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Category:MLFA teams

Rename to Category:Minor League Football Association teams, just expanding. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 23:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:MLFA venues

Merge into Category:Minor League Football Association venues, just expanding. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 23:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Republic of Singapore Air Force airbases

All articles moved to Category:Camps and bases of the Singapore Armed Forces. There is no point having so many small categories. --Rifleman 82 21:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)}}[reply]

Category:Art Galleries in Sheffield

Merge into Category:Art museums and galleries in Sheffield, convention of Category:Art museums and galleries in England. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 21:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NBC Irish-Americans

Why Delete? How can I have a point of view about somebody's ethnicity? They either are or are not. If they are not Irish feel free to delete them from the list. But don't delete the whole category. There are lists of Jewish people in the media. Why not Irish? It is not my point of view. They are not a "race" rather a heritage. It might be interesting to people of Irish heritage how many Irish Americans worked at NBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackiedoyle (talk • contribs)
- The people may be Irish-American and they may work for NBC, but it is POV-pushing to have a category solely about them and not other ethnicities. Even a category about Jewish people who work in the media industry is POV-pushing. Since it is a company we are talking about, companies in the U.S. are not allowed to discriminate by race or ethnicity, and this category name implies that. Tinlinkin 19:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't understand your premise. Is there such a thing as POV-pushing? This category is not based on opinion, nor is it predicated upon a "point of view." It is simply a list of historical fact. Moreover, I'd be happy to make individual lists for each ethnicity at every single news agency in the world if, for nothing else, than to void your less-than-credible charge that I am pushing a point of view rather than promoting an interesting fact of which many Irish-Americans would be quite proud to learn about. Wikipedia has lists of African American musicians and Italian entertainers and English whatevers all over the place (Those were just examples and not actual categories but similiar ones are all over Wikipedia). Many people have found these lists interesting and enlightening. I was just contributing a new one and certainly didn't intead tp push an agenda or leave anybody out.
Delete, this is just a weird combination. --musicpvm 00:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's the "NBC" part that is rather silly. Now are we to have lists for every network combined with ethnicity? "FOX Jewish Americans", "CBS Welsh Americans", "HBO African-Americans". I think not. MrBlondNYC 01:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pink albums to Category:P!nk albums

-this singer's stage name is spelled "P!nk", not "Pink". See P!nk. Extraordinary Machine 13:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy. Vegaswikian 18:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object to Speedy Renaming, needs further discussion as to the naming convention, cat not tagged either. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. I can see no grounds on which discussion is needed and the general link given by Xaosflux does not enlighten me as to way he thinks it is.Piccadilly 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I agree with Xaosflux. Using an exclamation mark like that is not standard spelling; and it is truly quite common to see her referred to as "Pink". Discussion is necessary. LordAmeth 08:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the category names should be consistent with the name of the article. Currently the article is at P!nk, but maybe that should be renamed. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Album_titles_and_band_names states "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art, though a redirect may be appropriate (for example, KoЯn redirects to Korn (band))." According to that, the article should probably be moved to "Pink (singer)" (with no excalamation mark). But if the article is not moved, this category should be renamed. --musicpvm 00:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gay Conservatives to Category:Gay conservatives

ProveIt ^(talk) 01:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy. Vegaswikian 18:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and delete as vague and often irrelevant POV-pushing category. Piccadilly 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ... or at least rename to Category:Gay conservatives. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 19:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as POV. Who decides if somebody is "conservative" or not? --musicpvm 00:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename but not to the proposed rename. Instead rename to Category:LGBT members of Conservative Parties--T. Anthony 02:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, undefined, combination of words. Pavel Vozenilek 02:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chancellor of the University of Durham to Category:Chancellors of the University of Durham

Piccadilly 23:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from speedy. Vegaswikian 18:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object I agree with the pluralisation, but it should be Category:Chancellors of Durham University in line with the article on the institution (Durham University not University of Durham). Timrollpickering 00:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- The article states clearly that "University of Durham" is the official and legal name and the parent category is Category:University of Durham. It seems to me that it is the article that should be moved (after all "Oxford University" is used far more than "University of Oxford", but the article is at the latter because that is the official name). As this is an specific official position we should use the official terms. Piccadilly 01:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Virtually all articles on UK universities and higher education institutions are located at the current name the institution uses rather than the "official and legal" name in the statutes. In the case you cite, Oxford uses "University of Oxford" so that isn't comparable. The comparable cases are, for instance, Imperial College London (not "Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine"), Lancaster University (not "University of Lancaster") and Queen Mary, University of London, (not "Queen Mary and Westfield College" with or without "University of London"). And a renaming of Category:University of Durham to Category:Durham University and all the related categories is currently being proposed. Timrollpickering 01:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Superliga footballers

Rename to Category:Portuguese Liga footballers, to match Portuguese Liga, see also Superliga. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 18:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Current Stampede Wrestling roster

Category:Stampede Wrestling alumni

Merge into Category:Stampede Wrestling roster, due to current/former conventions. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 17:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:'Sama Samaja' Parties

Rename to Category:Trotskyist organisations of Sri Lanka, broaden what is currently a very limited category to produce one in line with those for Trotskyist organisations in other countries. Note that these parties have no more in common with each other than they do with other Trotskyist parties in the country. Warofdreams talk 16:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ship disasters

Merge into Category:Maritime incidents, duplicate. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 15:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Dr. Seuss actors

Delete, as not a defining characteristic. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 15:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University of Abertay

Rename for consistency with the main article at University of Abertay Dundee. Timrollpickering 15:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - per nom -- Henriok 15:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:FIM and AMA Motocross Champions

Delete, as premature, should be kept as a list for now. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 15:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:University of Reading alumni

Category:University of Reading alumni to Category:Alumni of the University of Reading

Rename, the other University of Reading categories are in this form, e.g. Category:People associated with the University of Reading. Timrollpickering 15:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - per nom -- Henriok 15:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there are currently 269 "University by alumni" categories. of these, 261 use the form "X alumni" - only eight use the form "Alumni of..." It is those eight which should be changed - not the remaining 261. Grutness...wha? 03:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Keele University academics

Category:Keele University academics to Category:Academics of Keele University

Rename, the other Keele University categories use the latter format, e.g. Category:People associated with Keele University. Timrollpickering 15:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Renameper nom. Although these cat renames do seem a lot of work for Timrollpickering for little gain! - mholland 19:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Catholic Comedians

Delete, or at least Rename to Category:Catholic comedians. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 15:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename - The explenation given at Category:Catholic Comedians is sound. -- Henriok 15:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Catholic artists category has been deleted just in June and in 2005, painters here, actors here here and I remember more of such decisions. Now, a devout painter working the whole life on religiuos topics may deserve category but I am less sure whether the same goes for comedians. Pavel Vozenilek 17:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those were unfortunate errors. (I think May was in the period when I was sick of this place) Category:Roman Catholic entertainers is pretty large so it kind of needs subcats. That said I tried to put a note to make it clear that the names have notability related to the intersection. If you feel names are there inappropriately remove them. That said I support the Rename to Category:Catholic comedians or alternately Category:Roman Catholic comedians--T. Anthony 02:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The problem here, IMHO, is that criteria for this kind of categories are ill-defined, hard to impossible to verify and non-defining or irrelevant for most of those included. Picking semi-randomly the famous Sophia Loren: she had problems with the Church due her divorce (threats of excommunication, needed to emigrate) [1]. This is the only mention of Catholic church on her official website.

The current state is that uninformed but very stubborn people insert simply anyone who just may have relation to this or that category turning these into garbage dumps. (Once I was not able to convince someone that Václav Havel is not Roman Catholic politician in whatever sense. He now got cornered among "Deist thinkers" - neither word fits.)

The categories should have ability to store and show a context that would allow to verify inclusion of articles. Pavel Vozenilek 03:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alumni of Cambridge University

Category:Alumni of Cambridge University to Category:Alumni of the University of Cambridge

Rename, the main article is at University of Cambridge and other categories use this form, e.g. Category:People associated with the University of Cambridge. Timrollpickering 14:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Fys. Ta fys aym. 14:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename. Stephen Turner (Talk) 15:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Ian Cairns 16:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. I created Category:People associated with the University of Cambridge, and was probably going to get round to suggesting a rename of this category at some point. Bluap 22:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:University of Cambridge alumni. This is one of a very small minority of Univesity alumni categories to use "Alumni of" (8 of 269 categories), and should be renamed for consistency with the others. Grutness...wha? 03:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:University of York alumni

Category:University of York alumni to Category:Alumni of the University of York

Rename, other University of York categories are in this format e.g. Category:People associated with the University of York and Category:Academics of the University of York. Timrollpickering 14:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there are currently 269 "University by alumni" categories. Of these, 261 use the form "X alumni" - only eight use the form "Alumni of..." It is those eight which should be changed - not the remaining 261. Grutness...wha? 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fake News anchors

Delete or Rename to Category:Fake news anchors. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 14:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename - Important to make distinction between fake and real news sources. -- Henriok 15:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To imply that the individuals listed are not using real news sources is not correct. In most cases they are using humor to present the news. They look at the events and find the humor in how people present and make the news. They are not fake. They just take a non-traditional approach to presenting the news. Vegaswikian 19:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Manchester University people

Category:Manchester University people to Category:People associated with the University of Manchester

Rename, the main article is at University of Manchester and the top level category is Category:University of Manchester; "People associated with..." is the common format in Category:People by university in England. Timrollpickering 14:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:UCL academics

Category:UCL academics to Category:University College London academics

Rename, the main article is at University College London and nearly all the other UCL categories use the full name not the acronym. Timrollpickering 14:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:US Trotskyist and splinter organisations

Category:US Trotskyist and splinter organisations to Category:Trotskyist organizations of the United States

Rename, Standard format and U.S. spelling; also to remove "splinter organisations" from the category, which is a vague definition and not a helpful method of categorisation. Warofdreams talk 14:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chancellors of Trinity College, Dublin

Category:Chancellors of Trinity College, Dublin to Category:Chancellors of the University of Dublin

Rename, The title of the office is Chancellor of the University and not Chancellor of the College. Djegan 14:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Carteret Family

Category:Carteret Family to Category:Carteret family

Rename, No reason for Camel Case - to conform with the naming of all other family categories. Ian Cairns 14:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename - per nom -- Henriok 15:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sade singles

Rename to Category:Sade songs, convention of Category:Songs by artist, which also covers singles. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 14:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per convention. --musicpvm 00:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Generals of the Indo-Pakistani Conflicts

Delete, redundant to Category:Generals of the Bangladesh Liberation war, and Category:Generals of the 1971 Indo-Pak war. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 14:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mythological characters in fiction

Delete unpopulated category that is externally redundant to Category:Mythological characters and Category:Mythology in popular culture. Mythological characters are already fictional, therefore the category name is internally redundant. -- Wryspy 05:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the last point, not really, since "in myth" is rather different from "in fiction" in the modern sense. OTOH, if this has been empty for four days, delete as such. Alai 06:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom -- Henriok 15:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Navy people

Category:United States Navy people to Category:United States Navy personnel

As with the per-country categories renamed some time ago, and the US Army type nominated recently. Alai 05:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish Prophets

Rename Category:Jewish prophets to Category:Biblical prophets, per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision). I presume that there are more Jewish prophets than the ones listed in the Tanakh/Bible. (See also: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 26#Category:Tanakh prophets) - jc37 02:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Rename as nominator - jc37 02:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

University of Durham

Category:University of Durham to Category:Durham University

Category:Colleges of the University of Durham to Category:Colleges of Durham University

Category:Chancellor of the University of Durham to Category:Chancellors of Durham University

Category:Alumni of the University of Durham to Category:Alumni of Durham University

Rename The institution has recently changed its public name from the University of Durham to Durham University and correspondingly the main article is now at Durham University. These categories should use the same name structure as the main article for consistency. Timrollpickering 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally the Chancellor category should be pluralised. Timrollpickering 00:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all per nom with one exception, the last should be Category:Durham University alumni for consistency. --Dhartung | Talk 06:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Both "University Name Alumni" and "Alumni of University Name" are in widespread use across Wikipedia - taking Category:People by university in England (as the nearest parent category) both forms appear a lot (along with one or two other variants) and there are many more (usually the "Alumni of" style) in the "People associated with University Name" categories. I don't think there is a current consistency on this one. Timrollpickering 13:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - The nearest parent category is actually Category:Alumni by university in the United Kingdom, which doesn't have much consistency, either. However, similar categories, like Category:Alumni by university in the United States are named as Dan mentioned. - EurekaLott 18:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - When I last looked Category:Alumni by university in the United Kingdom didn't contain very much at all. In any case there is quite a mixture on this and potentially more than one standard form conflicting. I've put up some comments at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (categories)#University categories as a starting point on this. Timrollpickering 18:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per Dhartung --Robdurbar 09:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per Dhartung — plus add a few redirects for the final one. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 11:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ageless fictional characters

Category:Ageless fictional characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, ridiculously broad category, into which a vast majority of comic book, comic strip, cartoon, literary, and television characters can be fit. Second, it's a convention of many such media that characters do NOT age. Third, juxtaposed against Wiki's 'always write in the present' policy, all characters come off as ageless. Finally, where are the limits, in light of the 'characters in fiction are always in the present'? a character who appears only in a single chapter of a novel certainly doesn't age, so is that person 'ageless'? ThuranX 00:21, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --musicpvm 03:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete arguable category. It included characters who have barely aged over the decades. If properly categorized, it would include nearly every comic strip and comic book character, and a category that includes almost everyone renders itself useless. Wryspy 06:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 [[:Category:University of York alumni]] to [[:Category:Alumni of the University of York]]
 *'''Rename''', other University of York categories are in this format e.g. [[:Category:People associated with the University of York]] and [[:Category:Academics of the University of York]]. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 14:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
+*'''Oppose''' there are currently 269 "University by alumni" categories. Of these, 261 use the form "X alumni" - only eight use the form "Alumni of..." It is those eight which should be changed - not the remaining 261. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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