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===[[List of traps in the Saw film series]]===
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The '''Rosetta Stone''' is an [[Ancient Egypt]]ian [[Artifact (archaeology)|artifact]] (حجر رشيد in Arabic) which was instrumental in advancing modern understanding of [[Egyptian hieroglyphs|hieroglyph]]ic writing. The stone is a [[Ptolemaic period|Ptolemaic era]] [[stele]] with carved text made up of three translations of a single passage: two in [[Egyptian language]] scripts (hieroglyphic and [[Demotic (Egyptian)|Demotic]]) and one in [[classical Greek]]. It was created in [[196 BC|196&nbsp;BC]], discovered by the French in 1799 at Rashid (a harbour on the Mediterranean coast in Egypt which the French referred to as [[Rosetta]] during Napoleon Bonaparte's campaign in Egypt), and contributed greatly to the decipherment of the principles of hieroglyphic writing in 1822 by the British scientist [[Thomas Young (scientist)|Thomas Young]] and the French scholar [[Jean-François Champollion]]. Comparative translation of the stone assisted in understanding many previously [[Decipherment|undecipherable]] examples of [[Egyptian hieroglyphs|hieroglyphic]] writing. The text of the Rosetta Stone is a decree from [[Ptolemy V]], describing the repealing of various taxes and instructions to erect statues in temples.
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While this is fascinating stuff, it has become more of a massive plot hide-out than an informative article. It seems that all the text that can't go in the film articles gets dumped in here; I don't see why every single trap featured has to be explained in vivid detail. We're running an encyclopedia, not converting movies to novels. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 06:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Hopeless fancruft. Belongs on its own wiki. &mdash; [[User:RHaworth|RHaworth]] ([[User talk:RHaworth|Talk]] | [[special:contributions/RHaworth|contribs]]) 07:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


The Stone is {{cm to in|114.4}} high at its highest point, {{cm to in|72.3}} wide, and {{cm to in|27.9}} thick. Weighing approximately {{kg to lb|760}}, it was originally thought to be [[granite]] or [[basalt]] but is currently described as [[granodiorite]] and is dark blue-pinkish-grey in color. The stone has been on public display at [[The British Museum]] since [[1802]].<ref>{{cite web | title = The Rosetta Stone | url = http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/t/the_rosetta_stone.aspx | accessdate = 2008-05-21}}</ref>
* '''Delete'''. I think it may be spoiler material, and who likes spoilers anyway?! --[[User:Weasel5i2|Weasel5i2]] ([[User talk:Weasel5i2|talk]]) 07:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Pointless gorecruft. No independent notability. [[User:AlexTiefling|AlexTiefling]] ([[User talk:AlexTiefling|talk]]) 11:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)



*'''Strong Keep''' The traps are a very significant part of a notable series, which as of now is soon to be five films and later six films. This article was nominated for deletion once, and as you can see, was kept. If it was "[[Wikipedia:Do not call things cruft|gorecruft]]" (which shows obvious bias in of itself) it probably would have been deleted. "Spoiler" material, obviously, is also ''hardly'' a valid reason for deletion, for reasons I shouldn't have to be stating. I really don't see how this has any less validity than something like [[Magical objects in Harry Potter]] besides "I like Harry Potter and don't like Saw". I do think a lot of the plot summary could be removed and be replaced with other information, such as the concept and creation of the traps, as well as maybe critical reception. The article does need work, I just don't think that makes it suitable deletion fodder.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 11:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
==History==
**[[WP:WAX]] is not a reason to keep articles. We're not discussing whether the Saw series is better than whatever J.K. Rowling is doing nowadays. Also, we're not discussing the previous AFD result because it doesn't affect this one bit. Like I said in my summary, the problem doesn't lie in this being a spoiler, but rather just a long plot summary. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 13:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

***I wasn't referring to you when I talked about spoilers, I was referring to [[User:Weasel5i2]] whose sole argument was "this article contains spoilers, who likes spoilers?" Regarding plot summaries...the article ''does'' need to be trimmed. But it's certainly not impossible for real world information to be added, such as critical reception and behind the scenes info. The whole notion of the ''Saw'' traps have, while not as iconic as say Freddy or Jason, have become ingrained into popular culture and have been the focus of a couple of parodies in television. This is in addition to drawing comparisions with real life torture devices that the filmmakers have drawn comparision to when making them. I think deletion should only be used when it is a lost case, and I don't think this fits the criteria. My hands are pretty full at the moment, but once my plate clears up, I would be able to work on it on the future. I wouldn't have time, however, to do all this work in the span of the one week that this is up for deletion.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
===Modern-era discovery===
****How are they culturally significant? There's no notability to them (note: notability is not inherited. Just because my Uncle Bob is featured in Titanic doesn't mean he needs an article). As for your "filmmakers have drawn comparisons to real torture devices" claim, how is that related? Watching [[Minority Report]] and thinking that the jetpacks used remind me of jetpacks doesn't warrant a "List of gadgets in Minority Report" article. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 06:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Rosetta Stone.JPG|thumb|right|The Rosetta Stone in the [[British Museum]].]]
*****Notability isn't inherited, true, but your comparision to your Uncle Bob is hardly a fair comparision. The traps themselves have become one of the icons of the series, I can think of quite a few outside media that have played upon the traps. And when I say "drawn comparisions", I don't mean I'm going "Duhhh...they look similar to the iron maiden" (again, your comparision is unfair) I meant the directors themselves and the reviewers have all commented on the inspirations used in constructing them and critics have also drawn comparisions with real life events...although this reviewer was in the minority, one made comparisions to the interrogation tactics being used on terrorists. (BTW, by bringing up the "We don't have an article about Minority Report gadgets", you're doing [[WP:WAX]])--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 12:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
After [[Napoleon I of France|Napoleon]]'s 1798 [[French invasion of Egypt (1798)|conquest of Egypt]], the French founded Institut de l'Égypte in [[Cairo]], bringing 167 scientists and archaeologists to the region. [[French Army]] engineer [[Pierre-François Bouchard|Captain Pierre-François Bouchard]] discovered the stone sometime in mid-July 1799 (the sources are unfortunately not more specific), while guiding construction work at Fort Julien near the Egyptian port city of Rashid ([[Rosetta]]). The Napoleonic army was so awestruck by this unheralded spectacle that, according to a witness, "it halted of itself and, by one spontaneous impulse, grounded its arms." (As quoted by Robert Claiborne, ''The Birth of Writing'' [1974], p. 24.)
******How do these comparisons show any notability? That people can connect dots? Can you source these? Also, you misunderstood my Minority Report example; I'm saying that there's a reason why we don't create articles similar to that, not that we should create that article. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*******It was in a documentary about horror films on Bravo or Starz. Either way, it's featuring legitimate coverage outside of primary sources and people outside the film and not some teenagers' geocities page. And as for the "Minority Report", it's still in the vein of "We don't have articles on X, therefore we shouldn't on Y".--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 14:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
After Napoleon returned to France in 1799, 167 scholars remained behind with French troops which held off British and Ottoman attacks. In March 1801, the British landed on [[Aboukir Bay]] and scholars carried the Stone from Cairo to Alexandria alongside the troops of de Menou. French troops in Cairo [[Capitulation (surrender)|capitulate]]d on June 22, and in Alexandria on August 30.
********You're still misunderstanding; I'm not saying that we can't have this article because the Minority Report one doesn't exist. I'm saying that they shouldn't exist in general, hence the "there's a reason why we don't have a "List of gadgets in Minority Report" article" statement. In terms of these legitimate third-party sources, any examples? And how prominently were the traps featured? How are they notable? [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 16:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*********One of them is "Going to Pieces: The Rise and Fall of the Slasher Film" which has a scene discussing the Saw films and their traps in comparision to other works of ficton.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
After the surrender, a dispute arose over the fate of French archaeological and scientific discoveries in Egypt. De Menou refused to hand them over, claiming that they belonged to the Institute. British General [[John Hely-Hutchinson, 2nd Earl of Donoughmore]], refused to relieve the city until de Menou gave in. Newly arrived scholars [[Edward Daniel Clarke]] and [[William Richard Hamilton]] agreed to check the collections in Alexandria and found many artifacts that the French had not revealed.
**********No, I mean an actual source you can link to... Or should I look on the article page? [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 23:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Strong delete''' Fancruft, plot summary. [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>]] and his otters • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]] • [[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]] • [[:User:TenPoundHammer/Country|HELP]])</sup> 12:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
When Hutchinson claimed all materials as a property of the [[The Crown|British Crown]], a French scholar, [[Étienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire]], said to Clarke and Hamilton that they would rather burn all their discoveries — referring ominously to the destruction of the [[Library of Alexandria]] — than turn them over. Hutchinson finally agreed that items such as biology specimens would be the scholars' private property. De Menou regarded the stone as his private property and hid it.
*'''Comment''' (From ''Saw V'') "Hello, inclusionists... I want to play a game. Your article survived deletion a year ago because there was no consensus, but it has remained unchanged... where are your friends now? By the time this tape is finished, you will have just a few more days to find a way out. At the end of those few days... you should know better than anyone, what happens then. There is an obscure Wikipedia policy that will unlock the support you need to stop the deletion process... choose the wrong policy, however, and your article will even be barred from Deletionpedia.... make your choice." [[User:Mandsford|Mandsford]] ([[User talk:Mandsford|talk]]) 16:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Weak keep''' - the list could be modified to remove the plot information and keep only descriptions of the traps themselves. Alternatively, they could be '''merged into''' [[Saw (film series)]] or the individual film articles. - [[User:AdamBMorgan|AdamBMorgan]] ([[User talk:AdamBMorgan|talk]]) 16:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
How exactly the Stone came to British hands is disputed. Colonel [[Tomkyns Hilgrove Turner]], who escorted the stone to Britain, claimed later that he had personally seized it from de Menou and carried it away on a [[Caisson (military)|gun carriage]]. Clarke stated in his memoirs that a French scholar and an officer had quietly given up the stone to him and his companions in a Cairo back street. French scholars departed later with only imprints and plaster casts of the stone.
:'''Comment''' I suppose merging would be better than just deleting them outright if that's what I came down to..--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

*<s>'''Keep'''</s> '''Strong Keep''' Or, at the very least, Merge into [[Saw (film series)]], as per AdamBMorgan's suggestion. I also agree with CyberGhostface's observation -- deletion should only be used when an article cannot be salvaged, and that is clearly not the case here. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 17:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Rosetta Stone International Congress of Orientalists ILN 1874.jpg|thumb|260px|Experts inspecting the Rosetta Stone during the International Congress of Orientalists of 1874]]
**How can this be salvaged, though? It doesn't contribute anything but needless trivia to the films. Again, the purpose of the articles is to inform readers of the premise of the Saw films, not walk them through every scene in the movie. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 06:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Comment back''' The answer: Editing 101. It can actually be salvaged rather easily -- all it takes is time, focus and the ability to chop a glob of data into a streamlined work of information. Ultimately, the content would probably be better served in merging with the existing "Saw"-related articles. I would be happy to work with the article's creator in saving the article if this AfD was withdrawn. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 15:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Turner brought the stone to Britain aboard the captured French [[frigate]] ''L'Egyptienne'' in February 1802. On March 11, it was presented to the [[Society of Antiquaries of London]]. Later it was taken to the [[British Museum]], where it remains. Inscriptions painted in white on the artifact state "Captured in Egypt by the [[British Army]] in 1801" on the left side and "Presented by [[George III of the United Kingdom|King George III]]" on the right.
***Like I stated earlier...behind the scenes information, critical reception, impact, etc.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 12:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

****But Wikipedia isn't a repository for "behind the scenes information". Critical reception is already covered in the film articles, and I don't even see how the traps are related to reception (the fact that reviewers mention them doesn't really do much). In terms of impact, unless you can source the ''significant'' cultural impact of the Saw traps. I think that's the very least that has to be done for this to not be a complete delete. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 13:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
===Translation===
*'''Delete'''. In the same way that Wikipedia is not a game guide, we're also not a trivia guide for films, either. <font face="jokerman">[[User:Coccyx Bloccyx|<span style="color:green">coccyx bloccyx</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Coccyx Bloccyx|<span style="color:Green">(toccyx)</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1814, the Briton [[Thomas Young (scientist)|Thomas Young]] finished translating the enchorial ([[Demotic (Egyptian)|demotic]]) text, and began work on the [[Egyptian hieroglyphs|hieroglyphic script]]. From 1822 to 1824 the French scholar, [[philologist]], and [[orientalist]] [[Jean-François Champollion]] greatly expanded on this work and is credited as the principal translator of the Rosetta Stone. Champollion could read both Greek and [[Coptic language|Coptic]], and figured out what the seven Demotic signs in Coptic were. By looking at how these signs were used in Coptic, he worked out what they meant. Then he traced the Demotic signs back to hieroglyphic signs. By working out what some hieroglyphs stood for, he made educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs meant.<ref>http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/writing/rosetta.html Retrieved on 2008-25-6</ref>
*'''Strong Keep''' The main focus of the series is the traps and their intricacies. To delete this article would mean a need to include information on each trap for each movie in their respective movie section, making the articles long and inwieldy. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.238.108|71.162.238.108]] ([[User talk:71.162.238.108|talk]]) 01:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

**Why do you have to include them in their movie sections? "Shotgun trap" does not need a complete backstory and description of how it works; I could file patents with the level of detail present in some of these trap descriptions (that's not a good thing). [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 06:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1858, the [[Philomathean Society of the University of Pennsylvania]] published the first complete English translation of the Rosetta Stone as accomplished by three of its undergraduate members: Charles R Hale, S Huntington Jones, and Henry Morton. The translation quickly sold out two editions and was internationally hailed as a monumental work of scholarship. In 1988, the British Museum bestowed the honor of including the Philomathean Rosetta Stone Report in its select bibliography of the most important works ever published on the Rosetta Stone. The Philomathean Society maintains a full-scale mold of the stone in its meeting room at the [[University of Pennsylvania]].
*'''Weak Keep''' The article is, as mentioned, unwieldy, and needs to be changed quite heavily. However, the concept of the article in itself should remain - perhaps an article on the major traps from each film, and short summaries of the actual design and implementation of these? Comments from Production Designer(s) ([[David Hackl]]) or directors ([[James Wan]] or [[Darren Lynn Bousman]]) from each respective film's behind-the-scenes trap creation featurette may add more light to this. In the end, it needs to be more a design article rather than a storyline article, and this seems to be what the fans are forgetting. Shape it up, or get rid of it.{{unsigned|RobbieMayona}}

*'''Weak keep''' - The article did serve a purpose originally, and I feel that it can be brought back to that. Eliminate the useless plot and 'cruft' floating about, and I think it will satisfy Wikipedia's criteria. ≈ [[User: The Haunted Angel|<b><font color="#8000FF">The Haunted Angel</font></b>]] 15:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
===Recent history===
**What purpose did it serve? I don't think every trap needs an explanation aside from a sentence or so, and that could easily fit in the articles. Again, the plot doesn't have to be so comprehensive as to cause the reader to experience images of what's being described... [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 16:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The Rosetta Stone has been exhibited almost continuously in the British Museum since 1802. Toward the end of [[World War I]], in 1917, the Museum was concerned about heavy bombing in London and moved the Rosetta Stone to safety along with other portable objects of value. The Stone spent the next two years in a station on the [[Post Office Railway|Postal Tube Railway]] 50 feet below the ground at Holborn.
***A lot of the traps, especially in the later films, become more complex in nature and scope. Maybe not paragraphs long in terms of content, but more than one sentence.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*It would be nice if those in favour of Keeping the article could make their statements without being grilled. Thanks. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 17:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The Stone left the [[British Museum]] again in October 1972 to be exhibited for one month at the [[Louvre Museum]] on the 150th anniversary of the [[decipherment]] of [[hieroglyph]]ic writings with the famous ''Lettre a M Dacier'' of [[Jean-François Champollion]].
**Everyone has the right to question the judgment of others. That's the beauty of a democratic process (I'm betting $50 that someone will throw a policy back in my face). [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 23:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

***There is no beauty in badgering those who disagree with you. I am switching my !vote to Strong Keep based on this constant needling. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 23:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In July 2003, Egypt demanded the return of the Rosetta Stone. Dr. [[Zahi Hawass]], secretary general of the [[Supreme Council of Antiquities]] in Cairo, told the press: "If the British want to be remembered, if they want to restore their reputation, they should volunteer to return the Rosetta Stone because it is the icon of our Egyptian identity." In 2005, Hawass was negotiating for a three-month loan, with the eventual goal of a permanent return.<ref>{{cite news|author = Charlotte Edwardes and Catherine Milner|title = Egypt demands return of the Rosetta Stone|publisher = [[The Daily Telegraph]]| date = [[2003-07-20]]|url = http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F07%2F20%2Fnroset20.xml|accessdate = 2006-10-05}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|author=Henry Huttinger|title = Stolen Treasures: Zahi Hawass wants the Rosetta Stone back—among other things|publisher = Cairo Magazine|date=2005-07-28|url = http://www.cairomagazine.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=1238&format=html|accessdate = 2006-10-06}}</ref> In November 2005, the British Museum sent him a replica of the stone.<ref>{{cite news|title = The rose of the Nile|publisher = [[Al-Ahram Weekly]]|date=[[2005-11-30]]|url = http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/770/he1.htm|accessdate = 2006-10-06}}</ref>
*'''Strong keep''' - The article covers information that would be deemed off-topic on a film article itself.:<big>'''&nbsp;[[User:ViperBlade|<font color=#00D500>ViperBlade]]&nbsp;'''</font></big><sup><small>[[User_Talk:ViperBlade|<font color=#008800>Talk!!]]</sup></small> 17:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Strong Keep''' - This article has been nominated twice for deletion, why?. Why is this page standing up against fucking wikipedia rules, it's like they are playing this little game to give people like me the freak. Which initially they have been given the will they wanted. I strongly recommend that this article must stay because of the content of it is valuable to the Saw Faschise, cut this article will decrease the level that it is now on top of it to fall drastically. This article must stay at all cost since this is a valuavble piece to a great movie franschise. Amen !!!--[[User:MKV2|MKV2]] ([[User talk:MKV2|talk]]) 19:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
==Abbreviated-synopsis in English (eighth of text)==
:*'''Comment''' What does this discussion have to do with your crudely expressed opinion of the quality of the series? The matter at hand is whether the traps specifically have sufficient significance that they need their own article. I think not. [[User:AlexTiefling|AlexTiefling]] ([[User talk:AlexTiefling|talk]]) 20:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
{{quote|In the reign of the new king who was Lord of the diadems, great in glory, the stabilizer of Egypt, and also pious in matters relating to the gods, superior to his adversaries, rectifier of the life of men, Lord of the thirty-year periods like Hephaestus the Great, King like the Sun, the Great King of the Upper and Lower Lands, offspring of the Parent-loving gods, whom Hephaestus has approved, to whom the Sun has given victory, living image of Zeus, Son of the Sun, Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah;
*'''Keep''' Excellent summary of physical plot devices, that should be in any article on a book or movie that relies on physical objects as plot devices, as per Harry Potter and LOTR. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|talk]]) 22:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' This provides an excellent summary for those people who are interested or want to know more about what happens in this series. This is one of the few places that they can find all of this information. [[User:Jigsaw23]] 20:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
In the ninth year, when Aëtus, son of Aëtus, was priest of Alexander and of the Savior gods and the Brother gods and the Benefactor gods and the Parent-loving gods and the god Manifest and Gracious; Pyrrha, the daughter of Philinius, being ''athlophorus'' for Bernice Euergetis; Areia, the daughter of Diogenes, being ''[[kanephoros|canephorus]]'' for Arsinoë Philadelphus; Irene, the daughter of Ptolemy, being priestess of Arsinoë Philopator: on the fourth of the month Xanicus, or according to the Egyptians the eighteenth of Mecheir.
:<small>This is the first contribution by [[Special:Contributions/Jigsaw23|Jigsaw23]]. [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 04:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</small>

*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 03:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
THE DECREE: The high priests and prophets, and those who enter the inner shrine in order to robe the gods, and those who wear the hawk's wing, and the sacred scribes, and all the other priests who have assembled at Memphis before the king, from the various temples throughout the country, for the feast of his receiving the kingdom, even that of Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, which he received from his Father, being assembled in the temple in Memphis this day, declared:
*'''Delete''' as mere plot detail. Plot detail is supposed to ''complement'' a topic per [[WP:PLOT]], not serve ''as'' the topic. —<font face="Palatino Linotype">[[User:Erik|Erik]]</font> ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) - 03:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Since King Ptolemy, the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, the son of King Ptolemy and Queen Arsinoë, the Parent-loving gods, has done many benefactions to the temples and to those who dwell in them, and also to all those subject to his rule, being from the beginning a god born of a god and a goddess—like Horus, the son of Isis and Osirus, who came to the help of his Father Osirus; being benevolently disposed toward the gods, has concentrated to the temples revenues both of silver and of grain, and has generously undergone many expenses in order to lead Egypt to prosperity and to establish the temples... the gods have rewarded him with health, victory, power, and all other good things, his sovereignty to continue to him and his children forever.<ref>{{cite web
* An incredible amount of time and effort went into collecting this wonderful collection of movie trivia. Lets get it '''Merged''' to [[Saw (film series)]] where it has context and notability. '''[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|<font color="blue">Schmidt,</font>]]''' ''[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|<b><sup><small>MICHAEL Q.</small></sup></b>]]'' 06:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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*As it seems Saw fans are going to resist any delete, then i'm fine with this being '''cut down and merge'''ed to into the film article. Wikipedia reflecting a poor film with a poor article is not ideal, but is better than 2 poor articles :-/. Of course, without sources, even the merge is unfair on the parent article, and would prevent it ever reaching GA or Fa status, so better to '''delete'''. I never understand fans who want to showcase their interests by creating crappy articles, instead of improving the core articles on the subject.... Are all the trap titles also OR?[[User:Yobmod|Yobmod]] ([[User talk:Yobmod|talk]]) 08:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' The uselessness and trivialness of this article is scarier than any of the films. Erik the <font color="red">[[User:Erik the Red 2|Red]]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">[[User talk:Erik the Red 2|~~]]</font><font color= "blue">[[Special:Contributions/Erik the Red 2|~~]]</font></small> 03:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as plot detail and pure fancruft. [[User:McWomble|McWomble]] ([[User talk:McWomble|talk]]) 13:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' as cruft or cut back severely. [[User:Electronsoup|Tim Bennett]] ([[User talk:Electronsoup|talk]]) 13:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I was under the impression that using "cruft" for deletion arguments wasn't recommended.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 14:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The complete Greek text, in English,<ref>http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/rosettastone.htm</ref> is about 1600&ndash;1700 words in length, and is about 20 paragraphs long (average 80 words/paragraph). In essence, the Rosetta Stone is a tax amnesty given to the temple priests of the day, restoring the tax privileges they had traditionally enjoyed from more ancient times. Some scholars speculate that several copies of the Rosetta Stone must exist, as yet undiscovered, since this proclamation must have been made at many temples.
:*'''Comment''' - 'Cruft' isn't an argument in and of itself, but in this case, and in some others at least, it's a good shorthand for 'An indiscriminate collection of primarily in-world information without proper evidence of external notability, collated in a non-encyclopedic way, presenting material better suited to an episode guide, etc'. I think it's unfair to argue against your opponents simply on the basis that they're using an informal term which you feel should be discouraged. [[User:AlexTiefling|AlexTiefling]] ([[User talk:AlexTiefling|talk]]) 14:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:**That was hardly my sole argument on this discussion if you were to look above. I'm just seeing a lot of "Delete. Cruft", with little to nothing else, which is listed in the "arguments to avoid" section. Also there is saying that the films are poor and not deserving of an article, which is just as bad as saying the films are great and thus deserving of one because of that.--[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 14:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
==Idiomatic use==
:::*'''Response''' - I didn't say that that was your only argument. My objection to this article is not aesthetic at all; my objection remains that the entire thing is a big block of poorly-sourced in-world material - see [[WP:PLOT]] and the paragraph about fictional element lists in [[WP:FICT]] - and that it thus gives undue weight to specific aspects of this series without justifying it. Most of the forty-odd cited sources are simply images from the films. [[User:AlexTiefling|AlexTiefling]] ([[User talk:AlexTiefling|talk]]) 16:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The term '''Rosetta Stone''' has become [[idiom]]atic as something that is a critical key to a process of decryption or translation of a difficult problem. For example, "the Rosetta Stone of immunology"<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/2000/ihwg.htm | title=International Team Accelerates Investigation of Immune-Related Genes | accessdate=2006-11-23 | author=The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases | date=2000-09-06}}</ref> and "[[Arabidopsis]], the Rosetta Stone of flowering time (fossils)".<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/296/5566/285?ijkey=zlwRiv/qSEivQ&keytype=ref&siteid=sci | title=Arabidopsis, the Rosetta Stone of Flowering Time? | accessdate=2006-11-23 | author=Gordon G. Simpson, Caroline Dean | date=2002-04-12}}</ref>
::::*I wasn't referring to you when I said that about the "films being poor" thing but someone above you. (I'm sorry if I came off like that). --[[User:CyberGhostface|CyberGhostface]] ([[User talk:CyberGhostface|talk]]) 17:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nomination. Cruft. [[User:Xdenizen|X MarX the Spot]] ([[User talk:Xdenizen|talk]]) 02:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
An algorithm for predicting [[protein structure]] from sequence is named [[Rosetta@home]]. It makes its predictions by looking at existing protein structure data.

"[[Rosetta (binary_translation_software)|Rosetta]]" is also the name of a "lightweight dynamic translator" distributed for Mac OS X by [[Apple Computer|Apple]]. Rosetta enables applications compiled for a [[RISC]] processor ([[PowerPC]]) to run on Apple systems using a [[Complex instruction set computer|CISC]] ([[x86]]) processor.

[[Rosetta Stone (software)|Rosetta Stone]] is also a brand of language learning software.

In molecular biology, a series of "Rosetta" bacterial cell lines have been developed that contain a number of [[tRNA]] genes that are rare in E. coli but common in other organisms, enabling the efficient translation of [[DNA]] from those organisms in [[E. coli]].

==See also==
*[[Behistun Inscription]]
*[[Rosetta Project]]

== References ==
{{reflist}}

==Further reading==
* Allen, Don Cameron. "The Predecessors of Champollion", ''Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society'', Vol.&nbsp;144, No.&nbsp;5. (1960), pp.&nbsp;527–547.
* Adkins, Lesley; Adkins, Roy. ''The Keys of Egypt: The Obsession to Decipher Egyptian Hieroglyphs''. New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2000 (hardcover, ISBN 0-06-019439-1); 2001 (paperback, ISBN 0-00-653145-8).
* Downs, Jonathan. "Romancing the Stone", ''History Today'', Vol.&nbsp;56, Issue&nbsp;5. (May, 2006), pp.&nbsp;48–54.
* Parkinson, Richard. ''Cracking Codes: the Rosetta Stone, and Decipherment''. Berkeley, CA; Los Angeles; London: University of California Press, 1999 (hardcover, ISBN 0-520-22306-3; paperback, ISBN 0-520-22248-2); London: British Museum Press, 1999 (paperback, ISBN 0-7141-1916-4).
* Parkinson, Richard. ''The Rosetta Stone''. Objects in Focus; London: British Museum Press 2005 (paperback ISBN 978-0714150215).
* Ray, John. ''The Rosetta Stone and the Rebirth of Ancient Egypt (Wonders of the World)''. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2007 (hardcover, ISBN 978-0674024939).
** [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902146.html Reviewed] by Jonathon Keats in the [http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ''Washington Post''], July&nbsp;22, 2007.
* Solé, Robert; Valbelle, Dominique. ''The Rosetta Stone: The Story of the Decoding of Hieroglyphics''. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 2002 (hardcover, ISBN 1-56858-226-9).
* {{cite book | last = Budge | first = E. A. Wallis | authorlink = E. A. Wallis Budge | coauthors = | title = The Rosetta Stone | publisher = Dover Publications | date = 1989 | location = Mineola, NY | pages = | url = http://books.google.com/books?id=RO_m47hLsbAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=rosetta+stone&as_brr=3&sig=ACfU3U1_VaJ_NxkLmbZuYyDLji99DXwY6w | doi = | id = | isbn = 0-486-26163-8 }}

==External links==
{{commonscat|Rosetta Stone}}
{{Wikisource|Text from the Rosetta Stone|Text on the Rosetta Stone in English}}{{Wikisourcelang|el|Στήλη της Ροζέττας|Greek Text from the Rosetta Stone}}
*[http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/aes/t/the_rosetta_stone.aspx The Rosetta Stone in The British Museum]
*[http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/r/the_rosetta_stone_translation.aspx The translated text in English]
*[http://www.clemusart.com/archive/pharaoh/glyphs.html The Finding of the Rosetta Stone]
*[http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/article_index/h/history_uncovered_in_conservin.aspx The 1998 conservation and restoration of The Rosetta Stone at The British Museum]
*[http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/online_tours/britain/enlightenment_ancient_scripts/champollions_hieroglyphic_hand.aspx Champollion's alphabet]
*[http://people.howstuffworks.com/rosetta-stone.htm How the Rosetta Stone works - Howstuffworks.com]

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The Rosetta Stone, 3rd of a 3-stone series, is a multilingual stele that allowed linguists to begin the process of hieroglyph decipherment.

The Rosetta Stone is an Ancient Egyptian artifact (حجر رشيد in Arabic) which was instrumental in advancing modern understanding of hieroglyphic writing. The stone is a Ptolemaic era stele with carved text made up of three translations of a single passage: two in Egyptian language scripts (hieroglyphic and Demotic) and one in classical Greek. It was created in 196 BC, discovered by the French in 1799 at Rashid (a harbour on the Mediterranean coast in Egypt which the French referred to as Rosetta during Napoleon Bonaparte's campaign in Egypt), and contributed greatly to the decipherment of the principles of hieroglyphic writing in 1822 by the British scientist Thomas Young and the French scholar Jean-François Champollion. Comparative translation of the stone assisted in understanding many previously undecipherable examples of hieroglyphic writing. The text of the Rosetta Stone is a decree from Ptolemy V, describing the repealing of various taxes and instructions to erect statues in temples.

The Stone is Template:Cm to in high at its highest point, Template:Cm to in wide, and Template:Cm to in thick. Weighing approximately Template:Kg to lb, it was originally thought to be granite or basalt but is currently described as granodiorite and is dark blue-pinkish-grey in color. The stone has been on public display at The British Museum since 1802.[1]


History

Modern-era discovery

The Rosetta Stone in the British Museum.

After Napoleon's 1798 conquest of Egypt, the French founded Institut de l'Égypte in Cairo, bringing 167 scientists and archaeologists to the region. French Army engineer Captain Pierre-François Bouchard discovered the stone sometime in mid-July 1799 (the sources are unfortunately not more specific), while guiding construction work at Fort Julien near the Egyptian port city of Rashid (Rosetta). The Napoleonic army was so awestruck by this unheralded spectacle that, according to a witness, "it halted of itself and, by one spontaneous impulse, grounded its arms." (As quoted by Robert Claiborne, The Birth of Writing [1974], p. 24.)

After Napoleon returned to France in 1799, 167 scholars remained behind with French troops which held off British and Ottoman attacks. In March 1801, the British landed on Aboukir Bay and scholars carried the Stone from Cairo to Alexandria alongside the troops of de Menou. French troops in Cairo capitulated on June 22, and in Alexandria on August 30.

After the surrender, a dispute arose over the fate of French archaeological and scientific discoveries in Egypt. De Menou refused to hand them over, claiming that they belonged to the Institute. British General John Hely-Hutchinson, 2nd Earl of Donoughmore, refused to relieve the city until de Menou gave in. Newly arrived scholars Edward Daniel Clarke and William Richard Hamilton agreed to check the collections in Alexandria and found many artifacts that the French had not revealed.

When Hutchinson claimed all materials as a property of the British Crown, a French scholar, Étienne Geoffroy Saint-Hilaire, said to Clarke and Hamilton that they would rather burn all their discoveries — referring ominously to the destruction of the Library of Alexandria — than turn them over. Hutchinson finally agreed that items such as biology specimens would be the scholars' private property. De Menou regarded the stone as his private property and hid it.

How exactly the Stone came to British hands is disputed. Colonel Tomkyns Hilgrove Turner, who escorted the stone to Britain, claimed later that he had personally seized it from de Menou and carried it away on a gun carriage. Clarke stated in his memoirs that a French scholar and an officer had quietly given up the stone to him and his companions in a Cairo back street. French scholars departed later with only imprints and plaster casts of the stone.

Experts inspecting the Rosetta Stone during the International Congress of Orientalists of 1874

Turner brought the stone to Britain aboard the captured French frigate L'Egyptienne in February 1802. On March 11, it was presented to the Society of Antiquaries of London. Later it was taken to the British Museum, where it remains. Inscriptions painted in white on the artifact state "Captured in Egypt by the British Army in 1801" on the left side and "Presented by King George III" on the right.

Translation

In 1814, the Briton Thomas Young finished translating the enchorial (demotic) text, and began work on the hieroglyphic script. From 1822 to 1824 the French scholar, philologist, and orientalist Jean-François Champollion greatly expanded on this work and is credited as the principal translator of the Rosetta Stone. Champollion could read both Greek and Coptic, and figured out what the seven Demotic signs in Coptic were. By looking at how these signs were used in Coptic, he worked out what they meant. Then he traced the Demotic signs back to hieroglyphic signs. By working out what some hieroglyphs stood for, he made educated guesses about what the other hieroglyphs meant.[2]

In 1858, the Philomathean Society of the University of Pennsylvania published the first complete English translation of the Rosetta Stone as accomplished by three of its undergraduate members: Charles R Hale, S Huntington Jones, and Henry Morton. The translation quickly sold out two editions and was internationally hailed as a monumental work of scholarship. In 1988, the British Museum bestowed the honor of including the Philomathean Rosetta Stone Report in its select bibliography of the most important works ever published on the Rosetta Stone. The Philomathean Society maintains a full-scale mold of the stone in its meeting room at the University of Pennsylvania.

Recent history

The Rosetta Stone has been exhibited almost continuously in the British Museum since 1802. Toward the end of World War I, in 1917, the Museum was concerned about heavy bombing in London and moved the Rosetta Stone to safety along with other portable objects of value. The Stone spent the next two years in a station on the Postal Tube Railway 50 feet below the ground at Holborn.

The Stone left the British Museum again in October 1972 to be exhibited for one month at the Louvre Museum on the 150th anniversary of the decipherment of hieroglyphic writings with the famous Lettre a M Dacier of Jean-François Champollion.

In July 2003, Egypt demanded the return of the Rosetta Stone. Dr. Zahi Hawass, secretary general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Cairo, told the press: "If the British want to be remembered, if they want to restore their reputation, they should volunteer to return the Rosetta Stone because it is the icon of our Egyptian identity." In 2005, Hawass was negotiating for a three-month loan, with the eventual goal of a permanent return.[3][4] In November 2005, the British Museum sent him a replica of the stone.[5]

Abbreviated-synopsis in English (eighth of text)

In the reign of the new king who was Lord of the diadems, great in glory, the stabilizer of Egypt, and also pious in matters relating to the gods, superior to his adversaries, rectifier of the life of men, Lord of the thirty-year periods like Hephaestus the Great, King like the Sun, the Great King of the Upper and Lower Lands, offspring of the Parent-loving gods, whom Hephaestus has approved, to whom the Sun has given victory, living image of Zeus, Son of the Sun, Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah;

In the ninth year, when Aëtus, son of Aëtus, was priest of Alexander and of the Savior gods and the Brother gods and the Benefactor gods and the Parent-loving gods and the god Manifest and Gracious; Pyrrha, the daughter of Philinius, being athlophorus for Bernice Euergetis; Areia, the daughter of Diogenes, being canephorus for Arsinoë Philadelphus; Irene, the daughter of Ptolemy, being priestess of Arsinoë Philopator: on the fourth of the month Xanicus, or according to the Egyptians the eighteenth of Mecheir.

THE DECREE: The high priests and prophets, and those who enter the inner shrine in order to robe the gods, and those who wear the hawk's wing, and the sacred scribes, and all the other priests who have assembled at Memphis before the king, from the various temples throughout the country, for the feast of his receiving the kingdom, even that of Ptolemy the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, which he received from his Father, being assembled in the temple in Memphis this day, declared:

Since King Ptolemy, the ever-living, beloved by Ptah, the god Manifest and Gracious, the son of King Ptolemy and Queen Arsinoë, the Parent-loving gods, has done many benefactions to the temples and to those who dwell in them, and also to all those subject to his rule, being from the beginning a god born of a god and a goddess—like Horus, the son of Isis and Osirus, who came to the help of his Father Osirus; being benevolently disposed toward the gods, has concentrated to the temples revenues both of silver and of grain, and has generously undergone many expenses in order to lead Egypt to prosperity and to establish the temples... the gods have rewarded him with health, victory, power, and all other good things, his sovereignty to continue to him and his children forever.[6]

The complete Greek text, in English,[7] is about 1600–1700 words in length, and is about 20 paragraphs long (average 80 words/paragraph). In essence, the Rosetta Stone is a tax amnesty given to the temple priests of the day, restoring the tax privileges they had traditionally enjoyed from more ancient times. Some scholars speculate that several copies of the Rosetta Stone must exist, as yet undiscovered, since this proclamation must have been made at many temples.

Idiomatic use

The term Rosetta Stone has become idiomatic as something that is a critical key to a process of decryption or translation of a difficult problem. For example, "the Rosetta Stone of immunology"[8] and "Arabidopsis, the Rosetta Stone of flowering time (fossils)".[9]

An algorithm for predicting protein structure from sequence is named Rosetta@home. It makes its predictions by looking at existing protein structure data.

"Rosetta" is also the name of a "lightweight dynamic translator" distributed for Mac OS X by Apple. Rosetta enables applications compiled for a RISC processor (PowerPC) to run on Apple systems using a CISC (x86) processor.

Rosetta Stone is also a brand of language learning software.

In molecular biology, a series of "Rosetta" bacterial cell lines have been developed that contain a number of tRNA genes that are rare in E. coli but common in other organisms, enabling the efficient translation of DNA from those organisms in E. coli.

See also

References

  1. ^ "The Rosetta Stone". Retrieved 2008-05-21.
  2. ^ http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/writing/rosetta.html Retrieved on 2008-25-6
  3. ^ Charlotte Edwardes and Catherine Milner (2003-07-20). "Egypt demands return of the Rosetta Stone". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 2006-10-05. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  4. ^ Henry Huttinger (2005-07-28). "Stolen Treasures: Zahi Hawass wants the Rosetta Stone back—among other things". Cairo Magazine. Retrieved 2006-10-06.
  5. ^ "The rose of the Nile". Al-Ahram Weekly. 2005-11-30. Retrieved 2006-10-06. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  6. ^ "Text of the Rosetta Stone". Retrieved 2006-11-26.
  7. ^ http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/rosettastone.htm
  8. ^ The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (2000-09-06). "International Team Accelerates Investigation of Immune-Related Genes". Retrieved 2006-11-23.
  9. ^ Gordon G. Simpson, Caroline Dean (2002-04-12). "Arabidopsis, the Rosetta Stone of Flowering Time?". Retrieved 2006-11-23.

Further reading

  • Allen, Don Cameron. "The Predecessors of Champollion", Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society, Vol. 144, No. 5. (1960), pp. 527–547.
  • Adkins, Lesley; Adkins, Roy. The Keys of Egypt: The Obsession to Decipher Egyptian Hieroglyphs. New York: HarperCollins Publishers, 2000 (hardcover, ISBN 0-06-019439-1); 2001 (paperback, ISBN 0-00-653145-8).
  • Downs, Jonathan. "Romancing the Stone", History Today, Vol. 56, Issue 5. (May, 2006), pp. 48–54.
  • Parkinson, Richard. Cracking Codes: the Rosetta Stone, and Decipherment. Berkeley, CA; Los Angeles; London: University of California Press, 1999 (hardcover, ISBN 0-520-22306-3; paperback, ISBN 0-520-22248-2); London: British Museum Press, 1999 (paperback, ISBN 0-7141-1916-4).
  • Parkinson, Richard. The Rosetta Stone. Objects in Focus; London: British Museum Press 2005 (paperback ISBN 978-0714150215).
  • Ray, John. The Rosetta Stone and the Rebirth of Ancient Egypt (Wonders of the World). Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 2007 (hardcover, ISBN 978-0674024939).
  • Solé, Robert; Valbelle, Dominique. The Rosetta Stone: The Story of the Decoding of Hieroglyphics. New York: Four Walls Eight Windows, 2002 (hardcover, ISBN 1-56858-226-9).
  • Budge, E. A. Wallis (1989). The Rosetta Stone. Mineola, NY: Dover Publications. ISBN 0-486-26163-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

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