Firstly, thanks for dropping by and even considering alerting me to whatever it is needs my attention. Too many people in this day and age act first, talk later. Secondly, if I've royally screwed up, I'm sorry. I try very hard to not make mistakes, but I am a real human being and as such and just as fallible as you, perhaps more so. What this means is basically, yeah, once in a while I accidentally revert good faith edits as vandalism, I have more than once PRODed a page that shouldn't be deleted, sometimes I misspell obscure multisyllabic words, and, this is the kicker, quite often I have no idea what the hell I'm doing. So, in return for my apology, I would really appreciate it if you could remain civil and tell me what I have done wrong with a minimum of finger pointing so I can fix it and we can get on with our lives. If you really, honestly feel that you have to vandalise this page, be my guest, I won't report it and I might even enjoy it if you're creative enough. But please, no anti-semitic or homophobic slurs. I get enough of that in real life, I don't particularly want to deal with it here.
If I deleted your page and you want to know why...
Q:Hey, you deleted my page! A: That's entirely possible.
Q:So, what gives? I worked really hard on that. A: Well, it could be any number of things. Because I'm a new admin, for now I restricting my use of the delete button to really obvious cases only, which in Wiki-speak we call Candidates for Speedy Deletion. There are a ton load of things that might have qualified your article for speedy deletion, but the chances are relatively high that 1.it was an attack page, or 2. it was blatant advertisement, aka Spam.
Q:What's an attack page? A: An attack page is a page which exists solely to degrade another person. Whether this person is your sister's ex-boyfriend, your mean old English teacher, or Tom Cruise. In fact the subject of an attack page doesn't even have to be real to qualify it for speedy deletion, because the fact remains that an encyclopedia has no need for an article that consists solely of "John Doe is gay." It serves no purpose. No one, except perhaps John Doe and his partner, gives one iota that he is gay.
Q:Well, how do I know if my page was an attack page? A: Did you create a page about a person, real or fake, and write negative things about them?
Q:You said "for one thing," doesn't that sort of imply that there's more? A: Oh, of course. I got off on a bit of a rant there, didn't I?
Q:Yes, yes you did. A: Okay, the second thing is, if the person you wrote your attack about is real and whether he or she is notable or not, unless you have actual factual verifiable references with which to back up your sources, the page will immediately be deleted as a BLP concern, because we have strict rules governing articles about real people. The Wikimedia cabal Foundation could be held legally liable if the information contained within said articles could be construed as libel.
Q:Oi vey, big Words... A: Just be careful when you're writing about living people.
Q:Sounds fair enough. What about spam pages, what's that? A: Spam could be one of two things: a mystery meat that I am quite sure is not Kosher, or blatant advertisement that no one wants to read. You know, the stuff that clogs your inbox day in and day out with offers for natural male enhancement, even though you are most definitely a female? Anyway,we get a lot of that on Wikipedia too, and most of the time it is immediately deleted, often by myself. It's one of my pet peeves.
Q:One of my pages was deleted as spam, but I didn't intentionally write it as an advertisement. Why was it deleted? A: Most of the spammy pages are written by someone within the company trying to use Wikipedia as the free directory that everyone can advertise [in]. But sometimes, editors who have no ties to the company or product just get a little over-excited and forget to adhere to our neutral point of view. It happens from time to time, especially in a world where we are taught to write as flowery as possible. You might consider reading some of our policies and you can always ask questions if you are unsure.
Q:I'm pretty sure my page was not an attack page, or an advertisement. Why else might you have deleted it? A: It might have been any of the other criteria for speedy deletion, including patent nonsense (no salvageable content), copyright infringement, test pages, and word-for-word recreation of material deleted per a deletion discussion. To be sure, check the logs. Follow this link: Special:Log, select "Deletion Log" in the drop down menu, and then type the name of the page. The admin who deleted the page will have left a short note explaining why the page was deleted.
Q:I really think that the article could be improved, but when I recreate it, it only gets deleted again. What do I do? A: In many (but not all) cases, I can restore it for you and move it to your userspace where you can improve upon it at your own pace. For instructions, check out the next section.
This thread will not be archived because several pages on WP:ANI link to it.
Hi - I think Hopiakuta is asking to have a phone consultation - several of his comments have obliquely talked about that, and I think that's what he's referring to when he points to your sig - the "talk to me" part. I saw him saying something similar somewhere else, and I'm finally adding it up. It's all very bizarre. I don't have the time, nor the needed background, to sort through his technical issues, but I wonder if someone might be able to step up for this. He has something to say - it's just not getting to us. Nice to meet you, by the way. Tvoz|talk 22:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, it's nice to meet you too. I would agree that he is asking for a phone conversation... but I'm young and not all that well spoken, and I don't feel comfortable with talking to someone I don't know over the phone. Add that to the fact that I don't really feel qualified. I have experience w/ autistic and developmentally disabled people but this is, well it's very different. Parts of it do seem autistic, the problem with taking things out of context is almost aspergers-like... but I'm not getting that vibe otherwise. I just don't think I could do it justice, but I don't really know anyone who could. Maybe someone at the accessibility project? It seems that the person he connected with the most is Graham, but he seems to have stopped paying attention to the page. Maybe if we brought this back to his attention he could lend some ideas. Frankly, I'm at a loss, but I don't want to give up on this guy yet. L'Aquatiquetalktome 05:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's how I feel too - you probably saw I brought this to AN/I initially because I just couldn't make any sense out of it and had a feeling it wasn't garden-variety vandalism, although it looked like it. I really am not the right person either - I don't have any experience and wouldn't know how to approach it - but there must be people here who can. Graham is a good idea - maybe he knows people at the accessibility project. Tvoz|talk 06:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh - how come the color continued? Looks nice! Tvoz|talk 06:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's pretty! Okay, I'm going to bop over to Graham's talk page and tell him there's a party going on over at L'Aquatique's talk page and he better get in on it before I get too goofy (as often happens at parties, particularly Christmas ones). I am kidding of course. I just finished a six page paper for a sociology class and I'm feeling QUITE goofy already! 'Nee way... L'Aquatiquetalktome
Done! I think I managed to keep the goofiness to a minimum. I try hard not to freak out people I am just meeting! : ) 'Kay, we'll see if he responds. (By the way, your signature matches this odd purpleness that has engulfed our conversation quite nicely.)L'Aquatiquetalktome 06:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(After edit conflict): Hmmm - I'm not sure how well I'd do at this - I'm a bit shy in voice communication and one of the reasons I like this place is that communication is all in text. I've been able to talk to other blind people who others considered really hard to talk to ... just saying "yep", "uh-huh", and so on did the trick as well as providing some good advice. But I'm not sure how I'd go with Hopiakuta ... he/she seems very talkative. The only person from Wikipedia:accessibility who I think might be able to do this is User:Rick Block. User:Theresa knott is a teacher assistant at a school who I find always has a knack of explaining things well - perhaps some of the editors at Talk:Autism maybe? I know people in RL who are good at that sort of thing but don't edit here... I wouldn't give the duty to any of them otherwise they probably wouldn't be my friends. In summary I could do it, but I'd prefer someone who is more quallified in working with developmentally disabled people. I have this page on my watchlist so reply here to keep the conversation in one place. Graham87 06:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Holy cow, that was fast. Superhero fast... hey you're not a superhero are you? That would be cool. I could tell people I met a superhero on Wikipedia! But alas... they would never believe me! Anyway; I hope that you have not misinterpreted my original message- in no way am I asking you to telephone him yourself! I would not ask you to do something I wouldn't do- and I know how you feel. I'm horrible at telephone conversations... I stutter all over the place and can never think of the right thing to say! (until an hour or so afterward, that is) I am much better at typing out my thoughts. Anyway, I was just hoping you might have some insight that we are missing, since he seemed to react in more a positive manner to you than others. It's late where I am and I'm just up working on this and writing to blow off steam, so I'll try to get in touch with Rick tomorrow morning and try to get his advice on the subject. Thanks for the quick reply! L'Aquatiquetalktome 07:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LOL no I was browsing WP:ANI and followed a link ... then I found I had new messages. I'd love to be a superhero ... 'twould be cool to be able to fly around. Anyways, as a last idea, have a look at my advice about a similar situation at User talk:SandyGeorgia/arch19 #AnnieTigerChucky - I was probably a bit pesamistic in that message but it is true, unless someone reaches out to him and teaches him about Wikipedia, he will eventually be banned. I don't want that to happen. And I always think of a comeback far too late - what in French is called L'esprit de l'escalier (stairway wit) - I wish there was a concise English term for that. Graham87 07:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, flying would definitely rock muchly. However, I think I'd prefer to be able to breathe underwater. Still, being a superhero would be scary. I don't think I have to guts to go fighting evildoers... I have trouble enough on vandal patrol! Then again, you can't move as fast underwater, so any epic battles would be pretty boring. Hee hee... 'Nee way, back to the subject at hand. I am not sure about this- I haven't been able to decipher a lot from his admittedly cryptic talk page (can't imagine what that page must sound like... maybe a very poorly tuned orchestra!) but I think he actually was banned at one point for a short time. Perhaps as an administrator you could confirm this? Frankly, while I see how it could work, I think that he may just react with the "handicappist, racist, etc" line. I'm afraid if we tried that we might push him away too far. Hmmm... By the way- love that phrase! It does seem to capture the sentiment perfectly, doesn't it? Je pense que les français comprendent l'idée de langue plus, plus mieux que nous... : ) L'Aquatiquetalktome 07:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is his block log, which is accessible by everyone - it shows he was blocked for 24 hours and then unblocked. A link to a user's block log can be found at the top of their contributions, next to the talk page link; admins also get a block button. A block is not the same thing as a ban ... a ban is something given by the arbitration committee or by the whole community - see the banning policy. I don't actually know any French - I learnt that phrase from Chuck Palahniuk's short story "Guts", which is, um, interesting ... let's just say that the ability to breathe underwater would not have helped the main character at all to get out of his messy predicament! Graham87 08:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... It says he was blocked at around ten then unblocked at 16:00... that's only six hours, unless I'm reading it wrong. (which is completely possible- the whole 24 hour clock screws with my brain) Plus it happened almost a year ago. Looks like this guy's been a Wikipedian longer than me! Nevertheless, it seems like if he was going to learn from a block he would have learned his lesson a year ago. A ban on the other hand... I don't know. I'm not sure he would understand. Many editors have already asked him to "knock it off", making it formal probably isn't going to change things. The idea of a ban, in and of itself, isn't very concrete and I think that we need to be very clear with him or else more misunderstandings are likely to ensue. On the less serious side of this conversation, I've decided that in addition to being able to hold my breath under water and fly, I want to have a little usb port installed in my brain. Need to learn about Geological Oceanography? Easy! I just plug in this flash drive and BAM! Instant expertise! The practical applications are endless!! L'Aquatiquetalktome 08:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yup he was blocked for only six hours then unblocked by the same admin. I think the problem is that everyone has been kinda afraid to deal with him ... and to be honest I don't blame them. If he is banned he will probably start creating sockpuppets - but they will be easily recognisable because of his distinct writing style and mannerisms. I'd love a USB port in my brain ... you could find out so much info so quickly. I would only like it if only *I* could decide what gets plugged in there ... I wouldn't like someone walking by and randomly plugging a USB vacuum cleaner into my brain. Graham87 09:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. I'm not afraid of him, but I'm a little intimidated. I'm a writer and I'm used to what I write making sense to people. He obviously isn't getting what I'm trying to tell him, and that really... I don't know what to word is. Frustrates me, I guess. Maybe that's why I don't want to give up on him. It irks me that there are so many idiots out there that will destroy without a though something other people have spent so much time working on, but here's someone who seems to have good faith, and some good ideas (if you can read past all the weirdness, he has a very dry with an is almost... poetic) and we cannot get him to understand. *Sigh*. The problem is, he will take any block or ban as an insult. Hmmm... Tvoz was talking earlier about him writing down everything that he wants to contribute in a subpage and then having that be translated into usable text by some volunteer. That's actually not a bad idea, but I'm not sure how I'd communicate that to him. Plus, we'd have to find someone to do it.
Vacuum cleaner usb ports. Who knew? I cannot help wondering who sits at their desk all day and thinks these things up. Nevertheless, if someone did walk by and plug a vacuum into your head, you could just yank it out and...retaliate...hee hee... This reminds me of when I was a kid, I programmed my computer to "scream in pain" (I just recorded myself screaming) everytime someone unplugged something from it. Ahh, the memories! L'Aquatiquetalktome 18:19, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm - look at his his userpage on Anarchopedia where he seems to make a little more sense. I suspect he is autistic because of his perseveration on minor things - like the number of characters in his screen name. He seems to be unwilling to use the phone to talk to anyone outside the US - and I, personally, wouldn't call if I had to pay for it because the cost of international calls in Aussieland is ridiculous. Unless one of us could Skype him or something ... wasn't he using an ancient computer though? Hmmm ... on one level he makes no sense at all but on another he makes perfect sense in his own world, if you know what I mean. And lol at the USB missile launcher! Weapon of mass-distraction indeed ... Graham87 04:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've read through some of his posts and nearly all of them could be considered disruptive. His account history goes back to June 2006 (which is a continuation of earlier postings from an IP address). He seems to be the same user at http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php/User:hopiakuta, and may not be fully comprehending the difference between wikipedia and anarchopedia. He's been tolerated here quite a long time, despite being nearly obviously disruptive. I don't have any particularly good suggestions. I've seen much less disruptive folks end up banned. He seems to at least think he has a disability of some kind, but I don't have much of clue what it might be. Harsh though it may sound, if he can't communicate through writing this might not be the best place for him.
BTW - can you fix your sig? Each "start font" (font) needs a matching "close font" (/font). This is why the font color continues after your sig. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. That's never been a problem before... Anyway, I'm disappointed to hear your response, but unfortunately I have to admit that you are probably right. Both of my parents are autism specialists and I spent my childhood dealing with this stuff. I guess I was just pushing for a victory here because they are so rare with this disease.
I do think it's interesting that he seems so much more coherant at Anarchopedia. I don't have any good explanations for this. Perhaps it is just a better environment for him and we should encourage him to remain there instead?
As for weapons of mass destruction distraction, I know that I would be distracted all day by that! I'd be sitting here, twiddling my thumbs and considering working... then someone would walk by I would bomb the daylights out of them! The good news is, if they were carrying something I could vacuum any messes up ASAP! : ) L'Aquatiquetalktome 17:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a shame, because it would appear that disruption may not be his intent, and he has made positive contributions, if you can sort through the maze. I do think it might work in a partnering arrangement, but I don't know why anyone would volunteer for such a task. From a practical standpoint, do we just sit back and put up with it? Mentoring might be an answer - at least a mentor (or adopt-a-user, whatever it's called) might talk to him by phone and maybe get some insight into what the problem is, and perhaps recommend that this isn't the best place for him to get satisfaction from his work. This may indeed not be the best place for him, but are we going to just wait until someone blocks him for disruption? Doesn't feel right to me, but I don't have any answers either. Tvoz|talk 19:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I suppose a next step could be to contact the folks over at Adopt a User and see if we could find someone with experience in these situations. There are a lot of mentors out there, I'd bet there's a least one who would be willing to take it on. L'Aquatiquetalktome 19:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wish I was able to contribute more here than I really can. I do note that we do have two editors, User:Smartyshoe and User:Gameguider, who have both expressed interest in a proposed Autism project and who both use the {{User aspie}}. One of them, or maybe one of the other editors who use that template here might be able to help. I would have no objections to trying maybe to do some work on this editor's contributions, but am more than a bit awkward on the phone myself. By the way, any way to bring back the violet print above? I wish I saw that color a lot more often around here. John Carter 20:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, perhaps we could create some sort of network of people who could sift through his contributions and make them more "wikipropriate" (<- new word!). Of course we'd need to run this by him first or he'll see it as being followed around by people intent on changing his edits! I'm going to pop over to Smartyshoe and Gameguiders' talk pages and ask them to join this conversation and lend some first hand experience and advice. L'Aquatiquetalktome 21:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - I just saw your "talkback" was put on my user page again on Oct 9 - I saw it once that day - didn't see that it went back up (not sure why you put it back actually) - would probably be more useful, at least for me, if you put it on User Talk instead, so the "new message" announcement would be delivered. My watchlist is too huge and I'd prefer not having things put on my user page - I don't always notice them. Anyway - I did see the discussion continuing here, and wish you all well with the project - this is not my expertise, but I saw an editor who seemed to be struggling, and tried to make some sense out of it. Unfortunately it seems there are no real resources for this type of thing, and there continues to be a communication problem with this user. It may be beyond our ability to address - if anyone has any contacts at the Foundation, perhaps they would be interested in this. I'm overbooked as it is and can't do much more than an occasional interpretation if I happen to see one of his edits being misunderstood. I'll keep him on my watchlist, but can't promise more than that. Tvoz|talk 05:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(unindent)Whoa, sorry I didn't notice your post until now. God, I'm such a space cadet at times. 'Nee way , thanks for your help and input. I understand being overbooked! Been there, done that, keep doing it. --(L'Aquatique: Bringing chaos & general mayhem to the Wiki for One Year!) 08:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely no problem!! All best Tvoz|talk 16:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Moshe Dovid Tendler
I responded to your concerns on my talk page. Please see my response to BelovedFreak as well. Thank you for your interest.pikipiki (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you have questions, feel free to leave a talk page message for me or any other admin. Again, congratulations! — Rlevse • Talk • 17:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The admins' T-shirt.
Congrats...here's your shirt! :-) Frank | talk 17:09, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations on your successful RfA! Do everythingyou'resupposedto and nothing you're not! Make sure to check out the new admin school. I wish you the very best of luck and place myself at your immediate disposal for any and all admin-related questions. Please feel free to call on me if you need help! GlassCobra 17:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As above, well done. Good luck on any admin ventures. Rudget 18:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, everyone! I'm going to new admin school now... hope the other kids will be nice to me! L'Aquatique[talk] 18:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats L'Aquatique! I'm a little late, but better late than never. :-) We needed more Alaskan admins; thanks for offering to serve us—we all know you'll do well. —Mizu onna sango15Hello! 23:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delayed congrats here as well :) The Alaska cabal has grown in power! Now, go delete the mainpage. - Icewedge (talk) 06:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, I'll get to that as soon as I finish blocking Jimbo! L'Aquatique[talk] 06:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You wouldn't be the first. Based on his block log[1] Jimbo is quite the vandal. - Icewedge (talk) 06:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
{{admin dashboard}} may help with that =) If you transclude it somewhere in your userspace, it will automatically get SQL bot to keep track of your admin stats, too. –xeno (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Me too. Congratulations! :) Take care and happy mopping, --PeaceNT (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Belated congratulations. You rock! Rivertorch (talk) 06:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Soon after we were informed that Homosexuality is being scrutinized, we heard the same for one of our few Featured Articles. As a participant of the Featured Article process, I think this is actually a good thing. The standards for Featured Articles are getting higher with time. But as a member of this project, that means that a few of ours may be de-listed unless someone can swoop in and save them. This one has to do with the designation of homosexuality as a crime in Germany. Most of this article's sources are in German. If anyone has any particular skill in this area, please lend a hand!
I know you folks think I have much experience in a gay bathhouse, and I hate to disappoint you, but I actually do not. I seem like the sort of person who likes to stroll about in a towel. Shocking, no? It appears that Ashleyvh is single-handedly addressing all the problems with this article at its GA Review. While that's pretty impressive, it's also no doubt exhausting. Can anyone help out there?
In what I hope will counter the jolt of re-evaluating three Good or Featured Articles, José Sarria and Janet Jackson as gay icon passed as Good Articles, and Black Cat Bar (famous San Francisco oft-raided gay bar) is nominated, all by Otto4711. Rock on, man. You're a machine. Good luck with your nominations. What is it about women that make them gay icons? And are there lesbian icons that aren't lesbians? How about bisexual icons? Am I the only lesbian who reacts with soul-trembling fear at the sight of Angelina Jolie?
New WP:LGBT studies member Pinkkeith has done this cool thing. If you click on that link, you'll see all the articles, categories, templates, and miscellany up for deletion. They're usually there because they're not considered to be not notable. That can be a relative concept, and sometimes it has to be argued that topics pertaining to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender issues are notable.
It seems a recurring issue which articles to tag, and what to say about a topic that's tagged. Certainly, because an article falls under our scope doesn't necessarily make the person gay. Florida Governor Charlie Crist has been rumored to be gay in some newspaper accounts. Although we all know Fred Phelps is supergay, he won't admit it so instead he does the absolutely awfulest anti-gay things on the planet to deflect suspicion. NAMBLA, the red headed stepchild of the LGBT world, is tagged with an explanation we have yet to decide if we'll keep.
In the lurking I do around and about on Wiki, I've long been astounded at the forbearance Benjiboi has for the utterly insane. Perhaps not so much, since the message on Benji's talk page notes frequent absences due to homophobia and transphobia. But it takes some kind of ... something that I don't have to face the constant anti-gay POV Benji does.
Benjiboi is a a bit of a WikiFaerie, a WikiGnome and also a member of the Article Rescue Squadron in addition to being a LGBT project member. A few of Benjiboi's favorite links for making the wikiverse more fab are:
Becksguy didn’t start actively editing until May 2007. His most frequent tasks on Wiki include reverting vandalism to LGBT articles and creating new project-related articles. He comes from New York state, and to prove not all of us are teenagers (ha! I am so totally 15!) he's in his 60s and retired.
Becksguy considers his biggest triumph on Wikipedia so far was a DYK in December 2007 for the first-ever newspaper report on what became AIDS, in the New York Native. He's also helped save several project-related articles from deletion. His lowest moment here was getting involved in the discussion on a particular terrorism related article, thinking he could help calm the roiled waters on an extremely contentious subject with multiple edit wars and passionate editors.
Here at WP:LGBT, he creates and improves articles that present notable LGBT related subjects in a fair and balanced way, and tries to include more of the significant alternative sexuality related subjects without being an activist, and works to better source project-related articles.
On Wikipedia as a whole, he says, "I think we need to learn better what processes work for a massive collaborative project. Some of what worked well for a more informal small project doesn’t scale up well. Process is not as important when the participants know each other. We need to get more of the current members to be more active. If more members were energized, the project would be able to accomplish more. We should be, in effect, the smaller and included Wikipedia for LGBT related subjects. Overall, I wish we could focus more on content creation and improvement, and less on vandal fighting."
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Frazier Quarry Page
Hi,
I certainly intend a rationale perspective, so I apologize in advance if my tone ever borders on irritated.
I created a page about The Frazier Quarry, it was deleted as spam. One of your stated criteria for spam is that it is blatant advertising that no one cares about. I take issue that you would assume the mantle of speaking for everyone at large as to whether something is worthwhile as a Wikipedia topic. I believe that its page should be maintained (I'm open to alterations) on a number of bases.
a) The Frazier Quarry is the ONLY producer of dimension bluestone, that is if you are from the Shenandoah Valley and want to build something with the historical ties to the regional architecture, you have to go to this place. The fact that it has a default monopoly over an important cultural item is important.
b) TFQ has taken pulling rocks out of the ground and transformed it into an extremely technologically advanced practice that develops new products and strives to minimize its environmental impact on its own accord. Their business model is very admirable. (Not to mention that they support a huge range of non-profit initiatives as a family business).
I even consulted with an Admin (Lifebaka) prior to posting the page because I recognized that creating a page concerning a company could be tagged as spam if not carefully monitored and he said that it shouldn't be deleted as such because it isn't.
I'd love to hear more of your reasoning for deletion.
Sorry for the delay. The IP was blocked as an open proxy. Feel free to unblock it if appropriate – it really makes no difference to me. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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