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Category:Former country subdivisions

Category:Former country subdivisions - i collected some cats there to see what exists and how naming is done. I found lots of other "Former ..." cats. FYI, you did not write HistoricAL. The cats I found use AL. Maybe your english is poor as mine : [1] Some German speaker with poor English skills has corrupted the correct "Administrative Divisions" into "Subdivisions". :-) The term is used by ISO 3166-2. LOL Tell no one they are based in Berlin (IIRC) Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Dunno what I was thinking, but "historical", of course, is what I should have written. It's little things which gave Stirlitz away :) Funny thing about those "subdivisions" though—most dictionaries indeed define "subdivision" as an "act of dividing the land into pieces" (I did not know it was the primary meaning), but one would think the "poor applicability" of the term would have been caught a lot earlier. In fact I think I was prevented from using more precise terms (in favor of "subdivisions") by native English speakers (masquerading Germans, I guess) a while back when I was working on Russian federal subjects overview. Anyway, ISO or not, "administrative divisions" seems to be a better choice, don't you think? And thanks for the cat pointer—it's pretty interesting.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 15:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL it was me who did not write the AL on the CfD page. maybe you just copied this afterwards. Subdivision as you call it may be US usage only. We should discuss the term at Talk:Subdivision. Canada usage is different. One can divide lots of things, that some USians now only use the word in one meaning is their problem. Administrative divisions would not include census divisions or other official statistical groupings. Can be desired or not. But then the contents of the cats in some instances have to change too. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

That's one of the things that I think are better left to native speakers to decide. I left another def link at Talk:Subdivision. Most of the dictionaries define "subdivisions" as land lots, but then most of those dictionaries are American anyway. The word, as applied to administrative divisions, sounds perfectly fine to me, but since I am not a native speaker I may be very wrong in that regard. Please keep me posted if anything new develops. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 18:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_11#Category:Former_country_subdivisions
• Talk:Administrative division has a voting Tobias Conradi (Talk) 11:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_4 - subdivisions survived. So maybe better to use "Category:Historical subdivisions by country" at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 11 . A division has much more other meaning in administrative context. See: Division (subnational entity). Historical divisions by country could also be military units, and interfere with Category:Divisions. Subdividing is not that wrong as a term. A country can be divided (into Christian Bushland and Leftwing States) and it can be subdivided. "Sub" is IMO not that wrong as William thinks. Originaly the term as he uses it, really came from sub-dividing something. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

  It's not that I disagree with you, but I'd rather like to hear an opinion of a native speaker specializing in this topic (or at least in linguistics). The only linguist I've seen around is Angr, so I asked him. Until this clears, I will try to avoid using the term "subdivisions" in any new cases. Correct or not, this needs to be researched properly before we produce/move a bunch of new articles/cats.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 22:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

помощь с переводом

Привет помоги, пожалуйста, не могу перевести предложение.

Yet more complexity is introduced here than might be expected. The programmer (especially the functional programmer) will pick up right away on the significance of introducing time and state (memory).

Что значит выделенный фрагмент?

Навреное, не мешало бы поправить текст, т.к. по словарю это разговорный, а не литературный.

Ъыь 07:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

"To pick up on smth." = "to grasp, to understand smth.", т.е. отрывок можно перевести как "программист (в особенности функциональный) немедленно поймёт значимость введения понятий времени и состояния (памяти)". Единственное, насчёт чего я не очень уверен — это словосочетание "функциональный программист". По-русски так можно сказать? Если нет, то можно перефразировать на что-то вроде "специализирующийся в функциональном программировании".

Что касается "to pick up on", то это довольно разговорное выражение.

Надеюсь, помог. Дай знать, если есть ещё вопросы.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 12:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Спасибо большое! (ё!) Ъыь 15:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Tobias

Tobias sometimes does this, to be more objective. Or to look so - this is not very clear to him. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Kuban kazak

Yeah, there were 3 more autoblocks that pgk unblocked.--Commander Keane 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Whoa! How come they didn't show up in the list of currently blocked IP addresses and usernames when I looked Kuban kazak's username up?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 20:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Well the search doesn't work for that. pgk's approach: "since the autoblocks were from the user himself, I went to the ipblocklist, selected next 500 and searched within the page for his name, then next 500 the same.". You need to manually check the ipblocklist for autoblocks from the blocking admin.--Commander Keane 20:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, crap, I didn't know the search didn't work (never needed to look that far back before, I guess). Thanks for the tip, though—very good to know!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 20:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Stubs

There's an archived discussion here. The salient points seem to be

• There's not a mandated place.
• Stubs are an editor feature (and a form of sef-reference) so belong at the end after user features. Regards. Rich Farmbrough 12:38 14 April 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for pointing me out to the archived discussion; while I was sure the issue had been discussed before, I was unable to find an archived thread on my own.

One question I still have is about your second point above. Stub notices are an editor's feature, true, but to the reader the categories will always show in the very bottom of the page, no matter where in the edit screen they are located. For the reader, it really makes no difference. For the sake of editors (those, who frequent the "edit this page" tab), however, wouldn't it be more convenient to leave the stubs immediately after the main text (i.e., before cats and interwikis), especially since the location isn't mandated anyway? I realize that "stubs-to-bottom" is an AWB feature, but somehow in the archived discussion nobody mentioned the point I am trying to make. What do you think?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Stubs include a category, so they should definately come after any "real" categories. Before or after interwiki is debateable, perhaps it doesn't matter much. Rich Farmbrough 17:24 14 April 2006 (UTC).

I guess I simply do not understand the purpose. OK, suppose we put the stub notices after categories, but what's the point? It makes no difference to readers (cats will show up in the browser after stub notices anyway), and it makes no difference to most of the editors. It is a minor annoyance to editors like me, however, who are accustomed to seeing stub notices right after the main text. Now, on the other hand, if we put notices to where editors like me are accustomed to seeing them (right after text), it would have no effect whatsoever on readers (the article will look exactly the same), and those editors who did not care in the first place will continue to not care about it. Editors like me will get rid of the inconvenience. So, is it really worth to inconvenience some people just for the sake logical purity of the article's structure?

Speaking of "logical purity", I don't even see it. If the article structure is "text+stubs+cats+iw", then, if some stubs contain cats, it translates to "text+(stub+cat)+cats+iw" = "text+stub+cats+iw"—nice and logical. If we put stubs after main categories, then the final structure will look like "text+cats+(stub+cat)+iw"—category list flow is interrupted. What's the logic in that? No matter which way you put it, it does not make sense!

I am not trying to make a big deal out of it, lest you got that impression; it is admittedly a very insignificant point. It's just that I enjoy being logical as much as the next guy, and just couldn't miss a chance to debate such a woefully incongruous inconsistency. If I missed anything in my logic or if you are sick and tired of this discussion, please let me know—I have no intention of forcing you to continue discussion you do not enjoy (I'm only keeping it out of my eternal ever-burning desire to get to the bottom of things :). Best, —Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 18:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

If you look here you will see that having stub before cats gives a cat listing like this:
Categories: Northwestern Russia geography stubs | Cities and towns in Vologda Oblast.
Rich Farmbrough 21:11 14 April 2006 (UTC).

Ah, got you! Only took me what? A day?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

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Man, you've just stolen my idea :)—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

TfD Subnational entity

• Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_16#Template:Subnational_entity Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Subdivision category debate

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I loved the "Участники за букву ё" on your Russian user page! I support it too. See reply about Altay on my talk page.--Amir E. Aharoni 21:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Reference desk/Language

Hi Ezhiki! Someone at the Language Reference Desk could use your help. Would you please take a look at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Question_about_Russian? I would be very grateful if you could contribute to the discussion. Thank you in advance. Daniel Šebesta (talk • contribs) 16:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I am not a linguist, so I provided a very simple explanation based on my knowledge of Russian. Hopefully that'll suffice.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 17:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I supposed you weren't a linguist, but I still decided to ask you for help as you are a native speaker. I think you've given a helpful explanation, though! Thank you! Daniel Šebesta (talk • contribs) 17:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Old oblasts

I thought you might like this:[2]. And this [3]. Don't worry it is the site that needs permission not you actually quite a lot of pre-1973 stuff there. --Kuban Cossack 21:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the first one has no references, but it can be useful for re-checking. As for the second—whoa, thanks! It's the next best thing to this! I only wish I had enough time and skill to process these maps into something usable by Wikipedia. I now have one less reason to procrastinate with the Russian historical divisions project :)21:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

.ogg formatting

Hello Ezhiki! Would you have any objections if I restylized the .ogg formatting on the Kaliningrad Oblast towns to the following (using Pravdinsk as an example)?

Pravdinsk (Russian: ; until 1946 German: ; Lithuanian: Romuva; Polish: Frydląd) is a town in Kaliningrad Oblast...

It removes the lengthy "pronunciation" while still having links to Help and Info. Olessi 19:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, help and info links do not concern me as much as the loss of the lang-ru template. Perhaps we could abbreviate the word "pronunciation" or replace it with something shorter? The only reason why I even bothered to reformat the intro in the first place was to retain both lang-ru and the audio. Your new version looks and reads better, there is no doubt about that, but it loses {{lang-ru}}. I see that as an unacceptable loss. I'll try to tweak the intro a bit more to combine the best of both versions, but I can't promise I'll be successful. Do you have any ideas as to how both templates can be retained without making the intro look ugly? If all else fails, perhaps it would be better to make a small infobox just for audio. It's just a wild idea, though.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 19:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused by your preference for the lang-ru template. It is my understanding that the lang templates exist to make things a tad easier for contributors to type; there's no visual difference in the actual article. Aside from consistency with using {{lang-lt}} for Romuva and {{lang-pl}} for Frydląd, what is the advantage of using {{lang-ru}}?

Here are some of the various formatting styles I have seen used:

• German: [my preference]
• German: Marienburg ()
• German: Marienburg

The middle choice (currently used at Pravdinsk) looks ok if it is the only "alternative" name listed, but when multiple names are listed "pronunciation" and the extra parentheses clutter everything up. I don't have any experience with coding templates myself, so I'm not sure how to design a better template. It seems to me that improving the article's visual flow would be more important than maintaining internal consistency that only editors would see, not readers. Olessi 19:46, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry, I didn't realize you were not aware of the {{lang-ru}} template's details; I should have explained. You are right that there is no visual difference. The template, however, also adds metadata, marking the text as written in the Russian language (by means of the HTML span tags), which, among other things, is important for indexing the text by the search engines. See template talk:lang-ru and template talk:lang-uk for more information on that. I realize, of course, that having audio is more important than having metadata, but since the two templates are not mutually exclusive, I'd rather that we find a way of combining them somehow.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 20:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting stuff to learn about the template. Is that something specific to the Russian template or is it used in other language templates as well? I first became aware of the proposed formatting when User:David Kernow added it to Prussia. I don't know if he would have any solutions, but would you mind if I invited him to look at the formatting and see if he has any ideas? Olessi 20:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course I wouldn't! The more the merrier.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 20:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ëzhiki, Olessi: Great to see you're already well into sorting out what occurred to me when I came by the Prussia article (also Sambia, maybe one other... need to check contribution history), i.e. combining the language and pronunciation links. My next thought is whether a combined template is possible, one that produces the "German: " kind of format and carries the metadata Ëzhiki mentions above. What do you think?  Regards, David Kernow 01:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, David, thanks for joining in. I kind of produced a quick fix in the past (see, for example, Pionersky, Kaliningrad Oblast), but as Olessi rightfully noted, it looks ugly. I tried tinkering with lang-ru/audio combination, and was unable to produce anything better. Perhaps, the solution would be to create a new set of template, something like {{audio-ru}}, which would produce the desired input and retain the metadata?—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 18:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

That would be useful; are there any template-makers-for-hire available? Olessi 22:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but since I don't know any, I'll try to make one myself this week. Just let me know if David's version above looks OK, or if you want it to look differently (if so, please provide an example I can work with). Thanks!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 01:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

where are you?

Category:Wikipedians by number of edits Toby / Tobias Conradi (Talk) 00:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that cat, but I will not list myself there as I'm trying to get a hold of my (already bad) editcountitis. If you are interested in my edit count, it's around 12K; that info is on my userpage. Why are you interested? P.S. Toby??!!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 18:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• it is WP:POINT if Tobias calls Tobias Toby. Toby just wanted to let you know that the cat exists. He thinks adding you to the cat would not encourage edit countities. Especially if you have the data on your user page anyway. Tobias whishes you a nice week. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 01:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Microdistrict

Awesome :) Renata 03:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Microdistrict, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks!—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 11:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Easter greetings

Khristos voskrese! --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't celebrate Easter, but thanks for the gesture! Happy Easter to you too.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 14:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Deleted bios

You deleted my bios on Moskovskyy Pyasatel. The people are real and are notable as they are prime ministers or leaders of the village.Abc85 11:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Would you cut it out, please? The joke is getting stale, not to mention your bio-articles did not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. If you insist on inclusion, please provide references which would allow us to see that these people are notable. Same goes for other "пясатель"-related materials you wrote.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 11:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)