User talk:Jeffpw

In spite of myself, I have become a well meaning Wikipedian

Living in SEA

Hi Jeff. Glad you like the blog-page - I think it's about the best use I can make of that page.

Living in SEA: as a nurse, you could try signing up with an NGO to work not directly as a nurse but as a trainer. I know that somewhere on the Web there's at least one site that functions as a clearing-house for NGO-workers seeking jobs, but unfortunately I have no idea what the name is. I did a quick googlesearch and came up with this UK group. A better bet might be ReliefWeb. As for me, I live off my investments, not off my writing - freelance journalism is fun, but it makes maybe a thousand dollars a month, not enough to live on. 203.189.134.3 10:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bishop

Can you include on the next LGBT newsletter, Elizabeth Bishop as a collaboration project ?

Elizabeth Bishop was the greatest lesbian poet of the twentieth century.

She deserves to have an FA status article in her honour.

Thanks,

Tovojolo 09:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

newsletter ideas

Hi, I suggest posting a draft to talk and also adding more positivity encouraging readers to check out relevant articles like our recent bizarre vandal bout resulting in Sister Roma article actually being attacked but then a handful of editors fully referencing it. Also Waylon Smithers and Queer Eye have both gotten makeover and gone to GA status., etc. Benjiboi 23:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Test Pattern Night Lights

Hello from a fellow Kucinich supporter. I'll be happy to fill you in about the Indian Head test card night light - I still have mine and I can take pictures if you'd like to see it. The night light with the Indian Head test card design was sold as one of a set of three test pattern night lights by the Archie McPhee company in Seattle. It was item #10480. I spoke with Mikki at Archie McPhee's Customer Service (425-349-3009) this morning, and she verified that these were created by the company -- not obtained from an outside source -- and sold from January 11, 1999 to June 17, 2005. They've been discontinued for now but with McPhee who knows, they might decide to make them again if they get enough requests. I did find a number of other items related to the Indian Head test card on ebay, including a quilt design based on it (item 8102081440). --Bluejay Young 17:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Thank you so much for your help. I couldn't have done it without you.--Nemissimo 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It is great to see that you haven't given up on the article! Thanks a lot! Hartelijk dank!

Regard --Nemissimo 20:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Stalking

No comment hot shot!  ;-) --David Shankbone 00:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Andre Douzet article

The Andre Douzet article can be re-contributed to Wikipedia following its deletion. Those responsible for placing the article on Wikipedia have books and magazines for sale. Those responsible for placing the Douzet article on Wikipedia believe in pseudohistories and an assorted variation of speculative theories on Rennes-le-Chateau no matter how contradictory they may be in nature. By blocking my obsevations you are letting these people win their cause.

This Wikipedia article has a criticism section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Blood%2C_Holy_Grail

And there is this Wikipedia article solely devoted to the criticism of a novel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_The_Da_Vinci_Code

Can a criticism of Andre Douzet be introduced?Wfgh66 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I have no opinion. Do not contact me about this again. Jeffpw (talk) 13:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Covering the annoying fundraising banner

Hi, and thank you very much for the concept! I think I have improved on it with User:Jeff G./Ribbonbar, using 'class="metadata" id="developer"', which has the advantage of working on at least one other project (Commons:User:Jeff G./Ribbonbar), instead of 'id="title-override" class="topicon"'.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 19:53, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Always pleased when I can help the project editor's out! :-D Jeffpw (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Sock puppeteer and puppets blocked.

I'm guessing that you'll see this first thing in the morning.

• Announced at WP:AN/I.
• Repeat announcement at Talk:James I of England.

Hope that sets the tone for the day. :) --AliceJMarkham (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

That about does it for me, dear! :-D Thank you so much for starting what promises to be a very long day on the right foot. Jeffpw (talk) 06:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

BDSM

"Hallo Jeff! That wasn't Nibble's sister you wear as a ski jacket - it was mine. She used to help clean my pelt with her tongue. She had the best tongue for pelt cleaning. I miss her."

"Jeffffff...I love you...please don't make a coat out of me!"

"Hullo! I've come! To back up my friend Nibbles! Our pelts keep us warm and dry and make terrible accessories at dance clubs!"

Hi Jeff, I just wanted to let you know, that I move the article today. Do you think it to be ready to be moved on the quality scale? Is a peer review still necessary? Kind Regards. --Nemissimo (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I would definitely submit it for Peer review, and would also take it to the Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors. They're really good at their work. And as been pointed out by more thna one editor, it needs a lot more refs. Did the original article have useful refs you could use in the new version? Jeffpw (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm kind of short on English refs and don't believe Germans will do alone. Do you think I can post a request on Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors already? I'm kind of worrying, that the article might degrade if I wait to long. Watching the development of the old :en and the the original :de version I've seen over and over again that the topic is a great temptation for dozens and dozens of IPs trying to add links and original research *shrug Guess this is not my day. Regards.--Nemissimo (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I and several other editors are watching it now, and will revert as needed, so don't worry about that. The German refs are OK, if you were concerned about the language. I didn't look at the English article, but will go into the history tomorrow and see if any might be helpful. I just can't tonight--I worked a 16 hour shift and am practically braindead. just off to smoke one last cigarette and then off to dreamland. Jeffpw (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Very simular with me today. Goede Nacht.--Nemissimo (talk) 00:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh David! That's a chocolate beaver! My favorite kind. It was his brother that PETA desecrated. Fortunately I still have his blonde sister as a ski jacket. Jeffpw (talk) 00:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Just look at that wet messy thing! You'd never know from his picture how fabulous he looked draped around my shoulders. Jeffpw (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

And there's nothing like a tongue for cleaning a beaver! Jeffpw (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

ugh! That is so gross, Jeff. I don't know if I like you anymore. ;) - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Good lord, Jeeny, I don't know what you could possibly be thinking, but I am sure it wasn't very nice. A little WP:AGF, please. Anybody who has seen my contributions knows I am probably the most well meaning of Wikipedians. I advise you to get your mind out of the gutter and perhaps spend a week editing the Pollyanna article in order to build some moral character! Jeffpw (talk) 11:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

LMAO! OK. I think you need to get your mind out of the gutter. :p Because killing cute and innocent animals to wear as clothing is yucky. :( - Jeeny ^(talk) 14:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't kill them, Jeeny. Nobody did. According to my furrier, they were distraught and jumped into the traps. I hear being covered in fur can be a catalyst for crippling depression. Keep an eye on your pets for any worrisome signs. Jeffpw (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Anne Frank Tree?

Any luck getting a picture? An update at WP:NETH would help inform others whether they should try to get there. If you do get there, you might also try asking the Museum staff for help; they might be willing to open a door for you for a few minutes to help the tree's documentation (my most recent success was a photo of equipment inside a TV news van after explaining to the bored technician what I wanted). I just got a new camera but I'm thousands of kilometers away. (SEWilco (talk) 22:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC))

I actually went there, bought a ticket, and still couldn't get a shot of the tree. I'm going to call tomorrow morning to see if someone there will allow a photo to be made. It seems a very minor request. If others want to try as well, that might be good. There's also a webcam, so I wonder of we could use a screen capture from that? Jeffpw (talk) 22:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I am going to try to grab a copy of that and file in case it is needed, but it's not a very good image. It's been hard for me to catch the webcam with good light. (SEWilco (talk) 05:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

I gave up on trying to time my webcam capture and left a script grabbing a shot every ten minutes. I should have as good a low-resolution image as the weather today allows. Good luck with your hunting for a good quality shot; if the court delays the removal then you might have more time to arrange a photo. (SEWilco (talk) 16:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

Oh, no picture. Too bad. (SEWilco (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

Beaver attack

Jeff, a beaver overtook my keyboard and attacked your User page. I noticed it right away and reverted him, but you should really be careful - those beavers are getting more dangerous and you are obviously on their hit list. --David Shankbone 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

My God, David! Isn't the Al Qaeda bad enough!?! Do I have to worry about beaver terrorists now, as well???!! What is the world coming to? What did I ever do to deserve this beaver madness????? I must be grateful for tender mercies, however, so I thank God I have good friends like you to protect me from these vengeful rodents (and don't tell me they're not rodents--I saw the photographic evidence). Jeffpw (talk) 09:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why, but this made me laugh. A lot! Maybe it's because I was reading this page from the bottom up, so went from Knives to BDSM to Beaver...  :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Can't keep away

I'm back. It was wrong of me to appear to resign in a fit of pique. It was the words and support from yourself and people like yourself that meant a great deal to me and persuaded me I was being un-reasonable and acting badly to the community. Many thanks, as ever. Pedro :  Chat  13:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

BDSM reloaded

Coming into reach.

I added further sources and rearranged the images.

I'm afraid I won't be able to add significantly more references.--Nemissimo (talk) 13:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to do what I can (typing with my almost amputated index finger which is now bound up to the wrist). Jeffpw (talk) 13:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Upps... that sounds bad... I wish you a fast and painless recovery. Get well soon! --Nemissimo (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's the kind of pain that BDSM refers to... at least I hope not. Cutting off fingers doesn't sound like good clean kinky fun to me. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I guess you can say the Global Knife lives up to its advertising claims. I heard the company used to make Samurai swords. I believe it now. Jeffpw (talk) 16:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

From the article: "In addition, the handles themselves have been criticized for being too narrow, causing a slippery grip for some users." -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't the knife, but the clumsy user. I worked 16 hours yesterday, was in a hurry when I was carving a pork roast, and didn't set it on a good surface (for the record, ceramic plates do not make good carving surfaces). The roast flew across the room, the knife continued on its downward path, and I got a a nice trip to the ER on my day off--sort of a busman's holiday for a nurse:-s Jeffpw (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Poor Jeff, we have the saying, "who has the damage never has to worry about the mockery". ;-) I seriously hope there won't be any lasting damage. Btw if you're really into knifes try aritsugu one day (there really should be an article on the company). Best blades I ever held in my hands. ;-) --Nemissimo (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply: Robert Chambers' potty mouth

Wikipedia is not censored, and they are direct quotes. This was discussed on the incident page for BLP, where you first went with your original question. The page has been viewed by several editors, and there are no BLP concerns. There was a copyright vio that was dealt with, but for the rest, the article provoked no worries. By the way, on the talk page you cans ee there was a recent Afd about this article, with consensus to keep. Cheers, Jeffpw (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Funny but I was just editing the Robert Chambers' page for grammar, etc. I didn't get any previous replies so I did edit some of that out. I was concerned that perhaps some youngster or other would stumble upon the page. Some people are upset with the F--- word so I try not to use it myself, but according to one source that I can't verify, it appears to be an acronym for "Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge". I'll leave you with that and I'll continue putting the Chambers page in better order.--MurderWatcher1 (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It isn't an acronym. We have an article on Fuck which I think has its etymological history. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 16:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Interesting! BTW, Jeffpw, yes I rechecked the reference. It did have that information. Comes by pretty quickly in the article so "skip-reading" won't work here. Thanks for the correction.--MurderWatcher1 (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you think that will be enough?

I mean I have done what i've told when contrabuting to this site, still have instances when my info is unjustly deleted.

I'm still grateful for what you've said, I'll do that in future

BDSM&Marketing

Could you please have a look on the following content for the according chapter?

"In March 2007 the Swedish clothing company H&M promoted the sale of a collection compiled by Madonna with television commercials in Germany (was this shown anywhere else as well?). The commercials showed the artist, who has been reapetedly critized for the use of sadomasochistic sujets in the past, as a dominant lifestyle-ikon teaching a lesson to a "inappropriately" dressed female pupil under the cracking of a crop, redesigning (?) her outfit while giving fashion statements like "Don't think it – you need to know it".

The English claim "Don't think it – you need to know it" is a direct citation.

This definitely was the biggest femdom-campaign ever shown in the German speaking countries. ;-) --Nemissimo (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that's a very good example. Ideally there would be a reference for it. Also, the text (was this shown anywhere else as well?) should be removed. Jeffpw (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I will look for a source, the text (was this shown anywhere else as well?) was directed at you. ;-) If the English is OK I will integrate it.--Nemissimo (talk) 17:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Added the text with two sources, which while showing plenty of images (one with a crop), don't comment directly on the sadomasochistic style of the spots. I guess its so well known over here, that they don't have to mention it. Hope you feel better, have a nice weekend. :-) --Nemissimo (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

If I have time, I'll try to find another supporting ref. I just copyedited the newest text addition of yours. And you have a good weekend, too. Mine is ending with the 'morrow (I rarely get Saturday/Sunday free). Jeffpw (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the reverts. :) Acalamari 20:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

John Roman Baker

Unless you add something reliably to John Roman Baker, I feel compelled to contest the AfD. I, too, did some research on Google, but found nothing reliable about him. Can you improve the article a little for me? Pretty please? :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

You have me wrapped around your little finger, you do! :-P I'll work on it later this evening. Happy Thanksgiving. Jeffpw (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Aww - thanks :) Do you celebrate? Any ex-pat/American friends get-together? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I can do more, but this will keep him safe from your itchy little deletionist fingers:-D And no, I haven't celebrated Thanksgiving in about 15 years. Lovely holiday, but for me it;s just a normal work week. Jeffpw (talk) 19:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I hope you know I bear no ill-will against you, Baker, or even Aputheatre :) When I ran across these articles (because someone put them in LGBT cats), they just looked like so much fluff that I had to put them up for AfD. BTW, good work on Mr. Baker. I'm not convinced *all* of those are reliable sources, but the article looks *tons* better and is *tons* better sourced than when I AfD'd it. Thanks for your work! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

no, hon, I consider this a proper wiki challenge from you! And fun work for a cold winter's evening. I see how one could consider some of those refs self-promotion, as they are from the Aputheater site, but they are not from Baker himself. Let'sa hope I can find some Dutch refs for both of these articles. Jeffpw (talk) 18:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki etiquette

Sorry. I'm on vandal patrol. It appeared to be spam/vandalism at first glance in my tool because the changes added three instances of the word "Gay", the word "AIDS", and the word "Sweetshop" with also added outside link all in the same edit. --ZacBowling^talk 19:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. :-) --ZacBowling^talk 20:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny Stuff

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For your relentless dedication to this work, and tireless contributions "behind the scenes" it is my with humble appreciation I award you the invisible barnstar. Your hard work here, and honest and genuine comments make it easier for us all. Best Wishes. Pedro :  Chat  23:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Pedro, thanks a bunch! That's really kind of you, though I don't do anymore than the average Wikipedian! Jeffpw (talk) 23:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes you do, you make some of us laugh out loud. That is the best gift of all. Thank you Jeff. - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

A question

When you talked about "majority of Dutch people" and such, can I conclude from this you are Dutch? If you are not; what makes you think Dutch people take offense when hearing the word "Nigger" (neger)? I would like to hear your explanation. :) -The Bold Guy- (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I am Dutch. Jeffpw (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Of Dutch ancestry, or just living in the Netherlands?

Anywayz, ik ben erg blij hier wederom een landgenoot aan te treffen. Ik kon het zou gauw niet op je gebruikerspagina aantreffen, en Jeff kan best voor een buitenlands naam door gaan, dus ik had 't zo op het eerste gezicht niet geraden, Jeffpw! Hoe dan ook, mijn dag is weer helemaal goed!

Wel, wat ben ik blij om dat te horen. Ik weet dat het moeilijk is, in een andere taal te schrijven. Het is lastig om nuances aan te brengen. Dit was een simpel misverstand, en ik ben blij dat het opgelost is. :-P Jeffpw (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, btw, why do you want to restore the Pahlavi dynasty? Not their might, right? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a better leader for the country then Reza Shah was, without any doubt! The shah was to much orientated on America nd the west -- he was no good. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

On this we will have to agree to disagree. I have a deep admiration for the Pahlavis, and consider Reza Pahlavi the legitimate ruler of Iran. Jeffpw (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Ach ja, Iran is a nice country, and the Pahlavi's are good people. But I do not think it is good for them to rule Iran. You wouldn't want Willem-Alexander or Beatrix to rule the Netherlands, now would you? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

while the Shah's rule was definitely autocratic at its end, for most of his reign he ruled under a constitutional monarchy, very similar to that here in the Netherlands. I do agree that there were....how shall we say it? excesses in his rule, but that does not negate the fact that he modernized the country or that the country is in far worse shape under theocratic regimes. I would also be remiss if I did not add it still rankles me how he was betrayed by all of his western allies, particularly the United States. Sadat was the only leader with the common decency to take a friend in in his hour of need.

I have corresponded with Empress Farah, and find her to be a very intelligent, modern and thoroughly sympathetic woman. It is my great hope that she will be restored to her proper position in Iran before her death. As to the current leader, he is as insane as Hitler, in my opinion, and is bringing his country to the edge of another war, which is the last thing they need. Jeffpw (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Mahmoud Amhadinejad is not a Nazi at all; he opposes Israel, and why wouldn't he? He said on numerous occassions that he did in fact respect the Jewish faith, he only opposes Israel. Israel does not represent all Jews, so being against it is not anything I would call nazi-like. The things he said about "Whipping Israel of the map" were a mis-quotation from Farsi into English. His Holocaust denial, on the other hand, is something I cannot bare; it is foolish and barbaric and has not sense of logic in it at all. I personnally oppose Israel, yet I deeply respect the Jewish faith and have a Jewish wife who is also against Israel (anti-Zionism), yet practices Judaism. Her mother still mourns his father and his elder brother who were killed by the Germans, but he thinks what Israel is doing is wrong, and the aid sent by the west to them is wrong.

I think you are right when saying Empress Farah is a wise woman, and I truly respect her. It might be good having her honour histored and her and her families name cleared. Perhaps she could be in an advising position. I respect her, but I do not think she needs to rule the country once again. I don't think Ahmadinejads behavior is going to cause a war on his country; he would be wise not to provocate Bush, who, in all his foolishness, is able to attack Iran with probably devastating results...

-The Bold Guy- (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Auschwitz

I see the unprotect request has been declined, so hopefully that's sorted out. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

No, that was yesterday. Now an admin wants to either unprotect or open an Rfc on the issue. Jeffpw (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

RE:That Foot Fetsih Afd

Yes i am aware of that policy, and i guess that is what i should have done, thanks for the heads up! reply copied from tiptoety's talk page Tiptoety (talk) 17:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Frisians project

It is currently just an idea, but since me and some guys are planning to set up a project for Fryslan's inhabitants, and are in need of volunteersm would you mind to join us? It is very easy to do. I thought you might be interested, since you are a member of many projects, so you might join this one! If you are interested, just click on the link located here, please. Thanks in advanche, -The Bold Guy- (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Tendler

Note that the article is does not express an opinion on the alleged incidents but merely repeats what has been printed on a number of occasions in reliable sources. Thus, libel does not enter into it as quoting someone accutaly can NEVER be libel.

Whether the allegations are true or not are immaterial, the the fact that they have been made in reliable sources make them fine for wikipedia. See for example the article on Frank Sinatra. Lobojo (talk) 22:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra is dead. you can libel him to your heart's content, if you have sources. WP:BLP specifically says any potentially libelous material about a living person is to be removed. By the way, I have taken this to the BLP noticeboard. Jeffpw (talk) 22:58, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad example then. Are you saying that the article is libeling Tendler, and if so could you quote the offending statement(s) please? Lobojo (talk) 23:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying you should read the policy in its entirety, then see if the allegations I removed should be reinstated. As I said, I have requested a review of the article at the BLP noticeboard, so other, uninvolved editors can make a decision about it. I see you have replied at the noticeboard, so let's let them decide about the material. By the way, I hadn't read the article before the AFd came up, and was shocked that 2 admins had weighed in on the Afd without commenting. Perhaps you might want to contact them, tell them I have deleted the material, and ask their opinion. Jeffpw (talk) 23:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You haven't understood BLP at all, no offence, by the way. If you read the section on Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources you will see how far this is from being a problem. Libel is a very specific legal term that cannot possibly apply here unless the sources are being used out of context. Which they are not. This is why the admins didn't comment. Lobojo (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Biographies of living persons (BLP) must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy.

An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and as such it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. BLPs must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy.

I understand plain English. As I said, let the folks at BLP noticeboard sort it out. I am not reverting you, but I have posted in several places about the situation. Jeffpw (talk) 23:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

RE:user warned

Thank you! Tiptoety (talk) 21:11, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for your help with the annon IP, also i appreciate your comments, and suggestions as to how i can better my contributions to wiki. Tiptoety (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Tiptoety! I'm always glad to be of assistance to a fellow editor. Jeffpw (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

r family

LOL - you just fixed the ref I just fixed :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed ref 3 now. Jeffpw (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I found a better ref for 10, so I've put that one in. Will you check that thing about ref 8 and I'll see about the math for the capacity of the ship? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

See LGBT talk page. This is probably the work of Benjiboi's anon harasser. Jeffpw (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Your *sterling* reputation blinds me to even the hint of the possibility of being incorrect in any way, up to and including deleting cruft and harassment from WT:LGBT. In fact, I'd give you another shiny bit for it, but I see you're a bit overburdened as it is. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reported the 71.127.226.19 incident at WP:ANI [1]. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 06:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Kyoushoku

Hey, thanks for that. That user is getting annoying. Tiptoety (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, I steered him to the relevant policy pages and threatened him in a polite, WP:AGF manner, so let's hope he gets the point. :-D Jeffpw (talk) 10:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Incident

You accused me of cherrypicking. I was in fact summarising. The comment that you pulled out ""Of course, I wouldn't do that." was then directly contradicted by - "I will be forced to make the change unilaterally." It was the last comment that made me post on the incident page in order to prevent the start of another edit-war. If Relato re-added the material it would simply be re-reverted because there is no consensus for inclusion. Jooler (talk) 11:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Tidal wave / rogue wave / tsunami

Hi Jeffpw, I changed your edits to the Poseidon Adventure articles again; I now link to tidal wave, and clarify in a footnote that it can neither have been a rogue wave nor a tsunami. Note by the way that I also edited the rogue wave article two hours ago to reflect this, you may want to scrutinise that edit too... Thanks, and happy editing, Phaunt (talk) 14:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Addendum: this edit to the 2005 TV film article may also be interesting to you. Cheers, Phaunt (talk) 14:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a great compromise, Phaunt, and thank you for coming up with such an elegant solution. This is the kind of item that causes genuine confusion here--not because of the edit itself, but because the source material was so badly thought out that applying logic to the encyclopedia only muddles the issue further. I saw that other edit earlier, and smiled when I read it. Thanks, Jeffpw (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ik zie nu dat je ook Nederlands spreekt. Ik heb op de Nederlandstalige wikipedia gisternacht een kort artikel nl:Monstergolf aangemaakt, gebaseerd op het Engelstalige artikel, misschien dat dat je ook interesseert. (Het stukje over The Poseidon Adventure klopt daar nog niet...) groetjes, Phaunt (talk) 15:05, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the offer... I really could do with some help, as things certainly havnt gone that well so far...
I gladly accept, if you are willing to work with me

Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok... what kind of articles do you usually like to work on? So what do you think about Clarendon House Grammar School and Good Hair Day that can be improved so far?
How come people dont sign off their messages with kisses? or use emoticons at all? it just makes the whole thing seem friendlier... Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

User: Iamandrewice

Thank you SO much for stepping in to offer her adoption. I've been trying to help her out as best I can but I'm not familiar very well with the adoption process, and I've never really helped a newbie to this extent. She mostly just needs things explained to her better - she seems to be very overwhelmed right now. I came across her on the AN/I, by the way, so if you haven't seen her post there you should check it out. Kuronue | Talk 19:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

hey

sorry i didnt reply... i didnt see where in the page you'd left the messages.
Oh ok... so should I put in those citations that the other user left on the GHD deletion discussion page?
Did you see them by the way?
Well if you go to hair iron, i think it is... and then go down to the bottom, you'll see a list of hair iron brands.
And yes I will try to assume Good Faith... and Civility... lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

ok thanks...

how do you turn something into an archive? and what exactly is one? lol
oh i checked out that article you made... its really good! but i wouldnt be able to do anything like that... I mean...I struggled to find notable info on GHD's and theyre like really famous... so I dont understand how you got it so good... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Yes, intolerant xenophobes should be shown how and why they are wrong, though I'm not sure the help desk is the place to do it. Thanks for the comment. Astronaut (talk) 02:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

i've replied on my page by the way...

and also... i am running into difficulties. First of all, i dont understand about archives. Secondly, I am struggling a bit with referencing. Although I was able to copy what some user did before... I do not entirely understand it. Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ok i'll do that...

its gonna take a while... have you seen the length and complexity of those articles?! is it not possbible for users to go and simplify that? its no wonder there are people unaware of the rules when its so hard to actually just get a simple summary of them, dont you think? and sorry, I actually know the person in real life, and am just trying to get them established on wikipedia. They, like I was, are a little unsure of the way things work around here. I'm sure he/she will get on his feet soon enough. Well, anyway, on my userpage, i put a link to the sandbox so i could easily access it... but it doesnt seem to work. And on my edits to Clarendon... I was wondering how rather than having those really massive oversized titles i put on that didnt work... whether you could eventually explain how to turn them into the proper 'chapters' of an article, with that little box at the top of the page with links to scroll down the page to all the chapters... ill start working on those summaries... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ok jeff... i will talk to the user in real life about it. And no no... i didnt mean to tag the image with that... i didnt realise that was what the tag did. I have only taken two images myself, and those are the two original hair irons on the GHD page... Ben Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I managed to read the first one! :)

Assume Good Faith:

Basically... one must assume on wikipedia that everyone is editing in order to give what is seen as help in their oppinion. Even if you do not get on well with that other user, or that user makes a mistake, you are not allowed to assume bad faith on them, and must still hold the view that they are at least trying to help the site.
However... if a user is caught lying, using malicious sockpuppetery, or vandalising, then you may be permitted to assume bad faith on the user, and take action.
If someone assumes bad faith on you, you must still act with good faith, and act calmly... because an administrator will come along and sort it all out.
Did i miss anything out?
Ben
Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

oh also also... i just remembered... wikipedians should give new users an extra amount of assumption ov good faith or something... as they are unfamiliar with the rules. (although I was not given this by User:SteveBaker, who you seem to dislike me talking to...)Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if i sound arguementative here... but i honestly feel like i have a genuine point to make. It was Steve who did not follow the WP:AGF policy, as he assumed to another user on their talk page, that I had no care for wikipedia's rules. Even though I was trying my best and was extremely new (only a couple of days), and so was completely unaware of any of wikipedia's policies. Steve, however, as you mention, has been here for a long time, and therefore should have known better than that. In my oppinion, it is therefore he who has broken the policy. Oh, and by the way, those personal remarks on Steve's profile about LeeBaker or whatever werent actually from me... and were when my friend logged onto my account... which is, if you have noticed, why "I" am no longer discussing about that person, but instead about other issues... (how do you change your password on here by the way?) Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Well we cant exactly do much with a truce, as he doesnt want to accept that he is in the wrong in any way at all! and thanks... ive changed it. And you know... in a way, its kind of good that I ended up getting so much action first of all... i mean, i'm so much more experienced now lol... ok well if you go on User:SteveBaker's page, and look at the people he's adopted, with the exception of one (cant remember the name.... begins with 'th' or something...), most of his adoptees have hardly got anywhere, and look like they are still very new, whereas I am newer than all of them and have already been involved in so much more, even though not all of that has been to do with wikipedia article editing lol. Oh, I was thinking that if you are going to be my adopter, it might be helpful if we had some kind of other contact outside of wikipedia. Is this allowed? Myspace? well... i dunno, but it would kind of help in some ways... Ok about the WP:Civ... it basically says... that you should be nice to other users, and not lie, accuse them of lying or slandering (unless that is true and you cannot see that trying to keep the peace is getting you further), er... vandalling their user page.... errrrrrrrrrr... well in general just being civil. Oh, and more serious examples include racism, sexism, sexualityism (if thats a word?), and religionism. It says that if one user is uncivil with you, you should not act uncivily back... but just try to solve the issue, and then im not sure, but i think it said that if this doesnt work then discuss it with other people? Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Username

WP:UAA is for obvious violations - if you are concerned about User:Iamandrewrice's username but not sure if it's a violation, WP:RFCN is the right place. Make sure to discuss your concerns with the user first.—Random832 17:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

hey

well i saw about the complaint you made against me... does it matter that that isnt my name in real life? i dont want to have to start this account all over again... ive already got so much edits and contributions and stuff :(
you mention that i got off to a bad start, don't you like me?
ok well add me on www.myspace.com/ if you want... and yes the feeling is certainly mutual... you are a gud adopter.
And there is no such person as Andrew Rice that I am in relations with... I simply named my username after this person Andrew Rice... who is my favourite celebrity. I do not know at all who this Andrew Rice imposter is, and have dutifully deleted his incorrect commentations. Iamandrewrice (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well ok yes, can i change the account then?... and its just that i thought that myspace would give us a medium to communicate when wishing to talk privately from other wikipedian editors... its just that i noticed SteveBaker doing it for his adoptees with email, and i thought myspace mite be appropriate... as i use it more frequently than email, and it has a lot to say about me, so it may have been helpful to learn a bit about me. If you dont want to add me... just check out my profile or something... i dunno, well just think about it. And ok ill read that last one... also can you take a look at that sandbox link on my profile which isnt working... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Im about to go read the last thing you gave me... to be honest i dont think theres any point changing my username actually...i mean, my name is clearly mentioned on my page if anyone wants it. Oh did you have a look at my interests on myspace? Do we have anything in common that we can work on? Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

BDSMII

What a view.

Hi Jeff, I hope your hand keeps getting better.
Just to give you a short update, the article has been further adapted and at the moment the discussion on its structure has intensified.
I really don't know... I've been working on this baby for nearly 2 1/2 years now and somehow feel tired of having to discuss every thing over and over again (even being aware that this is the very nature of Wikipedia).
Maybe I'll consider it a "text donation" a way to give back to :en for the inspiration and information I received here for the :de version. To see the article cut in tiny pieces, loosing the general perspective will not break my heart, maybe it will be a good chance to see what you guys make out of it. To see 2 FA versions with the same roots might be interesting someday in the future. I have no idea what to do... Kind Regards and all the best. --Nemissimo (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you yesterday with this, it seems it just wasn't my day. ;-) --Nemissimo (talk) 18:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it make sense to ask the League of Copyeditors? And... how is your hand?? Regards--Nemissimo (talk) 10:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• BDSM#Legal status has arrived, this was made possible by an American user living in Germany and very active on :de. .... Yeeeesss. ;-) That's exactly what I had had in mind... --Nemissimo (talk) 16:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, let me put it that way... there is now a very decent :de article on Jell-O (de:Jell-O). ;-) But of course... in principle you are absolutely right.--Nemissimo (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

...

LGBT ey? are you sure you wouldnt mind that form of editing with me then?
what kind of things are you interested in? I'd like to work on something which I know we both like... could you add me on myspace or something? I wont contact you again on there if you do not want me to... its just that i think being able to see each other's profiles would be benefitial somewhat.
well i'm kind of interested in language as well... and i would say i am quite good in french... i took french gcse and A level a year early...
Fr:Théophile de Viau... you think I could work on translating this? its listed under the different language section of the LGBT page you gave me...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 12:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You speak Dutch don't you? does that mean you speak some french too?
Iamandrewrice (talk) 12:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Our ages? huh? oh! no no i didnt mean like anything more than just friends.
Its just I thought that it might enhance our wikipedian editing capabilities of working together...

and yes... i read it... ¬_¬
oh and also the third policy you gave me is about making no personal attacks. Nothing to do with race, age, gender, sexuality, disabilities, or anything like that... yeah... Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

yes... and lol, although at the time i honestly didnt understand what the definition of a Legal Threat was. Ok, how would I go about joining the group? And btw... if you noticed the other message I just got from someone... it is not true that I have 2 adopters, haha, its that I left comments for adoption before you offered to adopt me, so its just people replying from then... dont worry... and yeah... i read all of it thouroughly and stuff... its just... I kind of feel like you dont like being my adopter? ... Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

But you said you didnt want us to be friends...
and ok i've added my name to the list... how come your edit summary was something to do with presuming i have a name or something...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for correcting my correction, Jeff!

(I misunderstood the heading capitalization guidelines.)

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. There are seemingly rules for everything here <sigh>. Jeffpw (talk) 12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The refs given are adequate for everyone else you have seen the article

Everybody else has managed to checked the references with the full details given. If that was your problem, why did you continue revert me after I made the corrections to the refs - reverting the very changes you requested? There is no obligation to provide a blue link, where it can be done it should, but removing the refs completely is certainly not the answer. If you dont know how to use the info provided to find the original source I would be happy to give you a basic tutorial on finding primary sources at no cost to yourself. There is no need to make of big drama of every perceived slight to your honor, far better to stick to the point. Lobojo (talk) 15:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I have replied on the talk page several times, as well as on the BLP noticeboard. And at least one admin has looked at the article as you wrote it and reverted it as a violation, so please try to stick to the facts in your defense of the article. Jeffpw (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

So why did you revert my corrections to the sources? Corrections to the errors you complained about? Lobojo (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I reverted to the version without the BLP violations. And I am asking you nicely: Do not bring this to my talk page again. I have replied on the appropriate article talk page and wish to confine the discussion there. Jeffpw (talk) 15:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Right on cue...

I've delivered the welcome letter - am I that predictable!?!? :)

BTW, just a little note that we're coming up on Newsletter time. We have a new FA: But I'm a Cheerleader, nom & ed by Belovedfreak. And I might hope the Sa-Sc list will pass by then. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No dear, you're not predictable, you're reliable:-D. I am starting on the new newsletter. What do you think of Queer snowflakes?????????????????? Jeffpw (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

<blush>

Conceptually Queer snowflakes are fine. But I wouldn't want one marrying my daughter. :)

Do you think the Gay Snowboarders would mind me snagging the snowflake on the bottom right and pretty-fying it? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFect! I don't think the snowboarders (and what handsome, athletic young men they are, too) would mind at all if we tossed a rainbow on their snowflake. Jeffpw (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

ill make a start on translating then...

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

well... its just that... i dont really see why our age difference should stop us from being friends. That would just be shallow...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

look I managed to make my own userbox! Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

oh gosh im not an editor in good standing though... :S
lol
oh... by the way, is it possible in some way to upload the BDD userbox into the health (mental health) section of the WP:ubx so other people can use it? well actually i dunno if i shud anyway... its a bit... ermmm... not that good haha...
ive also commeted on my sandbox... Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Erm... yeah i kind of do need help lol...
i guess youve read the BDD page then :S ... well at least now you understand why i can sometimes be slightly touchy (especially when i first joined wikipedia lol)... im sorry...
Oh and with regards to the article in my sandbox... the standard of english in there @ the moment will not be what it is finally... im just getting a general translation for myself at the moment... although as you noticed, I had particular problems with finding an English correlative for the 'demoninations' section... Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

aww thanks... you didnt have to go find out for me... its not like it was major... i just thought you mite have known or something from your other userboxes... lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

o you wouldnt give me any details about you and your my adopter! yet you have no problem doing that with jenny! Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

but i dont see why you would have such a problem being friends with me just because im your adoptee... in my oppinion that is more reason to... this has left me all rather confused... Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

thats just being unfriendly and antisocial... if i got on well with my piano teacher then yes I would choose to be friends with her. Just like I have with some of my teachers at school... and they're certainly older than me... i just find it personally offensive that you choose not to want to get to know me even though you are prepared to lecture me Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not suggest 'lecturing' as a derogative term, i mean in teaching... i am simply saying that if you are prepared enough to teach me, then i do not see why there should be an artificial freindship barrier there... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem

I do think the allegations might be undue weight. The majority of coverage on this man is about the LAX shooting and public transportation. It should probably just briefly mention that he resigned in wake of his brother's scandal. Cool Hand Luke 17:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The more I look into this user's behavior, the more it troubles me. He appears to be pushing an agenda with these articles. As a nominal Mormon with no stakes in this, I find his comments very uncivil and insulting (how other editors should be a "good mench" and so forth). I think other users haven't given him a closer look because User:IZAK is perceived to be such a partisan. I'm going to disengage, but let me know if you continue to have problems with him. Cool Hand Luke 08:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeeny

I would appreciate it if you could try to make her understand that assuming good faith is not an option, it's mandatory. Hayden/Phral is an exception as he is a banned user, but that exception does not extend so far as to allow personal attacks against him. There is a simple solution with banned users: revert (with a civil edit summary, such as simply "reverting banned user"), block/request block at ANI or AIV, and ignore. Jeeny may not likely, but that does not give her license to fail to assume good faith of me, or of any other user on this project. I'm not going to be responding on her talk page (barring any future warnings), because I understand that it provokes her, and you're doing a good job of helping mediate that. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 20:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, Swatjester. I sort of did try to make that clear earlier. Perhaps I was too subtle:-s Jeffpw (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Is Jeeny still blocked for 2 weekz. Seth71 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

yes, she is. She needs to show some willingness to change, and agree to mentorship before she can be unblocked. Jeffpw (talk) 20:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

She never used to be like this. She is starting to speak her mind and in her case that ain't a good thing. This is about her 3rd time this month that she's been blocked. I just sit here shocked at what she's saying. She's scolded me for calling people idiots and now she's calling people fuckheads. I just wonder wants wrong with her. Seth71 (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Seth, I'm just having a few "issues" lately. I'll be better, with help. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 12:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Jeff, maybe you didn't notice the previous messages on my talk page where I was helped to figure this out. Then took back my message, which you acknowledged. To be scolded for a mistake, when I realized the problem and adjusted my message, all after the fact doesn't help. Anyway, I'm going to archive my talk page right now. It's a bit busy. Thanks. :) - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 11:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Honey, I'm not scolding you. I'm concerned. Yes, I had read the entire thread about this, but still felt I should comment that even if an admin had just blindly protected your page, WP:AGF would be a better way to approach the issue. Something like, "I see my page is protected. I didn't request it and would like to edit it. Do you think we can change the protection level?" would still get you the results you wanted. I know I may be coming across as a Wikipedian zombie; I just don't want you to have any trouble again, and hoped that a little coaching would show you how you can better approach issues. Jeffpw (talk) 11:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know now, thank you Jeff. :) That was a good response, one I should have made, and will file in my pee brain for the future. Thanks again. I just awoke, early, with a coughing fit? So, I'm going back to bed now. I think you should change your hours so you're on the same time as I am. lol. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 11:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I just sent you a long, incoherent email. Going to go to bed now ... again. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 12:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

oh wow thanks

but you really shouldnt have spent that long just for me... ;p
oh also, how did you create that page in the first place with just the userbox on it?
If you look at my recent contributions, I've tried editing Latino... but i dont see the problem with what i've put... Also, if you look at my page, I am making a table for the countries of latino populations (and no lol i didnt make the whole table, i took the code from another very similar article about british latinos or something... but im developing it for this idea). I thought it could be put on the Latino, Hispanic, Lusitanic, Mediteranean pages, and other pages about latino peoples. Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff can you help? some person left a comment on my talkpage and i dont know if its intended to be racist or what... and i have no idea what to say... And now im also confused... Latino people are people who have origins in Latin Europe right? and Latin Europe is the mediterranean right??? so then what is the difference between Latinos and mediterraneans? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff? or anyone whos online?

wot should I do about the person commenting on my talkpage? Im not sure if it comes under WP:NPA or WP:CIV... i think it does... can someone help and maybe give them a short block or something? i dunno... but im sure it cant be allowed... :S Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

hey thanks... well can you help me on this? im struggling to grasp the difference between Latinos and Mediterraneans. Arent they the same thing? And Hispanics and Lusitanics are just the latinos from europe (mediterraneans), who moved to the Americas. Am I right? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But thats the thing... I thought I did know a lot about it because I was always classified as Latino due to my mediterranean mother (even tho my father is english... but the mediterranean features have been more prominent), so I dont understand this new interpretation that that particular user has on the idea. Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh gosh Jeff... I dont know what now... I got another reply from him/her making more uncivil comments about my age and 'stupidity'... help? :(
Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And who are you?

I just told that user what he needs to hear, he has no clue. So please don't go throwing your weight around. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Who am I? I am an editor who takes civility very seriously. I suggest you do the same if you do not want to be blocked from further editing. Jeffpw (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

haha! wow this is a nice civil editor isnt it: 'dont go throwing your weight around'. LOL Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

but then again at least they said please... ;) lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure that must count as the third warning? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

jeff...

will this reference do to prove that people from latin europe are latino? [2]. If you press Ctrl+F (basically just 'find') and type in 'not latino'... the first search result that comes up on the page (and is highlighted), mentions how the latinos are "the Latin European people are the people who invaded and settled “Latin” “America” from Europe"... is this good enough?

p

oh and thanks for stepping in with TeePee... Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ergh... this is gonna be like GHD all over again... lol... i really find it hard to find reliable sources... im gonna keep trying tho :)
OK, is this one acceptable? [3]
If you search, using 'find,' like i mentioned last time, for "Latino is very general"... and read that paragraph... it says that the term 'Latino' technically includes Italians and other Mediterranean Races still residing in Europe. What do yout think? Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I partially disagree about this one... although at the end of the article, the writer states his/her oppinion, the data throughout the rest of the page is therefore not his oppinion, and are the facts they are weighin up to form an opinion at the end. Yes? Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It mentions on the report that the blocker made about the blockee's comments. They apparently thought that we were ganging up on them... (and yes i know they were in the wrong, and made homophobic comments as well)... but do you think we were ganging up on them? Im unsure of all the policies... so what do you think? I feel kind of responsible... Iamandrewrice (talk) 17:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ok... I simply copied the information from another wikipedia article (malta), so it should be ok, right? just scroll to the religion bit of that page... ill try taking the reference from there as well then... if it had one O_o Iamandrewrice (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

huh? what kind of things do you mean getting rid of from my talk page? oh and i dont really understand how to properly archive still....
I've been busy on one article trying to improve it and make it fairer to all the countries involved. Obviously this has been easier to do for Malta, as I know more about it anyway... but I have tried my best to help promote information on the other smaller less well known countries on the page as well... what do you think? (it took ages! lol) Latin Europe Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

OH MY GOD!

i hate wikipedia!!!!!!!! i just spent like agggggggggggggggggggggggggggges copying over like tonnes of stuff about loads of the smaller countries in Latin Europe... and after I finished editing (which i did in one big chunk this time ironically)... I get this message that says wikipedia is not allowing edits coz its updating or something...so i clicked back... and none of the edits id made were there!
like... Oh my bee!!!!!!! :( Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ahhh... this is gonna take ages to do again lol... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

hey jeff... sorry i havnt bin replying all the time... ive bin trying to find references and edit the 'pedia n stuff... oh, could you help me with how you make a reference? like.. i dont properly understand how the process works, and ive seen it done in lots of different ways by different users... Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

What was the Jeff Donner bit for? hey let me try... x Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC) <------in this bit lol

OMG yay my first barnstar! :) thank you...
I am really glad you offered to adopt you, and dont know how I would have got this far if it werent for you...
hmmm, I dont understand why the reference i made above didnt work... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

its on your talk page... (where ive pointed it out above hehe) Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Francis Bacon

I have been dealing since July of 2007 with these continual attempts by "Limitorder" (using anonymous IP addresses and "Candid") to intrude subjective POV arguments into an article that is a simple biographical entry about a famous person. As editors, it does not matter what our personal beliefs are. However it does matter if we try to turn this article into an argument for - or against - someone's sexuality (hetero, homo, or bi), especially if that topic is not even relevant to that person's fame and accomplishments. This type of argumentation would be appropriate in an article elsewhere, but not in an encyclopedia. Arion (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

My only interest is to see that the material is so neutrally presented that readers cannot tell what personal beliefs any of us hold. Jeffpw (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Angel Heart Barnstar

		Angel Heart Barnstar
		For your dedication to dealing with some of the least fabulous aspects of the human condition including sorting out vandalistic (and likely homophobic) attackers often "behind the scenes" I award you the Angel Heart Barnstar. Your diligent work and compassionate service to those who appreciate the support for continuing their contributions to Wikipedia has hereby not gone unnoticed and in fact has very much eased distress and helped the Wikipedia community. Benjiboi 01:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Youtube link

Thanks, Jeff! I had the same thoughts, in addition to the fact I didn't think it really added any value to the article. PS: Thanks for helping out Jeeny. I know shes a good person, and a good editor, except for her "oopsies"..LOL, for lack of a better word.. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For your efforts to mentor new users and make them feel welcome far above and beyond what is required by you I award you this barnstar along with my most sincere admiration. Your understanding and application of assume good faith is truly outstanding and gives me hope that there is still room for old-fashioned wiki-values such as trust and good faith assumption even when people seem to be getting more and more mean to each other lately. EconomicsGuy (talk) 11:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

^_^

		The Special Barnstar
		For being the best adopter ♥ & giving me a fair chance when my actions ensured that no one else would Iamandrewrice (talk) 11:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

lol

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

youre lucky i didnt somehow manage to muck up the html code for it and end up sending you a userbox haha :p

ergh... i still cant get the whole hang of the referencing... can you explain it step by step? sorry...

oh, how do u think the latin europe article is coming along?
also, you know the map it uses... it was only a base map, and does not include all of exteneded latin europe. If I were to upload an image, which was a copy of that image but slightly edited to encompass all the other appropriate countries listed on the page... would this be allowed?
Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the edited image: . The original can be seen here: Latin europe. Is it allowed?
hmmmm... so what about if it was a website you were referencing?... would you still need an author or publisher or whatever?
Iamandrewrice 13:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

yeah im really trying but every time i read more about the referencing im just getting more and more confused. Sorry... :S
er... i think it was someone else who came along and added the rite tags after haha...
and no it wasnt too hard... i just drew on it in paint!
lol
oh... im having trouble with the image @ Latin europe Iamandrewrice 14:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok let me have another go... lol
<ref>Ben Lavender; [http://www.google.co.uk The Google]; Google?; Er.... dunno wot shud go here...; [[2007-11-30]]; Retrieved on [[2007-12-30]]</ref>
errr... im not sure if thats right... well the bits i managed to do hehe
Iamandrewrice 14:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

er... jeff something's happened on my talkpage... all the end messages seem to have just got tangled up somehow...

like that? So Ben Lavender is the author of the page... what should 'The Google' bit meant to represent? and if ive already put http://www.google.co.uk, why do i need to then put google.co.uk again? and why are there 2 dates?...
oh, also, what is this wikicode? x Iamandrewrice 14:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Meier case

Actually, the Drews are now public figures, so the bit about public figures applies to them. Even though they were notable for one event, I see other events (possible legal action, (maybe) possible criminal charges, drama, etc.) resulting from this, so I would not include them in the "notable for one event only" camp.

So, that does not give a free pass in terms of addresses, though. The policy says: "Exert great care in using material from primary sources. Do not use, for example, public records that include personal details--such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses--or trial transcripts and other court records or public documents, unless a reliable secondary source has already cited them. Where primary-source material has first been presented by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to turn to open records to augment the secondary source, subject to the no original research policy. See also Wikipedia:Verifiability."

Now, I remembered a news source mentioning the street name but not the house number. I'm wondering if this counts as a "reliable secondary source" WhisperToMe 14:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thank you for the heads up! :)

Anyway, I noticed, in the article, "A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of unwanted publicity. A person accused of a high profile crime may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established on this basis" in the publicity - does this refer to the US legal system or to the general use of "public figure," though? If this is a legal term in the US, how would it treat the Drews? I don't mind if the address edit (with the house number) is deleted - I just want to figure out which category the Drews would belong under (if the US treats "involuntary public figure"s as public figures, and which instances) WhisperToMe 15:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I started a talk page discussion here, if you want to see it: Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Voluntary_public_figures_vs._involuntary_public_figures WhisperToMe 20:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Joeseth1992

Hello, thanks for the contact regarding this user.

I do have quite hardline views on vandals and troublesom contributors; I urge for tough penalties to be placed upon accounts and IPs. However, I was encouraged by Joeseth1992's desire to be adopted and learn more about working on Wikipedia since being blocked. If he can bring to the table a reason why he wants to be adopted, and outline what it is he hopes to achieve, and these seem inline with our policies, I would be willing to take him on board. Until such a time, I have no intentions to support this gentleman.

I've offered to adopt him, but if he does not accept, and instead shows continued abuses of his editting privileges, I would urge for swift and strong community action against him. I hope that helps, -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm, interesting! Well, the worst he can do is make a little bit of mess for me, which I'd just report and thus likely get him indef-blocked. I hope it doesn't come to that. He's clearly an unusual soul, or perhaps very immature (I'm guessing at 15 years old???), but hopefully myself and others can either bring him inline with the project, or persuade him that Wikipedia may not be for him. I hope for the former! Thanks for the background though, it was enlightening. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

omg jeff... :)

i am becoming quite happy with the Latin europe article progress I'm making... and i know youre probably sick of me keeping going on about it... but its something i dont find to hard, and enjoy working on somewhat... and look!:

its what i made :D
what do you think? i was thinking eventually it could grow to include areas outside latin europe and america which also use latin languages. I have put it in the latin europe article

and what do you mean miricles do happen?! lol Iamandrewrice 16:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

jeff you misunderstood something... go check User:Jza84's talk page... ive commented there... Iamandrewrice 16:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

ok well... I hope you realise that from my wording, I did not mean to imply Joeseth1992 ask to adopt you... I was just simply meaning that from my experience with you, I found you a good adopter and he said to me he was looking for one and told him that he should talk to you...
secondly... about adding all the hyperlinks to that page... im sorry... i was bored, and reading through that strange story that Joeseth1992 had written, and wondered if it would be possible to go through the whole story making it a massive hyperlink... obviously i got bored of that halfway through... i am again sincerely sorry, and I did not think it could count as vandalism to be honest...
With regards to my other comments to Joeseth1992... they may seem a little absurd, but from real life, I know that he struggles to pay attention unless you give him the information in almost a little game... so in the time before he managed to find an adopter (which, I think he now has), I helped him put userboxes on his page, sign off his messages with four tildes... and other stuff... and I dont really see what he was blocked for, as I encouraged him in real life to try and impress the wikipedian as much as he could so they would adopt him... (even though that story was not exactly the kind of thing i expected... but still... he was only doing it to get the adopters attention and become adopted)... so his intentions were good... i think you should apply this policy: WP:bite... and WP:AGF... as he is new... and i know his intentions were not bad. He should be given another chance... with the help of an adopter, he really can help contribute to the site, as I know he is a good worker... wb Iamandrewrice 16:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

again im sorry for putting the hyperlinks there... but really, I dont think Joseth intended to make the user think wikipedia was not a nice place... as i mentioned, joseth was attempting to impress possible adoptees, and from what i heard, this one was his favourite, so i sed to make a special effort... i guess thats what Joseth genuinely thought would impress the user. Please stop getting angry... and you say he was blocked to stop him ruining the encyclopedia... i do have to counter this, as all i could see him attemting to do was to try editing... you should assume good faith... and he knew he wasnt very good, which was why he was trying to find an adopter to help him... but then you got him blocked... ...anyway did you check out the template i made? Iamandrewrice 16:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

why are you being sarcastic?! i spent ages on that thing!
and you must be very narrow-minded if you dont think that you can learn anything from your mentee... from the way I see it, you did not make observations of these policies when dealing with that user. I will not hold back from commenting you on this simply because I am less advanced.

Iamandrewrice 17:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

well youre note being very helpful! Iamandrewrice 17:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Iamandrewrice

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

Hi Jeff. I can tell you've put a great deal of time and effort into mentoring User:Iamandrewrice. However, in my opinion, he's either unwilling or unable to alter his behavior enough to become a net benefit to Wikipedia. I think some of his recent actions are verging on vandalism and he doesn't seem to be responding to your requests to cease this behavior. I just wanted to let you know that if his behavior doesn't experience a miraculous improvement immediately, I may consider seeking some type of censure, possibly an indefinite ban. You're obviously free to devote as much of your time to him as you wish, but when his behavior starts soaking up the time of other editors, that's simply unacceptable. Aagain, I think you've done a remarkable job and shown incredible patience, but there comes a point when you got to cut your losses. Thanks for your time. Chaz ^Beckett 17:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, Beckett, and I have been wondering the same thing. I'm hoping that this is just some backsliding, and that he will stop acting out. I, too, will seek some form of censure if it continues. And thank you for your kind words about my adoption. This is the first time I have tried it, and I am still learning. Even if this doesn't work out, the experience will serve me well for the next time. Jeffpw 17:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WHAT?! :o how can you say i have been of no benefit to wikipedia?! i have tried so hard to contribute so much! I can't believe you! you lot are all the same. I have done no act of vandalism i think you will find! and find both your comments very offensive. I genuinely thought you were a nice person Jeff... but watever... you just go argue it out with your 'wikicrew'... I put a lot of effort into one article in particular today! only for it to be given a sarcastic remark from you. I heavily regret joining wikipedia... I was given such a hard time at the beginning, and now, as I try to help another user in their beginning, you do the same thing. And dont bother 'devoting' your time to me if thats the way you feel... its obvious your heart wasnt in it. Iamandrewrice 18:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand what you mean by 'acting out'. Regardless of this, I feel that you have been very tactless and hurtful towards me. I put a lot of effort into wikipedia. And then you and 'Chaz' come along telling me that i am of no benefit to wikipedia... then with you making sarcastic remarks about an article which i dedicated practically a whole day to, and was intending to continue with... and also trying to help set a new user set up... only to be accused of 'verging on vandalism'... i just dont see what the point of continuing this is if you are going to act in this way. Iamandrewrice 18:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

choosing not to reply only shows your lack of care even further... not only do you firstly hurt me very much... but you completely ignore what you have done... Iamandrewrice 18:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Another Beaver attack

Jeff - I'm worried. Really, are you okay? Are you safe? You live near a good deal of water, and those beavers are getting very very restless!!! I don't want anything to happen to you. --David Shankbone 18:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

David, when I saw who the message was from, I thought it was perhaps a nice message from Ward and June, wanting to discuss their son. Never did I think it was a terror attack! Oh my god! What did I ever do to deserve this?!? I wish I had gone for the otter parka instead of that beaver jacket now! Save me, David, please, God, save me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't support that jacket, but I also don't support acts of beaver terrorism. It's really become a problem. Somebody should alert the Bush administration. --David [User:David Shankbone|Shankbone]] 18:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You're a big strong man, David--you do something! Take out a beaver village right now. Give me a beaver Mi Lai. Somebody's gotta pay!

A "beaver Mi Lai" - Bah ha ha ha. --David Shankbone 18:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you did that little favor for me, David,I'd have that lovely beaver bed spread I've always wanted, and just in time for Christmas. Think about it. In the mean time, I am installing steel jawed beaver traps on this talk page to catch those terrorist beavers the next time they try to Pearl Harbor me! Jeffpw 18:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

See, Icairns *is* the butch one. He totally atom-bombed them beavers! You should send him some wiki-love for sating your blood thirst! --David Shankbone 19:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

dear jeff

I am deciding that I am going to ignore you last rude remarks, even though my oppinion of you is now lowered, and I do not respect you in the same way. I am sorry it is like this, but your sarcastic remarks about my work, calling it 'pretty' and then agreeing with another user that I am not of 'net benefit' to wikipedia, even though I have surely contributed enough, creating 2 new pages, and adding significant contributions to the Latin europe page. The fact that you did not observe that your remarks were mean, simply shows that you have no resentment.
However, as I need your service, I will continue this with you without putting so much trust in you... i'm sure you will well undestand why...
Now, with matters regarding the reference link on Monkton in kent... you need to fix it.
Also, I see that Joseth1992 has made repeated appeals, giving what I can see as very good reasons. It is hardly abuse that he appealed 3 times. He is simply trying to get his point accross, although like you did with me, you are not listening.

I sincerely hope that you can change your attitudes, as what you said, to be frank, hurt me very much, and I feel very disheartened to my further edits on wikipedia. Iamandrewrice 19:41, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

So it is true that you are not going to apologize for your hurtful remarks about my work?, despite all the effort I put into it! Iamandrewrice 19:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You are now only making this worse. Ok, Ill give you a chance to explain this to me. Please explain to me how it is that none of my edits to wikipedia have been benefitial. I am sure that if this is true, there would surely be a need to delete all of them? So please fill me in on exactly how I have not been a 'net profit' in any way to the site. You know... if you had not said that comment, I would hav just continued editing and learning as normal, but that remark, in addition to being sarcastic about the work i spent a lot of time doing, especially as my adoptor, was hurtful and derigatory. wb Iamandrewrice 20:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

However, you agreed with the other editor that none of my edits were any good. Also, you have not acknowledged the point that you expressed severe sarcasm to my work, even though I spent ages doing it, hoping that as my adopter, you would be proud. Instead, you mocked me. Would you like to explain how that is 'linked in anyway to someone else'? and unlike you, at least i have appologised for the mistakes i have made, something which you are refusing to... is that the kind of example you really intend to set?... mocking other peoples work and not even saying sorry? Iamandrewrice 20:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)