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UK WikiMeet 2005

OK I want to get the ball rolling thinking about having a UK wikimeet sometime in 2005, before the international one, wherever it's going to be. What are people's feelings on this, and what ideas do people have as to venue, timing, agenda etc? -- Graham ☺ | Talk 04:08, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Well, if in London, or indeed elsewhere, it would be more satisfactory to think about a meal in the early evening, rather than 9.30 pm, for those who need to get a train home. Charles Matthews 15:49, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I think it ought to be significantly earlier than Wikimania so people don't feel they are choosing between the two. Perhaps February? My preferred venues would be Essex or north or east London. Further afield would be fine if it's earlier in the day. Angela. 07:06, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking. I'll start a sub page about it. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 22:14, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I've started the discussion off at this page if you want to go and have a look. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 19:04, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
On this topic, I'd just like to remind all UK Wikipedians that the Wikimania organising committee will sit on Sunday 31st October to decide a venue, so do express support for Dublin in the interim. You know you want to... --Kwekubo 02:08, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

An easy one for all UK Wikipedians

I noticed Children in Need was much-linked-to but not written, so I had a bit of mad rush stab at writing something about it. But everyone has seen Children in Need... so it should be dead easy to write, right? Pcb21| Pete 15:24, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps suggest for COTW? --Joe D 15:35, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'll support it if it goes there. I'll even nominate it if you haven't done already. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 15:46, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To create

Why the River Dwyryd in particular? There is scope for an entire Rivers of the United Kingdom project, or even four projects, to fill in all those on the to-do list. --Keith Edkins 08:50, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I just selected one of the many at rendom. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 16:05, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

There are a great many articles related to the Waterways in the United Kingdom. User:Renata wrote most of them, but she stopped contributing some time ago. Mintguy (T) 21:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Erosion of International English Usage

It would, I think, be advantageous to list pages on which attempts are being made to erode the usage of correct English, so that others can get involved and put an end to such behaviour. Here is my first example: aluminum. It is proposed on Talk:Aluminium to use "aluminum" on the grounds of the "Google Test." -- Emsworth 13:35, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ho hum. Once we graduate to joined-up handwriting, there'll be so many squiggles in aluminium that you wouldn't even notice the odd "i" missing. ;-) But seriously, considering the number of people who contribute here without even having English as first language at all, the compromises we have to make between British and American English do seem pretty minor. I'm all for correcting text which departs from what is pretty much universally agreed to be correct English, but I think you're talking about "correct English" in a more debatable context here. ,,,Trainspotter,,, 23:15, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

New set of icons

For use on lists of places of intrest in England, e.g. county pages:

Code Translation

{{EngPlacesKey}} (Template:EngPlacesKey)

Key
Abbey/Priory/Cathedral
Accessible open space Accessible open space
Amusement/Theme Park
Castle
Country Park Country Park
English Heritage
Forestry Commission
Heritage railway Heritage railway
Historic house Historic House
Places of Worship Places of Worship
Museum (free)
Museum
Museum (free/not free)
National Trust National Trust
Theatre
Zoo

[[Image:NTE icon.png|National Trust]]

National Trust

[[Image:EH icon.png|English Heritage]]

English Heritage

[[Image:FC icon.png|Forestry Commission]]

Forestry Commission

[[Image:UKAL icon.png|Open access land]]

Open access land

[[Image:Museum icon.png|Museum]]
[[Image:Museum icon (red).png|Museum]]

Museum / Museum

[[Image:HR icon.png|Heritage Railway]]

Heritage Railway

Any comments or suggestions for improvements? --Joe D (t) 12:43, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I like these. It would be better if the images were titled, i.e. [[Image:NTE icon.png|National Trust]] => National Trust gives you something meaningful if you're not using images, and tells you what the image is when you hover over it. fabiform | talk 18:58, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Ok, I'll do that in any future edits. I'm considering adding icons for national trails, castles, churches etc, but then we might have to start a customised key for each use (to avoid having a long list of icons which aren't actually used in the text). By the way, you can already see examples of this in action on Dorset, Bristol and Cornwall. Joe D (t) 19:11, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
A useful one for my county (Isle of Wight) would be 'pleasure park' - i.e. not as good as an amusment park (such as Chessington or Alton Towers), but in a similar vein. --NeilTarrant 23:02, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Nice idea but why restrict it to England ? All of these icons would be useful for Scotland apart from English Heritage. -- Derek Ross | Talk 08:28, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

I'm not restricting it to England, only the template as it includes English Heritage and the National Trust for England logo, which I think is different to NT for Scotland(?). I think the template may become a bit useless if we start adding more icons, so we have to just make our own key each time we use them anyway. --Joe D (t) 12:20, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'd be very careful about the Open access land Access Land one - these are not always easy to identify and can be highly controversial. There are legal ramifications to this, and unless we specify boundaries calling something 'open access' might be problematic. Might be better to keep this particular one on the sidelines until we see how it settles down. Naturenet 08:53, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

How about adding a footnote to the key, linking to another page perhaps, with a simple disclaimer along the lines of "Land marked Open access land is assumed to be accesible either legally or permited by the landowner, but this is not evidence that there is a legal right to access this land. Please consult local bylaws or the landowner for further information." ? Joe D (t) 12:20, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

A Vision of Britain

You have to laugh don't you. This morning on BBC Breakfast a chap from this new website that was launched at noon today was asked if they were worried about the site having the same problems that the 1901 census site had. "No they'd learnt from that experience" he said. So take a look at http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk. Mintguy (T)

Ah... Well it looks good anyway. So what's the website about then? -- Graham ☺ | Talk 22:11, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You are supposed to be able to look at maps and get lots of other information for almost everywhere in Britain for the last 200 years apparently. Mintguy (T)
Sounds useful, depending on the copyright status, which of course I can't check because they've turned off everything... -- DrBob 22:27, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps I shoudn't say this on a public forum (but I will anyway!) but I just discovered that you can get past the front page by going to http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/index.jsp Mintguy (T) 22:30, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for this link Mintguy... great site. I posted it to a historical authors' email group I belong to and I got a lot of responses. You've made lots of authors very happy. :) fabiform | talk 01:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)