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==Do we want ALL Nobel Laureates at high importance==
[[Image:Space Marine Codex.jpg|thumb|300px|The 4th Edition Space Marine sourcebook ([[Codex (Warhammer 40,000)|codex]]) cover]]
Giving every Nobel Laureate high priority biases the high priority list in favor of 20th century scientists. Having one 'high priority' scientist per year seems to me to be way too many.


In the fictional [[Warhammer 40,000]] setting of [[Games Workshop]], the '''Space Marines''' are elite soldiers modified through gene therapy, surgical modifications, and hypnotic indoctrination to be super-humans capable of defeating alien forces that vastly outnumber them. Several variations exist, such as Chaos Space Marines and the Grey Knights.
== Main articles ==


Space Marines feature in the [[table-top game|table-top]] [[wargame]], its spin off games such as 'Epic' and 'Inquisitor', the [[computer game]]s including [[Dawn of War]] and the novels based on the setting produced by [[Black Library]].
How about [[Physics]], [[History of Physics]], and the main articles they link to? [[User:Gnixon|Gnixon]] ([[User talk:Gnixon|talk]]) 05:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


==Structure==
What 'bout 'em? IMO that's as important as it gets.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 05:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
In the Warhammer 40,000 table top game, each playable army is divided into troop types. For the Space Marines army, the troop types also have a corresponding background narrative that explains the Space Marine military structure. Rather than contemporary military formations such as regiments or battalions, the total Space Marine force is organized by "chapters". The background material states that there are just over 1,000 Space Marine Chapters, each with a nominal fighting strength of 1,000 Space Marines. Individual Chapters have their own identity, heritage, fighting style and practice of beliefs. Most of the Chapters follow the organisational regimes and tactics laid down in the ''Codex Astartes'', a [[treatise]] on the operations and procedures that should be followed by Space Marines, compiled at the time of the Second Founding by the Ultramarines' Primarch, Roboute Guilliman.<ref>It has variously been claimed that the Codex Astartes was composed by Roboute Guilliman, Leman Russ and Rogal Dorn. The contents have varied too: while most modern Space Marine imagery makes little use of [[camouflage]], this was originally held to be advised by the Codex Astartes (although ignored by many Chapters) and many contemporary Space Marines of the game's early years wore camouflaged armour.</ref>


A few of the Chapters have been described in detail, especially those that differ significantly from the norm ("non-Codex"). The remainder have been left undescribed and this allows a player to make up their own history and colour scheme for their army.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography#WikiProject_Biography_11_easy_steps_to_producing_at_least_a_B_article] may be useful, haven<t checked it.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 14:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


Each "Codex" Chapter is organised into ten Companies (one veteran company, four "battle" companies, 4 reserve companies, and 1 scout company) numbered one to ten. "Non Codex" Chapters do not adhere strictly to the structures laid down in the codex and may have more than 1,000 Marines.
==Greek philosophers==


The background material also gives each of the original chapters a founding member, known as the "Primarch". Primarchs were engineered [[superhuman]]s created by the Emperor to command his future Legions of Space Marines. Originally twenty in number (technically 21 due to the twin nature of Alpharius / Omegon) , they were said to have been created using the Emperor's own DNA. Their genetic material was also used to form the basis of the Legions they would command.
I've noticed that many greek philosophers articles are withing the scope of wiki physics. Often they had top or high importance, which I find completely ludicrous. I've demoted all of them to Mid importance, but I really fell that they are almost completely inconsequential. I suggest that we demoted them all to low importance, save those who actually made a ''real'' contribution to physics (aka not just some crazy guy who was considered a physicist at the time because he once ranted the universe). [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


All were created in genetic laboratories hidden on Luna (Earth's Moon), and were almost complete before they were scattered across the galaxy. The background narrative leaves the cause unanswered; the forces of [[Chaos (Warhammer)|Chaos]], the Emperor and the Primarchs themselves are claimed in varying tales to be responsible for snatching the infant Primarchs' incubation cradles from Earth and dispersing them through the [[Immaterium|Warp]].
:: You may catch some flack over this. I agree with you but there are a number of people who track science as progressing from the Greeks through the Romans through the Arabs to the late mideval Europeans. To them the Greeks started it all. There is little doubt about the large influence of the influx of mathematical thought preserved and extended by the Muslims to the mideval Europeans. I would keep them at mid for that reason. I think that evidence that renaissances in science had a lot more European roots including philosophers like Sir [[Francis Bacon]].
According to the novel ''[[False Gods]]'', The Emperor might have allowed the forces of Chaos to scatter the Primarchs across the Galaxy for purposes unknown. As the Great Crusade progressed, the Emperor was reunited with each Primarch as he established contact with the worlds on which the Primarchs had come to rest. Most had, in the intervening time, risen to positions of power or infamy as a result of their remarkable physiology and abilities. At least two had been subject to [[mutation]]; Sanguinius, who had angelic wings and was reported to be psychic; and Magnus, who had bright red skin and was widely known to have formidable psychic talent.


==History==
::(I also stumbled across [[Ibn_al-Haytham]] who appears to be very influential in optics and the scientific method from the glowing reviews on that page. Unfortunately, I am not in the position to judge. Somebody should though. He isn't even listed under physics!
===The Legions===
Twenty [[superhuman]] [[Primarch]]s were made of the [[Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40,000)|God-Emperor]]'s genetic material during the [[Great_Crusade#The_Great_Crusade_.28M30-M31.29|Great Crusade]]. All the Primarchs were recovered, but two are described to have had "tragic accidents". Each of the rediscovered Primarchs were appointed command of a Legion of superhuman soldiers made with their genetic code.


====Loyalists====
:: I see you have Archimedes as high. I would probably place him as top because of his capabilities as a scientist of his time and because of the interest that people place in him.
During the Horus Heresy, nine Legions remained loyal to the Emperor. After the defeat of Horus the Legions were separated into smaller "Chapters" of 1,000 Marines each. This was to prevent a single commander from having as much power as Warmaster Horus. The first Chapter of each of the old Legions retains the name of the founding Legion. All subsequent Chapters gain their own names and are referred to as Successor Chapters.


{| class="wikitable"
:: I am a little disappointed that [[Aristarchus]], [[Erastothenes]], and [[Ptolemy]] are not considered as physicists in addition to being astronomers. Should I add them?
|+ Loyal Legions
|-
! Name !! No. !! Primarch !! Primarch's World !! Current Base of Operation !! In-game description
|-
| Dark Angels
| I
| Lion El'Jonson
| Caliban (Destroyed)
| The Rock (asteroid base)
| The First Legion to be created by the Emperor. The Dark Angels are unique in that when the Horus Heresy occurred, they were the only Legion to be split down the middle, with half their forces siding with Horus, while the other half remained loyal to the Emperor. The Dark Angels and their successors refer to themselves as "The Unforgiven". Highly secretive, they hunt the "Fallen Angels" (the Dark Angels who sided with Chaos) as an attempt to redeem themselves of the taint upon their Legion's honor.
|-
| White Scars
| V
| Jaghatai Khan
| Mundus Planus
| Mundus Planus
| The White Scars have a [[Mongol]]ian-inspired culture and fast-attack combat doctrine. The Chapter makes extensive use of [[Blitzkrieg]]-like tactics, their strategies based chiefly on those of [[Genghis Khan]]. They are feared for their ability to storm the battlefield with lightning speed. They are almost never out-maneuvered on the battlefield.
|-
| Space Wolves
| VI
| Leman Russ
| Fenris
| Fenris (The Fang)
| The Space Wolves are fierce warriors with an organization that differs strongly to other Chapters. Though their loyalty is unquestioned, they are known for their fiercely anti-authority attitudes. The Space Wolves' culture and background is heavily influenced by the [[Viking]] civilization.
|-
| Imperial Fists
| VII
| Rogal Dorn
| Holy Terra
| Phalanx (space-borne fortress ship)
| The Imperial Fists were charged with defending Holy Terra itself during the [[Horus Heresy#The Siege of the Imperial Palace|Siege of the Emperor's Palace]], thus being one of the most honored armies of Man. As such they are masters of defense, but they also are relentless and rather stubborn attackers who would rather die than retreat.
|-
| Blood Angels
| IX
| Sanguinius
| Baal Secundus
| Baal Prime, Secundus
| The Blood Angels and their successor chapters have suffered from various gene-seed flaws. Most notably the "Red Thirst" and "Black Rage", referring to a constant drive to shed blood, and a state in which the drive completely controls them, respectively. When they succumb to the Black Rage, their pale skin and sharp canine teeth lend the Chapter a somewhat vampiric appearance. The Blood Angels excel at close combat and assault tactics.
|-
| Iron Hands
| X
| Ferrus Manus
| Medusa
| Medusa
| The Chapter's warriors display a high incidence of [[Cybernetics|cybernetic]] modifications to their bodies and all recruits have the left hand removed and replaced with a cybernetic replacement. During the Horus Heresy the Primarch of the Legion, Ferrus Mannus, was killed by his brother Primarch Fulgrim. The Iron Hands do not have a chapter master or Fortress Monastery (the constant tectonic activity of Medusa makes static structures impossible to maintain) like other chapters, but are instead ruled by a council made of the commanders of the ten companies, which themselves are independent and maintain their own massive land-crawler like mobile fortresses.
|-
| Ultramarines
| XIII
| Roboute Guilliman
| Macragge
| Macragge (Fortress of Hera)
| The Ultramarines are rigid adherents to the Codex Astartes as their Primarch created it to make sure his knowledge in warfare was preserved, and are the canonical Space Marine Chapter from whose genetic material most new Founding chapters are drawn, since their gene-seed still consists of all 19 implants.


In the earliest background, the Ultramarines were a Third, rather than First Founding Chapter, and were said to have been founded during the Horus Heresy. Upon its creation, "the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the traitor Legions now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honors erased'" (White Dwarf 97). This, however, seems to have been [[Retroactive continuity|retconned]] in later editions as the Ultramarines' back story extends to before the Horus Heresy.
:: Finally, I am not quite sure what to do with any of the biographies. Pick any particular subject and look up the history--I picked (Optics and Inertia). What you will find is a list of all kinds of people you never heard of, some in the middle age Europe and others in Islamic Arabia who were very influential but rarely mentioned in physics textbooks. Often these peoples main contribution was that they opposed a prevailing Greek thought which was holding back science. According to most textbooks, though, science seems to either begin with Galileo or begins with the Greeks dies for a little and is resurrected by Galileo. Is it more important for us to recognize the people who were actually the most influential or the people who as a part of physics lore are accounted as being the most influential? This is a physics work group after all. Maybe we should get out of the biography business altogether.
|-
| Salamanders
| XVI
| Vulkan
| Nocturne
| Prometheus (moon of Nocturne)
| Technically-adept warriors with a preference for short-ranged combat, the Salamanders favour heat-based weaponry and, visually, have an almost tribal appearance, with scarification being common among the Chapter's warriors, and typically their skin is as black as coal.
|-
| Raven Guard
| XIX
| Corax
| Deliverance (originally named Lycaeus)
| Deliverance (Ravenspire Tower)
| The Raven Guard specialize in hit-and-run assaults using [[Equipment of the Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)#Jump Pack|jump packs]] and extensive use of Scout Marines.
|}


====Traitor Legions====
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 06:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Of the Legions, nine sided with Horus and the forces of Chaos during the Horus Heresy. After their defeat they fled into the Eye of Terror, becoming the [[Chaos Space Marines]].


{| class="wikitable"
I'm not quite sure what to do with the biographies either. But I think that one thing that is clear: Greek philosophers' contributions to ''physics'' are pretty damned small (low importance at best), with perhaps some notable exceptions (mid importance, and very rarely high importance)). Rule of thumb IMO is that anything pre-scientific revolution is not very important to physics. I don't mind having them on the [[History of physics]] article, as they indeed have a part that should be mentionned, but as far as a Compendium of Physics would go, [[Thales]] and [[Aristotle]] don't deserve much more than footnotes.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 07:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
|+ Traitor Legions
:I don't agree with that. My understanding is that rediscovery of Greek science through its preservation by Islamic civilization was essential to the sparking of the scientific revolution. I'm no historian, but I doubt it's appropriate to minimize the importance of Aristotle and Ptolemy. [[User:Gnixon|Gnixon]] ([[User talk:Gnixon|talk]]) 04:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
|-
! Name !! No. !! Primarch !! Primarch's world !! Current base of operations !! In game description
|-
| Emperor's Children
| III
| Fulgrim
| Chemos (Unknown status, presumed destroyed)
| Eye of Terror
| Once the most loyal and steadfast defenders of humanity, the Emperor's Children now are hedonistic devotees of [[Slaanesh]], deriving pleasure from the most extreme actions and sensations. They are also renowned for sonic warfare.
|-
| Iron Warriors
| IV
| Perturabo
| Olympia (Destroyed)
| Medrengard (Eye of Terror)
| The Iron Warriors are siege and trench warfare specialists. They favor heavy weaponry and fortifications.
|-
| Night Lords
| VIII
| Konrad Curze/Night Haunter
| Nostramo (Destroyed)
| Eye of Terror
| The Night Lords specialize in raids and terror tactics, taking special interest in psychological warfare.
|-
| World Eaters
| XII
| Angron
| No Record (Presumed Destroyed By World Eaters During Heresy)
| Eye of Terror
| The World Eaters are the chosen ones of [[Khorne]] and favor close combat. The Legion has devolved into bloodthirsty fanatics with no organized command structure, with a common desire to spill blood and collect skulls for their God.
|-
| Death Guard
| XIV
| Mortarion
| Barbarus (Destroyed)
| Plague Planet (Eye of Terror)
| The Death Guard are plague-ridden devotees of [[Nurgle]] who are driven to spread plague and pestilence across the galaxy to please their god. They are amongst the most organized of the [[Chaos Space Marines]].
|-
| Thousand Sons
| XV
| Magnus the Red
| Prospero (Destroyed)
| Planet of the Sorcerers (Eye of Terror)
| The Thousand Sons are favored by [[Tzeentch]] and value knowledge, especially the arcane. The majority of the Legion have been rendered incorporeal by the Rubric of Ahriman and fight as walking suits of armor, led by the Legion's Sorcerers.
|-
| Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus / Black Legion
| XVI
| Horus
| Cthonia (Destroyed)
| Eye of Terror
| The Luna Wolves were renamed to '''Sons of Horus''' in honor of Warmaster Horus before the Horus Heresy erupted. After Horus’ death, [[Abaddon the Despoiler]] renamed them as the Black Legion, to remove the name of Horus after his defeat.
|-
| Word Bearers
| XVII
| Lorgar
| Colchis (Destroyed)
| Sicarus (Eye of Terror), Ghalmek (Maelstrom)
| The Word Bearers are strongly religious in mindset, worshiping all Chaos Gods as a pantheon; in fact, they are the only Traitor Legion to maintain the use of Chaplains (though the Word Bearers have renamed these twisted preachers "Dark Apostles" to indicate where their true faith lies). They are known for never retreating, even if facing certain destruction.
|-
| Alpha Legion
| XX
| Alpharius
| Unknown
| Unknown
| The Alpha Legion adopted the [[Lernaean Hydra|hydra]] as their motif. Subtlety and covert operations are this Legion's forté, using minimalistic but devastating force against their enemies. Their Primarch, Alpharius, has been thought to have been killed but recent canon revealed that he had an identical twin named Omegon who could serve as Primarch either in Alpharius's absence or in his stead, as the Alpha Legion was a very secretive chapter. They were described as being "one soul in two bodies" in an encounter with a Xenos (alien) presence. With that same presence, they were told that they had to side with Horus and ensure that Horus won for the Galaxy's sake-in the novel Legion, Alpharius says that "... So what I do ... from this moment on, I will do for the Emperor." after he has been told to side with Horus, hinting that even though his Legion turned, he remains loyal to the Emperor.
|}


===="Lost" Legions & Primarchs====
Hence their place in articles such as [[History of science]]. It's only because of physics that RNA-transcription is possible, yet you don't see RNA in the scope of WikiProject physics. Ptolemy is more important than the others because he had a solar model that was used for a long while, and was the rival of the Copernican model. I can't think of anything Aristotle did that has anything higher than "low" importance for physics. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
The narratives leave two additional unnamed and undescribed First Founding Legions, Legions II and XI. In some literature the missing Primarchs and their Legions are listed as being "Deleted from Imperial records".<ref>{{cite book|title=Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines|first=Andy|last=Chambers|year=1998|publisher=Games Workshop|location=Nottingham|id=ISBN 1-869893-28-X}}
</ref><ref>2nd edition ''Codex Imperialis''</ref> The only information Games Workshop has ever released that directly addresses them, can be found in [[False Gods]] and The Lightning Tower (Dan Abnett).


In the Black Library Horus Heresy novel series, Horus, in a chaos-induced dream sequence, apparently goes back in time and sees the cracked incubation capsule of Primarch XI before the Primarchs are scattered to the warp (the effect this has on the Primarch is inconclusive). Before doing this, he puts his hand on XI's capsule and feels "the untapped glories that might have lain ahead for what grew within, but knowing that they would never come to pass".
== Comparing apples to oranges ==


However, Games Workshop has explained the gameplay purpose for these "deleted" Legions: they are available to help those who wish to develop their own, custom Legions. The basic idea is since there were 20 Legions, and half went to Chaos but half stayed loyal, that these two lost Legions would represent the same for "do-it-yourself" forces.
There's a large extent to which ranking importance within physics can be done in logical, neutral way. That's what's going on here, and I'm glad it's happening. But there also comes a point when you're comparing very different types of articles: Articles about concepts in physics versus articles about physicists versus articles about the history and practice of physics. My request is: When choosing official "projects of the week", we should be sure to include a balance of different types of articles, even if that means not always following the rule of highest-priority-lowest-quality-first. For example, if we make all Nobel-prize-winning physicists high priority (which is fine, as far as I'm concerned), then there may well come a time when all the remaining high-priority stub articles are Nobel-prize-winning physicists, since there's so many of them. People like me who aren't interested in editing biographical articles will stop helping, if the "projects of the week" are all (or almost all) biographies.


===Later Foundings===
We don't necessarily need a strict quota system, but we should keep in mind that these priorities we're giving are a great starting point, but not the ''only'' thing to consider. A balance of article types is worthwhile too. :-) --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 16:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
In subsequent millennia, the Imperium has also created new Chapters of Space Marines. These minor chapters have appeared in various spin-offs produced by Games Workshop, as well as in works of fiction from The Black Library and the ''[[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War]]'' series.


The ''Cursed 21st Founding'' was when new chapters of Space Marines were created but with unfortunate side-effects. Many chapters had uncontrolled mutations, and entire chapters were lost or destroyed. One more commonly known chapter created during the founding were the ''Fire Hawks'', who were lost upon entering the [[Immaterium|Warp]] and are rumored to be the Legion of the Damned. One of the these chapters that appeared in the Third War for Armageddon were the Black Dragons.
Things should be varied enough, since I plan to tackle things alphabetically in the "highest importance of lowest quality", but yeah if it's too 1-topic centered, or too biography oriented I'll diversify. I'll also group similar topics as "1 entry" (example of that grouping would up, down, charm, strange, bottom, top, quark articles since relevant informations is likely to be at the same place, and that it'll be easier to harmonize them topics together). [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 20:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
==Is is ok just to delete the reference to the physics project==
I came across an article about a prominent UFO researcher whose only connection to physics was that he happened to be a physicist. In my mind article doesn't even deserve to be a low priority for physics. Then there is this site: [[buttered cat paradox]]. Ammusing, but not really about physics at all.


==Training==
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 06:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


The training of a Space Marine is described within game literature in great detail. A Space Marine is a vastly superior warrior when compared to a normal human. This is due to a series of biological enhancements, psychological conditioning, and heavy training. The end result of creating a Space Marine produces a soldier with abilities that are so superior to those of an average human that they are best described as [[superhuman]].
Damn right it is! I've deleted several myself. Not like anyone will miss [[Alexander Ross Clarke]] and [[(E)-stilbene]] :P. Tho I usually leave a mention to the effect of "irrelevant to physics" or something so people know why it was removed. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


Once the recruit passes a battery of tests and challenges set by the Chapter, and the initial gene-seed implants have taken hold on his body, he is accepted into the Chapter as a Neophyte. These Neophytes will be trained in the history of the Chapter and the edicts of the Codex Astartes, while the remaining implants and modifications are made to his body.
==Resorting importance list by category==
I am trying to sort out importance of articles using this template but it is hard at times because the criteria are split between importance categories. Would it be better to sort first by article type (Biography, theory, experiment, list, institution, equation, physical quantity... or some sort). For example we can do something like.
===Biography===
:* '''top:''' Person who...
:: Examples: [[Newton]]
:* '''high:''' Person who....
:: Examples:
:* '''mid:'''
:: Examples:


Once a Scout begins his training and genetic modification, he is no longer permitted contact with his home or family, sworn to serve the Emperor and the Chapter until his death. The Scouts form the Tenth Company of a Chapter. The creation of a Space Marine is a dangerous process, and it is accepted that many will die during their indoctrination.
===Experiment===
:* '''top:''' ground breaking...
:: Examples: [[Newton]]
:* '''high:''' ....
:: Examples:
:* '''mid:'''
:: Examples:


Once the Neophyte's/Scout's period of training is complete, the Neophyte will often be sent on a final challenge to prove his worth. Upon the completion of this challenge, the Neophyte will become a full member of the Chapter, and will be assigned to one of the eight Battle or Reserve companies (or Chapter equivalent).
I think it would make it easier for me to use.


The new "battle-brother" is presented with a boltgun and a suit of power armour, the maintenance of which is his responsibility. A newly promoted Marine is assigned to one off the chapters devastator squads as a bolter marine, to provide close support for the more battle hardened marines carrying the heavy weapons. As he gain experience and proves himself he will be allowed to carry the heavy guns himself. After exemplary service in a devastator squad a marine will be assigned to an assault squad, and from there he will be assigned to a Tactical Squad. This insures that the Tactical squads, which form the back bone off the chapter, can excel at any task.
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 21:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


==Veterans==
Go right ahead. It would probably a smarter way of doing things that what's done right now. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 21:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Space Marines that have had centuries of experience in battle, veterans usually remain with their Company, leading squads of their fellow Battle Brothers into the fray as Sergeants. However, the Marines that have most proven their worth to the Chapter are inducted into the elite First Company. it is quite common for tactical squads to be lead by a seconded veteran from the first company. On rare occasion, a less experienced Initiate will be honoured with a position in the First Company, in response to a distinguishing display of exceptional courage, tactical intelligence or prowess in battle.


As the powerful Tactical Dreadnought Armour (also known as Terminator Armour) is reserved for only the most distinguished Space Marines, heavily-armed Terminator Squads are typically comprised entirely of veteran characters.
I fixed it. Fixing it made it more obvious where we need to add stuff and where there are inconsistencies. Hopefully that will make it easier for others to fill in the blanks.


==Specialists==
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 04:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
{{Unreferencedsection|date=September 2008}}


At any point during their long careers, a Space Marine may be called upon to train in a specialist field, to better support the Chapter in both combat and non-combat roles. Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Librarians begin their training during the neophyte stage of their indoctrination for showing technical, medical or psychic skills, respectively. Certain members are also inducted into the Deathwatch, the military arm of the Ordo Xenos, should they possess a certain skill useful against the vile Xenos.
==Updating the Importance Table and fixing the wpbot and template:physics==


Marines who show an aptitude with technology are often selected to undergo the training to become a "Techmarine" (''Frater Astrotechnicus''<ref>''Land Raider'' by [[Rick Priestley]], White Dwarf 105)</ref>), honorary members of the [[Adeptus Mechanicus]] and priests of the Machine God.
* Headbomb, Do you update the importance table by hand by counting through the links generated above the table or is there a more sophisticated way of doing that? I would love to cherry pick all the unassessed (for importance) members of the Start class (or any other class) for instance.


After hundreds of years of service to the Chapter, elite Marines may be called upon to take up one of the leadership positions within the Chapter. These positions are Captain and Chapter Master. Occasionally a space marine captain may be required to take command of several companies and takes the temporary title of force commander.
By the way I called attention to your proposal to update the Physics Template by adding the editprotect template. I stumbled upon that. I hope it is the right thing to do. The wording was so vague.


==Space Marines in ''Warhammer 40,000'' fiction==
That won't help the bot sort the articles into the correct category, though. It seems to me that all this will do is allow the colors to change without helping the bot sort them. For instance using an class of Category changes the color property on the Template but does not help the bot sort. Using the term cat doesn't change the color but helps the bot find assess the article. Something similar happens to medium. For some reason the template recognizes an importance of Medium while the bot does not. This causes editors to think that they have assessed the article when in reality (from the bots point of view) they have not.
In the novels and stories published by the [[Black Library]] (Games Workshop's publishing division), the Space Marines are portrayed as being far more powerful than their tabletop equivalents. The reason behind this has been explained as to maintain game balance; all armies are on an equal enough footing that the skill, tactics and luck of the individual players have a greater effect on the results than any fictional stereotype. Even so, the Marines are one of the most balanced armies in terms of shooting ability compared to close combat ability, as they excel at both.


However, a set of rules was created in January 2005 by Pete Haines, published in ''[[White Dwarf (magazine)|White Dwarf]]'' 300 in the US and Australia (but missing from UK publications). Titled "The Movie Space Marine List", these rules strove to match the Space Marines portrayed in the fiction, resulting in 'armies' of ten or less Space Marines that were more than capable of taking on regular-sized armies from other Codexes. These rules were made completely unofficial, and players were warned to be careful when using them against opponents.
We need to fix both Template:Physics '''and''' the bot so that they agree with each other and to include list properly, if we are using it.


==5th edition and new codex==
I really want to clear the unassessed list. There is no excuse for so many unassessed articles. If someone can take the time to write an article then surely they can take the even less time it takes to assess another one.
Space Marines were confirmed to be getting a new codex first in the 5th edition of the Warhammer 40,000. This introduced new rules, and characters and models being released such as Scout Bikers, Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans, Drop Pods, the Land Raider Reedeemer and the Thunderfire Cannon.


Though Space Marines were the first to get a codex update after the release of 5th Edition, many codexes were released in anticipation for 5th Edition: Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, and Daemons.
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 16:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


==Appearances==
* Headbomb's changes to the Template:Physics have been implemented. I am not quite sure how that will affect the bot. [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 02:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Outside the WH40K game and ''Epic'', Space Marines have also featured in:


===Tabletop game===
==Current status of [[Template:Physics]]==
[[Image:3commandants.jpg|thumb|250px|Space Crusade Space Marines figures]]
{{tl|physics}}
*''Space Crusade''
We'll have to update the bot to handle all these (unless some are deemed unnecessary):<br>
*''Advanced Space Crusade''
FA, Fa, fa, FL, Fl, fl, A, a, GA, Ga, ga, B, b, Start, start, Stub, stub, Template, template, Temp, temp, Category, category, Cat, cat, List, list.
*''Space Hulk''
*''Talisman'' - through the Space expansion
*''Battlefleet Gothic'' - through the Armada expansion
*''Inquisitor''


===Computer games===
Right now there's a problem with
*''[[Space Crusade]]'' (1992) and its sequel
:* ''Temp'' and ''temp'' are not recognized by {{tl|physics}}.
*''[[Space Hulk (video game)|Space Hulk]]'' (1994) - Terminator armour marines
:* ''Template'', ''template'', ''Temp'', and ''temp'' are not recognized by the bot.
*''[[Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels]]'' (1996) - "sequel" to Space Hulk
:* ''Cat'', ''cat'' are partially recognized by {{tl|physics}}. "Category" does not appears on the banner, but are listed in "category-class" articles.
*''[[Final Liberation: Warhammer Epic 40,000]]'' (1997)
:* ''Category'' and ''category'', not recognized by {{tl|physics}}.
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate|Chaos Gate]]'' (1998)
:* ''Category'', ''category'', are not recognized by the bot.
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Rites of War|Rites of War]]'' (1999)
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Fire Warrior|Fire Warrior]]'' (2003)
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War|Dawn of War]]'' (2004), and its expansion packs, [[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War#Winter Assault|Winter Assault]]'' (2005), ''[[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War#Dark Crusade|Dark Crusade]]'' (2006) and ''[[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War#Soulstorm|Soulstorm]]'' (2008).
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Squad Command|Squad Command]]'' (2007)
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War 2]]'' (2009)
*''[[Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine]]'' (unknown)


==Footnotes==
[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 02:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
{{Unreferencedsection|date=March 2007}}


{{reflist}}
:* Good work Headbomb. Are you sure about the bot not recognizing Cat and cat, though? I appears to be working for me. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TStein|contribs]]) 04:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


==References==
::*My bad, they work.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 05:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


{{refbegin}}
==Template class articles==
* {{cite book|title=Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines|first=Andy|last=Chambers|year=1998|publisher=Games Workshop|location=Nottingham|id=ISBN 1-869893-28-X}}
* {{cite book|title=Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines|first=Pete|last=Haines|coauthors=and McNeill, Graham|year=2004|edition=4th Edition|publisher=Games Workshop|location=Nottingham|id=ISBN 1-84154-526-0}}
*Rick Priestley, ''Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader'', Games Workshop, Nottingham, 1987, ISBN 1-869893-23-9
{{refend}}
<small>Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rule book,Games Workshop, Nottingham 2008</small>


== See also ==
I've tagged all physics-related templates I could find (see [[:Category:Template-Class physics articles]], some of these are oooooooooold).[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 03:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


* [[Equipment of the Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)]]
== Simple rules versus common sense... ==
* [[Vehicles of the Space Marines (Warhammer 40,000)]]


{{Warhammer 40,000}}
There are bound to be tradeoffs between specifying rules that are simple and unambiguous and easy-to-follow on the one hand, and asking there to be some application of common sense on the other. Now, I'm not contributing to the assessment effort, so perhaps I have no right to complain. Nevertheless, if [[Davydov soliton]] is of "top importance within physics", or even "high importance", just because it's a "particle", then maybe you should consider that the guidelines shouldn't be regarded as hard-and-fast rules, but maybe there should be room for common sense. Or more willingness to modify the guidelines. But again, I have no right to complain :-) Best, --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 03:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


Primarch Studio
It's an old assessment. Things are better now than two weeks ago, even if the guidelines aren't tip-top. Stuff like this happens, but should be corrected over the next weeks. After all, this is the first time (that I'm aware of) someone tries to organize the importance ratings within WP Physics. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


[[Category:Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)]]
=== Something is better than nothing===
[[Category:Fictional genetically engineered characters]]
My feeling on the matter is that something, even if it leads to nonsense occasionally, is better than nothing. If you don't like [[Davydov soliton]] being rated top then change it. Or maybe better yet tweak our rules then change it. Where does [[Davydov soliton]] belong and why? Asking and answering questions like that will help us rate the articles better.
[[Category:Human-derived fictional species]]


[[de:Space Marine]]
A coworker of mine tells a story that applies here. (I am sure I am mutilating the story but the point is the same.) She and a friend needed to carry some heavy things up to her apartment but needed help. Asking for help didn't do too much. So she and her friend struggled, in an obvious manner to get the items up themselves. In moments there were plenty of strong men to help them out. That is how I feel about what we are doing here. Rating every article is too big of a task for a few people. I have made a lot of decisions here, some of which were done too quickly out of necessity. Some of which I have little knowledge about. But if I made an obvious mistake like [[Davydov soliton]] then it has a better chance of being fixed then if it had no rating at all.
[[fr:Space Marine (Warhammer 40,000)]]

[[it:Space Marine]]
In the case of [[Davydov soliton]] I looked briefly at it and was going to change it, but then saw that Headbomb was the one who set the priority. My thoughts on the matter was that it was alright to leave it at top priority '''for now'''. After all the ''top priority'' items are going to be reviewed again soon. And if it leads to a discussion about the ''rule'' that all quasiparticles should be treated equally then so much the better.
[[hu:Űrgárdisták]]

[[nl:Space Marines]]
[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 18:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
[[pl:Space Marines]]

[[ru:Космический Десант]]
: TStein pretty much summed up my feelings on this. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 20:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
[[fi:Space Marines]]

[[zh:太空陆战队 (战锤40000)]]
::Sounds good to me too. Again, sorry to snipe from the sidelines :-) --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 20:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Oh snipe-away. Last thing I want is a wikiproject where crazy rules are favoured over sane ones. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 21:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

== Launch pushed back to June 30th ==

There's too many things that needs to be tackled before this is launched, IMO.

* First reason is I want to test the Cheatsheet properly. There's only one way to test things properly, and that way is to use them to exposes the flaws and strength. If we could each pick 3 (or more, why not?) articles that we think needs to be improved, and use it to review the status of the article and what needs to be done, we could determine what part of the sheet is nigh useless, what is missing from it, and what could be better with the other stuff. It takes about 15 minutes to fill if you fix some things along the way, and about 5 if you don't.
:* Another reason is that we could make two or three cheatsheets, one for "biographies", one for articles and one for lists.

* Third reason is that I want to check if the top importance criteria are "sane". I think the best way to do this is if we each went through all top importance articles (without actually reassessing them for now), and note which articles we would rate differently (forget quality, and forget what's written right now, just go for what ''you'' feel is the correct importance rating). Keeping a text file with with categories "Reassess to high" "Reassess to mid" "Reassess to low" should help in doing this. This shouldn't take too long, as it's a matter of simply going over a list of about 300 articles.
:* We could keep our "rating" a secret at first, to not bias the judgement of others. If we do this, I say that 3 days is more than enough to give us the time to each build our lists. Or we could just say screw it, that's just too much trouble (which is where I'm leaning right now).

What say you? [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:19, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Overall I think it is a good idea. Although, I might not be the best person to respond since I am going on a 2 week trip starting tomorrow. I won't have any internet for the next two days and from there my internet connection will be fairly uncertain.

My advise is don't push it back too much more, though. Don't worry about everything being perfect before the launch. The details can be hammered out afterwards. Too many projects have grand plans and try too hard for perfection. The best projects are ones that start off with small attainable goals, launch quickly then expand from there. I would focus on testing for only a little while longer. Then pick that one goal that you really want to attain along with a few other sub goals. Finally advertise, advertise, advertise. Are personal invitations on web pages frowned upon for stuff like this?

At least that is my 2 cents, for what it is worth. I hope I can find some time to help. Because it sounds like fun.

[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 06:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I dunno exactly. It seems to be generally frowned upon when it's made to garner attention to a single article, but I have a hard time seeing how it would be frowned upon when a Wikiproject is asking its members for guidance on something like this. I don't plan to launch later than next week, but I think that we ought to at least try the tools we built on a small scale first. Enjoy your trip. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 11:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Importance (timelines) ==

I was surprised to see [[Timeline of thermodynamics, statistical mechanics, and random processes]] recently rated a "low priority" list.

Surely, as lists go, a historical survey of one of the most practical, subtle, and theoretically fundamental areas of physics should be anything but "low priority" ?

(And can we, like various other projects, please use ''priority'' rather than ''importance'' -- I'm very uncomfortable about writing any areas of physics off as unimportant. What is useful is to triage the articles by their priority to this project). [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 20:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Well "importance" confers a different meaning than "priority" (or "usefullness"). What's been done so far is identify what would be most important to have in an "encyclopedia of physics", while priority should be given to the higher importance article of lowest quality. I do agree that my assessment of this timeline as "low" is inadequate, and that it's at least of "mid" importantce. I'll let you make the change in importance ratings. I'll also invite you to browse [[:Category:List-Class physics articles]] to check if there are other timelines that got put in inadequate importance ratings. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 22:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Reviewing cheatsheet ==

Hi, I think the cheatsheet is much better chopped into sections. Having said this, maybe there are too many sections? E.g. update and verify could go into the problems section? I also think it would be useful to include a sentence to the blurb explaining what the cheatsheet actually is. For example:

{{Quote box
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WikiProject Physics' Reviewing Cheatsheet (14:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC) Version)]]<br>'''

The following cheatsheet highlights current editing issues in this article. Please feel free to browse the sections and make any necessary changes to the article. When issues have been resolved, please do not remove the elements, but rather strike them as they becomes useless or irrelevant (i.e write <nowiki> <s></nowiki>text to be struck<nowiki></s></nowiki>) to indicate that this element was verified and found to be alright.<br>If everything in one of the sections (i.e everything in one hidden-box) has been addressed, strike that particular hidden box's title.<br>To add the Reviewing Cheatsheet to an article's talk page, simply place '''<nowiki>{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week/Reviewing Cheatsheet}}</nowiki>''' immediately before the first section.<br>This cheetsheet can be used by '''anyone'''.<br>
| source =
| align = center
}}

[[User:Jdrewitt|Jdrewitt]] ([[User talk:Jdrewitt|talk]]) 09:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I've put a statement to that effect now. I tried to have as little section as possible, but I could only merge copy editing with cleanup, since there is also the need for topical sections, and the more sections are immediately visible, the more people will be reminded "Hey right, copyright's an issue, and so is categories". If you got suggestions for that, don't be shy. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 11:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:The new statement reads well. I think your right about the sections, they are separate issues. [[User:Jdrewitt|Jdrewitt]] ([[User talk:Jdrewitt|talk]]) 11:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:I am not quite sure I am that enamored of the cheatsheet. I like easy access to all the possible problem areas but there are just too many things to check many of which will need to be rechecked later. So far I only partially cheatsheeted one article, [[density]] and that took me quite a while. I worry a little that it won't be adequately used by the main editors, also. Then there is a problem of knowing which of the many categories are important for other reviewers to check. I placed an exclamation mark after the categories that I added something and a ? for things that I think others need to check. I don't know if that is visible enough or the right thing to do, though. Should we timestamp the individual categories that we check? [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 05:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I went over there and you seem to have made a good use of it in terms of assessing the status of the article. The Cheatsheet's purpose is two-fold IMO. First it supports editors in writing, by reminding them of what to check for. Second it allows editors to tell what has been done and what is left to be done. I usually edit the page as I fill the sheet, since it's usually easier to fix the problem than to detail it. As for time stamping individual sections, up to you. Let's not get caught up in details. The Cheetsheet is a tool, and its usage is up too individual. There's no "correct" or "wrong" way to use it. I'll probably work on article content tomorrow, as I've been busy on other projects this week.

Side note, I too think the Cheatsheet was better when it was all in one. You can skim everything with one click rather than having to click for individual categories. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 05:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

: I agree although I think we need to focus on making it as useful as possible. Can we use this as a checklist for an article to gain B status or higher for instance? If so then we should call it a 'checklist for B status' instead of cheat sheet. If we could do that it would give people a good reason to look at the template and use it. Plus I think we can make reviewed and fixed categories visually distinctive such as changing the color of the bar. A green bar means everything has been checked and been found good. Red means something has been found wrong. We can then use yellow for either partially checked and no problems or not checked at all. A quick glance will give people an idea of what needs to be checked and changed.

: (We have enough editors creating and editing pages it seems (at least from the number of pages we have). What we don't have is enough editors to do the grunt work of rating articles writing to dos and cleanup and focused editing of important pages. Anything that will help and encourage the former much larger category to do some of the latter work would do a lot more to help our work group than any one person could do I think. I think that this cheat sheet has potential to do that if we can make it a lot more user friendly and give it a more focused purpose.)

: I also think that we should encourage but not require timestamps for the long haul. A good protocol maintained on a separate page will go a long ways to helping people get the most out of the template (so that they don't have to think as much) as long as it isn't to picky or difficult to use. [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 05:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:: I like the Red -> Green idea. I'll change the cheatsheet accordingly. I'll respond to the rest later.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== What importance to give...? ==

* Journals: e.g. [[American Journal of Physics]].
* Popular scientific books written by physicists. e.g. [[A Different Universe]].
([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 08:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

Good question. For journals and books, it would be a case-by-case basic IMO, ranging from High to Low. For journals specific ratings would depending on how established the journal is and the impact it had within physics. I would probably give the [[Physical Review]]s a High rating, while I'd give [[Synthetic Metals]] and [[Journal of Molecular Modeling]] Low ratings. For books, it would depends on how well-known the book is and its impact. The Feynman Lectures and Stephen Hawking' A Brief History of Time are about as high as you could get (High ratings IMO), but textbooks would generally be of Low importance, perhaps Mid if there's something exceptional about the book. Individual papers might get Top importance ratings ([[Annus Mirabilis Papers]] would certainly get that), but for an encyclopedia I don't see journals and books to be of ''critical'' importance.

Anyway that's my opinion. Feel free to disagree and to voice yours. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 11:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:That was pretty much what I was thinking. Although, I think no paper would be top priority, even the landmark ones. High would be max IMO. ([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 14:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:: I agree about journals, although I am not quite sure what all needs to be said about them in an encyclopedia. I would rate [[American Journal of Physics]] as high along with all (or most of the ) the PR magazines and [[Science]] and [[Nature]]. The first I would rate high because of its utility to the University community the rest because they are the top-tier Journals for original research. <s>I also noticed that we do not have a [[list of physics journals]] that I can find</s>* (I monumentally despise the search feature of wikipedia). *Nevermind I finally found the [[list of scientific journals in physics]]. I still hate wikipedias search feature, though.

:: I think there are a handful of textbooks that would get high priority but no tops. Many of the textbooks that are so influential you can reference them by the author (for example Jackson or Goldstein) would qualify for high. The popular textbooks at just a lower level then the ones that are considered 'bibles' and or 'bibles' of more specialized fields would be marked as mid. Here I would include Griffiths (E&M and QM) for instance. I agree that the rest should be treated as low. I am not certain exactly what is important to say about these works in an encyclopedia, though. Eventually, it would be nice to spell out what.

:: I can't imagine any paper getting top priority.

::[[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::: Not even the [[Annus Mirabilis Papers]], or [[On Physical Lines of Force]] (currently uncreated) se ([http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/On_Physical_Lines_of_Force.pdf) [[A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field]]??

== What to do with redirected articles? ==
Going through the list of unassessed articles, I some times find articles that have been redirected. Should these still get an importance assessment, or should the physics banner just be removed? ([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 09:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

I've been removing the banners. Maybe someone could find a reason to leave them, but for now I don't see the point in having a tagged redirect. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 11:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The only reason to maybe leave them, is so that somebody later one removes the redirect as part of splitting up a lengthy article, the new article will already have a physics importance rating. This is only really important for top/high priority articles that currently redirect to some other topic. ([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 14:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:: I don't think that it is too onerous to ask whoever removes the redirect to also insert the importance rating. I agree with Headbomb. Removing the tags is best. [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 15:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

==Trouble with bot with cat and template classes again==
I was hoping to knock off a few more unassessed articles, but when I clicked on the link I noticed there were a lot of categories and templates in the unassessed articles again. Is there anyway to get this fixed? [[User:TStein|TStein]] ([[User talk:TStein|talk]]) 05:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:Not quite sure of what you mean... It is possible this is simply a delay between the update of the database. Apparently doing null edits solves this. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 05:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

:I checked the code and I forgot some equal signs. Thanks for pointing that out. Now to wait for the editprotected request to go through... [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 06:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

== Top importance phycisists ==

I have been reviewing the importance ratings of physicists, and I found that I do not necessarily always agree with the given ratings. As many of them have recently been given by Headbomb, I thought it might be more productive to have an open discussion about who we think should be given top importance and why. For reference here is the list of currently top-rated phycisists:
{{Div col|cols=3}}
*[[Andre-Marie Ampere]]
*[[John Bardeen]]
*[[Niels Bohr]]
*[[Ludwig Boltzmann]]
*[[Lawrence Bragg]]
*[[Walter Houser Brattain]]
*[[Marie Sklodowska-Curie]]
*[[Paul Dirac]]
*[[Albert Einstein]]
*[[Richard Feynman]]
*[[Carl Gauss]]
*[[Murray Gell-Mann]]
*[[Galileo Galilei]]
*[[William Rowan Hamilton]]
*[[Stephen Hawking]]
*[[Gerard 't Hooft]]
*[[Werner Heisenberg]]
*[[Archibald Hill]]
*[[Christiaan Huygens]]
*[[Igor Kurchatov]]
*[[Georges Lemaitre]]
*[[James Maxwell]]
*[[Neville Mott]]
*[[Isaac Newton]]
*[[Kamerlingh Onnes]]
*[[Robert Oppenheimer]]
*[[Wolfgang Pauli]]
*[[Max Planck]]
*[[Erwin Schrodinger]]
*[[William Shockley]]
*[[Nikola Tesla]]
*[[John von Neumann]]
*[[Van Vleck]]
*[[Edward Witten]]
*[[Steven Weinberg]]
{{Div col end}}
Some names on this list are a no-brainer (e.g. Newton or Einstein), yet others are not obvious as to why they should be top important to physics. For example, why are Shockley and Brattain on this list? Yes they invented the [[transistor]], which is important but not to physics (the article doesn't even have a physics tag, maybe it should be importance would high at most). As a rule of thumb I believe no physicist should be given a higher importance rating then his or her main contribution to physics. (figure like Hawking might be an exception due to their public profile) Following this rule also raises doubts about the presence of figures like Weinberg and Gell-Mann on this list.

Equally important if these people are all deemed top important then who else should be here. If Hamilton is here then Lagrange should be as well. If Weinberg and Gell-Mann are here then maybe so should 't Hooft.

I am opening this up for discussion (instead of just changing the ratings I feel are off) because I feel it is important to have some concensus about this. It might help sharpen the current importance to physics description on the project page. ([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 10:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC))

Well it was mostly I who assigned these ratings so I'll explain and then maybe it'll make sense (or not):
* Brattain and Shockley for the transistor. Shockley also was the first to succesfully modelize PN junctions. Brattain could probably be dropped to High, but Shockley IMO, is of top importance considering the impact of his work.
* Gell-Man because of his work on QED with Feynman.
* Weinberg for unifying EM and the weak interaction.
* Hill for the foundation of biophysics
* Kurchatov because of what seems his enormous impact within the Soviet physics community. He seems like the Soviet Oppenheimer. However, I never heard of the guy before.
* Lagrange: I agree that this guy should be in top-importance. What about [[d'Alembert]], [[Legendre]], and [[Poisson]]?

Good idea to list them all. It gives us a good overview of things. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]] – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Projects of the Week|PotW]]} 18:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I sort of have my doubts about the actual importance to physics of Oppenheimer and Kurchatov. They were heads of the the atomic programs of the US and USSR, which makes them important figures for modern history. Besides this they were prominent physicists of their time, but that pretty much goes for any high/mid rated physicist. I think that for this project "high" would be a good rating. But I guess it is a matter of where we want to put the bar.

Some people that I think should make this list: (i.e. people of at least the same stature as the people currently on the list)
*[[Ludwig Boltzmann]] for statistical physics (Ouch, was unassessed. Have put him in Top)
*[[Kamerlingh Onnes]] superconductivity (The top list has a shocking lack of experimentalists)
*[[Marie Curie]] radioactivity. (also I think it is good to have at least one female in there)
*[[Edward Witten]] maybe?
*[[Gerard 't Hooft]] for his work on QCD and the standard model?

I'm not sure about [[d'Alembert]], [[Legendre]], and [[Poisson]]. They were mostly mathmaticians. They should be at least high but top would be too much, I think. (same goes for Euler and Cauchy probably). ([[User:TimothyRias|TimothyRias]] ([[User talk:TimothyRias|talk]]) 08:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC))

:Let's also not forget that most people never see these rankings. They're means to an end, and the end is having better articles. It's fine to spend some time thinking about how to focus efforts, but let's not go tooo far overboard scrutinizing every borderline ranking. Better to spend the time simply improving the articles. :-) --[[User:Sbyrnes321|Steve]] ([[User talk:Sbyrnes321|talk]]) 15:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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The 4th Edition Space Marine sourcebook (codex) cover

In the fictional Warhammer 40,000 setting of Games Workshop, the Space Marines are elite soldiers modified through gene therapy, surgical modifications, and hypnotic indoctrination to be super-humans capable of defeating alien forces that vastly outnumber them. Several variations exist, such as Chaos Space Marines and the Grey Knights.

Space Marines feature in the table-top wargame, its spin off games such as 'Epic' and 'Inquisitor', the computer games including Dawn of War and the novels based on the setting produced by Black Library.

Structure

In the Warhammer 40,000 table top game, each playable army is divided into troop types. For the Space Marines army, the troop types also have a corresponding background narrative that explains the Space Marine military structure. Rather than contemporary military formations such as regiments or battalions, the total Space Marine force is organized by "chapters". The background material states that there are just over 1,000 Space Marine Chapters, each with a nominal fighting strength of 1,000 Space Marines. Individual Chapters have their own identity, heritage, fighting style and practice of beliefs. Most of the Chapters follow the organisational regimes and tactics laid down in the Codex Astartes, a treatise on the operations and procedures that should be followed by Space Marines, compiled at the time of the Second Founding by the Ultramarines' Primarch, Roboute Guilliman.[1]

A few of the Chapters have been described in detail, especially those that differ significantly from the norm ("non-Codex"). The remainder have been left undescribed and this allows a player to make up their own history and colour scheme for their army.

Each "Codex" Chapter is organised into ten Companies (one veteran company, four "battle" companies, 4 reserve companies, and 1 scout company) numbered one to ten. "Non Codex" Chapters do not adhere strictly to the structures laid down in the codex and may have more than 1,000 Marines.

The background material also gives each of the original chapters a founding member, known as the "Primarch". Primarchs were engineered superhumans created by the Emperor to command his future Legions of Space Marines. Originally twenty in number (technically 21 due to the twin nature of Alpharius / Omegon) , they were said to have been created using the Emperor's own DNA. Their genetic material was also used to form the basis of the Legions they would command.

All were created in genetic laboratories hidden on Luna (Earth's Moon), and were almost complete before they were scattered across the galaxy. The background narrative leaves the cause unanswered; the forces of Chaos, the Emperor and the Primarchs themselves are claimed in varying tales to be responsible for snatching the infant Primarchs' incubation cradles from Earth and dispersing them through the Warp. According to the novel False Gods, The Emperor might have allowed the forces of Chaos to scatter the Primarchs across the Galaxy for purposes unknown. As the Great Crusade progressed, the Emperor was reunited with each Primarch as he established contact with the worlds on which the Primarchs had come to rest. Most had, in the intervening time, risen to positions of power or infamy as a result of their remarkable physiology and abilities. At least two had been subject to mutation; Sanguinius, who had angelic wings and was reported to be psychic; and Magnus, who had bright red skin and was widely known to have formidable psychic talent.

History

The Legions

Twenty superhuman Primarchs were made of the God-Emperor's genetic material during the Great Crusade. All the Primarchs were recovered, but two are described to have had "tragic accidents". Each of the rediscovered Primarchs were appointed command of a Legion of superhuman soldiers made with their genetic code.

Loyalists

During the Horus Heresy, nine Legions remained loyal to the Emperor. After the defeat of Horus the Legions were separated into smaller "Chapters" of 1,000 Marines each. This was to prevent a single commander from having as much power as Warmaster Horus. The first Chapter of each of the old Legions retains the name of the founding Legion. All subsequent Chapters gain their own names and are referred to as Successor Chapters.

Loyal Legions
Name No. Primarch Primarch's World Current Base of Operation In-game description
Dark Angels I Lion El'Jonson Caliban (Destroyed) The Rock (asteroid base) The First Legion to be created by the Emperor. The Dark Angels are unique in that when the Horus Heresy occurred, they were the only Legion to be split down the middle, with half their forces siding with Horus, while the other half remained loyal to the Emperor. The Dark Angels and their successors refer to themselves as "The Unforgiven". Highly secretive, they hunt the "Fallen Angels" (the Dark Angels who sided with Chaos) as an attempt to redeem themselves of the taint upon their Legion's honor.
White Scars V Jaghatai Khan Mundus Planus Mundus Planus The White Scars have a Mongolian-inspired culture and fast-attack combat doctrine. The Chapter makes extensive use of Blitzkrieg-like tactics, their strategies based chiefly on those of Genghis Khan. They are feared for their ability to storm the battlefield with lightning speed. They are almost never out-maneuvered on the battlefield.
Space Wolves VI Leman Russ Fenris Fenris (The Fang) The Space Wolves are fierce warriors with an organization that differs strongly to other Chapters. Though their loyalty is unquestioned, they are known for their fiercely anti-authority attitudes. The Space Wolves' culture and background is heavily influenced by the Viking civilization.
Imperial Fists VII Rogal Dorn Holy Terra Phalanx (space-borne fortress ship) The Imperial Fists were charged with defending Holy Terra itself during the Siege of the Emperor's Palace, thus being one of the most honored armies of Man. As such they are masters of defense, but they also are relentless and rather stubborn attackers who would rather die than retreat.
Blood Angels IX Sanguinius Baal Secundus Baal Prime, Secundus The Blood Angels and their successor chapters have suffered from various gene-seed flaws. Most notably the "Red Thirst" and "Black Rage", referring to a constant drive to shed blood, and a state in which the drive completely controls them, respectively. When they succumb to the Black Rage, their pale skin and sharp canine teeth lend the Chapter a somewhat vampiric appearance. The Blood Angels excel at close combat and assault tactics.
Iron Hands X Ferrus Manus Medusa Medusa The Chapter's warriors display a high incidence of cybernetic modifications to their bodies and all recruits have the left hand removed and replaced with a cybernetic replacement. During the Horus Heresy the Primarch of the Legion, Ferrus Mannus, was killed by his brother Primarch Fulgrim. The Iron Hands do not have a chapter master or Fortress Monastery (the constant tectonic activity of Medusa makes static structures impossible to maintain) like other chapters, but are instead ruled by a council made of the commanders of the ten companies, which themselves are independent and maintain their own massive land-crawler like mobile fortresses.
Ultramarines XIII Roboute Guilliman Macragge Macragge (Fortress of Hera) The Ultramarines are rigid adherents to the Codex Astartes as their Primarch created it to make sure his knowledge in warfare was preserved, and are the canonical Space Marine Chapter from whose genetic material most new Founding chapters are drawn, since their gene-seed still consists of all 19 implants.

In the earliest background, the Ultramarines were a Third, rather than First Founding Chapter, and were said to have been founded during the Horus Heresy. Upon its creation, "the Emperor gave the chapter the number 13 - formerly the number of one of the traitor Legions now banished to the Eye of Terror 'without number and name with all honors erased'" (White Dwarf 97). This, however, seems to have been retconned in later editions as the Ultramarines' back story extends to before the Horus Heresy.

Salamanders XVI Vulkan Nocturne Prometheus (moon of Nocturne) Technically-adept warriors with a preference for short-ranged combat, the Salamanders favour heat-based weaponry and, visually, have an almost tribal appearance, with scarification being common among the Chapter's warriors, and typically their skin is as black as coal.
Raven Guard XIX Corax Deliverance (originally named Lycaeus) Deliverance (Ravenspire Tower) The Raven Guard specialize in hit-and-run assaults using jump packs and extensive use of Scout Marines.

Traitor Legions

Of the Legions, nine sided with Horus and the forces of Chaos during the Horus Heresy. After their defeat they fled into the Eye of Terror, becoming the Chaos Space Marines.

Traitor Legions
Name No. Primarch Primarch's world Current base of operations In game description
Emperor's Children III Fulgrim Chemos (Unknown status, presumed destroyed) Eye of Terror Once the most loyal and steadfast defenders of humanity, the Emperor's Children now are hedonistic devotees of Slaanesh, deriving pleasure from the most extreme actions and sensations. They are also renowned for sonic warfare.
Iron Warriors IV Perturabo Olympia (Destroyed) Medrengard (Eye of Terror) The Iron Warriors are siege and trench warfare specialists. They favor heavy weaponry and fortifications.
Night Lords VIII Konrad Curze/Night Haunter Nostramo (Destroyed) Eye of Terror The Night Lords specialize in raids and terror tactics, taking special interest in psychological warfare.
World Eaters XII Angron No Record (Presumed Destroyed By World Eaters During Heresy) Eye of Terror The World Eaters are the chosen ones of Khorne and favor close combat. The Legion has devolved into bloodthirsty fanatics with no organized command structure, with a common desire to spill blood and collect skulls for their God.
Death Guard XIV Mortarion Barbarus (Destroyed) Plague Planet (Eye of Terror) The Death Guard are plague-ridden devotees of Nurgle who are driven to spread plague and pestilence across the galaxy to please their god. They are amongst the most organized of the Chaos Space Marines.
Thousand Sons XV Magnus the Red Prospero (Destroyed) Planet of the Sorcerers (Eye of Terror) The Thousand Sons are favored by Tzeentch and value knowledge, especially the arcane. The majority of the Legion have been rendered incorporeal by the Rubric of Ahriman and fight as walking suits of armor, led by the Legion's Sorcerers.
Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus / Black Legion XVI Horus Cthonia (Destroyed) Eye of Terror The Luna Wolves were renamed to Sons of Horus in honor of Warmaster Horus before the Horus Heresy erupted. After Horus’ death, Abaddon the Despoiler renamed them as the Black Legion, to remove the name of Horus after his defeat.
Word Bearers XVII Lorgar Colchis (Destroyed) Sicarus (Eye of Terror), Ghalmek (Maelstrom) The Word Bearers are strongly religious in mindset, worshiping all Chaos Gods as a pantheon; in fact, they are the only Traitor Legion to maintain the use of Chaplains (though the Word Bearers have renamed these twisted preachers "Dark Apostles" to indicate where their true faith lies). They are known for never retreating, even if facing certain destruction.
Alpha Legion XX Alpharius Unknown Unknown The Alpha Legion adopted the hydra as their motif. Subtlety and covert operations are this Legion's forté, using minimalistic but devastating force against their enemies. Their Primarch, Alpharius, has been thought to have been killed but recent canon revealed that he had an identical twin named Omegon who could serve as Primarch either in Alpharius's absence or in his stead, as the Alpha Legion was a very secretive chapter. They were described as being "one soul in two bodies" in an encounter with a Xenos (alien) presence. With that same presence, they were told that they had to side with Horus and ensure that Horus won for the Galaxy's sake-in the novel Legion, Alpharius says that "... So what I do ... from this moment on, I will do for the Emperor." after he has been told to side with Horus, hinting that even though his Legion turned, he remains loyal to the Emperor.

"Lost" Legions & Primarchs

The narratives leave two additional unnamed and undescribed First Founding Legions, Legions II and XI. In some literature the missing Primarchs and their Legions are listed as being "Deleted from Imperial records".[2][3] The only information Games Workshop has ever released that directly addresses them, can be found in False Gods and The Lightning Tower (Dan Abnett).

In the Black Library Horus Heresy novel series, Horus, in a chaos-induced dream sequence, apparently goes back in time and sees the cracked incubation capsule of Primarch XI before the Primarchs are scattered to the warp (the effect this has on the Primarch is inconclusive). Before doing this, he puts his hand on XI's capsule and feels "the untapped glories that might have lain ahead for what grew within, but knowing that they would never come to pass".

However, Games Workshop has explained the gameplay purpose for these "deleted" Legions: they are available to help those who wish to develop their own, custom Legions. The basic idea is since there were 20 Legions, and half went to Chaos but half stayed loyal, that these two lost Legions would represent the same for "do-it-yourself" forces.

Later Foundings

In subsequent millennia, the Imperium has also created new Chapters of Space Marines. These minor chapters have appeared in various spin-offs produced by Games Workshop, as well as in works of fiction from The Black Library and the Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War series.

The Cursed 21st Founding was when new chapters of Space Marines were created but with unfortunate side-effects. Many chapters had uncontrolled mutations, and entire chapters were lost or destroyed. One more commonly known chapter created during the founding were the Fire Hawks, who were lost upon entering the Warp and are rumored to be the Legion of the Damned. One of the these chapters that appeared in the Third War for Armageddon were the Black Dragons.

Training

The training of a Space Marine is described within game literature in great detail. A Space Marine is a vastly superior warrior when compared to a normal human. This is due to a series of biological enhancements, psychological conditioning, and heavy training. The end result of creating a Space Marine produces a soldier with abilities that are so superior to those of an average human that they are best described as superhuman.

Once the recruit passes a battery of tests and challenges set by the Chapter, and the initial gene-seed implants have taken hold on his body, he is accepted into the Chapter as a Neophyte. These Neophytes will be trained in the history of the Chapter and the edicts of the Codex Astartes, while the remaining implants and modifications are made to his body.

Once a Scout begins his training and genetic modification, he is no longer permitted contact with his home or family, sworn to serve the Emperor and the Chapter until his death. The Scouts form the Tenth Company of a Chapter. The creation of a Space Marine is a dangerous process, and it is accepted that many will die during their indoctrination.

Once the Neophyte's/Scout's period of training is complete, the Neophyte will often be sent on a final challenge to prove his worth. Upon the completion of this challenge, the Neophyte will become a full member of the Chapter, and will be assigned to one of the eight Battle or Reserve companies (or Chapter equivalent).

The new "battle-brother" is presented with a boltgun and a suit of power armour, the maintenance of which is his responsibility. A newly promoted Marine is assigned to one off the chapters devastator squads as a bolter marine, to provide close support for the more battle hardened marines carrying the heavy weapons. As he gain experience and proves himself he will be allowed to carry the heavy guns himself. After exemplary service in a devastator squad a marine will be assigned to an assault squad, and from there he will be assigned to a Tactical Squad. This insures that the Tactical squads, which form the back bone off the chapter, can excel at any task.

Veterans

Space Marines that have had centuries of experience in battle, veterans usually remain with their Company, leading squads of their fellow Battle Brothers into the fray as Sergeants. However, the Marines that have most proven their worth to the Chapter are inducted into the elite First Company. it is quite common for tactical squads to be lead by a seconded veteran from the first company. On rare occasion, a less experienced Initiate will be honoured with a position in the First Company, in response to a distinguishing display of exceptional courage, tactical intelligence or prowess in battle.

As the powerful Tactical Dreadnought Armour (also known as Terminator Armour) is reserved for only the most distinguished Space Marines, heavily-armed Terminator Squads are typically comprised entirely of veteran characters.

Specialists

At any point during their long careers, a Space Marine may be called upon to train in a specialist field, to better support the Chapter in both combat and non-combat roles. Techmarines, Apothecaries, and Librarians begin their training during the neophyte stage of their indoctrination for showing technical, medical or psychic skills, respectively. Certain members are also inducted into the Deathwatch, the military arm of the Ordo Xenos, should they possess a certain skill useful against the vile Xenos.

Marines who show an aptitude with technology are often selected to undergo the training to become a "Techmarine" (Frater Astrotechnicus[4]), honorary members of the Adeptus Mechanicus and priests of the Machine God.

After hundreds of years of service to the Chapter, elite Marines may be called upon to take up one of the leadership positions within the Chapter. These positions are Captain and Chapter Master. Occasionally a space marine captain may be required to take command of several companies and takes the temporary title of force commander.

Space Marines in Warhammer 40,000 fiction

In the novels and stories published by the Black Library (Games Workshop's publishing division), the Space Marines are portrayed as being far more powerful than their tabletop equivalents. The reason behind this has been explained as to maintain game balance; all armies are on an equal enough footing that the skill, tactics and luck of the individual players have a greater effect on the results than any fictional stereotype. Even so, the Marines are one of the most balanced armies in terms of shooting ability compared to close combat ability, as they excel at both.

However, a set of rules was created in January 2005 by Pete Haines, published in White Dwarf 300 in the US and Australia (but missing from UK publications). Titled "The Movie Space Marine List", these rules strove to match the Space Marines portrayed in the fiction, resulting in 'armies' of ten or less Space Marines that were more than capable of taking on regular-sized armies from other Codexes. These rules were made completely unofficial, and players were warned to be careful when using them against opponents.

5th edition and new codex

Space Marines were confirmed to be getting a new codex first in the 5th edition of the Warhammer 40,000. This introduced new rules, and characters and models being released such as Scout Bikers, Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans, Drop Pods, the Land Raider Reedeemer and the Thunderfire Cannon.

Though Space Marines were the first to get a codex update after the release of 5th Edition, many codexes were released in anticipation for 5th Edition: Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, and Daemons.

Appearances

Outside the WH40K game and Epic, Space Marines have also featured in:

Tabletop game

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Space Crusade Space Marines figures
  • Space Crusade
  • Advanced Space Crusade
  • Space Hulk
  • Talisman - through the Space expansion
  • Battlefleet Gothic - through the Armada expansion
  • Inquisitor

Computer games

Footnotes

  1. ^ It has variously been claimed that the Codex Astartes was composed by Roboute Guilliman, Leman Russ and Rogal Dorn. The contents have varied too: while most modern Space Marine imagery makes little use of camouflage, this was originally held to be advised by the Codex Astartes (although ignored by many Chapters) and many contemporary Space Marines of the game's early years wore camouflaged armour.
  2. ^ Chambers, Andy (1998). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines. Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-869893-28-X.
  3. ^ 2nd edition Codex Imperialis
  4. ^ Land Raider by Rick Priestley, White Dwarf 105)

References

  • Chambers, Andy (1998). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines. Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-869893-28-X.
  • Haines, Pete (2004). Warhammer 40,000 Codex: Space Marines (4th Edition ed.). Nottingham: Games Workshop. ISBN 1-84154-526-0. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • Rick Priestley, Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader, Games Workshop, Nottingham, 1987, ISBN 1-869893-23-9

Warhammer 40,000 5th edition rule book,Games Workshop, Nottingham 2008

See also

Primarch Studio

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