angel "Smile Time"/"Once More..." surreal way. Which should make no sense. Unless you watch Buffy. So I assume that made sense to you? Oh, and I'd also advise getting Spike: Shadow Puppets which is really funny and I hope gets made canon. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It is shaping up quite well! As for canon, I feel it can be counted until something more official says it doesn't and if the writing/tone matches. And Shadow Puppets is pretty close. I think I'll buy Shadow Puppets when it comes out as a TPB, until then I'm reading ... through other means. I buy Countdown and Buffy and Birds of Prey (which is amazing! Gail Simone = Joss Whedon in terms of awesomeness) as soon as they come out, but everything else I have a more skeptical approach with. My local comic shop is pretty decent for getting in pretty much everything. Stuff I know I'll be buying when it comes out is Batman and the Outsiders, any Season Eight spin-offs (here's hoping for a superteam or a whole new character/mythology in the same universe) and any Avengers: The Initiative spin-offs which center on Trauma because I think he's a cool character. Anyway, night! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 01:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. Can't wait to see it in colour. ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd quite like her and Willow to break up but she still be a character we see from time to time. Two lesbian characters don't have to be dating each other'n'all. Fans will like her more if she's her own person, and perhaps grow to like the idea of a slow-burning romance if they ever chose to put them back together. Of course, that would require a major ongoing side plot and Season Eight does seem to be cycling characterset-to-characterset through the whole Buffy universe... maybe one day we'll see more of a her in a spin-off?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

A Kennedy book would be awesome. Put an official writer on it, "declare" it canon (seems to sell things well when they do that!). If she's not gonna appear too much in the main comic series. And yeah, a Willow spin-off series would be good but they would have to sort of... find her own supporting characters, but at least Amy and Warren make fantastic antagonists. And I'm hoping that a big "surprise" at the end of Angel: After The Fall #12 will be a two-page spread or something that's basically a "dum dum dum" - Cordy's back. Illyria (well, Fred) and Cordy would make good Willow supporting characters, come to think of it.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:42, 28 July 2007 (UTC) Oh, and goodnight... again. Timestamp! 23:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, one last thing before bed. More [After The Fall news] and the fans underneath discuss a brilliant way to bring Cordy back. That's all anybody wants! Lol and some mystery Angel character may get their own spin-off - Illyria, Connor or Gunn, you think? Anyway, night. F'real.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Good news

Lynch is now canon.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm really excited about Angel: The Fall, hehe. I just wanna see the giant fish made canon tbh.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 11:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Captain J

Yes, I'm still working on it, just I've taken a break while I've got uni applications, work and boyfriend stuff to deal with! Still, let's hope to get a sustainable FA for before S2 starts! :D~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It's been nominated for FA now.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna do some more summarisation (after I watch this film, The Night Listener) but I'm not sure the Jason Voorhees method is necessary - Andrew Van De Kamp is a FA. And yes, one more paragraph should be added to the lead as the article is 42kb long and the guide is one paragraph per 10kb.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 17:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I contracted the history (a lot) - can you proofread it because there may be typos and grammatical errors from when I fused sentences or something that my eyes just aren't picking up. Also? Fix it anywhere you feel needs fixing!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 19:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I just walked in the door and saw it. My first comment was going to be about that. You have redundant sections. You cannot have a "Character History" and an "Appearances" section. They constitute the same information. Merge them is the best bet. Also, the image of the cast of Torchwood, doesn't meet fair use criteria. This is an article about Jack Harkness, not the entire cast of Torchwood. Someone needs to check citation #37, because you can see the code in the reference section. I haven't read the article and I already stumbled across the first peacock term - "tumultuous" - in the first sentence of "Character history". So, that says to me that it probably needs a good copy edit to remove any other similar wording. This, "Jack can both be compassionate and ruthless." has no citation. It would be considered original research to note instances of his actions and then draw your own conclusions. Also, you cite 4 episodes in that succeeding sentence, one of them is cited twice.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I just got back from a long drive so I don't know when I'll be able to sit down and read the entire thing for specific issues.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Silly people. Kenny, a real person? I feel sorry for the real Kenny then, that's a lot of medical bills to have to pay. People always thinking you're dead.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, here's a possible updated version of the page if the two of you could give it a once over?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I gave it another (big) update. Should I submit it to the main article space? ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:02, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Nah, but I hated the stuff about whether he was even a Captain or not (obviously written by some disgruntled Captain of some boat somewhere :P) so I'll just wipe it. If I put the Barrowman quote in the box, there'll be no section left!~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Does boxification improve it? :) ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 22:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I think you're correct, consistency is better! I was just trying to entertain the casual editors wondering why on earth I'm making so many edits :P ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Just done some more summarisation. I tried it without the headings but then it looks messy =/. Hmmm, still thanks for all the help! ~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Buffy questions

I'll take time to quickly answer some of these for you:

• Dates should be linked fully, ala December 25 2007, but you don't have to link December 25. Be specific if you just link a year, like 2007 in TV or something.
• I think awards for Gellar can go under a section regarding her performance, like the "Johnny Depp" section in Jack Sparrow.
• DVD features should be cited as the year of release.
• I'm most like the Doctor.

Alientraveller 11:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

If you're citing an episode or a film, use the cite video template to cite the date of broadcast or year of theatrical release. A DVD special feature is cited by year of release of the DVD package it first popped up in. I mean, The Return of the King was out in 2003, but all the citations come from the 2004 DVD release.

As for me identifying with the Doctor's character, I can say my Asperger's Syndrome does make feel alienated from others, yet my Christian goodwill gives me a strong moral compass, so in turn I am both loving and infuriated by humanity in general. If you've read Gulliver's Travels, I guess you may understand a dislike of humanity, but love for individual humans. So I suppose like the Doctor, as a whole, beyond the quirks of each actor, as a shy but trustworthy individual. That said, I'm quiet like Tennant, intelligent like McGann, eccentric like T.Baker and confident like Pertwee and Eccleston. Plus, for whatever reason every girl I've befriended, I always tried (and failed) to turn it into a proper relationship. Alientraveller 11:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't stand Maths and Science, although I mean in a classroom manner, as robotics and aliens are clearly quite cool, so I am a sci-fi geek, and the Transformers saga is just a stroke of genius in combining both. So there's my Aspergish perception regarding Tennant's Doctor: I don't think he babbles, but clearly people always tell me I do. Funny, I feel like I never get to say enough. Alientraveller 11:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you got your answers while I slept. I cited 1980 for the year of the film. I didn't cite the year the DVD was released, which is probably best if you are using commentary (which I'm noticing Alient already said, as I type this). I was merely citing the film for the plot information. I don't know who I'm most like fictionally. I took one of those superhero tests a long time ago, guess who popped up at 72%? Superman. :). As for the multiple Buffys...They aren't really that significant to the plot, I would graze over alternate universe Buffy. She probably only deserves a sentence of information, two at best. Buffybot could have a bit more. The comic info seems even less important than the one alternate universe episode of the show. I'm sure all those books are on Amazon or some other online store.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't the BuffyBot actually replace Buffy while she was dead, or missing (I can't remember what, but I could swear she was gone, and the Scooby Gang didn't want villains to know the truth). As for the non-Buffy decoy, the reason I see that as less important is because it wasn't Buffy (e.g alternate universe), and it didn't replace Buffy (like the Bot), but was simply a diversion for one comic issue. That's just me. You might be able to work it in so that it works out just fine. LOL, yeah, picture me as Superman. I might have some of the same personality characteristics, but I certainly won't be lifting landmasses any time soon.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Just leave yourself a note somewhere mentioning them, and focus on the real Buffy for now. By the end, you may find a way to include them, or you may find that they are not needed at all. You could simply have a "See also" section and link to those characters (or appearances if that is where they are mentioned). I saw that on your user page. It's probably better than saying "I think I'm kind of like John Wayne Gacy or Ed Gein when it comes to my love for children and my love for my mother".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Extreme...yes. Funny...also yes. Point being that at least you aren't listing those types of people.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I took a test and the test compared me to Superman. I don't know if I could compare myself to anyone, I like to think of myself as a very unique person. LOL, yes I don't get on people's nerves. Apparently, Erik and I have angered an entire website community. There have been others, I just didn't list everyone. Though I find it funny that such people get so angry they start a forum thread, or vandalize my user page, I don't take pride in it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to go find it on MySpace, because that was where it was. I'm at work right now so I can't get on MySpace. I'm a social work major, so I would assume I carry a lot of the traits of many superheroes. Just none of the really cool ones, like flying, or heat vision. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I work for the state, so I tend to have a lot of free time on my hands here. The only catch is that the computer has filters so I can't access a lot of things. I wasn't aware of that comic. I'm not huge into reading comics and stuff. I have a select few at home. The Death of Superman series, from his death to his resurrection. And I have the birth of Hal Jordan as Green Lantern, the sequel to that, and his downward fall becoming 'Parallax'. That's about it. I had some other random comics when I was younger, but I have no idea what my mother did with them. Probably threw them away.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I try to read as many comics as I can, in the shop or the library. I spend my money on DVDs. You like Watchmen btw? Alientraveller 14:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I like Marvel more so than DC, but there are certain characters I prefer. Superman is at the top. I like Batman because of Tim Burton, who introduced me to the character when I was a child. I like Green Lantern as well, that's Hal Jordan, not just any GL. Marvel has more "cooler" characters. But the comics I personally bought, I bought those for a reason. They are key moments that I was interested in reading first hand. I'm much more of a movie person.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I love both Marvel and DC dearly. Alientraveller 14:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The classics. Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk (remember, I'm a Bill Bixby fan, so I loved the 70's show...even though I got reruns..seeing as I wasn't older enough to see it first hand), Wolverine (gotta love the adamantium), The Human Torch, and Gargoyles. The last I was familiar with from the cartoon, but as I read I find that Marvel made a comic line for them, so that is a point for Marvel.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Spider-Man 2 is the greatest comic book movie ever made, and this comes from a die-hard Superman fan.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

BB was a great new start to the series, and probably better than the original Spider-Man, but definitely not the sequel. Maguire and Dunst have chemistry. A lot better than Bale and Holmes. FF is a kids movie. It was kind of funny, but how you can you justify spending 20 minutes introducing 5 characters to their powers, when it took that long just to do Peter Parker in the original film? That movie felt so rushed. It was far better than Daredevil. That's for sure.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mind Daredevil. I don't hate Ben Affleck and I enjoyed the film enough to want to read the source material. FF is so bad it's good... almost. What about Sin City, now that's a damn good movie and an excellent comic book adaptation. Paul730 17:12, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

First, DD had fight scenes just to have fight scenes. How bad is it when the most entertaining character is the side-kick (i'm speaking of John Favreau's character). They even changed a lot of the backstory around. Colin Farrell and his bushy eyebrows, come on. The dialogue was pretty cheesy as well. Too much rock music throughout. I love rock, but let's get some real orchestra music in here, it's a movie for crying out loud.

I liked Sin City. Just like 300, but they are graphic novels (stupid semantics) so not the same category in my eyes. Kind of like V for Vendetta. All three are great graphic novel adaptations.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Got it. What Superhero are you?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm Batman! Alientraveller 11:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Just butting in, apparently I'm Superman. I got Hulk before on a different one.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Yeah, it's short. You could use your Bat-pencil to make it longer. Holy-rusted editing, Batman!  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 11:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I like everybody at Marvel really. Such a great fictional universe. Alientraveller 11:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I'm Harmony (78%) tied with Willow, followed by Cordelia (73%) and Spike (68%). I am least like Faith (45%) and Lorne (50%).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

What Buffyverse (Angel & Buffy) Character are you most like?

You scored as a Willow

Willow. Smart. Resourceful. Understanding. Full of Self-Doubt. Shy. Unstable. Your live has mostly been about relying on your smarts. You parents mostly ignored you, so you had to learn to be resourceful. Magic came along as a boundless frontier that had a unique set of chalanges and rewards. The mystical is one of most compelling things for you. Only love can surmount that. You emotions are a whirlwind of either strength or destruction. The combination of Brains, Magic & Overwhelming Emotions makes you a dangerous, but very interesting person.

Willow 85%

Cordelia 80%

Buffy 70%

Xander 68%

Spike 65%

Oz 65%

Angel 65%

Wesley 50%

Doyle 48%

Lorne 45%

Giles 45%

Anya 45%

Faith 43%

Harmony 35%

 BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

So it seems. I guess I can live with being a lesbian. lol. Homer Simpson would probably say, "Ooooh, leessbiansss....aaaaggghh (<--that is supposed to simulate the drooling sound)".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving the powers into characterization is apart of who she is, and should be fine. If you remember I have that brief mention of Jason's superhuman strength and invulnerability in that section. As for that magazine. Being "for fans" is irrelevant, it doesn't mean diddly. It's published, that is what matters. Now, was it self published is the question. If it's self published, then probably not, because Wiki has this thing about "anyone can have something published" theory. If it's something only sold from a website, or handed out at Comic Cons and other similar types of conventions...eh..probably not a good source to use for such stuff. You might want to, if you haven't already, check out this. It's Google Scholar. I cannot guarantee the usefulness of anything in there, but if you haven't checked it out, it can be helpful. Sometimes you'll find things are inaccessable via the internet, and you may either have to buy the book, or need to get to a public or school library to access it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's one for the key hits that include "feminism". [2]  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the magazine should be ok. Titan Books (which is owned by that company) is who publishes the Smallville companion books that I use for those pages. Just becareful what you use. If it's some fan submitted insert that talks about feminism, then it probably wouldn't be considered professional. If it's some regular writer for the magazine, or an exert from a professional writers, then go for it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Scroll

The scroll?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

That code was part of a template that got deleted, so it technically isn't supposed to be used [3]. I think the general consensus was that it hides the references in a manner that makes them hard to get to, because you have to scroll through the whole thing to check references, as opposed to simply scanning the lot directly. Apparently, the code itself has made its way to other articles because of the deleted template (Template:Scrollref)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I figured as much. It's tending to land more on obscure articles that don't attract a lot of attention, like fiction articles. If anything, I would much prefer a "Hide/Show" box, that way, if you needed to look at them you could click one buttom and see all of them together, but if you just wanted to read the page, it would certainly make it shorter if they all hid by default.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

RE: Spike pic

Probably. Though it's a bit unusual considering Wiki articles look prim on any resolution.--The Scourge 19:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a 1024x768 resolution, so it already looks centered. Along with anyone with the same resolution, it might seem pointless to center it.--The Scourge 20:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a vacation coming up so I won't guarantee those images any time soon. Most likely by the end of the month.--The Scourge 21:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

*sigh*, here we go

Well, I'm going to start cleaning up the Michael Myers page. It won't look anything like Jason when I'm done, other than structure and tidiness. I'm going to clean up that huge biography, and maybe try and get some characterization and popular culture stuff in. Just though I'd let you know, since you were pestering me about working on good ol' Mikey's article (just kidding about the pestering part). :)  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

That's pretty much what I mean. I have the 25th anniversary. THe sequel DVD I have has nothing. I'll probably skim the two articles (they're both featured) to see if they have anything useful. There's some things I can use from Jason's article. That "Psychological appearl of Movie Monsters" has him in it I believe, plus he usually appears in the same parodies on television with Jason. I think the "Creation" material is what will be lacking, and probably the "Casting" material, since we'll probably end up needed some kind of special edition DVD for all the films, which I don't think there is. My primary concern right now is cleaning up that damn film section, as it's written like a biography. This page is riddled with original research. If you find anything just drop it on the talk page of my sandbox.

Hey, I enjoyed the Spider-Man: TAS - Venom Saga more than I did Spider-Man 3. I think they did a better job of capturing the "dark spidey" and the sadisticness of Venom.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed the infobox image. What do you think?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

GMTA = Got My Total Attention? lol. Just kidding, I know what you meant. It's my favorite as well. People are going to be awfully pissed when all those images are gone. Anyway, I was meaning to tell you, it would be great if you could help find some characterizations that talk about not revealing his eyes through the mask. I'm going to look myself as well, but 4 eyes are better than two, and probably better than black ones. Reason being, I love that line so I'd love to include it as a quote box in that section...though we need surrounding text so that it just doesn't look like some random thought.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I generally don't like to use in-universe quotes to characterize fictional characters, because it just lacks that OOU tone. I mean, when you think about it, a real person wrote that, but they don't stop the show to elaborate on how that is. I mean, like how I would like to use Loomis' dialogue, if you can find "real" people discussing these points that the character brings up, then I think it's fine. You know, find people that talk about how she is a reluctant heroine, the loneliness of her life, but how she always comes through to save the day..well, at least the first two points because that is really about "who she is". Finding that stuff, then I think the quote is fine. Just like I hope to find some stuff about Michael being characterized as the devil, pure evil, or something of the like...and find some stuff about people focusing on how you really don't see his eyes all that much in the first film (which, oddly, you see them quite a bit in the rest of them).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:11, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear lord, they're fighting over what images to use on the article. Boy are they going to be mad when I'm through. The biggest complaint I heard over at the Smallville season articles is that "the images are all gone, stop!".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You assume it was his eyes in II. If she hit just above the eye, in the brow, that would blind him (all the blind going into his eyes). Eh, I liked H20's mask way better than the previous 3 masks, or the Resurrection mask. Um...fair use for Buffy's death? Hasn't she died like 10 times (j/k, I know it isn't that many, but she has died more than once). You have to establish why this death is so important. It's important to fans, but not the casual reader. At least, not important enought to say "hey, she died here, look at the image". You have to be like "____fill in lots of expostitory text____". Depends on what you find, because an image just sitting there will be taken as eye candy in a review.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)