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What to say?

Well, I live in the good ol' U.S. of A.

'Nuff said;

time to go to bed. 

07:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
This charcoal feather works toward his Day of Flight





sections of article<br. /> (I)intro.<br. /> (VII)concl.<br. /> (II)chronology/timeline<br. /> (III)analysis<br. /> (VI)g.g.'s criticisms of MSM<br. /> (IV)notable quotes from controversyDONE!<br. /> (V)humorous reactions to the controversyDONE!

Memorable/Notable Quotes From the Controversy

  • "Joke Line"

How a number of liberals in the blogosphere are referring to Joe Klein.


  • "Pete Hoaxtra"

How a number of liberals in the blogosphere are referring to Pete Hoekstra[1].


  • "[T]his is...a political [debate]. ... I'll welcome that debate anytime." [2]

Pete Hoekstra on the idea that the debate will be about protecting civil liberties vs. protecting the U.S.'s national security.


  • "Hoekstra apparently missed it (or has understandably blocked it out), but America actually already had that debate. It was called the 2006 election."[3]

Glenn Greenwald responding to Hoekstra.


  • "It's hard to imagine General Eisenhower going to ask for permission to conduct the D-Day invasion on the off-chance [that] Americans might be on the beaches of Normandy."[4]

Pete Hoekstra trying to draw a link between World War II and George W. Bush's "war on terror".


  • "One of the most amazing episodes in modern American journalism has emerged from a flagrantly inaccurate and misguided Time magazine column by Joe Klein. He's a political writer whose work in this case may become Exhibit A for what's wrong with the craft today."[5]

The Center for Citizen's Media's Dan Gillmor on the column.


  • "FISA: More Than You Want To Know" [6]

Joe Klein's chosen heading of his third blog entry discussing his column.


  • "I've spent the past few days nosing around in the dispute about what the House FISA Reform bill (The Restore America Act) [sic] actually says. I've reached no conclusions." [7]

Joe Klein's first two sentences in his third blog entry discussing his column.


  • "Klein...admitted [to] not having actually read the legislation in question."[8]

Dan Gillmor on Klein's third blog entry.


  • "Joe Klein doesn't bother to actually read the bill [that] he's writing about;"[9]

FireDogLake's Jane Hamsher on Klein's third blog entry.


  • "I have neither the time nor legal background to figure out who's right (ADD: about this minor detail of a bill that will never find its way out of Congress)."[10]

From Klein's third blog entry. It is arguably his most memorable/notable sentence in this entire controversy.


  • "Grow up. Get a clue. Get a grip. Get some help."[11]

Commenter "sy" commenting on Klein's third blog entry concerning the column.


  • "By your own admission you have reached no conclusion about what the bill even says, and you don't have the 'time' to figure out what it means. All you have told us about FISA is that you are utterly clueless about FISA, which I'm afraid everybody already knew."[12]

"Zota" in the comment section of Klein's third blog entry on his column.


  • "I may have made a mistake in my column...although it's difficult to tell for sure given the technical nature of the bill's language.... ... [W]e are talking about relatively obscure and unimportant details...."[13]

Joe Klein on his column in his second blog entry.


  • "In other words, Klein sat down to write a column about obscure and unimportant technical details."[14]

Radar Online's John Cook responding to Klein's second blog entry.


  • "I need further clarification, just to be sure [that] I get it right[...]this time."[15]

Joe Klein's last line in his second blog entry on his column.


  • "Yesterday -- Saturday night on Thanksgiving weekend -- Klein returned to the TIME Blog to write an extremely conditional, weasely, self-justifying and partial 'correction'...."[16]

Glenn Greenwald on Klein's second blog entry.


  • "The phrase 'pit bull' is a bit shopworn, and often inappropriately used, but Greenwald is exactly that."[17]

Harper's Scott Horton


  • "...Glenn Greenwald...God love him, has approached his subject with the tenacity and righteousness of an obsessive-compulsive IRS auditor...."[18]

Radar Online's John Cook commenting on Glenn Greenwald's coverage of the controversy.


  • "In the lethal shorthand of political advertising, it would give terrorists the same legal protections as Americans. That is well beyond stupid."[19]

Arguably Joe Klein's two most notable sentences in his column.


  • "...Klein is well beyond stupid. He's dangerous."[20]

Wired Magazine's Ryan Singel commenting on Klein vis a vis the TIME column.


  • "Who gave this man a column?"[21]

Wired Magazine's Ryan Singel on Klein's third blog entry on the TIME column.


  • "[Klein's next] post artfully shifted the issue from whether the bill says what he said it says to whether his Republican sources or Democratic sources were correct in their interpretations (who knows? This law stuff is complicated) before actually committing to pixels the following words, which will live on as one of the finest specimens of sheer journalistic hubris ever issued from one of the genre's most accomplished practitioners: 'I have neither the time nor legal background to figure out who's right....' I don't have time [to] find out if what I write is true, people! I'm too busy claiming that other things are true. And even if I did have time, I'm not qualified to say whether the things I write are true anyway!"[italics in original][22]

Radar Online's John Cook commenting on Klein's third blog entry on the TIME column.


  • "Klein's reactions...to his...critics are precious goldmines of self-aggrandizing pretense that must be savored at length to appreciate their rich subtleties and overtones."[23]

Radar Online's John Cook commenting on all three of Klein's blog entries on his -- Klein's -- TIME column.


  • "Swampland's commenters have joined the battle with glee; the first comment to one of Klein's first posts on Swampland read simply: 'Just because I hate to see the lefties get all of the credit, let the record show that at least one moderate Republican finds you dispicable.'"[24]

Radar Online's John Cook relating a quote from the comments section of one of Klein's earliest blog entries.


  • "...Time itself has compounded the problem, demonstrating contempt for its audience."[25]

Blogger Dan Gillmor[26] criticizing TIME for its complicity in the controversy.


  • "The episode is...a testament to the power of the Net to surface traditional-media wrongdoing -- and to hold to account the people who have...enormous influence over what people believe about key issues. ... [T]he fact that Time (and Klein) felt obliged to respond at all, however grudgingly and incorrectly, is a direct result of the growing ability of new media to be heard. There's little to celebrate in this debacle, but we can at least take some satisfaction from that."[italics in original][27]

Dan Gillmor drawing a connection between the blogosphere and TIME's subsequent "corrections".


  • "But when Joe's bad, he's awful. And this was the worst thing [that] I've seen emerge from the Klein pen in quite some time."[28]

Harper's columnist Scott Horton blogging on Klein's consistency in analyzing issues.


  • "[T]he original column is no longer a dangerous misunderstanding of a complex issue by a two-bit columnist.
"Instead, it's now an institutional lie."[29]

Wired's Ryan Singel on the perniciousness of Klein's falsehoods.


  • "So, Time's Editors got brave today. They decided to write an actual declarative sentence about what the bill actually includes. That's progress, I suppose."[emphasis in original][30]

Greenwald on TIME's second correction.


  • "Time Tries Again
"The editors went today and corrected yesterday's correction. They should keep trying."[31]

Greenwald's initial header for his blog entry on Time's second correction.


  • "So, right off the bat, the correction doesn't even know [exactly] what bill [Joe] Klein was trying to write about."[32]

Wired 's Ryan Singel explaining one of the "errors" and misreprestations of Time's first correction.


  • "[Time] [M]agazine has proved itself too incompetent to write about anything more complicated than John Edwards' haircut."[33]

Wired's Ryan Singel's conclusion after reading Time's first correction.


  • "Perhaps Time's correction writer is out with an extended tryptophan Thanksgiving coma, but when she gets back, she's got some serious work to do."[34]

Wired's Ryan Singel on the column


  • "If conservatives seized on a mirror image of the journalistic cluster****ery of Joe Klein [then] it wouldn't stop at Glennzilla beating up on him and the rest of us laughing at him. Drudge would put up a big siren. Limbaugh would spend a week turning Joe Klein into enemy #1 for his dittoheads. Howie Kurtz would devote several columns to the 'controversy' and devote his show to the topic, likely with commentary from Laura Ingraham. Instapundit would suggest that Joe Klein was working for 'the other side.' Bill O'Reilly would send a Fox News camera crew to his house. The New York Post would run his mug on the front page with a nice big cruel headline. The conservative blogosphere would unearth a picture of Joe Klein with his children (no idea if he has any, but if he does) and declare that they are now 'fair game,' digging up and publicizing as many personal details about them as they could find. All of this would continue until Joe was fired and Rick Stengel and Jay Carney apologized to Hugh Hewitt."[35]

Atrios on the likely outcome if Klein had produced similar "errors" against the Republicans.

humorous responses to the controversy

Atrios's 1st comment<br. /> Atrios's 2nd comment<br. /> Atrios's 3rd comment

Jon Swift offers these 20 priceless rules of journalism.

see also

  • The actual bill (the Restore Act) passed by the U.S. House<br. />
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/h3773_eh.xml

Footnotes and Citations

  1. ^ This is the same gentleman who openly speculated -- without any evidence -- that al Qaeda had penetrated the U.S. national security apparatus and was responsible for information being leaked to the press.[1]
  2. ^ Hoekstra -- N.R.O.[2] 29 November 2007
  3. ^ Greenwald[3] -- 2007 November 29
  4. ^ Hoekstra -- N.R.O. 29 November 2007
  5. ^ Gillmor[4] -- 2007 November 26
  6. ^ Klein (blog) [5] -- 2007 26 November
  7. ^ Klein (blog)[6] -- 21 November 2007
  8. ^ Gillmor[7] -- 2007 November 30
  9. ^ Hamsher[8] -- 2007 November 21
  10. ^ Klein (blog)[9] -- November 26 2007
  11. ^ "sy"[10] -- 2007 November 26
  12. ^ "Zota"[11] -- 2007 November 26
  13. ^ Klein (blog)[12] -- 2007 November 24
  14. ^ Cook[13] -- 2007 December 4
  15. ^ Klein (blog)[14] -- 2007 November 24
  16. ^ Greenwald[15] -- 2007 November 25
  17. ^ Horton[16] -- 2007 November 28
  18. ^ Cook[17] -- 2007 December 4
  19. ^ Klein (column)[18] -- 2007 November 21
  20. ^ Singel[19] -- 2007 November 21
  21. ^ Singel[20] -- 2007 November 26
  22. ^ Cook[21] -- 2007 December 4
  23. ^ Cook[22] -- 2007 December 4
  24. ^ Cook[23] -- 2007 December 4
  25. ^ Gillmor[24] -- 2007 November 30
  26. ^ Gillmor is with the Center for Citizen Media. http://citmedia.org
  27. ^ Gillmor[25] -- 2007 November 30
  28. ^ Horton[26] -- 2007 November 28
  29. ^ Singel[27] -- 2007 November 29
  30. ^ Greenwald[28] -- 2007 November 28
  31. ^ Greenwald[29] -- 2007 November 28
  32. ^ Singel[30] -- 2007 November 27
  33. ^ Singel[31] -- 2007 November 27
  34. ^ Singel[32] -- 2007 November 26
  35. ^ Atrios[33] -- 2007 November 25

References

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