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Jerry, etc.

If you would be ok with it, I'd like to have a grown-up conversation with Jerry. I'm not a whining deletee, or anything and I'm certainly not after any 'dispute resolution'. I'll be disappointed if Jerry doesn't take on board my comments at all, and would probably return to the question later, but I'm not about to be mean to him about it. Your interjections are only a minor distraction to my talk with him, but I'd like it if you'd just sort of step out of it and leave a pair of generally capable admins to have a quiet chat. Not all talk page threads need quite as much input as others, after all, and this is not WT:RFA, where everybody joins in everything! Splash - tk 22:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw another editor being challenged (and civilly, yes) about doing something that in general I find to be the right approach at DRV. While agreeing, Splash, that DRV is a new forum for some editors, often new editors, that doesn't excuse not reading instructions, IMHO, and being told that they are out of process will always come across "harshly", but I strongly agree with Jerry that it is necessary. Truth be told, I think a DRV is actually one of the most stressful situations to find yourself in as an XfD closer, as I'm sure you may be able to attest if one or two of your own closes has been brought there. I find that the closer of the XfD is often quite abused by "group discussion" where he/she is blamed for even causing the DRV by some sort of inadequacy on his/her part, when all they did is attempt to intepret consensus. It's brutal, it has chased off many good admins from closing XfDs, creating backlogs, and it has chased them off Wikipedia altogether. And the whole thing can be avoided by doing what you did. Going to UserTalk. I meant no offense to you, I meant no offense to Jerry (he's perfectly capable of defending his actions), and I certainly don't mean to be a "distraction". I am, however, also a grown-up (but thanks for the insinuation) adding my unsolicited defense of an editor's practice where I see fit. I'll step out of it now. I would personally like to see DRV brought to MFD as a fatally flawed system of review, and start over. The irony of course, is that if an MFD actually worked, it would just be brought to DRV anyway as a "bad close". Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, "grown up" was prone to misreading; I just meant that I wanted to have a conversation that was nice and straightforward. On the question of DRV, I guess I have to take a lot of the blame for that, since I largely invented the process, and moved it away from Votes for Undeletion (VfU). But originally, and after quite some contemplation, we wrote the rules on a majoritarian basis (50%+1 to overturn → overturn; 50%+1 to endorse → endorse; neither → relist) and that was in order to make DRV a 'clean cut' and thus remove the question of re-running AfDs on DRV. Majority was also the basis of the more narrowly-scoped, and long-standing, VfU. Of course, people eventually got hung up on using the word "consensus" all over the place, not recognising the damage that would cause nor the reasons for the original choice. And also not realising that the use of a majority to evaluate whether a consensus can be found or not does not necessarily imply a non-consensual process, particularly when the majority-based system was constructed on the back of a broad consensus to do so! Anyway, people must live with their mistakes and so we now find DRV too often re-running AfDs, in exchange for people being able to kneel at the linguistic altar. Splash - tk 16:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I apologize Splash, I did not realize that you were the "inventor" of the process, and had I know that, I wouldn't obviously lecture you about its merits and detractions as you are most certainly, completely aware of them. I meant no disrespect to what must have been extremely time consuming efforts on your part to fix a broken system that you did before my time here. I apologize for any disrespect you may have perceived in my post, especially calling it "fatally flawed". I do however, believe DRV has been grossly abused in the past, and has become, for lack of better terminology "AfD#2" when someone (usually a participator in a debate) didn't get their way. I hope your discourse with Jerry goes well. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

No, no. I agree, in fact, that DRV has become too much AfD2 although I think I might take the view that the cause of this is the tactics employed by a relatively small number of individuals, coupled with the mistaken move to mushy language. Which was the cause of my (uninvited) history lesson - as I think things were broken by a well-intentioned accident. I wonder if there is a path of un-reforming it, but I don't really have the motivation to pursue it at present. (Certainly, VfU was significantly weaker than DRV is or was, but the change had the good fortune to be carried out in contextually-helpful circumstances which don't seem really to prevail at present). Splash - tk 23:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

A rollback by RyRy5

Hey Keeper76, since you said you'd personally take RyRy5's rollback away if you see an issue, I'd like you to look at this revert. It's not vandalism, but I don't know for sure if it should be taken away based on it. If he had taken 5 seconds he would have seen it wasn't, so yeah, I'll leave it up to you. Metros (talk) 02:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

looking into this, thanks Metros. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it now. Metros (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)On first appearance, I'm not convinced RyRy actually even used rollback for this edit. It looks like he used "undo" as it was a single IP editor's single contribution that he reverted. (reverted incorrectly, yes I agree - that material should not be in the article). Did he use rollback to do this? I need to look more closely I think, hmm. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, not that it's an issue now since Friday's taken it away, but yes that's a rollback. An undo would say "Undid reversion by..." A revert with pop-ups is "Revert to reversion #####..." A rollback is "Reverted edits by..." Metros (talk) 14:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah. *slaps forehead*. I did actually know that, just looked too fast. I've already responded on RyRy's page. The irony is that he didn't need to use rollback, could've used "undo". To me, that strengthens Friday's actions, not RyRys. Bummer. Thanks Metros. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

He shouldn't have undid it in that case either. It wasn't vandalism, so there was no need to revert it at all, regardless of the method used to revert. That's the big issue here, that he doesn't take the few seconds to read and recognize edits. Metros (talk) 14:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree with you, as I stated above. Should not have done anything at all. I was just pointing out the irony that he used a granted "extra tool" in a situation where he would be able to make the exact same error as if he didn't have the "extra tool". And now he, rightfully, doesn't have the extra tool. Which means he could conceivably make the same mistake again. Which means we take away "undo"...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've commented here (permalink) Although not necessary, I'd have liked to be told about the revoking, not to see it on my watchlist, but never mind, I found out anyway. And, well, if he's given rollback again in the near future, I'd be highly concerned. Wouldn't it be fair to wait until I think he's ready for it? Merely as I've adopted him, and I plan to do an intense teaching with him about vandalism. And I feel I know what I'm doing in that area, but, anyway commented on his talk page. Feel free to reply to this on mine. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 14:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure why we didn't edit conflict there...hmmm. Anywho, absolutely Steve. I will not grant it again, you were correct in the ANI thread previously, and I should've not granted rollback so soon. I was reviewing his edits, and he appeared to be working with rollback fairly well, very conservatively, limiting himself to page blankings. This one was a mistake unfortunately. I am stepping back from this to heed your better judgment. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. When I can see, from what I will have taught him, and when I feel he's ready, I'll give the nod. Not that I override an admin, I just feel I'm kinda the best one to judge that sorta thing. I hope you understand. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 14:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a friendly note to Steve: Adoption is highly informal, and while your requests are in good faith, admins (or anyone) having to make seperate posts on the adopters pages would create a lot of extra work. It's assumed that the adopter is already keeping an eye on his adoptee (which clearly you are). I think your advice should have been heeded earlier on in the A/NI, although Keeper saw a reasonable request from RyRy and acted on it. Ryan is clearing doing good stuff in the project... but maybe a suggestion for him: Ask him to remove some of the user boxes about edit counts, to encourage him to not worry about such a trivial thing and focus on his strong points. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:35, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know adoption is informal, was just a comment that since I've seen the effects of the rollback, and how he did on the Vandalism Assignment, that he wasn't ready. I know that if an admin wants to do something, they will do it. Already mentioned the userboxes, I didn't tell him to remove them altoghether (I have one for count too), but I rarely if ever update it. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 16:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Please try to avoid...

interjecting yourself into an editor's attempt to dialog with another editor. Splash was trying to open a dialog with Jerry, and that attempt seemed stymied by your intervention. It may be more healthy in the future to let two people work out their differences on their own.

Just food for thought. And happy editing. Cheers, Kingturtle (talk) 12:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

As it turns out, the dialog was not stymied. Cheers again, Kingturtle (talk) 13:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The irony of this post has not escaped me, Kingturtle. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The Diorama FAC

Okay...I don't want you to think anyone is being anal here; just keep in mind that SandyGeorgia has to review 4 dozen of these pages at least once a day. Could you please put your support right at the front of your sentence? She only asks it because, with so much to read, she knows she's missed support/oppose votes from time to time, and that just makes everyone cranky. Incidentally, nice copy editing work there, I always feel better when someone else goes through too. Risker (talk) 20:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Risker, for the copy edit compliment! Much appreciated. I'll go there next and fix my "stabs" at helpfulness for SG.  :-) Cheers, and thanks for the headsup...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Keeper76; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 21:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Don't break anything :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: What do you think?

I think I'm a lucky guy! I'm a bit stunned at the pace of development, but there's no time like the present, and nothing to be lost from going for it! Thank you. No matter which way it goes, I won't let you down. --Jza84 |  Talk  23:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

That's an accept btw (!) --Jza84 |  Talk  23:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, my preference was always that Malleus (and a fellow editor User:Ddstretch) get the mop first, before me, but they are each reluctant, and c'est la vie. I'll probably hang back for an hour or so, then transclude. That is, if you're also OK with that? --Jza84 |  Talk  23:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you're better off waiting for a Pedro co-nom, and from his talkpage, I believe he's gone to bed for the day. I'd waitng 8-10 hours before transcluding, minimum, so he can add his co. But that's just me and my own insecurities. BTW, I also think that Malleus needs to try RfA#2, but he seems rather stubborn about it (who knew?) :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

And, now that I think about it, I thought Dd was an admin, or at least, I assumed so (never checked logs). What gives? Ddstrech isn't an admin? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to find the message he left me about it once. I offered to (co-)nominate him for RFA, but, respectfully, he declined, putting content building first. We're a good team in the north west, even if I say so myself! As for Malleus, I suspect (and hope) that my own RFA may make him rethink his position. It's mad that we all seem to want him to have it, but he does not. :) --Jza84 |  Talk  00:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Um

Why'd you revert Gurch's check marks to the Highly active page? SynergeticMaggot (talk) 23:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Wait, what did I do? Was it wrong? Revert me if it was, it won't hurt my feelings.... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone else did it. No worries. It was being discussed on the main talk. :D SynergeticMaggot (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Link me baby - whaddya mean, "main talk?" Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[1] Enigma ^message 23:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It was actually SimsFan, although I left a note on MBisanz's talk that I think it's a sock of SimpsonsFan08. Enigma ^message 23:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL! I assumed, perhaps with bad faith, that Simsfan was Simsponfan08. LOL. Let me know how the SSP case goes, if one is ever opened...:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm watching Game 3 of Penguins-Flyers and they just ran an Explore Minnesota ad. I thought of you. Enigma ^message 01:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What makes you think I'm from Minnesota? Oh, wait....I guess I've let that cat outta the bag. Yes, I'm from MN. I heart MN. Go Twins!. (Baseball is the only realy sport)...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thomas Calcagni

Hi. You deleted this article per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Calcagni. This is just a courtesy note, since User:Tcalcagni has requested some sort of review via this edit [2] to a category I watch. I've answered their question in this edit, [3], so I just thought I would give you a heads up. Hiding T 23:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the headsup, Hiding. I'll watchlist User:Tcalcagni with the assumptionthat he/she may post there instead of here. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for not putting all the postings in the correct places. I was seeking advice on how to have the deletion of the article reviewed. I understand the reluctance to post biographies written by the individual, however, after the article was up for deletion changes and references were added by other users, after some of the voting took place. I did not make changes after being told I should not. Can you please let me know if you are willing to reconsider your decision. Thank you --Tcalcagni (talk) 00:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, Tcacagni. I'm always willing to reconsider any decision I make as an admin. What sources, specifically, do you feel warrant inclusion of this particular article? Has anyone written about you in third party sources? (I'll post this on your talkpage also in case your not watchlisting this). Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

i'm blushing

LOL. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 00:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

My only purpose on Wiki is to make other Wikipedians blush. Glad I could help. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Rollback…

Keeper, I’m sorry I let you down. I hope my adoption can bring me to learn a good amount of info on wikipedia, and a great deal on vandalism. Just promise me that if I ask you, or any admin for that matter, for rollback that you would decline my request. I have learned what I have done wrong and I would like to learn from it. I don’t intend on asking or accepting an offer until a few weeks until my adoption is entirely over and when I can prove to others that I am ready to try again without any problems. I was doing really well with rollback at first when you granted me permission, but I misunderstood an edit. I should leave a notice on my talk page. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem RyRy. We all make mistakes. I was a bit heartbroken to see a thread on my talkpage that said you were having rollback removed, and I very hesitatingly agreed that it was the right move. I am very proud of your contribs to Wikipedia though, especially, your DYKs (three in one week!). I hope you decide to stick around and add to this website. I've never liked Rollback myself, and have always preferred to talk to editors/(even vandals!), before reverting myself. Hopefully, you 'll take Friday's removal of rollback in stride and continue to edit Wikipedia in a postivie fashion. Wishing you well, and cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course I will stay. Well, at least until May 30th (My birthday J). Also, keep in mind that two of the DYKs were the ones I nominated, not created or significantly contributed to. But I think I will start contributing significantly to them before a nom. But I’m trying to get this incident today of my mind, and by doing that, I will redesign a user’s page. And a few article improvements while I’m at it. And I’m still very sorry I let you down. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA mathematics

I got a headache attempting to read that mess : ), and I'm a scientist! Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, but are you a mathematician? -- Avi (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Shamefully no. : ) Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

People don't kill people. Math kills people. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Now I'll throw a RfA question back at you

I see that early on you supported here. You state that you trust the nom and don't have worries. Of course valid. It seems like now some of the early supports may have been a little pile-on without enough info brought to the table. After things brought up in the discussion, and many other items, I don't really see any way I can/should support this candidate, based on his understanding of policy and woefully wrong answers to inquiries regarding his contributions to certain articles. I'm not expecting you to change your vote, but how do you look at this RfA now? I've probably brought this question because while you and I often disagree at RfAs, this particular one bothers me. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh. What's funny is that RFA was what I was reading, clicked refresh, and saw the message bar :-) I watchlist all RfAs that I participate in, especially where I participate early, in case something turns up/comes up. I can't say I'm impressed with some of the warts that the spotlight is finding and I'm actually reconsidering my early support. I've noticed that you and I disagree at RfA a bit, but I'll say it expressly that your approach to RfA and discussion is refreshing and I highly respect your opinions, even when they disagree with my own. Why else would I keep trying to nominate you?  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. Evula's recent oppose here sums up exactly how I feel about this candidate. Again, another interesting study of an RfA. It looks like it is currently being "derailed". Kind of makes it tougher on the candidate when it goes this way. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit like watching a car accident about to happen, ain't it? Hard to look away. Tis unfortunate, because Addshore is a good editor, MBisanz is a very careful nominator, and it looks really unlikely for this one to right itself. After reflection, I probably won't go in and change my support, although I do agree with EVula, Iridescent, etal. No need to kick someone off a cliff when they're already falling. (And the "copyvio" hasn't been confirmed officially) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I guess I don't see the need to switch now. To be honest, just between you and me (and the 1683 editors who watch this page), I don't see any way he'll pass this time around. It can probably easily be dealt with in the next 4-5 months of trying out some areas that require more knowledge of policy. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Just read your Oppose, well said. Not overly harsh, but direct and honest. I hate saying this, but if it looks borderline, I'll probably switch closer to close, barring other unforeseen changes. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Steve.museum

I know its red history but the project has become notable and I'm willing to bring it back via DRV, but if you're around, would you mind userfying it to me so I can preserve anything worthwhile? Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done. User:Travellingcari/Steve.museum. Good luck! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(As an FYI, there is an old userfied version here as well. Hasn't been touched in ages. Let me know when/if the article goes back to mainspace, and remind me to delete both userfied copies at that time. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I went to create an article anew and almost went blind from its history. That's a case if there ever was one for waiting until its notable rather than re-create umpteen times. Gee what do you know, an EC on your talk... :p I'll let you know when I'm done with the draft and/or if it passes DRV _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

It's now at DRV _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Commented there. Excellent work! BTW, get done moving soon would ya? Tis the season for article builders/content writers at RfA. The pendulum will swing again back towards vandalfighters/and social loiterers. If you want to undelete and userfy yourself instead of having to beg for help, get your butt over there. What, you've got like 5 people telling you to run? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I like social loiterers ;) I plan to do it soon. I see that there's an interest in GA/FA creation, do you think that will hurt me? I nommed 2002 European floods for GA before I really understood all the detailed criteria and it rightfully failed. Was hoping to get something up following a peer review at WP:MUSEUMS but none of us really have had the time. I'm just trying to unearth/address potential issues before someone else does. Thoughts? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you are being your own worse critic. GA/FA are nice, but not the only way to define an "article builder" The work you are doing at WP:MUSEUMS is simply stellar. You are highly skilled in the AfD arena, a clear, patient communicator. Hoping that timing is truly the only issue, as in having enough time in your RL to handle seven days' spotlight. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(outdent because I can't count high enough for that many colons) Yep, timing is the main issue. I saw your comment and am about to work on that. Given that I'm not moving as planned on 6.1 due to not having had time to breathe, let alone apartment hunt, I could do it sooner. I've watched a few not pretty RfAs lately (including the one that you're discussing above) and I'm just hoping to have my Is dotted and Ts crossed to avoid anything like that. Your support means a lot. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I answered them. Writing a post on my talk page and inviting the possible co-noms to comment if they're still interested. Thanks for the push. Question, do I chose or does someone else choose the extra questions that appear at RfA? I don't see that covered here _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The extra questions are a total mixed bag. Anyone can ask anything they want. Ridiculous questions can be ignored, someone will come along and remove them in some cases. I have total faith that you'll be able to reasonably answer anything thrown your way. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Just posted to Wizardman's talkpage for a co-nom. Who else was it that offered? Wasn't it Rudget and Brewcrewer? And someone by email? Send them an email! Also, before anyone is allowed to support or oppose, the RfA has to be transcluded to the RfA mainpage. I'll take care of that after your satisfied that those that want to co-nom have had an opportunity. If it's never transcluded (ie, cold feet, timing), it's like it never happened. Once transcluded though, you have 7 days of Wikistress ahead of you. Promise me this, or I won't transclude: You must type this sentence exactly: "I, Travellingcari, promise you, Keeper, that if the RfA goes down the toilet, that I will not leave Wikipedia." Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Sent the other an e-mail. Rudget was the other, need to find the thread since it was a while ago. "I, Travellingcari, promise you, Keeper, that if the RfA goes down the toilet, that I will not leave Wikipedia." that's easy and one I won't break. I can't prompise that I'd ever go for admin again, but I certainly won't leave the project - I'm having too much fun. When and if it stopped being fun, that's when I'd leave. I think I'm ready to go -- school is done, waiting any longer won't make me more ready I don't think. Thanks so much! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

And gotcha re: extra questions, wasn't sure whether there was a standard set of extras since some seem to turn up in every RfA. I think I can answer them. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, once live, I'll probably oppose based on your fascination with a subpar baseball team. Go Rays!. Go Jays! (I'm of course, completely joking...or am I?) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

They seriously need to learn to hit the ball or they're going to be in trouble. 21 - 29 is not something I'd like to repeat :) We play soon, don't we? I think it's next weekend. Eep! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Memorial day weekend. 4 games. May 30-June2. At the dome. We just took 3 of 4 from the bloodsox last weekend. Things are rosey in Twinsland right now (although we lost to lowly Toronto last night). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

and the Rays are tied with the DeadSox for 1st. I think that, along with Godzilla's HR against Troy Percival last night in the 9th, is one of the biggest surprises early on this season. That said, scoreboard watching in May gives me hives. I'm just glad I'm done with classes so that I can see the games again. This getting home in daylight thing is a novelty _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

<out>You know, if you would've told me, after seeing the Detroit lineup, the Cleveland lineup, and even the Chicago lineup, that my lowly little Twinkies would be enjoying a spot atop the Central division, I woulda laughed at you. But, good God, we made some good trades this offseason. Carlos Gomez, Delmon Young, Chad Everett, Mike Lamb, Livan Hernandez, Matt Tolbert (I'm sure there's others). All freekin fantastic. They've all impressed me in their own way. Especially Gomez. Holy shit, I'll take him over Santana (one of the mediocre Mets' staff) any day. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, they've played well. Name wise for the Twinkies, I can still rattle off the 80s/90s a bit better: Kirby Puckett, Chili Davis, Kent Hrbek, Chuck Knoblauch, Kevin Tapani, Mike Pagliarulo, Rick Aguilera... better than the current staff. You could have had Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes for all the good they've done the Yankees (sent down to AAA and DL) but I think Melky was the deal breaker. With this crazy season series ends in May schedule, I have no idea when/if the Yankees/Tigers game from Sunday will be made up. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't even get me started 'bout 80s/90s Twins. You forgot Gagne, Brunanski, Blyleven, Laudner, Coomer... I miss Koski too, and even Bartlett, Silva, Garza more recently. But the amazing thing about the Twins though, probably due to good coaching from Vavra, Anderson, Gardy, and Ullger (and further back, Newman and Kelly), is that they always regardless of payroll, and regardless of lineup, seem to be perfectly capable of competing. A joy to watch. No stress when they lose, lots of gloating when they win, primarily because it's unexpected. 87 and 91 WS champs? With those lineups? How do you not just fall in love with them? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thought they'd pull it out tonight. Personally, I'm shocked that Moose doesn't need to be put out to pasture despite what I said after his first few starts. You know the Twins far beter than I do but one of my first Twins' memories was their first game at THTRB in '91 -- some fans near us had a sheet sign "Pags, forever a Yankee". Won't forget that. PS, I accepted and think it's ready to go live when you're next on line. I studied on the train home, and now you see who the e-mail was and why I wanted to wait for his input. I don't know Wiz that well, but based on your comments I'd clearly be including him with you, Jayron and DGG as quality admins who can explain things very well. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 04:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I was looking back through some of my past contribs and AfDs (aforementioned skeleton hunt) and found Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Pulizzi which I remember as a 'whew' when it closed as in 'did I make the right call?'-- except I didn't remember until I looked now that you were the closing admin there. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 04:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)`

Isn't it an amazing season when, after New York beats the Rays, it's considered a mild upset and a surprise victory? Amazing. Thought my boys would come back again myself. Last time we got boofed in the first inning (gave up 6 runs in the 1st inning before recording 2 outs against Detroit), we came back and won, bottom 9th, two outs, 7-6 final. Lovin it, thought we had it again last night. Only 121 games to go!  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

His name is Boof! That's right up there with Joba who I still want to add "the Hut" although I haven't seen Star Wars. It's only recently that a large chunk of the Yankees are younger than me and in addition to feeling old, I worry about their common sense in cases such as these. It makes me think about Van Lingle Mungo, his song and Hondo Hurricane. I feel loved, I wouldn't have if Kurt hadn't found some reason to oppose. To me that's an RfA right of passage. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of "rites of passage", this is another one that proves to me that you know exactly what you're doing at AfD. Don't sweat it. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! On a totally unrelated note, I just got a wonderful graduation gift that you'll appreciate --- a ticket to Saturday's Yankees - Mets game! Happy Happy Cari :) _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

<outdent>Why would I appreciate tickets to a game for two teams that I despise?. Just kidding, both stadiums are on my to-do list if I ever go east. I'm afraid I'll miss my chances at Yank though... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Shea is gone too this year, but you're not missing much. Nothing spectacular there. I've been to Candlestick, SkyDome, Dodger Stadium and the stadium where the Marlins played in 2003 -- missing a fair few. o:) Seen Camden Yards, Fenway and the Astrodome, but never been inside. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

RfR

Responded on my talk page. Thanks! :) Acalamari 21:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Favour as someone who sometimes just likes to read articles...

Hi Keeper, I got notified about an article, Robert F. Kennedy assassination, being packed with conspiracy theories and it looked like this when I started. Today I managed to finish off a few outstanding issues like some refs, MOS issues that came up from an automated peer review and the like. I was wondering if you could do me a very simple favour: just read it. No editing required, just read the article as it is now and let me know what you think of it, positive and negative (there will hopefully be some of the former). Problem is that the editors who frequent it tend to be SPAs or POV-pushers, who either don't like the fact that vast swathes have been removed or just don't care enough to comment, so, as you have expressed a love of sometimes just reading, and as you are impartial and I value your opinion, I came to you. If you like, have a look at the original version and see if anything good has been lost. If you can't/don't want to, that's not a problem Fritzpoll (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm going offline in about 1/2 hour, I'll read it in the morning though. Thanks F-poll. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No, thank you - you'll be doing be a huge favour Fritzpoll (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

What a massive amount of cleanup! Wow, that was a mess before. It's amazing how an article of that nature will slowly degrade over time. What was once a good description of a notable event, sentence by sentence, gets eroded. You did a barnstar's amount of work to that one. It reads very smoothly, anything of "contentiousness" or "controversy" is cited properly, the uber-fringe stuff is removed. The "alternative" theories are presented NPOV. Wow. I'm thoroughly impressed, Fritzpoll. I'm also watchlisting the article to get at least one more set of eyes on it. Nice work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer

Thanks very much for reading it over - I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'll take a stab at nominating this for GA, I think - if nothing else it'll point out further improvements Fritzpoll (talk) 14:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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RE: IP "vote" on Rfa

Ah. Well you learn something new everyday (or every hour on Wikipedia)

Thanks for informing me. Regards, CycloneNimrod^Talk? 20:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll get right on it ;) haha. See you around! Regards, CycloneNimrod^Talk? 21:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

New section in order to let the behemoth above archive... eventually :)

I call this a good start, headed off line for a good chunk of the evening but I'll be back to address more questions or anything later. Thanks again for all your non-coaching guidance through this. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I agree, it's an excellent start. You've done a terrific job answering questions that have popped up (as if I ever any doubt). Don't worry, only 6 and 1/2 days to go!  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll survive it. As I said on Brew's page, I think it's been fair. Kurt is Kurt and will find a reason to oppose almost anyone, Le Grand Roi and I tend to be on opposite sides of AfDs and so I'm not surprised there, DGG raised a good question and while I don't agree with the AfDs Icewedge selected, s/he acknowledged that it wasn't a full analysis so c'est la vie. I learnt some fun stuff today -- Wikipedia:Deletion today, which was a log I never knew, and am in general enjoying it. Thanks for the kick in the ass to do it. Have a good evening, hope your Twinkies do better -- Ian Kennedy once again let the Yankees down. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I never knew about "deletion today" either. Watchlisting that bastard. And the Twins just lost in extra innings to the Jays. Swept by the Jays in three games. At home. So aggravating. Still love my boys though.. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't until CycloneNim linked me to a discussion there for my input. I like the questions I've had too -- let me really think. I didn't see any of the Yankees game today because it was a 4pm start and I was at work and then at an opening at the Museum of the City of New York (I'm a museum geek on *and* off wiki). Know what you mean, my first Yankee memories are the golden days of Stump Merrill so I know what bad teams look like -- I just hope this team finds its talent. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

...and I'm hoping they don't! I guess we have nothing in common. If you ever run for adminship, I'll be sure to oppose. Oh wait. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

do I need to give you another foam bat black eye? :-p I'd like to be a TV admin to find something worth watching... _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

FYI

Keeper,

Your comments here are why I consider you basically my de factor mentor. I saw how much Kurt upset you a few weeks ago regarding a certain topic, yet you are spot on here with your response to a proposal of his ban. I have a big question mark for so many admins... thank god there is someone I can rely on. OK I'm done blowing sunshine up your ass... let's go and disagree on another RfA. :)) Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 22:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your support, as always Gwynand. You owe me a de facto support at the next Rfa that I like and you don't :-) (Joking of course). I'm afraid it isn't over yet, I just undeleted the talkpage of Al tally/Majorly. We'll see how it goes. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Just got back from a bar. I certainly need it. What in the hell has been going on with Majorly? Not just today, but what were the circumstances around his name change. It feels like my memory of him was always a solid admin, very influential, good for the project. Im aware of some prior controversy... but still. A few days ago Al Tally responded to me in an uncivil manner... a huge surprise to me, the first distinctly uncivil comment to me by any editor in a long time. This whole episode has concerned me. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 02:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Help?

Hey...any chance you can tell me what Squids and Chips is trying to do at List of Arthur episodes? Take a look at his contributions, and at the results thereof, and tell me WTF I'm seeing--looks like he's trying to interwiki to Welsh or something? and about that category, ??? I'm mortally confused. (I'm also perplexed by all the Wikidramaz lately, but I'm sure everyone else is as well.) Thanks for the help...Gladys J Cortez 23:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

P.S. GO CAILLOU!!! lulz...

Wikidrama? What's that? Never heard of it!...Oh that....I'll take a looksee in a jiff, GjC. BTW, I've been able to convince a couple of worthy editors to throw there hat in the RfA gauntlet I mean ring. Still no interest ? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Snooped a bit. I've got to be honest, based on his talkpage/his contribs, I don't see the problem? Give me a specific diff? In all honesty, I think xe means well, maybe just needs some collaborative guidance. Give me a diff of whatever is confusing you..... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I talked to him a bit, and actually learned something--apparently the things he was adding only show up if there are others like them. So, the interwiki link only shows up if there are other interwiki links; the category reference only shows up if there are other cats present. At least, that's how I understood what he explained...User talk:Squids and Chips#Arthur eps Read that and tell me if I've interpreted it correctly...I've got to admit, the complex nuances of wiki-markup tend to screw me up. Something to work on in case I ever think about becoming an admin, I guess. (BTW, I've been following the RyRy5 saga, and I want to say, I think you're BOTH doing an awesome job--you as mentor, him as a shining example of WHY we shouldn't bite newbies, even if they don't seem helpful at first. (waves to RyRy5 down the page--Hi RyRy!) So both of you, keep it up!) --Oh, and in response to your "any interest?" question...I'm beginning to lean that way, but there are aspects of adminship which unnerve me greatly. I suspect at least SOME of this nervousness involves fear of the unknown...is there any comprehensive guide anywhere as to what, exactly, adminship involves? Gladys J Cortez 03:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

A comprehensive guide to adminship is located here. Heh. No, but seriously, there are options. new admin school is for "practicing with the buttons" in a safezone, interesting read, but useless without the buttons. Also, good info can be found at the reading list, and the how-to guide. Also, my talk page is always open. I'll assume the immediate concern is "under control" with S'n'C? Also, the RyRy "saga" continues, read below, read his userpage. His latest DYK was cut/paste copyright problem. Sigh...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Shoot. I was genuinely happy about the DYK, too - even told my GF about it last night. Ah well. Tan | 39 14:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You talk to your girlfriend about Wikipedia editors? Freak....:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ha! I started to retort, then... well, yer right :-) Tan | 39 14:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried talking to my wife about wikipedia once. It didn't go over well. I think she would rather I drink. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs

My wife would probably rather I work when at work. Like right now. That said, we don't talk about Wikipedia. She's not exactly a "fan" (she's a Univ. professor, teaches composition/research writing courses - wrote the curriculum herself) When we do talk about Wikipedia, we both drink after. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

And I know what you mean about "rather drink". Far less addictive to drink than to edit...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Haha, Keeper, it looks like we are in the same boat. Drinking is probably the other habit I have that my wife would like me to cut back on, but she thinks in moderation would be fine. She simply doesn't understand the point of spending any time editing wikipedia, although she is playful about that. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Climate of North America

I created it and it passed DYK nomination. It should appear on the mainpage in a while. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work my friend! Way to bounce back! Looking forward to seeing it. What day do you think it will be there? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, it ws created on May 11. Most likely tomorrow. Steve said it was good also. -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 01:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! I'll watch for it tomorrow...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It is on the mainpage now! It appeared at exactly 4:10, May 16 (UTC). -- RyRy5 (talk ♠ Review) 04:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, nice! Great job, Ry. Take a screenshot :-) Tan | 39 05:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

• Hello Keeper, I have raised some concerns about the above article at User talk:RyRy5#Climate of North America. As one of his mentors I would be interested in your input. Thanks, EJF (talk) 11:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah crap, RyRy. What were you thinking? We cannot, repeat Can Not, copy text directly from other websites and pass it off as our own. You cannot do that in school either, it's called plagiarism. In Wiki world, it's called copyright enfringement. Is there a logical explanation for this that I'm not seeing? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

He's not gonna be happy when he gets home from school today... Was RyRy warned on copyright issues in the past? Assuming he admits wrong-doing and agrees not to do it again... this is not a blockable offense, correct? Just personally trying to learn some of the admin nuisances. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It's very much a blockable offense. See the last couple of threads of his talkpage. Not the first warning (not even the second warning). And now, his "contributions" are being submitted by him to DYK. His most recent "Mainpage" appearance was a ripoff, by all appearances. He's offline ATM it seems. I think he's used up his last last warning before getting a block though. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, so if a block occurred, it wouldn't be considered punitive, but rather preventative, because the user-in-question has continued to enfringe copyright after several warnings? I wasn't fully aware of the history. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 14:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

He won't (or shouldn't) be blocked before he has a chance to defend/explain himself, for exactly that reason you stated - blocks aren't punitive. If he continues doing what he's doing from this point forward, after showing evidence that he has received and understands the severity and seriousness of the problem (sooo much bigger of a problem then silly little "rollback" issues), I'll block him myself. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Aw, dammit. I just have to ask, as one former teacher to another: WHAT the HELL are they teaching these kids anymore??? Has the whole No Child Left Behind/standardized-test-o-rama thing gotten SO all-consuming that we no longer teach the most basic concepts like "you can't copy other people's writing and try to pass it off as your own"?? Or--and may the Flying Spaghetti Monster forgive me for invoking THIS one--you know, "thou shalt not steal"?? (Can't believe I just invoked a commandment. My former-Catholicism is showing.) But seriously: "don't copy and paste" is not an issue kids instinctively grasp; the fact that RyRy made it to Wikipedia-editing age without having that be as much a part of his rote knowledge as "3 + 2 = 5" is, IMHO, more a reflection on the adults who failed to teach him so. (Now--having said that--this in NO WAY absolves RyRy from the stain of this latest offense. Repeatedly ignoring the warnings about copyright/copy-paste, once it's been well and thoroughly explained to him that he CAN'T DO THAT--and it has!--is utterly and completely without question RyRy's fault, and for that I'm HUGELY disappointed. "I didn't know" is only a viable excuse the FIRST time; after that, since you KNOW better, you're expected to DO better.) MAN, this saddens me way more than it ought to. Gladys J Cortez 17:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

On just a quick glance at that article, I was rather surprised that anyone would have believed that RyRy had written it. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

It does slightly bother me that this made it through to DYK, but that's here nor there at this point. 40 hail mary's won't fix it I'm afraid. I'm hoping he'll grasp (finally) the severity of what he's doing. RyRy, if you're reading this, cheating on a math test gets you an F, maybe a detention day, or parent conference. No biggie in the scheme of things. Just cheating. Copying someone else's work off a website, and writing a book report that's due for English class gets you an F, maybe a detention day, or parent conference. No biggie in the scheme of things. Just cheating. But this is a public website. With a free use license. Anything typed here can be copied, changed, used elsewhere. Anytime. By anyone. Including this very sentence. And including this very next sentence. Taking someone else's writing, from someone else's webpage, when that someone else says at the bottom "Don't take this, it's copyrighted", and putting it on Wikipedia is an OTRS ticket waiting to happen. Not cool. Very very blockable. And very very disappointing. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) Just to be fair to RyRy, and a comment to Gladys... I'm not sure how old you think RyRy is, but I'd say it's very likely he's quite young... I'm not going to throw out age numbers here guessing, but I'd say that when I was his age I probably didn't fully understand the differences between plagiarism and improper sourcing. So one might say that it's surprising that in all of his years of schooling that he didn't get this... but let's take a step back and admit that he might not really have been through too many years of schooling yet. When it comes to editing articles, of course age doesn't give you an advantage, nor will being young get you off the hook for anything. I guess I'm just saying I think his age has a lot more to do with this than his inability to understand plagiarism. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The issue here as I see it applies to Rollback and copyvio. Just how many times do you have to be told 'don't do it' before you get it? That's the issue and would be if he were 2, 20, or 200. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Yes, it is not remotely reasonable to expect that someone his age could understand this issue. It's also not remotely reasonable to expect that someone of his age could be a constructive contributor to an encyclopedia. Yet, we have a bunch of people who expect exactly that, despite the ever-growing mound of evidence that it's not working out. I asked him at User_talk:RyRy5/Archive_7/4-25-08#Copyright_violation to please wait until they have covered this stuff in school. However, like every other piece of advice he's gotten that amounts to "Slow down, and stop doing things you don't understand", he's ignored it. I see little reason to expect he'll magically start "getting it" anytime soon. Friday (talk) 17:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(E/c w/ Friday, this was to TCari) The key difference though, is that if you screw up with rollback, that's intra-wiki. Pisses off Wikipedians maybe, chases a n00b, whatever. Annoying, yes. Fixable. If you screw up with copyvio, repeatedly, that's now messing with stuff way way over his head. If that continues to be a problem, I will not hesitate to block him to prevent him from doing more damage, I don't care how old he is. All the more reason in fact, and I like the kid. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

To Gwynand and Friday, with a great deal of respect: From my best guess (and from vague memories of something I read on an AN/ANI thread somewhere a while back), I figure RyRy is about 15. I taught English/reading/writing/computer for junior high (Keeper76 was also a j-hi teacher, if I remember that conversation correctly!) and my students were 12 or 13 years old. Granted, this was just before the Internet became a Really Huge Deal, but my students understood clearly the concept of "you can't word-for-word copy stuff someone else wrote and say you wrote it. You can't do it with whole sentences, you can't do it with whole paragraphs, you can't do it with whole essays." (And you know who understood it the BEST? The ones who got caught doing it once and had it explained to them thoroughly, with the risk of consequences hanging over their heads. You know, like we've done to RyRy.) The point at which their understanding faltered was MUCH more nuanced than that--it was the part at which you also couldn't rearrange the words subtly while maintaining the same meaning or idea. The part they didn't understand was that there had to be synthesis--information from different sources comes together in YOUR OWN words (unless properly attributed) and forms a new way of stating the idea. That was with 7th-graders. RyRy, I think, is a bit older than that, and eminently intelligent enough to comprehend the basic notion--ESPECIALLY after having been told "don't do that!" more than once, and so the whole "too young to get it" disclaimer...well, I respectfully disagree. But Friday--I'm afraid I'm perhaps beginning to have thoughts along the same line as yours, which makes me sad. Gladys J Cortez 17:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree strongly with Keeper and Friday. I just posted a long message to Steve Crossin here on his talk page. I'm really not sure suggesting further adopting/coaching for RyRy is the best way to go. He just has to learn this stuff the way the rest of us did--and not to offend anyone--but most of us here are simply not technically professionals when it comes to teaching kids (Keeper may have used to be?). Let's not just assume that we can/should teach him this stuff. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 17:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(Outdent for the sake of ECs, etc). Oh I agree re: copyvio being more of a problem and to be totally honest, the whole lot of them drive me slightly insane. Ignoring the fact that the internet didn't exist for the general public at that point, I wasn't trying to write an encyclopedia at his age. I think there's a limit to how much can be taught and expect to be reasonably understood -- and I say that as someone who has taught people of that age. There's a limit and I don't care if you're Mother Teresa. If they don't want to/can't 'get it' so amount of mentoring is going to help. He's dead set on being an admin and people keeping telling him "you need to do x" so that's what he does. I don't think I was any different at that age, but I also don't think he has the experience/maturity/whatever to do more than puppet. If he can't puppet, he's going to do what he can to puppet, i.e. copyvio. Let him design user pages if thats what he wants -- no it's not MySpace but I think it's better than him repeatedly failing to do much here. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I used to be a teacher at his age/grade level for years, teaching English/grammar/writing. (and Math - dont' ask) Students in his age/grade level write reports, and they know explicitly that copying is wrong. They know that from kindergarten. Age is not an excuse. On wiki copying, repeatedly, after being warned, does not help his case either. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ditto, that's why I said 'don't want to get it' -- he wants the DYK/GA "status" and he'll do whatever it takes to get it. It's not a productive use of anyone's time, his own included. Some learn, Dusti was one. Others can't/won't. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dusti was at least a half decade older, which certainly helped. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably, both benefitted from being taken under an experienced editor's wing (I haven't had the interaction with Steve that I have with you) and Dusti made better use of it. I agree with what Friday said below re: college students but still, there's a limit to what everyone can do. Until such time as a person understands the norms of a group, they cannot effectively be part of said group. That's from my anthro class but I think it applies here. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I found another instance of copyright violation here. All his content additions should be checked. Cenarium (talk) 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure that it's a copyvio. It appears that RyRy5 says that he "expands", or "create head" when he's actually restoring an old version of an article, see [4], [5], [6]. I'm really tempted by AN, this behavior is unacceptable and has been tolerated for a long time. It sounds like he wants to fool us.Cenarium (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

So basically what he's been doing is taking places where vandalism occurs in two consecutive edits, undoing the recent edit, and restoring the earlier version as if it were his own (when essentially he's just reverting the first vandalism edit). Metros (talk) 22:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I noticed something like that a few days ago- a substantial, well-written edit with a summary of "expand". I thought to myself "there's no way this is his work.. what's going on here?" Looking at the history, I saw it was just a revert. It's odd, but I'm not convinced he's been intentionally misleading with the edit summary. Incompetence can explain it just as easily. Friday (talk) 22:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but consider the copyright violations, I'm convinced that he wants that people believe that he's a good article writer. We know that he terribly wants the mop. He's ready to give up his "wikifriends" for that, he said that he supported the block of Nothing444, that he would have opposed the RFA of Basketball110. He swiftly walked away from the cabal stuff when it was not to his advantage any more. I don't think that it's innocent. Cenarium (talk) 22:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 03:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)  Done Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Well, I guess I’m an admin now. Thanks for your support at my recent request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 13:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This is one of the best thank-spams ever! Your first sentence is a gem. You'll do well, best of luck to you, enjoy the buttons, and all that jazz. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Crime victim notability

posting here because I'm 90% sure you were involved in the discussion that I now can't find, or if you weren't someone else watching was. 69.140 raised a good question on my talk page about crime victim notability and as I said, I know there was discussion on this and a proposal for a guideline that addressed this. Of course I can no longer remember who proposed it or where the discussion lived. Any chance you remember? Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

He blew his mind out in a car. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 13:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dang your fast. Sheesh! E/C, trying to post the same thing....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

and now I e/c'ed -- thanks both of you! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 14:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

So is Keeper now notable for being such a vandal? :-p _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a group called WP:HAU, (look into adding yourself if you want, you definitely "qualify".) with new userbox that is supposed to autopopulate a category. But it doesn't. I've tried to fix it. I caint. I've given up. No more vandalism. Definitely a BLP1E situation. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Seen the group around when Useight was notifying a couple of people on my watchlist but wasn't sure if you had to be invited. I have no idea when userboxes autopop -- bummer that you couldn't make it work. I;m off to check out the group now. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 16:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That RfA link

As I said, I didn't want to keep using Balloonman's page for that conversation. Anyway, thanks for posting the link to that RfA. To me, other people's jumping the gun to vote early is not a valid reason to oppose someone's RfA. That strikes me as frankly ridiculous. The error is on the part of the early voters, not the nominee. Aleta ^Sing 15:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You're absolutely right Aleta. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Aleta, I agree, it is not a valid reason to oppose an RfA. However, it should be noted that in cases where there is unnecesary over-nominating and several supports (or opposes) pre-transclusion, that is still a problem for that RfA. There is still a lot drive-by voting on RfAs, and it's not that crazy to think that an RfA transcluded with several support votes will be more likely to continue garnering them with not enough attention actually given to the candidate. It's a tough situation, because even pointing out the problem in neutral or discussion will still be unfair to the candidate, but it is unfair to the community if an RfA becomes improperly skewed in any direction. Wisdom got somewhat derailed by it, but at the same time I found the concerns valid, it was sad to see it having a negative effect on him. The point is that it shouldn't have a positive effect either, which it certainly can. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 15:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh. I completely agree with that too! You're like 3 for 3 today Gwynand! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if if would be possible for someone to code the RfA template such that it would not be possible to vote before transclusion. The transclusion would turn it "on" in effect. Aleta ^Sing 15:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I back away slowly with template work. Not sure if that's possible other than maybe a very stern warning in the edit window. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

When I create a nom, I always add a hidden comment telling people not to support until the RfA goes live as early votes can derail the candidate. I also try to tell the candidate to make sure there are no supports when they transclude it. (I'm not worried about early opposes---removing an early oppose might garner more opposition!)Balloonman (talk) 16:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it all just depends on people's moods. For example, looking at different AN and ANI threads right now, you'd think the world was ending. I just transcluded my most recent nom yesterday, with my support (and the co-noms) both "prefilled". No one said boo. Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I recently stumbled across a very enlightening thread on SandyGeorgia's talkpage, and have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiments of the editors there. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The world is ending. Just wanted to point that out.Enigma ^message 17:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

spammer

Please take a look. Enigma ^message 17:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You're turn to look. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Right, well he did it also on WT:ADMIN. It seems to be an account created to promote a company. Enigma ^message 17:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Didn't notice it there. If I'm trying to get my company added to Wikipedia quietly, covertly, I suppose that would be the first place I'd add it too. Heh. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah well. Hopefully the account will be blocked if it comes back to spam again. Enigma ^message 17:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy

Just to let you know, ther's a discussion about RyRy on my talk page. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 17:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a discussion about RyRy on everyone's talkpage. Mine, his...I'll look at yours too Steve. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This user, despite everyone having "adopted" him as the Young Apprentice of Wikipedia, takes up way too much of editors' time and resources. While it's regretful and the knee-jerk reaction is probably to discuss this ad nauseum all day and give him some sort of "final warning", the glaring reality is that this problem is not likely to go away. I'm not explicitly endorsing a block here, but I do think everyone needs to move on and spend time on more constructive issues. I had a boss once who told me, "If you think you're spending too much time trying to make a person better, you are." I didn't necessarily agree with my boss there, but I think it applies here. Tan | 39 17:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No email?!

I was surprised to find you don't have an email address specified.. Send me one if you like, and I'll reply. Friday (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

See my User page, under "Administrator-y stuff". I've never enabled email, never will. (Gasp! What if you lose your password! /gasp) Que sera. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, damn. Many people solve this problem by making an email account specifically for Wikipedia stuff. But, no matter. I almost always prefer things be done in the open, also. I was going to say a thing or two that I'd prefer be less public, but it's not all that important. Friday (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If it can't be said here, then I don't want it anyway. And, because I primarily edit from a work computer, that has some serious filters because of the nature of my work, I can't access web-based email/gmail/yahoo/whatever. So even if I wanted a generic Wiki-email, I couldn't. Oh, well. Although, you have certainly piqued my curiousity....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Part of it was just this: I'm married to a college instructor. An appalling number of her college students don't understand how to source things properly. Maybe they teach this in some schools, but it's clearly not universal. It's also possible they've mostly all been taught this, and some of them choose to forget about it. Friday (talk) 18:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(to Friday e/c)As I said in a thread somewhere (probably here) today, I'm also married to a tenured college professor. Wrote the curriculum for a Research Writing course that she teaches. Where you are required to cite sources, cite everything. And yet, at least once per semester, some 22-year-old needs-this-last-English-credit-to-graduate, goes and rips off a source. Plagiarism. They know it's wrong. I believe it is universal. They've known it's wrong to copy since kindergarten. But there's pressure. Pressure to graduate. Pressure for good grades. In Wiki-world, RyRy has been "pressured" by wikipedian co-editors to perform "mainspace" editing. I'm guilty of doing it myself, even awarding a Barnstar (something I generally despise) for Baseball uniform. Argh. He needs to go back to user-subspace oblivion. Or get about 5 years older magically. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I echo that. Just a few years ago I was astonished when peer reviewing papers in some of my college classes. When I once questioned a student on taking word-for-word a section from an author's article, she claimed "That was just his opinions on Gandhi, not facts, so I don't need to source it." This was at an actual major university. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 18:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thritto. I defended my thesis this semester and everyone swaps past horror stories. One of the prime ones was from Dec '06, someone being found uduring their orals to have ripped off a large section. That's it -- done and done. Sad shame that could have been avoided, but wasn't. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 18:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

<outdent> Thritto. Just checking if this is redlink or blue link. Oops! Meant to hit preview! (Some of you will catch the irony of that last sentence. Some won't...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

...along the lines of a birthday card I saw once: "I was going to give you some cash for your birthday in this card, but I'd already sealed the envelope" Crap. I don't have a source for that....probably copyrighted too....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec)Could I vandalize your userpage and change the 1400+ admins thing? We have less than 1000 active administrators. Common misconception. Hundreds have quit the project and still have the bit. Enigma ^message 18:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

WFYB - Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I have proxy !voting rights for the 400 inactive admins. Whatever I say, they all automatically agree with me. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for waiting so long to disclose this, jerk. I think ArbCom is the only place for this one, really. An RfC won't cut it for someone who controls hundreds of admins by proxy. Enigma ^message 18:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, silly E-man. You assume I don't control ArbCom? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This has gone too far. If even Arbcom cannot help, we have only one choice left: we'll have to drive by his house and shout rude things at his dog. Friday (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

My beagle welcomes whatever you can throw at him. Literally. He'll frickin eat Whatever You Throw At Him. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This reminds me of an excerpt I recently read in Sports Illustrated. I don't want to clutter your talk page, so see my sandbox. Enigma ^message 01:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I just drove down the highway with two heavy bookcases strapped to the roof of a Camry. I'm up for driveby shouting. Who's with me? Enigma ^message 21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I as actually going to send you one of those templated notices like you use to alert someone for an AN/I thread, but I couldn't find one for ArbCom. Enigma ^message 22:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That's probably a good thing that you haven't seen one of those, or know where to find one. They do exist, and the fact that you don't know where to get one is a very good sign for you.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

bbbbut I wanted to send you a notice! <sobs>

<lies>{{ There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.</lies> Enigma ^message 00:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Not complaining ... just commenting

I have never been impressed when someone excuses their own bad behaviour as being caused by some else's bad behaviour. [7] I'm sure there's some wikimantra somewhere like WP:POINT that may make the case better than I can.

Fundamentally I believe that an apology ought not to include blame, else it's just the start of another argument. It appears that I'm in a minority of one on that issue though, so that's just set my next RfA back by another three months. I really can't understand how you administrators manage to live long enough to ever get through an RfA. :lol: :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't disagree. You missed the part where he called KMW a "troll". That said, it very much belongs in the "bygones" section. Also called the waste bin. Which is why I archived it before anyone got kicked to hard, yourself included :-) . Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

No doubt you were right to close what was in danger of becoming an unproductive and potentially acrimonious discussion. My own view on these matters is slightly different though, and best summed up by GBS; "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." I like to think of myself as the archetypal "unreasonable man". I only wish that there were more like me. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If it makes you feel any better, I find you completely unreasonable.  :-) Looking forward to nomming you for RfA#2, for that matter. A reasonable man would decline my offer...:) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe one day. It may be though that the new wikimedia software changes will encourage the unbundling of the admin tools, which I'd far prefer. I'd be happy with reviewer tools, and leave the vandal fighting and so on to you guys. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

F*** that. I never do "vandal fighting". Find it rather boring. Only what's in my watchlist, or brought to my attention. I'm not opposed to "unbundling" the tools though, just haven't seen a really good system/proposal set up yet. Until then, you'll hafta live with seven days of hell on earth. I'll nom you though. Nice to see you not sticking pins in your eyes whilst talking about Rfa... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't want the admin buttons, I spend far too much time on wikipedia as it is. My wife keeps asking me "Are you getting paid for this?" My RfA was just an offer to help out. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I've left a message for you on your talk, MF. I'm a stubborn little bugger. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Fordmadoxfraud‎

[8] "No need for all caps, EVER!"

That made me laugh, thanks. :D I feel ashamed it took me so long to get it. When don't you include something funny in a post?--Koji†Dude ^(C) 20:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

A priest, a rabbi, and a golfer all walked into a bar...nevermind. I'm finished for the day. Glad you enjoyed that. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In your recent edit to User:Keeper76, you added links to an article which did not add content or meaning, or repeated the same link several times throughout the article. Please see Wikipedia's guideline on links to avoid overlinking. Thank you. Enigma ^message 21:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

HELP! HELP! HE'S GONE ROGUE, OR SHOULD I SAY, ROUGE!!!! Enigma ^message 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

it was actually a redlink warning. that joke didn't work out too well Enigma ^message 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you just template a regular??? You bastard! I'm going to Arbcom with this e-man. You need to be stopped....(wink)Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

click me Enigma ^message 21:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I actually like that essay that DHMO wrote. A sanity check. (Oh, shit, there goes my chance at 'cratship...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

For the record I no longer hold that viewpoint. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Aye, mate, I don't hold that viewpoint either, I just said I liked the essay. :-) I didn't know it existed until recently and, being able to see deleted content and all, found it rather interesting is all. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

My mistake. Sorry, DMO. I forgot that Keeper, as admin, could view the essay, otherwise I just would've linked to the redlink essay. The reason I linked to the RfA was because it was the only place I knew of that discussed it. Enigma ^message 00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Fordmadoxfraud's RFA

I made a comment about your !vote at FMF's RFA, if you could take a look, that'd be great. Thanks. Useight (talk) 00:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)  Done. Sorry 'bout that Useight. Rephrased to mean what I meant :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Apology

Thanks for Archiving it... Majorly/Al Tally F'd up big time... but he was trying to make amends... even if it wasn't the way people necessarily wanted. To leave the thread open would have been a bad thing.Balloonman (talk) 05:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You're very welcome. Glad it (the archiving) held up, and glad Maj-al-orly-tally is back in business. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you stand another comment about it?

("It", of course, being the RyRy sitch. Man, I REALLY wish you had e-mail enabled, because THIS is the sort of thing I'd rather not say on-wiki!) Keeper, I would consider you one of my few "wiki-friends", and so it bugs me to have to say this, but in regard to the events of the past few days...somethin' ain't right. I can't say for sure WHAT, exactly, is going on, but my "somebody's-about-to-get-screwed-over" sense is tingling. (This is a fairly sharp sense, incidentally. I have been screwed over by people who, if screwing others over were an Olympic event, would have made at LEAST the alternates, if not the first team. So I know of whence I speak.) Tonight I was doing some mundane housework stuff, while thinking about what all has happened within the last week, and I just thought to myself, This just seems off-kilter somehow. And the last time I had this kind of sense about a Wikipedian, things went south pretty quickly (think Ryan Postlethwaite and Riana and mentorship). I'm not suggesting you should detach yourself completely--maybe everything is exactly as it seems on the surface--but...Just be careful. Don't put your reputation on the line, okay? I'd hate to see your good faith get abused. Just my opinion, though....Gladys J Cortez 06:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heeding. I'm not worried 'bout my reputation. I would need to have one first. :-) I'm not sure who you think is "about to get screwed over"...me? RyRy? Someone else? As far as I can tell, this is a pretty non-complex issue of a too-young editor making mistakes and getting unwanted attention for it. Tis no biggie. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Started writing this earlier, then got distracted and shut the doggone browser window...Anyway. Not trying to be all gloom-and-doom Cassandra about this--I'm just concerned. (Incidentally-it was you I was worried about, not Ry. And I disagree with your quip about not having a reputation to uphold, either--after all, if you didn't have a good reputation, your talk page wouldn't be such a popular place! :) As long as you're comfortable with events, that's the important thing. Gladys J Cortez 22:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank-spam

Keeper76, just a note of appreciation for your recent support of my request for adminship, which ended successfully with 112 supports, 2 opposes, and 1 neutral. If there's something I've realized during my RFA process this last week, it's that adminship is primarily about trust. I will strive to honour that trust in my future interactions with the community. Many thanks! Gatoclass (talk) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for reinstatement of deleted content

Hey there, again--tired of me yet? Anyway--A couple of days back there was this user, User:Webkinz Mania, who created an article called Sprout Sharing Show, about a show on PBS KIDS Sprout. Well, the user turned out to be a sock of perennial thorn-in-my-gluteus Jamesinc14, and in cleaning up after his sockification, JzG deleted the article. The article itself was useful, and I'd done a bit of work on it before I'd realized it was a sock that had created it (aren't admins supposed to check the history before they delete an article like that?) Anyway, I asked JzG if the article could be restored--or, lacking that, if I could have the deleted content back; his reply [9] came off to me as somewhere between "No, too trivial" and "Maybe later--I've got more-important things to do." Either way, he's not the guy I want to piss off by nagging him on something he's already characterized as insignificant--any chance you could either a)reinstate the article, or b)undelete it to my userspace? I understand if that's not considered sporting in the world of admins--if that's the case, I'll just brace myself and go visit the lion in his den again. :) (I have no problems with JzG--he's a good admin--but he's just known to be a bit...snappish, would be one word for it. And, on-wiki as well as off-, I have an aversion to other people's anger.) Either way, thanks for taking the time to read this... Gladys J Cortez 12:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Sprout" ranks right up there with "Caillou". Actually, I was watching Sprout this morning over breakfast with my 2.5 year old. I hate that he loves it. Especially because I DVR'ed my Twins game from last night, haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I'll put it in your userspace though, seems a reasonable request. You'll be able to find it a the link User:Gladys j cortez/Sprout Sharing Show as soon as it goes blue. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

See, if I was an eeeeevil person, I'd spill the Twins result--but that would mean I'd hafta look it up, and I'm not THAT mean--esp not to someone who's just done me a favor!! lol...Actually I don't so much mind Sprout. I'll occasionally put it on as background noise if there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE on TV. Anyway, THANK YOU so much for taking care of that deleted article--now I have to go figure out how to move my first page! Gladys J Cortez 22:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Just click "move". (it's on the top of the page, next to "delete". O, wait. I mean, next to "history"....:-) Whenever I watch Sprout, I can't help but cry for the "hosts" that hafta talk like they enjoy talking to 4 year olds. The two genteleman (names escape me) that are sprout regulars look, to me, like they probably drink a lot. You know, because of the route their acting careers took...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Hello, I am contacting you because you're a member of the League of Copyeditors. Would you be interested in taking a look at Highlander: The Series (season 1) which is currently a Featured List Candidate ? The quality of the prose is the only remaining objection to its promotion and I would really appreciate your help. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Aye, sorry! Just saw this message down here. I'll be happy to look at your FLC, what's your timeline? I'm generally not online on the weekends other than, well, right now. I'll be offline most likely till Monday. If you need assistance before that, just leave a message here with a "nevermind". If you haven't even seen this message until Monday ;-), then we can go to work! I spend way to much time loitering around here anyway, I need to exert some effort....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar notice

		The Special Barnstar
		For making me, and most everyone else, laugh at WT:RFA ([10]) Stifle (talk) 16:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

heh. Well, I suppose. If you can't laugh at this insane website, (and especially that insane talkpage), you can't laugh at anything. Appreciate it, Stifle, much obliged. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Re Talk Page

Yep, It's all sorted out now. Thanks. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 18:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Good luck! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

RyRy5

Keeper, what do you make of this new DYK User_talk:RyRy5#5.2F17_DYK? MBisanz ^talk 23:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

not keeper but a comment, why does he get a DYK when he did not a thing according to the article's history? I don't see the point in awarding a DYK for an article that the nom has never even touched. I guess that's an issue with the process more than anything. Just my .02 _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 00:25, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can nominate (including you, including me, and including RyRy) any new or extensively expanded article for DYK, whether they contributed to the article build or not. RyRy has much bigger problems right now than silly little DYK barnstars though. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw your warning not to accept DYKs from him and didnt know what should be done. All clear. MBisanz ^talk 00:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You did the right thing (as always) MBisanz, although I'm not RyRy's keeper. I'm just Keeper. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You're *everyone's* Keeper, I think that's why your talk page needs to archive as frequently as it does-otherwise you'd be in DGG territory in about one week. That said, my new laptop can handle DGG's and I love it -- not limited to reading him from work. And now that's gone and gotten another song in my head _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 01:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Just one thing I don't understand, why does everyone think I'm a kid?--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 01:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You've stated in more than one place, Ryan, that you are a certain age. Unless you are lying, other Wikipedians have no recourse but to assume you're telling the truth, and that you are in middle school (like the userbox on your userpage says so). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Userbox? -- Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 01:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I haven't looked at your userpage in a while, but you used to have a userbox that said "this user is in middle school". That's all I was saying. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall adding a user box like that. I may have added it by mistake. When I was a beginner editor here, I didn't know much about templates and userboxes so I copied all of a user's userboxes and added it to my user page. I may have got that user box by mistake. I have been removing my userboxes if you haven't noticed and I may have removed it a long time ago. Please note that I am WP:COOL. There's just some confusion here that I am trying to solve. But due to my new laptop, things could be slow until I can fix my PC.--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 01:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. You do understand that, regardless of your age, (and I don't care what your age is), that copyrighted/copied material is unacceptable? I'm washing my hands of this, and of any responsibility of you and your editing. I wish you all the best. I'll give you advice if you ask for it. But I am not your keeper, I will not be your guide, I'm not your adopter, and I will not be responsible for your editing, right or wrong. Don't take that too harshly, but I need to move on. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've thought

If both you and iridescent are willing to add your co-noms to [11], then I'll go for it again. I've thought long and hard about the many inevitable opposes, and I'll take what I can from them. As Rudyard Kipling said "If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, And treat those two impostors just the same ..." about sums up how I feel right now. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Added co-nom, replied on your talkpage. And then wet myself with anticipation. Going offline in a bit here, gone till Monday morning US time. My first stop will be WP:RFA. It better be live by then. If it tanks, don't leave. It won't tank. It shoulda passed last time, got ridiculously derailed through no fault of your own. Read my co-nom to understand how serious I am about your worthiness for adminship. Cheers my friend, thanks for not sticking pins in your eyes....:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If it tanks, it tanks. It won't kill me, and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I'll still be here ploughing my furrow no matter what the outcome. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You missed one...

Have just skimmed through your "quotes" page — all well and good, but are you aware that you don't have the single greatest piece of trolling of all time on there? I just love the fact that at least two of our Very Established And Respected Admins took it seriously. — iridescent 00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Heh. That's an f-in hilarious thread. I've always liked that "forgetaboutit" guy (I can never spell his name right). My subpage is open, feel free to add it if you want to...) (and thanks for the chuckle, that thread was before my time...) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)