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October 7

how do you find pages which are tagged non notable?

please let me know --Anshuk (talk) 00:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability - Icewedge (talk) 01:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks--Anshuk (talk) 01:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, for articles tagged as speedy deletion candidates under CSD A7, see CAT:NNSD.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, A7 is for articles with no credible internal claims of importance. "John Doe is a cool guy and he's a student at Anywhere High School. He's the best" is A7 deletable. "Jane Doe is a city councillor of Anywhereville, and owner of the largest female owned business in Anywheresville (pop 10,000)." isn't necessarily A7 deletable, since it makes some claims to importance. Whether these claims qualify as satisfying minimal notability requirements is up for debate, but A7 is distinctly not about non-notable topics. From WP:CSD#A7 "to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable." --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I am intimately familiar with A7's applicability and inapplicability, parameters, history and indeed have engaged in discussions seeking to clarify its use and language. I thought this might be a link useful for this user given his question and the common reference to it as the sole notability-related speedy deletion criterion under which articles are tagged.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

saving pages to work when offline

i want to know how to save pages on our computer and use them without connecting to internet59.93.91.62 (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

In your browser, click File then "Save Page As" or equivalent. For more, try asking at the Reference Desk Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 02:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to download many pages at once, see Wget and Web crawler. --Teratornis (talk) 06:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia pings

Hello, I'm browsing with my firewall log open as I type this, and I notice that I'm getting a lot of pings from an IP that traces to the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's a sample (my own IP edited out for privacy):

Oct  6 21:50:20 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49367 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:32: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Oct  6 21:50:32 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:38 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49367 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:50:56 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:51:44 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49366 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:52:04 165 Firewall[38]: Stealth Mode connection attempt to TCP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:49384 from 208.80.152.134:443
Oct  6 21:52:34: --- last message repeated 3 times ---

Is this normal? It happens even when I haven't recently clicked on any Wikipedia links.

My apologies if this is the wrong place to ask, and thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 03:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

That's odd. I seem to recall reading that Wikimedia did many, many years ago try out some code that would scan editors' IPs to try to detect (and block) open proxies, but it was quickly disabled because people complained. Certainly I haven't heard of anything like that being run these days. Anyway, you might get a better response at the technical village pump, or possibly on the wikitech-l mailing list or the #wikimedia-tech IRC channel on freenode. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It's still happening. Does it matter if my IP changes each time I connect? I'm not going to name my ISP publicly, but I noticed that it allocates me a different number every time I connect, sometimes quite far from my physical location. Thank you for answering. LovesMacs (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Googling for the log message turned up http://listserver.themacintoshguy.com/pipermail/X4U/2005-July/007705.html, which quotes http://forums.macnn.com/92/networking/259581/lilbit-confused-about-incomming-scan/ saying:

“

This is not an attack. It is return traffic from a web server for which the firewall connection table timeouts have been exceeded. It can be ignored. Latency or misconfiguration on the remote end is what I would blame for the delayed response from the server that got dropped by the firewall.

”

I believe that could well also be the case here. It seems to be happening fairly often: my Google search even turned up a report of someone getting these "Stealth Mode connection attempts" from Apple's own www.mac.com:80. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Of course, Google. Thank you very much for looking up this issue! LovesMacs (talk) 03:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Phishing site?

I was playing around and I was entering into my adress bar wikipedia.net wikipedia.com etc. Which both redirected to this website, but I entered wikipedia.tv in and it went to the site but my McAfee siteadvisor showed that it had not tested wikipedia.tv but it has wikipedia.org, so it must be a different site. When I click on a link it loads the other page but my address bar still says "wikipedia.tv"

Is this a scam/phishing site? Bonne Nuit Bijou (talk) 03:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

They seem to be wrapping http://www.wikipedia.org/ in a frameset. I didn't spot any outright malicious code at a glance, but it's certainly misleading at best. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Specifically, all I'm getting from them is:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
   "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>

<head>
  <title>Wikipedia </title>

</head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
  <frame src="http://www.wikipedia.org/" frameborder="0" />
  <frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>

<!-- pageok -->
<!-- 07 -->
<!-- 7.9-->
</html>

Where the number in  seems to vary in the range 01–07. Oh, and the HTTP headers say they're running "Microsoft-IIS/6.0" with ASP.NET 2.0.50727. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 04:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

If that's all the returned HTML then it's just a Wikipedia clone or similar. It's definitely not the actual Wikipedia, though. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The WikiEmperor should probably try to contact the owner of the site. 75.175.127.114 (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Template for top of article

Is there a template I can place at the top of an article saying:

"This article is about _____. For ______, see ______"

Or would I have to make one? Thanks :) —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 06:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Try {{about}} —teb728 t c 07:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Or, to avoid the redirect, {{Otheruses4}}. – ukexpat (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

More generally, see WP:DAB for an explanation of why, how and when to disambiguate page titles, and the templates used in various circumstances. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Tipi article vandalised

It needs reverting back to the previous version, unless they were really cheesable and made out of human skin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.114.12 (talk) 07:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning; I reverted it. —teb728 t c 08:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is a particular picture locally uploaded instead of on Commons?

I wonder why Image:Mercia family tree.jpg isn't on Commons? As far as I can see it is not a fair-use picture. I would like to use it on another wikipedia language version so I need to know what the problem is with this picture, if any. Åsa L (talk) 10:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Only because the user who uploaded it and assigned it a GFDL license did so here instead of there. More to the point, because it is a GFDL licensed image, you can upload it to the Commons or ask for its upload there if you don't feel like doing that task yourself. To simply request it, mark the page with {{Copy to Wikimedia Commons}}. This places the page into Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons. There is no guarantee how long it will take for someone else to actually do it. If you want to attempt the upload yourself, see Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Åsa L (talk) 12:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

What font or typeface is used for Wikipedia?

What font or typeface is used for Wikipedia websites? I have searched numerous Wikipedia websites (cascading style sheets [CSS], fonts, style manual, typefaces, etc.) but have not been able to find the answer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.147.2 (talk) 12:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It depends which skin you are using. My understanding is that when you're using Monobook, it tells your computer to use sans-serif, a category of font rather than a particular font itself. Your browser then chooses whichever sans-serif font happens to be its default. So you might see Arial on one browser but Optima on another.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Moving a reference desk question

How am I supposed to move a reference desk article that has been put in the wrong category?Leif edling (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

What article is this? Do you just want to change the category? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Cut the source of the thread from the wrong desk and paste it into the new desk. Normally, one would also leave a note at the original desk with a link to the thread at the new desk. And a note at the new desk saying that the question was originally asked at another desk. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help desk - Typing password at Wikipedia

Why sometimes insert symbol has disappeared? like typing password at Linux login???

as title. JustbeBPMF (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

What time wikipedia's function has growth to strong. JustbeBPMF (talk) 14:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Somehow you created a subpage; I have moved the content here. I'm not sure what you are asking. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hello

My article titles 'Eversley Storage Services' has been delted, and I can not find it in the deletion log. Please can you let me know where the content has gone and why it was removed?

Many thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storage Geek (talk • contribs) 14:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. That article was deleted per WP:CSD#G11. Here's its entry in the deletion log. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

picture

How do I upload A picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HUFF12 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

There's more information at WP:UPLOAD. You must be an autoconfirmed user as well. Your account has been active long enough, but you must make ten total edits before you can upload a picture. I hope this helps! TN‑X-Man 15:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

If they are your images, I would urge you to upload them to Commons where they will be available to all the Wikipedia projects. Commons does not have autoconfirmation requirements. – ukexpat (talk) 17:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

How can this image be properly displayed?

Someone just uploaded and added this image to the University of Houston System article. I believe the image fits the content nicely, but the way the Wikipedian who added it has it currently displayed seems odd. What would be a more appropriate way to display this in the article? A thumbnail? Thanks for your help! Brianreading (talk) 16:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I have thumbnailed the image and added a caption. Let me know if this helps! TN‑X-Man 16:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I keep getting spammed for adding external links

Hello,

I work with the Encyclopedia of Alabama (www.encyclopediaofalabama.org) and have been getting blocked from adding links to our website. We have over 500 articles that are relevant to articles already found on Wikipedia, and I feel our material is not spam. Here are my questions;

1. As a non-profit, educational project, are we not allowed to link Wiki articles to our articles?

2. Is there any way we could apply for an exception, or an over ride of the bots that keep blocking us as spam?

3. If I try to add an external link, and a Wiki bot removes it, is the author of the article notified that I attempted to add this external link? In that case, would the author be able to decide if it is relevant and then reinstate the link?

4. How would I contact the author of an article to let him/her know of the existence of our material?

Thanks,

Justin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22starala (talk • contribs) 16:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

A couple of notes. First of all, adding links to a site you are affliated with is considered a conflict of interest (see WP:COI) and is discouraged (read: don't do it). Secondly, it is expected that the addition of external links to articles will be a natural part of the process of adding real text to the main body of articles. The external links section is not merely a repository of every link that is tangentally related to the topic of the article. The link should also meet our rather stringet requirements as a reliable source. Any trouble you have run into is largely due to your pattern of behavior. Repeatedly adding nothing but external links to multiple articles, with no other substantive edits, is considered spamming regardless of the merit of the links being added. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. So, even if the link is removed, is the author notified so he/she can decide whether to reinstate it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22star (talk • contribs) 17:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

No they are not notified unless the page is on their watchlist. Also see #13 on this page WP:ELNO Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 17:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

maybe a side issue, but: most wikipedia articles probably don't have a single author. they're created by multiple contributors. Sssoul (talk) 17:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Where would I add a suggestion that we might be a useful link? I understand why I am not able to post these links, and completely accept the reasoning. However, I would like to find a way to let the author(s) discover our presence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22star (talk • contribs) 17:32, October 7, 2008

Wikipedia is not the correct method for advertising any link. You would be better served to build awareness of the site externally to WikiPedia. While it's a worst case scenario, and does not appear to currently be a concern for this link, links have been known to be blacklisted if it's perceived that self-promotion of a link is outweighing its value to Wikipedia.

To build external awareness, work on getting the link published in either dmoz or yahoo directories, published on university websites - or if sufficient news covereage from third party WP:reliable sources exists to establish its notability, consider creating a Wikipedia article about The Encyclopedia of Alabama. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

To be clearer... External links is not the place to put a bunch of links. What you should be doing is reading the articles. If there is a fact in an article that does not have a reference note, but you have the same information in your encyclopedia, then you can use your encyclopedia to reference it. For example, assume you have an article on Jimi Hendrix in your encyclopedia and you are reading the article about Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band on Wikipedia. In that article, it says that Jimi Hendrix played the song in concert 3 days after it was released. After that fact, you can add <ref>As noted on www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/JimiHendrix</ref>. As a reference, your link is beneficial. In External Links, your link is just spam. -- kainaw ™ 17:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:LINKFARM for more explanation. The External links section of a Wikipedia article is primarily a temporary tool for further developing articles. We expect that as articles evolve toward featured status, the (undifferentiated) external links will shrink, and the topical References section will grow.

To learn about citing sources with footnotes, see: WP:V, WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, and WP:FOOT. (Caution: these procedures are not simple, and don't expect everything to make sense instantly on the first reading.)
Peruse our featured articles to see the proper balance between references and external links. For example, the first featured article I just randomly grabbed, 7 World Trade Center, has 101 footnote references and just three external links. As featured articles illustrate the best content on Wikipedia, that is approximately the balance between references and external links every article should evolve toward. Bot programs that delete external links are a heavy-handed aspect of that evolution - admittedly, not ideal from an ergonomic standpoint, but we have the Help desk here to clean up the mess and confer understanding.

Wikipedia has complex rules that are often unintuitive and difficult for new users to understand. However, these rules have helped to make Wikipedia a top ten Web site. If everyone already understood these principles, then anybody could build a top ten site. However, most people cannot do that, and thus it follows that most people, upon deciding to contribute to Wikipedia, will have to learn to think in new ways - the type of thinking that produces a top ten site. A new hire at, say, Google would undoubtedly have to learn new ways of thinking as well, to catch up to the particular rules that Google has worked out to become the enormous success that it currently is. Google's rules may be different than Wikipedia's rules, but the difference on Wikipedia is that we publish all our rules for the whole world to freely study and emulate. --Teratornis (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

To answer the OP's latest question, the proper thing to do is to use the talk pages of the articles. Choose one or two actively edited articles, and post a discussion at the talk page of those articles (look for the tab at the top labeled "discussion"). DO NOT simply spam the link to 100 article talk pages, that will just get you into more trouble. Instead, try to engage other editors, get their opinions on the issue, and see what consensus develops over your website. You never know, editors may deem the site both reliable and useful. Be prepared, they may find it unreliable and consensus may go that way, but if so that is the way that Wikipedia works. You may want to read WP:BRD, which contains a rather good essay on this process. Good luck! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, please be sure to read WikiPedia's policy on sock puppetry (and the sub-section on meat puppetry). I noticed a pattern of user accounts that were adding the links - all of which were created within one hour of each other earlier today:

Regardless of the appropriateness of the link, using multiple single purpose accounts to add the link to multiple articles will tend to raise even more questions around a potential conflict of interest. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Check an edit, please

Could someone with a Yahoo account, please check this edit? Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 20:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yahoo groups are not considered a reliable source. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 20:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Right, and I see you reverted it. The one-line mail can be seen at [1]. I see no reason the author http://profiles.yahoo.com/mistercoke44 should be allowed as a selfpublished reference. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Malformed MfD

Why is the topmost transclusion malformed here: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion#October_7.2C_2008? RJaguar3 | u | t 23:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Pages change. Can you be more specific about the problem, or is it gone? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It's gone. I think it disappeared when another MfD was added on top of it. RJaguar3 | u | t 17:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

October 8

semi-protected...

I would like to add a few points to the entry for John McCain. This record is "semi-protected" and I would like access so I can add a few entries with references.

FMook (talk) 00:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC).

You already have access, actually. Autoconfirmed users can edit semi-protected pages. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like FMook is 1 edit away from being autoconfirmed. So, they could make an edit elsewhere, become autoconfirmed, and then make the desired edits, or they can post on Talk:John McCain, explaining what edits they want made, and can get consensus on them. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Linking images from Wikimedia

Hi,

I'm trying to include an image in an article I'm writing. I have successfully uploaded it to wikimedia, but I can't seem to get it to display in a wikipedia article. I cannot yet upload directly to wikipedia, as I'm not yet an established user. Can someone please help me out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LightHorseman1216 (talk • contribs) 02:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing you're referring to Image:Twilkinschfullht6.jpg, which you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons? Have you read Wikipedia:Images, Wikipedia:Extended image syntax, or Wikipedia:Picture tutorial? Those pages should give you all the details you need, but if they're just not working please point out what you've tried, and what the result has been. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Heads of Governments

How can i get a list of the names of presidents, kings, priministers , etc. of different countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.15.58.194 (talk) 04:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Is List of current heads of state and government what you're after?--A bit iffy (talk) 05:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

At first I suspected this question was from Sarah Palin, but then I realized she has staffers now to look that stuff up. --Teratornis (talk) 19:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Uploading query

Hello, I have one general question about wiki. It is possible to uploud to wiki pdf or doc files? And if it so, will be fulltext search looking into these documents, too? Thank for your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iowa00 (talk • contribs) 09:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

No— PDF and DOC files cannot be uploaded. Depending on the content, you may be able to upload then to Wikisource and use them as references. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 11:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

is this image up for deletion or not?

i noticed on a number of pages on my watch list, a note had been added to Image:GlassPerscriptionRig.jpg that it was nominated for speedy deletion. i checked the history of the file, and a non-admin seemed to have made some changes but the notes are still there in the articles. i guess i'm just not clear on the csd process. the file shouldn't be deleted, and seems to have been nominated hastily based on a technicality. i've looked around at relevant articles and i'm still lost. how can i find out the current status of the file? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coffee joe (talk • contribs) 11:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The image is not going to be deleted. I've removed the notes from the articles. Algebraist 12:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Want to know the synonyms of Logistics

Just provide me with the greek,latin,french,chinese,japanese,urdu,hindi,bengali words for "Logistics". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.243.0 (talk) 12:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 12:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete this article?

Sorry, can't say any more than that this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udder_cream seems like pure advertising and should probably be deleted.

Julian I Do Stuff (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC).

You should list the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Admiral Norton ^(talk) 12:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I have cleaned out most of the advertising: the external links and promotional language. TN‑X-Man 12:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It was pure advertising for a moisturiser. I tagged it for speedy deletion, and it's been deleted. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 09:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Galleries

Where do we stand on galleries of images in articles? There's a user working through Shakespeare's plays adding gallery sections and I don't want to interact with him/her on the subject until I know if there's a policy issue. If all that work is going to be undone, either the moment it's spotted or before the articles get up to WP:GA, then I'd like to advise him/her to stop rather than wasting this effort. However if this is good work that Wikipedia wants, then that's good. Isn't there some kind of WP:NOT problem? AndyJones (talk) 12:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It's all right, as far as the images themselves are not violating any policies. In fact, WP:BUNCH advises users to use galleries if there are a lot of images. There are a lot of articles (such as Niagara Falls) using galleries. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Clearly non-notable software articles

What should I do with articles like IShowU or ScreenFlow? Admiral Norton ^(talk) 12:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

You have tagged them for deletion, which should be OK. Normally software isn't eligible for speedy, but there's so little context to those articles that it'll probably be up to the discretion of the closing admin. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 12:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

They are clear as to subject, so no-context would be intellectually dishonest; and they're no longer copyvios or advertisements. I've prodded them instead. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Taipei Underground is developed presently

Deriative FX at commons

Is it broken? (link) I'm trying to upload a deriative and it's taking ages, quite literally. It's been at least half an hour now! Best, --Cameron * 15:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure. You might want to ask on the IRC channel #wikimedia-toolserver Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 15:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It loaded when I tried it right now. ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 08:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Weird link on user page

Resolved

– template deleted from user page - – ukexpat (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Folks, I would appreciate some help here - I was just looking at my user page and noticed a strange link to Help:User contributions in the top right corner just above the "skip to bottom" link. I cannot figure out where it's coming from. Any ideas? I know the page is a mess so I am not asking (yet) for design advice just some assistance with detective work. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks to be coming from {{sp-contributions-footer}}. Normally, MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer is only used on the "My contributions" page; but the template on your userpage is a redirect to the Mediawiki page - resulting on that link appearing on other pages. See the talk page for MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-footer for the reason that it was added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that was it, so I deleted {{sp-contributions-footer}}. Thanks for the quick response. – ukexpat (talk) 15:33, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

That's too bad I have it on my userpage too. I like that at the bottom but the Help:Contributions thing is annoying. Scottydude _talk 18:06, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I posted a comment about it at MediaWiki talk:Sp-contributions-footer#Unintended side-effect. Please join in on the discussion on that talk page to discuss the link and/or what options exist. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Need ability to post a picture Vontra --Vontra (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I have read through and gotten lost over several days and just can't get past the photo insert. No one has blocked me, at least not that I know of, and I would like to add portraits to the biographies that I am putting up.

Can someone grant me permission to load the pictures? I do not want to load them into the common file but into the English picture file.

Help! This is frustrating me.

Thanks,

Vontra

Hello Vontra. Only autoconfirmed users can upload files to Wikipedia. Autoconfirmed status is gained automatically, after 4 days and ten registered edits. You will then have access to the Special:Upload interface. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

May I ask why you don't want to upload to Commons? If you created the images that is by far the best place to upload them so that they are available to all the WP projects, and Commons does not have autoconfirmation requirements. – ukexpat (talk) 16:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! After reading the descriptions of both places to deposit photos, I decided the other category was best. I have been a user for more than four days - I have no idea how many edits I have made. How would I find out? --Vontra (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

You can click the tab at the top of the page that says "my contributions". If you are using the default skin, it should be at the VERY top of every Wikipedia page. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Or; you can go to Special:Preferences and look at "Member of groups"; it will show if you are in the Autoconfirmed users group. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding donating information

Hello! We're a little confused about donating copyrighted information. We at Bryn Mawr College hold the copyright to information on our Special Collections website, and we are trying to add some of this content to Wikipedia, but it is repeatedly being flagged for deletion/blanked because we don't say on the website that we are releasing it under GFDL. We ARE, however, releasing it under GFDL and have said so on all of the talk pages (not that I'm saying these pages are wrongfully blanked - we fully understand the need to verify this information). We have also left note of our email address, which is the one posted on the bottom of all of our library pages, on the talk pages. Is that not an okay first step? We've read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials, which says:

If you want to grant Wikipedia permission to use material from your site, but don't want to place a statement to that effect on your site, you can leave us a notice to that effect on the article's talk page (or on your user page if your site covers a number of topics). This does require that your site have a posted email contact, or some other similar means for us to verify that we really do have the relevant permission. Someone from Wikipedia will then contact that email address to confirm the permission, and we will be able to add your site to a list of those from which our editors may freely draw.

Is that not true? Will that not happen? Thanks! Bmcspecial (talk) 17:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

It may be easier to e-mail OTRS, see WP:IOWN. – ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The email should go to permissions-en@wikimedia.org However, it would be easier to put the GFDL info on your site.Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 18:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I know it would be "easier", but computing services won't give us access to our own website.Bmcspecial (talk) 18:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Just realized that sounded a little cross! Wasn't meant to be - we're more frustrated with the fact that we can't edit our own website than anything going on here. :) Bmcspecial (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who thought you sounded cross must lack sangfroid. On Wikipedia, we assume good faith. On the Help desk, we are used to stating facts succinctly, without too much bowing and scraping and "By your leave, Sir"s etc. Should you ever feel the need to sound cross, it's as simple as PRESSING THE CAPS LOCK KEY. It sounds as if you should send a little CAPS LOCK to your computing services people. --Teratornis (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

That we should! Bmcspecial (talk) 19:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

tag for logical contradiction

Is there a tag that can be used to flag a logical contradiction that I am unable to resolve myself? For example, where one sentence says something that is contradicted by the next sentence. ike9898 (talk) 19:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, actually. {{Contradiction}} Someguy1221 (talk) 19:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I recently added a {{Wikipedia template messages}} navigation template to all the Template messages pages. {{Wikipedia template messages}} contains a {{Google custom}} search link for searching those pages. For example, it lets you search for "contradiction"; here is the overkill illustration of that search (you don't have to go through all this to search from the navigation template, of course):

Type this	To get this	What it produces, or searches for
`{{google custom\|en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_messages\|contradiction\|search Wikipedia's template messages for: contradiction}}`	search Wikipedia's template messages for: contradiction	Search the Wikipedia:Template messages subtree for: contradiction

That leads to the Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup#Contradiction and confusion section. --Teratornis (talk) 19:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I just made {{contradiction-inline}} Densock|Dendodge^{in public} 11:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

div background-image in wikipedia

Hi, i don't know is this the right place to post this question or not but can someone help me please,
I want know how i can use background-image with adjustable transparency in DIV tags here in wikipedia; or any other way that i can use background-image inside a frame. ■ MMXX^talk 19:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC) PS. a same message is also posted in Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)

Where on Wikipedia do you want to use this? It's unlikely that fancy design methods would be appropriate in articles. See Wikipedia:Manual of style. --Teratornis (talk) 21:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I want to use this in wikiproject page. i need something like this code:
<div style="background-image: url(../IMAGE.EXT);">TEXT TEXT TEXT</div>
Any advice ? ■ MMXX^talk 19:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

User Pages

Is there anything that can't go on a user page other than illegal items? Is it alright to have advertising for your product on your user page or not? --Samtheboy ^(t/c) 20:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

See WP:USERPAGE for more information. In short, no, it is not OK for you to use your userspace to advertise. Wikipedia is not a free webhost, and your userpage is to be used solely for Wikipedia-related content. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Further to Jayron's answer, have a look at #6 in WP:UP#NOT. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 20:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama

I would like to see any information on Barack Obama? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.191.33.237 (talk) 20:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

See Barack Obama. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 20:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Country Music Pictures

I have some country music pictures that you don't have. How do I upload them to you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.37.205 (talk) 20:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello anon. This depends on the copyright status of the images. If they are under copyright, they cannot be used except in exceptional circumstances. If they are free-use images, you might want to look at the Wikimedia Commons, the depository for free images across all Wikimedia projects. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 20:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict with above) In order to upload pictures, you need an account. See WP:WHY for other reasons why creating an account is a good idea. Additionally, you should consider creating an account at Wikimedia Commons a site that will allow your pictures to be shared among all of the various Wikipedia/Wiktionary/Wikinews/etc. sites in ALL languages, and not just the English Language Wikipedia. Once you have an account, if you need more help with the technical aspects of uploading and liscencing images, see WP:IMAGE, WP:IUP, and Help:Images and other uploaded files. Good luck! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Where to obtain help on writing a template?

I've written my first template, which still needs some work, but has (somewhat to my surprise) already been put into use in articles. I want to improve it and have some technical questions on templating; is this the right place? I'm thinking this is less about Wikipedia, per se, (i.e., WP articles and practices) and more about the software, so maybe I should be asking in some other forum. TJRC (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

That's pretty nifty! You could try the Village pump (technical) or Media Wiki template help as a starting point. – ukexpat (talk) 21:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

And see WP:EIW#Template. --Teratornis (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The people over at Wikipedia:Requested templates are very knowledgeable and I've requested help there for esoteric template matters though the page is not technically an advice forum.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Can't move page

Could someone move Ubuntu Live USB Creator to Ubuntu Live USB creator ? I can't do it... SF007 (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why do you want to move it? Isn't Ubuntu Live USB Creator the name of the software? --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 21:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I took a look at a few websites and it appears that creator is not part of the title proper, and given that SF007 is the sole contributor I went ahead and moved it (and fixed a double redirect created). Note that requested moves, both uncontroversial and controversial, can be requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Now that the redirect has a sole edit, anyone can move it back, if needed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I was not aware of a place to request moves. I just wanted to move because of a typo I made in "Creator". Thanks. SF007 (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad Kamal

Muhammad Kamal(1955-)is a Kurd from Kurdistan of Iraq. He obtained Diploma in Education from Teachers Institute in Erbil. He left Iraq in 1979 to pursue his studies in Philosophy. He obtained B.A. (Honours), M. A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy at the University of Karachi. He taught first as a lecturer then as an assistant professor in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Karachi from 1985 to 1994. In 1992 he went to Germany on DAAD scholarship for post-doctoral research. He migrated to Australia in 1994.Currently, he is a senior lecturer at the University of Melbourne in Australia. Kamal writes in Kurdish and English and has publisded widely on Philosophy particularlu Existenmtailsim. He is considered to be one of the forerunners of Existentailsm in Kurdistan and one of the founders of the Existentialist group in the city of Sulemani the cultural capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. Kamal's thought was first developed under the influence of Hegel and Jean-Paul Sartre. Now his main focus and area of interest is the philosophy of Martin Heidegger. Kamal has published five books in English, ten books in Kurdish and a number of reserach papers in international philosophical journals. At present he lives in Melbourne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.67.210 (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. What is your question ?!? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the questioner assumes this is how to go about creating a biographical article about Muhammad Kamal. The help desk occasionally receives these sorts of disconnected biographical snippets. To the questioner: if you want to learn how to contribute articles to Wikipedia which have a low probability of getting deleted, perhaps the most self-contained introduction is the book: Wikipedia - The Missing Manual. All the same information is in our online help, but the book presents the basics in serial order, which might be easier for someone new to Wikipedia than to get lost in the endless collection of online hypertext. --Teratornis (talk) 04:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

October 9

e-Mail

When I initially established my account, I submitted the wrong e-mail address due to a typo error. How do I change or correct my E-Mail address? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.194.92 (talk) 02:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

First you need to log into your account. You are currently editing while logged out. Secondly, there is a tab at the VERY top of every page that says "my preferences". Click that tab, and you can change your default email address there. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

A "Jimbo Wales" subpage

I came across this: User:Hda3ku/ / / / / / / / / / / sdf when I decided to see where the Jibo Ravana.jpg picture linked to. Now, I want to assume good faith here, but I'm afraid it could be used for "naughtiness", if you know what I mean. A little help? Thx. ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 03:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It's just a copy of some revision of User:Jimbo Wales. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

yeah, the WP:AGF response is to ignore it, since it doesn't seem to be doing any actual harm. Actually, my best guess is that the user liked the layout of Jimbo's user page, and made himself a copy to play around with the Wikitext and see about implementing some of it himself. Just a guess here. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 03:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

One could ask about it on User talk:Hda3ku. --Teratornis (talk) 04:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 08:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Article Fjolla

There ia an article here on Fjolla that I was going to transwiki to Wiktionary, but the word already exists there, but without this meaning (see wikt:Fjolla). I would think it needs to be merged with that entry because it is non-encyclopedic in nature to stand, being simply a definition of the word, as an article here. My problem is what to do. It does not qualify, from what I gather, for tagging {{Copy to Wiktionary}} because the words exists there already. Does it need to be AFD'd, and then appended to wiktionary once deleted, or is there some other method other than the copy tag that will expedite this? --JavierMC 06:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that it needs to be transwikied to Wikt. The WP Fjolla article is about the name, whereas the Wikt definition is for other uses of the word. The WP article can certainly stand on its own - we have many articles about first names - John (first name) for example, that also have definitions on Wikt - John. Fjolla need some work, but I think it is a valid WP article. The Wikt definition could be expanded to include the name definition, similar to John, though it would obviously be less detailed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I have wikified Fjolla and created the relevant name category and sub-cat and applied the sub-cat. Maybe someone familiar with IPA could add the correct IPA pronunciation key? – ukexpat (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Asking for votes?

Now, an editor has asked on his/her userpage for editors to go to an AfD and vote Keep. Now, I know there's a policy against this, but I can't recall which one. Can you help me? Thanks! (Oh, if that's not against policy, also let me know, please!) ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 08:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you're thinking of Wikipedia:Canvassing, but I don't think that's what's going on here. Spamming lots of people's talk pages to try to persuade them to support your point of view is frowned on. Highlighting a discussion on a userpage isn't. In fact, encouraging relevant editors to contribute to a discussion is a contructive approach. It might sometimes be helpful to remind people that an AFD is a discussion, not a vote, though. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 08:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess this is about User:Crazyla112 which looks inappropriate to me. It makes unsourced partisan claims in a place other people are unlikely to comment. And it's by the article creator who has a strong conflict of interest (screen writer for the article subject) and asks people to please go to the AfD and vote keep. They are not asked to consider guidelines, alleged sources or anything else. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright question

Can I use the top part of this image free of copyright (date c1920s) in a Wikipedia article? Mjroots (talk) 09:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Not necessarily. If the author of the photograph is unknown, then possibly, because it's fair to assume it was taken in the 1920s and copyright will therefore have expired. If the author is known, however, then copyright will subsist until 70 years after their death, so the image may not be copyright free yet. _Gb^T/c 12:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture is almost certainly from an old picture postcard, the publishers of which are almost certainly defunct.Mjroots (talk) 08:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If the publisher is defunct, that makes it more difficult to use the image. The publisher might have been a source of information on whether the image was still under copyright and on how to contact the photographer for permission. —teb728 t c 09:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I want to report a sock-puppet

I am sure that User:WorldAtlas and User:ThomasBuckley are the same person. They make similar edits to the same articles and they even sign their names in the same incorrect manner. Also they are coluding in a debate as to which logo to use in the article University of East Anglia - See here. What can you do about this? I don't think it's right if the same person is trying to manipulate debate to get their own way. 79.75.215.137 (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Usual place would be WP:SSP, but given the cross-over of edits, it's pretty clear that they're one and the same. The giveaway, for me, is that Thomas Buckley uploads a logo for Connecticut College here, and a few minutes later WorldAtlast edits the page here to insert it. _Gb^T/c 12:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

So what will be done about it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.215.137 (talk • contribs)

Try checking the talk pages of the user concerned...the older account has been blocked for one day, the younger account has been indefinitely blocked as a sock._Gb^T/c 12:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I think reporting it to WP:Suspected sock puppets is the best thing to do. Gb is right, it is pretty obvious that there's sockpuppetry occuring here, but SSP is still the place to go to get it dealt with. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Erm, I've already dealt with it...although my previously reply was a bit vague, so I've expanded on it now. If you mean what to do with future instances, then yes, definitely add them to the permanent backlog that is WP:SSP ;-) _Gb^T/c 13:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Electrical Engineering

I heve N6 Diploma from Durban Tecnical College can I enrool with you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.110.52.117 (talk) 11:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can create an account on wikipedia - you're welcome here regardless of your qualifications. Just click on the Log in / create account link at the top right of any wikipedia page. You don't even have to create an account to edit, but there are advantages to doing so. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 12:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.8 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 12:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can anybody please take a look at this contributions (Special:Contributions/Bopped_Kia)? For example Uncle Sam. Thank you. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 12:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Already blocked, thanks for the heads up. For future reference, vandalism is best reported to this page where it'll get a quicker response. _Gb^T/c 12:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

As I'm contributing to the German Wikipedia I didn't know the right place for my enquiry. Thanks though. --тнояsтеn ⇔ 14:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Zaccanopoli

Anyone want to take a look at the Zaccanopoli article. I have trouble believing anything in the article is true. Kobain (talk) 13:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be a real place, but I've removed the obvious vandalism. Thanks for catching that! TN‑X-Man 14:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Help

I am working on my first article/page in a "sandbox", my user page, as suggested. Three questions:

1. Citing sources: I am pulling information from fact sheets, overviews, and annual reports supplied by the user group, the subject of my article. Do I cite those as sources or is it not necessary or do I just cite the user group address and user group website?

2. How do I move the content from my user page to Wikipedia once I am ready? Start a page and copy and paste?

3. If the article is accepted by Wikipedia, when and how will I be able to upload and display a logo for the user group?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CarinJohns (talk • contribs) 15:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to just dump some homework on you but take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article, WP:CORP and WP:FAQ/Business and WP:RS. In order to upload an image your account needs to be 4 days old with 10 edits. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 16:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

To be more specific to answer these questions:

1. You want to be as specific as possible when citing a source. You want someone to be able to find the exact page you are looking at if they were to check. If you only cite the website in question, it may not be easy or intuitive to find the source. If you are looking at a webpage, cite the exact URL of the page that ties to that "fact", and if you are reading a book, you should cite the page number and edition (ISBN) so someone could find it if they wanted to. WP:CITE and WP:CITET are good references for how to handle this.

2. Once you are "autoconfirmed" (4 days and 10 edits on your account) you will have a series of new tabs appear at the top of your screen. One is named "move". You simply use that tab, which will open an easy to use dialog where you move the article to the new name. Its pretty easy, but if you have trouble or are unsure of how to use it, ask an experienced user (I can do it) to help out or show you how it works.

3. Likewise, once you are autoconfirmed (4 days and 10 edits) you will get a new option on the LEFT side of your screen, in the "toolbox" section that says "upload file". There is an upload wizard that will walk you through the process. Before you upload, you should DEFINATELY read WP:IMAGE and WP:IUP for information on image liscencing and Wikipedia. Its complicated, and make certain you understand how to correctly tag and describe any images you upload.

4. I know you didn't ask a question #4, but I thought it prudent to answer an implicit question you may not know you had. With regard to "acceptable" articles at Wikipedia, you should read and understand the concept of notability at Wikipedia. In your article, you need to establish that the group/person/company/whatever has been recognized as notable by the world at large outside of Wikipedia. In order to do that, your article should cite extensive coverage of the subject in independent sources (those unconnected to the subject itself). If no one outside of Wikipedia and the subject has written about it, then it shouldn't have an article on Wikipedia. Be certain your article is able to meet that basic requirement.

Good luck, and let us know if you need more help! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I've looked at the sandbox, and there's no way that organization is going to pass muster as notable. We can't have articles here on every organization on the planet; it's simply not practical. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

FWIW I agree with you completely. Maybe a one sentence mention in the SAP AG article or related articles, but not a whole article to itself -- as it stands it would probably be deleted per WP:CSD#G11 or WP:CSD#A7. I seriously doubt whether there is any significant coverage in any WP:RS to be found. – ukexpat (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Requested Template:User Good Topic

Within Category:Wikipedia featured topics templates there should be a Template:User Good Topic analogue to Template:User Featured Topic. Can someone throw something together.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

~~:Template:User Good topics exists...doesn't have the behavoir of the FT template, but could be an easy fix.~~ Louis Waweru Talk 15:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

That is the analogue to Template:User Featured topics. Both are needed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I modeled one after the analogue...please let me know if something isn't linking to the right page. Louis Waweru Talk 16:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It is not working properly. It is showing on the side no matter where I place it on the page. I want it to work like {{User Good Article}} in terms of page placement.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It does not seem to be boxing correctly on my user page and is showing twice although only added once.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I placed it on your page for you...that's why it was appearing twice. I removed it and I think it should box fine now. Louis Waweru Talk 17:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

O.K. All seems fine now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

One last thing. I think good in good topic status should be lower case.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Done - BTW, do you know of a reason why "Good topic status" and "Featured status" would be in bold? Louis Waweru Talk 18:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess to make them stand out.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Album page infoboxes are missing genres

I did some mass editing to some of my created album pages about 12 hours ago, but since I made the changes none of the pages are displaying the Genre section of the album. I've viewed the pages on two different computers at both home and work, and the problem persists even on pages which I haven't touched for months. Is something the matter here? Mac dreamstate (talk) 17:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the genre variable has been removed, see Template_talk:Infobox_Album#Genres Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 17:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I see. Does that mean I should hold off editing any album pages for a while? Mac dreamstate (talk) 17:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

No, they should be fine to edit; it's only that one line that is under debate. Meanwhile, if you have any opinion about the matter, it is under discussion here. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for pointing that out to me. I've been completely dumbstruck by their disappearance ever since last night! Mac dreamstate (talk) 17:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Upload a Piciture I created

I am not an administrator but desire to upload a logo that represents the golf tournament I am creating a page for.

Can someone help me upload the jpg image I have on my hard drive to the wiki server so that I can reference it and have it appear on the new wiki page I am creating about the golf tournament?

Thank you,

17:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)LionsNational (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

In order to upload a picture, you need to first be "autoconfirmed". That requires that you have 4 days experience and a minimum of 10 edits. Once you are autoconfirmed, there will be a whole bunch of new tools you will have access to, including the option to upload files. On the left side of the screen, under the "toolbox" header will be a link that says "Upload file". From there, a series of "wizards" can help you through the technical aspects of uploading files. Also, before you upload ANYTHING, you should read and understand Wikipedia's rather strict policies on the proper use and liscencing of images. Such information can be found at WP:IMAGE and WP:IUP. This is perhaps one of the most complicated and stringent parts of Wikipedia, so be certain you understand how to correctly tag and label your images when they are uploaded; improperly labeled and/or used images can present legal complications for the Wikimedia Foundation (wikipedia's parent compnay) and they need to be strict that intellectual property laws are followed to the letter. Good luck, and if you need any more help, feel free to ask! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

If it is your own work please upload it to Commons so that it is available to all the WP projects. Commons does not have autoconfirmation requirements. – ukexpat (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Translating pages

Hi, is there an area/ wikiproject that deals with translating articles from other wikis? TheMorid i a n 18:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Check out WP:TIE. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 18:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

And WP:EIW#Translate. --Teratornis (talk) 21:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Glasses that are too big;)

Hi. if you go to my user page, there at the bottom is an image of oversized glasses with a quote under it. Is there any way to compress the image? Contact me on my talk page, thanks.--Archeopteryx (talk) 18:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Replied on the user's talk page. _Gb^T/c 18:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

'The Workers in the Vineyard'

I tried to create this page as a simple redirect to ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Workers_in_the_Vineyard but it asked me not to. Any particular reason? No biggie, no rush, whenever, thanks. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 19:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on what you mean by “it asked me not to”? Did you perhaps try to redirect to the full URL rather than the article title, [[Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard]]? —teb728 t c 20:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Prize for improving articles?

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Hello, I recall seeing a Wikipedia page somewhere where editors could request for articles to be improved, such as to Featured Article status, in exchange for a monetary reward. I can't seem to find this page, and a quick look at the archives didn't turn up anything relevant. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:REWARD would be the one! Pedro : Chat 21:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Making a new article that needs the title of a redirect...

I want to make a new article for the name of a school, but when I put in the name of the school, instead of going to "An article doesn't exist," it redirects to a school that has a similar name but isn't actually called it. At the top it says it was redirected from my search term. How can I make a new article from a redirected search term? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fedorka (talk • contribs) 21:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC) --Fedorka :-) (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

If you click on the "redirected from......" comment you will get to the original page and will be able to edit it. However there may be a very good reason for the redirect so a disambiguation link may be needed. What article are you trying to create? Pedro : Chat 21:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Theresianum (it's an academy in Vienna... it redirects to an Austrian military academy) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fedorka (talk • contribs) 21:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Is the school you want to create known exactly by that name? If so go here] and you can create the article. But if this is not the exact school name we will need a disambiguation page. You'll also want to put a WP:HATNOTE at the top of your new article to help readers learn if they are looking at the right article. (click on my blue links for more info). Also, if you wouldn't mind, when you type a comment please add four tildes ( like this ~~~~) as it signs your name automagically. Ta! Pedro : Chat 21:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It's known as both the Theresianum and as the Theresianum Academy (although people searching would most likely just put Theresianum). What do you think I should do? And sorry about the signature issue... I've never posted on here before... :-) --Fedorka :-) (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

You could write the article at Theresianum Academy, and then turn the Theresianum redirect into a disambiguation page to direct people to both articles. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 22:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Theresianum should be a disambiguation page with links to Theresian Military Academy and Theresianum Academy in that case (I'm assuming the one you wish to create will be notable, but in general schools will be). So you create an article at Theresianum Academy (click the red link) and then edit Theresianum per the instructions at WP:DISAMBIG to turn it into a page where our readers can choose which academy they mean. Sorry if this seems all very laborious but with so many articles it is inevitable Wikipedia will have places with more than one common name. Also, see WP:FIRST for article writing help. Pedro : Chat 22:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Is it worth putting my band on Wiki or will it just be deleted?

Hi

I've been using Wikipedia for a long time now, but have never edited any page myself, which I now want to try.

For my 1st attempt I really want to make a page for my band, but have a few reservations. We are a fairly well known underground band here in my city, but as New Zealand isnt a massive place we are not going to be known outside of it (aside from Myspace). My concern is that I would be wasting my time, that I would make a page for my band and it would get deleted as we are not famous and cannot site lots of sources proving we are real etc (though we do have a myspace page). I wanted to put a few wee pictures up and maybe a song for people to listen to and download if they like us, a way of getting used to using a Wiki and making a page for my band at the same time. Should I bother?

Thanks Rush Bloodbomb (talk) 22:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

You've already explained that your band is not notable. So, it would be deleted. Having a MySpace page does not indicate notability. Anyone (even pets) can have MySpace pages. Basically, Wikipedia is not for advertising a band. It is an encyclopedia for things that are already notable and do not need to be advertised. -- kainaw ™ 22:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Agree. See WP:BAND for more information. Tan | 39 22:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought that may be the case, you didnt have to be condescending about it though. Oh wait, your American, yes you did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodbomb (talk • contribs) 22:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh ya, discrimination is surely gonna make your case... Grsz ^X 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) That's a pretty large assumption there. Why are you assuming that these editors are American, and why would that mean they're condescending? The response to your question didn't seem overly condescending to me. GlassCobra 22:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

No need to be uncivil about it, though, Bloodbomb. Notability is an important guideline in the Wikiworld, Tan and Kai were just explaining that. They might have been a little harsh about it, but it's your comment that's really unacceptable. Also, sign your posts with four tildes (which look like ~~~~). Thanks, I c eUnshattered ^{[ t ]} 22:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this essay is in order. Garycompugeek (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Be nice! He/she/it is obviously intelligent and has good command of grammar, and at least he/she/it asked, rather than just creating an article.

Release an album, then you can have an article - but only if you don't make it yourself. Dendodge|Talk^Contribs 23:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Bloodbomb asked a question in good faith. While the initial brusque answers are factually correct (it would take a brave man to bet on a new article about a band surviving long against the tender mercies of deletionists, who regard band articles as a food group), a more constructive response would be to tell Bloodbomb that creating new articles on Wikipedia is perhaps the most difficult, high-risk way to get started as an editor. For a new article to survive, especially in the topic area of bands where new articles die faster than replacement troops in the Battle of Stalingrad, the article's creator must have more than a first-timer's knowledge of Wikipedia's rules. The conservative approach is to begin by making small edits to existing articles, study what other editors do to your edits, and learn to look up the various policies and guidelines that the other editors are (or should be) following when they edit something. (I try to help, by adding links in my edit summaries that explain what I do to articles, and why.) Over time, the new editor will learn what survives on Wikipedia and what doesn't, giving him/herself a stronger chance of writing a new article that might survive. Bloodbomb, you should also peruse the featured articles about music. To pick one at random, see Janet Jackson. In particular, see Janet Jackson#Footnotes. Even if some deletionist on Wikipedia had never heard of Janet Jackson, he or she could easily see from the huge number of reliable sources in those footnotes that this Janet Jackson person is clearly notable. If you want to write an article about your band that survives, write your article to the same standard as those other featured articles about music. As even a cursory glance will indicate, a first-time Wikipedia editor is many hours of study away from mastering all the Wikipedia arcana that goes into creating a featured article. Perhaps the single biggest hurdle is learning to find reliable sources and put them into footnotes. See WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, and WP:FOOT. You can learn to make footnotes by adding them to articles that need them - and Lord knows Wikipedia has plenty of articles that need them. Another way to learn is to watch the Articles for deletion page. When you see (yet) another band article coming up for deletion debate, often the problem is that the article lacks the kind of sourcing you find in Janet Jackson. See if you can add those sources and rescue the article from deletion. Once you can save a few articles for other bands, you will be much more ready to write your own article with defenses already built in. Good luck, and thanks for asking on the Help desk rather than forging ahead in blind faith as so many others do, to their grief. --Teratornis (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

And of course there is the conflict of interest problem, but I regard that as secondary if you learn how to write featured articles. Only a tiny percentage of Wikipedia's editors know how to write featured articles, so conflicts of interest become much more likely in the average case of someone writing about something they have a personal involvement with. Who would write an article about a band anyway, besides members of the group, or their fans? If only disinterested parties could write about bands, we probably wouldn't have any band articles. --Teratornis (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

If you're not notable enough for Wikipedia yet, see WP:OUTLET and wikiindex:WikiIndex. And in the meantime, practice editing on other bands' articles on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 23:32, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Brusque? Condescending? I don't see either of those - I see an answer that explained WP notability as it applies to bands with links to the relevant pages. The fact that the original poster didn't like the answer does not mean it was inappropriate in content or tone. – ukexpat (talk) 14:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

See our side discussion on Wikipedia talk:Help desk#Condescending. Anyone who spends much time online will have the puzzling experience of typing things without conscious malice that someone on the other side of the world finds offensive. Similar problems arise in the real world, where one person's innocent comments can wound someone else. Sensitivity training tries to fix this, generating much fodder for late-night comedians in the process. --Teratornis (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

October 10

Faster-than-light

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if a particle travels faster than light what happens? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.97.146.59 (talk) 03:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

See Tachyon and Faster-than-light. --Teratornis (talk) 04:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I request this account to be deleted under blant advertising and promotion

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USER:CASIPILLAI

Reason is, I did not realise that we are not allowed to promote our work therefore I am requesting you to delete my account permenantly. I am aware this site is not for advertising and I apologise for any inconvience.

I request this account to be deleted under blant advertising and promotion

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casipillai (talk • contribs) 09:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Casipillai. As Wikipedia is licensed under GFDL, accounts must be maintained for attribution purposes. Your account therefore cannot be deleted by law per the text of the GFDL. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 09:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Your userpage has been deleted for you, though. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

"What links here" counter?

I'd like a method to quickly provide a count of backlinks from Special:Whatlinkshere. I found Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2007_February_28#Counter_for_.22What_links_here.22, but I'd prefer something entirely on-wiki. Any ideas?--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 10:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

wishes there was* I don't believe there is. I wasn't even aware of an off-wiki counter. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 11:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

can the evolution societal and cultural linked directly to th perception of the impairment associated to disability

can the evolution societal and cultural linked directly to th perception of the impairment associated to disability##### —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.88.59 (talk) 11:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Although, I should warn you that the Reference desk doesn't like questions that appear to be homework unless you show that you've attempted it first yourself. You're likely to be berated for typing that question in its current form. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It also helps to type a grammatical sentence. What you typed above seems to be merely a phrase ("Can the evolution ... do what?). If English is not your first language, you may want to ask on the help desk of the Wikipedia in your native language. It also helps if you state the course title, so people can further decode your garbling of the assignment question. You may be asking about Social stigma and Evolutionary psychology. And don't forget to search Wikipedia, and search the Web with your favorite search engine. --Teratornis (talk) 17:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Photo upload

I have an article and a user page but cant find the location to upload photos? Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lin14 (talk • contribs) 11:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Your account is old enough, and you have enough edits, so you should be autoconfirmed (confirm this by checking your preferences, where your user groups are listed). The upload interface is Special:Upload, and a link should appear in your toolbox on the left hand side. Alternatively, if it's a free image, it would be better to upload at Wikimedia Commons. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

How can I fix a typo in a title when a page move does not appear to have worked?

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The title for the Migration Museums page is misspelt as Migration usems. The same article appears on pages with the address http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Museums and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_useums

I've read through the FAQs page on moving an article but when I looked at the history of this page it seemed another user had already tried that. Am I missing something or is this harder than it first looks?

Many thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatter anon (talk • contribs)

Fixed - the article is now at Migration museums as the original page move intended (accidental typo, by the looks of things). Thanks for bringing this to attention. Bencherlite ^Talk 12:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the problem was fixed, as the "useums" article has been deleted. To answer your more general question, the right to move pages is only granted to users that have achieved "autoconfirmed" status. That status requires 4 days experience and 10 edits in your contribution history. If you are not able to move pages, that is probably why. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more info. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

...and if you come across a situation like that again, the page you need is WP:Requested moves. I've just moved the article again - it's now at Migration museum - the singular rather than the plural. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 13:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Green (Positive) and Red (Negetive) Number on 'my watchlist'

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Hi, I think this occurs for everyone but I don't know what it means. On 'my watchlist' next to each of my 'watched' articles and the recent changes, there is a number in brackets, the positive numbers are green, and the negative numbers are red, with varying highs and lows of numbers. what do these mean? Thank you very much. The Pharmacist (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It means the number of bites added or removed by the most recent edit. (I learned that here, Go Help Desk!) Grsz ^X 13:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you mean bytes instead of bites. Although, if articles were cookies, editing would be a lot more delicious. :P TN‑X-Man 14:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

When a question appears on the Help desk, it's instructive to ask: why did the editor need to ask this question? In other words, why wasn't the answer obvious from the design of Wikipedia? When we browse to my watchlist, the following (perhaps too-)subtle hint appears:

You have 97 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages).

The word "watchlist" is a link to Help:Watching pages. It's easy to overlook because of the rest of the commotion on the page. However, remarkably, Help:Watching pages doesn't seem to explain the meaning of the red and green numbers (the page does not even contain the word "green"). For that you would have to read Help:Recent changes (which Help:Watching pages does link to, but from well into the page). The answer to this question is find-able from the page that raises the question, but finding the answer takes some work. One might argue that every editor is going to have to spend some time reading the friendly manuals, because Wikipedia is a do it yourself system, but from an ergonomic standpoint it would be nice if Wikipedia had some sort of "What's this?" popup-balloon help. Then when you see a feature that raises a question in your mind, you could right-click on it and one option in the context menu would be "What's this?", which would display a balloon briefly defining the feature, and linking to the manual page with more details. It might be possible to implement something like that with a Web browser extension. The current option is to expect every user to read the friendly manuals. --Teratornis (talk) 17:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I never used the word "friendly" in that acronym. Hmmm... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

RTFM ~~lists~~ should list it as one of the possible expansions. I like to use the word "friendly" in a sort of you-know-what-we-really-mean in-joke kind of way. Wikipedia is, after all, one of the world's largest in-jokes. --Teratornis (talk) 19:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much everyone! The Pharmacist (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Music genres

what happend to the genres on the music pages such as Slipknot and Lamb Of God? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellop115 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Should a genre be listed or is the one listed incorrect? TN‑X-Man 14:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

well i mean the genres that used to be listed under the backbround information boxes aren't there anymore.Hellop115 (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I haven't read it, but you might like to look at Template talk:Infobox Musical artist#Genre field. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)The genre parameter has been deleted from the {{Infobox musical artist}} infobox template because it was causing endless edit wars. Short discussion at the WP:VPT#An odd infobox problem with link to larger discussion. – ukexpat (talk) 15:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

oh ok i was just wondering thanksHellop115 (talk) 01:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Hidden

Can the template itself be centred if its width is less than 100%? By default it sticks to the left and float: center; doesn't seem to work. -- Menti sock 14:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, but I don't think so. It looks like the main div can't be changed. Might be wrong, but I think you'd need to make it more like this. Notice the {{{divcss|}}}.

<div class="NavFrame" style="border:none;{{{divcss|}}}">
 <div class="NavHead" style="font-weight:{{{fw1|bold}}}; background-color:{{{bg1|transparent}}};
                             text-align:{{{ta1|center}}}; {{{headercss|}}}">
  {{{header|{{{1}}}}}}
 </div>

 <div class="NavContent" style="font-weight:{{{fw2|normal}}}; background-color:{{{bg2|transparent}}};
                                text-align:{{{ta2|left}}}; display:none; {{{contentcss|}}}">
   {{{content|{{{2}}}}}}
 </div>
</div>

So then something like this would do what you want:

{{hidden2
| divcss = margin-right:auto;margin-left:auto; width: 50%;
| headercss = background: #ccccff; font-size: 110%;
| contentcss = text-align: center; font-size: 110%;
| header = Title text here
| content = Body text line 1<br/>Body text line 2<br/>Body text line 3
}}

Louis Waweru Talk 16:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

"center" is not a valid value for "float", so it won't work. The standard way of using CSS to center a box is to create a container div with text-align (for Internet Explorer), and center the content div with auto margins, as follows:

<div style="text-align:center">
    <div style="width: 50%; margin: 0 auto">
        Content
    </div>
</div>

Now, since I'm not yet versed in Wikispeak, could someone translate the above construct into Wiki markup? MaxVT (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

can someone do a wikipedia article on me and my music company

the menace is my name lil massive records inc. is my company — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanzzzzzzz (talk • contribs)

Do you mind providing some mentions of your company in reliable sources so that we can verify your notability? Please also see Wikipedia:Your first article. GlassCobra 19:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you think your company is notable enough, you can always request it at the Article request page. Instructions for how to do that ae on the page. StephenBuxton (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:FAQ/Business is also a good resource to look at. 70.91.31.162 (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

How to remove history data

I had problems uploading an image, it looked that the problem was with the jpg file, I tried with a different image, that has nothing to do with the subject, and now my problem is how to remove it from the history data of the image? Please advise --M00seo00o (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you wish to have your test image deleted, you can tag it for deletion by an administrator. The syntax for self-requests is: {{db-G7}}. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

when you tag for deletion, the box is shown for approx 5 days if nobody rejects, is that correct? But only it is going to be deleted why i requested, my concern is because I mistype the syntax {{db-G7}}for {{db-G7}}. Is there going to be any problem, is the entire article going to be deleted? could you help me, please

Well, no - if you tag something for speedy deletion under g7, then it's pretty much instantaneous (as long as you are the sole author, then an administrator will delete the image as soon as they get to it in the list of currently flagged speedy deletion candidates). Prod is the slightly slower method of deletion whereby you propose something for deletion, and if no-one's disputed it for a week then it can be deleted. Let me just see if I can track down which image it is you wanted deleted. _Gb^T/c 20:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm presuming that it's one or more instances of Image:Subregionsmap.jpg that you're wanting to delete? Which versions are you aiming to remove? _Gb^T/c 20:52, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I just want to keep the last version...the rest versions can be removed.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by M00seo00o (talk • contribs) 21:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

There is no compelling reason to delete earlier reversions, as only the image most recently added will be visible in the article. Just like with article text. Unless there is a good reason to remove the edits entirly from the history (like they reveal personal information) then I see no real reason to remove them... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 23:58, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

What order do results from a prefix query come in?

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It almost looks like alphabetical order, but in [this query], Leopold I of Belgium comes after Leopold II of Belgium for example. --Rogerb67 (talk) 21:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

On the presumption that the "II" in Leopold II is two "i"s, then isn't that alphabetical order? Wouldn't leopoldiio come before leopoldio? _Gb^T/c 21:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be sorted by ASCII value (I don't know about non-ASCII characters). Part of the ASCII order is space, 0-9, A-Z, _ (underscore character), a-z. The question is how a space is treated. Spaces are not ignored as Gb's reply seems to assume. A space has lower ASCII value than other characters so it usually comes first in computer sorting, but in Wikipedia there is a special correspondence between spaces and underscores _ in page names. I guess a space is sorted like an underscore (this seems unfortunate to me). In [2] space is sorted between 'S' and 's'. This is consistent with space being treated like underscore and sorted by ASCII. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I like it! Thanks for the clear explanation. Space being sorted between Z and a seems to explain it. Regarding non-ASCII characters, it probably sorts in binary order - this is generally fastest. Thus the order will depend on the storage scheme chosen, presumably some UTF scheme. --Rogerb67 (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Moving article/list

Could an admin please move List of film noir to List of films noirs? Please see discussion attempt without any contradictions, counter proposals etc. for two weeks. Thanks, Ibn Battuta (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

A move of that page shouldn't require an admin but you might try a procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves to get more input first. Your section is not actually formulated like a move suggestion. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually I just checked the history of the target article and it has more than one revison, so it will have to be taken to Wikipedia:Requested moves... maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject should check the article to make sure that this wasn't the result of a cut&paste move... NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 22:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You are right, and [3][4] is a cut and paste move. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Question/Comment?

Something I have noticed lately is that the images in the IMAGE: namespace now have thumbnails of the images and pages that are deleted are now readily apparent when viewing the page... anyway, I was wondering when this was done? As from what I can see this was a BRILLIANT idea (it becomes easy to see and compare old versions of an image, and deletion is not obscure as it used to be. NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 21:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

That feature is useful on an image that had many updates, such as Image:2008 09L 5-day track.gif which appeared in Hurricane Ike. MediaWiki#Release history has this item listed for version 1.14:

File upload history pages now display thumbnails for every file version

You could direct your thanks to Brion Vibber, I suppose. Or just throw money. --Teratornis (talk) 03:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

attention plz

KINDLY DO REMOVE THE PICTURE OF OUR HOLLY PROPHEHT MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H)FROM THIS PAGE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone I SHEL BE THANKSFUL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.71.4.234 (talk) 22:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not censor itself for the benefit of any group. Louis Waweru Talk 22:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

If you would like to hide the picture on your browser, see How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?. —teb728 t c 23:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, for some reason I never though Muslims celebrated Christmas, or did Muhammad advocate other uses of holly than to celebrate Yuletide? --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 00:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

October 11

Munster Rugby - protected templete deletion?

Munster Rugby Section 8.2 on this page has a templete slated for deletion on it, which is fair, but it has become partof that section's title and it is warping the size of the contents box at the top. Preferably, I'd just like the tag to be place where it wouldn't interfere with the contents box. I can find how to fix this, so I'd appreciate any help! Syferus (talk) 13:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I have temporarily removed the {{BILru}} template which was causing the problem, pending the outcome of the TFD discussion. On a side note, use of those templates in headings appears to violate WP:MOS as it puts a link in a section heading. – ukexpat (talk) 14:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Syferus (talk) 16:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sources in infoboxes

Is there a better (more appealing?) way of citing sources in an infobox? See Jayde Nicole for what I'm talking about. I don't like the look of all the [1]s all over the infobox. Any ideas? Dismas|^(talk) 00:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me an excuse to look at Jayde Nicole. :-) Usually I would agree with putting footnotes behind each stat. For example, for ethnic groups, you might have several different population figures (one for each of several geographic areas), and each figure might be drawn from a different source. In Jade's case, however, all info comes from the same source. If this situation is a common one for Playmates, and I expect that it is, then there may be a more elegant answer, such as finding or creating a single location for the ref, if and only if all the refs are the same source. I suggest that you take it to Template talk:Infobox Playboy Playmate and discuss the idea... Let me know if yo have further questions.. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

They do all come from the same source rather often, the Playmate Data Sheet on the back of the fold out centerfold. And thanks, I'll take it up at the talk page of the template. Dismas|^(talk) 03:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Content box

How do you make the content box appear on talk pages that don't have them? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

What content box? Do you mean {{notaforum}}? Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The contents box appears automatically once there are 3 or more things to list in it. Astronaut (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

OH, the table of contents! You can also force it to appear by using __TOC__. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

But you actually have to add it to the page. I don't think there's a way to make the table of contents always appear just for you. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) The question didn't say anything about making it appear just for you. I can't imagine any reason why doing it just for myself would be useful, though it may be kinda fun. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 03:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

One could, for some reason or another, want the table of contents to always display (when there are only 1 or 2 sections). Since the default for everyone is 3, a way to lower that for oneself isn't that crazy (there are some even more trivial things you can change in Special:Preferences). It is, however, a bit useless, as you said. Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 03:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

_TOC_ did not work. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You need two underscores on each side :) Calvin 1998 ^(t·c) 04:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. :) --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 04:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

electricity produced using nuclear fuel

which country is the leading producer of electricity using nuclear fuel? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.162.230.26 (talk) 06:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

See Nuclear power by country. --Teratornis (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

But we don't do your homework for you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, around the middle of 2008, the United States became the leading producer of electricity from wind, nudging Germany into second place, but China is growing its wind power on a percentage basis faster than anyone else, more than doubling its installed capacity each year since 2005, and should sieze the lead sometime after 2010. --Teratornis (talk) 19:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

New page patrol backlog (patrolled edits)

The backlog for the patrol log is very large, articles are falling off the list one after the other without being marked. Is there something wrong here? Does this need more patrollers? Clark89 (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

No, it's normal actually. There are a lot of articles being created, and it is simply not possible to patrol each and every one of them. But they will eventually be noticed, and any problems with them will be dealt with later. (When they are being assessed by their related Wikiprojects, for example). A new article won't go unnoticed forever. Chamal ^Talk ± 07:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Will these articles be marked in the patrol log? Clark89 (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:AWB

Is there a way for me to scoop up a tutor who can tell me how to use this tool? Kittybrewster ☎ 12:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure, ping my talk any time you have questions. I'm sure there's also a help forum... Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

There is an AWB IRC channel at irc.freenode.net — #AutoWikiBrowser. Cheers. Chamal ^Talk ± 12:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

No comment. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Huh? did I say something wrong? ;) Chamal ^Talk ± 12:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent). No it isn't your fault. IRC evokes strong feelings, both positive and negative. Forget it. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 12:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I wish to plagiarize work from Wikipedia to put on my college essay. Will you be angry/sue me if I do so? --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

This would be a fantastically bad idea. Besides being against the law (Wikipedia's reuse liscence, GFDL, requires attribution) it will likely not go well for you. I understand that many students believe that that are far smarter than their teachers, and will get away with such actions. Speaking as a teacher myself, you won't. Plagarism of this sort is fantastically easy to spot. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

What if I copy it, then add a few spelling mistakes, and alter a few words? Would that be ok? --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you just take the necessary information from whatever article you need, and then present it in your own words? You don't have to act stupid with spelling mistakes then. Chamal ^Talk ± 13:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Me no stupid --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I think Me is making Big Joke for Benefit Wikipedia help desk Persons... If you're joking, then that's pretty funny. :-) If you're serious, then the answer is a strong, loud and clear "No, that is Not OK." Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 13:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I like turtles --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok I will stop trolling, wow that blew about 20 mins. Cya --ProductosLatvia (talk) 13:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Imagine how much better the world would be if evolution had wired the human brain to get pleasure by doing things that are constructive. Actually, a few human brains are wired that way, hence we have Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 18:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Music Genres in the Background Information

I have noticed that the "Genre(s)" section at the background information of music bands pages at the webstite disappeared. That section was very useful to me and, I suppose, to other users.

What is the reason of this disappearance?

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.1.47.30 (talk) 15:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

'Genre' was earlier available as a field in the Infobox used for articles on music artists and bands. That field has been removed from Template:Infobox Musical artist per consensus reached through the discussion here. Chamal ^talk _work 15:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Started articles?

I'm drawing a blank right now; what's the best way to see a list of all the articles I've started? Special:NewPages only goes back a month. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are logged in, click the "my contributions" link at the top of the page or go to Special:Contributions/HelloAnnyong. – ukexpat (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

~~I was hoping for a cleaner solution than "go through all 9000+ of my edits." :/~~ Just saw the "Articles created" link at the bottom. toolserver.org seems to be dragging a bit, but it worked. Thanks. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Help Desk/Preview before post

JustbeBPMF (talk) 17:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep...? What's up? _Gb^T/c 17:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If your post here is related the deletion discussion of the page linked in your title, you are welcome to comment in that discussion. Just click here to do so.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Williams,alex gar-field football player

this offensive and defensive lineman should be looked at very closely, with his size and speed and a little help he can be one of the best on both sides of the ball with his versatility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Footballfan21 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The top of this page has some instructions which briefly explain what this page is for, and unfortunately they aren't always looked at very closely. Also note that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; on Wikipedia, when we write about people, we focus more on what they have done than on what they might do in the future. Speculating on the future of American football players is particularly dicey, as each player is always one play away from a career-ending injury. See for example Ki-Jana Carter, who entered the National Football League with great potential, but suffered a devastating injury in his first pre-season game, and never fully recovered. --Teratornis (talk) 19:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

change of email

i have lost my password and my email due to change of my isp. now i cant get the reset password to email me my new password. please help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.125.48 (talk) 18:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I may be able to help, but I am a little confused at your second sentence. Maybe you can contact me at my User talk and rephrase that part. --Archeopteryx (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Bug another

Hey. There is a user, user:archeopteryx I want to destroy because i am a vandal. How can this be done? contact me on talk page--Archeopteryx's worst enemy (talk) 18:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Destroying someone is very difficult over the Internet, but I hear trolling can be effective... of course, you're already well-schooled in that, so I'm sure I won't need to give you any pointers. *bows to Fuhghettaboutit* Thank you for making the world a better place. --Alinnisawest,^{Dalek Empress} (extermination requests here) 01:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You're right about that :) Best question I've seen here so far. Chamal ^talk _work 03:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I dare say this is a good block. Master&Expert (Talk) 04:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

proofs in articles

OK, first off: I'm not sure if this is the right place for this; is there a better place to ask?

QUESTION: Wikipedia has loads and loads of good articles on mathematics, but many of them state results with no proof. I would like to see proofs of every assertion in every mathematical article. I would go further and say that wikipedia really must (eventually) include such proofs. And I'm happy to make a start in the areas that I know something about. But I'm not sure what the best way to do this would be. Consider Weierstrass elliptic function as an example. There are loads of good statements in there, none of which have a proof. Adding a proof to each statement in the article itself would make the article unreadable (not only would it be too long: also the reader would lose the thread). Perhaps including sub-pages along the lines of proof that the laurent series of the weierstrass elliptic function is indeed what we claim it to be or proof of assertion 75 in the page on Weierstrass elliptic functions would be better . . . but this can't be optimal either.

Shorter pages have their own problems. Consider example of a game with no value. This has one "interesting" result: that two certain quantities (game values) cannot possibly be equal (one is less than 1/3 and one is greater than 3/7). And the proof of this fact is rather long and boring and technical and unedifying. But I feel that the proof is notable and must eventually become part of wikipedia. But adding a link to proof that the example of a game without a value does in fact have no value is a bit lame.

How do the serried ranks of wiki editors suggest that we add proofs to each and every mathematical assertion in a page? Robinh 19:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The right place for this is WT:WPM. The current situation vis-a-vis proofs is summarized at WP:MSM#Proofs. There's some previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs. Algebraist 19:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

While I'm sure that WPM and WP:MSM denizens will have a more nuanced and detailed position than I, my off-the-cuff response would be to note that Wikipedia isn't intended to be a repository of primary source material. Where we make non-obvious statements of fact in our articles we should provide appropriate references and citations from reliable sources, but we don't need to include entire proofs. (For example, our article on Fermat's last theorem briefly discusses the techniques used to complete the proof, but includes the actual nuts and bolts only by reference to Wiles' and Taylor's published papers.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Other things to look at:

See WP:NOT#HOWTO, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, which might peripherally relate to adding the technical details of proofs for every mathematical assertion. (Later edit: I don't know whether these apply or not, but you should understand these guidelines before discussing the addition of proofs, because someone else might bring them up. Always be prepared.)
Examine some featured articles about mathematics. Featured articles represent the best content on Wikipedia. Thus the featured articles about mathematics illustrate the current consensus of Wikipedia editors as how to best write about math topics encyclopedically. If you know how to make those articles even better, perhaps you can shift the consensus, by discussing on WT:WPM.
Wikipedia makes lots of claims without necessarily supporting them with prose right next to the claims. For example, the article about the Sun gives the mass of the Sun, but doesn't detail all the work that goes into determining that value. Ultimately, however, Wikipedia might contain (if it doesn't already) articles that describe all the theoretical and experimental tools which allow scientists to confidently report the mass of the Sun. See WP:BUILD.

If you want to collaboratively edit anything that isn't suitable for Wikipedia (which is not to say proofs aren't - I have no idea), there are many other wikis. {{Google}} for some:

math wiki

That finds several results, including a Mathematics Wikia where the rules are presumably different than on Wikipedia. (No one is likely to start another wiki which works exactly the way Wikipedia does, because Wikipedia is already the 800 pound gorilla in that space, so when you see another wiki that has some content overlap with Wikipedia, it almost certainly will have different rules for content.) --Teratornis (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I didn't know about WP:MSM#Proofs; but I don't agree with it. Neither did I know about Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs (would it be better to continue discussion there?). But I'd not thought about proofs being primary source material (my thinking suggests that proofs are more likely to be criticized for being OR). But rephrasing and wikifying a proof that one sees in a classic textbook should be part of wikipedia, no? Robinh 19:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I quite like the mass of the Sun example. Why not create a page History of estimation of the mass of the Sun then (I am not offering to do this! :-). But maths is different, I would say, in that proofs are the sine qua non of the subject. Robinh 19:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Almost certainly Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs would be the place to continue discussion on this topic. (And if they shoot you down there, look at Mathematics Wikia and other wikis.) This Help desk is very general and can only superficially address such technical issues. We merely point the way to the proper venues. As to documenting the history of mass estimation of the Sun, I haven't searched Wikipedia to see what Wikipedia already has on the subject. Presumably this would be a special case of calculating the mass of all astronomical bodies, and might be covered in Orbital mechanics or Astrophysics. The point is that Wikipedia has an enormous amount of existing content, and it continues to gain more content at a furious rate, so before suggesting any new addition, one should carefully look to see if the material is already in Wikipedia somewhere, and then link to it. Plus the consensus on Wikipedia continually evolves, so if you aren't satisfied with Wikipedia today, check back in a year. --Teratornis (talk) 19:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) Another option, and perhaps a really good one, is to include links to proofs where originally published, as footnotes via<ref> tags or as external links. The casual reader may not need to see the entire exhaustive proof, and may lack the knowledge to understand how it works, but ALL articles should strive to be referenced to quality outside sources. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Am I allowed to cut-and-paste the above discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Proofs? Robinh 19:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

As long as you attribute where it was cut and paste from. At the top of the pasted section, you could include a link to the dif of the version you pasted, and in the edit summary, say "Copied and pasted from discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk or some such should be sufficient for GFDL purposes. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 20:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I would estimate the probability of my doing this correctly at about

10^{-10^{10}}

. Any chance of you doing it for me? Robinh 20:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

(undent) You can just link to this discussion, and then summarize whatever points you want to draw from it. The Help desk archives its pages after several days, so the eventual location of this discussion will change. Currently, the link is:

Wikipedia:Help desk#proofs in articles

The permanent link to the revision right before I add this latest comment is:

permanent link

The archive link will eventually be (when the following link turns from red to blue):

Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2008 October 11#proofs in articles

The above discussion does not flow very well, and expecting a new crowd to slog through it would weaken your case. One idea would be to make a user subpage where you write whatever case you want to make, collecting whatever points you need from the above discussion and writing them in your own words. Then you can take that to the appropriate discussion page. Also be aware that some of our comments above (particularly mine) might appear uninformed to people who have been heavily involved in WikiProject Mathematics for some time. They might have already gone over some of these points and retired them. The more time you spend studying what they have already done, the more likely you are to frame your suggestions in reference to that existing material, and avoid being immediately dismissed as a newb. --Teratornis (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

October 12

article referencing as per GFDL

Just wanted to double check,

If an article is translated from en:wp into some foreign language wikipedia, do we have to cite the en:wp article as a source of reference as far as GFDL licensing is concerned? Isn't it redundant to do so, or are other language wikis not considered in-house? Thanks. --Zereshk (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

If you wanna be a stickler about things (and we should), then none of the Wikipedias (including en:wp) are reliable sources (by Wikipedia's own definition). We shouldn't be copy/pasting the, even after translation... The correct way to do this—and it is the difficult way as well, unfortunately— is to get all of the sources used by the other Wikipedia, double-check the accuracy of the cites reflected in the foreign language Wikipedia, and then cite the same sources in the en:wp. If you don't double-check everything you could be propagating "sneaky vandalism" from one Wikipedia to another. I am familiar with a case in which anti-US propaganda was inserted into an article on a foreign Wikipedia in a manner that made it look as though it was coming from a legitimate source.. but the article's text was precisely the opposite of what the cited source stated. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 00:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

When copying content from one Wikipedia page to another, whether or not it is between different language editions, the source page should be mentioned somewhere (for example in the edit summary) to satisfy the GFDL. See Category:Wikipedia translation templates for additional ways to specify the source when a page from another language is translated to English. I imagine many Wikipedia language editions have similar templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Template column spacing

Why are the columns at {{USStateChiefJustices}} squeezing together?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks OK to me. Maybe something to do with your browser? Chamal ^talk _work 03:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability requirements for restaurants?

I was browsing through "Category:Restaurant stubs" and it does seem that there is no consistent rule for what constitutes having enough notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. For example is the oldest Indian takeout in Glasgow Scotland notable enough? Is a restaurant notable because they have a Michelin-starred chef on staff? Seems to me this could use some cleanup, but I'm wary of jumping because the notability guidelines are not clear (as well as my own limited editing time). --Kickstart70-T-C 03:25, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I would say restaurants fall under the same guidelines as businesses, namely WP:CORP, specifically the header for commercial organizations. Does the article cite reliable sources? That's always the surest bet to establish notability. Cheers! TN‑X-Man 03:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

email received

Receieved a email from Admin at the Vietnam wikipedia, but never joined Vietnam Wikipedia. As i cant read it am unsure what it says. How can i find out why admin at the Vietnam wikipedia would wish to contact me ? Boylo (talk) 03:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I recieved a bundle of these type of 'welcome' emails after enabling the Single user login function. It may have been due to this, with random language wiki's 'welcoming' you by script as your username was registerd on all wikimedia wiki's. Nanonic (talk) 04:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the reply, thats probably it then, as enabled single user log in a few days ago. Boylo (talk) 04:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Person Data

Where does the Person Data stuff that is hidden at the bottom of biographical articles show up? I see links in there all the time but if it doesn't show up in the article, what's the point of linking terms within it? Dismas|^(talk) 03:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Persondata may give you some insights. Nanonic (talk) 04:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism

Hi, my name on-wiki is Master and Expert. I am an infrequent contributor to Wikipedia, but intend to do more over time. Recently I tried to get into anti-vandalism, countering the humour of the vandals by reverting them. However, I find I am much too slow to get to the vandalism - by then somebody with huggle manages to revert it in no time at all. I was then interested in using this tool myself. But one of the requirements for huggle is to have something called rollback permissions, which is given to experienced vandalfighters. I didn't bother to request for it - I am not experienced enough to be a rollbacker. Yet, I don't know how I can contribute to this area of Wikipedia without using Huggle, because I can never seem to get to the vandalism in time. What alternative methods are available? Master&Expert (Talk) 04:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

See the list of tools at WP:CVU. I'd say Twinkle is the most used and most effective tool after huggle. Before you ask for rollback, it's best to edit some more and get familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 04:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. But I actually already looked at Twinkle. I don't use Firefox, but rather IE. Plus, it'd still likely be slower than Huggle. But I'll give it a shot, thank you. :) Master&Expert (Talk) 04:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I usually look at Special:RecentChanges for edits done by IP addresses. I'd say that in my experience about 1/3rd of them are vandalism and I pretty much always get there ahead of automated tools. --Kickstart70-T-C 05:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

New Page

Where do you go to create a whole new page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by King Cobb (talk • contribs) 06:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Please see Your first article.

Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article
Find references
Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
Click 'Create this page'
Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones

Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 07:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

How do I put a picture of the topic on its pagePresidentgeek95 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC).

Basically, what you have to do is type [[Image:Example.jpg]], where Example.jpg is the name of the image. But you will probably need to change it's size, and provide a caption etc. Wikipedia:Images will give you more details. Cheers. Chamal ^talk _work 09:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Collapsing on tables (colour of "[hide] / [show]")

Resolved

Just wondering if there is any way to force the hide/show tag on collapsible tables to a certain colour. Like, for instance white on this article section (for the "2008 NHL Entry Draft (WHL) Picks table"). Thanks in advance. Much appreciated. — Hucz (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Changing the font color might work (I'll experiment after posting this). Having said that, and speaking solely for myself, I don't recommend it. I'd like to see templates have a fairly standardized set of color schemes. More importantly, light-colored text on a dark background gives me headaches (though a single word, as in this case, probably wouldn't do so). I'll go experiment now... Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you'd have to fool with the template itself, assuming it's even possible. This becomes even less and less advisable, from my point of view. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

It's not even a template, it's a class. I'd have to spend several minutes looking into whether there's an easy answer to this question... but I'm thinking you need to accept the link color as it is. Perhaps others have more info. Ling.Nut ^{(talk—WP:3IAR)} 08:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

First off, thanks for all the help. You're awesome! I noticed that on navboxes, you can change the colour of hide/show when you change the title bar color (they both get changed). Like the template Template:British Columbia Sports. Maybe this is helpful for you? Anyways, thanks for the time and effort you put into this. — Hucz (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Figured it out. style="color: inherit". Thanks for the help. — Hucz (talk) 09:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Texture Filtering

Hello,

Ive noticed that you dont have an example picture at the "Texture Filtering" page and i dont know how to edit pages on Wiki, so please, type in google pictures "i'll add texture filtering" and add that picture as an example to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.199.33 (talk) 08:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello anon, and thank you for your kind offer of a picture. :) If the image is a free image, it can be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, the central free media depository of the Wikimedia Foundation. Unlike the English Wikipedia, the Commons only requires that you create an account, whereas here, you must be autoconfirmed (an automatic status gained after 4 days and 10 edits). Best wishes, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Combining categories

Is there any way to combine two categories to view pages that are common to both categories? Like if I wanted to see which articles are in Category:High-importance cricket articles and Category:Stub-Class cricket articles both? 202.124.189.103 (talk) 12:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

See http://toolserver.org/~dschwen/intersection/ PrimeHunter (talk) 13:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

No idea how to create my page

I tried using html, and I read all of the other wikipedia info and I'm seriously confused. Can someone fix my page up? I spent some time on it and I really don't want it deleted. The article is "Fight The Scene." It's a big mess right now. For the band image, I want to upload this picture - http://g.virbcdn.com/cdnImages/resize_510x1500/Image-140445-1051213-DSC01631.jpg . Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrie182 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

~~wow -~~ i could theoretically fix some of that for you, but it's more useful if you learn how to do that yourself. i really recommend getting acquainted with wiki editing principles - for example by studying the WP:Tutorial and/or by trying your hand at small edits of pre-existing articles first. since you've worked on that page some, maybe you can transplant it to your own user space to work on at leisure, learn wiki mark-up and so on.

you may also need to get better acquainted with wikipedia's notability criteria.

meanwhile, wikilinks are created by putting double square brackets around words/phrases - [[Fight The Scene]], for example, ends up looking/working like this: Fight The Scene. and you should "sign" your posts on places like this "help page" by putting four tildes - like this: ~~~~ - at the end. Sssoul (talk) 16:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I reformatted the page but it will not stick in its present state. It currently has a proposed deletion template on it which anyone can remove including you, but it's also currently subject to speedy deletion as an article on a band which fails to give any indication of importance (section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion). In that regard, if the band is unsigned as the article says, and is not already know in the wider world—not written about in reliable sources—then it should not have an article on Wikipedia. Can you add some information on the band's importance to the page?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

When the first reply starts with "wow," that's usually not good. Also read WP:WWMPD, and WP:COI since your username suggests you are personally involved with the article's subject. In particular, see WP:WWMPD#If all else fails, try another wiki. There are lots of other wikis, and some specialize in music, without Wikipedia's bothersome notability requirements. Find some with {{Google}}:

music wiki

For example, check out Fuse, Music Wiki & Forum, etc. --Teratornis (talk) 18:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

wow duly stricken - it was past its best-by date anyway 8) Sssoul (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Dubious sources

Is it proper to cite sources that require registration to view content on the site? —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 18:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

My initial response would be no, but you should present a more indepth question to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. — Realist² 18:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

off the top of my head, i reckon it depends. a lot of very reputable newspapers have online versions that require registration, and although i don't know what wiki policy is on using sites like that as references, the registration requirement in itself wouldn't make them "dubious sources". less than optimally useful as links, yes, but not dubious as sources. Sssoul (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

(ec x 2)As long as the information you are citing is not controversial it should not be a problem, it is basically the same as citing an offline source such as a book, which is permissible. When citing such a source you should cite it as if it was an offline source though, using proper citation style, not just a link.Icewedge (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

We are allowed to cite books which require spending money to view them (if we ignore libraries which lend out books). I don't see how a registration requirement (by itself) is any more relevant to judging the reliability of a source than the fact that books also present the reader with some inconvenience. It would be nice if the whole world would adopt the GFDL but we're not there yet. However, if the material you are citing is about some fairly recent notable event, often there are multiple online sources you can cite. In that case it pays to search for sources that are convenient for the reader. See WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, and WP:CITET for instructions on how to make featured-quality citations. --Teratornis (talk) 19:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Just for the curious, I asked this question because I was unsure about articles citing the NY times website, which appears to require registration to access some features. I couldn't view a certain source because I wasn't registered with the site, so I was wondering if even highly-regarded newspapers such as the New York Times can be cited if not everyone has access. Best, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC).

Can't find my article

Hi

i wrote an article (on a poet called Peter Blum).

i can see it on my User Page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klipfontein.

But i can't find it when using the Wikipedia Search function.

How do I get my article listed?

Thanks Klipfontein (talk) 18:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Your article is currently in your userspace. To publish it it needs to be in the mainspace. As I see you have been here long enough that the software will let you move pages, click the tab at the top of your userpage that says move and then enter the new title as the guys name. Icewedge (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

meaning of names

hello. I am looking for the meaning of one particular name. When I searched a lot of names came up and there was no place for me to put one name.thank you 76.180.114.13 (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? If we knew exactly what information you were looking for (which name?!?) we could point you in the right direction! --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

If you can't find information about this specific name here on Wikipedia, you could also try Behind The Name, which has nearly every name under the sun and its origins/meaning. Otherwise, you could just tell us the name, and we could try to locate it for you. Cheers, —Mizu onna sango15^Hello! 21:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC).

Can't see article text when editing...

thanks, Icewedge, for previous help.

The article is now in the main space (why don't the instructions say to do that? i searched EVERYWHERE. weird..)

Anyhoo- when you visit my article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Blum), the text appears twice.

When I click edit to remove the text, I can't see any of the text in the edit window.

How do I then delete the erroneous text?

Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Klipfontein (talk • contribs) 19:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

i don't know why you couldn't see the text after clicking the "edit this page" tab at the top. i could see it just fine, so i eliminated the duplicate part. i hope it looks okay to you now. Sssoul (talk) 19:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Random question

i am taking up my nls exam i want u guys to please mail me relevent general knowledge question to (email address removed) .can u please do thi one favour for me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.192.192.231 (talk) 19:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Erm, no, sorry. This page is for questions about using Wikipedia - do you have one? I have removed your email address from your post as this page is highly visible on the internet. _Gb^T/c 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Red Warning label

Hi. How can I produce a message/label at the top of my talk page in bold red font? Also, since Archeopteryx is a secondaccount name, would you recommend posting text from my old talk page to my new one as well? Contact me at my talk page, thanks.--Archeopteryx (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Melvin Mora

The history and content of Talk:Melvin Mora appear to have been reverted to a version from about a year ago--at least, I remember adding something a few months ago, and it's not there (okay, it is now, I just put it back). Is there any way to tell what happened, or fix it, or do we need to live with it as it is? Ma^t_chups 21:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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