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'''Bruno Bauer''' ([[September 6]], [[1809]] – [[April 13]], [[1882]]), was a [[Germany|German]] [[theology|theologian]], [[philosopher]] and [[historian]].
Can anyone please look into the fact that Gilda Radner is not a cast member of this movie - especially in the church scene as pointed out by a contributor to the article. I have viewed the entire movie many times and reviewed the cast listing having found no mention of Gilda. The woman in the church scene is Carol Arthur (wife of Dom DeLuis). [[User:ESQ24|ESQ24]]
Bauer investigated the sources of the [[New Testament]] and controversially concluded that early Christianity owed more to Greek philosophy ([[Stoicism]]) than to [[Judaism]].{{Fact|date=August 2007}} Starting in 1840, he began a series of controversial works arguing that Jesus was a myth, a second-century fusion of Jewish, Greek, and Roman theology.<ref name="CC">[[Will Durant|Durant, Will]]. Caesar and Christ. New York: Simon and Schuster. 1972</ref>


==Biography==
: It's a rumor that started who-knows-where. Unless someone can provide a verifiable citation, it doesn't belong in the article. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


Bauer was the son of a painter in a porcelain factory at [[Eisenberg, Thuringia|Eisenberg]] in [[Saxe-Altenburg]]. He studied directly under [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|G.W.F. Hegel]] until Hegel died in 1833. Hegel one year awarded the young Bauer an academic prize for a philosophical essay criticizing [[Immanuel Kant]].
''One of its most famous scenes is of a group of cowboys sitting round a fire eating plates of beans; the soundtrack has repeated, loud evidence of the most [[Flatulence|notorious side-effects]] of beans..''


Bauer studied at the [[Humboldt University of Berlin|Friedrich Wilhelm University]] in [[Berlin]], where he attached himself to the so-called [[Right Hegelians]] under [[Philip Marheineke]]. In 1834 he began to teach in Berlin as a licentiate of theology, and in 1839 was transferred to the [[University of Bonn]]. In 1838 he published his ''Kritische Darstellung der Religion des Alten Testaments'' (2 vols.), which shows that at that date he was still faithful to the Hegelian Right. Soon afterwards his opinions underwent a change to the Hegelian left, and in three works, one on the Fourth Gospel, ''Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte des Johannes'' (1840), and the other on the [[Synoptic Gospels|Synoptics]], ''Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte der Synoptiker'' (1841), as well as in his ''Herr Dr. Hengstenberg. Kritische Briefe über den Gegensatz des Gesetzes und des Evangeliums'' (1839), he announced his complete rejection of his earlier orthodoxy.
Huh huh, [[fart]] jokes. The scene where the sheriff distracts some [[Ku Klux Klan]] members by yelling "where are all the white women at?" paints a different picture of this movie. -- [[User:Merphant|Merphant]]
*It's meant to attract the Klan members, so they are drawn into the ambush. One of the Klan's irrational views/fears is about helpless white women being 'soiled' by black men. [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 20:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


That explains why Bauer was first called a "Right Hegelian" (cf. David Strauss, ''In Defense of My 'Life of Jesus' Against the Hegelians'', 1838) but later is associated with the radical [[Young Hegelians]] or "Left Hegelians". [[Karl Marx]] was first his friend and pupil, closely working together with him, but later rejected Bruno Bauer from a position even more leftist in two books he wrote along with [[Frederick Engels]] in the 1840's.
Not sure what you mean by "a different picture". I get the sense that maybe you don't approve of the over-the-top racial satire. ''Many'' ethnic groups get verbally "shot at" in this movie. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 3 July 2005 22:20 (UTC)


Bruno Bauer was sent by altenstein to Bonn in order to protect his leftism from the critique of teh Berlin orthodox as well as to win the Bonn university to Hegelianism. However, Bauer instead created many enemies in his new position by openly teaching atheism in his new position as professor of tehology in a pietst dominated university. As he mentioned in his letters, he tried to provoke a scandal, so that the goverment would either give complete freedom of science and teaching to its university professors, or to make its conservative position clear by removing him from his post. Indeed, the goverment asked the theology departments of its universities for an advice. When most of them (with th eexception of teh Hegelian Marheineke) did indeed maintained that a professor of protestant theology should not beallowed to teach his opriest students atheism and Bruno Bauer was not willing to compromise, the Prussian goverment in 1842 revoked Bauer's teaching license and he retired for the rest of his life to Rixdorf, near [[Berlin]].
Merphant, buddy, that was a joke.


From then on, he continued to write books on the topics of modern history and politics, as well as in theology. Bauer published ''Geschichte der Politik, Kultur und Aufklärung des 18ten Jahrhunderts'' (4 vols. 1843-1845), ''Geschichte der französischen Revolution'' (3 vols. 1847), and ''Disraelis romantischer und Bismarcks socialistischer Imperialismus'' (1882).
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This writeup is absolutely horrible... anyone care to write a better one?


Yet Bauer also retained an interest in Biblical Criticism, especially the historical and literary criticism of the New Testament, with his critical works: 'A Critique of the Gospels and a History of their Origin,' ''Kritik der Evangelien und Geschichte ihres Ursprungs'' (1850-1852), and, 'A Critique of the Pauline Epistles,' ''Kritik der paulinischen Briefe'' (1850-1852). His final book, 'Christ and the Caesars', ''Christus und die Caesaren'' (1877) was Bauer's final effort to justify Hegel's position that Christian theology owes at least as much to Greco-Roman literature as it owes to Jewish literature.
I'll take a shot at it. [[User:209.149.235.241|209.149.235.241]] 02:37, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Bruno Bauer died at Rixdorf in 1882. His younger brother, Edgar, was a German journalist.
== 'Ni' vs. 'Nit' in Quotes section ==
Wahkeenah, I noticed you reverted this 'correction' with another correction, but I'm still left wondering which is correct! This is a small point, but it would be nice to get a definitive answer. Here's what I've found so far:
*On the first pass (talking to Bart), the Gov. clearly stops at "ni--" but the DVD subtitles show "nig--".
*On the second pass (talking to Hedley), the DVD subtitles show "can't you see that man is a nig?"
*When I listen to the audio track, I hear the Gov. say "can't you see that man is a nit?" with an audible 't'. (which makes a certain amount of sense, because it's a real word and it's plausible that the Gov. would call him that - after all, what's a 'ni' or a 'nig'?)
*The closed-caption on the second pass stops at "can't you see that man is a ni?"
*The novelization has the Gov. actually saying "this man's a nigger" to Hedley.
*I would like to get a look at the screenplay to see if this is something they changed during shooting.


== Conflict with David Strauss ==
What do you think? Is there any reason to favor one version over another? [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 03:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
*Forget the screenplay and the subtitling (closed-captioning). What is he ''actually saying'' in the film? I've never heard it as "nit", and I've seen the film many times. But I could be wrong. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 14:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:: I believe he is saying "nit." That's how I've always heard it, but relying on your hearing or mine (or anyone else's) isn't definitive, unfortunately. I'd rather have a cite. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 16:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::It seems like the cite sites are uninsightful. :( [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 17:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::::We'll have to ask Mel! Anybody got his number? [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 18:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, I left it in my other suit. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 18:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
**Not to be confused with The Knights Who Say 'Ni'. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 14:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::: No, then we'd have to put [[Shrubbery]] under "See Also"! [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]]
::::I'm bushed. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 17:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


Shortly after the death of [[Hegel]], another writer, [[David Strauss]], who had been a student of Hegel and the first one to teach students Hegels philosophy in Tuebingen, wrote a controversial book which is now famous, entitled, ''The Life of Jesus Critically Examined'' (1835). What engendered immediate conflict with Bruno Bauer was that David Strauss claimed to speak for the Hegelians.
I'm hearing "Ni" both times he says it on the DVD, which I just now put on, but that doesn't necessarily prove anything. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 19:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:: I did a bit of "original research" (which, of course, is not admissible to the article) and ran the recording through a spectrum analyzer program, a "voiceprint." I also recorded myself saying "that man is a ni..", "that man is a nit", and "that man is a nig". I'm no expert on spectrograms, but the second Brooks line is clearly different from the first, and the second one resembles my voice saying "nit" more than the other two I recorded. Food for thought! :) [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Interesting. I saw the DVD with closed captioning, and it said "nig" both times... but that's not very reliable, given the ''many, obvious'' differences between the closed-captioning and what they were actually saying on-screen. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 01:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
*Here's at least one other source (apparently NOT spun off wikipedia) that thinks he's saying "ni" both times... and by the way, I thought that was the point of the joke anyway, that you think he's going to say the "n-word" and stops himself, whereas he was just saying "ni", which admittedly is a pretty lame joke. [http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/18/15758/167] Look for an item titled "Reminds me of Blazing Saddles". [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 19:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
: Oh, I have no doubt that there are other people hearing it the same way you are. Probably some are hearing 'nit' as well.
: You got the point of the joke just fine-- you think he's going to say the 'n-word', but in fact it's a different n-word. The problem is (for me) that 'ni' isn't a real word (unless he's calling Bart the chemical symbol for nickel!) and 'nit' is. I wish they would have used 'nitwit' instead, it would have made things simpler for us! [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::Calling him a nitwit would be more logical. Nit is also a word, but it doesn't make much sense, but neither does 'ni'. Maybe somebody ''will'' have to write to Mel and ask him. And given his sense of humor, he'll probably tell us to go talk to the scriptwriter... Richard Pryor. Maybe it would be better just to take the joke out altogether. There are still a few more others to choose from. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 20:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::: Nah, I think we should just keep correcting the corrections to the previous corrections!
::: As for talking to Richard Pryor... good idea! I'll go get my ouija board. <g> [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 21:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::: Let me know what he has to say. Meanwhile, we could qualify it by saying that some hear it as "ni" and some hear it as "nit". Maybe that would be ni(t)-picking. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 00:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
::::: Let's leave it as-is for now, since the subtitle agrees with the quote. If any new evidence comes along, we can always change it back. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 15:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
::::: P.S. Richard Pryor says ''"You can do anything you want and you can say anything that comes to mind - just so long as it's funny. If you ain't funny then get the fuck off the stage, it's that simple."'' :D [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]]


In the year of its publication, Strauss' book, ''The Life of Jesus'', raised a storm of controversy. In that year, also, the Prussian king, Friedrich Wilhelm IV, maintained a tighter control of the Prussian University system, and he personally favored an ultra-conservative approach to the Bible. So, he objected to David Strauss, and he also decided that the Hegel school must consist of trouble-makers.
== Self-plagiarisation ==


Bruno Bauer was one of the authors to refute and rebuff David Strauss in the Hegelian "Journal für wissenschaftliche Kritik". He showed that Strauss misrepresented Hegel, that Strauss own position differed from Hegel's and demonstrated that David Strauss' so-called dialectic was taken from Schleiermacher (who had been antagonistic to Hegel).
The last section looks to me like an essay written for school. --[[User:62.255.232.178|62.255.232.178]] 14:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
*What are you referring to, specifically? [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 15:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


In 1938 David Strauss, whose book had become a best-seller, and was sold widely throughout Europe, published a rebuttal to Bruno Bauer in a pamphlet entitled, ''In Defense of my Life of Jesus against the Hegelians''. In that book Strauss admitted that his position could not be found word by word in Hegel's lectures, but were within the range of conclusions one could draw from applying Hegelian principles to the subject.
''Most'' of Wikipedia reads 'like an essay written for school.' If you think you can improve the style, [[Wikipedia:Be_bold_in_updating_pages|be bold]] and take a stab at it! [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 04:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
*I can't argue with that. I would just like to know what's special about ''this'' article that caught your attention? [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 04:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


In that book, David Strauss was the first one to divide the Hegelian school into three parties, according to their relation to orthodox christian theology: [[Right Hegelian]] would defend all positions of orthodox christian theology, claiming that both could be in perfect harmony, [[Left Hegelian]] would place science and philosophy above theology, taking that side when in doubt, and [[Centrist Hegelian]] who would try to honour both the rationality of theological thinking as well as the freedom of scientific criticl thought. He then claimed that Bruno Bauer was - at that time - a right-wing Hegelian (as Bauer had just attacked him from that position, see above), and that he himself was a left-wing Hegelian. And that was his answer. He ended his book with an added insult to Bruno Bauer's criticism, calling it a "foolish bit of pen-pushing."
== inscription on headdress ==


For the rest of his life, Bauer continued to be highly critical towards David Strauss.
After reading the tidbit on the hebrew on the headdress, and inspecting the movie poster image, I noticed that what it said was not exactly "kosher l'pesach" because the first letters of each were reversed (it read "posher l'kesach")
I edited the page accordingly, but I don't know the proper formatting for words in foreign languages so correct as necessary. [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 01:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
*No. Follow the links to [[Pesach]] and [[Kashrut]] and you will see that the letters on the headband are ''not'' spoonerized. Furthermore, I asked a Jewish acquaintance and got confirmation on this point. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 02:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
**Well then your Jewish acquaintance either doesn't know Hebrew or he isn't looking close enough at the headdress. See my explination at http://www.chriscarter.org/images/viewer.php?id=3020comparison.JPG ...changing back to my edit [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 12:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
***Then you're also saying that wikipedia's own entries for those two words are incorrect? [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 17:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
****The entries are correct, I think you're confusing the letters which make a 'K' sound, which looks like a backwards C, with the letter which makes a 'p' sound, which looks like an inverted & flipped english G. [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 19:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:I tend to agree with [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]], it does look like the letters are reversed on the headdress. Hard to say, though, whether it's a deliberate spoonerism or just a mistake made by the artist. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::Well, maybe I'm crosseyed, but it looks to me like it matches the Hebrew in the articles for the terms [[Pesach]] and [[Kashrut]]. Keep in mind that the word order is Passover-Kosher, not Kosher-Passover. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 19:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I compared it to some product labels, such as [http://offthebroiler.wordpress.com/2006/03/25/kosher-for-passover-coke-its-the-real-thing-baby/ this one]. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::*Hebrew is read right-to-left, and the order should be Kosher (L)Pesach... the L (the letter lamed in hebrew) means 'for', i.e. kosher for passover. Also the strict hebrew pronounciation is closer to Ka'sher, not Kosher, but I think it makes more sense to use Kosher when talking about it in English.[[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 19:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:::*The inscription on the Coke bottle top is the same as on the Indian headband. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 23:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::::*No. http://www.chriscarter.org/images/viewer.php?id=1133switch.jpg Case closed? [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 23:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::*Now I see what you're getting at. Those letters are pretty similar-looking. But the first letter of "Kosher" on the headband has a dot ''inside'' it, not connected to the top of the letter as it would be if it were the first letter of "Pesach". So you can argue for a possible unintential spoonerism or maybe just mediocre artwork. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 23:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::* Oh that's what was throwing you off... now I get it :) in the article on Kashrut the 'backwards-c' letter thing has a dot in it. You may also notice alot of marks seperate from the main letters themselves in that representation. That is fully annotated hebrew, with vowels and marks used to help one pronounce new words, in contrast to the writing on the headdress which is done in the more traditional form without vowels. I could go on about what the dot in the 'backwards-c' (on the wiki page) means if you're curious. [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 23:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::*My point exactly (don't pardon the pun). That standalone dot is a vowel point. That letter was done correctly, but they messed up the first letter of "Pesach". Again, poor artwork or some such. Shalom! (:-)# [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 23:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::::*Hmmmm I managed to acquire an even higher-rez copy of the DVD cover than of the poster, and you while you are right that the dot is seperated, I do think that the artist was indeed drawing the (pey) letter for a few reasons... too tired to explain now. Wish I had a tablet PC to draw easily :P. I'll post a picture later with my reasons. [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 23:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


For example, when Bauer was middle-aged, a youthful [[Friedrich Nietzsche]] came to visit him, seeking advice from a well-known author (because Bruno Bauer did remain well-read during his lifetime). Bauer encouraged Nietzsche to criticize David Strauss, and in that early period, that is exactly what young Nietzsche did. They parted ways, though, when Nietzsche tired of that topic and moved sideways into the books of [[Arthur Schopenhauer]].
OK, tell me if I've got it right, as far as what it ''should'' be (forgetting the left-to-right part). Feel free to correct and embellish (Hebrew 101):


== Literary controversy ==
:k - caph
:sh - shin
:r - resh


Bauer's criticism of the [[New Testament]] was highly deconstructive. [[David Strauss]], in his ''Life of Jesus'', had accounted for the Gospel narratives as half-conscious products of the mythic instinct in the early Christian communities. Bauer ridiculed Strauss's notion that a community could produce a connected narrative. His own contention, embodying a theory of [[Christian Gottlob Wilke]] (''Der Urevangelist'', 1838), was that the original narrative was the [[Gospel of Mark]].
:l - lamedh


For Bruno Bauer, the [[Gospel of Mark]] was completed in the reign of [[Hadrian]] (where its prototype, the 'Ur-Marcus,' identifiable within the [[Gospel of Mark]] by a critical analysis, was begun around the time of Josephus and the Roman-Jewish Wars). Bauer, like other advocates of this '[[Markan priority|Marcan Hypothesis]]', affirmed that all the other Gospel narratives used the [[Gospel of Mark]] as their model within their writing communities.
:p - pe
:s - samekh
:ch - he


In 1906 [[Albert Schweitzer]] wrote that Bauer "originally sought to defend the honor of Jesus by rescuing his reputation from the inane parody of a biography that the Christian apologists had forged." However, he eventually came to the conclusion that it was a complete fiction and "regarded the Gospel of Mark not only as the first narrator, but even as the creator of the gospel history, thus making the latter a fiction and Christianity the invention of a single original evangelist" ([[Otto Pfleiderer]]).
[[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 23:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


Although Bauer did investigate the 'Ur-Marcus,' it was his remarks on the current version of the [[Gospel of Mark]] that captured popular attention. In particular, some key themes in the [[Gospel of Mark]] appeared to be literary. The[[Messianic Secret]] theme, in which Jesus continually performed wonders and then continually told the viewers not to tell anybody that he did this, seemed to Bauer to be an example of fiction. If the [[Messianic Secret]] is a fiction, Bauer wrote, then the redactor who added that theme was probably the final redactor of our current version of the [[Gospel of Mark]]. In 1901, [[Wilhelm Wrede]] would make his lasting fame by repeating many of Bauer's ideas in his book, ''The Messianic Secret''.
:* All correct except the last letter is called 'chet', 'he(y)' is a different letter [[User:208.59.171.97|208.59.171.97]] 23:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


Also, for some influential theologians in the [[Tubingen School]], several [[Pauline epistles]] were regarded as forgeries of the 2nd century. Bauer agreed with some of their conclusions and added his own, penetrating theological analyses. For example, he suggested, the Pauline epistles were written in the West in antagonism to the [[Paul of Tarsus|Paul]] of ''The Acts''. Bauer observed a preponderance of the Greco-Roman element, over and above the Jewish element, in Christian writings, and he added a wealth of historical background to support his theory; though modern scholars such as [[E. P. Sanders]] and [[John P. Meier]] have disputed this theory and attempted to demonstrate a mainly Jewish historical background. Other authors, such as [[Rudolf Bultmann]], tended to agree that a Greco-Roman element was dominant.
==Salon.com as a source for this article==
This article uses [[salon.com]] as a reference. A concern has been raised about the reliability of salon.com. You can read the following discussion and comment if you like. See[[Talk:Salon.com/as_a_source_for_Wikipedia]].[[User:Andries|Andries]] 04:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:The Salon.com review really doesn't offer any substantial additions to what's in the DVD commentary. In this case, I think it serves only as a published reference for the verbal content of the DVD commentary, unless someone disputes what Brooks said there? [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 07:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Most if not all of the material in the wiki article seems to be true. However, the section describing the film's themes has the look of a film commentary that was ripped off from someplace. If it came from that salon site, or predominantly from any site, then it should be altered or abolished. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 07:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


According to Bruno Bauer, the writer of [[Mark the Evangelist|Mark]]'s gospel was "an Italian, at home both in Rome and Alexandria"; that of [[Matthew the Evangelist|Matthew]]'s gospel "a Roman, nourished by the spirit of [[Seneca the Younger|Seneca]]"; Christianity is essentially "[[Stoicism]] triumphant in a Jewish garb."
== Critical reaction a quotefarm ==


It is obvious that Mark is a Roman name, not a Jewish name. What Bruno Bauer added was a deep review of European literature in the first century. In his estimation, many key themes of the New Testament, especially those that are opposed to themes in the Old Testament, can be found with relative ease in Greco-Roman literature that flourished during the first century. Such a position was also maintained by some Jewish scholars.
84% of the content in this section is quotes. Can we put these into our own words, keep the citations, and avoid weasel words when doing so? [[User:Chupper|Chupper]] 17:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


Bauer's final book, ''Christ and the Caesars'' (1877) offers a penetrating analysis that shows common key-words in the words of first-century writers like Seneca the Stoic and New Testament texts. While this had been perceived even in ancient times, the ancient explanation was that Seneca 'must have been' a secret Christian. Bruno Bauer was perhaps the first to attempt to carefully demonstrate that some New Testament writers freely borrowed from Seneca the Stoic. One modern explanation is that common cultures share common thought-forms and common patterns of speech; that similarities do not necessarily indicate borrowing.
== Edit War - let's talk this out ==


In ''Christ and the Caesars'', Bauer argued that [[Judaism]] entered [[Rome]] during the era of the [[Maccabees]], and increased in population and influence in [[Rome]] since that time. He cited literature from the first century to strengthen his case that Jewish influence in Rome was far greater than historians had yet reported. The Imperial throne was influenced by the Jewish religious genius, he said, citing Herod's relation with the Caesar family, as well as the famous relationship between [[Josephus]] and the Flavians, [[Vespasian]] and [[Titus]], and also one of the poems of [[Horace]].
{{user|72.76.13.100}} and {{user|Wahkeenah}} seem to be involved in a minor edit war about the merits of a particular passage in the article. So, I'm opening up a dialogue for them.


According to Bruno Bauer, [[Julius Caesar]] sought to interpret his own life as an Oriental miracle story, and Augustus Caesar completed that job by commissioning [[Virgil]] to write his ''Aeneid'', making Caesar into the Son of Venus and a relative of the Trojans, thereby justifying the Roman conquest of Greece and insinuating Rome into a much older history.
The disputed copy:
:In 2006, ''Blazing Saddles'' was among 25 films named to the [[National Film Registry]] by the Librarian of Congress.<ref>{{cite web| last =Boliek | first =Brooks| title ='Rocky,' 'Fargo,' 'Saddles' join Nat'l Film Registry| publisher =The Hollywood Reporter| date = 12-28-2006| url =http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ifb724cfa64879a0984f41abfea70edfe| accessdate = 2006-12-30 }}</ref> Films chosen for inclusion in this registry are rated on several criteria, including historical significance. The American [[film critic]] [[Dave Kehr]] queried if the historical importance of ''Blazing Saddles'' lay in the fact that it was the first film from a major [[major film studios|studio]] to have a [[fart]] joke.<ref>[http://davekehr.com/?p=148 National Film Registry Announces New Titles]</ref>''
By contrast, said Bauer, [[Vespasian]] was far more fortunate, since he had [[Josephus]] himself to link his reign with an Oriental miracle. [[Josephus]] had prophesied that [[Vespasian]] would become Emperor of Rome and thus ruler of the world. This actually happened, and in this way the Roman conquest of Judea was justified and insinuated Rome into an even older history.


According to [[Albert Schweitzer]], who claimed to be a Christian{{Fact|date=July 2007}}, Bruno Bauer's criticisms of the New Testament provided the most interesting questions about the historical Jesus that he had seen. Schweitzer's own theology was partly based on Bauer's writings.
Please state your reasons for wanting it removed/kept. Note that I'm keeping it out of the article until this conversation has run its course. [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 20:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
*Such a citation is obvious POV-pushing. It is clear from the critiques that not everyone liked it. Adding this particular sarcasm so near the beginning of the article is inappropriate. I don't care which list of films it appears on or not. That stuff is also POV-pushing. Today, that film stands out because of its blatant political incorrectness, much more than the campfire scene, which was avant-garde in its day, but is no longer a novelty due to many less-funny imitators over the years. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 11:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This line of criticism has value in emphasizing the importance of studying the influence of environment in the formation of the Christian Scriptures. Bauer was a man of restless creativity, interdisciplinary activity and independent judgment. Many reviewers have charged that Bauer's judgment was ill-balanced, but history has barely begun to review his life. It is not surprising, given the institutional response to his ideas. Due to the controversial nature of his work as a social theorist, theologian and historian, Bauer was banned from public teaching by a Prussian monarch. After many years of similar censorship, Bauer came to resign himself to his place as a free-lance critic, rather than as an official teacher.
::I'm really having trouble understanding your rationale. The NFR listing is a '''major''' deal, and adding it can hardly be considered a POV push. As for the fart joke comment, why couldn't that just be put under the "Critical reaction" heading? [[User:EVula|EVula]] <span style="color: #999;">// [[User talk:EVula|talk]] // [[User:EVula/admin|<span style="color: #366;">&#9775;</span>]] //</span> 17:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, that should work. You can also put back the NFR listing if you want. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 17:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Douglas Moggach published ''The Philosophy and Politics of Bruno Bauer'' in 2003. This is the most comprehensive overview of Bauer's life and works, in English to date. Bauer's biography has obtained more kindly reviews these days, even by opponents. In his own day, his opponents often respected him, since he was not afraid of taking a line on principle. One point that is often raised in this regard is his line that was displeasing to his liberal friends on the Jewish question (''Die Judenfrage'', 1843).


In this controversial book about the question of Civil Rights for Jews, Bauer asked, how can Jews obtain Civil Rights until Germans themselves obtain Civil Rights?
== Rating today ==
The topic of atheism is a continuing debate in contemporary scholarship about Bruno Bauer. A number of 20th-century references to Bauer believe that he was an atheist. One modern writer, Paul Trejo (2002), makes a case that Bauer remained a radical theologian who criticized specific types of Christianity, and that Bauer maintained a Hegelian interpretation of Christianity throughout his life. Bauer's book, ''Christianity Exposed'' (1843), was after all a mild affair, exposing only one sect of Christian against another.


In 1836, during his early days as a tutor, Bruno Bauer taught a teenage [[Karl Marx]]. Marx later was to turn against Bauer with criticisms in two books, ''The Holy Family'', and, ''The German Ideology''. Marx abandoned him, and the Prussian monarch, [[Friedrich Wilhelm IV]] banned him from holding a professorial post.
Would this be PG-13 or R today if it was rerated by the MPAA?
:No way to tell, but I would guess a PG-13. There are no "f-bombs", and aside from Miss Stein's cleavage, the sexual situations are mostly innuendo. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 19:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


The great bulk of Bauer's writings have still not been translated into English. Only two books by Bauer have been formally translated; a comedic parody, ''The Trumpet of the Last Judgment Against Hegel the Atheist and Antichrist'' (with [[Karl Marx]], 1841, trans. Lawrence Stepelevich, 1989),<ref>[http://www.notbored.org/censor-nonexistence.html quote] from Sanguinetti '75: In 1841, under the pretext of denouncing [[Hegel]] for his atheism, [[Karl Marx|Marx]] and Bauer wrote and published an anonymous pamphlet [''The Trumpet''..] in fact directed against the right-wing Hegelians, but which, in its style and tone, seemed to have been written by a right-wing metaphysician. This pamphlet in reality showed all of the menacing revolutionary traits that the Hegelian dialectic had in that epoch, and was thus the first document to establish the death of metaphysics and, consequently, the "destruction of all of the laws of the State."</ref> and ''Christianity Exposed: A Recollection of the 18th Century and a Contribution to the Crisis of the 19th'' (1843, ed. Paul Trejo, 2002).
== Censorship ==


''The Trumpet'', written by Bauer and published anonymously, was of inspiration to [[Gianfranco Sanguinetti]], for his 1975 pamphlet ''Veritable Report on the Last Chances to Save Capitalism in Italy'', a [[situationist]] prank which caused him to leave Italy under the force of political pressure.<ref>[http://www.notbored.org/censor-nonexistence.html Bauer citation], [http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299604.shtml report of scandal].</ref>
The last time I saw this on TV it was so heavily censored that it lost much of its punch. It would be interesting to comment on the degree to which this movie gets censored. It was a movie that satirized bigotry--to totally censor its indelicate words is to defeat the whole point of the movie in the history of film.


==Blackout link==
==Personality==


On the issue of the Jews, Bauer's attitude toward the Jewish writers of the first century, Philo and Josephus, was one of open admiration. That considered Jewishness in a pure condition, as a nation next to other nations. But his attitude was the reverse according to assimilation and emancipation of Jews in present day European nations. The question, 'how can Jews obtain Civil Rights until Germans themselves obtain Civil Rights?' was answered by him in a principal denial of the possibility of a complete emancipation of Jews in a national and christian based community, even after conversion to christianity, because of their racial and that means their unalterable characteristics. In this way Bauer has to be considered as a forerunner of German anti-Jewish sentiment (his contributions to the ''Staats- und Gesellschaftslexikon'', published by Hermann Wagener, also publisher of the extreme right wing and outspoken antisemitic ''Neue Preussische Zeitung'' (popularly called ''Kreuzzeitung''). However, Bauer distinguished between religion and race, and did not charge Jews with racial inferiority as the Nazi party did, giving the term, antisemitism, its modern meaning. On the contrary, Bauer was convinced that racial mixing generally produced superior cultural results than so-called racial purity.
In the article, the link to "blackout" as an artistic device leads to Blackout(disambiguation), where the user would have to search for exactly what the word "blackout" means. And since there is no article for this, it may be better to just explain it in the article.
:I noticed that, but didn't change it because I'm not familiar with the term "blackout scene." I Googled it, but most of the results referred to a scene in which there are voices but the picture is black. [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] 23:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


The first English-language rendering of Bruno Bauer's career was published in March, 2003 by Douglas Moggach, a professor at the University of Ottawa. His book is entitled, ''The Philosophy and Politics of Bruno Bauer''. Professor Moggach develops a republican interpretation of Bruno Bauer, in which Bauer is portrayed as reaching atheist conclusions because of his political commitments to free self-consciousness and autonomy, and his criticisms of the Restoration union of church and state. Other scholars continue to dispute that portrait.
==Spoiler tag==
I agree with David and Doc that a warning like the spoiler tag in this article was very inappropriate to an encyclopedia. I've removed it. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 04:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
*Their arguments against the spoiler tags are bogus. They care nothing about the readers. I will be adding it back. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 04:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
*: Please assume good faith. That's a really very nasty thing to so. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 04:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
**You have ''no idea'' what's been going on with this. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::May I please remind you to follow [[Wikipedia:Civility|Civility]] and [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|No personal attacks]]. Thank you. &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 04:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::How "civil" is it for a group of editors to decide to screw the readers based on some pretentious notion about what's "encyclopedic"? I hate nannyism, and removing spoiler tags is nannyism, because it pre-empts the readers' choice. There was the comment by one of those characters about the way readers "should be using" wikipedia. ''That's nannyism''. It's ''academic fascism.'' Where do they get off presuming to dictate to the readers how they "should be" using a so-called encyclopedia? ''That is offensive in the extreme.'' Now, cease your lectures about "civility", and focus on making this website better ''for the readers'', not for the inflated egos of nannyistic editors. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 04:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::: You obviously have strongly held opinions on this. Please try to recognise that the "group of editors" you describe also have opinions. "Academic fascism" seems to be pushing it a bit far, when all they're proposing to do is remove a redundant notice under "Plot" that says, in effect, "what follows is details of the plot".
::::: Speaking as an editor, I'm also a reader of this encyclopedia. I don't think much of spoiler warnings, but when I do I think of how ugly and unnecessary they are. I wonder why I would need to be told what I already know: that if I read an encyclopedia article about a fictional narrative, I will discover information about that narrative that I didn't already know. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 05:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Most writeups about movies, "plot summaries", either don't give away the key points of the climax, or if they do, they post a warning or caution or whatever you want to call it, giving them the option of stopping, ''if they want to''. There is no censorship, nothing is hidden. It's just a ''courtesy'' to the reader. ''Why don't you all get that?'' Y'all's obtuseness on that point is just incredible. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 05:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well, as an active member of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Film|Film project]], I'm here to tell you that you are misinformed. Most "writeups" do give away the key points of the film. &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 05:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::So there is no shortage of disrespect toward the readers. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 06:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That's your interpretation. Please don't confuse the internal world of your mind with the external world of reality. &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 06:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Look, we're talking about an encyclopedia article. The article is about a film and the plot is outlined in a section clearly marked "plot". How stupid would the reader have to be to read past the word plot and not expect to read about the plot? --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 06:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::A lot of discussions about movie plots ''don't'' give away the ending. And it's contemptuous of the editor to assume that the reader would somehow naturally expect to see all the film's plot secrets in the writeup. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 06:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Quanitfy: how many don't give away the ending? I've been working on film articles for years. Close to all of them give away the ending. &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 06:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::And why should wikipedia lower itself to the level of those that show contempt for the reader by spilling everything? [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 06:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::You mean like [[Fermat's last theorem]] and [[Mass-energy equivalence|E = mc^2]]? Those editors must be disrespectful for revealing the secrets in the first paragraph! Quick, let's file an arbitration case! &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 06:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::: In any case, it's an [[encyclopedia]]. If the reader doesn't know what to expect of an encyclopedia, he'll learn soon enough. There's no need to splatter these ugly tags all over the encyclopedia on the off-chance that all of our readers are particularly stupid people. --[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] 06:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::If you think this website is really an encyclopedia, you can't have been here very long. [[User:Wahkeenah|Wahkeenah]] 06:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I believe he's been here since 2004 or early 2005. How long have you been here? &mdash;[[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] | [[User talk:Viriditas|Talk]] 06:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Bauer's personality was complex. During his career and even after he died he was difficult to classify. The left-wing tried to define him as one of their own. The right-wing tried to define him as one of their own. He was praised by the right-Hegelians, and he was praised by the left-Hegelians.
==Posher for Kassover==


Bauer had studied directly under the great innovator in philosophy, [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Hegel]]. Hegel had awarded an academic prize to Bauer when Bauer was about 20 years old. [[Hegel]] died when Bruno Bauer was 22 years old. Perhaps this affected Bauer's personality strongly; he may have seen himself as sitting very close to the highest academic post in Prussia and possibly he imagined that he would one day have that post.
I don't know [[Hebrew]], but I do know the Hebrew [[Alef-bet]], at least enough to know that the beadwork on Mel's Indian headdress ''didn't'' say "[[Kosher]] for [[Passover]]", at least not quite. It was obviuous that the kaf and pe were reversed (I probably didn't spell those right), but most trivia collections simply repeat the "Kosher for Passover" thing without comment. This is the '''first''' citation I've ever seen that acknowledges the "error." (And I've always wondered if it was intentional or not.) That's why Wikipedia rokks.[[User:PurpleChez|PurpleChez]] 21:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


When [[Hegel]] unexpectedly died in 1831, possibly of cholera, Bruno Bauer's official connections were drastically reduced. Bauer had very few powerful friends during the academic fallout after Hegel's death.
== Themes and motifs ==


After the publication of his 'The Trumpet' (1841) he was considered as an important representative of the radicals.
I have added an Original Research tag to this section. It reads like it was either ripped off from some film commentary website (without any citation provided), or a film school student simply copy/pasted his essay into the article. I think it should be taken out entirely and re-written from scratch, with proper research citation added. --[[User:Ilyag|Ilyag]] ([[User talk:Ilyag|talk]]) 01:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


The struggle with [[David Strauss]] and especially with the Prussian monarchy had set Bruno Bauer back quite a bit.
== The guy who was originally to play Wilder's part ==
This also affected Bauer's personality.
Did he really have alcoholic tremens himself? Sounds like a myth <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.122.63.142|64.122.63.142]] ([[User talk:64.122.63.142|talk]]) 20:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Bauer went underground and began to write Hegelian newspapers here and there. In this journey he met some socialists, including [[Karl Marx]], his former student, and Marx' new friends, [[Fredrick Engels]] and [[Arnold Ruge]]. They were all left-wing radicals. Bauer was not a left-wing radical, but he was happy to be their leader if it could lead them back to a Hegelian understanding of the dialectic. Another member of those Young Hegelians, [[Max Stirner]], became Bauer's lifelong friend. Stirner was no socialist, on the contrary, he was a radical egoist. Although Bauer was not a radical egoist, he preferred the writings of Stirner to the writings of [[Marx]], [[Engels]] and [[Arnold Ruge|Ruge]].
== "You're sucking on my arm"--citation? ==


Shortly after, [[Marx]] and [[Engels]] broke sharply with Bruno Bauer and attacked him specifically in a critique of one of his works, "On the Jewish Question" and in other books that were critical of various Young Hegelians including Bauer, ''The Holy Family'', and ''The Germany Ideology''.
Right now the article says (in [[Blazing Saddles#Production|"Production"]]),


Bruno Bauer met with Marx again in London in the mid-1850's, while visiting his exiled brother [[Edgar Bauer|Edgar]] there. According to Marx's correspondence with Engels, Bauer presented him with a copy of Hegel's Science of Logic. Marx referred to this volume while completing his drafts of 'Capital'.
{{quotation|When asked in a television interview if anything was so offensive it had to be cut from the movie, however, Mel Brooks confided that one bit between Madeline Kahn and Cleavon Little had to be edited. In the darkened dressing room when Lili asks Bart if it's "twue" what they say about black men and then she says, "It's twue, it's twue!", he cut Bart's punchline of "I'm sorry to disappoint you, miss, but you're sucking on my arm."}}


Suppressed by the right-wing, and now suppressed by the left-wing, the influential Bruno Bauer settled into his family's tobacco shop to work, writing books at night. He never married, and he wrote books for the rest of his life.
I've heard one version or another of that story my whole life (with some people swearing they can actually hear the line ''in the released movie''), but never with any citations. Here, again, the story is just attributed to "a television interview", no dates or names. Google turns up a slew of people who are totally sure they totally heard that story, but again with no data.


==Major works==
I think it's an urban legend. If Brooks actually ''did'' say this, it shouldn't be so hard to find a real cite (I'd think it'd be pretty notorious). So... can anyone offer a citation? If not, I'll take this out in a couple of days. -- [[User:Narsil|Narsil]] ([[User talk:Narsil|talk]]) 23:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
*''Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte des Johannes'' (1840)
*''Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte der Synoptiker'', 2 vols. (1841)
*''Die Posaune des jüngsten Gerichts über Hegel, den Atheisten und Antichristen'' (1841)
*''Die gute Sache der Freiheit und meine eigene Angelegenheit'' (1842)
*''Hegels Lehre von der Religion und Kunst von dem Standpunkte des Glaubens aus beurteilt'' (1842)
*''Das Entdeckte Christentum'' (1843, banned and destroyed, into oblivion until 1927: ed. Barnikol)
*''[[The Jewish Question|Die Judenfrage]]'' (1843) ("The Jewish Question")
*''Geschichte der Politik, Kultur und Aufklärung des 18. Jahrhunderts (1843-45)
*''Geschichte Deutschlands und der französischen Revolution unter der Herrschaft Napoleons'', 2 vols. (1846)
*''Kritik der Evangelien und Geschichte ihres Ursprungs'', 4 vols., 4 suppl. (1850-52)
*''Russland und das Germanentum'' (1853)
*''Philo, Renan und das Urchristentum'' (1864)
*''Christus und die Cäsaren'' (1877)
*''Zur Orientierung über die Bismarck'sche Ära'' (1880)
*''Disraelis romantischer und Bismarcks sozialistischer Imperialismus'' (1882)


==Quotes==
:I don't have a citation other than the DVD commentary, but in the commentary Mel Brooks says (roughly transcribed, about 50 min. 30 secs.):
:''So we had the screening, and Ted Ashley, who was running Warner Brothers, corners me and says "Okay, Mel, great picture - but, you've got to do the following:" (He doesn't know my contract, he doesn't know that I have final cut in my contract) So representing the studio (he runs the studio), he says "here's what we have to do: you've got to take out the word 'nigger.'" I said, "Okay - I've got a pad: 'nigger,' out." "The bean scene: farting, out." He said, "you've got to take out punching the horse; we can't get away with it." I said, "okay, punching the horse is out!" "The scene with Lili von Shtupp and the black sheriff - 'you're sucking my arm,' or something - you've got to take that out. Otherwise I can't release it." And I said "okay, they're all out!" He left, I crumpled up my paper, threw it in the waste paper - I never heard another word from him. We opened, it was a success...''
:[[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] ([[User talk:MFNickster|talk]]) 05:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


: "We save the honor of Jesus when we restore His Person to life from the state of inanity to which the apologists have reduced it, and give it once more a living relation to history, which it certainly possessed." &mdash; Bruno Bauer, SYNOPTIKER, 1840
:: Iiinteresting. I'll hold my fire until I can get Netflix to send me the DVD and I can listen to that. But it strikes me as inconclusive at best. I mean, the producer mentions four things that need to be cut, Brooks says he'll cut them, and three of them stay in. Brooks doesn't seem to be saying "I lied about cutting three, but I gave in on the fourth". So it could be that when the exec said ''" 'you're sucking on my arm', or something"'', he was just vaguely describing the scene ''as it atually showed'' (the "is it twue how you people are gifted, oh, it's twue, it's twue" line), and in that case, too, Brooks said "yeah, sure, I'll cut it" and left it in. After all, the punchline of the story is that Brooks threw away the notes he'd taken--implying he ignored ''all'' the instructions.
:: Like I say, it's hard to tell just from that. If the dialogue is as you describe it, I think the best thing to do would be to just include Brooks' comment as a direct quote from the DVD commentary, attributed as such, and leave it at that. So I'll get ahold of the DVD and listen for myself.
::Thanks much for the pointer! -- [[User:Narsil|Narsil]] ([[User talk:Narsil|talk]]) 07:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


: "Therefore, criticism has to direct itself against itself, and against the mysterious Substance in which it has up to now hid itself. In this way criticism must resolve things such that the development of this Substance drives itself forward to the Universality and Certainty of the Idea of its actual existence, the Eternal Self-consciousness." &mdash; Bruno Bauer, SYNOPTIKER, 1840
I no longer have my copy of the novelization, but I'm pretty sure I read that "arm" joke there for the first time. That probably means it was at least scripted. Anyone have a copy of the paperback that they can check?[[User:Just1thing|Just1thing]] ([[User talk:Just1thing|talk]]) 18:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


: "The pure Christian State is a State in which theological law prevails. This law attains to real power or, to be more exact, absolute power, when through its results which are identical with those of ''opium'', it puts all parts of humanity to sleep. If some occasionally awake they carry out crimes that horrify humanity which has not yet become Christian in the full sense of the word or has already abandoned the Christian framework." &mdash; Bruno Bauer, 1841, THE CHRISTIAN STATE AND OUR TIMES
: I have the novelization handy. Here is the passage, verbatim:
:: ''Lili found her way back to the couch where Bart was sitting, feeling her way along with both hands.
:: ''"Vere are you, my dollink? Let me sit next to you... I have much to talk to you of. Is it twue, schatzi, vot zey say about ze vay you people are gifted?"
:: ''Lili had felt her way back to the couch now, and she flung herself down on Bart.
:: ''"I must find out... must find out... slurp, slurp... oh, oh, it's twue! It's twue, it's twue, it's twue..."
:: ''"Excuse me," said Bart as diplomatically as possible. "I don't want to criticize your technique, and this may have been what you had in mind all the time, but you're sucking my arm."''
: [[User:MFNickster|MFNickster]] ([[User talk:MFNickster|talk]]) 03:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


: "After fulfilling its destructive urge towards everything that is noble and good on earth, it [naive Religion] sketches, in its ''opium'' intoxication, a picture of the future situation, which differs drastically from the order of this world, since everything changes and is renewed." &mdash; Bruno Bauer, 1842, THE GOOD CAUSE OF FREEDOM AND MY OWN CASE
Some Googling indicates pretty conclusively that this tidbit was originally revealed on an episode of ''[[Later_(talk_show)|Later]]'', with Bob Costas, somewhere amongst episodes [http://epguides.com/LaterwithBobCostas/ 521-524]. Good luck tracking down archival footage of that.


: "Reason is the true creative power, for it produces itself as Infinite Self-consciousness, and its ongoing creation is...world history. As the only power that exists, Spirit can therefore be determined by nothing other than itself, that is, its essence is Freedom...Freedom is the infinite power of Spirit...Freedom, the only End of Spirit, is also the only End of History, and history is nothing other than Spirit's becoming *conscious* of its Freedom, or the becoming of Real, Free, Infinite Self-consciousness." &mdash; Bruno Bauer, 1842, HEGEL'S LEHRE VON DER RELIGION UND KUNST VON DEM STANDPUNKTE DES GLAUBENS AUS BEURTEILT, trans. Moggach, 2001
Fortunately, we don't have to. On the ''Blazing Saddles 30th Anniversary Special Edition DVD'', in the documentary special feature ''Back in the Saddle'', at 19:15, Mel Brooks says:
''I did a lot of dirty, crazy things and got them into the movie. The one thing Warner Bros. would not let me put in was a very good joke, really a good joke. A little dirty, a little risque, but really a good joke. There in the dark, Cleavon Little and Madelin Kahn-- Black Bart and Lili Von Shtupp-- are in the dark, and they're obviously making love, and she says-- [cut to film] "Tell me, Schatzie, is it, uh, twue what they say about the way you people are... gifted? (sound of zipper) Oh, it's twue. It's twue. It's twue it's twue!" [cut back to Mel Brooks] And then you hear Cleavon Little say, "I hate to disappoint you ma'am, but you're sucking on my arm".''


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So, there you go. [[User:Clayhalliwell|Clayhalliwell]] ([[User talk:Clayhalliwell|talk]]) 14:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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==External links==
* {{sep entry|bauer|Bruno Bauer|Douglas Moggach}}
* [http://ffrf.org/day/?sel=1&day=6&month=9/ Freedom from Religion Foundation entry]
* [http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/schweitzer/chapter11.html/ The Quest of the Historical Jesus: Chapter 11 Bruno Bauer]

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Bruno Bauer

Bruno Bauer (September 6, 1809April 13, 1882), was a German theologian, philosopher and historian. Bauer investigated the sources of the New Testament and controversially concluded that early Christianity owed more to Greek philosophy (Stoicism) than to Judaism.[citation needed] Starting in 1840, he began a series of controversial works arguing that Jesus was a myth, a second-century fusion of Jewish, Greek, and Roman theology.[1]

Biography

Bauer was the son of a painter in a porcelain factory at Eisenberg in Saxe-Altenburg. He studied directly under G.W.F. Hegel until Hegel died in 1833. Hegel one year awarded the young Bauer an academic prize for a philosophical essay criticizing Immanuel Kant.

Bauer studied at the Friedrich Wilhelm University in Berlin, where he attached himself to the so-called Right Hegelians under Philip Marheineke. In 1834 he began to teach in Berlin as a licentiate of theology, and in 1839 was transferred to the University of Bonn. In 1838 he published his Kritische Darstellung der Religion des Alten Testaments (2 vols.), which shows that at that date he was still faithful to the Hegelian Right. Soon afterwards his opinions underwent a change to the Hegelian left, and in three works, one on the Fourth Gospel, Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte des Johannes (1840), and the other on the Synoptics, Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte der Synoptiker (1841), as well as in his Herr Dr. Hengstenberg. Kritische Briefe über den Gegensatz des Gesetzes und des Evangeliums (1839), he announced his complete rejection of his earlier orthodoxy.

That explains why Bauer was first called a "Right Hegelian" (cf. David Strauss, In Defense of My 'Life of Jesus' Against the Hegelians, 1838) but later is associated with the radical Young Hegelians or "Left Hegelians". Karl Marx was first his friend and pupil, closely working together with him, but later rejected Bruno Bauer from a position even more leftist in two books he wrote along with Frederick Engels in the 1840's.

Bruno Bauer was sent by altenstein to Bonn in order to protect his leftism from the critique of teh Berlin orthodox as well as to win the Bonn university to Hegelianism. However, Bauer instead created many enemies in his new position by openly teaching atheism in his new position as professor of tehology in a pietst dominated university. As he mentioned in his letters, he tried to provoke a scandal, so that the goverment would either give complete freedom of science and teaching to its university professors, or to make its conservative position clear by removing him from his post. Indeed, the goverment asked the theology departments of its universities for an advice. When most of them (with th eexception of teh Hegelian Marheineke) did indeed maintained that a professor of protestant theology should not beallowed to teach his opriest students atheism and Bruno Bauer was not willing to compromise, the Prussian goverment in 1842 revoked Bauer's teaching license and he retired for the rest of his life to Rixdorf, near Berlin.

From then on, he continued to write books on the topics of modern history and politics, as well as in theology. Bauer published Geschichte der Politik, Kultur und Aufklärung des 18ten Jahrhunderts (4 vols. 1843-1845), Geschichte der französischen Revolution (3 vols. 1847), and Disraelis romantischer und Bismarcks socialistischer Imperialismus (1882).

Yet Bauer also retained an interest in Biblical Criticism, especially the historical and literary criticism of the New Testament, with his critical works: 'A Critique of the Gospels and a History of their Origin,' Kritik der Evangelien und Geschichte ihres Ursprungs (1850-1852), and, 'A Critique of the Pauline Epistles,' Kritik der paulinischen Briefe (1850-1852). His final book, 'Christ and the Caesars', Christus und die Caesaren (1877) was Bauer's final effort to justify Hegel's position that Christian theology owes at least as much to Greco-Roman literature as it owes to Jewish literature.

Bruno Bauer died at Rixdorf in 1882. His younger brother, Edgar, was a German journalist.

Conflict with David Strauss

Shortly after the death of Hegel, another writer, David Strauss, who had been a student of Hegel and the first one to teach students Hegels philosophy in Tuebingen, wrote a controversial book which is now famous, entitled, The Life of Jesus Critically Examined (1835). What engendered immediate conflict with Bruno Bauer was that David Strauss claimed to speak for the Hegelians.

In the year of its publication, Strauss' book, The Life of Jesus, raised a storm of controversy. In that year, also, the Prussian king, Friedrich Wilhelm IV, maintained a tighter control of the Prussian University system, and he personally favored an ultra-conservative approach to the Bible. So, he objected to David Strauss, and he also decided that the Hegel school must consist of trouble-makers.

Bruno Bauer was one of the authors to refute and rebuff David Strauss in the Hegelian "Journal für wissenschaftliche Kritik". He showed that Strauss misrepresented Hegel, that Strauss own position differed from Hegel's and demonstrated that David Strauss' so-called dialectic was taken from Schleiermacher (who had been antagonistic to Hegel).

In 1938 David Strauss, whose book had become a best-seller, and was sold widely throughout Europe, published a rebuttal to Bruno Bauer in a pamphlet entitled, In Defense of my Life of Jesus against the Hegelians. In that book Strauss admitted that his position could not be found word by word in Hegel's lectures, but were within the range of conclusions one could draw from applying Hegelian principles to the subject.

In that book, David Strauss was the first one to divide the Hegelian school into three parties, according to their relation to orthodox christian theology: Right Hegelian would defend all positions of orthodox christian theology, claiming that both could be in perfect harmony, Left Hegelian would place science and philosophy above theology, taking that side when in doubt, and Centrist Hegelian who would try to honour both the rationality of theological thinking as well as the freedom of scientific criticl thought. He then claimed that Bruno Bauer was - at that time - a right-wing Hegelian (as Bauer had just attacked him from that position, see above), and that he himself was a left-wing Hegelian. And that was his answer. He ended his book with an added insult to Bruno Bauer's criticism, calling it a "foolish bit of pen-pushing."

For the rest of his life, Bauer continued to be highly critical towards David Strauss.

For example, when Bauer was middle-aged, a youthful Friedrich Nietzsche came to visit him, seeking advice from a well-known author (because Bruno Bauer did remain well-read during his lifetime). Bauer encouraged Nietzsche to criticize David Strauss, and in that early period, that is exactly what young Nietzsche did. They parted ways, though, when Nietzsche tired of that topic and moved sideways into the books of Arthur Schopenhauer.

Literary controversy

Bauer's criticism of the New Testament was highly deconstructive. David Strauss, in his Life of Jesus, had accounted for the Gospel narratives as half-conscious products of the mythic instinct in the early Christian communities. Bauer ridiculed Strauss's notion that a community could produce a connected narrative. His own contention, embodying a theory of Christian Gottlob Wilke (Der Urevangelist, 1838), was that the original narrative was the Gospel of Mark.

For Bruno Bauer, the Gospel of Mark was completed in the reign of Hadrian (where its prototype, the 'Ur-Marcus,' identifiable within the Gospel of Mark by a critical analysis, was begun around the time of Josephus and the Roman-Jewish Wars). Bauer, like other advocates of this 'Marcan Hypothesis', affirmed that all the other Gospel narratives used the Gospel of Mark as their model within their writing communities.

In 1906 Albert Schweitzer wrote that Bauer "originally sought to defend the honor of Jesus by rescuing his reputation from the inane parody of a biography that the Christian apologists had forged." However, he eventually came to the conclusion that it was a complete fiction and "regarded the Gospel of Mark not only as the first narrator, but even as the creator of the gospel history, thus making the latter a fiction and Christianity the invention of a single original evangelist" (Otto Pfleiderer).

Although Bauer did investigate the 'Ur-Marcus,' it was his remarks on the current version of the Gospel of Mark that captured popular attention. In particular, some key themes in the Gospel of Mark appeared to be literary. TheMessianic Secret theme, in which Jesus continually performed wonders and then continually told the viewers not to tell anybody that he did this, seemed to Bauer to be an example of fiction. If the Messianic Secret is a fiction, Bauer wrote, then the redactor who added that theme was probably the final redactor of our current version of the Gospel of Mark. In 1901, Wilhelm Wrede would make his lasting fame by repeating many of Bauer's ideas in his book, The Messianic Secret.

Also, for some influential theologians in the Tubingen School, several Pauline epistles were regarded as forgeries of the 2nd century. Bauer agreed with some of their conclusions and added his own, penetrating theological analyses. For example, he suggested, the Pauline epistles were written in the West in antagonism to the Paul of The Acts. Bauer observed a preponderance of the Greco-Roman element, over and above the Jewish element, in Christian writings, and he added a wealth of historical background to support his theory; though modern scholars such as E. P. Sanders and John P. Meier have disputed this theory and attempted to demonstrate a mainly Jewish historical background. Other authors, such as Rudolf Bultmann, tended to agree that a Greco-Roman element was dominant.

According to Bruno Bauer, the writer of Mark's gospel was "an Italian, at home both in Rome and Alexandria"; that of Matthew's gospel "a Roman, nourished by the spirit of Seneca"; Christianity is essentially "Stoicism triumphant in a Jewish garb."

It is obvious that Mark is a Roman name, not a Jewish name. What Bruno Bauer added was a deep review of European literature in the first century. In his estimation, many key themes of the New Testament, especially those that are opposed to themes in the Old Testament, can be found with relative ease in Greco-Roman literature that flourished during the first century. Such a position was also maintained by some Jewish scholars.

Bauer's final book, Christ and the Caesars (1877) offers a penetrating analysis that shows common key-words in the words of first-century writers like Seneca the Stoic and New Testament texts. While this had been perceived even in ancient times, the ancient explanation was that Seneca 'must have been' a secret Christian. Bruno Bauer was perhaps the first to attempt to carefully demonstrate that some New Testament writers freely borrowed from Seneca the Stoic. One modern explanation is that common cultures share common thought-forms and common patterns of speech; that similarities do not necessarily indicate borrowing.

In Christ and the Caesars, Bauer argued that Judaism entered Rome during the era of the Maccabees, and increased in population and influence in Rome since that time. He cited literature from the first century to strengthen his case that Jewish influence in Rome was far greater than historians had yet reported. The Imperial throne was influenced by the Jewish religious genius, he said, citing Herod's relation with the Caesar family, as well as the famous relationship between Josephus and the Flavians, Vespasian and Titus, and also one of the poems of Horace.

According to Bruno Bauer, Julius Caesar sought to interpret his own life as an Oriental miracle story, and Augustus Caesar completed that job by commissioning Virgil to write his Aeneid, making Caesar into the Son of Venus and a relative of the Trojans, thereby justifying the Roman conquest of Greece and insinuating Rome into a much older history.

By contrast, said Bauer, Vespasian was far more fortunate, since he had Josephus himself to link his reign with an Oriental miracle. Josephus had prophesied that Vespasian would become Emperor of Rome and thus ruler of the world. This actually happened, and in this way the Roman conquest of Judea was justified and insinuated Rome into an even older history.

According to Albert Schweitzer, who claimed to be a Christian[citation needed], Bruno Bauer's criticisms of the New Testament provided the most interesting questions about the historical Jesus that he had seen. Schweitzer's own theology was partly based on Bauer's writings.

This line of criticism has value in emphasizing the importance of studying the influence of environment in the formation of the Christian Scriptures. Bauer was a man of restless creativity, interdisciplinary activity and independent judgment. Many reviewers have charged that Bauer's judgment was ill-balanced, but history has barely begun to review his life. It is not surprising, given the institutional response to his ideas. Due to the controversial nature of his work as a social theorist, theologian and historian, Bauer was banned from public teaching by a Prussian monarch. After many years of similar censorship, Bauer came to resign himself to his place as a free-lance critic, rather than as an official teacher.

Douglas Moggach published The Philosophy and Politics of Bruno Bauer in 2003. This is the most comprehensive overview of Bauer's life and works, in English to date. Bauer's biography has obtained more kindly reviews these days, even by opponents. In his own day, his opponents often respected him, since he was not afraid of taking a line on principle. One point that is often raised in this regard is his line that was displeasing to his liberal friends on the Jewish question (Die Judenfrage, 1843).

In this controversial book about the question of Civil Rights for Jews, Bauer asked, how can Jews obtain Civil Rights until Germans themselves obtain Civil Rights?

The topic of atheism is a continuing debate in contemporary scholarship about Bruno Bauer. A number of 20th-century references to Bauer believe that he was an atheist. One modern writer, Paul Trejo (2002), makes a case that Bauer remained a radical theologian who criticized specific types of Christianity, and that Bauer maintained a Hegelian interpretation of Christianity throughout his life. Bauer's book, Christianity Exposed (1843), was after all a mild affair, exposing only one sect of Christian against another.

In 1836, during his early days as a tutor, Bruno Bauer taught a teenage Karl Marx. Marx later was to turn against Bauer with criticisms in two books, The Holy Family, and, The German Ideology. Marx abandoned him, and the Prussian monarch, Friedrich Wilhelm IV banned him from holding a professorial post.

The great bulk of Bauer's writings have still not been translated into English. Only two books by Bauer have been formally translated; a comedic parody, The Trumpet of the Last Judgment Against Hegel the Atheist and Antichrist (with Karl Marx, 1841, trans. Lawrence Stepelevich, 1989),[2] and Christianity Exposed: A Recollection of the 18th Century and a Contribution to the Crisis of the 19th (1843, ed. Paul Trejo, 2002).

The Trumpet, written by Bauer and published anonymously, was of inspiration to Gianfranco Sanguinetti, for his 1975 pamphlet Veritable Report on the Last Chances to Save Capitalism in Italy, a situationist prank which caused him to leave Italy under the force of political pressure.[3]

Personality

On the issue of the Jews, Bauer's attitude toward the Jewish writers of the first century, Philo and Josephus, was one of open admiration. That considered Jewishness in a pure condition, as a nation next to other nations. But his attitude was the reverse according to assimilation and emancipation of Jews in present day European nations. The question, 'how can Jews obtain Civil Rights until Germans themselves obtain Civil Rights?' was answered by him in a principal denial of the possibility of a complete emancipation of Jews in a national and christian based community, even after conversion to christianity, because of their racial and that means their unalterable characteristics. In this way Bauer has to be considered as a forerunner of German anti-Jewish sentiment (his contributions to the Staats- und Gesellschaftslexikon, published by Hermann Wagener, also publisher of the extreme right wing and outspoken antisemitic Neue Preussische Zeitung (popularly called Kreuzzeitung). However, Bauer distinguished between religion and race, and did not charge Jews with racial inferiority as the Nazi party did, giving the term, antisemitism, its modern meaning. On the contrary, Bauer was convinced that racial mixing generally produced superior cultural results than so-called racial purity.

The first English-language rendering of Bruno Bauer's career was published in March, 2003 by Douglas Moggach, a professor at the University of Ottawa. His book is entitled, The Philosophy and Politics of Bruno Bauer. Professor Moggach develops a republican interpretation of Bruno Bauer, in which Bauer is portrayed as reaching atheist conclusions because of his political commitments to free self-consciousness and autonomy, and his criticisms of the Restoration union of church and state. Other scholars continue to dispute that portrait.

Bauer's personality was complex. During his career and even after he died he was difficult to classify. The left-wing tried to define him as one of their own. The right-wing tried to define him as one of their own. He was praised by the right-Hegelians, and he was praised by the left-Hegelians.

Bauer had studied directly under the great innovator in philosophy, Hegel. Hegel had awarded an academic prize to Bauer when Bauer was about 20 years old. Hegel died when Bruno Bauer was 22 years old. Perhaps this affected Bauer's personality strongly; he may have seen himself as sitting very close to the highest academic post in Prussia and possibly he imagined that he would one day have that post.

When Hegel unexpectedly died in 1831, possibly of cholera, Bruno Bauer's official connections were drastically reduced. Bauer had very few powerful friends during the academic fallout after Hegel's death.

After the publication of his 'The Trumpet' (1841) he was considered as an important representative of the radicals.

The struggle with David Strauss and especially with the Prussian monarchy had set Bruno Bauer back quite a bit. This also affected Bauer's personality.

Bauer went underground and began to write Hegelian newspapers here and there. In this journey he met some socialists, including Karl Marx, his former student, and Marx' new friends, Fredrick Engels and Arnold Ruge. They were all left-wing radicals. Bauer was not a left-wing radical, but he was happy to be their leader if it could lead them back to a Hegelian understanding of the dialectic. Another member of those Young Hegelians, Max Stirner, became Bauer's lifelong friend. Stirner was no socialist, on the contrary, he was a radical egoist. Although Bauer was not a radical egoist, he preferred the writings of Stirner to the writings of Marx, Engels and Ruge.

Shortly after, Marx and Engels broke sharply with Bruno Bauer and attacked him specifically in a critique of one of his works, "On the Jewish Question" and in other books that were critical of various Young Hegelians including Bauer, The Holy Family, and The Germany Ideology.

Bruno Bauer met with Marx again in London in the mid-1850's, while visiting his exiled brother Edgar there. According to Marx's correspondence with Engels, Bauer presented him with a copy of Hegel's Science of Logic. Marx referred to this volume while completing his drafts of 'Capital'.

Suppressed by the right-wing, and now suppressed by the left-wing, the influential Bruno Bauer settled into his family's tobacco shop to work, writing books at night. He never married, and he wrote books for the rest of his life.

Major works

  • Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte des Johannes (1840)
  • Kritik der evangelischen Geschichte der Synoptiker, 2 vols. (1841)
  • Die Posaune des jüngsten Gerichts über Hegel, den Atheisten und Antichristen (1841)
  • Die gute Sache der Freiheit und meine eigene Angelegenheit (1842)
  • Hegels Lehre von der Religion und Kunst von dem Standpunkte des Glaubens aus beurteilt (1842)
  • Das Entdeckte Christentum (1843, banned and destroyed, into oblivion until 1927: ed. Barnikol)
  • Die Judenfrage (1843) ("The Jewish Question")
  • Geschichte der Politik, Kultur und Aufklärung des 18. Jahrhunderts (1843-45)
  • Geschichte Deutschlands und der französischen Revolution unter der Herrschaft Napoleons, 2 vols. (1846)
  • Kritik der Evangelien und Geschichte ihres Ursprungs, 4 vols., 4 suppl. (1850-52)
  • Russland und das Germanentum (1853)
  • Philo, Renan und das Urchristentum (1864)
  • Christus und die Cäsaren (1877)
  • Zur Orientierung über die Bismarck'sche Ära (1880)
  • Disraelis romantischer und Bismarcks sozialistischer Imperialismus (1882)

Quotes

"We save the honor of Jesus when we restore His Person to life from the state of inanity to which the apologists have reduced it, and give it once more a living relation to history, which it certainly possessed." — Bruno Bauer, SYNOPTIKER, 1840
"Therefore, criticism has to direct itself against itself, and against the mysterious Substance in which it has up to now hid itself. In this way criticism must resolve things such that the development of this Substance drives itself forward to the Universality and Certainty of the Idea of its actual existence, the Eternal Self-consciousness." — Bruno Bauer, SYNOPTIKER, 1840
"The pure Christian State is a State in which theological law prevails. This law attains to real power or, to be more exact, absolute power, when through its results which are identical with those of opium, it puts all parts of humanity to sleep. If some occasionally awake they carry out crimes that horrify humanity which has not yet become Christian in the full sense of the word or has already abandoned the Christian framework." — Bruno Bauer, 1841, THE CHRISTIAN STATE AND OUR TIMES
"After fulfilling its destructive urge towards everything that is noble and good on earth, it [naive Religion] sketches, in its opium intoxication, a picture of the future situation, which differs drastically from the order of this world, since everything changes and is renewed." — Bruno Bauer, 1842, THE GOOD CAUSE OF FREEDOM AND MY OWN CASE
"Reason is the true creative power, for it produces itself as Infinite Self-consciousness, and its ongoing creation is...world history. As the only power that exists, Spirit can therefore be determined by nothing other than itself, that is, its essence is Freedom...Freedom is the infinite power of Spirit...Freedom, the only End of Spirit, is also the only End of History, and history is nothing other than Spirit's becoming *conscious* of its Freedom, or the becoming of Real, Free, Infinite Self-consciousness." — Bruno Bauer, 1842, HEGEL'S LEHRE VON DER RELIGION UND KUNST VON DEM STANDPUNKTE DES GLAUBENS AUS BEURTEILT, trans. Moggach, 2001

Notes

  1. ^ Durant, Will. Caesar and Christ. New York: Simon and Schuster. 1972
  2. ^ quote from Sanguinetti '75: In 1841, under the pretext of denouncing Hegel for his atheism, Marx and Bauer wrote and published an anonymous pamphlet [The Trumpet..] in fact directed against the right-wing Hegelians, but which, in its style and tone, seemed to have been written by a right-wing metaphysician. This pamphlet in reality showed all of the menacing revolutionary traits that the Hegelian dialectic had in that epoch, and was thus the first document to establish the death of metaphysics and, consequently, the "destruction of all of the laws of the State."
  3. ^ Bauer citation, report of scandal.

External links

  • Douglas Moggach. "Bruno Bauer". In Zalta, Edward N. (ed.). Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
  • Freedom from Religion Foundation entry
  • The Quest of the Historical Jesus: Chapter 11 Bruno Bauer

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