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| name = Phil Spencer
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| age = 38
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| occupation = [[TV Presenter]]/[[Businessman]]/[[Journalist]]
| gender = [[Males]]
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| family = sir issac newton
| spouse = Fiona Spencer
| children = Jake, Ben
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| ethnic = White
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| credits = Co-Presenter of Channel 4's ''Location, Location, Location''


Co-presenter of Channel 4's ''Relocation, Relocation''
==First header==
Baccano in Italian means NOISE and not commotion!
A translation for commotion may be CASINO, but baccano is way off something not related to noise or cacophony.
:But noise makes no sense as the title of this book. Commotion is a synonym for noise, but does actually match the title. Basically, what we have here is the Japanese author getting the translation wrong, so to explain the title, we have to translate from his translation of Baccano. According to Narita, Baccano means Baka sawagi -- which may be stretching the truth. But translating a word that means noise as commotion based on the context in which it is used is well within the realm of fair translation. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 22:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Columnist for [[The Sunday Times]]
It's clear that the Japanese author has simply taken a cool sounding foreign word and somewhat got a wrong translation, that happened many times especially with English, French and German words.
The problem is that the line "Baccano is Italian for commotion" is wrong.
:Better? (I still don't see that noise and commotion are different enough to care, but might as well be accurate.)
:Also, type ~ four times after comments to sign them. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 23:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Better! [[User:84.223.67.82|84.223.67.82]] 00:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Chief executive of Garrington Home Finders
== Light Novels section ==
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Trying to beef this up with summaries. Looks terrible. I spent about an hour trying to figure out how to make a table like the episode lists, with the title and ISBN and maybe publication date on top, and a summary below, but the table tutorial just gave me a headache. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 22:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:I tried messing around with the table instructions and ended up with the table you see below. We can tweak it here before introducing it to the article. I think the biggest thing it needs is left-aligned titles, but I haven't figured that out yet. [[User:Leebo|<b><font color="#3D59AB">Leebo</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 23:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


'''Phil Spencer''' (born [[11 December]] [[1969]]) is a British [[television presenter]] who appears with [[Kirstie Allsopp]] in a variety of home-buying programs on [[Channel 4]] including ''[[Location, Location, Location]]'' and ''Relocation, Relocation''.<ref>[http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/presenters/phil_spencer.html Phil Spencer's biography on Channel4.com]</ref> Spencer also writes for several UK publications, including ''[[GQ]]'', ''[[The Sunday Times]]'' and ''[[Lusso Magazine]]''.<ref>[http://www.garrington.co.uk/about/press/ Garrington - Garrington Home Finders - Press & Editorial<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
:: I tried a few things that should have left justified it, but they just showed up as text. Otherwise, pretty much looks good to go. Thanks! [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 01:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


==Career==
:: Actually, probably a bigger problem is that it'll run right into the infobox. I'll have to start a character list or something on top of it... [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 02:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Spencer is the chief executive of Garrington Home Finders,<ref>[http://www.garrington.co.uk/about/uk/headoffice/phil_spencer/ About page], Garrington Home Finders</ref> a property search agency he established in 1996 to help buyers with property search, negotiation and purchase process. It was his promotion of Garrington and the concept of using a [[buying agent]] to find a home that led Spencer to become the co-host of ''Location, Location, Location'' and ''Relocation, Relocation''.{{Fact|date=July 2008}}
:: Never mind, they appear to have fixed that bug in Firefox. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 02:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Looks good. I've been looking forward to the anime series since seeing the trailer. I'll contribute more once I'm familiar with the plot. [[User:Leebo|<b><font color="#3D59AB">Leebo</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Leebo|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 02:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: I'm looking forward to finding out just how they're going to get four novels into twelve episodes. Looks like the entire first novel is going to get compressed into one episode, or else spread out through the rest of the series in flashbacks. Should be interesting to compare. I would have written longer novel summaries, but I'm terrible at writing summaries in the proper style. Have you seen the character chart on the official site? Astonishing. Arrows everywhere. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 02:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: I've added seven new novel listings (Grand Punk Revisited novel, The five 'A Man in the Killer' novels, and 'The Illusional First and Last Episode' novel). Could someone over in the land of the rising sun get their ISBNs and Release dates? I'm also unsure about the Grand Punk revisited Release date, but my... sources tell me feb 2005. [[User:Ifsey|Ifsey]] 00:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


==Criticism==
::::::With some difficulty I've removed them, since they don't exist. I own all the novels, and I believe what you're actually talking about here are uncollected short stories that appeared in magazines, but not in bunko format; they have no ISBNs, and should not be listed with the real novels. The 193X one, for example, is a novel serialized as a bonus for the anime DVDs. I hate to just take all the work out, but there were a number of unnecessary or confusingly written additions, and changing the translation of Shaba was not, in my professional opinion, accurate. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] ([[User talk:Doceirias|talk]]) 02:56, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
''Location, Location, Location'' has been fiercely criticised by many for ramping property prices, most recently by the BBC's ''Panorama'' ([[2 June]], [[2008]]) which identified the show as one of the property programmes that contributed to a property bubble.{{Fact|date=July 2008}} After an article in the ''[[Sunday Telegraph]]'' ([[13 April]], [[2008]]) where Spencer suggested that the falls in property prices at the beginning of 2008 should not be viewed as the cracking of a bubble and that property was still a good long term investment, Spencer was roundly criticised by readers, who called him a "confidence trickster".<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583291/It's-not-just-the-housing-market-that's-overheated.html "It's not just the housing market that's overheated"], Sunday Telegraph, April 18, 2008</ref>


== Shounen? ==
==Personal life==
Spencer grew up in [[Littlebourne]], [[Kent]] and now lives in the Tonsleys area of [[Wandsworth]]. Spencer and his wife, Fiona, have two sons, Jake and Ben.
Why Shounen? It's not really Shounen-like... [[User:62.47.191.120|62.47.191.120]] 23:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:Its published under the Dengeki Bunko label, a label for boys.
:What is supposed to be "shounen-like" >.> Naruto and Bleach >.> [[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]]


Spencer is a celebrity sponsor of the 2008 [[World Orphan Week|SOS Children's Villages UK's World Orphan Week]].<ref>[http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/charity-news/2007-10-17.htm 'wear something WOW' for World Orphan Week<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and [http://broadway.jamkit.com/Home Broadway], a [[London]] [[homelessness]] [[Charitable organization|charity]].
::Actually, Dengeki Bunko contents are clearly aimed at an older audience than that - sexual content is not as high as Young Jump or seinen titles, but there are no furigana and the violence/mature themes level tends to be higher. Depends on the series, of course. They're basically Young Adult novels, which falls a bit between shonen and seinen.
::Either way, we've agreed (on the project talk page) to change the demographic to "male" which seems to please everyone. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 00:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I do agree about Young Adult light novels. but should it be plural: males or keep it as male? [[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]]
::::Uh. I have no idea. I'm guessing male, since it is Young Adult novels and not Young Adults novels. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 00:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


==References==
:Shounen/seinen are demographics, there's nothing qualitative in the story that pigeon-hole a certain idea to a demograpic, though the fan communities have associations with them due to mainstream comics and often label traits common to shounen/seinen (for the former, friend-centric plots, the latter sexuality). Light novels are over-whelmingly targeted at a seinen audience, they only get re-oriented to a shounen audience when ported across the pond and heavily localised, as we see in the ''Naruto'' and ''Shakugan no Shana'' light novel series published under the VIZ Media imprint. The correct demographic for this is "seinen", and I think embarassment bias over association with "shounen" or "seinen" demographics shouldn't be considered when selecting an appropriate term for this article. We really need to brush off such un-necessary thoughts when following standard protocol. [[User:Malintex Terek|Terek]] ([[User talk:Malintex Terek|talk]]) 11:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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::I would be happy with Seinen. ChuChu, however, insisted on marking it as Shonen, based only on the manga and some misinformation about light novels. When it became clear there was no convincing him, we compromised on Male. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] ([[User talk:Doceirias|talk]]) 20:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Many light novel labels target males from their teens to men in their twenties, saying it's targeted at "seinen" (young man) is not wrong, it is aimed at males after all, but it's not totally correct too. many light novel labels target the audience of teenage boys to men in their twenties, among them are: GA Bunko, Sneaker Bunko and HJ Bunko. Though, I'm a seinen myself, so I really don't care if you put it as "seinen". --[[User:ChuChu|ChuChu]] ([[User talk:ChuChu|talk]]) 22:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


== ANN ==
==External links==
*[http://www.garrington.co.uk/index.php Garrington Home Finders]
Before anyone deletes it citing copyright, I should point out that ANN stole the Overview plot summary from Wikipedia, not the other way around. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 18:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


{{DEFAULTSORT:Spencer, Phil}}
ANN - OH! I hoped they cited themselves as having taken content from Wiki >_< [[User:24.19.25.118|24.19.25.118]] 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
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== Story ==
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Ummm... So what is stupid commotion??? I still don't understand what the premise of the story is :/
[[Category:Alumni of London South Bank University]]
Something about Alchemists killing one another, going into hiding, coming out of hiding and then waa?? [[User:24.19.25.118|24.19.25.118]] 08:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:(Based on the Anime) They go their seperate ways and eventually, by accident or planned, end up on a train called the Flying Pussyfoot. None of the immortals has died yet (Up until episode7 at least), but there is a mysterious killer on that train called the 'Rail tracer'(immortal or not?). The killer has already killed over 6 mortals including the two and only train drivers for the non-stop trip to NY. That's basicly it, for the anime at least. [[User:Ge4ce|Ge4ce]] 11:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Nice and Jacuzzi ==
When Jacuzzi kisses Nice, she says something that the fansubbers appear to have translated carelessly - implying that they have been a couple for a long time without kissing. Based on the novels, however, I don't think this is the case - I got the impression the had been friends, and this was the first indication she had that Jacuzzi felt otherwise.
The Japanese in question can be interpreted either way.
I would recommend not adding anything about their relationship to character list - even if I'm proven wrong by events in the last novels, that information is both a spoiler for later episodes of the anime and an extremely minor detail, covering about ten seconds of screen time. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:I can agree on that. I just want to quote the conversation from that Episode 10, to clear things up. (Even if it should become a spoiler for the people who havn't seen it.)
:Jacuzzi: ''"Nice, we'll definatly come back, so don't do anything crazy."''
:~Jacuzzi gives Nice a kiss~
:Brother of Nice: ''"You two sure are hot for each other, eh, Sis?"''
:~Nice is confused~
:Nice: ''"Just now...was the first time!"''
:Surprised Brother: ''"The first time?! You have to be joking!''
:''You and Jacuzzi have been dating for 10 years already, right?!''
:''Without even one kiss?!''
:''You can be too much of a coward, Jacuzzi!''
:''But you're to blame too, Sis!"''
:~Nice tries to avoid the conversation by climbing up the train and crawling over the roof~
:I think that the translation is wrong, but since I don't know any Japanese, I can't back it up. [[User:Ge4ce|Ge4ce]] 10:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Also, based on a quick skim of the relevant section, that scene does not appear to be in the novel. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] 19:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I haven't looked through the novel to see if that scene is there or not, but just as a language note: the Japanese verb used in that scene, ''tsukiau'', is often used as "to go out with", but can simply mean "to accompany" or "to hang out with". It is possible that the guy was simply commenting on them knowing each other for so long, and clearly liking each other. Also, he's not her brother. [[Special:Contributions/220.110.51.42|220.110.51.42]] ([[User talk:220.110.51.42|talk]]) 08:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== Stop bloating the characters section, Doceirias ==

Reveals way too much. If you like the story so much, learn moonspeak and translate the light novels.

: A. I am a professional translator, and do translate light novels for a living. I'd love to translate these, yes.
: B. I wrote one line versions of all those characters, and have been busy trimming excessive and inaccurate additions by IPs ever since. [[User:Doceirias|Doceirias]] ([[User talk:Doceirias|talk]]) 07:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously though, it spoils a lot. I have this article linked in a forum thread and people are complaining that you spoon-feed the entire story through what should be an objective list of characters. The only excessive additions are yours. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.74.198.219|70.74.198.219]] ([[User talk:70.74.198.219|talk]]) 06:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Actually I think its spoilers are fine. I was thinking of expanding the characters section to include as much info from the japanese wiki as I can decipher, but since the people here are so defensive I think I rather not. Well, to me Wikipedia is where I come to find spoilers. Its up to the reader what he or she reads. [[User:Iron2000|Iron2000]] 13:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

: Spoilers are fine in Wikipedia, just not on the main page. The main page is supposed to provide basic information. Severe spoilers about characters should be put on a separate page. Actually, considering the extensive amount of characters Baccano! has, creating a separate "List of Baccano! Characters", with spoilers and everything, is a pretty good idea. [[User:Scroogey McDucky|Scroogey McDucky]] ([[User talk:Scroogey McDucky|talk]]) 07:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:: That would help a lot, because the character list now is pretty much just a rough description using incomplete sentences. And its almost impossible to describe them any more than what there is now without delving into serious spoilers that apparently get people angry... as if nobody realizes that if you wiki a show you're going to get spoiled. :| -- [[Special:Contributions/71.136.237.118|71.136.237.118]] ([[User talk:71.136.237.118|talk]]) 12:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Episode Descriptions ==
From the paragraph on episode 13:

"They have a thing going on." & "and Isaac gives another cringe-inciting explanation."

Isn't it a bit too informal? -[[User:Kraker2k|Kraker2k]] ([[User talk:Kraker2k|talk]]) 18:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

"They leave and dream about their wealthy future, but are hit by a car, which is being driven by Ennis, who chauffeurs Szilard to the secret society of old geezers." - Episode 4

...I think these episode descriptions need to be closely examined. [[Special:Contributions/218.186.9.2|218.186.9.2]] ([[User talk:218.186.9.2|talk]]) 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Kurin

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Phil Spencer
Phil Spencer filming on location.
Born (1969-10-11) 11 October 1969 (age 54)
United Kingdom
OccupationTV Presenter/Businessman/Journalist
Notable credit(s)Co-Presenter of Channel 4's Location, Location, Location

Co-presenter of Channel 4's Relocation, Relocation

Columnist for The Sunday Times

Chief executive of Garrington Home Finders
SpouseFiona Spencer
ChildrenJake, Ben
Familysir issac newton

Phil Spencer (born 11 December 1969) is a British television presenter who appears with Kirstie Allsopp in a variety of home-buying programs on Channel 4 including Location, Location, Location and Relocation, Relocation.[1] Spencer also writes for several UK publications, including GQ, The Sunday Times and Lusso Magazine.[2]

Career

Spencer is the chief executive of Garrington Home Finders,[3] a property search agency he established in 1996 to help buyers with property search, negotiation and purchase process. It was his promotion of Garrington and the concept of using a buying agent to find a home that led Spencer to become the co-host of Location, Location, Location and Relocation, Relocation.[citation needed]

Criticism

Location, Location, Location has been fiercely criticised by many for ramping property prices, most recently by the BBC's Panorama (2 June, 2008) which identified the show as one of the property programmes that contributed to a property bubble.[citation needed] After an article in the Sunday Telegraph (13 April, 2008) where Spencer suggested that the falls in property prices at the beginning of 2008 should not be viewed as the cracking of a bubble and that property was still a good long term investment, Spencer was roundly criticised by readers, who called him a "confidence trickster".[4]

Personal life

Spencer grew up in Littlebourne, Kent and now lives in the Tonsleys area of Wandsworth. Spencer and his wife, Fiona, have two sons, Jake and Ben.

Spencer is a celebrity sponsor of the 2008 SOS Children's Villages UK's World Orphan Week.[5] and Broadway, a London homelessness charity.

References

  1. ^ Phil Spencer's biography on Channel4.com
  2. ^ Garrington - Garrington Home Finders - Press & Editorial
  3. ^ About page, Garrington Home Finders
  4. ^ "It's not just the housing market that's overheated", Sunday Telegraph, April 18, 2008
  5. ^ 'wear something WOW' for World Orphan Week

External links

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