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| Name = Fireman
{| width = "100%"
| Cover = Lil Wayne Fireman.jpg
|-
| Artist = [[Lil Wayne]]
! width="50%" align="left" | <font color="grey">&lt;</font> [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 7|July 7]]
| from Album = [[Tha Carter II]]
! width="50%" align="right" | [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 July 9|July 9]] <font color="grey">&gt;</font>
| A-side =
|}
| B-side =
</div></noinclude>
| Released = [[October 25]], [[2005]]
| Format =
| Recorded = CMR Studios, [[New Orleans, Louisiana]]: [[2005]]
| Genre = [[Southern Hip Hop]]<br>[[Rap]]<br>[[Hip-Hop]]<br>[[Crunk]]
| Length = 4:31
| Label = [[Universal Music Group|Universal]], [[Cash Money Records]]
| Writer = D. Carter, B. Zayas, M. Delgiorno
| Producer = Doe Boyz
| Certification = Platinum <small>([[RIAA]])</small>
| Last single = "Neck of the Woods"<br>(2004)
| This single = "'''Fireman'''"<br>(2005)
| Next single = "[[Tell Me (Bobby Valentino song)|Tell Me (Remix)]]"<br>(2005)
}}


"'''Fireman'''" is the first [[single (music)|single]] from [[Lil Wayne]]'s 5th [[studio album]] ''[[Tha Carter II]]''. It was produced by Doe Boyz. The song was originally recorded with slightly different lyrics. This included a completely modified second and third verse. Many believe this was an attempt by the record label to make a more "radio-friendly" version of the song.
=== July 8 ===
==== Category:CONvergence guests ====
:[[:Category:CONvergence guests]] - {{lc1|CONvergence guests}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Overcategorisation, attendance at a convention is non-defining. [[User:Tim!|Tim!]] ([[User talk:Tim!|talk]]) 20:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - trivial and non-defining. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 21:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


==Chart performance==
==== Category:Burkinabé playwrights ====
"Fireman" managed to peak at #32 on the [[Billboard Hot 100]], becoming his most successful single at the time in his career behind "[[Go DJ]]" which peaked at #14 on the [[Billboard Hot 100]]. The song also fared well on R&B and rap charts, which peaked at #15 and #10, respectively. The single also became his first chart entry on the [[Pop 100|Billboard Pop 100 Chart]], peaking at #43, while becoming his first chart entry on the [[Hot Digital Songs]] chart as well, peaking at #38. The single went on to reach Platinum status. This single also sparked heat from fellow hardcore rapper [[Drag-On]] as Wayne clearly stole his gimmick as the "Fireman", later causing Drag to make a diss track called The "Original Fireman". There has been no retaliation from Wayne to date.
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Burkinabé playwrights]] to [[:Category:Burkinabé dramatists and playwrights]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. Use standard naming for subcategories of [[:Category:Dramatists and playwrights by nationality]]. <code>Notified creator with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:cfd-notify|subst:cfd-notify]]}}</code> [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 19:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 20:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


==Chart positions==
==== Category:Games protected with StarForce ====
{| class="wikitable"
:[[:Category:Games protected with StarForce]] - {{lc1|Games protected with StarForce}}<br />
!align="left"|Chart (2006)
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Difficult to maintain. If it is needed it can be told in the article. No need for categories. [[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 11:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
!align="left"|Peak<br />Position<small><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/retrieve_chart_history.do?model.vnuArtistId=352101&model.vnuAlbumId=758105|title=Lil Wayne - Artist Chart History |accessdate=December 2|accessyear=2006}}</ref></small>

|-
==== Category:NCAA Men's Frozen Four venues ====
|align="left"|U.S. [[Billboard Hot 100|''Billboard'' Hot 100]]
:'''Suggest merging''' [[:Category:NCAA Men's Frozen Four venues]] to [[:Category:College ice hockey venues]]
|align="center"|32
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Merge'''. Per a number of previous CFDs, categorizing sports venues by events that have been contested in them is overcategorization. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 08:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
|-

|align="left"|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs]]
==== Category:Jewish businesspeople ====
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:[[:Category:Jewish businesspeople]] - {{lc1|Jewish businesspeople}}<br />
|-
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' These categories are a non-notable intersection of religion and occupation, and are used to to end runs around the [[WP:V|sourcing]] [[WP:BLP|requirements]] for lists. The [[List of Jewish American business figures]] has, after 2½ years and insistence on a strict adherence to sourcing policies, only managed to accumulate 7 entries, yet this category has hundreds of unsourced entries, and is being used to to an end-run around policy and around [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 10#Category:Jewish-American businesspeople]]. See also:
|align="left"|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Pop 100]]
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 April 15#Category:Jewish American economists]]
|align="center"|43
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 April 15#Category:Jewish American philosophers]]
|-
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 January 11#Category:Jewish-American singers]]
|align="left"|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot Rap Tracks]]
:*<s>[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 4#Category:Jewish mathematicians]] </s>[[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_14#Category:Jewish_mathematicians]]
|align="center"|10
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 16#Category:Jewish American spies]]
|-
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 10#Category:Jewish Economists]].
|align="left"|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot Digital Songs]]
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 10#Category:Jewish inventors]]
|align="center"|38
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 14#Category:Jewish figure skaters]].
|-
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 25#Category:Jewish American figure skaters]]
|align="left"|U.S. ''Billboard'' [[Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks]]
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 9#Category:Italian-American journalists|Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 9#Category:Jewish American journalists]]
|align="center"|15
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 13#Category:Jewish American comedians]]
|-
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 September 3#Category:Jewish lawyers]]
|}
:*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 September 30#Category:Jewish football players]]
:[[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 04:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

* '''Oppose Deletion: Very Strong Keep''' – Let me state this clearly: many of the above-mentioned categories were unjustly deleted by highly POV editors who wish to remove, delete, and/or censor all kinds of information about Jews/Judaism/Israel from Wikipedia, so '''''their deletion should not be taken as a valid precedent'''''. Many of those categories were deleted while no one was looking and with only 3 or 4 'votes' along with very little input from a wide variety of non-POV motivated editors, thus negating the entire premise of the CfD process. Also, it is clear that this particular category is NOT "non-notable" since the very prominent role of Jews in business and economics in many countries worldwide has long been discussed and written about by scholars, writers, economists, researchers, journalists, politicians, and other people for centuries (see the list which I will provide at the end of this comment). This category currently contains over 550 names…how is it then “non-notable”? The former [[:Category:Jewish-American businesspeople]] also contained hundreds of names, and its deletion was clearly a travesty since other categories still exist in [[:Category:American businesspeople by ethnic or national origin]]. Additionally, this category is not solely an "intersection of religion and occupation" since you and others well know that '[[Who is a Jew?|being Jewish]]' is as much an ''ethnic'' designation as much as a ''religious'' one. Therefore, this is also a categorical intersection by ethnicity and occupation, of which Wikipedia has many similar categories -- so why do you single out this one, Jayjg? Deleting this category would also continue to reduce the scope and effectiveness of its parent category: [[:Category:Jews by occupation]]. Additionally, since Jews are dispersed worldwide and as such aren't confined to a single country like most other national, ethnic, and/or religious groups are, Wikipedia needs categories which are somewhat like broad nationality categories for Jews (in many areas: not solely business) because nearly all of the other people, nationalities, and ethnic and/or religious groups of the world have their own similar categories (for example, see: [[:Category:Businesspeople by nationality]]). As far as these names being mostly unsourced (which isn't entirely true, actually): have you taken a good look around at 99% of Wikipedia's categories, lists, and articles lately? If you have, then you will see that about 99% of the material written, categorized, and/or listed on this website is entirely unsourced and yet you have no problems with the existence of all this other material. However, aside from very few/minor errors, there is no doubt that all of the names found in [[:Category:Jewish businesspeople]] are both Jewish (ethnically and/or religiously) and also businesspeople, yet still you and others try repeatedly to delete this category. You and others seem to pay no actual attention to the veracity of the data contained within these categories/lists/articles, and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_12#Category:Jewish_businesspeople as I explained last time this category was nominated for deletion] the attempt to delete categories, lists, and articles such as these are part of an ongoing and systematic campaign to remove/censor/delete much information about Jews/Judaism/Israel from Wikipedia. That being said, I will now include a PARTIAL list of books which clearly prove that this is and will continue to be an encyclopedic, scholarly, notable, and well-researched topic and thus constitutes a valid category here on Wikipedia.

* R. A. Ohrenstein. ''Economic Analysis in Talmudic Literature: Rabbinic Thought in the Light of Modern Economics''. Brill Academic Pub., 1997. ISBN 9004095403.

* D. Cesarani. ''Jews and Port Cities: 1590-1990 -- Commerce, Community and Cosmopolitanism''. M.V. & Co., 2005. ISBN 0853036829.

* Y. Don. ''A Social and Economic History of Central European Jewry''. Transaction Pub., 1990. ISBN 0887382118.

* R. W. Zweig. ''The Gold Train: The Destruction of the Jews and the Looting of Hungary''. Harper, 2003. ISBN 006093512X.

* S. W. Baron. ''Economic History of the Jews''. Random House. ISBN 0805205381.

* M. Arkin. ''Aspects of Jewish Economic History''. Jewish Pub. Society of America, 1975. ISBN 0827600674.

* J. I. Israel. ''European Jewry in the Age of Mercantilism: 1550-1750''. Littman Library of Jewish Civilization, 1998. ISBN 1874774420.

* G. Levine. ''The Merchant of Modernism: The Economic Jew in Anglo-American Literature, 1864-1939''. Routledge, 2002. ISBN 0415941091.

* L. Kahaner. ''Values, Prosperity, and the Talmud: Business Lessons from the Ancient Rabbis''. Wiley, 2003. ISBN 0471444413.

* M. E. Stevens. ''Temples, Tithes, And Taxes: The Temple And the Economic Life of Ancient Israel''. Hendrickson Pub., 2006. ISBN 1565639340.

* W. Sombart. ''The Jews and Modern Capitalism''. Transaction Pub., 1982. ISBN 0878558373.

* D. Penslar. ''Shylock's Children: Economics and Jewish Identity in Modern Europe''. Univ. of California Press, 2001. ISBN 0520225902.

* L. Poliakov. ''Jewish Bankers and the Holy See''. Law Book Co. of Australasia, 1978. ISBN 0710082568.

* G. Yogev. ''Diamonds and Coral: Anglo-Dutch Jews and Eighteenth-Century Trade''. Holmes & Meier Pub., 1978. ISBN 0841903697.

* J. Neusner. ''The Economics of the Mishnah''. Univ. of Chicago Press, 1990. ISBN 0226576566.

* W. H. Nelson. ''The Economic War Against the Jews''. Random House, 1977. ISBN 0394407172.

* J. Shatzmiller. ''Shylock Reconsidered: Jews, Moneylending, and Medieval Society''. Univ. of California Press, 1989. ISBN 0520066359.

* A. Godley. ''Jewish Immigrant Entrepreneurship in New York and London, 1880-1914: Enterprise and Culture''. Palgrave MacMillan, 2001. ISBN 0333960459.
* W. E. Mosse. ''The German-Jewish Economic Elite 1820-1935: A Socio-Cultural Profile''. Oxford Univ. Press, 2003. ISBN 0198229909.

* H. Pollins. ''Economic History of the Jews in England''. Fairleigh Dickinson Univ. Press, 1983. ISBN 0838630332.

* H. Levine. ''Economic Origins of Antisemitism: Poland and Its Jews in the Early Modern Period''. Yale Univ. Press, 1993. ISBN 0300052480.
* M. Kaplan, ''Jewish Roots in the South African Economy''. C. Struik, 1986. ISBN 0869773208.
* M. Tamari. ''In the Marketplace: Jewish Business''. Feldheim Pub., 1992. ISBN 0944070280.
* L. A. Harris. ''Merchant Princes: An Intimate History of Jewish Families Who Built Great Department Stores''. Kodansha Amer. Inc., 1994. ISBN 1568360444.

* D. Landes. ''Dynasties: Fortunes and Misfortunes of the World's Great Family Businesses''. Viking, 2006. ISBN 0670033383.
* N. Ferguson. ''The House of Rothschild: Volume 1: Money's Prophets: 1798-1848''. Penguin, 1999. ISBN 0140240845.
* N. Ferguson. ''The House of Rothschild: Volume 2: The World's Banker: 1849-1999''. Penguin, 2000. ISBN 0140286624.

* N. Ferguson. ''The Cash Nexus: Money and Power in the Modern World, 1700-2000''. Basic, 2002. ISBN 0465023266.
* R. Chernow. ''The Warburgs: The Twentieth-Century Odyssey of a Remarkable Jewish Family''. Vintage, 1994. ISBN 0679743596.
* N. Gabler. ''An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood''. Anchor, 1989. ISBN 0385265573.
* C. O. Gráda. ''Jewish Ireland in the Age of Joyce: A Socioeconomic History''. Princeton Univ. Press, 2006. ISBN 0691127190.

* R. A. Rockaway. ''Words of the Uprooted: Jewish Immigrants in Early Twentieth-Century America''. Cornell Univ. Press, 1998. ISBN 0801485509.
* Y. Slezkine. ''The Jewish Century''. Princeton Univ. Press, 2006. ISBN 0691127603.
* H. James. ''The Deutsche Bank and the Nazi Economic War Against the Jews: The Expropriation of Jewish-Owned Property''. Cambridge Univ. Press, 2001. ISBN 0521803292.
* N. Baldwin. ''Henry Ford and the Jews: The Mass Production of Hate''. PublicAffairs, 2002. ISBN 1586481630.
* E. Ashkenazi. ''The Business of Jews in Louisiana: 1840-1875''. Univ. of Alabama Press, 2003. ISBN 0817312757.

* F. Bajohr. ''”Aryanisation” in Hamburg: The Economic Exclusion of Jews and the Confiscation of Their Property in Nazi Germany''. Berghahn Books, 2002. ISBN 157181485X.
* A. Chua. ''World on Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability''. Anchor, 2004. ISBN 0385721862.

* K. Marx. ''On the Jewish Question (A World Without Jews)''. Philosophical Library, 1959. ISBN 0806529539.
* A. Leon. ''The Jewish Question: A Marxist Interpretation''. Pathfinder Press, 1971. ISBN 0873481348.
* B. Arbel. ''Trading Nations: Jews and Venetians in the Early Modern Eastern Mediterranean''. Brill Academic Pub., 1995. ISBN 9004100571.
* A. Barkai. ''From Boycott to Annihilation: The Economic Struggle of German Jews, 1933-1943''. Brandeis Univ. Press, 1990. ISBN 1584652233.
* B. E. Supple. "A Business Elite: German-Jewish Financiers in Nineteenth-Century New York." In ''The Business History Review'', Vol. 31, No. 2 (Summer, 1957), pp. 143-178 [http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0007-6805(195722)31%3A2%3C143%3AABEGFI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-9]

--[[User:Wassermann|Wassermann]] ([[User talk:Wassermann|talk]]) 11:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
**Wassermann, your lengthy list of books has little to do with the category, and rest of your argument boils down to "other categories are unsourced too" and "CENSORSHIP!!!!". [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 21:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per Wassermann's reading list. "Non-notable" is clearly wide of the mark! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 13:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
**Many of the ''books'' are notable, but the relationship to the category is spurious. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 21:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Strong delete''' as per Jayjg. -- [[User:Olve Utne|Olve Utne]] ([[User talk:Olve Utne|talk]]) 14:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - per Wasserman. If there are unsourced entries, remove them. [[User:Roundhouse0|-- roundhouse0]] ([[User talk:Roundhouse0|talk]]) 15:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep, certainly''' - Wassermann has already made the essential points. With any category of this size there are always going to be a few unsourced inclusions, regardless of the subject matter. I was doubtful about [[Mark Ecko]] being included, for example, but easily found a reliable source and added the citation. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 18:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. Occupation by religion is valid, as it is but a sort of occupation by ethnicity, which I think is a useful group of category pages to maintain. (And connected with the issue being discussed here, I guess broad occupation by ethnicity (ie. or religion) crossed with citizenship is a valid subcategory, that is 'Jewish American sportspeople' and 'Jewish ice hockey players' (but not 'Jewish American ice hockey players') is not overcategorization) [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] ([[User talk:Mayumashu|talk]]) 03:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per {{User|Jayjg}}. Please note that the objections of {{User|Wassermann}} are being incorrectly applied because this is not a debate about deleting articles about those Jews who have been genuinely successful in business but this category is focusing on their etnicity and/or religion as a justification for inclusion in a category which Wikipedia clearly states is violation of '''[[Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Non-notable intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference|Overcategorization: Non-notable intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Opinion about a question or issue|Overcategorization: Opinion about a question or issue]]''' and '''[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information|Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]]'''. [[User:IZAK|IZAK]] ([[User talk:IZAK|talk]]) 06:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

====Category:Color scientists====
{{lc|Color scientists}}
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Color researchers]]. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a "Color scientist". Moreover, I'm not sure that all of these individuals should be characterized as ''scientists''. All in all, they might best be described as ''people who researched color'' -- i.e. "Color researchers". If anybody has a better idea, feel free to suggest. <code>Notified creator with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:cfd-notify|subst:cfd-notify]]}}</code> [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 02:36, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


==References==
* '''Accept''' (creator of category). I wanted a short and recognizable name (rather than "chromaticians"). --[[User:Adoniscik|Adoniscik]]<sup><small>([[User_talk:Adoniscik|t]], [[Special:Contributions/Adoniscik|c]])</small></sup> 03:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
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{{Lil Wayne}}
*'''Keep''' – I've called myself a color scientist many times, and a color researcher never, even though I was VP of Research when that's what I was doing; either web or [http://books.google.com/books?q=color-scientists&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wp book search] will show color scientist more than twice as common; it refers to a person involved in [[color science]], whether called a scientist or not. {{unsigned|Dicklyon|03:33, July 7, 2008}}
:*That would seem to suggest that we should have a {{cat|Color science}}, which might then serve as a parent cat for this category. Do we have enough articles to justify such a category? On the other hand, regardless of how that pans out, I'm still not sure that all of these individuals should be characterized as "scientists" -- which was one of the reasons I thought the broader, more inclusive term might be better. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 03:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, several of the subcategories and many articles under {{cat|Color}} would be appropriate in that. I'll see if I can figure out how to do that. On second thought, having given a look, I'm going to hold off for now. And as I tried to say, one can be considered a "color scientist" without necessarily identifying as a "scientist"; but who did you have in mind that might not be considered a scientist? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 05:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. There are certainly people who are described as color chemists, I agree that color scientist is better than color researcher. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] ([[User talk:Bduke|talk]]) 02:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:2005 singles]]
==== Categories:Chileans of Booian descent ====
[[Category:Lil Wayne songs]]
:'''Propose renaming'''
*[[:Category:Argentine-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Argentine descent]]
*[[:Category:Austrian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Austrian descent]]
*[[:Category:Basque Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Basque descent]]
*[[:Category:Bolivian-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Bolivian descent]]
*[[:Category:Brazilian-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Brazilian descent]]
*[[:Category:British-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of British descent]]
*[[:Category:English-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of English descent]]
*[[:Category:Scottish Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Scottish descent]]
*[[:Category:Welsh Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Welsh descent]]
*[[:Category:Croatian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Croatian descent]]
*[[:Category:French Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of French descent]]
*[[:Category:German Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of German descent]]
*[[:Category:Greek Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Greek descent]]
*[[:Category:Hungarian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Hungarian descent]]
*[[:Category:Iraqi Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Iraqi descent]]
*[[:Category:Irish Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Irish descent]]
*[[:Category:Italian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Italian descent]]
*[[:Category:Moldovan Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Moldovan descent]]
*[[:Category:Palestinian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Palestinian descent]]
*[[:Category:Polish-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Polish descent]]
*[[:Category:Russian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Russian descent]]
*[[:Category:South African-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of South African descent]]
*[[:Category:Spanish-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Spanish descent]]
*[[:Category:Swiss-Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Swiss descent]]
*[[:Category:Ukrainian Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Ukrainian descent]]
*[[:Category:Uruguayan Chileans]] to [[:Category:Chileans of Uruguayan descent]]


{{single-stub}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' for clarity and per recent precedent. the 'hyphenated term' is not at all self-evident if what is meant is that the person is, taking the top one as an example, an Argentine citizen of Chilean descent, Chilean citizen of Argentine descent, a dual citizen of Argentina and Chile, a citizen of any country of dual Argentine and Chilean descent, or any of the above. (Note that in the last few months [[:Category:Argentine people by ethnic or national origin]], [[:Category:Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin]], [[:Category:French people by ethnic or national origin]], as well as the like pages for Australians, Dutch, Chinese, Croatians, Germans, Czechs, and others have all been changed to this pattern [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] ([[User talk:Mayumashu|talk]]) 01:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename per nom'''. No controversies here. - [[User:Darwinek|Darwinek]] ([[User talk:Darwinek|talk]]) 11:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename.''' This is much clearer and more consistent (and is the hyphen significant in the ones that have it?) -- [[User:KathrynLybarger|KathrynLybarger]] ([[User talk:KathrynLybarger|talk]]) 13:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::Grammatically, it seems, entirely, to depend on the person and even on the grammar guide, as to whether having the hyphen is correct or not. The issue is conveniently side-stepped with the rename, wouldn t you say? [[User:Mayumashu|Mayumashu]] ([[User talk:Mayumashu|talk]]) 02:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename all''' per nom and many recent precedents. [[User:Roundhouse0|-- roundhouse0]] ([[User talk:Roundhouse0|talk]]) 14:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
* '''Rename all''' per nom., very sensible solution. -- [[User:Olve Utne|Olve Utne]] ([[User talk:Olve Utne|talk]]) 14:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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"Fireman"
Song

"Fireman" is the first single from Lil Wayne's 5th studio album Tha Carter II. It was produced by Doe Boyz. The song was originally recorded with slightly different lyrics. This included a completely modified second and third verse. Many believe this was an attempt by the record label to make a more "radio-friendly" version of the song.

Chart performance

"Fireman" managed to peak at #32 on the Billboard Hot 100, becoming his most successful single at the time in his career behind "Go DJ" which peaked at #14 on the Billboard Hot 100. The song also fared well on R&B and rap charts, which peaked at #15 and #10, respectively. The single also became his first chart entry on the Billboard Pop 100 Chart, peaking at #43, while becoming his first chart entry on the Hot Digital Songs chart as well, peaking at #38. The single went on to reach Platinum status. This single also sparked heat from fellow hardcore rapper Drag-On as Wayne clearly stole his gimmick as the "Fireman", later causing Drag to make a diss track called The "Original Fireman". There has been no retaliation from Wayne to date.

Chart positions

Chart (2006) Peak
Position[1]
U.S. Billboard Hot 100 32
U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs 15
U.S. Billboard Pop 100 43
U.S. Billboard Hot Rap Tracks 10
U.S. Billboard Hot Digital Songs 38
U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks 15

References

  1. ^ "Lil Wayne - Artist Chart History". Retrieved December 2. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Unknown parameter |accessyear= ignored (|access-date= suggested) (help)
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