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Nathan Cleverly is a British professional boxer who currently fights in the [[Light heavyweight]] division. He is the current holder of the [[Commonwealth]] title for that weight.<ref>[http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=324239&cat=boxer Boxrec | Nathan Cleverly professional record]</ref><ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7662521.stm BBC Sport | Cleverly wins Commonwealth crown]</ref> |
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==Early Professional Career== |
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Cleverly made his professional debut in July 2005 with a four round victory over journeyman Ernie Smith at the [[Meadowbank]] Sports Center in [[Edinburgh]] and within a year had compiled a winning ledger of 6-0. His first fight of substance however was in October 2006 when he met Liverpool's [[Tony Quigley]] at the [[MEN Arena]] in [[Manchester]]. The fight which was on the undercard to the match up between [[Joe Calzaghe]] and [[Sakio Bika]] ended in a 5th round stoppage for Cleverly and handed Quigley his first pro defeat. |
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The next big test for the young prospect took place at the [[Millenium Stadium]] in [[Cardiff]] just over a year later in September 2007 when Cleverly met tough Ugandan [[Joey Vegas]]. Cleverly at that time boasted a record of 10-0 and Vegas 10-1. The fight ended with a gruelling points win over 8 rounds for the [[Welshman]] in what was his toughest fight to date. Speaking about the result to the BBC and referring to the sparring he received in the [[Enzo Calzaghe]] gym, Cleverly said ''"I'm still young and won't be hitting my peak for about eight years, but think how good the wars I'm having in the gym now are doing me for the future...I want to keep on progressing, to go for the British title, then maybe a world crown in a couple of years."'' <ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/low/boxing/7078017.stm BBC Sport | Cleverly - Following in Calzaghe's footsteps]</ref> |
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Cleverly had made a point of fighting on the undercards of his stablemate [[Joe Calzaghe]] with the Vegas fight being one of the prelims to Calzaghes World title unification fight against [[Mikkel Kessler]]. The next stop however was the real Vegas, Las Vegas to support Calzaghes attempt to win [[The Ring Magazine]]'s Light heavyweight belt against American fighter [[Bernard Hopkins]]. Cleverly, fighting outside the UK for the first time as a pro also faced American opposition and beat [[Antonio Baker]] over 8 rounds.<ref>[http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/grassroots/rhymney-valley-sport/2008/04/24/boxing-a-winner-like-joe-91466-20808812/ Wales Online | A winner like Joe]</ref> |
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In September 2008, the young boxer chose to leave [[Enzo Calzaghe]]'s gym where he had trained throughout his career and begin training at his father's gym in South Wales. Speaking about his decision to leave the gym Cleverly said ''"I have been trained by Enzo Calzaghe for six years since my youth days so leaving him has been one of the hardest decision I've ever had to make...Enzo is largely responsible for where I am in my career and I cannot thank him enough for what he has done for me."'' Cleverly had been concerned following the legal wranglings between promoter [[Frank Warren]] and his former stablemate [[Joe Calzaghe]] and added ''"I cannot take any chances with my career...I take boxing very seriously and want to be world champion. Hopefully Frank can sort that out for me".'' <ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7598818.stm BBC Sport | Cleverly leaves Calzaghe stable]</ref> |
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Sort that out he did when in October 2008 Cleverly landed a shot at the vacant Commonwealth light heavyweight title topping the bill for the first time in his career at the [[Everton Park]] Sports Center in [[Liverpool]]. His opponent was the experienced former British champion [[Tony Oakey]] who he beat on points over 12 rounds. Speaking after picking up his first belt Cleverly said ''"What a memorable night for me, winning a title is something I have dreamed of since I was a kid...I have worked hard for this but this is just the start for me - I want to rule the world."'' <ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7662521.stm BBC Sport | Cleverly wins Commonwealth crown]</ref> |
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Revision as of 23:56, 10 October 2008
Nathan Cleverly | |
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| Born | Nathan Cleverly 17 February 1987 |
| Nationality |  United Kingdom |
| Statistics | |
| Weight(s) | Light heavyweight |
| Stance | Orthodox |
| Boxing record | |
| Total fights | 13 |
| Wins | 13 |
| Wins by KO | 3 |
| Losses | 0 |
| Draws | 0 |
Nathan Cleverly is a British professional boxer who currently fights in the Light heavyweight division. He is the current holder of the Commonwealth title for that weight.[1][2]
Early Professional Career
Cleverly made his professional debut in July 2005 with a four round victory over journeyman Ernie Smith at the Meadowbank Sports Center in Edinburgh and within a year had compiled a winning ledger of 6-0. His first fight of substance however was in October 2006 when he met Liverpool's Tony Quigley at the MEN Arena in Manchester. The fight which was on the undercard to the match up between Joe Calzaghe and Sakio Bika ended in a 5th round stoppage for Cleverly and handed Quigley his first pro defeat.
The next big test for the young prospect took place at the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff just over a year later in September 2007 when Cleverly met tough Ugandan Joey Vegas. Cleverly at that time boasted a record of 10-0 and Vegas 10-1. The fight ended with a gruelling points win over 8 rounds for the Welshman in what was his toughest fight to date. Speaking about the result to the BBC and referring to the sparring he received in the Enzo Calzaghe gym, Cleverly said "I'm still young and won't be hitting my peak for about eight years, but think how good the wars I'm having in the gym now are doing me for the future...I want to keep on progressing, to go for the British title, then maybe a world crown in a couple of years." [3]
Cleverly had made a point of fighting on the undercards of his stablemate Joe Calzaghe with the Vegas fight being one of the prelims to Calzaghes World title unification fight against Mikkel Kessler. The next stop however was the real Vegas, Las Vegas to support Calzaghes attempt to win The Ring Magazine's Light heavyweight belt against American fighter Bernard Hopkins. Cleverly, fighting outside the UK for the first time as a pro also faced American opposition and beat Antonio Baker over 8 rounds.[4]
Changing Stables
In September 2008, the young boxer chose to leave Enzo Calzaghe's gym where he had trained throughout his career and begin training at his father's gym in South Wales. Speaking about his decision to leave the gym Cleverly said "I have been trained by Enzo Calzaghe for six years since my youth days so leaving him has been one of the hardest decision I've ever had to make...Enzo is largely responsible for where I am in my career and I cannot thank him enough for what he has done for me." Cleverly had been concerned following the legal wranglings between promoter Frank Warren and his former stablemate Joe Calzaghe and added "I cannot take any chances with my career...I take boxing very seriously and want to be world champion. Hopefully Frank can sort that out for me". [5]
Commonwealth Champion
Sort that out he did when in October 2008 Cleverly landed a shot at the vacant Commonwealth light heavyweight title topping the bill for the first time in his career at the Everton Park Sports Center in Liverpool. His opponent was the experienced former British champion Tony Oakey who he beat on points over 12 rounds. Speaking after picking up his first belt Cleverly said "What a memorable night for me, winning a title is something I have dreamed of since I was a kid...I have worked hard for this but this is just the start for me - I want to rule the world." [6]