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'''Bulimia nervosa''' is an [[eating disorder]] characterized by recurrent [[binge eating]], followed by compensatory behaviors, referred to as "purging".<ref name="dsm">{{cite book|title = [[Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders]] DSM-IV-TR|year = 1994|edition = 4th|publisher = [[American Psychiatric Association]]|isbn = 0890420629}}</ref> The most common form—practiced more than 75% of people with bulimia nervosa—is [[defensive vomiting|self-induced vomiting]]; [[fasting]], the use of [[laxative]]s, [[enema]]s, [[diuretic]]s, and overexercising are also common.<ref>{{citation|title = Overcoming Binge Eating|first1 = Christopher|last1 = Fairburn|publisher = Guilford|year = 1995|isbn = 0898621798}}</ref>
==Sickert==


The word ''bulimia'' derives from the Latin (''būlīmia'') from the Greek ''βουλῑμια'' (boulīmia; ravenous hunger), a compound of ''βους'' (bous), ox + ''λῑμος'' (līmos), hunger.<ref>{{cite web|title = Online Etymology Dictionary: bulimia|date = November 2001|accessdate = 2008-04-06|author = Douglas Harper|work = [[Online Etymology Dictionary]]|url = http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=bulimia&searchmode=none}}</ref>
Thanks for your generous comment. I hope you will be able to contribute to some of the art articles here - which are often sorely in need of attention! Editors with a sentitivity to painting are sorely needed. [[User:Paul Barlow|Paul B]] 11:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


==Morris Weiss==
== Diagnosis ==
According to the [[Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders]] (DSM-IV TR) published by the [[American Psychological Association]], the criteria for diagnosing a patient with bulimia are:
Very kind of you to say. You'll see from my [[User:Tenebrae|user page]] that I have a great respect and admiration for the pioneers who made this field happen. As soon as I get a chance I'll be expanding your dad's bio; the ''Alter Ego'' interview is so long it's been daunting me, but I've been wanting to glean info from it. I'll let you know when I do.


* Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterized by both of the following:
Glad to see you've registered, and here are a few good links for newcomers:
** Eating, in a fixed period of time, an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat under similar circumstances.
** A lack of control over eating during the episode: a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating.
* Recurrent inappropriate compensatory behavior to prevent weight gain, such as: self-induced vomiting; misuse of [[laxatives]], diuretics, or other medications; fasting; excessive exercise.
* Self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight.
* These symptoms occur at least twice a week on average and persist for at least 3 months.
* The disturbance does not occur exclusively during episodes of [[Anorexia Nervosa]].<ref name="durand">{{citation|title = Abnormal Psychology: An Integrative Approach|isbn = 0534633625|first1 = David H|last1 = Barlow|first2 = V Mark|last2 = Durand|date = July 2004|publisher = [[Thomson Corporation|Thomson Wadsworth]]}}</ref>


There are two sub-types of Bulimia Nervosa: purging and non-purging.
*If you haven't already, drop by the [[Wikipedia:New user log|New user log]] and tell others a bit about yourself.
* '''Purging Type''': the patient uses self-induced [[vomiting]] (which may include use of [[emetic]]s such as [[syrup of ipecac]]) and other ways to rapidly remove food from the body before it can be digested, such as [[laxatives]], [[diuretics]], and [[enemas]].
* '''Non-purging Type''': occurring in approximately 6%-8% of cases, in which the patient uses excessive exercise or fasting after a binge to offset the caloric intake after eating. Purging-type bulimics may also exercise or fast, but as a secondary form of weight control.<ref name="durand" />


The onset of Bulimia Nervosa is often during adolesence (between 13 and 20 years of age), with many sufferers relapsing in adulthood into episodic binging and purging even after initially successful treatment and remission.<ref>{{citation|last1 = Agras |first1 = W S|contribution = Disorders of eating: anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa and binge eating disorder|editor-last = Shader|editor-first = R I|title = Manual of psychiatric therapeutics|publisher = [[Lippincott Williams & Wilkins]]|year = 2004|isbn = 0781744598}}</ref>
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Bulimia Nervosa can be difficult to detect, compared to Anorexia Nervosa , because bulimics tend to be of average or slightly above or below average weight. Many bulimics may also engage in significantly disordered eating and exercising patterns without meeting the full diagnostic criteria for Bulimia Nervosa.<ref>{{citation|title = Detection, evaluation, and treatment of eating disorders|last1 = Walsh|first1 = J M E|last2 = Wheat|first2 = M.E|last3 = Freund|first3 = K|journal = Journal of General Internal Medicine|volume = 15|number = 8|pages = 577–590|year = 2000|publisher = Springer|url = http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1495575|doi = 10.1046/j.1525-1497.2000.02439.x|pmid = 10940151}}</ref>
Happy Wiki-ing! --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] 13:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


== Prevalence ==
Happy Wiki-ing!
==Hi==
Hi, I'm glad that you were impressed with Wikipedia after hearing reading about it in the New Yorker--I just wanted to take a moment to welcome you, as Tenebrae also did, and encourage you to stay and be part of the community. You seem to be a very good writer, and so I'm sure you will find some very interesting and very satisfying projects to work on. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Happy editing ! [[User:Adambiswanger1|AdamBiswanger1]] 14:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


There is little data on the incidence of bulimia nervosa in-the-large, on general populations. Most studies conducted thus far have been on convenience samples from hospital patients, high school or university students. These have yielded a wide range of results: between 0% and 2.1% of males, and between 0.3% and 7.3% of females.<ref name="makino">{{cite journal|title = Prevalence of eating disorders: a comparison of Western and non-Western countries|last1 = Makino|first1 = M|last2 = Tsuboi|first2 = K|last3 = Dennerstein|first3 = L|journal = Medscape General Medicine|volume = 6|number = 3|year = 2004|url = http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1435625|pages = 49|pmid = 15520673}}</ref> A more recent study indicates that 10% of adolescent girls and 3% of adolescent boys binge eat and purge at least once weekly. <ref> AE Fields. Archives of Adolescent and Pediatric Medicine. 162:574-579,2008. </ref>
:Indeed you are, however [[user:Ghirlandajo]], who is very protective of his edits, reverted your obviously better choice of words. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrea_del_Sarto&diff=67594754&oldid=67593053 Please watch the aricle.] Cheers!


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No problem - sometimes you catch them - sometimes you don't - enjoy life -- [[User:NigelR|Nigel]] <b><sup><small>([[User talk:NigelR|Talk]])</small></sup></b> 07:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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== Please be careful with your edit ==

In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metapsychiatry&curid=1780638&diff=71085491&oldid=49703928] this edit you removed an important source, as well as inserted [[WP:NPOV|POV]] and [[WP:OR|original research]], both of which are prohibited under Wikipedia policy. Please note that the metapsychiatry.org website does not currently have any content. [[User:Captainktainer|Captainktainer]] * [[User talk:Captainktainer|Talk]] 02:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Ingres ==

Me again - funny how most analysis of ingres are fairly dry, espc. considering how rich and suggestive a painter he was. I'd like to do some work on this article fairly soon, but anyway, keep up the good work you're doing [[User:Coil00|Coil00]] 02:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably most viewers don't get past the polish and control of his surfaces, which don't exactly inspire florid prose. Yet he was a tremendous draftsman and portraitist--the painting of Bertin, a grumpy toad, is one of my favorite portraits of the 19th century.

You keep up the good work, too. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 03:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

== Whistler's Mother ==

Wow, that edit feels like it was a long time ago... Basically, disambiguation notices are helpful when two topics have the same or a similar name, so they should always be used whenever remotely appropriate. As for the mention in popular culture, in general pop culture sections should have more that one entry, so it's okay to have the Arrested Development show listed twice on that article for style reasons. Also, a lot of people never actually see the disambiguation notice, especially when they immediately find what they're looking for, so a second writeup could be helpful. If more pop culture references turn up, though, if it ever comes time to trim the pop culture section, go ahead and strip it out. [[User:Captainktainer|Captainktainer]] * [[User talk:Captainktainer|Talk]] 13:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
:The disambiguations are actually necessary, because of the way Wikipedia search works. For instance, let's say that I'm an editor who doesn't know how Wikipedia works. I type in "Mona Lisa" into the search box, looking for the song by Nat King Cole. The search box immediately brings me to the painting, and I go "Why didn't I think of that?" Then I try searching again, but because "Mona Lisa" is the exact match for the name, I only get the painting again. Without the disambiguation notice, it can take up to seven pages (depending on how you're doing the search) before you finally get to where you want to go. With disambiguation, it takes one or two (if the disambiguation notice links to a disambiguation page). [[User:Captainktainer|Captainktainer]] * [[User talk:Captainktainer|Talk]] 13:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

==Portrait de M. Bertin ==

Just came across [http://www.worth1000.com/entries/96000/96040HMol_w.jpg this]: Bertin, the grumpy gorilla! - [[User:Coil00|Coil00]] 21:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:Those fingers! And the ruffel of his coat. I tought it quite a witty parody, just wanted to share with another Ingres admirer - [[User:Coil00|Coil00]] 00:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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| [[USA]] || [[1996]] || 1152 college students || 0.2% male || 1.3% female<ref>{{citation|title = Prevalence and Correlates of Bulimia Nervosa and Bulimic Behaviors in a Racially Diverse Sample of Undergraduate Students in Two Universities in Southeast Texas|last1 = Pemberton|first1 = A R|last2 = Vernon|first2 = S W|last3 = Lee|first3 = E S|journal = American Journal of Epidemiology|volume = 144|number = 5|pages = 450–455|year = 2005|publisher = Oxford University Press|url = http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/144/5/450|pmid = 8781459}}</ref>
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==Augustus John==
I would prefer to email you about this if you don't mind. Thanks for having the good grace of openly admitting I might have had a point; I admire that and you have been extremely civil about my comments, which again is most creditable; I'm sorry if I seemed rude it was not my intention. However, the 2 users who have 'weighed in' in your favour, well one has a history of only doing deletions of bad wiki articles, as far as I can tell, and fair enough, and the other has spent the last 2 motnhs editing an article about Cannabis. Neither know a great deal about art! Frankly that impresses me very little. In other words, reagrdless of what they say, I am not impressed by their wiki track record of '''adding good stuff''' and by comparison I can see that you and me have certainly been very active in '''adding good stuff''' to this site. Therefore, I would suggest it's down to you and me to sort this matter out. Maybe you will be happy to remove the worst links and leave at that? I would accept that proposal. It is a pity links cannot be amalgamated into a sub-page...But just let me know when you have made your mind up...I hope this is an acceptable solution. best regards [[User talk:Peter morrell|Peter morrell]] 18:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

:It would be most helpful to have some feedback from you soon about the changes I made and the proposed pics being added to the article. I hope that things are now amicably resolved between us and that no hard feelings are left. I am now quite happy with the outcome. I sincerely hope you are too. best regards [[User talk:Peter morrell|Peter morrell]] 19:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Many thanks for your short note and good wishes; I reckon I learned a lot from that episode and will be more cautious from now on about just adding links to articles willynilly, so your comments struck a chord and have been most helpful. I hope my comments were useful to you too. best regards. [[User talk:Peter morrell|Peter morrell]] 17:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your excellent recent flexibility, civility, editing work and humble team-manship which is much appreciated [[User talk:Peter morrell|Peter morrell]] 21:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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== Ribera ==

Many thanks for your comment!
[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

== Haystacks (Monet) ==

I am just starting a new page. You seem to be knowledgeable on art of the late 19th century. You are welcome to make any revisions on my [[Haystacks (Monet)]] page. I have a long way to go. I was wondering if there is a category for Series Paintings. This is my second Series ([[Campbell's Soup Cans]]). I am also wondering if the term series is a serious enough art term to deserve mention on the [[Series]] dab page. I am an art hack who has never studied formally. I have never painted. I attend about 3-5 exhibits a year though. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 18:46, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You are certainly welcome to make any collaborative changes you feel are proper and necessary. In addition to being untrained, I am now distracted by my newfound wikitemplate making skill. I will probably spend a little time each day with Haystacks, but it will be a slow work in progress. When you look at the code on the edit page you will find each title contains all the info the source webpage attached to the photo. I have found some titles with distinct photos and am becoming confused on whether I am confused or some other webmasters are confusing photos. I have to get some authoritive books. My Library has several Tucker books. If you go to www.chipublib.org. >> search our catalogue >> advance search option >> put "Paul Hayes Tucker" in the Author keyword and type search you will see my choices. Do you know which of these I should be asking for. I will place a hold if you can give me further direction and have it forwarded to my local branch, The ([[Blackstone Library]]).[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 16:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

So far I have only found Monet texts that were at my local Borders. I sat down for an hour or 2 with them and gleaned some knowledge that is on my current article. P.S. If you know where I can find a complete set of the 25 1890 Harvest Haystack images that are properly labelled that would be of great assistance. Also, I probably want to add the 5 1888 Harvest Haystacks and their images. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 01:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

== re: Degas ==

Thanks for the nice compliment on the Degas article. And it's only right to commend you right back--I've noticed your edits over the last few months and you've raised the quality of everything you've worked on. WP art-related articles in general have come a long way in the last year (with some conspicuous laggards--the Picasso article barely mentions his work!) [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] 04:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thank you! That brightened my day :) <font face="Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet"><i><b>[[User:Celithemis|<font color="red">&mdash;Cel</font>]][[User talk:Celithemis|<font color="black">ithemis</font>]]</b></i></font> 07:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

== Giorgione ==

Many museums attribute all sorts of trash to Giorgione. Usually it is their wishful thinking which is not generally shared by the scholarly community. You may search for Giorgione on the website of the Hermitage Museum if you want examples. With portraits, the problem is even more more complicated. Nobody can be sure whether a high-quality Venetian portrait from the 1510s was painted by Titian, Giorgione, Lotto, or perhaps Sebastiano del Piombo. Furthermore, I'm not aware of Venetian self-portraits before Titian. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 17:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Come back soon! ==

[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 04:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== Rodin ==

Thanks for adding the reference to Rodin and working on the article. I'm being fussy (and you're welcome to be also) because I'm ''maybe'' building toward a featured article attempt. Any help you can provide, especially on the "big-picture" aspects of Rodin (influences, influence, style) would be great. But I see you're on a break. Hope it's not related to this article... –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 05:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== Camille vs. Camille ==

Try a force-reload of the page -- shift-F5 or ctrl-F5, depending on your browser. I restored the correct image, but the Monet portrait may still be stuck in your browser's cache. <font face="Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet"><i><b>[[User:Celithemis|<font color="red">&mdash;Cel</font>]][[User talk:Celithemis|<font color="black">ithemis</font>]]</b></i></font> 05:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

== Haystacks ==

Thanks for helping cleanup [[Haystacks (Monet)]]. I have just begun learning about [[WP:PR|peer review]], [[WP:GA|good articles]], and [[WP:FA|featured articles]]. My first feedback has taught me that I am eventually going to have to reaquire all my sources and properly cite them inline in many of my articles. I have begun overhauling my other series article ([[Campbell's Soup Cans]]). If you get a chance, you may want to use inline citations like I have begun to do there. I am not sure if things are in the proper format there, but most FAs seem to use a method similar to this. If you still have the source you added it would be great if you could cite the information from it properly. In the future I plan to add the following to the code for the article: <!--This article uses the Cite.php citation mechanism. If you would like more information on how to add references to this article, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php (Please format according to [[:Template:Cite web]], and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]])--> [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 16:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

:You seem to have a good eye for these images. You may be aware I have been having difficulty identifying and selecting between duplicate images. If you get a chance you should look at my [[User:TonyTheTiger/altimages|alternate images page]]. Be careful on what you delete and what you move, but I trust your judgement. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] 21:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

==Michelangelo spam==
03:18, 3 January 2007 JNW (Talk | contribs) (rv spam links out the waz (sp?); many replete with advertsing, some selling products, some inexpert blogs, and some theorists--and more should probably go, too.)

Please advise why? This website is a collection of articles about 'Great Italians' and does not offer any advertising or selling of products.
Wikipedia currently links to several other pages within this website.

*I deleted the link to the website 'Great Italians' because, contrary to your claim, its pages are filled with paid advertisements--I counted ten running down the left- hand side of the page on Michelangelo--and are as strongly devoted to commerce as scholarship. Before creating a link, please check with Wikipedia guidelines regarding external links, [[WP:EL]]. Also, please sign your messages. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 04:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


== Saskia van Uylenburgh ==
Thank you for improving the article, c.q my English. A dutchman [[User:Taksen|Taksen]] 10:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I added a some at [[Saskia van Uylenburg]], may be you can check my dutch, and perhaps we can cooperate in the future.[[User:Taksen|Taksen]] 22:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I am asthonished you did not move the information to Rembrandt. Besides, I think, the article on Rembrandt is way too long, and my information was quite informative. I did not want to start new articles on Titus or Hendrickje, but now i have. I am sad you did not appriciate my extensions [[User:Taksen|Taksen]] 18:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree not all the information was not Saskia, but as i said before, the article on Rembrandt is very long. I got almost a headache, when reading it, too much information, not easy to digest. So I tried to tell something about Rembrandt through Saskia. It is a lot of work to start new lemma's on Hendrickje, Geertje and Titus. I was trying to be efficient. Besides, tell me who your friends are, I will tell you who you are, dont you agree? [[User:Taksen|Taksen]] 18:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

*No. What you describe does not sound very efficient, and has less to do with improving the encyclopedia than with adding information, wherever there might be space. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 18:51, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

== Britannica ==

Citing Britannica should be fine. In an ideal world, everything would be cited directly to scholarly sources rather than to an encyclopedia, but short of the [[Wikipedia:Featured Article Candidates|Featured Article Candidates]] process, I doubt anyone's going to complain about it unless it conflicts with other sources. It's a good place to start. <font face="Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet"><i><b>[[User:Celithemis|<font color="red">&mdash;Cel</font>]][[User talk:Celithemis|<font color="black">ithemis</font>]]</b></i></font> 04:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Michelangelo ==

Molto piacere! [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 23:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#Printmaking_Categorization prints cats] ==

Hi, since you're about, any thoughts on this? No one ever seems to visit the page, but things are beginning to stir there. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 02:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks; maybe put something on the page at some point, if only to get it on your watchlist (if its not) - there finally seem to be signs of activity there, which is good, but few of the editors one sees round the pages are to be seen there. Few of us are natural team-players perhaps, compared to some areas, but I think if we aren't involved others will just run "the project". There is stuff higher up about info-boxes; I think I may want to do a "Grand Declaration of local editor's freedom to choose to have them or not" soon! All the best [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Print list ==

are you doing any more? We have an edit conflict. I can finish after i've got my guys back on. cheers [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 01:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem - my fault for leaving an edit open for a hour or so when I knew you were around! All ok now. I find I'm adding a lot of minor names, when I know lots of major ones aren't in the printmaking categories - so your contributions are very helpful. I'm done now, so if you were going to, please carry on [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 01:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

== Veronese ==

Nice job on Veronese, and much-needed. Last time I checked (January) there was almost nothing there. Today I was flipping through ''Paintings in the Louvre'' & thought of adding L. Gowing's remarks about the artist to the article--you got there ahead of me! [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] 09:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Belle Époque ==

Thanks for the revert on [[Belle Époque]]. To give some heft to the article, I have substanially re-written it. The subject matter is very much the same. (The revert wasn't in vain!) But I think that the organization and flow of the article is now better. I think the article conveys the sense that this was Europe-wide phenomenon with clearly definable characteristics (general political stability, increasing class-based identities, tremendous technological/scientific advances leading to modern life as we know it, creation of what we recognize as modern artistic forms). Also, the body of the article now reflects the three main topics that were presented in the introductory paragraph(s), namely politics, science, and art. I hope that it won't be continually vandalized. [[User:Poldy Bloom|Poldy Bloom]] 05:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


== Sistine Chapel ceiling ==
Thanks for your edits. I'm afraid I was much more ruthless than you. But I have left a mention and an expanded footnote.

--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 14:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bakatcha ==

Hi! I just noticed my name in your kudos section. :) Thanks! You obviously care for the work you do on wikipedia, too. [[User:Sparkit|--sparkit]][[User_talk:sparkit|<small><sup>TALK</sup></small>]] 16:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sargent ==

Thank you for the thank you, and good work on John Singer. He would profit from further expansion of content (I'd like to flesh it out more one day), yet given the outline, headings, image links, and cites, he might merit a 'B' rating now. What do you think? [[User:JNW|JNW]] 21:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

PS--I always enjoy the rotating images on your user page. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 21:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! I don't know if that Sargent works list is representative of his work, but it's a start. I'd like to include an image of one his landscapes, but I'm not sure which. Any suggestions? The article could use expansion for sure. Whether it is a "Class B", I don't know, as I've not studied the criteria and am not likely to. I'm more inclined to add to or copyedit articles than rate them. :)

:I lifted that rotating image code from one of the project templates... just for fun. [[User:Sparkit|--sparkit]][[User_talk:sparkit|<small><sup>TALK</sup></small>]] 03:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

*I think that most of the paintings on the list are prominent works, and include a good sampling of noteworthy portraits. ''Carnation, Lily, etc'', ''On His Holidays'' and ''The Chess Game'' offer a limited window into his subject pictures (I became familiar with ''The Chess Game'', one of his prime Orientalist subjects, a few years ago, when it was still owned by the Harvard Club of NYC, and I was visiting while painting a portrait commission for the club). That said, I am not sure that the list should attempt to represent him fully, out of concern that the lists tend to take on lives of their own. But yes, it does make sense to include a pure landscape or two: You can't go wrong with most any of the late Venetian watercolors, nor the Venetian interiors of the 1880s, like ''The Sulphur Match'' and ''Venetian Interior'' (Carnegie Museum of Art); ''Home Fields'' (Detroit Institute of Arts) is a fine and well-known oil; ''Oyster Gatherers at Cancale'' (Corcoran Gallery of Art) is not my favorite, but a famous early landscape; also, there are some really fine paintings done at the Simplon Pass in the Italian Alps, the most popular of which feature women and men lounging and painting at leisure, but my favorites done there are oils of water spilling through the rocky landscape, wonderful planes seen in blinding sunlight. But these are just suggestions which should in no way limit your search. Have fun and good luck, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 04:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! I thought about how lists tend to grow before I made the works into a list. Hopefully this one will remain a representative sampling. Who owns ''The Chess Game'' now? [[User:Sparkit|--sparkit]][[User_talk:sparkit|<small><sup>TALK</sup></small>]] 13:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You can see from my last note how a list can grow: you asked about landscapes, and I went off about other subjects as well...the result of enthusiasm. And yes, I think you have made it a most representative sample. Good work.

I believe ''The Chess Game'' was sold to a private party, for an undisclosed but vigorous price. The HCNY still owns a batch of Sargent portraits. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 15:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sistine Chapel ceiling ==

Thanks for your comments! Yes, I'm very interested in the way that Michelangelo depicted God. "Awesome!", as my evangelical nephew would say.

The only things that I know of that come anywhere near the power of the "image" that Michelangelo gave God are the Christ Pantocrator at Daphni, the hypnotic God in the Baptistry at Padua by Giusto da Menabuoi and that huge figure which might be by Cimabue in the Baptistry at Florence. There's not a lot of space there, so it looms over you in a terrifying manner with no room for escape. There's a good one at Monreale as well but more gentle. Does one draw a distinction between the persons of the Trinity? I'd like to read your paper. Was it published?

Also, what a great portrait that is on your User Page! Well done. How about a self portrait as well?

--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 10:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==="In his own image"===
The final (First day of Creation) image is surely Michelangelo himself, working on the ceiling in the supreme act of creation. I found a website the other day that supported this vview, but I've lost it. The beard is shorter, the face is almost hidden, the figure is workingg aboovve his head.

As for God creating the Earth, Sun and Moon, the wrathful God has mmuch in common with the Moses for Pope Julius' tomb. It has been said before that Michelangelo represented the Pope as God. Well, iif so, it's an image more in keeping with thhe man who said "Show me with a sword; I know nothing of books!"

As for the creationn of Adam, there's much more of a benvolence in that picture. I've always loved the hand of God which is so square and capabable but hhas delicate fingertips. Its the hand of a man who not only pounded the clay and modelled it to make the man but who also wired the circuits of his brain.

There's been a study done on Michelangelo's David which indicates that he was almost certainly a stone mason. Several of the models on the ceiling have similar characteristics. What we see in the forearm of Michelangelo's God is the massive development consistent with using a hammer and chisel, in particular the bulge just near the wrist which is the abductor pollicus longus which brings the hand forward in relation to the forearm and is used when hammering in a controlled way (cobbler's tacks as against six inch nails). I'm sure we are looking at Michelangelo's own arm here. But I can't really say this, can I? I'm sure it falls under the category of original research!

Well perhaps I'll give this an airing on the comments page and see what comments it brings. I'll also track down some of the other images of God for you.
In quite a lot of late Medieval/Early Renaissance images there is no distinction between God the Creator and God Incarnate so that when God is shown in the Creation stories, he looks just like Jesus in the Redemption episodes, the only difference being that he is often given a triangular halo as against Jesus' triple-rayed halo which symbolises the cross as well as the Trinity. God appears like this in the frescoes at San Gimigniano. There is another picture of the Trinity somewhere... I think a Jesuit statement...which shows the triune God as three identical Jesus-persons all enthroned side-by-side. Rather intimidating...I'd hate to get up there and have the three of them arguing over where to send me. I wonder if there's a wikipage devoted to depictions of God.

--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 02:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting! I just took a look at the Doni Tondo. There IS a link with the Lybian Sibyl. They are both quite extraordinarily dynamic and daring images. The Blessed Virgin even shows her armpit.
I also checked out God dividing the waters from the heavens. You're right.

My observation of the frescoes (from books) indicates that some of the prophetic fgures were squared up, indicating that he enlarged from drawings. In other figures there are very clear stiletto marks indicating that he used full-sized cartoons. In other figures there are neither, and the outlines have either been scraped into the surface or just painted on in colour.

Why have you never been to see the originals? You really ought, if it is possible for you. It's quite mind-blowing, even if, like me, you think that the "restoration" went too far altogether. What country do you live in?
--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 16:06, 10 April 2007 (UTC)




== Classy handling of vanity edits ==

Nice job removing Koppelaar's and others' self-promotional images on the various pages they appeared. Very professional, replacing and not just deleting them. I had also come across some in the articles for Cat and Lion, but they seem to have been cleaned up since I noticed them.
[[User:Adamflorin|Adamflorin]] 22:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. In some cases, as in the one you mentioned, the artwork is quite good, but it is really embarrassing to load, or have someone else insert, one's images throughout the articles on painting (ditto the formulation of vanity articles, which just look cheesy), especially when wikimedia offers a plentiful stock of masters' works. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 02:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

== thank you for keeping watch ==

[[User talk:The Anonymous One#final warning on disruptive editing]]. Let me know if there are any further problems. If I'm not around to answer, make a report at [[WP:AIV]] and link to that final warning. Thank you, <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan |coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>]][[ User talk:Coelacan |acan]]</span> — 06:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, probably not so much a sockpuppet as "forgot to sign in". That IP hasn't done anything disruptive since my warning, but we should keep an eye on it too. Thanks for the tip. <span style="white-space: nowrap">— [[User:Coelacan |coe<span style="font-variant: small-caps" >l</span>]][[ User talk:Coelacan |acan]]</span> — 16:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


== [[Giotto]] ==

Well done! I'm not finished there yet. Maybbe you could drop back there in a few days and refine my language again. I think the problem is, I've been writing for Simple English Wikipedia which employs mainly words of one syllable! My vocabulary has desserted me.
--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 10:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== [[History of Painting]] ==

This was a list but has now been hugely expanded by a few editors; some of it may be cut & pasted from other articles, I'm not sure. Much of it is repeated at a new [[Western painting]]. The coverage & quality seem pretty variable to me. As these are I suppose flagship articles, people may like to help out. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 02:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I've copied you this as i don't know if you see the VA project discussion page - maybe time to sign up btw, duties are light! cheers [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 02:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
==Edit conflict==
Please weigh in on a building edit conflict at [[Western painting]], thanks [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

== AIV report of 66.158.93.101 ==

Thank you for reporting {{ul|66.158.93.101}} to [[WP:AIV]], however I see that they have not received any recent warnings. IP users generally must have received a recent warning because IPs can be reassigned and the current user may not be the same as the one who vandalized in the past. <font face="monospace">[[User:Dgies|<font color="#00F">'''&mdash;dgies'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Dgies|t]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Dgies|c]]</sub></font> 21:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
==Western painting==
Once again they are trying to delete images on Western painting. They've asked for opinions on [[Wikipedia talk:Non-free content]]. I hope you can weigh in. Thanks. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 21:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I have been up to my ears busy at work, and have not had the proper time to read the guidelines on the use of images, but they seem to be open to various interpretations. My general take is that in the past I have eschewed the use of too many images in biographies, but I can see their value in the context of an overview like this one, especially in trying to illustrate the dizzying array of 20th century art movements. Until I can offer a more informed comment, my input is of little help, other than to say that you have done a terrific job with this article. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 03:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for weighing in and your input. I'd forgotten about the 19th century Americans, especially Homer, Ryder and Blakelock. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 11:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== I did wonder ==

if you could kick the hard stuff just like that! Cheers, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 13:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


== [[Mr Potato Head]] ==
You really do a valiant job!

--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 11:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==[[Oil sketch]]==
Perhaps you could take a quick look at this quick effort. As usual I have rather run out of puff after Tiepolo, & have no practical knowledge! Cheers, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for that - Very bad of me to forget Constable, especially as I saw the Tate exhibition last year with 6 x 6 footers & their sketches alongside! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

==User:216.54.173.2==
Hi. It seems that you have had some trouble with 216.54.173.2 on articles too. Are you an admin? If so, he's also vandalized the [[Sandman (Marvel Comics)]] article recently. [[User:Nightscream|Nightscream]] 22:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. :-) [[User:Nightscream|Nightscream]] 01:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Haystacks (Monet) ==

You may see that I have renominated [[Haystacks (Monet)]] for [[WP:GAC]] unsuccessfully. Although the [http://vs.aka-online.de/wppagehiststat/ statistics] might say otherwise, I almost consider you the main editor of the article at this point. You have masterfully cleaned it up. Can you help me find the missing quotes so we can get this a good article rating? You seem like the kind of guy who might have the necessary books in his possession. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM|tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]])</small> 00:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:You may want to watch [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Haystacks (Monet)/archive1]]. The first query suggests we need to work on our gallery with some added detail. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM|tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]])</small> 19:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up. I will see if I can be of any help. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 12:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:WOOOWWW!!! Great work with the cleanup. Do you think we should put our main picture inside a {{tl|Painting}} temmplate or is that inappropriate since it is only one from the series. Also, do you know where the ones we are missing are housed? [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM|tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]])</small> 01:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the crazy long image names are my doing. I was not sure what the best format to use in the gallery and you have cleaned it up nicely. I am leaning toward using the template I asked you about. I will look at some other artiles in [[:Category:Painting series]]. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|cont]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM|tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]])</small> 15:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== [[Vädersolstavlan]] ==

One to match your Vermeer/Van Meergheran (or whatever) article comparison - have you ever seen a fuller article on a single painting than this? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 01:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== Please don't rollback legitimate edits ==

As you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gustav_Klimt&diff=135166207&oldid=135164517 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edgar_Degas&diff=135166113&oldid=135165733 here]. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 20:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not consider your edits to Klimt and Degas legitimate; you are linking to an article you just created, of an artist who is not a recognized master; I could just as easliy link my own work there, and there will be no end to contemporary self-promotion. In the case of Klimt, a legitmate 'influence' would be Schiele, in the case of Degas, Sickert. If you think otherwise, please seek another opinion from an administrtaor or arts editor. Thanks, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 20:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

::The field in the infobox is for listing artists who were influenced by that artist. The article on [[Kevin Wasden]] lists sourced information that Klimt and Degas influenced him. How is that not legitimate? And it doesn't matter if the article was just created by me or by someone else. The whole point of the Wiki is to have links going between articles so people can find them more easily. And I don't need to contact an admin because I ''am'' one. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 21:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Must go now, but as an administrator I am certain you can understand the concern I am raising. Thank you, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 21:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Um, no. This isn't just going to go away. You can not force your opinion on everyone else simply because you disagree with others. You are abusing the rollback feature, and edit warring. You refusal to even discuss this is very telling. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="green">日本穣</font>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">Talk</font>]] <font color="darkblue">to</font> [[WP:JA|Nihon]][[WP:MOS-JA|<font color="darkgreen">joe</font>]]</small></sup> 21:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

*Actually, I am going to dinner, and look forward to resuming this discussion. No warring intended--that is why I am happy to seek another opinion. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 21:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your point of view, as well as the unsolicited opinions of several contributors here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gustav_Klimt]. Even (or especially) when I'm sure I'm right, overzealousness must be my least attractive feature. My best judgment, post dinner, is to gently wish all a good evening, and many happy reverts. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 03:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== Wynford Dewhurst ==

Dear user JNW,

I noticed that you deleted my contribution to the [[Impressionism]] page, removing the information I posted about [[Wynford Dewhurst]]. You say Dewhurst was a painter/writer of no influence, but as an art historian at the University of Bristol, UK, I can assure you that the publication of Dewhurst's most important work as an author ''Impressionist Painting: its genesis and development'' in 1904 was extremely "seminal" and very influencial to British artists as it was the first book on French Impressionist to be published in English and helped to introduce many important British artists (e.g. [[Sickert]], [[Philip Wilson Steer]], [[James Whistler]]) to this style of painting, long before [[Roger Fry]]'s 1910 exhibition. Moreover, Dewhurst was a follower of [[Monet]] and spent considerable periods of time working in France with Impressionist painters. He corresponded with [[Pissarro]] and [[Monet]].

I believe the nature of Wikipedia is to share knowledge and to expand on existing articles to add interesting information all the time, please do not remove my post about Dewhurst again. I understand that you have removed useless and unhelpful references to other entries in other cases, like the editor who rather ridiculously added [[Kevin Wasden]] to [[Klimt]] and [[Degas]], but as an academic who has researched Wynford Dewhurst and Impressionism (with particular attention to the emergence of Impressionism in ''British'' painting) extensively, I can tell you that Dewhurst was, in fact, an important and influencial figure in bringing Impressionism to Britain; I can assure you that my contribution was valid.

Finally, when you have listed artists representing Impressionist painting in Turkey and Egypt (!) why on earth would you deny a painter like Dewhurst to represent the movement in Britain? Outside of France, Impressionism was present more profoundly in Britain than any other nation, including America. Certainly Impressionism was more present in Britain than in Turkey or Egypt. In the matter of Impressionism in Britain Dewhurst was one of the foremost figures; although not as successful a painter as Whistler or Sickert with the Camden Town Group, as a writer he was of the utmost importance, his 1904 book was at the time the ONLY book in English about Impressionism and was therefore very influencial to British painters. I appreciate your effort if you thought that I didn't know what I was talking about, but this time please do not whimsically remove valid contributions merely because you haven't yourself heard of the subject in question (in this case Wynford Dewhurst). Please do not remove a valid contribution just because the information is beyond your understanding of the movement. Accept my apologies if I am wrong but perhaps your knowledge of Impressionism is limited to the most "famous" painters (e.g. [[Monet]] - and others who sell for millions of pounds in Christie's and Sotheby's) but you should trust art historians with university educations on Impressionism to decide who was important in spreading the movement outside France, before you dismiss important figures like Dewhurst as "minor". In bringing Impressionism to Britian, it was Dewhurst.

For your information, and just as an example of [[Dewhurst]]'s importance as a writer (you say he was not seminal), consider the fact that his book ''Impressionist Painting'' presented the thesis that the French Impressionists relied on British painters [[John Constable]] and [[J. M. W. Turner]] in technique. This theory was responded to personally by the great giant of Impressionism, [[Pissarro]]. With masters like Pissarro reading and responding to Dewhurst's book, how can you dismiss his work as a writer? Considering that his book was the FIRST study of French Impressionism in the English language, how can you say he was not seminal?

If you are still hesitating, research British Impressionism first and then get back to me. Kenneth McConkey has written a couple of very good books on the subject (''British Impressionism'' published by Phaidon (1989) and ''Impressionism in Britain'', exhibition cat., published by Yale University Press (1995), both of which feature Dewhurst prominantly.)

Thank you --[[User:Mahboubian|Mahboubian]] 01:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


Dear Mahboubian,

Thank you. Your note to me was impressive for your knowledge on the subject. Initially I was dubious; I found little about Dewhurst via a google search (no other bios of much substance), believed your additions were a bit too prominent for the articles on Impressionism and Monet, and I was not taken by the quality of his work. However, and not for the first time, I have encountered a subject about which I have much to learn, and you are obviously a good and patient teacher.

I appreciate the time and effort you took to write me, and the depth of your scholarship here. I do want to read more about Dewhurst and his writing, and will look up McConkey. In the meantime, I stand corrected. Respectfully yours, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 03:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

::Dear JNW,

::Thank you for your kind and humble response to my post. You are right, there isn't very much information on Dewhurst online, he is not especially "famous" and was somewhat more influencial as a writer than a painter (he is celebrated for his book on Impressionism more than his work as a painter, though his work is respected by those who know about him), so I do not blame you for thinking as you did. Nevertheless even though he is not famous to the general public or documented extensively online (which is one of the reasons I wrote about him on Wikipedia), he is mentioned in almost every book on Impressionism that I have come across and was certainly important in bringing Impressionism to Britain. For your interest, please read the biography I posted ([[Wynford Dewhurst]]) - I can assure you that it is faithful to all the scholarly articles I have read about him in books, and it makes use of both of those very good books by McConkey that I mentioned.
::Respectfully, and with best wishes, --[[User:Mahboubian|Mahboubian]] 15:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::P.S. If you're interested, you can read Dewhurst's book '''''Impressionist Painting: its genesis and development''''' online thanks to a Canadian library: http://www.openlibrary.org/details/impressionistpai00dewhuoft (use the arrows bottom right to turn the pages).

*I have read your thoughts more carefully, and have had the opportunity to do a spot of research, and found the following:

According to McConkey, Dewhurst's book was indeed ''"the first important study of the French impressionists to be published in English"''. However, McConkey also notes that Dewhurst was anxious to maintain that French impressionism was British in conception, and that ''"Pissarro objected to this preposterous claim"''; the phrasing here, and the citing of George Moore's opinion in the next paragraph, is such as to indicate that McConkey agrees with Pissarro.

In the case of Dewhurst's influence on the British artists you mentioned, there is reason to be skeptical, after all. The French and British were familiar with each others' works dating from the early 1800s. We know of Constable's influence on Delacroix, and of the latter's friendship with Bonington. So it is odd to suppose that English artists were unfamiliar with impressionism until 1904. In fact, the work of French impressionist painters was being written about, exhibited, and purchased by collectors in London in the 1870s (''Degas, Sickert, and Toulouse-Lautrec: London and Paris 1870-1910'', Tate Publishing; catalogue of a wonderful show, which I saw in London).

As for Sickert, Steer, and Whistler: by 1889 Sickert and Steer were exhibiting, along with a number of other 'London Impressionists' who were at odds with the more traditional members of New English Art Club, at the Goupil Gallery in London. By this time Sickert had long since been a protégé of both Degas and Whistler; the latter was, of course, familiar with impressionism and its practitioners decades before Dewhurst published his study (in fact, Whistler was dead before 1904). Sickert and Steer were the primary British painters in the impressionist vernacular before the turn of the century. Steer's best-known impressionist venture was ''Knucklebones'', which was painted by 1889.

Maybe Dewhurst's role was to further popularize Monet's brand of impressionism. Certainly he merits mention for being the first to write a book on the impressionists in English (although many articles had preceded him, like an essay by the American [[Theodore Robinson]], a first-rate painter who wrote an enthusiastic article about his mentor Monet and the other impressionists in the early 1890s). Indeed, by 1885 American painters were visiting and working alongside Monet in Giverny--how could the British have not known about all this until the 20th century? They did. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 18:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


::Dear JNW,

::Thank you for your latest thoughts on this. I'm sorry for not responding sooner, I have been away and hadn't a chance to respond to your message in detail.

::While you are certainly correct in saying that Sickert and Steer were exhibiting impressionistic paintings (with other members of the Camden Town Group) by 1889, I would have to disagree with some of the things you wrote in your last message to me. First, you seem to have misunderstood my mention of Sickert, Steer and Whistler (who, as you say, was indeed dead in 1903, before Dewhurst's book '''''Impressionist Painting: its genesis and development''''' was published in 1904). I mentioned those painters as examples of "important British artists" (those are the words I used before mentioning their names). In retrospect I suppose my mention of Whistler in particular was irrelevant and somewhat unhelpful as he does not represent British Impressionism at all (he is of course significant as the leading figure of the Aesthetic - or 'Art for Art's sake' - movement). You are quite right, Impressionism was present in British art before Dewhurst's account of Impressionism. I should not have implied that Impressionism occurred in British painting because of Dewhurst's book because loose, impressionistic brushstrokes were used by Whistler, Sickert and Steer, Newlyn School and other Camden Town painters long before. However, the precisely French technique of Monet - using dabs of colour that result in an optical blend of hues when viewed from a distance - was first written about, and indeed taken up in painting, by Dewhurst. He was not responsible for Sickert and Steer's impressionism - paintings of working-class, London interiors, which is precisely British. Dewhurst was influencial in Britain for his promotion of Monet's French technique; he introduced the ''French'' version of Impressionism to Britain. You are right in saying that he wasn't responsible for the Impressionism that existed before his book was published (e.g. that of Sickert and Steer) but his book and his own paintings are notable for their promotion of the specifically French style. Apart from his promotion of Monet's technique, he was also influencial on British artists for his thesis that Impressionism was British in origin, something I will come back to.

::I feel you focus too strongly on the publication date of 1904 of the book ''Impressionist Painting: its genesis and development'' for Dewhurst had already published most of the information in the book as early as 1900. Dewhurst's book was merely an expanded version of four articles that he wrote between 1900-3. These articles were:
::*'Claude Monet, Impressionist' (June 1900, ''Pall Mall Magazine'').
::*'A Great French Landscapist' (October 1900, ''The Artist'').
::*and 'Impressionist Painting: its genesis and development', parts 1 and 2, (April and July 1903, ''The Studio'', vol. XXXIX).

::While I am not putting Sickert and Steer's impressionistic style down to Dewhurst, he "deserves credit as the first Englishman to attempt a genuinely sympathetic full-length survery of the subject" (Dennis Farr, ''English Art: 1870-1940''. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1978.) You claim that because McConkey writes that Pissarro objected to Dewhurst's "preposterous claim" (the claim that French impressionism was British in conception), is because McConkey agrees with Pissarro's view. I have to object very strongly to this; McConkey uses the word "preposterous" to give a sense of ''Pissarro's'' opinion of that claim, and definitely not his own. The citing of George Moore's opinion in the next paragraph is merely to give some idea of the differing opinions of the writers of the time on that matter. McConkey also writes that Dewhurst's theme "was taken up by others as various as Clausen, John Rothenstein and Kenneth Clark" (McConkey, ''Impressionism in Britian'', p.82) would you accept therefore that by mentioning Dewhurst's supporters (Clausen, Rothenstein and Clark) we can deduce that McConkey agrees with Dewhurst? No, he mentions then not to support his own view but because he is writing a historical account and is providing a detailed overview of the topic, which was fiercely debated at the time. For your information here are references from the publications, by the writers that I mentioned above, that support Dewhurst:
::*Kenneth Clark, ''Landscape into Art'', 1949, p.86-107. (Pages refer to the Pelican edition of this book, 1956).
::*George Clausen, ''Royal Academy Lectures on Painting'', 1913, p.128.
::*John Rothenstein, ''Ninteenth-Century Painting'', 1932, p.178.

::You make it sound as though Dewhurst's theory was ridiculed and make him out to be some sort of laughing stock, and I would like to inform you that this is absolutely not the case. Dewhurst's theory was widely accepted by many people in Britain (including hugely influencial writers such as Kenneth Clark) and initially, to some extent, even by Pissarro himself. Dennis Farr also informs us that Dewhurst was not the only Englishman to publish on the "Impressionists overwhelming debt to Turner, Constable and Bonington" - MacColl published on the same subject in 1902 (his book was entitled '''''Nineteenth Century Art'''''). Therefore I have to object strongly to your claim that Dewhurst's thesis is "preposterous", and your claim that McConkey agrees with Pissarro's view (McConkey uses that word to give a sense of Pissarro's response to Dewhurst's theory). He does not agree with it: he even writes that "Pissaro wanted to play down" Dewhurst's theory, and McConkey recognizes Dewhurst's "valiant efforts" (quotes from McConkey, ''Impressionism in Britain'', p.82). How can Dewhurst's theory be so wrong when Pissarro himself wrote that "The watercolours and paintings of Turner and Constable, the canvases of Old Crome, have certainly had influence upon us". If you had read McConkey with more attention, you would have read that "Pissarro recoiled from the over-emphasis Dewhurst placed upon this innocently expressed opinion" (McConkey, ''Impressionism in Britain'', p.82). This hardly implies that McConkey rejects Dewhurst thesis. All best wishes, --[[User:Mahboubian|Mahboubian]] 14:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

*Thank you for your reply, and I, likewise, have taken a long time. My last entry on the subject: Several weeks ago I found and added a reference to the Dewhurst article which noted Pissarro's contradictory statements re: British predecessors--I have no agenda here, and am interested in different, and sometimes contradictory, information. As seen above, at no point did I make the subject out to be a 'laughing stock', nor did I refer to him as 'preposterous', but was citing McConkey, whose writings we interpret differently. My previous interpretation stands. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 17:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

== I salute you ==

You are a truthful and good editor and you have my respect. It's refreshing when people are realistic, impartial and open-minded. <br />On a different note, I very much like your painting 'Friends'. With best wishes, --[[User:Mahboubian|Mahboubian]] 19:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


== Noah ==
I sure that the unsigned edit was in good faith. One really wants to ecourage people to edit, even if their first edits are not always to the point. I like the "Friends" painting as well. I really enjoy your work.

On another tack... can you believe that there no article on [[Italian Renaissance painting]]? There are now two. Part B is called [[Italian Renaissance painting, development of themes]], but you might like to suggest a better name.
--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 00:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Bravo! I've made minor edits there. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 15:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::Thankyou! You might take a little look at [[Italian Renaissance painting]], if you've got the time. I just corrected quite a lot of typos' but there's undoubtedly more...and my spelling is rather lacking. Attilios comes along and adds the correct inflections and changes the odd word to a more Italian one, and the Italian ones that I leave in, back to English. He's fixed Assissi for me more than once, but I still can't remember how it goes! So whatever it says in that article, is correct.
--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 15:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Thankyou so much for your encouragement! It's about 2.00 am on this side of Planet Earth, so I think might turn in! --[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 16:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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==High Culture==

Many thanks! Hope the painting is going well, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 18:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


== Made my day ==
Thanks JNW! Coming from an editor and artist I so respect makes it all the more meaningful. [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] 03:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

==Judgment!==
JNW, you've done a great job with fixing things! As for the Last Judgment article...Yeah, I noticed. I don't know why it looks so bad to me. It just does! Given the number of words that I manage to spell wrongly, you'd think I'd hardly notice! I need a spell fixer permanently in tow. I didn't mean to be rude to you!

Thanks again! It's good to feel appreciated. I probably ought to be out there teaching but it's not the way things have worked out.
I was just cruising around.. noticed Monet's haystacks on your list. There seems to me to be an intrinsic problem with that page... a misunderstanding about the nature of a haystack. I suppoose i'd better leave a message on the page.. bye! --[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 14:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

== [[canvas]] ==

Hi - hope you're enjoying the break. I'm passing on a request to check out canvas - I've added a bit ,but you will know more. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 17:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

== Lead [[Rembrandt]] ==

I forgot one word in my edit summary, "previous text was in '''no''' way a summary of this article". I think the lead should speak about Rembrandt, not about the Dutch Golden Age. Do you agree the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rembrandt&diff=138357296&oldid=138357143 sentence] I just removed should indeed be omitted? – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 14:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Haystack's Peer Review ==

The peer review at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Haystacks (Monet)/archive1]] closed without much commentary. I posted the article for [[WP:GAC]]. However, the article then received an automated review after I nominated it at [[WP:GAC]]. We have some things to look at as far as improving the article based on the automated feedback. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 14:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I will mark up the peer review so you can see what I have addressed. [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 14:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Haystacks (Monet) GA2 ==

Any thoughts on the 2nd [[WP:GA]] failure. It seems readily fixable from the tone and tenor of the review. I will get to it soon. Help would be appreciated. --[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 18:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I have not responded to this, Tony, only because I kind of ran out of gas on this for now. If I can make a positive contribution to this in the future, I will. Many thanks, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 17:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

==G'Day!==
Just dropped by your page and looked at Adriane again, Geez I like that painting!
I've just done an overhaul of [[Romanesque architecture]]. --[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 17:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks JNW! I took a look at Deane G. Keller. Well done! What a lovely ppoortrait that is of a quite magnificent looking man. What did Keller look like? It would have been lovely to be able to put up your portrait of him in the article.
:I have written biographies of a teacher of mine, who also died a few years ago. [[Jean Isherwood]], and my good friend [[Wendy Richardson]], a playwright. Has anybody written your biography yet? It's not quite the done thing to write your own, however people do. Wendy was introduced to a gathering recently as the only Australian writer who hadn't written her own biography on wikipedia.
:--[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 09:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
==Chardin==
Your reworking of [[Chardin]] is terrific and long overdue. Although whats with this sentence? - Chardin entered into a marriage contract with Marguerite Saintard in 1723, whom he did not marry is son Jean-Pierre was baptized, and a daughter, Marguerite-Agnès, was baptized in 1733. Strange domestic life I guess. Anyway its looking good. Congrats [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 22:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

==Superlatives==
Hi

I'd avoid the use of superlatives unless they are factual, e.g. Mt. Everest is the tallest mountain in the world, Bill Gates is according to Fortune's 2006 survey the wealthiest individual in the wold, etc. When you say Chardin is the greatest master of the still life (a statement with which I ''personally'' agree, though I'm no expert) you're expressing, or relating, a subjective ''opinion''. What is factual is that he was a master of the still life and had influence on contemporary and later painters which is today appreciated. Who's to say what will happen to his work in 20 or 100 years?

In music Bach had to be rediscovered because he'd been more or less forgotten with 20 years of his passing. Mozart was one of his fans, but this was definitely an expert opinion on what was then an obscure dead composer. Opinions wax and wane... [[User:Vfp15|Vincent]] 07:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry if I sounded a little preachy. I should have toned down the rhetoric a bit, or at least dressed it up to make it more polite. And thanks for understanding my point! I noticed you contributed to the [[John Singer Sargent]] article. He's the greatest artist that ever lived (I can use the superlative, it's a talk page) and looking at his pictures made me understand that A) realism isn't and B) impressionism can be what realism isn't.

:I've always loved his picture of [[Isaac Newton Phelps-Stokes]]. The new strong 20th century woman (well fin-de-siècle anyway) with the doofus husband in the background. Wrong. I've no idea if Edith Minturn was or was not an idiot, but the genius in the painting is the husband who was a successful architect and New York historian. There's a beautiful story about his friendship with New York mayor [[Fiorello La Guardia]]. This realistic portrait does not accurately portray the relative importance of the two sitters. But that was my mistake.

:The other point was brought home to me on my last visit to the Met last April. There's a painting of a dear in the woods lit through autumn leaves. On first glance one cannot see the deer, only dabs of paint much like any impressionist might deliver. Then suddenly you see the deer and realize the whole scene is very realistic, it's just the light that was tricky.

:My interpretation anyway. Cheers! [[User:Vfp15|Vincent]] 12:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:PS I really like Sargent's work, but I don't ''really'' think he's the greatest artist that ever lived. ;) -- vfp15

== Harvey ==

Is he a mate? It's wierd we're both editing him tonight, or did you spot one of my "Artist aouthors" adds? I'm trying to declutter the Visual arts categories. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a great name - which he lives up to by the photo! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- No - no photo; thinking of Spike, is it? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:27, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

-I was thinking of [[John Spike]], another stray sheep category-wise, though actually on looking again at his photo I'm in no position .... [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

-very different! Good portrait, with the "bonus tracks" behind[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
==Calder==
Thanks for your message. Please have at the Calder images, and try to place them. I'm actually working today on real life stuff. I'm not a big Robert Hughes fan and his comment about Chardin was a bit too pushy I thought, but as the Chardin show at the Met demonstrated he was a great still life painter, an interesting and good printmaker and definitely more modern than most of his contemporaries. I like Watteau a lot and there are some great Fragonard's at the Frick, but Chardin has a reality to him that still resonates, maybe because he painted ordinary people doing ordinary things. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 14:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:Hi and thanks for the message. Yeah, I saw the Chardin show about six or seven times, I have to admit that while I saw the Alice Neel show, I had absolutely no recollection that it was up at the same time - Summer 2000. Its funny how certain things are vivid and certain things fade. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 03:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== External link removal ==

Hello JNW,

On July 18, 2007 you removed external links to a private gallery from the following articles:

(diff) (hist) . . Rockwell Kent‎; 23:03 . . (-111) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (rv private gallery link)

(diff) (hist) . . Maurice Prendergast‎; 23:02 . . (-15) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (rv commer)

(diff) (hist) . . Childe Hassam‎; 22:59 . . (-194) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (→External links - rv two links to private galleries)

(diff) (hist) . . William Merritt Chase‎; 22:43 . . (-109) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (→External links - rv commercial link; bio links already here)

(diff) (hist) . . Charles E. Burchfield‎; 22:42 . . (-114) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (rv gallery link; other bio links here already)

(diff) (hist) . . Winslow Homer‎; 22:38 . . (+7) . . JNW (Talk | contribs) (rv link to commercial gallery, replaced with museum bio)

I felt the links to this gallery had pertinent information and visuals related to these artists. External links can sometimes walk a fine line between being viable and violating Wikipedia policy. I think other external links in these articles should have been reviewed for removal as well, because they too walk that fine line of violating Wikipedia policy.

On the [Rockwell Kent] page both the [http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/search/Search_Repeat.aspx?searchtype=IMAGES&artist=24021 Rockwell Kent Artwork Examples on AskART] and Photos of the [http://www.mansionbooks.com/BookDetail.php?bk=232 Random House edition of Moby Dick Illustrated by Rockwell Kent] links should have been considered for removal. [http://www.askart.com AskArt.com] is a major dealer resource for buying and selling of art online. And the link to the Moby Dick book has numerous links to other book buying websites. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the ISBN number listed as stated in the Wikipedia guidelines for the book link?

In the both the [William Merritt Chase] and [Childe Hassam] articles there are links to [http://www.artcyclopedia.com Artcyclopedia.com] Both sites display numerous links to dealer sites.

Again, the same goes for the AskArt.com links found in both the [Charles Burchfield] and [Winslow Homer] articles.

Often, I see external links removed form articles and not others when they too may warrant removal. I would just like to see more attention paid to this issue.

Thank you for taking the time to update and maintain these articles. At times, it's not an easy job and is much appreciated. [[User:Alp1776|Alp1776]] 14:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


*Hi Alp1776,

Thanks for your message. I don't claim to be an exhaustive editor when it comes to deleting external sites that I think are not appropriate links--often it's the most recent changes that catch my eye, as was the case here. Often these links were added to articles which already linked to other biographies, so these extra links look superfluous. And when added en masse, it gives the appearance, justified or not, that a web site, in this case for a commercial entity (which happens to sell very fine artwork), is being plugged. In several cases I replaced the commercial links with biographical entries from museum sites, where a product is not quite so obviously being sold, all of which I noted in the edit summaries. Finally, I think it says somewhere in [[WP:EL]] that arguing that the presence of other questionable links is beside the point--if you think they don't belong, please revert them, too. If the biography can use a good scholarly link, please add one from a non-commercial source. I'd be grateful. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 23:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
==Self-Portrait==
Hi JNW, In regards to your comment on [[Talk:Self-portrait]] - Yeah, I was surprised the other day when I found this - [[Talk:Self-portrait/Autoportrait,from the French]], I've been doing a lot of work on [[Self Portrait]] for several months off and on, and I discovered the other article accidently a few days ago by surprise. Inadvertantly since it was different in so many ways from the other article I mistakenly moved it from [[Talk:Self-portrait/Autoportrait,from the French]] to an article page now called [[Self-portrait/Autoportrait]]. Clearly the two articles are related but different. Now I've been editing both. I think [[Self Portrait]] is superior but I'm interested in creating the two related but different articles at this point. Frankly I wish [[Self-portrait/Autoportrait]] had a talk page, but I'm at a loss as to how to make a talk page on it, I've tried but it doesn't seem to work. - [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 04:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Now sorted. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 10:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== Moreshwar Mandviker ==

<s>Actually, the new article is better -- still horribly written, but it now asserts notability and doesn't include contact information. I am going to put an unsourced tag on it, though. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] 02:38, 3 August 2007 (UTC)</s> Oops, you're right, missed the Rembrandt stuff. Now deleted. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] 02:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

*Thanks. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 03:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

== [[Figurative art]] ==

Well the only meat is the contemporary US stuff - it is a very poor stub otherwise (or either way). I didn't change the redirect, so "figurative art" will still take you there. Move it back by all means if you like, but until it covers the wider subject much better I don't think I'm inclined to myself. I've come across Dana Levin promoting herself very persistently elsewhere & admit I thought it easiest to shunt her onto a siding; if removed she will certainly add herself back. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 19:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

::It was a quick & dirty solution & I really don't mind at all if you revert. Like you, I certainly don't have much appetite for overhauling the article, & the 20th century bit is not an area I'm very at home in. Actually at the moment I think it needs more on modern figurative art, rather than some brief overview of world art history. How about "figurative art in the modern period", still keeping the redirect from plain FA? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 21:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:::I've cut out all the unreferenced material and moved it back to [[Figurative art]] as we need something there. I suggest continuing discussion on article talk page. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 17:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice work.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Figurative_art&curid=1385858&diff=150687541&oldid=149582564] [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 01:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

:I'm going to have to leave figurative and abstract to you and others for the time being. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 19:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
==[[Figurative art]] part II==
I like the idea of you starting a new article about 20th century figurative art. Covering the bases from Matisse, Picasso, Chagall, Modigliani to Avery, Graham, Gorky, De Kooning, Pollock (1951-1953), Wyeth, Freud, Bacon, Auerbach, to Park, Diebenkorn, Neri, Bischoff, to Pop Art, Porter, Katz, Red Grooms, to Clemente, Fischl, and the Art Student League types. Give it a go. I think its timely. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 22:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:Like you, actually I have lots coming at me this fall, real stuff, in real life, but I'll help you if you need. Lets think about it. Its a project. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 01:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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==category: ''People from Valencia'' versus ''Valencian People''==
I was just looking up the answer in Wikipedia guide and while it seems the preferred setting is the former, likely with a clarification as to Valencia, Spain; it accepts the latter when the provenance would be commonly recognized (ie Bostonians as opposed to People from Boston).
I looked up the Valencian People category and it has far more than the former, so I will change my entries to favor popuplar majority. thanks. [[User:CARAVAGGISTI|CARAVAGGISTI]] 22:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== Back again ==

DA-DA !!! Thanks - Still accelerating back down the slip road of the WP autoroute so far, but will no doubt reach the usual excessive speed soon! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 19:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Copied text ==

That's a delete. Wikipedia's license allows reuse for any purpose, not just educational, so we'd be trying to give away more rights than they granted to us. <i>—[[User:Celithemis|Celithemis]]</i> 23:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==[[Chiaroscuro]]==
Any chance of giving this a once-over? I've added stuff that was needed on modelling chiaroscuro rather than the big bad Caravaggio sort. Also if you have any good references covering these two uses of the term clearly, that would be very handy. Thanks!

I've sorted the [[Self portrait/Autoportrait]] talk page out (from above). [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 10:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - That was the way I thought about chiaroscuro too, & is clearly how it is now normally used. But after I did the article over the first time, I kept coming across the modelling use in art history. I haven't seen Grove on it (in theory I can access at home via my local library, in practice it very rarely works - supposedly my Norton security interferes) but all the other reference works I have seen don't handle the various meanings very well imho. I had a quick look at Delacroix, which looked good - it's alarming how many big names need a makeover. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 14:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

==Art==
I'd had a quick look - the main problem it seems to me is that the first sections are talking about Art as in "the arts", & the rest of the article is mostly about visual art (as I think it should be). Its all awfully woolly, & I'll see what I can do, but then I've never got beyond p12 of [[Richard Wollheim]]'s opus. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:Actually I see I am at p.40, by which point we have more or less satified ourselves that there is no physical object called [[Der Rosenkavalier]]. Great stuff. Peeping ahead, I see on p.143: "Enough has already been said in this essay to suggest that our initial hope of eliciting a definition of art, or of a work of art, was excessive ....".

:I think at the moment the best I can suggest on the evaluation para is to remove it until something better comes along. It is clearly drivel as it stands. But I may continue to tinker with it. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 16:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:I've added some, & cut some, but I see there is a much better article on the philosophy at [[Aesthetics]]. I'm not sure at all what [[Art]] is for, or about. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 17:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

==Categories: "People from XYZ" or "XYZ people"?==
This is a muddled area. I think the former is the correct form unless the latter is a more commonplace usage (New Yorkers, for example). I honestly didn't have the energy to look and see how big the valencian people category was, but I will make merge them in the near future. Thanks for the edits. [[User:CARAVAGGISTI|CARAVAGGISTI]] 22:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
==Nice surprise==
Thank you, what a terrific surprise, most appreciated. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 03:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Attributions ==

Indeed - I nearly quoted in the article a cutting footnote (same ref as bit I did quote) by Rosand saying that really most books on Giorgione should have the same title as one Italian article in the literature: "Il mio Giorgione"! You can certainly hear the knives being sharpened in some of the literature. Do we allow Daumier off-days? His output was so prodigious maybe we should. I don't usually take strong stands - as an artist I think you are equipped to judge in ways I'm not. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

:Right, but you understand so many aspects like brush technique far better. I saw this [[Image:Frans Hals 005.jpg|thumb|100px]] magnificent thing yesterday (great NG exhibition) & had a good look before reading the card & discovering they got fed up with Hals taking so long & hired Codde I think to do ....(answer unpside down at the bottom - the whole right half!). He adapted his technique to match, & certainly had me fooled. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 15:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Vanishing images==
I have same problem. Not a clue why it's happening. Try [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 06:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Thank you==
Hello JNW, I just wanted to say thank you for reverting the edits by [[User:194.164.236.17]] today. This anon IP seems to only add edits about Will Tether. Makes me wonder if it is a fan or a publicist. I wanted to let you know that I added a warning to their talk page. This editor may warrant blocking one day and I have noticed that admins are loath to do this unless they have been warned about their behavior. Also, they may not know that they can become an editor who can contribute positively until they know what they are doing wrong (though I don't think that is they case here). If you encounter these edits again you may want to consider adding new warnings to their page (see [[WP:WARN]]), but, please don't feel that you have to do this. I am only mentioning it as a suggestion. Thanks for your time and happy editing. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]] | [[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 00:12, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== [[:Image:Camille.jpg]] ==

Hi. Could you help figure out what happened to this picture of a French impressionist painting? [[:Image:Camille.jpg]]. -- [[User:71.191.36.194|71.191.36.194]] 03:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== AIV report for {{vandal|216.114.182.34}} ==

You reported {{vandal|216.114.182.34}} at [[WP:AIV]], but since the last vandalism was about 10 or 11 hours ago, I don't think the IP address poses a current threat. I was going to remove the report, but [[User:Husond|Husond]] beat me to it. If the vandal returns tomorrow, feel free to make a new report at [[WP:AIV]] where someone can intercept the vandalism as it's happening. Thanks. --[[User:Elkman|Elkman]] <sup>[[User talk:Elkman|(Elkspeak)]]</sup> 02:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== FACs ==

I have just bitten the bullet and put half a dozen articles up for Featured Article review. including [[Romanesque architecture]], [[Gothic architecture]], [[Renaissance architecture]] and [[Italian Renaissance painting]]. If you would like to add your twopence worth as to whether they are among the best articles on wiki, then please do! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 09:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm doin' damn awful! Cracked 3 vertebrae. had to give up th course, and have a series of medicals.... I've been so down I haven't been able to concentrate... ended up doing stupid edits on IMDb instead. Well, I'm back![[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 12:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
::I've got books piled around the floor six deep, and don't have the energy to shove them back on the shelves. I wish my son and my dawg were not both so bouncy. You can see my dawg at [[Australian Cattle Dog]]. He's the sneaky-looking blue brute with the bat ears and a head like a hyena. Thanks for the encouragement. We ate out tonight and it was delicious. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 12:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

== Drake ==

Hola,

Sir Francis Drake's Spanish nickname was El Draque (not El Dragón). Please look it up.

Draque is old Spanish from the Latin draco. The old English "drake" and modern usage "dragon" are the same as the old Spanish "draque" and modern "dragón".

cheers,
Gibbonsez <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gibbonsez|Gibbonsez]] ([[User talk:Gibbonsez|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gibbonsez|contribs]]) 05:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Drake ==

El Draque

easy to check sources are:


Sir Walter Raleigh: Being a True and Vivid Account of the Life and Times of ... By Raleigh Trevelyan (available on Google Books)

The Literary World By Samuel R. Crocker, Edward Abbott, Nicholas Paine Gilman, Madeline Vaughan Abbott Bushnell, Bliss Carman, Herbert Copeland p54 (available on Google Books)

Oceana, Or, England and Her Colonies By James Anthony Froude p 32 (available on Google Books)

http://findesemana.libertaddigital.com/articulo.php/1276231817

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sir_francis_drake.htm

http://www.xroyvision.com.au/drake/history/drum1.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacafuego

http://www.mojitocompany.com/pages.php?pageid=4

http://www.global-travel.co.uk/drake.htm

http://www.wandea.org.pl/drake.htm

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/explorers/page/d/drake.shtml

http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/exist/drake.html

Btw, google "El Dragòn" with "Drake", you will see that the few references to this version of the Drake nickname seem to source back to the uncorrected Wikipedia article, sadly including an eBay listing for 1722 edition of Drake's Voyages which clearly prefaces the quote with "According to Wikipedia". Even running a Google search with these terms turns up more hits which reflect the correct "El Draque" nickname. Of course, if you search "El Draque" and "Drake" you will find many, many uses of the correct nickname.

cheers,
Gibbonsez <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gibbonsez|Gibbonsez]] ([[User talk:Gibbonsez|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gibbonsez|contribs]]) 06:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

===Rembrandt===
No, I didn't have a conflict. Keep going, but let me know when you're done & I'll add touches if still on. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 02:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Dynamic/Synergistic Expressionism ==

Yes, that editor is determined to promote this "movement" and the artist attached to it. No sources though, which creates a few problems. I'm sure the PROD will be removed, so the article may need to go to speedy or AfD. I'm offline for the rest of the weekend (Canadian Thanksgiving/vacation from wiki), so you may need to take it to the next step if necessary. Cheers. [[User:Freshacconci|Freshacconci]] | [[User talk:Freshacconci|Talk]] 14:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

== Haystacks (Monet) GA on hold ==

We are on the borderline with [[Haystacks (Monet)]]. The fourth attempt has gotten to a hold status. We have another 5 days to meet all their demands. Do you still have access to the Tucker text? A {{tl|fact}} tag was place on a sentence. The subsequent sentence has a Tucker footnote on it. I am unsure if Tucker applies to both sentences. Come by and help out with the editorial changes if you have some time.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 16:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the help with the sentence. They also asked us to cite another sentence in the [[Haystacks_%28Monet%29#1888-1889_paintings]] section. Let me know if you have any text on that one because when I was a novice editor I did not cite my sources so well.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 17:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
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I've added 5 images, at least 3 of which are new and unique. Please lend your expert opinion on whether all 5 are new.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 20:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I will remove all of the 1890 harvest images. You can always revert any of them.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 20:34, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the kind words. I have found a little new text, that I will add to the article today or tomorrow.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 16:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::I have added everything I can think of. Let me know what you think of the recent additions. Once you have looked at them, we can ask for our final review.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 21:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

==Well deserved==
Congratulations, well deserved barnstar. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 22:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:As long as it stays interesting and I keep doing my work. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 23:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Haystacks (Monet) - GA finally ==

Thanks for your editorial efforts. I would still be banging my head against the wall without you. You may want to display this somewhere. {{User Good Article|Haystacks (Monet)}}--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[ User:TonyTheTiger/WPChiDirector |tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM]]) </small> 14:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== Drawing ==

Thanks on CC - it came out nicely I think. I only did a little revert, as you probably saw, & haven't checked what's left of our previous reverts! It needs a good going over when the storm passes... Cheers, [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 18:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== [[Michelangelo]]. ==

You're welcome. :) · <font face="Times New Roman">[[User:AndonicO|'''A'''''ndonic'''''O''']] <sup>[[User talk:AO|''Talk'']]</sup></font> 11:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Reply ==

I'm inclined to agree with you. Aside from [[WP:COI]], there's a whole list of issues that spring to mind. How to decide on something so arbitrary (who gets to have work used to illustrate an article)? How would we control the deluge of artists posting their work for self-promotion? What about quality: is anything game? Who decides what's "good enough" for Wikipedia? I think [[WP:COI]] covers it well as a policy and deleting images like that when we encounter them is justified. This particular instance seems to have been settled by [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] (the artist has asked that his drawings be taken off Wiki Commons). [[User:Freshacconci|Freshacconci]] | [[User talk:Freshacconci|Talk]] 16:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
::Hopefully his drawings will be removed from commons, I'm glad you removed the Piaf drawing, I made the point with Picasso - but it is a can of worms. I didn't want to be so heavy handed as to wipe em all off but I really think they should all go. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 19:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:Although I'm in agreement with you concerning only well known works as illustration material, I mentioned [[Phong Bui]]'s drawing of [[Elizabeth Murray]] in the September issue of the ''[[Brooklyn Rail]],'' - his drawings are astonishingly sensitive, I'd like us to have an open mind concerning material that might be new, but extraordinary. As subjective as that sounds, I hope my judgement is trustworthy. Thanks by the way for dealing with those not so great pictures. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 21:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel much the same, as to the subjectivity of such decisions, as well as my own ability to make such judgments. Still, it would be tempting for me to use what I think are extraordinary drawings by my friends, colleagues, or even those whose work most closely corresponds to my own tastes, which defines too narrow a spectrum, and runs close to [[COI]]. Fuller disclosure: I have painted commissioned portraits, from life, of notables with Wikipedia articles, and have, in weak moments, thought about including one of my paintings in a subject's biography, but this would, naturally, be a [[COI]]. It would even raise real questions should another party (the subject, their institution, or one of my business agents) do the same, even for an established portrait artist, for purposes which could easily be construed as promotional.

Not that it could not be done, and with good results, but tricky. [[User:JNW|JNW]] 02:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

== The protection ==

You're welcome for my protection of that article. :) [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 01:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

== Image:JENNIFER.jpg listed for deletion ==
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, [[:Image:JENNIFER.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2007 October 20#Image:JENNIFER.jpg|discussion]] to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. [[User:Nv8200p|Nv8200p]] [[User_talk:Nv8200p|talk]] 15:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC) <!-- Template:Idw -->

==[[Drawing]]==
Check out [[User talk:141.219.44.104]]. The edits from anons beginning 141.219.44 are from Michigan Technological University. If there is vandalism, give the usual warnings, which can then lead to a block. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 16:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

== Long time ==

Hi Sparkit. Miss your contributions. Hope you are well. Best wishes, [[User:JNW|JNW]] 04:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::I miss you too, I hope you are well, are you ok? [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] 22:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

:::You all are sweet! I'm fine. In June I moved from Seattle to Leavenworth, Washington to do design and layout at the weekly newspapers here. In Sept. and Oct. we do one special section after another which kept me extremely busy (see some of the covers on my blog, http://www.makinitupasigo.com/blog). I'm also living in a rural area without broadband (gasp), and around the end of Sept. my phone line went goofy and I can no longer connect to my dialup ISP, and I've not yet contacted Verizon to get that fixed. So, basically I'm more involved right now with print publishing than web publishing, and I just a few weeks ago got my studio area set up at home.[[User:Sparkit|--sparkit]][[User_talk:sparkit|<small><sup>TALK</sup></small>]] 18:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== remarks ==

Ooh, when was that? Sounds out of character! Very sorry to see you're not well - hope you recover soon. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 23:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Hi JNW!==
I'm sorry to hear you are not well! Hope you are soon your old self!

Re Leo's handedness, that is a good article. Would you contribute a paragraph, calling it whatever you think appropriate? When you feel up to it.... [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] 02:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

==Hari & [[W. H. Auden]]==
Well spotted! I've added the <nowiki>{{Hoax}}</nowiki> tag to the [[Kenneth Hari]] article. If you're interested why, see [http://www.hari.com/quotes.htm here] and [http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=70445517 here]. [[User:Xn4|<span style="color:#9911DD">Xn4</span>]] 04:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

==Sistine Chapel restoration ==
Oh we are having a little conflict over Neutrality [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Restoration_of_the_Sistine_Chapel_frescoes]. You might feel inclined to put your twopence in! ...[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 10:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Sivkov==

You have recently tagged my Sivkov article. You also claim that we've been through this before. You'll have to forgive me, but I do not recall ever having discussed anything with you. That said: yes, I agree that the article would do better with more references (that is currently underway). I do, however, disagree with referring to the tone used as peacocked. I have an MA in cultural history from the University of Florida. I am aware of the vernacular used in scholastic art reviews, studies and literature. It does appear to me that you enjoy studying art. However, there is a great difference between the academic research and amateur writing. With respect; if you have any helpful hints, let me know.

[[User:DebrayR|DebrayR]] ([[User talk:DebrayR|talk]]) 21:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you that the language used is colourful. I have taken the time to read some of your contributions to wikipedia. And, the difference is that your work focuses on the biographical aspect of the artists' lives, and not a critical description of the artists' oeuvre. Nevertheless, I agree that more references would benefit the Sivkov article.

respectfully, [[User:DebrayR|DebrayR]] ([[User talk:DebrayR|talk]]) 16:35, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

*Thanks for your note. My contributions are not offered as exemplary, but I try to refer, as best as I can, to the general tenets of encyclopedic writing. So, I have come to use references a lot, and to hold to verifiable information. One tries to hold to that which has scholarly precedent. This is absolutely necessary for an encyclopedia.

:Critical description of an artist's work is allowable, but it must be cited, rather than put forth by you and me. Otherwise, there are so many flights of alliterative and critical fancy I would like to indulge in when writing about artists, most of which would be justifiably reverted as original research ([[WP:OR]]). [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW|talk]]) 16:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Pearl Buck illustrators ==

Personally, I am aware of no precedents for including references to illustrators of works in the biography of the author. Such content could reasonably I think be added to the content in the bio of the illustrator, but from what little I know the author doesn't necessarily choose the illustrator, so there's not necessarily any real connection between the author per se and the illustrator. Having said all that, inclusion of such info in the articles on the books themselves makes perfect sense, and if it can be established that there was a degree of personal contact between an author and an illustrator, that could be referenced in the article too. But personally I can't see justifying the existing section in the article in question. I'll make similar contents on the talk page if you so request, but I'm kinda new to the biography project so I can't cite previous cases as well as I might like. [[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:Warlordjohncarter|talk]]) 22:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Much appreciated. [[User:Freshacconci|<b><FONT COLOR="#000000">freshacconci</FONT></b>]][[User talk:Freshacconci|<b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">speak</FONT><FONT COLOR="#00FF00">to</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF">me</FONT></b>]] 18:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== [[Grand manner]] ==

It was really very little - it's very kind of you to take the trouble to mention it. [[User:HeartofaDog|HeartofaDog]] ([[User talk:HeartofaDog|talk]]) 23:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! I hope I am at the polishing stage of [[Raphael]] btw, so do make any changes that occur [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 09:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Ribera==
I thought so till I saw [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alligator&diff=prev&oldid=119953872 his only other edit]! But maybe we have Dad now. Anyway Prado say it's Phil. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 20:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Las Meninas==
Hi JNW, I've put the above up for peer review [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Las Meninas/archive1|here]]. Any though or comments from you would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 12:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
*LOL, I expect it got jealous of all the other paintings 'currently residing' in places! I'm done here for now.[[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 21:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Good catch - one of mine of course! The new "culmination of themes in V" bit is a bit thin on refs as I don't have a proper V book - I slightly regret not buying the 70% off NG exhibition catalogue earlier in the week - you don't happen to have anything to sprinkle a ref or 2 from do you? No doubt the lord will provide otherwise. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 21:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree on the dead author style - past tense is better. well done retrieving that ref. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 00:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hi JNW, do you have more on the infra-red examinations, its sourced to López-Rey, a book I don't have. Did you see Awadewit's notes on PR. Thanks for all the edits bty, the article has really come in the last few days. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 13:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::No problem. I was ''very'' please with the work both you and Johnbod put in over the last few days; it was more than I could have hoped for. Ye fixed a fair few inaccuracies, and developed a number of threads I had neglected. As I'm so mired in Velázquez at the moment, and have all the sources to hand, I'm probably goning to do one more. Caught between ''The Rokeby Venus'' & ''Innocent X''. Which would you think would be the more interesting? Thanks again. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:::There are lingering bits of OR here and there. I see from talk, and the revision history, you have fought hard against these 'flights of fancy'; I suggest we cut them. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 03:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
He, I'm sharpening my blades now. Tbh, I haven't gotten to grips with Foucault yet, he is obviously ''the'' major voice on the painting from the last 50 yrs, but his is not a language or way of thinking I paticularly have an interest in. I'm more visceral; but suppose he has to be tackled at some stage.

I thought this talk comment from you was very astute: "the mirror reflection of the king and queen implies space in front of the assemblage, on our plane, and the open doorway and courtier on the stairs implies space in the opposite direction", and I managed to find a similar observation a few days ago, complete with cites; but some fucker rv'd it. Odd, no? [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 03:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'm going to go with venus; a pity in a way as I am a huge Bacon fan, but there is a great story behind the nude, and a vast amount of source material. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

==Portrait==
Just a bit of digging in a few moments of idleness... I was interested to find out a bit more about your work, so I looked at the early versions of your user page. I found a video of Daniel Edwards on youtube and your picture is a sound representation of him. I wasn't familiar with his work previously. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 21:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, I'd be interested. Is there a web site? [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 06:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Links ==

Oh [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:218.44.36.154&diff=prev&oldid=178861572 yes], that's where I found the handy collection of Baldung's lovely farting witches, including a misattributed GB Palumba not otherwise on the net at all which supplied a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leda_and_the_Swan&diff=prev&oldid=178844691 gap]. But erotica apart the site is not good. He implies we've done this before & maybe we have; I suppose "spam" might be unfair. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Promotion at [[Fine art]] ==
You might be interested to see the last few posts in [[User_talk:Xn4#Re:_Kenneth_Hari|this thread]] on my talk page. Regards, [[User:Xn4|<span style="color:#9911DD">Xn4</span>]] 21:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== Holidays ==
*I hope you have a good break, and happy holidays. You are a tremendously valuable editor. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 12:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::It's good to take some time away, if you can, and it's hard to paint, have a career, teach, have shows and continue writing sometimes. As I mentioned you are a very valuable editor. Thanks for your kind words and excellent work. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 21:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:WollongongMinersCottage Christmas2007.JPG|thumb|200px|"Greetings from the 'Gong!" <small>(a miner's cottage c.1940, decorated for Christmas 2007)</small>]]‎

==[[Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!]]==
May God bless and keep you! I hope that you will be back soon!
From [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 06:42, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

==Rokeby Venus==
Hey JNW, work has started on the Venus; it would be great if you could help out after your well deserved break. Your high quality additions are always appreciated. I found a number of strong sources for Inoocent X, maybe a [[triptych]], eh? Talk to you later. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 10:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:Great. ''Las Meninas'' is way way better than anything I could achieve on my own. Thats why I asked for your input again, and why I was paniky when I thought you had left. Anyway, Onwards! I'm finding the sources for the venus are more about the context of nudes in general, and not much on the actual detail of the painting. Do you have any good books to recommend. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
::Ha! "Just when I thought I got out, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACIS1inmjFc they pull me back in]" [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Christ. Years and years since I saw that film. Always had a thing for Shirley MacLaine, god bless her ldear self. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

==[[Doris Downes]]==
OK, I've had a look. I should think there's enough in sources to establish notability, even if as someone who has played a key (and now publicly recognised) role in the life of [[Robert Hughes]].

I missed the previous message you left with the web site link, but have now spotted it and checked it out. Good stuff. Any more info? [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 04:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:Decent list of shows, collections and prizes, but a bit thin on secondary sources? [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 05:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I've found a few more things also actually! Maybe you could put a scan of the CSM on your site, preferably with permission from the journal and let me know, if so. Some medium market newspapers would be useful also. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 06:33, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:Fine. My user name @gmail.com. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 06:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Meninas ==

Ha - caught you! There is also discussion on the cutting-down at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Las Meninas]] - perhaps you could confirm my guesswork! Happy New Year! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:LOL - I think I'll paint a red cross on a tee-shirt! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
::Great - thanks. Worth a note maybe? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

==Fireworks==
Australia is (don't know why!) a major pyrotechnic producer. Just before Christmas an arsonist set fire to one of the biggest factories, with the result that all the New Year's Eve display for Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane when off prematurely.... what a horrible (and dangerous) thing to do! Thank you for the Whistler. I have never succeeded in taking a good photos of fireworks. I really miss the days when you could buy double bungers and jumpimg jacks at the corner shop. I loved the bangs and the smell! Have a Happy New Year! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 07:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

===Maids of Honour again===
I've just had another go at the light/composition thing. As I see it, the other stuff about the panting is interesting, the identities and so on, and people do love to speculate about the reflection, but it is the composition that has caused the painting to be acclaimed as the greatest painting in the world, so that's what we need to emphasise. As one whose own compositional skills are right up there, can you take a look please? [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 01:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


::Oh Dear! I didn't know! I'll try to be careful! From our spot on top of the hill we can see the fireworks display on New years eve, but we weren't at home this year, so, from my sister's house down in the valley I could only hear them. Oh well, the company was good, and so was the wine.
:::I have no doubt that I will get feedback.... and they are going to want me to cite things. ... it's all apparent from just looking... the painting is the document. ....[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 11:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks, yes. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 02:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Admin==
Hi. I just wondered if you've considered becoming an admin. You seem experienced enough, so I'd be happy to nominate you if you're interested. Regards. [[User:Epbr123|Epbr123]] ([[User talk:Epbr123|talk]]) 18:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:Seconded. Keep me posted. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 20:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see you've declined! Your user stats [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=JNW&site=en.wikipedia.org user stats], in case you didn't know this tool. Probably a little weak on the *fD front... If you want, you can go to your preferences, and under "editing" click the bottom box, so you will get a reminder to leave edit summaries. However, it's not such a bad thing to enjoy editing without the trials and tribulations of being an admin. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 23:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

For the revert. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small>&nbsp;([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 15:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Rollback ==

Hello JNW, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of ''reverting [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]]'': I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see [[Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback]] and [[Wikipedia:Rollback feature]]. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] ([[User talk:Tyrenius|talk]]) 20:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)



==Mystery reference==

What topic did you contact me about? I've always tried to provide documentation... [[User:Dougie monty|Dougie monty]] ([[User talk:Dougie monty|talk]]) 08:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Lack of documentation seems to be a long-standing issue. A review of your contributions, as well as much previous correspondence on your talk page, suggests as much. Thank you. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 15:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I would appreciate being told ''which'' Wikipedia topic you are criticizing me about--unless it's simply "lack of documentation," as you claim. I gave the name of the newspaper which I said had a headline about [[Pat Nixon]]. Is that what you mean? If I've made a mistake I want to know what it is so I can correct it and not repeat it... [[User:Dougie monty|Dougie monty]] ([[User talk:Dougie monty|talk]]) 09:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Very well...If I understand aright (and I will follow the references you have given), it is or should be understood, that a contributor is to give sources--author, work, publication year, page, etc. as a matter of course. With the speicific items you mentioned I can only do this in reference to Pat Nixon; the souce I referred to was not Earle Temple's ''Humor in the Headlines'' but ''Presidential Anecdotes'' by Paul F. Boller, Jr. (1981), p. 331, which itself refers to William Safire's ''Before the Fall'' (1975), p. 530.

That said, I suppose there are others who have read ''archy and mehitabel'' and wondered why it never occurred to archy to jump onto a punctuation key; I noticed that in the [[Archie Comics]] Archie's mother was drawn as plump and gray- (not red-) haired in earlier comics but in fact has been shown younger--almost as young as Archie himself, it seems!--in more recent years. And I assume the hostility directed toward Charles de Gaulle was commemorated in more orthodox ways than being scratched onto a hand-dryer in a restroom! In short, what I was expressing may have been already self-evident...

In any case, I shall follow your advice. [[User:Dougie monty|Dougie monty]] ([[User talk:Dougie monty|talk]]) 00:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, the edits you made directly after this statement, as after previous similar discussions with other editors, indicate that you have no intention of using cites. To use an encyclopedia as an indiscriminate catch-all for trivia is to...trivialize it. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 04:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks JNW, I got a real buzz from working with you and Johnbod, and the energy around the Las Meninas page in the weeks just before and during the FAC was quite something to see, even if I had largely stepped back at that stage. I've been a bit lazy with Venus (moved country in the last two weeks), but got a copy of [http://www.amazon.com/Venus-Her-Mirror-Velazquez-Painting/dp/3791327836 this] during last week. So within fortnight I'll come a knocking. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

== good night ==

Those painting of yours are pretty cool.

thats all from me for tonight

[[Special:Contributions/71.99.83.215|71.99.83.215]] ([[User talk:71.99.83.215|talk]]) 07:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==Main page!!==
Good news....if you consider 24 hrs fighting bored high school brats [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Las_Meninas&diff=189154540&oldid=189154314 good news]. Still, fame at last eh? [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 00:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

== Diego Velázquez - La Familia ==

I'd like to investigate a little further and ask your recommendations for where to look. These observations have probably been made before, but there doesn't seem to be any reference to them.

It seems to me that ''La Familia'' and ''Las Hilanderas'' are directly linked to each other, not only because they are among the artists last works, but because they are communicating information.

Sorry, must pause; will come back later to complete the thoughts. Thank you, [[User:Shir-El too|<font color="F64A8A">'''''Shir-El'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Shir-El too|<font color="DF73FF">''too''</font>]] 15:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Back again. Forgive me if I slip and slide, but it's not easy to pin down impressions.

:1) Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my impression that ''La Familia'' is an unconventional work by the standards of the times; not a portrait of a person or event, but of an intimate environment, something done with commoners as the subjects, but not to royalty.

:2) The focus of the picture is the ''Infanta'' - or is it? While she is '''posed'' in the center of the room, everyone except Maria Barbola, who seems to be holding a hair ornament, is engaged in action; even the King and Queen are busy viewing the scene, while the dog's ears suggest annoyed resignation at being teased.

:3) Don José Nieto Velázquez, the artist's cousin, is seen through a doorway far to the back. But look at the symmetry: Velázquez is the court painter and a King's chamberlain, Don José is a Queen's chamberlain and ''head of the royal tapestry works''! Velázquez is standing at an easel painting - Don José is holding the corner of a curtain - or is it a tapestry?

:4) Look at the painting again: this is Velázquez' domain. Yes, the king has his own chair to sit in and watch Velázquez at work, but it is Velázquez' studio, overlooked by the artwork Velázquez curates and conserves. This is the summation of his lifetime's achievements, described by his own finest painting. This is his legacy.

:5) With a clear, direct link established between Velázquez' cousin and the royal tapestry works, ''Las Hilanderas'' needs to be re-examined. I don't know anything about iconography, but the conventional interpretation is too shallow; I'd be more inclined to look for a reference to Titian's ''Sacred and Profane Love''. Especially with the most beautiful woman in the picture shown only from the back. Was she the famous nude? Was this his way of flaunting her, yet protecting her identity? With the Inquisition always at his elbow, ''especially'' as a descendant of [[converso]]s, was he using a form of visual double-talk? And what is going on in the background, up the stairs?

Was the tapestry works a “sterile area” where a royal could select and discard a commoner bedmate for the night?

Sorry if I bored you, but ''La Familia'' worked it's magic on me too. Thank you for your attention, [[User:Shir-El too|<font color="F64A8A">'''''Shir-El'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Shir-El too|<font color="DF73FF">''too''</font>]] 00:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

:*A brief response, pleading my own lack of expertise on the subject; my contributions to [[Las Meninas]] were based not so much on personal observation as on published sources, primarily Lopez-Rey's catalog. Surely the work was unconventional, and its notability, of course, goes well beyond its iconoclasm. The subject of the painting's focal point(s), if I recall properly, is well covered in the article. It is not, to the best of my knowledge, definitely established that Jose Nieto was the artist's cousin--if so, then it would come from scholarship with which I am unfamiliar...not an impossibility. Your observations re: Las Hilenderas' meaning may have merit, but, as you know, would need reliable published scholarship to support its inclusion in an encyclopedia. With time and motivation I will peruse my shelves again. Any discernible lack of enthusiasm on my part is due to ailing health and multiple responsibilities, so that my desire for scholarly research on behalf of Wikipedia is currently close to nil. Lately I'm on vandal patrol only. Thanks for your thoughts, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 17:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you... ==
I am terribly sorry to have added to your load: I approached you because you were obviously far more knowledgeable than I am. I too have obligations at home, and snatch moments during 'night shifts' with my husband to enjoy WP. Above all, I wish you a speedy recovery. ''May your troubles be less, May your blessings be more, And may nothing but Happiness, Come through your door.'' [[User:Shir-El too|<font color="F64A8A">'''''Shir-El'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Shir-El too|<font color="DF73FF">''too''</font>]] 22:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

:No need to apologize! It's just another cold (!). My companion looks after me, and I enjoy her attentions. The stress comes mostly from teaching, painting, preparing for exhibitions, and articles soon-to-be published, all good things. And thank you for the kind sentiment, which I wish for you in return. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 22:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

==Women artists==
Hi my friend, I gave it a look. I have periodically edited over there, and I made a few nips, I agree that 21st century is still too early to call and Contemporary art seems more inclusive. I once had an interesting disagreement with a curator at an important NY museum about whether or not [[Albert Pinkham Ryder]] made any paintings in the 20th century. I said he did, (and he certainly finished a few in the years between 1900 and 1917), she said he didn't and she considered him to be a 19th century figure. Go figure - But I think the turn of the century is still turning. Thanks. - [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 05:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Thank you :) ==
[[Image:Thankyou1.png|100px|left]]
I'm not sure if they were trying to help or vandalize, but [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAnyeverybody&diff=192006268&oldid=192005464 either way thank you for fixing my page.] [[User:Anynobody|Anynobody]] 05:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. More often than not a stranger's edit of a user page constitutes mischief. So it appeared in this case. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 06:01, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Thanks ==

Anytime. (These vandals...!) - [[User:Milk's Favorite Cookie|'''''<font face="Ravie" size="2px" color="#4D0100">Milk's</font>''''']] [[User talk:Milk's Favorite Cookie|'''''<font face="Ravie" size="2px" color="#4D0100">Favorite</font>''''']] [[Special:Contributions/Milk's Favorite Cookie|'''''<font face="Ravie" size="2px" color="#4D0100">Cookie</font>''''']] 01:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks from the Prof==

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page :) - [[User:TheProf07|TheProf07]] ([[User talk:TheProf07|talk]]) 14:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:My pleasure, Prof. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 14:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

==Mona Lisa==
Any good sources to recommen on this? There is huge potential here for a great article, if we can keep the [[Weed|nuisance]] in pop culture stuff to a minimum. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 13:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:Amanda seems to be the resident expert on this area. I might approach her after I've had a closer look at the sources I've found so far. Take care. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
::I know what you mean about the trivia thing. There has been a war of attrition over on the [[Hieronymus Bosch]] page, frigging washing machine and video game users. Plucking, triming; but the onslaught never ends. There is always somebody who has just turned 13. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for letting me know about your revert. I've made some other changes and hope they're acceptable; you may have reasons for wanting to revert these as well (or you may [[User:Coppertwig/Self-revert|ask me to revert them]] pending discussion). I've put a wikilink from the first sentence of [[Speculation about Mona Lisa]] to the main [[Mona Lisa]] article, and I've changed the section heading in [[Mona Lisa]] from "Speculation about subject" to "Speculation about the painting", to reflect the fact that the speculation article is not only speculating about who the subject of the painting is. I also added a sentence to more fully summarize the contents of the speculation article. At least that way, if another person like me comes along wanting to add information explaining the smile, they'll have a better chance of discovering that it's already been summarized in the speculation article. --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] ([[User talk:Coppertwig|talk]]) 02:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:I appreciate your kind and courteous message. I'm guessing you want to change the tense of "is achieved"; I was unsure of that myself (or even whether a different word from "achieved" might be better, to leave open the possibility that the effect was an accident rather than the product of artistic genius.) Please feel free to make such adjustments to my edits. Note that I also made a further change, involving footnotes, to the speculation article. --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] ([[User talk:Coppertwig|talk]]) 03:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for your postscript. Not a problem: perhaps I gained some satisfaction from copying the footnotes myself. I encourage you to generally [[WP:AGF|assume]] that each person, regardless of the perceived quality of their contributions, is operating from an equal level of good faith to that which you seem to ascribe to me. I usually work on more science-oriented articles; it's been a pleasure to wander briefly into the more tranquil world of paintings and to meet you. --[[User:Coppertwig|Coppertwig]] ([[User talk:Coppertwig|talk]]) 10:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==RVV==
That's what I call a quick one! [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Matisse&diff=196039530&oldid=196039486] '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 14:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

:Ditto. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 14:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

== RE:Thanks ==

No problem! My talk page is free if you need any more assistance. Cheers, [[User:Master of Puppets|<font color="#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</font>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<span style="font-variant:Small-caps;><sub><font color="#7d7d7d">Call me MoP!<font size=4>☺</font></font></sub></span>]] 23:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==Re: Thank you...==
No problem! [[User:Sam42|Sam42]] ([[User talk:Sam42|talk]]) 19:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==[[Rokeby Venus|Venus]]==
I'm going to push this and input from you would be great. In other news, Outriggr and me are working on the [[Caspar David Friedrich|Friedrich]] article, and would appreciate your usual watchful eye. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
:Your talent is in the minute detail, (in Outrigg's words you are 'the serious art guy') and with Friedrich many of the sources contradict each other so your help would be much appreciated. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
::You said "art editors all-star team". I like that idea, that we could focus our efforts and work as a group. I'm off to ask Modernist for help with the Venus, meanwhile please add what you have to Friedrich. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 11:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:::We'll call it a hit team, so. The last V article showed each of our individual strenghts, and we should play to thoes. Help is always needed. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:V's bottom has been nomed. Help, please. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 16:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:: JNW, am I allowed to have my name back on your user page? :-) I <small>crosses fingers behind back</small> promise I won't leave! –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 08:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::: Many thanks. I like your painting selection for the wikipedia policies. That Goya will always be strange, seeming out of its time, from this amateur's perspective. –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 01:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The article was transformed during the process, and my thanks to you. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 20:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Dealing with Runningmike's vandalism==

Thanks!! I was in the midst of reverting his damage but then realized it was going to take forever. You rock!
[[User:Californiadude99|Californiadude99]] ([[User talk:Californiadude99|talk]]) 21:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:No sweat. Probably a slow day in Santa Margarita. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 21:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== paths ==

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[[Image:The Travelers.jpg|left|thumb]]
You are very kind, JNW—this comes through in what you do here, and also in your paintings. :) Thanks for the barnstar. Such gestures make the place worthwhile. –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 04:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

== John Sloan ==

This turned into a bigger job than expected, as another editor's slightly-incorrect markups scattered throughout were responsible for 2/3 of the article not displaying, and I'm far from brilliant at recognizing/fixing that stuff. But I'm glad they expanded this article, and thank you for the note! [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] ([[User talk:Ewulp|talk]]) 01:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

==Goya==
Would be delighted to help. I had a copy of Huges' bio until a few weeks back, but loaned it, and I cant remember to whom. Still, great potential here. I saw the painting a few yrs back (in the tate?), and it is stuck me as so physical, and raw. Did you msg Outriggr on this. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:Excellent choice bty. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::Looking forward to this. The most engoyable aspect of a project like this is reading the sources. What would you recommed? [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
You should know by now that I carnt spell! I going to capital city tomorrow, and they have a fairly healthy art section, so I'll buy what I find. Here is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opn8riUNygM nice music] (its easy to tell the video was directed by a YBA) [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:Just realised I have the Clarke book! [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Ha, that would make you about the same age as me so! Mona Lisa, and Seurat’s Bathers are on my radar; do you have interest. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 22:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what I can add, but I'll give it some work..thanks for asking...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 22:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::Count me in! I'll see what I can find at the library tomorrow. [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] ([[User talk:Ewulp|talk]]) 03:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Went away for 5 days, and was very impressed by the work since. Haven't added content yet (just fromatting stuff) but got a few books in town today, and hoping to get the Hughes book in Dublin tomorrow. I haven't read it in a few years (about 3), but I remember it is quite pacey and astute on this picture. I'm reading "Nothing if Not Critical" at the moment, and outside of [[David Sylvester]], I guess Hughes would be a favourite critic, not least for his 1987 assination of [[Julian Schnabel]], which I highly recommend. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 18:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
If we are to get this on main page for 03 May, we need to get our skates on. FAC will take at best two weeks, probably three. And we need at least a week for argue for it to be scheduled at [[WP:TFA/R]]. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 20:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Okay. I suspect my future involvement will taper off (promises, promises), due to extra-wiki concerns, which will include the usual painting, teaching, complaining, exhibiting, and now a regular column to write for a national publication. Best wishes, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 15:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::: Is it an art column, JNW? Just wondering what breadth and depth of art topics reach "national publications". –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 02:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for the email JNW. (Also taking the trouble to amend Ceoil's mention of me below.) –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 19:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::I would get on and nominate it now. It is not quite polished to perfection, but that will give the reviewers bones to gnaw. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 01:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Congratulations on your column, hopefully it won't take you away from your real job.......here, with us, uh, did I really say that...oh man, anyway - much congrats. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 04:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:Just adding my voice to the corus of congratulations. From what I know of you, JNW, the position is well deserved and will be inciteful and, uh, can't think of another word - great. I'm with Modernist in - don't forget about us lowely wiki editors though!! [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 06:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Congratulations indeed! I'm sure it will be a great success. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 09:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[WP:IAR]]. Maybe the mighty[-mouse (''O.'')] Outriggr will save the day. Maybe, maybe [not (''O.'')]. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Press the email button and send the link when it suits you [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVT9FlY_0rY&feature=related] [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 14:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That made me laugh - a subject for a Goya print indeed! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 15:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmm. Well better that than [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8f7MD6wVGs]. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 15:16, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah. I'm pretty sure I taught ''that'' landscape painting workshop. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 15:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
JNW, I suggested to Johnbod that [[Saturn Devouring His Son]] might be the next project. Apart from its amazingness, we all have Goya books to hand and are thinking that way; I think it would be an easy catch. Good things come in pairs. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:21, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Four Freedoms ==

I am not sure if [[Norman Rockwell]] is within your bailiwick, but I have recently created ''[[Four Freedoms (Norman Rockwell)]], [[Freedom of Speech (painting)]], [[Freedom to Worship (painting)]] and [[Freedom from Want (painting)]].'' Feel free to come by and contribute.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTD]]) </small> 22:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
==Monet==
Yes, I think that was a good faith edit too, I just didn't think it was correct. It actually was counter to what is conveyed by the two gallery split between later life and the early career. The death of Camille clearly was a shocking demarkation point for him. And his life and work were never the same, as he rose to the heights of fame and fortune. I would be happy to see your input there..and thanks for your message and your work overall, truly invaluable. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 16:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==The 3rd==
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| [[Japan]] || [[1995]] || 2597 high school students || 0.7% male || 1.9% female<ref>{{citation|title = Coprevalence of bulimia with alcohol abuse and smoking among Japanese male and female high school students|last1 = Suzuki|first1 = K|last2 = Takeda|first2 = A|last3 = Matsushita|first3 = S|journal = Addiction|volume = 90|number = 7|pages = 971--976|year = 1995|publisher = Blackwell Synergy|url = http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1360-0443.1995.90797110.x|doi = 10.1046/j.1360-0443.1995.90797110.x}}</ref>
|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |Thanks for bringing together [[The Third of May 1808‎]]. The article is very fine, and I look forward to the next project. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 17:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
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Although bulimia is overwhelmingly a disease of young women, it can affect others. Former British Deputy Prime Minister [[John Prescott]] says he developed bulimia in his 60s <ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7357430.stm by the BBC]</ref>.
== No problem ==

<strong>[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#006400">Spencer</span>]]</strong><sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:Coral">T♦</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:Coral">C</span>]]</sup> 01:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
==Congratulations==
for the Third of May 1808, reaching FA and it's still April.....[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 03:45, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
==The pub==
::I'll be there...by the way who's your tailor?[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 12:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Obviously, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GiovanniBattistaMoroniTheTailor.jpg]. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 12:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks, & thanks to you for spotting the opportunity! I've been trying to think what other Napoleonic era painting anniversaries lie ahead, but nothing of the same quality. I think Coeil will have to fly in from Ireland too. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 16:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:Um, probably I won't fly over for the occasion (I have work the next day), but a few pints sounds good JNW. But I have to warn you, as im Irish I'll probably start a ''fight'', and [[ Shane MacGowan|trash the joint]]. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::JNW, I would expect drinking buddies to rail-in in a fight and 'sort-out' my adversies unthinkly and regardless to logic or common sence; asking the when and why and whom questions only during the [[hair of the dog]] post analysis the following morning. Nevertherless, your Joni Mitchell link provoked serious admiration (what a great, great album) so I'll overlook this, this once. Re landscapes, ooh here is the place to be alright, the problem is the 363 days of poor light and rain we suffer a year; but still. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 00:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ha, no worries. Bty, never realised you where so dapper and dandy. Impressive, if slightly worring. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 00:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks, JNW, we'll raise a well-painted glass on the third-- [[User:Ewulp|Ewulp]] ([[User talk:Ewulp|talk]]) 20:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I know you are hard pressed for time these days, but feel to jump in on the [[The Garden of Earthly Delights]] at any time. There is a lot to say, keeping it to a reasonable size will be a challange (hopefully). Its only a sketch at present, but a watchful eye would be appreciated. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 21:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==Essay==
JNW, what do you make of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paris_Street%3B_Rainy_Day&diff=208042483&oldid=194015206 this]. It patently either OR, a school assignment, maybe even copy-vio; and though its terribly and informally written, it's salient and perceptive (more towards the end) nontheless. Worth working on? I moved it to the talk for now. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 23:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:The way it switches from the lucid to the banal every so often makes me think its half essay / half copy vio. Still, its a nice summation, and a good basis for a future expansion. I added another img to the third bty; can you check if its needed, and also the Guernica caption could be fuller (I don't have any sources) if you have a spare moment. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 01:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== May 3 ==

[[Image:Whistler_James_Chelsea_Wharf_Grey_and_Silver_1875.jpg|thumb|]]

No worries, of course! a trivial mistake. I only mentioned it to be a joker. Nice job on spearheading the ''May 3'' effort. –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 00:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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==Pontormo==

Hi JNW, just a note to thank you for your help in suggesting the Pontormo source - if you can believe (Ha!), that's actually the very same book with the Vasari analysis that I was citing! I agree that it's really a wonderful study. See you around soon, I'm sure... Cheers, [[User:Isocephaly|Isocephaly]] ([[User talk:Isocephaly|talk]]) 13:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
==The Pub==
It's up now! How exciting! –[[User:Outriggr|<font color="#112299">Outriggr]]</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Outriggr|''§'']] 00:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

*A glass of red Spanish wine, to begin - (gulp), hmmm, not too bad...cheers! [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:[[Image:Fifty-fifty - something better than rolling Easter eggs.jpg|thumb|200px|Na zdorovje, 03/05/08!]]
::I have just opened a 2007 Red Nun. It cost almost €4, but what the hell, it's the third of may. Slainte. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 12:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Thank You ==

Hi there,

Not a problem!

[[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black"> '''Helpful'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red"> '''One'''</font>]] <sup>[[User:Thehelpfulone/Review|(Review)]]</sup> 14:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== Four Freedoms ==

May I request your opinion at [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#Four_Freedoms_.28Norman_Rockwell.29]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 06:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for your reply. Please come see [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#Four_Freedoms_.28Norman_Rockwell.29_part_2]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|c]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|bio]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:LOTM]]) </small> 17:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Already reported him. ==

The name alone stinks of 'Vandal-only' [[User:HalfShadow|<font color="gray">'''Half'''</font>]][[User talk:HalfShadow|<font color="black">'''Shadow'''</font>]] 01:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for watching out for my userpage :) [[User:Wjw0111|Wjw0111]] ([[User talk:Wjw0111|talk]]) 01:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Your AIV report ==

As much as they might have deserved it, IPs are never blocked indefinitely unless they're open proxies. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 20:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Who's the user being copied? [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 03:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked indef. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 03:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for your AIV report. To echo the above, IPs cannot be blocked indefinitely. [[User:Xenocidic|xenocidic]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|talk]]) 20:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed that vandalism you reported was completely unacceptable, but it wouldn't be fair to the [[Static_IP#Uses_of_dynamic_addressing|next user of that IP]] for it to be indefinitely blocked. [[User:Xenocidic|xenocidic]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|talk]]) 20:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[Twinkie]] ==

I turned the two sockpuppet users in to [[WP:AIV]] and they were quickly blocked. Meanwhile, the Twinkie page is semi-protected. This is a true "Twinkie Defense". :) [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 15:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming==
Mail. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 15:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:More mail [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 17:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Overdue sent. [[User:Ceoil|Ceoil]] ([[User talk:Ceoil|talk]]) 11:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

[[Image:WikiThanks.png]] Thank you for reverting vandalism on my Talk page. <font face="Comic sans MS">[[User:Paul Erik|Paul Erik]]</font> <small><sup><font color="Blue">[[User_talk:Paul Erik|(talk)]]</font><font color="Green">[[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|(contribs)]]</font></sup></small> 04:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== [[User talk:Game4Fans]] ==

I declined the speedy deletion of [[User talk:Game4Fans]] as {{tl|db-spam}} because there is a fair amount of edit history to that talk page. The fact that it had recently been used for advertising does not mean that we should get rid of all the past comments on that page. --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] [[User talk:Metropolitan90|(talk)]] 00:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Thanks ==

No problem. I've been following that guy and I think a few sockpuppets around for a while now. And it also it draws fire away from you... ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThingg&diff=218631304&oldid=218620122 GET DOWN MR. PRESIDENT!!]'' :) <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 14:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Reversion of block notice ==

Thanks for you note. The current consensus is that editors (including IPs) may remove warnings and notices from their talk pages. It can be a bit of a pain, as it makes more work in determining what warnings they have previously received. However, removing the warnings and notices does at least provide definitive proof that they actually saw them and were on notice. So, if all the editor or IP does is remove the notices, then I don't suggest reverting or protecting the page. If they vandalize the warnings or add attack comments etc, then that's different.--<span style="font-family: Palatino Linotype">[[User:Kubigula|Kubigula]] ''([[User talk:Kubigula|talk]])''</span> 15:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Oh dear! ==

No gold watch I'm afraid, but all the best & thanks for all your contributions & the tireless night-watchman work on vandals. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 22:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

::You are simply irreplaceable. The best, one of the most knowledgeable and certainly one of the nicest editors we have, - it's Friday the 13th, not a good day for decision making. Take a break, we'll miss you....[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 23:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My thanks to both of you wonderful contributors. I don't know how long I will be able to stay in retirement, but the addiction to editing had become too strong, and I had long since stopped contributing to articles in favor of patrolling for vandalism. So a dramatic break needs to be attempted. Probably now my time is better spent focusing on writing for publication, not to mention painting and teaching. I hope you, and other contributors whose communications I have enjoyed, will feel free to keep in touch, and even correspond off-Wiki if you so desire. Very best wishes and cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 17:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

:I quite understand! Thanks for all you've done. All the best with your endeavours, and pop in whenever you feel like it. '''''[[User:Tyrenius|<font color="#880088">Ty</font>]]''''' 23:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

== Re:Thank you ==

You are most welcome!! [[User:LeaveSleaves|LeaveSleaves]] ([[User talk:LeaveSleaves|talk]]) 03:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for reverting my talk page. =) -- [[User:Gogo Dodo|Gogo Dodo]] ([[User talk:Gogo Dodo|talk]]) 04:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:And thanks for doing the same on mine. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 05:08, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::And too the other pages they hit as well. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 05:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:::In mine too :) [[User:Caiaffa|Caiaffa]] ([[User talk:Caiaffa|talk]]) 21:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== Re: help ==

{{done|banhammer swung indiscriminately :-) [[User:J.delanoy|<font color="green">J'''.'''delanoy</font>]][[User Talk:J.delanoy|<sup><font color="red">gabs</font></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/J.delanoy|<font color="blue"><sub>adds</sub></font>]] 05:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)}}

==Hi JNW!==

Glad you're around!

I'm having a great time with my art course, but it doesn't leave much time to write.
The Biennale is on in Sydney, and I'm going up tomorrow with a party from the Institute.

Well, I'm having a bit of a blitz on [[Bouguereau]]. Now, ''there'' is an artist the true nature of whose work is often missed completely. His "little girl" paintings are every bit as erotic as [[Graham Ovenden]]'s, but just not quite as obvious to the modern viewers who seem to miss the symbolism entirely. I've written some on the discussion page, but will delete it I suppose, as it can't go into the article unsourced. What I need is a good book on erotic symbolism in French painting. The picture of a little girl with a cowrie shell (probably his own daughter, since she isn't a peasant) is an absolute doozy. It's in the article. Well-meaning people go "Oh isn't that pretty! He painted anngels, cupids and ''lots'' of little girls! How nice!" Then they buy cards and calendars and put his pictures up on Christian and Spiritual websites. In my opinion, some French farmer would have done well to get at him with a pruning hook, and nail the trophy to wall of the barn with the rat tails and the rabbit skins.

Cheers! [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 07:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

:Is your column on the web, or on real paper? I'd love to read what you are writing. Your articles have great insight..... like your wonderful portraits. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 07:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 08:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

==Boy, oh Boy!==
I thought I'd got it to a state of equilibrium, and all of a sudden it's broken out again. Check out the [[Model (art)]] page, if you have time. I've just fiddled with the pics. This person is also making changes to Cellini, as well as Byron. Hope that your workshop went well! It has been unusually cold, but we had a glorious blue and gold day for our trip to Sydney, and our chug up the harbour on an old wooden ferry boat. [[User:Amandajm|Amandajm]] ([[User talk:Amandajm|talk]]) 04:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm going to be busy over the next few days, but I will take a look. My broad response on the Leonardo is that some of the deleted stuff can stay, some can go, some would profit from more cites. Good work on the model article--much as I like pictures of pretty girls, the Eakins photo and the figure drawing carry more historical weight. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 04:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Rock music WikiProject ==

I'd like to invite you to join the newly-formed [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Rock music|Rock music WikiProject]]. There's alot of Rock-related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help us get this project off the ground and a few Rock music pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks! --[[User:Be Black Hole Sun|Be Black Hole Sun]] ([[User talk:Be Black Hole Sun|talk]]) 12:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks for the invitation, BBHS. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 15:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

==J&B Distilleries==
Hey JNW. Regarding J&B Distilleries, you can add the url of the infringed page to the tag itself, like this <nowiki>{{db-copyvio|url=http://www.example .com}}</nowiki>. Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 05:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you, Fuhgett. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 15:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

== SPAM: Content fork about to be spooned ==

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I've stated at [[Talk:Leonardo_da_Vinci%27s_personal_life#Merge|LDV's personal life talk]] that I'm going to redirect and merge back into the parent article as it is a clear [[Wikipedia:Content forking|content fork]]. I'll be leaving this notice for all recent editors to the article and its talk page. <br/><font color="black">[[User talk:Aaron Brenneman|brenneman]]</font> 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for the notice. Much appreciated, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 16:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

==Ping==
Long overdue mail sent. [[User:Ceoil|<font color="green">Ceoil</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ceoil|<font color="E45E05">sláinte</font>]]</sup> 21:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you! ==

:) [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] ([[User talk:NawlinWiki|talk]]) 23:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

== I'll get the hang of this! ==

I keep starting and stopping here. I think I just need to plug along, keep contributing where appropriate and listen to mentors like you. I guess I misread. I thought that part of the goal was attribution, and I was so excited to find a new site that no one had already created that I probably moved too fast. I'll work on it some more and keep reading. Thanks again! [[User:Joubertvravos|Joubertvravos]] ([[User talk:Joubertvravos|talk]]) 18:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks for watching my user page ==

Just thought I'd drop a like to say thank you for reverting the attacks by that pesky user who was vandalizing my page. Your vigilance was appreciated. :) [[User:Unforgiven24|Unforgiven24]] ([[User talk:Unforgiven24|talk]]) 14:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

== Hey! ==

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[[User:Byeitical|Byeitical]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Byeitical|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Byeitical|contribs]]) has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small>
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== Tweety21 ==

The IP was probably {{user|Tweety21}}, now blocked for a while. When reporting to AIV, try to use the correct format so the maintenance bot recognizes it and behaves appropriately: I think you gave it Too Much Information. '''<font face="Arial">[[User:Acroterion|<font color="black">Acroterion</font>]] <sub><small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<font color="gray">(talk)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 17:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== re [[User talk:Antonymeola]] and AIV ==

Thanks for your response at AIV. After salting the bio and commenting at AIV I explained my actions to the editor above. When I read your reply at AIV I removed the report also. ''If'' you catch the editor trying to get the article recreated under a new name (like capitalising the M in meola) and thus disregarding my advice then take it straight to AIV (or me, if you notice me around) and this time there should be a block to emphasise the point. Cheers. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 23:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
:Nay problemo. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 23:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

== db-notability ==

You are tagging articles on albums and films which clearly fail to meet notability requirements, but not using a valid reason for deletion. Specifically, see [[WP:CSD#Non-criteria]]; unfortunately PROD or AfD are generally the only tools at our disposal for these. [[User:Ros0709|Ros0709]] ([[User talk:Ros0709|talk]]) 19:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:I did believe that these tags were within the guideline as suggested at [[WP:CSD#Non-criteria]]: ''Notability. Articles that seem to have obviously non-notable subjects are only eligible for speedy deletion if the article does not assert the importance or significance of its subject''. Where no such significance has been asserted, it follows that the articles would be appropriate for speedy deletion consideration. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 19:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:: I believe you have to read that with the next point: "Failure to assert importance but not an A7 category. There is no consensus to speedily delete articles of types not specifically listed in A7 under that criterion" - ie, the point you cited only applies to those articles in an A7 category, and recordings (albums and films) are not. For [[The Music In Me (Zachary Theriault EP)]] I reckon db-spam applies becuase it is self-promotion (and if the author keeps removing the CSD tags he'll be banned soon). [[User:Ros0709|Ros0709]] ([[User talk:Ros0709|talk]]) 19:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Alas. This contributor will refrain from placing speedy delete templates on descriptions of forthcoming albums by precocious youngsters. Thank you for taking notice of this, and for the follow-up. Much appreciated, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 20:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

==9/6/08==
[[Wikipedia:Welcoming users|Welcome]] to Wikipedia. Please do not revert any talks on talk pages, as you did with [[Talk:Marc Chagall]].

[[User:MHLU|MHLU]] ([[User talk:MHLU|talk]]) 14:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:The content of that which was reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Marc_Chagall&diff=prev&oldid=236656501] did not correspond with talk page guidelines, and was connected to vandalism of the article. Please use caution when giving warnings. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 14:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:Sorry. [[User:MHLU|MHLU]] ([[User talk:MHLU|talk]]) 03:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

::It's okay. We are all trying to do good work. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 04:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thats so Raven ==

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}} ... we had an edit conflict on {{la|Thats so Raven}} ... I replaced your {{tl|Db-test}} with a REDIRECT to {{la|That's So Raven}}, which IMHO is a more appropriate response ... Happy Editing! &mdash; '''{{#if:72.75.98.105|{{User|72.75.98.105}}|[[Special:Contributions/72.75.98.105|72.75.98.105]] ([[User talk:72.75.98.105|talk]])}}''' <sub>20:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)</sub>
:Quite alright; thanks for the explanation. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 21:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rush ==

Oh crud...I think this ''is'' a hoax. Not being a Rush fan myself, I only checked the Rush article and template to see if the album was listed. The user that created the article already edited both of those to reflect that it is an actual album. The article was getting barraged with vandalism when I was trying to do a fast check. Good catch and I apologize for not checking further. I went ahead and reverted back to your original version. [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] ([[User talk:Pinkadelica|talk]]) 04:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

==Talk:Dogopoly==
No problem. I wan't even sure if the thing was real. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 04:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:And no doubt they will all need to comment at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dogopoly]]. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 04:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well if I didn't want to AGF I would say that there is only one or two of them. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 05:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:::What on a Sunday night before school. Oh yeah I did that. Ah a trip down memory lane. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Have a gorilla]] 05:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

==[[Somers Town, London]] edits by IP 77.101.173.160==
I just reversed 11 edits by this IP all biased, NPOV violation and unsourced. I noticed that you also commented on the IP's user page, and just wanted you to know that I reverted to the last clean edit I found, which was 11 edits.--<small><span style="background-color: darkblue; color: white">[[User:JavierMC|<font color="white">'''«JavierMC»'''</font>]]</span></small>|<small>[[User talk:JavierMC|<span style="color: black;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</small> 04:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== thanks! ==

Thanks for helping keep my talk page nice and vandal-free. :D [[User:Miquonranger03|miquonranger03]] ([[User talk:Miquonranger03|talk]]) 04:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== So Was It Worth The Price That He Paid? ==

The more I searched, the more non-notable the book seemed to be! It's at AFD [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/So Was It Worth The Price That He Paid?|here]]. [[User:Somno|Somno]] ([[User talk:Somno|talk]]) 02:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
==Masaccio==
Thanks for that...for a minute there I was thinking maybe b-t monkey, was his nickname or something...you never know..[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 01:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Emil Steiner]] ==

What's going on here? The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emil_Steiner&action=history history] is all edit warring and vandalism. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Enviroboy|Enviroboy]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Enviroboy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[special:contributions/Enviroboy|Cs]]</sub> 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

==Re: warning==
Hi. regarding your message to me, I suggest you talk to [[User:PhilKnight]]. Militant [[Khalistan]]i trolls have been doing their business in the talk page for some time now, posting [[holocaust denial]] websites, [[anti-Hindu]] and [[Indophobic]] [[hate speech]], and incitement to violence and [[genocide]] against [[Hindu]]s. None of these are pertinent to the article and other users have removed troll posts from the article talk page before. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Goingoveredge|Goingoveredge]] ([[User talk:Goingoveredge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Goingoveredge|contribs]]) 03:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Thank you. I have asked for administrative assistance here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=239723521]. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 03:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello JNW its me the girl editing Ammons article, I am an ammons alumni and my aunt teaches there she and I both know what it is really like, it is the majority and it is a fact over opinion sir. Im sorry if you thought i was a vandal, but I just want parents to know what it is like, because in Miami if u said went to ammons they thought u were cool and smart, now they think your a loner <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.74.4.235|75.74.4.235]] ([[User talk:75.74.4.235|talk]]) 21:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

can i leave the turkey bowl stuff its true <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.74.4.235|75.74.4.235]] ([[User talk:75.74.4.235|talk]]) 21:27, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


==Re: warning==
Um -- How is it spamming to add a category to a page with citations? I was linking to wiki? You are being unfair. I wish you would take a breath and actually read the post. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.72.127.20|74.72.127.20]] ([[User talk:74.72.127.20|talk]]) 15:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This is not news, as you have been trying to include this link for some time, and are always reverted. It is clear that the article is not for promoting a specific musical act, which, as noted by a previous editor, does not have an article in Wikipedia. If you have not done so already, please read [[WP:N]] and [[WP:spam]]. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 16:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Modern tonalists and "en plein air" painters ==

Maybe a good approach would be to add a new section for "Later Tonalist Painters" or "Other More Recent Tonalist Painters" (ditto for Plein Air painters). I don't believe an artistic style ends with an era. There are rock music acts from the 60s, and rock music acts from this year. What do you think? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Msft watch|Msft watch]] ([[User talk:Msft watch|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Msft watch|contribs]]) 05:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I really have to knock off for the day, but I'll try a brief reply now: I agree re: the permanence of good painting, regardless of style, but not for the Tonalism article--its reach as a movement really is circumscribed by the dates of the introduction to the article. A think a 'later' section would look tacked on, and raise questions of promotional motives. There are many good and successful plein air painters today, but I think one would be compelled to stick with the most famous and successful ones, like [[Rackstraw Downes]] or [[Antonio Lopez Garcia]]-- they don't conform to the American template of rapid outdoor painting, but they are acknowledged modern masters who paint outside from life. That's what I mean by notability, artists with museum shows and major monographs. Finally, though I know something about this, mine ain't the final word, so it might be interesting to have a few other art contributors weigh in. Probably best for us to talk on the Tonalism discussion page. Thanks for dropping a line. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 05:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== Image captions ==
== Effects ==
These cycles often involve rapid and out-of-control eating, which may stop when the bulimic is interrupted by another person or the stomach hurts from overextension, followed by self-induced vomiting or other forms of purging. This cycle may be repeated several times a week or, in more serious cases, several times a day<ref>{{citation|title = Let's Talk Facts About: Eating Disorders|isbn = 0-89042-352-0 |year = 1999|publisher = [[American Psychiatric Association]]}} (pamphlet)</ref>, and may directly cause:
* Chronic [[gastric reflux]] after eating.
* [[Dehydration]] and [[hypokalemia]] caused by frequent vomiting.
* Electrolyte imbalance, which can lead to [[cardiac arrhythmia]], [[cardiac arrest]], and even death
* [[Esophagitis]]
* Oral [[trauma]], in which repetitive insertion of fingers or other objects causes [[laceration]]s to the lining of the mouth or throat.
* [[Pancreatitis]]<ref>[http://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/p.asp?WebPage_ID=286&Profile_ID=41143/ Health Consequences of Eating Disorders], Copyright 2006 by the National Eating Disorders Association, neda.org</ref>
* [[Peptic ulcers]]
* [[Perimolysis]], or the erosion of tooth enamel by [[gastric acid]]s.
* Swollen [[salivary gland]]s.<ref name="mcgilley">{{citation|url = http://www.aafp.org/afp/980600ap/mcgilley.html|title = Assessment and Treatment of Bulimia Nervosa|first1 = Beth M|last1 = McGilley|first2 = Tamara L|last2 = Pryor|date = June 1998|journal = [[American Academy of Family Physicians]]}}</ref>
* Tearing or rupture of the [[esophagus]] caused by repeated forced vomiting.


== Causes ==
The image captions on your talk page are fantastic. You just made my evening. [[User:Yngvarr|Yngvarr]] [[User talk:Yngvarr|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Yngvarr|(c)]] 22:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Bulimia is related to deep psychological issues and feelings of lack of control. Sufferers often use the destructive eating pattern to feel in control over their lives.<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/mental_health/disorders_eating.shtml BBC - Health - Conditions - Eating disorders<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> They may hide or hoard food and overeat when stressed or upset. They may feel a loss of control during a binge, and consume great quantities of food (over 20,000 calories).<ref>[http://www.at-risk.org/bulimia.html Bulimia<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> After a length of time, the sufferer of bulimia will find that they no longer have control over their binging and purging. The binging becomes an addiction that seems impossible to break. Recovery is very hard and often in the early stages of recovery the patient will gain weight as they rehydrate and obtain electrolytes that they have lost during the purging process.
There are higher rates of eating disorders in groups involved in activities that emphasize thinness and body type, such as [[gymnastics]], modeling, dance, [[cheerleading]], running, acting, rowing(lightweights/coxwains) and [[figure skating]].<ref>[http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/uvahealth/adult_mentalhealth/edbulim.cfm Bulimia Nervosa<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> Bulimia is more prevalent among [[Caucasian race|Caucasian]]s. In one study, diagnosis of bulimia was correlated with high [[testosterone]] and low [[estrogen]] levels, and normalizing these levels with [[combined oral contraceptive pill]]s reduced cravings for fat and sugar.<ref>[http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=22684&l=en&newsdep=130 Bulimia May Result from Hormonal Imbalance - Startpage - ki.se<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>


== Dan Debicella ==
== Related disorders ==
Bulimics are much more likely than non-bulimics to have an [[affective spectrum|affective disorder]], such as [[clinical depression|depression]] or [[general anxiety disorder]]: a [[1985]] [[Columbia University]] study on female bulimics at [[New York State Psychiatric Institute]] found 70% had suffered depression some time in their lives (as opposed to 25.8% for adult females in a control sample from the general population), rising to 88% for all affective disorders combined.<ref>{{citation|last1 = Walsh|first1 = B T|last2 = Roose|first2 = S P|last3 = Glassman|first3 = A H|last4 = Gladis|first4 = M|last5 = Sadik|first5 = C|title = Bulimia and depression|journal = Psychosomatic Medicine|volume = 47|number = 2|pages = 123–131|year = 1985|url = http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/reprint/47/2/123.pdf}}</ref> Another study by the [[Royal Children's Hospital]] in [[Melbourne]] on a [[cohort (statistics)|cohort]] of 2000 adolescents similarly found that those meeting at least two of the [[Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders|DSM-IV]] criteria for bulimia nervosa or anorexia nervosa had a sixfold increase in risk of anxiety and a doubling of risk for substance dependency.<ref>{{citation|title = Anorexia a pointer to later depression|url = theage.com.au/news/national/anorexia-a-pointer-to-later-depression/2008/04/27/1209234656201.html|publisher = [[The Age]]|date = 2008-04-28|accessdate = 2004-04-28|first = Jill|last = Stark}}</ref>


==Treatment==
I DO NOT understand why you keep reverting my edits to the Dan Debicella article, and now you're threatening to ban me?? In case you didn't notice someone, as I already said, the ENTIRE ARTICLE was copied & pasted from the subject's own website. It was not neutral POV at all. And yet it keeps getting reverted back to that version. Please warn that person to stop censoring opposing views and remind them that vanity pages are against Wikipedia policy. I don't understand why I'm being made out to be the bad guy here for trying to balance a very biased article. [[Special:Contributions/69.177.150.62|69.177.150.62]] ([[User talk:69.177.150.62|talk]]) 22:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
There is no approved or generally accepted treatment for bulimia. Generally treatment is predicated on a real or hypothetical relationship to other disorders, Some researchers have hypothesized a relationship to mood disorders. In consequence, clinical trials have been conducted with tricyclic antidepressants, MAO inhibitors, mianserin, fluoxetine, lithium carbonate, trazodone, nomifensine, trazodone and bupropion. <ref> Hsu, LKG. </ref> Research groups who have seen a relationship to seizure disorders have attempted treatment with, phenytoin,carbamazepine and valproic acid. A third group has viewed bulimia as an addiction disorder, The opiate antagonist naloxone and naltrexone which also block cravings for gambling have been used.<ref> JE Mitchell,G Christensen, J Jennings, M Huber, B Thomas. A placebo-controlled , double-blind crossover study of naltrexone in outpatients with normal weight bulimia Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, 9:94-97, 1989. </ref> There has also been limited use of Topamax which blocks cravings for opiates, cocaine, alcohol and food.,<ref> AJ Giannini, AE Slaby. The Eating Disorders. NY, Springer-Verlag, 1993. </ref> Some researchers also report positive outcomes when bulimics are treated in an addiction-disorders inpatient unit. <ref> AJ Giannini, MJ Keller, GL Colapietro, SM Melemis, N Leskovac, T Timcisko. Comparison of alternative treatment techniques in bulimia: The chemical dependency approach. Psychological Reports. 82:451-456,1998. </ref>. None of these approaches has been consistently efficacious.
:I am not trying to ban you, nor did I once revert your edits. I tried to communicate with you on the article talk page, and explained what I believe to be an even-handed rationale--it was clear that you and another contributor were only going to continue, and probably accelerate, the reversions of content. I left a '3 reversions' warning for you and the other editor, which was appropriate. I also left a note on the Administrators' incidents page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=241379282] pertaining to the situation. There is no 'bad guy', but there are several contributors pushing, and each believes they are right. Without discussion, that seldom leads to a productive ending. I do not think the article has reached its eventual form, but that form will not be shaped by edit warring. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 01:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::Hi, just saw the notice on AN/I, I am of a different opinion as to it being a simple edit war, and commented as such on the [[WP:ANI#Dan Debicella]]. Also cleaned up the article and added refs. [[User:Equendil|Equendil]] <small>[[User talk:Equendil|''Talk'']]</small> 08:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::By the way, you might want to consider [[WP:ARCHIVE|archiving]] old stuff on your talk page, it's quite a long page :) [[User:Equendil|Equendil]] <small>[[User talk:Equendil|''Talk'']]</small> 08:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you, Equendil, for your research into this, which is greatly appreciated. The promotional content was not acceptable, but I was ambivalent about substituting it with content, even if well-sourced, that also has the potential to be seen as partisan. That's why I stated on the article's talk page that news sources would be preferable to assessments by action groups (even though they are organizations with which I may be sympathetic). The concern is that such information can be [[Cherry picking|cherry-picked]] to suit any editor's agenda. And yes, I really do need to archive this page, or call in [[Maxwell Perkins]]. Now to return to wiki-break. Cheers, [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 16:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


== "Swami Rama" ==
== See also ==
* [[Anorexia nervosa]]
* [[Anorexia mirabilis]]
* [[Body dysmorphic disorder]]
* [[Body image]]
* [[Calorie restriction]]
* [[Defensive vomiting]]
* [[Eating disorder not otherwise specified]]
* [[Fasting girls]] for a historical perspective on anorexia nervosa
* [[Female body shape]]
* [[Malnutrition]]
* [[Muscle dysmorphia]] ('reverse' anorexia nervosa)
* [[National Association of Anorexia Nervosa and Associated Disorders]]
* [[Orthorexia nervosa]]
* [[Pro-ana]]
* [[Purging disorder]]
* [[Refeeding syndrome]]


== Informational links ==
Hello JNW. I don't recall discussing anything with you yet, but I believe that you would be able to make a fair judgement on [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATroy_07&diff=242019901&oldid=241666886 this]. {{user|Venus Copernicus}} is, of course, quite involved in the situation and I'm sure that someone definitely has to tell him/her something. I've already tried, and to be quite honest, I haven't acquainted myself with the issue enough to respond to that last comment (page protection was my initial thought, but Venus Copernicus appears to have added unreferenced information himself, so I wouldn't assume that relying on him alone would be fair). [[User:Troy 07|~ Troy]] ([[User talk:Troy 07|talk]]) 23:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
* [http://eatingdisorders.ucla.edu/ UCLA Eating Disorders Program]
:([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Troy_07&diff=242112026&oldid=242019901 response]) I guess cleaning up the article should be in order, once the edit war is over. Thanks for doing the right thing :) Regards, [[User:Troy 07|~ Troy]] ([[User talk:Troy 07|talk]]) 23:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's back in business again. I issued a final warning, and have taken it to the Administrators' noticeboard [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=242113237]. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 23:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Nice work. Should be sufficient enough, but I'll wait and see in the mean time. [[User:Troy 07|~ Troy]] ([[User talk:Troy 07|talk]]) 23:46, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


== References ==
Just a note: the unreferenced stuff I (regrettably) added was from HIS earlier edits that I reverted and he kept re-adding. My intention was to at least add SOME of the stuff in as NPOV way as possible (to be amicable and compromising), even though I agree it didn't belong at all. This was a temporary measure to stop him from turning the article into a personal essay. It didn't work; I'm glad someone gave him the appropriate warnings, as he wouldn't listen to a damn thing I said about objectivity and WP standards. THANK YOU for fixing the article and keeping on top of this, and I didn't expect anyone to take my word for it, just enforce some sanity. Which you did.
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{{Mental and behavioural disorders}}
BTW, I'm tired of this article, which I almost randomly chose a while back to watch and learn cleaning up NPOV and stop regular blanking that I saw going on. If someone could take over watching it so I don't feel I have to anymore, that would be Wiki-riffic. Please let me know. [[User:Venus Copernicus|Venus Copernicus]] ([[User talk:Venus Copernicus|talk]]) 20:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Eating disorders]]
:You're welcome. I think there will be more attention paid now. [[User:JNW|JNW]] ([[User talk:JNW#top|talk]]) 22:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Culture-specific syndromes]]


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[[zh:神經性暴食症]]
It seems that Antandrus has already beaten me to protecting the talk page. If after his block he resumes vandalizing articles, he'll be thrown back into the slammer. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' 03:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:Just a tip, you might want to archive your talk page for the benefit of people with chugging Internet. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' 03:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
==Congratulations==
I don't know if you are keeping track but you broke 20k edits recently. That's a lotta good work...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 20:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Bulimia nervosa
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Bulimia nervosa is an eating disorder characterized by recurrent binge eating, followed by compensatory behaviors, referred to as "purging".[1] The most common form—practiced more than 75% of people with bulimia nervosa—is self-induced vomiting; fasting, the use of laxatives, enemas, diuretics, and overexercising are also common.[2]

The word bulimia derives from the Latin (būlīmia) from the Greek βουλῑμια (boulīmia; ravenous hunger), a compound of βους (bous), ox + λῑμος (līmos), hunger.[3]

Diagnosis

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV TR) published by the American Psychological Association, the criteria for diagnosing a patient with bulimia are:

  • Recurrent episodes of binge eating. An episode of binge eating is characterized by both of the following:
    • Eating, in a fixed period of time, an amount of food that is definitely larger than most people would eat under similar circumstances.
    • A lack of control over eating during the episode: a feeling that one cannot stop eating or control what or how much one is eating.
  • Recurrent inappropriate compensatory behavior to prevent weight gain, such as: self-induced vomiting; misuse of laxatives, diuretics, or other medications; fasting; excessive exercise.
  • Self-evaluation is unduly influenced by body shape and weight.
  • These symptoms occur at least twice a week on average and persist for at least 3 months.
  • The disturbance does not occur exclusively during episodes of Anorexia Nervosa.[4]

There are two sub-types of Bulimia Nervosa: purging and non-purging.

  • Purging Type: the patient uses self-induced vomiting (which may include use of emetics such as syrup of ipecac) and other ways to rapidly remove food from the body before it can be digested, such as laxatives, diuretics, and enemas.
  • Non-purging Type: occurring in approximately 6%-8% of cases, in which the patient uses excessive exercise or fasting after a binge to offset the caloric intake after eating. Purging-type bulimics may also exercise or fast, but as a secondary form of weight control.[4]

The onset of Bulimia Nervosa is often during adolesence (between 13 and 20 years of age), with many sufferers relapsing in adulthood into episodic binging and purging even after initially successful treatment and remission.[5]

Bulimia Nervosa can be difficult to detect, compared to Anorexia Nervosa , because bulimics tend to be of average or slightly above or below average weight. Many bulimics may also engage in significantly disordered eating and exercising patterns without meeting the full diagnostic criteria for Bulimia Nervosa.[6]

Prevalence

There is little data on the incidence of bulimia nervosa in-the-large, on general populations. Most studies conducted thus far have been on convenience samples from hospital patients, high school or university students. These have yielded a wide range of results: between 0% and 2.1% of males, and between 0.3% and 7.3% of females.[7] A more recent study indicates that 10% of adolescent girls and 3% of adolescent boys binge eat and purge at least once weekly. [8]

Country Year Sample size and type Incidence
USA 1996 1152 college students 0.2% male 1.3% female[9]
USA 1992 799 college students 0.4% male 5.1% female[10]
Norway 1995 19067 psychiatric patients 0.7% male 7.3% female[11]
Australia 1998 4200 high school students 0.3% combined[12]
Canada 1995 8116 (random sample) 0.1% male 1.1% female[13]
Japan 1995 2597 high school students 0.7% male 1.9% female[14]

Although bulimia is overwhelmingly a disease of young women, it can affect others. Former British Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott says he developed bulimia in his 60s [15].

Effects

These cycles often involve rapid and out-of-control eating, which may stop when the bulimic is interrupted by another person or the stomach hurts from overextension, followed by self-induced vomiting or other forms of purging. This cycle may be repeated several times a week or, in more serious cases, several times a day[16], and may directly cause:

Causes

Bulimia is related to deep psychological issues and feelings of lack of control. Sufferers often use the destructive eating pattern to feel in control over their lives.[19] They may hide or hoard food and overeat when stressed or upset. They may feel a loss of control during a binge, and consume great quantities of food (over 20,000 calories).[20] After a length of time, the sufferer of bulimia will find that they no longer have control over their binging and purging. The binging becomes an addiction that seems impossible to break. Recovery is very hard and often in the early stages of recovery the patient will gain weight as they rehydrate and obtain electrolytes that they have lost during the purging process. There are higher rates of eating disorders in groups involved in activities that emphasize thinness and body type, such as gymnastics, modeling, dance, cheerleading, running, acting, rowing(lightweights/coxwains) and figure skating.[21] Bulimia is more prevalent among Caucasians. In one study, diagnosis of bulimia was correlated with high testosterone and low estrogen levels, and normalizing these levels with combined oral contraceptive pills reduced cravings for fat and sugar.[22]

Related disorders

Bulimics are much more likely than non-bulimics to have an affective disorder, such as depression or general anxiety disorder: a 1985 Columbia University study on female bulimics at New York State Psychiatric Institute found 70% had suffered depression some time in their lives (as opposed to 25.8% for adult females in a control sample from the general population), rising to 88% for all affective disorders combined.[23] Another study by the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne on a cohort of 2000 adolescents similarly found that those meeting at least two of the DSM-IV criteria for bulimia nervosa or anorexia nervosa had a sixfold increase in risk of anxiety and a doubling of risk for substance dependency.[24]

Treatment

There is no approved or generally accepted treatment for bulimia. Generally treatment is predicated on a real or hypothetical relationship to other disorders, Some researchers have hypothesized a relationship to mood disorders. In consequence, clinical trials have been conducted with tricyclic antidepressants, MAO inhibitors, mianserin, fluoxetine, lithium carbonate, trazodone, nomifensine, trazodone and bupropion. [25] Research groups who have seen a relationship to seizure disorders have attempted treatment with, phenytoin,carbamazepine and valproic acid. A third group has viewed bulimia as an addiction disorder, The opiate antagonist naloxone and naltrexone which also block cravings for gambling have been used.[26] There has also been limited use of Topamax which blocks cravings for opiates, cocaine, alcohol and food.,[27] Some researchers also report positive outcomes when bulimics are treated in an addiction-disorders inpatient unit. [28]. None of these approaches has been consistently efficacious.

See also

Informational links

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