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Notability of Victor A. Marcial-Vega

Hello - I came across an article you had recently created on Victor A. Marcial-Vega. Currently, it seems to lack enough evidence of notability to qualify under WP:BIO. I tagged it and was wondering if you could provide some evidence of non-trivial coverage of Marcial-Vega in "secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." I looked, but couldn't find such coverage - just a lot of promotional stuff on alt-med websites, and a warning letter he received from the FDA. I had initially considered nominating the article for deletion, but then I realized you had started it just recently, so wanted to come here with the issue instead. Thanks. MastCell ^Talk 16:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I replied on my talk page, in order to keep things in one place. MastCell ^Talk 18:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Long rice

I replied on my talk page to keep things together. Executive summary: No, I haven't gotten them confused. KeithH 08:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Its going to need something to show notability

A tag has been placed on Farafina, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you feel that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Xiahou 23:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Wrong guy, and watch your tone

Do NOT tell someone they are being 'uncivilized' and you definetly do NOT say to someone on wiki 'I'm giving you five minutes' get your facts straight. I tagged the article while nothing of notability was showing. Someone else did the deletion. Why don't you check the deletion log for the page. You will see another name there. You can ask them. But I would recomend using a much more civil words with them being that if they deleted it they are an admin. I am not going to give you five minutes I am going to give you all the time in the world to realize you jumped the gun on the wrong guy. I saw an article with no links nothing showing notability. I tagged it for speedy delete band. Next time research it before you start calling people uncivillized. --Xiahou 23:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Here let me help you here is the deletion log - [[1]] like I said you may want to try a different tone of words with them. --Xiahou 23:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

What part of this are you not getting? I can't restore it I didn't delete it. Its not up to me to google the band its up to the editor to provide the information in the article. You really need to do some heavy reading in [[2]] Wikipedia:Civility, enough with time limit hollow threats, calling people rude etc. You know it would have been rather simple on your part to actually provide notability information in a new article before submitting, but then again we are expected to wait apprently till its deemed ok to look through and tag or not to tag. Sorry thats not how it works. Please keep your comments civil and quit telling people to do things they can't do. --Xiahou 00:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok you are really having trouble grasping what I have said over and OVER. I did not delete the article I do not have that power which is why i tagged it. Someone else did. I provided you the link to it. You posted your 5 min hollow threat to them. Been 5 min by the way did you do something to them? (whats the reasoning behind this, telling people they have set time to do your bidding isn't going to speed them up) Again you tell me on my talk page to restore it. I CAN'T RESTORE IT. As far as how long to wait. One could easily say (again as I said above) you the editor and creator of the article need to provide the reason for the article to be notable. When I clicked on a article on the new pages it showed no reason for notablility I tagged it. Someone else then looked at the tag looked at the article ( a simple hangon in the text would have also prevented this) they looked at it and decided to delete it. So to save you replying with the same thing again. I can't, won't restore it. Quit asking. I didn't make a mistake your uncivil tone, not reading the replies which have explained this over and over. Is a mistake. Please. Enough. Take it up with the admin. But you really should read wiki's policy on civility first before you demand they restore it in a set time period. Like you have been doing --Xiahou 00:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I am the admin who deleted your page, and I did so because it does not qualify as an article under the guidelines contained inWP:MUSIC. Ranting and raving at the editor who initially tagged the article will achieve nothing.--Anthony.bradbury 00:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Copied over: Thank you for your response. Asking for 5 minutes was very generous, because 25 seconds (the time you gave me before getting rid of the article entirely, while I was adding a lot of information) is only 8 percent of that amount of time. Thanks again for restoring the page. Badagnani 00:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I CAN'T RESTORE THE PAGE. I give up. I wash my hands of this. Sir/Madam I have replied to you. I tried telling you I give up. I didn't delete it. I can't restore it. Currently as I write this it isn't restored. I don't know what you what you are talking about. But I am done. I am out. --Xiahou 00:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Please understand the situation. Xiahou cannot restore the page. And I, who deleted it, will not. OK?--Anthony.bradbury 00:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

If you wish to pursue this matter further, please go to WP:DRV. I am not going to change my mind.--Anthony.bradbury 00:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Asia

Commercial links are commercial links, even if the person adding them isn't associated with the site. I removed the publisher link on Daniel Asia again; the publisher is correctly linked on its own article. -- JHunterJ 21:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did in Daniel Asia. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. Thanks. -- JHunterJ 21:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

nsbp?

Hi, can you explain why you added "nsbp" or whatever code it is, in place of spaces in the distances at Kent State shootings? Thank you, Badagnani 23:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Per WP:UNITS "Put a space between the value and the unit symbol, for example "25 kg", "5 °C", (not "25kg", "5° C"); however, angles in degrees have no space: "45°". Preferably, use   for the space (25 kg) so that it does not break lines.--SmallPotatoes

Riding Alone for Thousands of Miles

Hi, thanks for you edits on Riding Alone for Thousands of Miles. As a rule of the thumb, i'd try not to include news reports under External links. Instead, try to incorporate relevant information from the reports into the article and then cite the reports under References.

Also, for your addition under Cast. If a wikiarticle exists for "Guizhou Anshun City Zhanjiatun Sanguo Drama Team" then by all means wikilink to it. But i wouldn't recommend wikilinking to individual components within an entity. It wouldn't make sense, for example, to link to "Chicago" and "bull" if you're talking about the NBA team. Also, credits to a performance group is usually not included, especially when the performance group itself is not highly notable.

These are just my opinions open for discussion. Cheers! --Plastictv 04:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Transliterations

Hi, saw your message on tamil talk. Just check out Baraha.com and download their Baraha-Direct tool. Also download their Baraha tool. It will make tranlsliterating into several languages easy as pie. More later. Thanks. Sarvagnya 01:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh.. ok. But then I'm sure that your computer being 5 years old has little or nothing to do with rendering unicode(irrespective of which language). Baraha is infact, for people like you. I'm in a hurry now. But I suggest that you do download Baraha and play around with it a bit. And like I said, there shouldnt be any problems rendering unicode(regardless of which browser you're using IE or firefox). btw.. what OS are you using? Sarvagnya 02:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Infoboxes

You may find [3] of interest. Andy Mabbett 09:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Redmond

No info found; sorry. --FeanorStar7 09:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Douchi sauce

Hmmm...this is a tough one. From my understanding most chinese cooks don't used such a thing as douchi sauce when cooking. They simply use straight douchi to make any sauce required. I'm not against doing a "douchi sauce" article but I also not completely sure if it's needed. Sjschen 04:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

To my knowledge there is only one kind of douchi. I think the salt crystals come out of the damp douchi when it sorta dries up and the two types you talk about are perhaps the same type of product but packed at different stages of driedness? Sjschen 07:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration against Abu badali

Further to our conversations at and with respect to User:Jord/ArbCom-Abu badali, I will be posting the arbitration including a summary of all of our concerns shortly. Jord 17:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Unusual meats

I'm pretty sure they are, like eels and rats, but I haven't found any sources backing it up. DHN 18:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Spam links

Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Ronald Caltabiano. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated, and links that attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policy for further explanations. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Thank you.

Calling spam links "very important" does not suddenly turn them into appropriate links. Please read WP:EL# Links normally to be avoided, specifically "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services." Any artist published by Presser could (and should) have a wikilink to the article on the publisher instead of the spam link. If you still feel this Wikipedia guideline should not be followed on these pages, please discuss it first on the talk pages. -- JHunterJ 00:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For having started so much articles. Well done! ♠Tom@sBat 21:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Nam tien

I'll try to gather some research materials regarding this topic this weekend. You can start a stub about this with a section from a Library of Congress country study and an article by Keith W. Taylor. Nam tien literally means "southward march". The Vietnamese article for this topic is vi:Nam tiến. DHN 02:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Abu badali/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 20:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Josh White

Hey, I noticed you were the original author of the above article, and was wondering if you were interested in helping clear it up a little? It needs some copyediting and sub-headings. Cheers! SGGH ^speak! 19:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I know it's quite tough, I was hoping you'd do better than me as you wrote some of it, we'll both have a go :) SGGH ^speak! 19:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Your welcome.

Yes I like it a lot actually. [4].--alidoostzadeh 02:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

What?

I did not blank the Fanny Lu page, if you actually look at the history I have contributed the most to it! JJGD 20:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

You accused me of adding nonsense to a page?

I have never edited any articles, I believe you have made a mistake...

"Ethnic groups" infobox

Hi Badagnani, I saw your comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups about my changes to the Template:Infobox ethnic group, but only on second reading did I see you were also complaining about me protecting the infobox after my edit. I think there's been a misunderstanding, so let me just set this right please: I didn't protect the box, and it has never been protected for reasons of this dispute; rather, it was protected all along like most other templates as an anti-vandalism measure. I've repeatedly said I'd reverse myself if asked to; however I would like to hear an answer to one question I raised for clarification ([5]) before I do that. Thank you, Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Orlando Jacinto Garcia

A tag has been placed on Orlando Jacinto Garcia, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Cquan (talk, AMA Desk) 16:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I tagged it since there was no notability asserted on the article, which should be there at the very beginning, if for any reason, to deter recent create patrollers from tagging it for speedy delete:-P. In the future, when you create an article, one line about why the subject is notable should prevent this from happening too often. I see the notability assertion now, so I've removed the CSD tag, but I have tagged it as unreferenced. Information should be verified by independent secondary sources (i.e. beyond the composer's personal web site). Thanks! -Cquan (talk, AMA Desk) 17:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Food and Drink

I saw that you recently joined the Wikiproject Food and Drink and I wanted to welcome you. I have been working on restructuring the main page for the project and getting together some tasks for the group to concentrate on. I will post some ideas on the project page for members to peruse and decided if they would like to assist. Looking forward to reading your contributions.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 05:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the project is a big undertaking, but that's why there are many smaller projects within the larger project as listed on the right side of the main page. I feel at this time however that the project is in a revitalization phase and I'd like to see more people work on improving articles in the main project before expanding it into others. In the future maybe we can consider an Asian Cuisine project as I have also considered a Professional Chef sister project.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 00:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Ukwuani / Delta-Ibo

Hi. You, Lawrence and I seem to be the only ones interested in the Ukwuani and Delta Ibo articles. Would you mind reading the recent post I made in the non-neutrality discussion and pointing out where I went wrong? Thanks. Azuka 14:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Regarding chatang (茶汤)

Badagnani:

chatang (茶汤) is not unique to Tianjin, but it is a traditional dish served in both Beijing and Tianjin, and I'll work on it form Beijing cuisine, since it and its derivatives are listed there. Also, please creat a new thread for chatang (茶汤) because I can only modify what is already there but not to add any new threads since the computer info security system would not let me do that. Just write something such as what you wrote in the talk page about chatang (茶汤) and I will do the rest by continuing. Thank you

Badagnani: Thank you for promosing to start the thread. The article "chatang" is under "Beijing Cuisine" article as one of the famous dish of the cuisine, I don't know if you want to use the term chatang (茶汤) itself, or its translation of Seasoned flour mush. Anyway, I have already started on the article. Thank you.

The English name is used by official Chinese publications, including Chinese-English dictionaries. As for the main ingredient, both sorghum and millets are used, and to a lesser extent, millet gluten. For the millets, it does not matter what kind, at least from info I can gather, and a variety was used depending on availability. However, for Mian Cha, this particular type of Chatang only uses prosco millet. As for the name of prosco millet, feel free to change it to broomcorn millet because when I searched Wikipedia, as well as some Chinese books that provides English translation for the ingredient for the broomcorn millet, it provides prosco millet instead and claimed the it is just another name for the same millet.

Identical product was also popluar in Beijing (possibly due to the close proximity of the two cities), and it has the same name as Chatang, at least when I and other Pekinese traveled to Tianjin in the late 1970's from Beijing and had chatang, none of us felt any difference in taste. As for Miancha and Youcha, we did not find it in Tianjin, though traditionally in Beijing, they were viewed as similar products due the way they served.

university high school

It's negative information, coming from a freakin student newspaper. It's not fact checked. It's not reliable as a trustworthy source. Google searching finds NO other sources for the "mismanaged funds allegations". If she wants to include the information, fine, but she needs to have a real source for it. ⇒ SWATJester ^{Denny Crane.} 20:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

new verbiage

Hi Badagnani, thanks for your comments at WT:ETHNIC. If you have a moment to spare, please see the new verbiage on WP:ETHNIC regarding burden of evidence. Ling.Nut 18:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Oboe

It's hardly nonsense, Badagnani. I've seen the movie myself, and I can't say I enjoyed it, but my contribution was fact.

Regina Spektor

Please discuss before you revert edits, please. – Ilse@ 08:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Interesterified, Interesterified oil, Interesterification

I changed your articles Interesterified, Interesterified oil and Interesterification to redirect to Interesterified fat rather than to Transesterification. From what I could figure out transesterification is a different chemical process, used to make bio-diesel for example. I also explained the change at Talk:Interesterified fat.--Chrisbak 22:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleted image

How is the deletion unacceptable? The tag has been on the image for almost a month now, yet no one has contested. Read this for a deeper explaination. Sr13 06:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Tsbook.jpg

Pardon my ignorance, but since you have accused me of bad faith, please advise me what is the proper tag for a false claim of copyright ownership asserted by another editor. Thank you. --Butseriouslyfolks 07:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree. It is sometimes acceptable to use a book cover under fair use, such as when the book is the subject of the article or sufficiently notable to comprise a section of an article about the author. In the context of an article about the author that only mentions the book in a list of publications, with no assertion of notability, it is a replaceable image. (See Wp:fair_use#Examples_of_unacceptable_use.) If I thought fair use applied, I would not have nominated it for deletion. Please also note that although you added a fair use tag, there is no fair use rationale, so the image is still deletable. Thanks for your reply. --Butseriouslyfolks 07:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Sterculia lychnophora

I've never heard of this before. According to vi:Chi Trôm, names for Sterculia lychnophora include lười ươi, ươi, cây đười ươi, and thạch. You should consult with vi:User talk:Vương Ngân Hà, he will be able to give you the Vietnamese name of any plant or animal if you give him the scientific name. DHN 01:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I think I vaguely remember it. I think it tastes like puffed-up raisin after you put it in water, but not sweet. You have to sweeten it with sugar or something. Don't take my word for it though. DHN 01:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hạt or hột is a classifier for small globular objects (seeds, grains, dust, etc.) DHN 02:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd be surprised if it's used for serious medicinal purposes. I think it's used more like a cold dessert for a hot day. The photo is called "chè mát" ("sweet soup to keep you cool"), and besides the fruits, it also includes seaweed and rock sugar. DHN 02:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

This page has some information that might be useful. Its source is the Vietnam Red Book, but it uses some specialized vocabulary so it's hard for me to understand. It talks about the plant instead of the seeds. To translate this page, I think you'll need someone with more expertise than I. DHN 02:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Gac

That looks interesting. It's probably a northern fruit because I've never heard of it before. DHN 02:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Vuong Ngan Ha

That's strange. The diagonal message is on the right side of the screen and shouldn't block anything. I'll relay your message if it's preventing you from posting. DHN 03:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I've relayed your message, but I also looked it up. According to the Vietnam encyclopedia, it's called so đũa. DHN 03:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Arabic

Done. Concerning mehfil, an Arabic word by that name exists, however I am unsure if it is originally Arabic. You know where to find me if you need my help again. ;-) Cheers, Anas ^talk? 18:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. Any other requests? Just drop them my way whenever you find them. Cheers, Anas ^talk? 18:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

John Bergamo

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Choujiu

I'm not too sure if 西桂稠酒 is the same as what is described in Choujiu. I suspect that the name is either a brand or indicates the fragrance of the wine. As for the plant, I believe that its context indicates Osmanthus. Sjschen 18:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:bánh bò nướng

I've heard of "bánh bò" but never "bánh bò nướng", but "bánh bò nướng" is syntactically correct and apparently refers to something edible. DHN 06:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, it's just the baked version of "bánh bò" (nướng means baked). The one I'm used to eating is steamed (see this recipe). I guess the baked version would last longer than the steamed one, but it feels drier. I remember eating them (steamed) for snacks when I was little since they're very cheap. They're always shaped like a baozi, but brown-colored. I have only seen the baked version on sale in the US, and they're always shaped weirdly and have bizarre colors. DHN 08:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess it can be called "bánh bò hấp". I always knew it as "bánh bò" though (hấp means steamed). I'd guess that "bánh bò" refers to all of them, while the modifier word refer to each of them separately. DHN 18:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Allison Cameron (composer)

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Non-notable composer. Has produced nothing worth an article

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Re:Rượu nếp

As we've discussed before, the solidity of "rượu nếp" and "cơm rượu" is a gray area, with "cơm rượu" somewhere closer to the solid side than "rượu nếp". "Bắc" means "North", so "rượu nếp bắc" just drives home the fact that it's Northern-style. DHN 20:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The ingredient list here calls for "watery yeast" and "sweet yeast". I have no idea what they are, but there's no sugar in the list. The minority wine you're referring to might be "rượu cần" (rod/stem/tube wine) of the indigenous people of the Western [Central] Highlands [6][7]. Apparently, they are also brewed for tourists [8]. DHN 20:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Banana leaves are used to line the basket used to ferment the rice. Banana leaves are used in many Vietnamese food, usually as a wrapper, including bánh chưng and its brother bánh dầy. In this discussion board, somebody claims that "rượu cần" has a more sour taste than "rượu nếp". I don't think "rượu nếp" is a minority food, since apparently it's the traditional food of an ethnic Vietnamese holiday. Do you remember where they assert that it's drink of minority groups in northern Vietnam? DHN 21:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

"Rượu thuốc" (medicinal wine) and "rượu trứng" (egg wine) are probably some Chinese concoctions related to Traditional Chinese medicine. DHN 21:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Neither this page nor this page mentions it being made by minorities. It only says it's made North of Hanoi. DHN 21:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Any idea what "Ruou Nep Nuong" is? I just found a reference for it. Badagnani 21:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

"Rượu nếp nương" is another minority rice wine. "Nương" is a cultivation area in the mountains, so "nếp nương" is probably a type of glutinous rice cultivated up in the mountains. The links that mention both "rượu nếp" and "rượu cần" are just lists of Vietnamese wines or describing the strange "rượu cần" in terms of the more well-known "rượu nếp". This page from the FAO has a lot of rice products from Vietnam and recipes for them, including "Rượu Nếp Than", "Cơm Rượu", and "Rượu Nếp Trắng". DHN 21:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Nương is a generic term, like "rice paddy", to refer to a cultivated area on the side of mountains. Since most mountain-dwellers are ethnic minorities, "nương" are almost invariably agricultural areas cultivated by the ethnic minorities. I've never heard of "nếp nương", but its name suggests that it's a type of "nếp" cultivated in a "nương". DHN 21:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Tella & Tsemai

Sorry, I meant to get back to you sooner, but it slipped my mind. Give me some time to get reliable sources on both articles. They're not very well-covered by the traditional print sources (at least the ones that I have access to) and I don't currently have access to JSTOR. The tella article is a good start, though. Regarding the Tsemai, you could probably find enough information on them just online to start a stub. Their numbers according to the 1994 census can be found on the WP:ETH talk page. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The data was on the talk page, just farther down the page (and spelled Tsamay). There are 8,621 mother tongue speakers and 9,699 self-identified ethnic group members (in 1994). As for the woreda and zone data, I'm afraid I can't really help you there. I would just go off what the maps at SNNPR say, which can be conflicting. You can see where exactly they're located in relation to other ethnic groups in this map, though (far southwest Cushitic area, just north of Chew Bahir). I would ask Llywrch about the actual administrative districts, but I have a feeling he doesn't know either. There seems to be a lot of contradictory information regarding administrative boundaries due to existence of multiple redrawn boundaries and new zones and woredas since the 1994 census (not all of which have necessarily been reported by the press). As to the spelling, I imagine it involves differences of transliteration. The "first order" vowel of Ge'ez is pronounced like "uh" (IPA /ə/ - mid central unrounded vowel), which was trasncribed as "ä" by Leslau, although the most sensible English vowel to represent it would be "e," as it usually correctly implies the native pronounciation. The fourth order vowel was transribed as "a" (which is its intuitive English pronounciation), although other methods used "a" for the first order vowel and "ā" for the fourth. Either way, the diacritics of "ä" were/are often dropped, which can result in confusion as to the original Ge'ez spelling and native pronounciation. My guess is that the first vowel is a "first order" vowel, and that the Ge'ez spelling is "ጸማይ" (ṣemāy - the current transliteration system we're using still uses "ā" for the fourth vowel, but "e" for the first, unless in Tigre, Harari or Ge'ez, although the Ge'ez pronunciation is uncertain). I think I elaborated too much on the spelling differences, so I'll just stop now. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello

I've added the Hindi transliterations for Taal, Chaat masala and Taan. I'm not sure about the other 3. Also, it looks like you are interested in Hindustani classical music. I wonder if you've read these two articles - Vishnu Narayan Bhatkhande, Vishnu Digambar Paluskar. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please relax

I'd like to recommend that you please calm down -- your conduct at Wikipedia talk:Flagged revisions is becoming quite disruptive and is by no means constructive toward furthering your purpose. There is nothing here worth getting so riled about, and everyone wants only to have a civil, mature discussion. You're making this difficult, however. AmiDaniel (talk) 10:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Panch phoron

Added the Bengali name.

Don't you think the article needs to be named "Panch Phoron"? The second term here is also a name, and therefore, should be capitalized, right? --Ragib 10:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For all your hard work in creating and developing world music articles! GizzaChat © 10:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for improving Indian music pages on Wiki in particular. It is in general, an underdeveloped area and am grateful you have laid the foundations with pages like Dhun.

Arabic

Sorry I'm late; I was busy (and still am) with my tests. Concerning rhaita, I couldn't verify the Arabic script; I'm not even sure it's Arabic. If you like, I can add an estimated Arabic transliteration. Just in case I'm not here, it's "رايتا". However, I'm not sure at all if it's correct. Cheers, Anas ^talk? 14:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Then that would be "غايتا". I searched before your message, and found nothing. They have no Arabic website, not even an online news article. So, no, I'm still not sure if it's Arabic. —Anas ^talk? 14:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Your headers

Look, this isn't rocket science, so please listen. When you make two headers,

== Header ==
== Header 2 ==

you're only making a mess on the page. You're not supposed to bold headers, either. See WP:MOSHEAD for details. It's not going to kill you to have a single header like everyone else. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Vegetables

You have a good point that those articles on "Japanese vegetables" should have been moved to "Japanese cuisine", but as nobody had mentioned in the deletion debate, we had no real way of knowing that. Please realize that we deal with up to a hundred categories on a daily basis, so we may not always be familiar with every nuance of usage of any particular category. If every former member of the "vegetable" cat should be in the "cuisine" cat, we can fix that by bot if you like. If not, it would have had to be done manually in any case. >Radiant< 11:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

• Perhaps this issue could be resolved by using an article to explain Japanese cuisine, rather than a category? The article has the advantage that it can explain its purpose, and also explain what the vegetable (et al) is used for - whereas to many editors, the cat is simply a "tag" at the bottom of the page that they may fail to understand. Do you think that would help? >Radiant< 15:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Rutka Laskier

I find the subject of the article extremely compelling, so I have nominated the article for Did You Know. Please review the hook that I proposed, and improve it if you want. Great article! Royalbroil 15:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The Associated Press news link in the article is already dead. While looking for a replacement, I found an excellent source with new material that I would like to use to expand the article. Would you pause from editing the article for a while? I'll notify you when I'm done. Thanks! Royalbroil 14:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I am done with the article. The reference has many more quote that could be used if you feel they are appropriate. Please reference an additional quotes from the Jerusalem Post article using the <ref name=JerusalemPost /> tag. If you want to add a quote earlier in the article, just move the reference definition up and add replace the current first ref with the tag above. We still need to find a copy of the AP article that will stay for a while.

You edited the article after you said that you wouldn't, and it messed me up! I had to manually add my changes a second time - hopefully I didn't miss anything. The edit conflict cost me about 10 minutes. Royalbroil 15:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Mehfil

Hello Badagnani. Per your request, I've added Urdu to the Mehfil article. The script used to write Urdu is actually a modified form of the Perso-Arabic script. This website will give you some insight on the relationship between the two languages. I hope this helps! Thanks, Anupam^Talk 17:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Anne Frank

Hello. You recently added a second "See Also" section to Anne Frank in order to add a link to Rutka Laskier. I merged the two sections; please be more careful in the future. Cheers, Doctormatt 17:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and "isn't a very nice way to phrase" is not a very nice way to phrase "Oops, sorry, thanks for the heads up.". Cheers, Doctormatt 18:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Cello rock AfD

Your comment in this AfD that CA387 should "try to improve Wikipedia in a constructive, not destructive manner" is unfair for three reasons. Firstly, CA387 has been creating new articles about cellists and improving existing ones, as a look at his user page would have told you. Secondly, nominating an article for deletion is not of itself "destructive". Thirdly, one can "improve" Wikipedia by deleting an article as well as by writing one. Please consider withdrawing or clarifying your remark. (PS I'm not !voting in the AfD because CA387 mentioned the debate on my talk page, and I didn't want him accused of soliciting votes, but the article is a mess and any attention it gets as a result of the AfD can only be a good thing if it leads to improvements.) Regards, Bencherlite 19:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Replying to this message by saying of CA387 that "He's probably biased against rock music" is uncivil, at the least. No doubt if you have "evidence", you'll produce it, but I'd be surprised to see any. Bencherlite 19:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Rutka Laskier

Wow, that'd be pretty amazing. I saw your work on the article last night. I started the stub and then took a nap, and saw that you wrote a lot. Thanks for working on it! Boneheadmx 23:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I had insomnia that night, so I decided to read the news. I wanted to find out more about this girl and her diary, but saw that there was no information on Wikipedia so I decided to start writing a little bit. Never imagined it would spring up so quickly, but you've done an awesome job writing it. If anything, I would credit the work to you since you were pretty dedicated to it. This is the first time any article I've been associated with was on the DYK. Boneheadmx 01:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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Re:Sam bo luong

Sorry for not responding earlier; I've been busy lately. The drink you're referring to is known as "sâm bổ lượng" (note the hook instead of acute accent). The name of the drink sounds Chinese and is probably meaningless to a normal Vietnamese speaker. Do a search for "sam bo luong". DHN 01:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

When I say "meaningless", I mean it doesn't stand for anything meaningful. Of course, a normal Vietnamese speaker would recognize it as "that Chinesy drink". District 5 is Cho Lon, the largest Chinatown in Vietnam. DHN 01:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't look like the tong sui in the picture. It's always served cold, essentially a cocktail of fruits (especially lychee and lotus seed). I suspect that like chop suey, it's a "Chinese dish" unknown in China. DHN 01:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to get the Chinese characters just from Vietnamese. Sâm has 5 equivalent characters, bổ 4, and lượng has 9, resulting in 180 possible combinations. Furthermore, this sounds like a recent word in the Vietnamese lexicon, so it's very possible that it's a corruption of the Cantonese pronunciation instead of the Vietnamese reading of the Chinese characters (words like lì xì and xì dầu fall in this category). DHN 02:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Great job. The proper reading of the Chinese characters is "thanh bổ lương", so the Vietnamese pronunciations "sâm bổ lượng", "sắn pủ lường", "xâm bổ lượng", and "sâm bố lượng" are just corruptions of the Cantonese pronunciations. Chè is a classifer for liquid concoctions that are sweet, while bánh is a classifier for solid (usually round) edible things. Used alone, "chè" means "sweetened porridge, made of glutinous rice, bean...". DHN 02:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

According to zh.wiki, it's common in Guangdong, Hong Kong, and Macao. Typical ingredients include lotus seed, Job's tear seed, lilies, red dates, and longan. DHN 03:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's conceivable that ching would be corrupted into sâm. Just look at the theories about the etymology of the name Saigon. DHN 03:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any word sounding like "ching" in Vietnamese (there's a word written as chinh though). The character for qing becomes thanh, and the Qin Dynasty becomes "Tần". A good Chinese-Vietnamese dictionary is this one. Just enter the Chinese characters in the box and out comes the Vietnamese reading (and pinyin). DHN 03:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Haha. The initial output is the most common reading (I assume). If you click on individual characters, you will see all the possible readings for that character. DHN 03:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Since it's a Chinese food, shouldn't it be known by its Chinese name? Wouldn't calling sam bo luong a "Vietnamese...soup of Chinese origin" be the same as calling pho an "American soup of Vietnamese origin"? DHN 02:10, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really sure. The description at the Chinese Wikipedia sounds familiar to me. But I don't really have much experience eating or preparing either so I'm not a good judge. DHN 02:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Vietnamese cuisines

You're just making me drool. DHN 05:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I think there was an attempt at making a Vietnamese portal, but it's in serious disrepair. Some users to recruit in case you're planning to create a Wikiproject Vietnam:

1. User:Mxn
2. User:Enderminh
3. User:Yellowtailshark
4. User:Le Anh-Huy
5. User:Tridungvo
6. User:Langtucodoc
7. User:Ionius Mundus
8. User:CarlKenner
9. Anyone in Category:User vi

and members from vi.wiki who might give some input:

1. User:Mekong Bluesman
2. User:Apple2
3. User:Vuong Ngan Ha

DHN 05:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

VNH has an IP address that is also shared by about 10000 others, so he is regularly blocked from many wikis. DHN 05:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hindi Script

For Dadra Could you use User:Desiphral to help you out with the script ? I have not edited in devnagri and don't know how to get the script. Haphar 11:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Rutka Laskier

On 8 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rutka Laskier, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Re:Banh chung

I doubt it. The reading of the Chinese character is not "chưng". According to the creation legend of banh chung, its name comes from the way it's prepared. "Chưng" means "to boil with a small flame". DHN 23:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Banh chung anh banh giay have a creation legend associated with them and the Hung Vuong; the legend goes to great extent to emphasize their Vietnamese origin. DHN 23:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I doubt that the legends are literally true, but judging from how long ago the food had been known in Vietnam, I doubt that the name is borrowed from China. Just be careful when you suggest that it has Chinese origins to any Vietnamese person; they might be offended. DHN 23:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, according to the Nom Lookup tool, it can either be 烝 or 蒸. DHN 23:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead, but banh is a pure Vietnamese word, so you need the Nom character for it (𥹘). DHN 23:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Chu Nom

It's sort of like the Japanese version, but different. If I understand it correctly, the Japanese systems augment the Kanji with a phonetic system of limited phonetic symbols to represent pure Japanese sounds. The Vietnamese chu Nom system creates new characters to represent pure Vietnamese words. Basically, it does this by combining a character for meaning, and the other for sound into a single character. This was a haphazard system and was never standardized (this gives you an idea why quoc ngu was so successful). Most Chu Nom characters are not supported in the most popular Unicode fonts, so you need special fonts to see them. You can click on the link to view the characters graphically. DHN 00:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

You're probably referring to Ngô Thanh Nhàn, the vice president of the Nom Foundation. DHN 00:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

He's one of the very few overseas Vietnamese who's regularly quoted in the Vietnamese media (in Vietnam), not for his expertise, but for his political views. DHN 00:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:Banh Trung thu

Bánh Trung thu is just mooncake. Bánh tét is something else. It's the Southern version of banh chung, but it's cylindrical-shaped. DHN 04:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Bánh tét is correct. DHN 04:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

On second thought, it might be the Southern version of banh giay. If you're referring to the cylindrical-shaped food eaten during Tet [9], I'm certain it's tét. DHN 04:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"bánh Tết" means "Tet edibles", and can refer to the myriad of things that can be called "bánh" and eaten during Tet. DHN 04:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Bánh tét (note that tét shouldn't be capitalized) probably deserves its own article. "Bánh" can be loosely translated as "cake", but it actually is a classifier, and can be used for many other things that are not necessarily cakes nor edible (bánh tráng is edible but can hardly be called a cake, as are many non-sweet edible things). DHN 04:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

"tét" means to split or to cut, as in "tét áo" (to tear a shirt). I'd guess it name comes from what happens when it's cooked. Because it's packed tightly, it's inevitable to make some tears when it expands. Or maybe you have to cut it to eat it. DHN 04:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard them categorized that way before. The only references to them online I can find online refer to a single event in 2005 when a huge one was created [10]. "ông" and "bà" means roughly "man" and "woman", respectively. In the legends of banh chung and banh giay, they ostensibly represent earth and sky, but some anthropologists argue that they really represent "male" and "female", with the "banh tet" making the phallic symbol that was "banh giay" even more clear. DHN 05:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, not important then. Check the new article: Bánh tét. Badagnani 05:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

In the North they eat banh chung and banh giay while in the South they eat banh chung and banh tet. I've never eaten "banh giay" before. I'd guess "banh tet" is the South's version of banh giay. I think the point is they need something rectangular and something round. DHN 05:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

It turns out that you might be correct after all. According to this [11], written by a well-known historian, it is claimed that "bánh tét" is just a corruption of "bánh tết". DHN 05:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Translation of article

Let me try to summarize the main points of this article. He's trying to argue that banh chung and banh giay are not uniquely Vietnamese.

1. Banh chung and banh giay represent male and female, respectively, a very common occurrence in agriculture-based cultures.
2. In Sichuan, there is a food very closely resembling banh tet, called "tông bính" (Sino-Viet) or "Téung pính" in the Sichuanese dialect.
3. Mochi is a Japanese food very similar to banh giay, also eaten during New Year's.
4. Banh tet is the original version of banh chung, and its name is a corruption of the holiday.

Hope that helps. DHN 05:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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That Template

Hi, thanks for letting me know about that template. I am about to add 3 separate rows.

1. Change cantonese to "Cantonese Jyutping". ca
2. Add "Mandarin Yale Romanization". may
3. Add "Cantonese Yale Romanization". cay

Benjwong 20:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

How about changing Cantonese to Jyutping? I most definitely agree the Yale Romanization is not common. The only reason to add it, is because I noticed some items already have the Romanization done. It seems like a waste to delete. Benjwong 20:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't doubt that Jyutping is quite a cantonese term. But if you look at the existing talk page, this has already been brought up before. [[12]] by user Monni. It was also the first thing on my mind when I saw the template. Benjwong 20:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at the template now. I just made the change. It looks fine. Added 2 new keys and the existing keys are the same. Benjwong 20:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Wikiproject Food and Drink Newsletter

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter June 2007

Pingtang County

LOL! It looks so photoshopped, I had to Google before believing that it's real. -- ran (talk) 14:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a mixture of traditional and simplified. Notably, "country" is in traditional and "party" is in simplified, which FLG is making a huge issue out of, saying that Heaven has predicted that the party and the country are opposed, and hence you must leave the Party right now if you wish to avoid heavenly retribution in the future, etc.

It could also be falsified, hard to say. Lots of websites (serious news websites) seem to be taking it seriously. -- ran (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Almond Jelly and edit summaries

Hey, you asked on the Almond jelly page about the literal meaning of "杏仁豆腐" and specifically the meaning of the second character. 仁 is a pretty famous character, because it means "benevolence" or "humaneness", and is the main virtue of Confucianism. I was surprised to see it in there, but it turns out that the Chinese word for "almond" is "杏仁“。 豆腐 actually means tofu. So, if you wanted to get really super literal, the meaning would be something like "benevolent apricot tofu". However, "almond tofu" is probably a little more realistic.

On an unrelated note, could you please use edit summaries? I can never tell what you are doing.