Talk:David Cook (singer)

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I know that David Cook is great, David Cook is a real good singer in american idol. From the first time i saw him i knew he was going to win it all. Cook is a well man and hope he will be healthy for his life but please keep this page a discussion of the article, not a forum.--Panic!out (talk) 17:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

dane cook

Is David cook related to Dane Cook, the comedian? I read that they are cousins, but I cannot find anything about this. Sp0 (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Officially the winner

As of 11:01 AST David Cook is the winner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.145.236 (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

MAn you guys are fast! Androo123 (talk) 02:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be "On May 21, 2008 David was declared the winner..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.213.182 (talk) 02:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please

Please do not add unfree images to the infobox or anywhere else within the article if possible. Also, no links within the article to YouTube or other video sites per our policies. Thanks. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:59, 7 March 2008 (U

College

Was it University of Central Missouri or Central Missouri State University? And did he graduate in 2006 or not at all? This article needs sources and the only ones I've found so far don't support the statements in the article.[1][2]↔NMajdan•talk 12:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I found that Central Missouri State University redirects to University of Central Missouri because the Central Missouri State U was changed to U of Central Missouri. So theyre the same thing, according to my unreliable source, Wikipedia. --DerRichter (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Haha. Oops. Guess I should have checked the link myself. BUT, the question of whether or not he graduated remains. I'm tempted to go ahead and remove the sentence saying he graduated in 2006 as the only source I have found says this: "But after two semesters, Cook abandoned the scholarship and his interest in theater for another performing art - music."↔NMajdan•talk 16:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Eh, his AI profile says his proudest moment was graduating college, so I guess I'll hold off.[3].↔NMajdan•talk 16:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I found a story by the Associated Press that says he graduated in 2006 with a major in graphics design. Also, I added info about his bands and discography.Lauracs (talk) 02:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Perfect, great work.↔NMajdan•talk 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

WHAT does the "AC" mean on his guitar? I can't find it anywhere. ↔User:freepatriot 09:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC -5) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.233.189.51 (talk)

In TV Guide he said that he would put his older brothers' (Adam and Andrew) initials on everything he had, as a superstition. Also one of the Axium songs is called AC. Will try to work it into the article.Lauracs (talk) 12:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

He graduated with a degree in Graphic Arts Technology Management (functional major) according to the school's site, not graphic design. Its a substantial difference between the two. Should be switched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.136.132 (talk) 03:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Page location

Is David Cook notable enough as the AI winner that he should take the main article David Cook (and the current dab page moved to David Cook (disambiguation)? CrazyC83 (talk) 12:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No, per WP:MUSIC. I'd say if he has more than one charting (referring to Nielsen BDS, Radio and Records, or Mediabase charts... not the Hot 100) single, then we could discuss this again. But I don't think he's notable enough, just yet. --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 23:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

First midwesterner?

I removed the part of the article where it said he was the first midwesterner to win. Cook was from Missouri/Oklahoma and, with Carrie Underwood being a winner from Oklahoma, I don't think Cook counts as the first midwesterner.↔NMajdan•talk 13:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

NPOV CHECK

This reads like a David Cook fansite, not an encyclopedia entry. This should be dissected and questioned for its biased information. For example, it says he "shot" to #1, but doesn't explain where it shot to #1, what list, where, etc. this is a fansite, not an informational page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.225.221 (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree that "shot to the top" is not an appropriate idiom for an enclycopedic article. Probably two-thirds of the colorful expressions that pop up in articles could be replaced with simple, single verbs--very often some form of "to be" or "to become." On that note, if I were writing this in an article rather than a talk page, I would have said "appear" rather than "pop up" in the first sentence. Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that we should give it a week or so before doing any full scale toning down. And that's just because the amazing amount of activity we tend to see immediately after the finale. But yeah, after that has passed, both this article and Archuleta's need major pruning. Otherwise, we're going to have another Sanjaya Malakar on our hands. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree we need more NPOV in Idol articles. They should be written like we are reading them a year from now and cutting out stuff that won't really matter to anyone then (like who was the second to be first in the bottom 3 after the 4th runner up, etc).--MartinezMD (talk) 06:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

David Archuleta

Should the fact that David Archuleta came in second be mentioned in the introduction to this article? I, personally, am rather indifferent on the issue, but I figured I'd create this section as an alternative to all the edit-warring that has been going on about it. (See also the discussion at Talk:David_Archuleta#David_Cook.) Cosmic Latte (talk) 02:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Should we mention who came in third then? or fourth? After a year, will anyone care? The article is about Cook, not American Idol (granted it is his claim to fame). The article is long enough and already too large as it is. We need to pare it down. If someone wants to know who came in what place, they can read the Idol article. just my opinion, but I think it's a reasonable one.--MartinezMD (talk) 10:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

In the lead, no. As I've reverted, more than once already, that particular piece of information is not relevant to this article. If this were the American Idol (Season 7) article, then it would be relevant for the lead. Per MartinezMD's comment, if we're going to include Archuleta in the lead, then we may as well include the rest of the top 16. I have no problem with the fact that Cook beat Archuleta in the finale being mentioned somewhere else in the article, but the lead is not appropriate.

Oh, and in response to the user that left the edit summary of "David Cook would not be where he is today without David Archuleta," (roughly quoted, sorry) are you serious? Are you really trying to claim that because of David Archuleta, David Cook won Idol? The two events are coincidentally related, not directly. But, that's just my thought on the question... --InDeBiz1 Review me! / Talk to me! 10:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

In any event, I think that Cook and Archuleta should be mentioned somewhere in one another's articles (and, as of now, they are, so I'm mainly offering this as an afterthought). As I noted in a minor edit to the Archuleta article, the Cook-Archuleta pairing may have been coincidental, but it's also a salient aspect of their identities and lives, and an aspect that people who are interested in either singer might want to know. In a world (however contrived) of individual champions, the "moment of truth" (so to speak) occurs when two contenders are left standing. Cosmic Latte (talk) 12:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Crazy

It is really strange that these "flash in the pan" celebrities are getting these entries...someone needs to start policing Wikipedia and start making decisions upon who is really a valid entry here and who isn't...David Cook in essence is simply a winner on a game show...by this rationale, should we make entries for every lottery winner, game show winner, carnival stuffed animal winner, etc...what's important and what is really important is so blurred today, it's hair splitting...of course now, irrational people will take this as a slander on Cook, when it isn't, I could care less about these assembly line, cookie cutter American Idol winners, I'm just talking about VALID ENTRIES75.4.201.214 (talk) 06:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Cook is no Paris Hilton. This kid has a real talent. In addition, his performances on Idol alone have generated significant music sales. I can't predict if he will have success like Kelly Clarkson, but I would not be surprised. Save the 'flash in the pan' views for celebutantes whose only claims to fame are a daddy's wallet.--MartinezMD (talk) 10:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote Martinez? My last line states that this is not a slam on Cook, just the fact that "flavor of the month" celebrities, regardless of talent or no talent, are getting bigger entries and hits than people like George Washington and Napoleon here (not to be taken literally, I'm just trying to prove a point)...history proves that there have been many "flash in the pans" who HAVE talent...just go down the line of years of music starting from the 1920s and you will see what I mean...music sales do not mean genius, or importance, Star Wars made billions yet it doesn't mean it's quality film making, just because billions think it is...it's mindless fun, just like most American Idol winners' recurrent albums... John Coltrane never sold more than 100,000 records in his lifetime and yet, well if you don't know his importance, check out his Wikipedia entry... 75.4.201.214 (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

1. I don't think this kind of talk (forum talk) is allowed here and 2. David Cook at the moment is a celebrity so let him have his article and stop trying to troll the place Ziplizard (talk) 21:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Ziplizard: I thought a forum was just that, a FORUM, a place to exchange thoughts and ideas about Wikipedia and the entries included within...why is the general consensus that anyone who doesn't sign in/have an account must automatically be a troll? Again, I'll write it one more time and all you Cookophants can keep reading between the lines and think I am slamming him, Wikipedia is not a forum for fanbases...it is simply not..."David Cook is at the moment a celebrity so let him have his article"...think about how ludicrous that statement is...if Wikipedia could see the distinction between the two issues of encyclopedia importance, they would put guidelines here and certain things wouldn't get approved just because "people gush all over it"...that's what Myspace is for, once again, this has never been an attack on David Cook...nobody is attacking anyone personally, I've just been pointing out certain things about Wikipedia and users priorities that's all...I'm not here to stir trouble, only the contrary, to OPEN EYES... 75.4.201.214 (talk) 23:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

IP-75.4.201.214, your points are certainly worth expressing and considering. I don't deny that at all, and I certainly hold no prejudices toward unregistered users. Some of the best edits I've seen have come from anonymous users. The thing is, as worthwhile as your personal views may be, Wikipedia articles and talk pages are probably not the most expedient place for them to be expressed or considered, unless they either invoke or complement WP policies and guidelines. Also note the following reminder from the talk page article: "Talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views" (emphasis in original!). If you think you have a strong enough case to nominate an article for deletion, then by all means, go ahead. Just make sure that anything you suggest is in full accordance with WP policies and guidelines. To paraphrase an old saying: "When in Wikipedia, do as the Wikipedians do." Cosmic Latte (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I should point out that Wikipedia does provide a platform for editors to express their personal views. However, that platform is not here, in the talk pages, but rather here, in the essay section. Cosmic Latte (talk) 11:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

14-June-2008: Many times, Wikipedia articles are on the verge of major notability, so it is good to reserve judgment for a few months, before claiming obscurity. In the case of David Cook, the predictions came true and he charted 11 hits in early June 2008, pushing the Beatles record of 14 hits in 1964. I recommend, list more people and fewer cartoon/Pokemon characters. -Wikid77 (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Pruning it

I think the performances section needs to be nixed completely and the section before it trimmed down since it's a Cook article and not an Idol article. This isn't a fan site and that information can be found in numerous other places. Anyone agree/disagree? I'd like opinions before I cut it out.--MartinezMD (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, way too much family info in the early life section. His brother is a teacher, etc... That will be cut too unless someone has a very good reason not to do it.--MartinezMD (talk) 23:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

The performance section exists on Jordin Sparks page and Carrie Underwood's (also Fantasia and Ruben) page but not Taylor Hicks page nor Kelly Clarkson. They all seem to have a early life section with "too much family" info. If your going to prune the performance section then they need to be pruned on all of the winner pages (actually all of the contestants pages then) --Mjrmtg (talk) 00:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well pruning those sections may be good too. You have my vote to go ahead with it. I'll wait to see if I get any more opinions before I do it here. :) --MartinezMD (talk) 03:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

prizes?

can someone please list the prizes Cook won for winning American Idol? Kingturtle (talk) 23:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

He won $1,000,000 and a recording contract. Unfortunately, he will have to do what Idol makes him. Dcrocks96 (talk) 5:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Include Fanbase? (WordNerds)

Since David Archuleta's page includes something about the "Arch Angels", I think David Cook's should include information about the "WordNerds". I'm new to Wikipedia, and the "edit this page" button isn't there. I have gathered information from the WordNerds in the American Idol Website Forums on what to include, and I want to know if any of you would tell me how to edit the page. Also please leave other comments. Thanks Alexroxygirl —Preceding comment was added at 16:35, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's good that you're interested in editing! The reason you don't see the "edit this page" tab is because this article is semi-protected, so you won't be able to edit the page until you've had your account for 4 days. Let me (or anyone) know if you need any help or suggestions. Cosmic Latte (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Alex, just because one article has a bad section doesn't mean it should be expanded to other articles. An entire section about fans is not appropriate in an encyclopedia article unless they do something notable. Fans can use fan websites. --MartinezMD (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Uh, Martinez, I think Alex has a good idea going. If you have a problem with putting something on wikipedia that has something to do with an article, then clearly you dont know what youre talking about. Fans are the thing that keep the people in the business. So Alex go ahead! Dcrocks96 2:25 24 July 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Date of Birth Removed

I had to remove the date of birth as it was challenged by a fact tag and per the policy as quoted on top of this talk page, it had to be removed. Sawblade05 ^{(talk to me | my wiki life)} 09:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ryan Tedder Will NOT Be Working With DC for Upcoming Album

Tedder recently told ABC News Radio that the rumors are running rampant, but they’re just not true:

“No, there are all these rumors swirling about me, and, us and American Idols. And it even says on Wikipedia that I’m working with David Cook and Archuleta. I have not worked with either of them, and I don’t have either of them on the schedule.”

I removed it. Alexroxygirl (talk) 19:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh man. That sucks. Dcrocks96 (talk) 5:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed a few of the links in that section. It showed errors in the reference section. If anyone wants to adjust them further, go right ahead. Just lets keep rumors out of the article. It's not what it's for. --MartinezMD (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah it does suck. I was looking forward to him with Ryan Tedder. Oh well. BTW, this is alexroxygirl. I just didn't feel like signing in lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.152.235 (talk) 20:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i am like a fan of OneRepublic and i was like awesome when i read it and my mom said it would be an awesome album. So now i am sad. . . :-( But it will still be an awesome album!!! Dcrocks96 2:17, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

"middle of 3 brothers"?

I think this line in the bio section is a little misleading, since as far as I've heard Andrew is David's only full sibling. Adam is a half-brother, but there are half-sisters as well through Beth Foraker's 2nd husband. Why are they not mentioned? This line gives the impression that there are only 3 sibs, they are of the same parents, and both are incorrect.

Maybe it's best to simply mention Andrew in the context of his getting David to try out for Idol, and Adam in the context of "AC" and the cancer-fighting efforts...? Summerdaze97 (talk) 21:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Performance Chart

Since you know he was "safe" each time because he advanced to the next round, is that column even needed? It seems unnecessary imho. I'd remove it but don't want to risk messing up the rest of the chart. --MartinezMD (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Well there could be a possiblitiy of someone thinking he was in the bottom 3 one of the nights, but just didn't leave. But he wasn't, so I think we should leave it up. Alexroxygirl (talk) 03:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)