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Location of the municipality and town of **Puerto Santander** in the Norte de Santander Department.

Puerto Santander is a town and smallest municipality in the Norte de Santander Department in northeastern Colombia. It is part of the rural zone of Metropolitan Area of Cúcuta and it is localed north of Cúcuta, completely surrounded by the municipality of Cúcuta and the border with Venezuela.

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+[[Image:MunsNorteSantander-puertosantander.png|thumb|right|200px|Location of the municipality and town of '''Puerto Santander''' in the [[Norte de Santander Department]].]]
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+'''Puerto Santander''' is a town and smallest municipality in the [[Norte de Santander Department]] in northeastern [[Colombia]]. It is part of the rural zone of [[Metropolitan Area of Cúcuta]] and it is localed north of [[Cúcuta]], completely surrounded by the municipality of Cúcuta and the border with [[Venezuela]].
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+* {{es icon}} [http://www.nortedesantander.gov.co/nortedesantander/home_1/htm/cont.jsp?rec=not_1359.jsp Government of Norte de Santander - Puerto Santander]
-When did England give the right to vote to women?
+{{Municipalities nortedesantander department}}
-:At the same time as Scotland, Wales and Ireland did.  The initial date was in March 1918 when the Representation of the People act gave voting rights to women over 30 and men over 21.  However the suffragettes still saw it as a great victory.  In November 1918, women over 21 were given the right to become Members of Parliament.  This led to a situation where a woman could be an MP even though she was too young to vote!  Women finally achieved equal voting rights to men in the UK in 1928. -- [[User:Derek Ross|Derek Ross]]
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+[[Category:Cities, towns and villages in the Norte de Santander Department]]
+[[Category:Municipalities of Norte de Santander]]
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-Were any of the Pankhursts born in Salford or did any of them spend a significant period of their lives in the city?
+[[es:Puerto Santander]]
-== pictures ==
-maybe a picture of Emmeline Pankhurst would be useful.
-== Dr. Who reference? ==
-Dr. Who is the name of a British science fiction series, where "The Doctor" is a time traveler, and in the episode broadcast on 31 March 2007 called "Smith and Jones", he comments that his "laser spanner" was stolen by Emily Pankhurst - given that he is a time travler, who has met Shakespeare, Benjamin Franklin, Queen Elizabeth the first etc - it is not unlikely that it is Emmeline Pankhurst he is refering to.
-==Biographical sketch?==
-It would be interesting to have some biographical information in the article. Anybody has the knowledge and time to do it? [[User:Goochelaar|Goochelaar]] ([[User talk:Goochelaar|talk]])  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 11:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Popular culture ==
-I'm not at all happy about this section, which seems to be pretty much a Trivia section in disguise. Does anyone really care that: "In Helen Fielding's novel Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason, Tom tries to convince Bridget to vote and says, 'Go on then. Remember Mrs. Pankhurst.'" Is that really important, relevant, or encyclopedic? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 20:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Major renovation ==
-I'm beginning a full-scale reconstruction of this article, with the goal of taking it to FA status. I shall abolish the pop culture section, since that is strongly [[WP:TRIVIA|disfavoured]] by the English Wikipedia community. I will hopefully move the renovated article from my [[User:Scartol/drawing board|drawing board]] to the article namespace by 1 September. –&nbsp;[[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 22:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
-:I have completed the aforementioned reconstruction and am now opening the floor for peer review. Thank you for any constructive comments you may care to make. [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 18:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
-::Many thanks to the folks more familiar with British English than myself who are correcting the slip-ups in my prose. Cheers, mates! [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 11:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
-::Well done! [[Special:Contributions/68.5.138.151|68.5.138.151]] ([[User talk:68.5.138.151|talk]]) 02:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-==Absolutely splendid==
-What a terrific article - well done [[User:Scartol]].  I made a couple of Br Eng edits.  What a pity [[User:Tttom]] who tagged the article didn't come here to discuss what he saw was wrong with it.  It reads fine to me, and not weaselly at all.
-One query - the Goulden house in Seedley is described as a cottage.  Seedley is described on its page as being an 'area ... mostly made up of terraced housing, dating from the late 19th century and early 20th century' so it seems unlikley the house was a cottage, which is a term usually used to describe traditional rural housing.  [[Special:Contributions/81.156.175.153|81.156.175.153]] ([[User talk:81.156.175.153|talk]]) 07:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-:Thinking about it, if Seedley was an old village/settlement which then was gradually 'suburbanised' in the 19 and 20 C, then there is the possibility that there would be old cottages in the original centre of what had been the village. [[Special:Contributions/81.156.175.153|81.156.175.153]] ([[User talk:81.156.175.153|talk]]) 08:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-::That's my guess. Purvis refers to it as "Seedley Cottage", and it's by far the more comprehensive of the two EP bios. I don't have any first-hand sources to pull from, and I think the second comment above makes sense. [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 17:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-=== Weasel words ===
-::Slapping tags on an article should be accompanied by a thorough explanation, so I reverted the tagging. I encourage Ttom to motivate the tag with more than just "which historians?"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emmeline_Pankhurst&diff=prev&oldid=244071964] in the edit summary.
-::[[User:Peter Isotalo|Peter]] <sup>[[User talk:Peter Isotalo|Isotalo]]</sup> 08:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::Looking over the article, I suspect the "offending" phrase is "Although historians differ about whether Pankhurst's militancy ..." (in the legacy section - the same phrase appears in the lead - but since this shoudl sumamrise the article as a whole, we probably don't need to spell it out there) we really need to give some examples of specific historians who are pro- or contra-. [[User:David Underdown|David Underdown]] ([[User talk:David Underdown|talk]]) 10:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::"Her passionate work with the WSPU is recognised as a crucial element in achieving women's suffrage in Britain, although historians disagree if she did more to help or hinder public support for it." - 'historians' used in this way are 'weasel words'  it implies an authority for which no evidence is given. Since this is a statement in the opening paragraph it further lends a credibility to the unsubstantiate, unsourced and unreferenced idea that there is a serious debate over her legacy's effect (which I doubt there is, frankly). Therefore I'm going to tag that part again with a fact tag. Reference that statement or it can be removed.[[User:Tttom|Tttom1]] ([[User talk:Tttom|talk]]) 15:44, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::From wp on weasel words: "Weasel words are words or phrases that seemingly support statements without attributing opinions to verifiable sources. Weasel words give the force of authority to a statement without letting the reader decide if the source of the opinion is reliable. If a statement can't stand on its own without weasel words, it lacks neutral point of view; either a source for the statement should be found, or the statement should be removed. If a statement can stand without weasel words, they may be undermining its neutrality and the statement may be better off standing without them."[[User:Tttom|Tttom1]] ([[User talk:Tttom|talk]]) 15:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::::The lead should sumamrise the article, the cite tag would be better placed in teh legacy section, if it can be adequately cited in there, it's mention in the lead is fine.  [[User:David Underdown|David Underdown]] ([[User talk:David Underdown|talk]]) 15:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-(undent) The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmeline_Pankhurst#cite_note-120 footnote] at the end of the paragraph which has been tagged refers the reader to the two book-length biographies that have been published about Mrs. Pankhurst (both in 2002, both published by Routledge, interestingly enough). The pages cited in the books by Bartley and Purvis contain an extended discussion about the contention among historians (including Pugh, Liddington, Phillips, and others) about whether her actions increased or decreased public support for women's suffrage. This wasn't an effort to put my opinion into the words of her biographers; it's an effort to represent the general opinion across the field of Pankhurst studies.
-I have repeated the citation to replace the "fact" tag, although I was under the impression that a citation at the end of a paragraph is assumed to contain the totality of the information in said paragraph. I suppose this is a case where a specific extra citation is useful. Thanks to all for your input. [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 16:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-By the way: If anyone would like to contribute a more comprehensive peer review, I'd love to have in-depth feedback [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/Emmeline Pankhurst|here]]. FA, we're on the way! Cheers. [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 16:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)