User talk:MacRusgail/Archive 1

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Barnstar

I, V. Molotov, hereby give you this barnstar for participation in VfDs.

Molotov (talk) 21:14, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. First time I've been decorated. --MacRusgail 15:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Minor Barnstar

In recognition of your many good minor edits. Reyk 22:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks! --MacRusgail 22:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

• My pleasure. You deserve it. Reyk 23:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Dwelly project

Category:Dwelly This category is for articles incorporating text from “Dwelly’s [Scottish] Gaelic Dictionary” (1911) by Edward Dwelly, from that dictionary's encyclopedic entries (rather than just definitions). Where possible/suitable, an English translation is used as the title:

Done (22/03/06)

Aoghairean, Aois-dàna, Brownie (elf) (Uruisg), Canntaireachd, Ciud-siorraig, Clann-an-oistir, Clay-body (Corp-creadha), Còmhla-bhigein, Crann-nan-gad, Crois-iarna (Iron Cross is taken), Crom Dubh (Crum-dubh), Cuirm, Daugh (Dabhach), Druids' glass (Gloine), Druineach, Foot plough (Cas-chrom etc), Force-fire (Tein'-eigin), Half-foot, Lavellan (Labh-allan), liaghra], Long Èireannach, Lèine bhàn, MacGillonie (Sguaban-stothaidh), Matron's badge (Bréid), Muc-sheilch, Ounceland (Unga, Peighinn etc), Oxgang (do.), Pennyland (do.), Religion of the Yellow Stick (Creideamh...), Scottish Gaelic personal naming system (names appendix), Slinneanachd, Sunwise (deiseal), Taghairm, Traditional dyes of the Scottish Highlands (dath), Tulchan (Tulachan), Wonder tuft (Tom-an-ioghnaidh)

Also incorporating some text from Dwelly

• Coracle + Currach (Curach), Drinking horn (Corn), Friday (Di-haoine), Sunwise (Deiseil),

To do

• Aurora borealis (Na fir-chlis), bauk (leum-iochd), Cairn (Carn), Crofter (croitear), Fallaid, faoilteach (+ Faoilleach), gradan, muileann-bra (English title), posting (postadh), poit dubh, propataireachd

Additional

Improve Edward Dwelly's biography.

Irish Scots

I see you you created that Irish-Scot Category. Not sure if you are interested but there is a discussion as whether or not to keep it or delete it. Gunniog should have informed you of this but as he hasnt I thought I would, see here for further information--Vintagekits 19:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:SCOWNB Participants merger with WP:SCO

As I hope you may have seen I am attempting to tidy up WP:SCOWNB by removing old notices and the duplication that has emerged since the creation of WP:SCO. One of the latter issues is that there are lists of active Wikipedians on both locations which overlap to a significant degree. As WP:SCOWNB is ideally a place for announcements I am in process of merging the lists at WP:SCO and intend to remove the one at WP:SCOWNB when this is complete. However there are a fair number of Users not on both lists. If you do not wish to have you current WP:SCOWNB entry re-appear at WP:SCO please either let me know or edit the latter as appropriate. Thanks for your patience, and continuing support of matters relating to WikiProject Scotland. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Pentland Hills Picture

I'm wondering where [1] was taken from. Am I right in thinking it is from the Midlothian/Borders side rather than from the north? Either way, an image summary, so an accurate caption can be given whenever it is used, would be useful. So I'd be grateful if you could add one, both for the sake of captionign and because it'd bugging me not knowing Lurker ^oi! 14:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It was taken off what I think was the A702 road which runs on the east. The layby was between Silverburn and Hillend, so that would make it the north end, although, not looking onto the end of the range, as you would in Edinburgh.--MacRusgail 18:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Norsefire.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Norsefire.jpg. The image has been

Islands

Thanks for your additional section. I have undertaken a revision that avoids implying that islands with bridges etc. are no longer 'islands'. There has been some discussion along these lines at both the relevant talk page and also Template talk:Infobox Scottish island. It's fairly crucial to have some consistency as both the list and template use ranks for area which gets complicated if, for example, Benbecula is no longer treated as an island. The working definition is: 'land that is surrounded by seawater on a daily basis, but not necessarily at all stages of the tide, excluding human devices such as bridges and causeways.' This definition enables us to still call Skye an island. I have list of about 24 islands not in Haswell-Smith's 'list by area' which are connected by bridges etc. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC) PS Thanks also for tidying up the Gaelic on various other isles. I wonder if you would you care to comment on 'Gaelic Spellings' at Talk:St Kilda, Scotland. (See also my talk page for more in this vein).

St Kildan House name

Are you sure the spelling should be 'taigh'. Quine uses 'tigh' as does the 'Revised Nomination for inclusion in the World Heritage Site List' [2]. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

St Kilda

Do you know of any academic papers or linguistic studies on the Gaelic of St Kilda? Deireann tú go bhfuil ard-Ghaelainn agat. Cé chomh maith is athá sí agat? Dá bhféadfaí teacht ar leaganacha bunaidh Gàidhlig na logainmneacha i Hiort, b'fhearrde an t-alt iad, measaim. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 20:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Chan eil mi eolach air fear. Is mor am beud. --MacRusgail 14:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Anglo-Scottish border

Hi. I was interested to see that you reverted my spelling correction of "humourous" to "humorous" (under my AWB account, User:Spellmaster) in this article with the edit summary "rv NB Humourous is actually a correct spelling". In fact, the latter spelling is the correct form in all dialects of English. See User:Spellmaster for details. Thanks for caring about the details of spelling, best wishes --Guinnog 21:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

"HumOURous" is an acceptable variant - See here. Many English words such as "czar" have a number of variants which are acceptable across national varieties. --MacRusgail 13:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Humourous is not an acceptable variant, and dictionary.com is not a good resource for spelling. See Wikipedia_talk:Typo/Archive_1#Dictionary.com for an archived copy of a centralised discussion of this from last August. Here and here are two other discussions, and here is Oxford Dictionaries' view. Here is Oxford listing "humourous" as an error to be avoided (along with "honourary"). Essentially, dictionary.com seems to be the only source for this spelling being correct in the modern era. I noticed some time ago how prevalent the spelling error was on Wikipedia (and almost nowhere else in the world) and have been working on correcting it ever since. Every few months I do a trawl through articles using Google and replace ou with o. I am Scottish and was brought up with Commonwealth English spelling; I applaud you for standing up for national varieties of English, but I assure you this isn't the case here. Best wishes, --Guinnog 14:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Why not just use funny and avoid the problem? Truthanado 05:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

"Funny" is POV. --Guinnog 06:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

"Funny" can mean "amusing", "unintentionally funny", or "odd". Humour implies that it is intended to be funny, even if it isn't.

Scottish place names in the USA

It's an interesting article you created. I'm sure other Wikipedians will add to it once they realize it is there. I live in New York State and I can't believe there are no Scottish place names in NY. There are plenty of English and Irish Gaelic, but I haven't been able to find any Scottish ones. That's either amazing or I am missing the boat. Truthanado 05:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

There will be. As you appreciate, the USA has a vast population, so I concentrated on some of the less populous states to begin with. Then I tried to get at least one example per state. New England seems to be the hardest to get much out of, because many of the original settlers were Dutch and English, and Hawaii is also difficult, as many of the names are native. --MacRusgail 17:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Red Westerns

Hi MacRusgail, why did you just revert my change to Ostern? The phrase I removed, "to maintain their country" implied both a greater Red than Basmachi ownership of/right to the area, and also a solidly established country that the Bolsheviks were defending. IMHO, both are POV and inaccurate. How about "the Red Army was presented as fighting to maintain its country"? Moyabrit 23:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Because I don't believe it necessarily means that. But anyway - How about "the Red Army was presented as trying to consolidate the victorious Bolshevik Revolution"? --MacRusgail 16:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Mont Ross

Hi MacRusgail, I noticed that you changed the photo in Mont Ross. However, in a small article like this, it is better to add another photo instead of merely replacing the only photo. I have put the deleted image back in the article. Thanks. --Seattle Skier (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

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Little England Beyond Wales

As someone brought up & living in Haverfordwest, I can certainly attest to the existence of "Little England". The Preseli mountains to the North provide a natural 'wilderness' separating North from South, and the industrial nature of Milford Haven / Pembroke Dock saw the immigration of many workers to the several Oil refineries and power generating facilities here in the 1970s (including my own family). A large number of the immigrant workers chose to retire here, having never learnt Welsh leading to reinforcement of that North / South divide.

Neil in wales 18:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Cornwall

Some very interesting facts to be found in those links - thanks. My impression had been that Cornish nationalism as a fairly modern invention (or perhaps revival would be a more appropriate description) made its claims to being seperate from England proper mainly based upon their historically distinct language and culture alone both of which are, of course, irrelevant with regard to whether or not it is a part of England. Im quite happy to admit to being in the wrong. siarach 09:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Fettes College

It makes little sense to delete just two years of academic results. It would be better to delete all the academic results - but that just leaves the material about a former headmaster, drugs etc. Surely leaving the academic results in gives a bit more balance? Dormskirk 21:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

No it doesn't leave any "balance". What you put in was basically advertising. My problem is that I know a little too much about how these schools massage their exam figures. For one, they poach all the bright pupils from the state sector to boost the figures, and give them scholarships, and for another, they exclude certain people from sitting exams (usually the rich, thick ones who pay the fees!)--MacRusgail 11:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. My point now is basically just a drafting point: taking your comment at face value the same point could apply to the other results listed. How about the following:

• leave the 1998 & 1999 comments as drafted
• amend the 2001 comment to read "In 2001 Fettes was declared "Scottish School of the year" by the Sunday Times"
• delete the comments for 2002, 2003 and 2004
• Insert a new comment "Fettes is regularly placed first in the list of Scottish Independent Schools by the Sunday Times"

In column inches this would be less "advertising" than currently appears. Dormskirk 20:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

stubs for South Georgia & tSSI

Hi MacR - you've done it again :) Thanks almost entirely to your efforts, there is now a separate stub category for Category:South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands geography stubs. (BTW, it was while dealing with this new category that I came across the Whaling stations category that we're currently wrangling over at CFD). Grutness...wha? 01:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Private Schools in Glasgow

Just wondering about why you are removing the category about Private Schools in Glasgow to just schools. Is this a wikipedia wide thing or just something you have decided? I’m not disputing the edit, just wondering why/how it is happening. Coolmark18 19:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. "Private schools in Glasgow" was a new category I created, and I put it in two categories "Private schools in Scotland" & "Schools in Glasgow". --MacRusgail 15:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot

Hi MacRusgail/Archive 1, as a WikiProject Scotland participant, please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false results for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :)   This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 01:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Dyke Island

After a quick google search, I nominated this article for deletion as an obvious high-school hoax. After a slightly more thorough google search, I withdrew the AfD. You have brought two minutes of joy into my otherwise joyless life, and I thank you. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Penguin

Hi. I took your statement about Auks and convergent evolution back out of the penguin article; "Considered by some" is weasel words - a statement like that would need to cite a source. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 22:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I took it out again. I know you think it's important - I'm sure you're right. Wikipedia's policy is that entries in articles must be verifiable. The policy is here: WP:Verifiability. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 18:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

And I've put it in again. If a bloody academic paper isn't "verifiable" what is? No one's completely been able to prove evolution, but there's still an article on that too.--MacRusgail 19:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologise - I hadn't spotted that it had references with it this time. I've reformatted the references. I think the academic paper is more than sufficient so that was the only reference of the three that I left in - I hope that's OK. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 19:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Kelping

I just noticed that you added a section on "Kelp in history and culture" to the Kelp article. This is a fascinating story I'd been thinking about adding myself one of these days. I wanted to mention that I don't think it was iodine that those kelpers were collecting: it was soda ash. Kelp was a poor way to get it, but the British were trying to avoid importing barilla (another, better source of soda ash) from Spain. One reason - probably the main reason - the price of soda ash declined was the advent of the LeBlanc process for synthesizing soda ash. The story is pretty much in the Clow reference I put in this article some time ago.EAS 15:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right. It was a dreadful time in Scottish history - people who were cleared off their land in Northern Scotland were given this to do, because other than fishing there was no other employment, and then the industry collapsed. But I thought that it was worth putting in the references about the Highlanders and Falklanders. There's probably more - plenty of supposedly insignificant plants have cultural/historical associations.

Here's one interpretation though the website looks a bit touristy -

"One industry expanded hugely, while Britain was at war with France. Kelp was being harvested in huge quantities for the alkali that the ash produced. For a landowner on the coast kelp had two main advantages, it was labour intensive, and most of the profits stayed in the landowners hands. It was a more socially desirable industry than sheep farming as sheep farming required a complete reorganisation of the land, and eviction of tenants as little labour was needed. Both kelp and sheep farming brought higher rents."

--MacRusgail 15:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Right. I think the effects on the Western Isles were also profound; I read somewhere that kelping led to a population increase there that was unsupportable when the kelping industry collapsed. I'll guess the Falkland Islanders were getting some of their hard currency by trading in soda ash also. Anyway, if you like I'll make a simple edit to change "iodine" to "soda ash."EAS 17:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

That's probably better. I think the problem wasn't a population increase, so much as too many people trying to live off it. It worked to begin with, but not later on. In the 19th century, they also had a potato famine which didn't help either - and the British Empire wanted people to move to the colonies, lots of push-pull factors in other words.--MacRusgail 18:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Eilean nan Ròn

Thanks for the note. I saw the warning at the head of the article and double checked before uploading the image. Place names are always a bit of a banana skin for the unwary Highlands and Islands adventurer :) Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 19:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was thinking of creating an article for the other one, but I wasn't sure if it was the right one. I'd have to look on a map. By the way, I've taken your lead, and uploaded some images from geograph on St Kilda etc. Took me a while to work out how you did it, so I wouldn't get the copyright bot chasing me etc... --MacRusgail 20:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep, Geograph is an invaluable resource for images related to UK places. Sometimes there is a free lunch :) --Cactus.man ✍ 23:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Berwick

That's a good photo of the Elizabethan walls, but I wondered if you should not have said that? Also, correct me if I am wrong, but in the ajudication by Edward 1st at Berwick, de Bruce was only one of several competitors, and I thought it was The Bruce's father who was the claimant. Is that not so? Regards, David Lauder 17:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi David, I was mainly going by what the placard itself says. --MacRusgail 16:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

p.s. You're right, I think it is his father, and he was one of several claimants.

Name inversion

Re Christian Hebraist, I think inverting the names serves no function. At best the convention of surname first confuses search engines; here in an alphabetised list I really don't see it has value. Charles Matthews 18:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The names on the original list were inverted, that's why I've left that. In one or two cases, the surname is actually last. Which is another problem. --MacRusgail 18:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I suggest not inverting. It's an academic convention we can well do without. Charles Matthews 18:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Prospect 100 best modern Scottish buildings

Hello, as a courtesy I wanted to let you know I have nominated a category which you recently created, Category:Prospect 100 best modern Scottish buildings, for deletion. You may participate in the discussion at CfD; please make any comments on the proposal there. -choster 19:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Really? - this one slipped by me... --MacRusgail 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Loch Earn

You edited saying Loch Eireann meant "Loch of Ireland" not "Loch of the Irish". That's of course correct, but thought you'd be interested to know there is a hill loch in the hills just to the West of Lochearnhead called Lochan an Eireannaich. Not sure if that name dates from the same time as Loch Earn, or has the same roots. But there you go.

Gartnait 00:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Gall-ghàidhealaibh

Nár chóir síneadh fada a bheith ar an gcéad 'a' in Gall-ghaidhealaibh? Do thugas fé ndeár go bhfuil sé in easnamh san alt i dtaobh 'Galloway'

Shouldn't there be an accent on the first 'a' in Gall-ghaidhealaibh? I noticed that it is missing in the article about 'Galloway'. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 11:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Air an darna "a", 's docha, mar sin - "Gall-Ghàidhealaibh"--MacRusgail 15:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Translating pages using translation software

Hello, if you use translation software to translate a page like you did with Flora and fauna of the Kerguelen Islands, when you translated from the French wikipedia, can you please make sure the content makes sense and does not contain any untranslated words. For example the phrase As much the terrestrial vegetation is developed little, as much the marine flora is exuberant, in French the word "exubérant" can mean "exuberant" but in this case it meant "flourishing". Even without speaking French you can tell because plants are incapable of emotion. You can ask on Wikipedia:Translation, if you need help translating or proof reading. Jackaranga 01:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What sort of cleanup does Cerebus the Aardvark need?

Back in March, You tagged Cerebus the Aardvark with Template:tidy, indicating that you feel it needs "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards." It's not clear exactly what you think needs improvement, so it's hard to improve or even determine if edits since that have made suitable improvements. Would you be so kind as to provide some more detaisl and perhaps example at Talk:Cerebus the Aardvark? Thanks. — Alan De Smet | Talk 15:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Catacol Whitebeams et al

		The Special Barnstar
		For your many contributions to improving articles about Scottish islands Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

A history of Stonewall.

Cheer up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScH0BldD1AQ&mode=related&search= Enzedbrit 04:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Isleornsay

Re the above having 'become part of Skye due to a combination of natural and artificial processes' - are you sure? If anything it should surely be the island of Ornsay istelf, not the village? Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguous links

Your recent edits to many Falkland Islands-related articles included links to the page Spanish, which is a disambiguation page. This type of page is intended to direct users to more specific topics. Ordinarily we try to avoid creating links to disambiguation pages, since it is preferable to link directly to the specific topic relevant to the context. In future articles, you may wish to link to Spanish language or another article, depending on the context. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. --Russ (talk) 13:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Historic Houses in Scotland

I wondered if you and any of the 'Scottish team' were aware that a "discussion" had taken place regarding this title and the decision taken to rename it "Houses in Scotland". Personally I find such a decision beyond comprehension. Is there some way this can be appealed? David Lauder 21:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

totally agree. --MacRusgail 15:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Clàrsach

I've just added some headings to the above article and shuffled the text around but I've left the Cleanup tag you inserted in place. I'm not sure what you consider needs to be done before it can be removed. Could you leave a note here or on the article talk page? Thanks Trugster 16:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Mount Grant

Hi. Why did you move "Mount Grant (South Georgia)" to *Mount Grant, South Georgia"? It's a mountain, not a town.
—wwoods 20:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Because it's also a placename. --MacRusgail 16:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Cat Oz Ftbl in Scot

Thanks for that- I get the more amused I find the odd places in the world having oz rules - bit like finding in the mid 90s that the highland games in jakarta (Indonesia) was trying to claim big things for participation and attendance etc than anything in scotland :| SatuSuro 23:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I can believe that about Jakarta! We have falling attendances at Highland games, and Jakarta's population is huge, so not unlikely. Aussie Rules is a tiny game, but we do have a lot of Australians over here for short amounts of time, particularly working in hostels etc. --MacRusgail 14:17, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup my wife long before she met me was one of them. What are you like on border issues? my father was born in Kelso SatuSuro 14:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by "border issues". I've never lived in that part of Scotland myself really. Kelso is on the Scottish side (definitely), unlike Berwick-upon-Tweed which is debatable - an Australian was once introduced to me as Scottish who was from there. --MacRusgail 15:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Bummer and Lazarus

Do you honestly think that confusion will arise with other San Francisco's in other California's? Both are wikilinked if the problem does arise and neither of those articles seem to need to make the USA connection clear in their titles. For the Simple English Wikipedia, I'd agree with you, but here it seems like awkwardly phrased spoonfeeding. Yomangani^talk 16:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Americans are terrible for phrases such as "Paris, France" and "Moscow, Russia" which can seem redundant. However, the same logic should be applied to American statenames. --MacRusgail 16:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Wetman suggested adding " not Paris, Texas" after any incidences of "Paris, France" which I rather like. But I don't think we should encourage them by conforming to that geographically challenged standard. Anyway, I'll leave it there for the moment, but I can't promise I'll remember if I do any more work on it. Yomangani^talk 17:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

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Fettes. As long as you continue to put incorrect and misleading information on both sites ( hospitals bequests etc) I shall continue to edit the same. noremacnomis

WP:Scottish Island

I am dreaming up a scheme for a WikiProject to co-ordinate island editing efforts. You are welcome to visit the draft project page at User:Ben_MacDui/Sandbox2. Comments, advice and sign-ups are very welcome. Ben MacDui (Talk) 20:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

No, or course I don't mind the extra template. I am hoping you will sign up at some point too!. Ben MacDui (Talk) 19:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for signing up. We are now 'live' at Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands! Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of St Andrews Students' Association

Hi, I noticed your comment on this AFD. However, an AFD is a discussion, not a vote. Thus any position made without an argument will not be examined by the closing admin. If you have a reason for asserting that this article should be kept, you should provide it, not just say to keep it. Mister.Manticore 20:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Breton News

A tag has been placed on Breton News, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. ɤ 22:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Places needing images

Islands: Stroma, North Rona, Ascrib Islands, Cara Island, Crowlin Islands, Isay, Soay, Isle Martin, Isle Ornsay, Barra Isles, Fladda, Treshnish Isles, Stac Biorach, Inchcailloch, Inchconnachan, Inchfad, Inchmurrin, Inchmahome,St Serf's Inch, Glunimore Island, Sanda Island, Sheep Island, Argyll and Bute, Rough Island, Scotland

Locations: Keith Inch, Auchterless, Banff and Macduff, Cairn O' Mounth, Laurencekirk, King Edward, Aberdeenshire, Oldmeldrum, Turriff

etc etc

the proposed MOS

Mac, I know what you mean - and I was very suspicious at first too. There does appear to be quite a few people who would like to do away with anything other than British - but consensus appears not to have gone their way. I'd like you input - I think WP would benefit from some standardisation that a manual of style can being (one has been a benefit to Irish-related pages). --sony-youth^pléigh 14:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I think it has been deliberately mugged though. I'm all for standardisation, but there is a political agenda here. There are four or five main proposers, who have taken over the debate. I wonder why this is going through just after the SNP and Plaid are in the executives in Edinburgh and Cardiff... hmm... --MacRusgail 14:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I hear you, but I wouldn't fear. --sony-youth^pléigh 14:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

There's also the matter of why this wasn't publicised properly on the various national boards until someone else went and did it. Attempted stitch up - they've already tried this with the UK geo info boxes.

Censorship

When did I remove comments? If I did then I can assure you it was by accident and can only apologise, but I haven't found any edit where I've removed comments. Readro 20:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

English Channel

Hi. As a major contributor, I wonder if you could have a look at the English Channel? I'm suggesting that the cities and population is replaced by a simple list with links -as otherwise it's out of date after every political boundary change. The St Helier figures are also being challenged. Also in your opinion does the recent paper on the glacial lake outbust flood give any authoritive pointer to where the boundaries of the channel should be drawn? JRPG 20:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

KK

I'll get to those references in due course. Very busy! -- Evertype·✆ 20:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I got to them. There are many more that could be added. -- Evertype·✆ 17:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands

Thanks for the notification, looks good. I'll sign up and try to do my bit. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 09:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Heather islands

I see you are doing a find job of recruiting. I don't know if you are watching Lewis and Harris but the latest on the talk page may be relevant to the Eilean Fraoch disambiguation article. Cheers. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Polloc and Govan Railway

Are you sure this spelling's right? It's normally Pollock (surname) or Pollok as in Pollokshields. --MacRusgail 20:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The name of the railway company was Polloc as per the Awdry book

• Awdry, Christopher, (1990). Encyclopaedia of British Railway Companies. London: Guild Publishing.

--Stewart 21:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for quick response. Maybe a note is in order, it's a highly unusual spelling. --MacRusgail 21:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem - will look into it. --Stewart 21:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Islands of Scotland

Great job working on all of these islands. I've tried to work on a few simply because SuggestBot keeps popping them on my page, because I write about the geology on occassion, but it's hard to find reliable information about them on the web, and I don't know much else than the geology. The articles need a lot of work, and it's great to see someone dedicated to them as a whole. Thanks. KP Botany 03:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hello and welcome to WP:TIS. Simply south 19:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Cock Eye Noo Mates/also football maybe?

Hello most glorious friend of north. You did a revert on stub of England independAnce (hohoho and a belly full of rum for bad spelling), but it is not good that you clearly show anger/discomfort at England and it's quest for independAnce - but i understand, you even said yourself - England pushes and enemy of north pulls - this is sad but most unglorious truth. Please do not fall to this anger, and help this stub, you are experienced Wiki player, and i may need your help. YESYESandmanygoals 16:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a worthwhile subject for an article, but can you work on Politics of England first, which is needing vast improvement? --MacRusgail 16:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

This is most unglorious and unfair choice for YESYESandmanygoals, i see this article is most about history of politics and this is not what YESYES knows about, i just know contemporary thoughts of many young people of England, and they want seperate NOW, right now in one minute if they could choose, also maybe British war of exterminate? haha, just joking.

I think English IndepandAnce is worthy of article, all other nations of Britain have it - but maybe this is way of revenge against atrocities? i think if that is so, England wins. YESYESandmanygoals 16:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello again friend of north, i think it is not good for talking politics, this always makes many anger.

I am requesting we talk of Football!! I also tried to talk with Millbanks, but he is slow in reply, too much drinking tea in garden reading paper i am thinking.

Anyway, first question - Celtic or Rangers? YESYESandmanygoals 08:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

First answer - neither. Second answer, Wales and Scotland do not have independence. They have devolution. There is also some devolution within England, with the London Assembly. --MacRusgail 13:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I mean only that the other Britain countries have independAnce article, not actual independAnce - HAHA, you cannot choose this, you are not almighty god, sorry about this mates.

OK 'no' for Rangers and Celtic, so i ask what is team? you are seemingly like very northern jock so i am guessing Inverness maybe? or Aberdeen? i think Hearts and Hibs is too 'southern puffs' for you. YESYESandmanygoals 14:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The idea of England becoming "independent of the UK" is like Rome becoming independent of its empire. Wales is a conquered colony - colonies become independent of their colonisers, not vice versa. --MacRusgail 14:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You are confusing much things i think, the idea on conquering scotland and the whales was snot that it was to be colony, it was meant that they are integrated part so then becoming maybe county, you know.. England north was not always same (and is still not really) as england south, it was just forced better that scotland and whales, so now people are accepting england over long time. most of englishmen who want end of union are north england also, they are many different from germans of south.

Also tell me football team of you, maybe Saint John stone ? or Green Morton? YESYESandmanygoals 14:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello again fiend of north, i think that we should not discuss those things, and also it seems you are maybe not football fan.

I would request a chat about the old countries of england and some people that are trying to revive them.

I was speaking to another friend of north yesterday and we talked about the old courty of Mercia where some people in the middle of England wanted to make this old country come back.

This made me think of Northumbria - i did some searches and it seems the people of this area are most happy with there current status as both Englishman and man of north, but i would ask would you support this old country if they wanted freedom of reform? as msome of it would take away from scotland? many thanks and great discussions. YESYESandmanygoals 11:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Soay

OS maps label Soay Mor and Soay Beag as Sòdhaigh Mòr and Sòdhaigh Beag, while the gazeteer for Scotland say the Gaelic names are Soaidh Mor and Soaidh Beag. As a Gaelic speaker, which looks better to you? Lurker (said · done) 16:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I would go for "Sòdhaigh" but with redirects. "Soaidh" violates spelling rules, as "oai" is not a proper combination. --MacRusgail 13:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Western Ferries

Hi. You recently tagged the Western Ferries talk page with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Scottish Islands tag. I've removed the tag as Western Ferries do not serve any islands, Scottish or otherwise. They only have one route, from Dunoon to Gourock, both of which are on the Scottish mainland. Good work otherwise MacRusgail! scancoaches 14:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Shetland infoboxes

Hope you got my drift yesterday - H-Smith etc are references in the boxes, and whilst there is every reason to use them in the main text as well, they do provide input into the boxes too. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Perie Bard

How is two sentences on information enough content?--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions)} 00:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Balloch

Hi. On the disambig page Balloch you added a Gaelic source some time ago. Question: are you sure this is also the source of the Balloch in the highlands. Given that it is stressed on the second syllable, I suspect it may come from a different source, perhaps Baile-something. (There's not a loch there, so it's not the obvious!) Can you check this? --Doric Loon 14:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

WPSI Assessment

I'm new to page assessment as part of a project, but my reading of the syntax is to use "class=NA" and then importance is not required. Please let me know if you are trying to achieve someting else for dab pages. Finavon 17:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Soviet team

I've had a quick look and will take a more in depth look tomorrow. My initial thoughts are that you've made a pretty good start.

I think "national" is justified as the USSR was a independent country even if it was a state nation rather than a nation state. Unlike say the Lions, the African Leopards or Pacific Islanders which have national teams for their constituent members, the individual Republic's teams were not really treated as being "national" although Georgia managed to tour Zimbabwe in their own right.

The table with the ENC results I stole from Italian wiki. It's probably more appropriate to put the position that the Soviets finished each season. Believe it or not Italian wiki has the results for every season played. This is impossible to find anywhere in English.

My other thought is whether this article should be merged with the CIS one. I don't think the team was reconstituted so much as the name was changed and probably the anthem. It might be worth looking at whether other sports e.g. soccer, athletics have one article for the old USSR and one for the CIS or a joint article with the CIS being seen as the continuation of the old USSR team.GordyB 18:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The Communists ought to have played league rather than union because it was a working class sport rather than union which in most places is popular mostly with the middle classes. They liked rugby union rather than league because it was much easier to be competitive against amateur teams, especially when their players weren't really amateur (a lot were in the military or the police and were given special preparation).

Romania were a semi-pro team playing against amateurs. They stopped being any good when Communism collapsed and their players needed to find real jobs and then professionalism was permitted (they never had the money to benefit). The likes of the USSR and Romania would never have been any good at league because they would have had to play against fully professional players.

Of the former USSR republics only Russia plays league to any extent. This is a post-Communist development and comes down to some oligarch or other who likes the sport. Yugoslavia played league before WW2 but Tito had league clubs forcibly converted into union ones.GordyB 21:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

On the subject of Georgia, Ukraine etc within the USSR. I would compare those teams to Australian or South African state teams (pre Super 12) or Irish provinces / Scots super-districts (pre Celtic league). They usually only ever played each other and rarely got to play against national teams and were never invited to tournaments for national teams. In the past states sometimes even went on foreign tours.GordyB 22:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Edit summaries

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Forensic network. When you remove a prod, it's helpful to leave a summary so others know your reasoning for removing it. Thanks! --Fabrictramp 14:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Little England unreferenced material

You recently introduced unreferenced material and material identified as original research into Little England beyond Wales. All Wikipedia material must include appropriate references, in order to allow editors to check your assertions, and to provide evidence that the material is not original research. This rule is especially important here, because the article is the subject of a neutrality dispute. Please immediately supply references or remove the unreferenced material. Removal of unreferenced material is always valid in these circumstances. Reverting such edits amounts to vandalism. . . .LinguisticDemographer 21:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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Shetlopedia have changed their copyright.

See here for details. Pity, really. Lurker (said · done) 10:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Celtus on Norse-Gaels

I agree with your edits. Is there any way to stop his rampage? User_talk:Celtus#Norse-Gaels... Lord Loxley 18:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

History of the Falkland Islands

I've a proposed edit to put the Gaucho Murders episode into the history article, you'll find it here on Talk:History of the Falkland Islands. Do you think you could have a look and give me some feedback? Justin talk 09:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Holm of Hebristra

Can you provide a location for this as I am struggling to find it? Muchas gracias. Ben MacDui (Talk) 22:09, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't remember where exactly it is, Shetland I'm sure, Sandsting I think, but the spelling is a bit wrong possibly. I think it's spelled "Hebrista". Hope that helps,,
Shetlander57 20:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

PS. On spelling. I can't think of any Shetland Isle, or place name, which ends with "tra".Most Shetland names end with "sta". If I'm right that maybe worth bearing in mind.
Shetlander57 20:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I had thought that myself... However, it may be a misprint in the original. -sta and -ster seem to be the most common endings. --MacRusgail 15:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think its "Holm of Hebrista" and at HU 256 572. NB this is in 'West Burra Firth'. Ben MacDui (Talk) 22:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of serious, yes?

Hello my friend, apology from before discussion, but i would like to ask a serious question for my scottish friend.

As you support historic nation of Cornwall, would you support historic nation of Northumbria for independAnce? thank you. YESYESandmanygoals 10:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No, because Northumbria has not been in continuous existence. Unlike Cornwall. There was no "Northumbria" 2/300 years ago. The current Northumbria is just a region set up by London penpushers. --MacRusgail 15:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if this is right. Northumberland is just Northumbria with land taken away yes? like Berwick or Poland?

Anyway it is not likely happening as people of these lands are very integrated now i think, Lothian people are Scottish, North-east are confused slightly and yorkshire is yorkshire pudding i think. Thank you for discussion MacRusgail. YESYESandmanygoals 15:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I come from the north east, and am Scottish. (Work that one out). --MacRusgail 15:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It just means you are Russell Anderson, mask is slipping MacRusgail. YESYESandmanygoals 15:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Who? I am from the North East. The real North East. Like Aberdeenshire. :) --MacRusgail 15:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Haha political statement, don't tell the Geordies. saying you are REAL north-east could mean that you advocate the whole island being together, i know that you are not unionist (me too) so it's ok, but you know what i eamn i think, i guess i mean east-midlands then ok. Thank you Rus YESYESandmanygoals 16:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

OK sorry for bothering again but i have more questions Rus, i would like to ask of extreme north England, some of it used to be in old Scotland (nothumberland, cumberland, durham etc) - if there was a real movement to join Scotland (ofcourse it would have to be long way in future and be serious) would you support it? the people of this region is quite different to rest of england with culture, accent, dailect etc and has lot of commons with lowlands scot, thanks you Rus --YESYESandmanygoals 18:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello again Rus, was wondering about this above question, am serious in asking it - i know right now it is many miles away but i was just interested inn if you would support this idea? and if it was happen would you welcome this people as Scots? thanks YESYESandmanygoals 11:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Has been 10 days, please answer question, am asking serious for research not goading. YESYESandmanygoals 12:10, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It shows of goading victory for you not to reply Rus YESYESandmanygoals 11:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm on holiday!!! To answer your question, other than Berwick upon Tweed, I doubt the rest would want to join Scotland, but if there was a strong demand there, who knows... --MacRusgail 15:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for disturb mate, did not know of your holiday, enjoy. It is great thought though, yes? I think this people have much Scottishness in personality (even if they maybe not know it), it would also be labbelled "English-Jocks" maybe, they are already called "Southern-Jocks" by many southerners so it is maybe destiny. I think in long future this is something that can happen, there is maybe no 'demand' but i think an underlying 'understanding' by these people. YESYESandmanygoals 15:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Who is this looper? Anyway, i am from this region and i can definately say this wouldn't happen anytime soon, i would agree that we are maybe closer to the Scots than Southern England in most areas, but Scottish? No.

The biggest part of the 'gripe' is probably the verbal 'battering' that the English get from the Scots, obviously as 'English people' we are included in these insult-fests - even though most Scots don't hold us in the same regard as people south of here. It's an odd one, but ultimately you must be smacked off your tits if you think this could happen.

Whenever i've met Scots on holiday or wherever they've always had good banter and cracking humour, i see them very similar to the people of the North-East. Gazh 09:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Orkney islands

Thanks for your comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Orkney islands. I have addressed this and wonder if you have any further comments or objections, or are now willing to offer formal support for the candidature. If you could clarify this there I'd much appreciate it. Ben MacDui (Talk) 08:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Koestler

Do have a look at WP:TRIVIA and WP:NOT. This is an encyclopedia, not a random collection of facts. Biruitorul 13:30, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Damsel in distress

You may wish to distinguish yourself in gallantry by rescuing this lady from the AfD demons. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Cornwall and the Danes

I removed the paragraph from Constitutional status of Cornwall not for the reasons you suggest (thanks for the knee-jerk assumptions though) but for those that I stated in the edit summary. Basically, it's a wreck. It completely misrepresents the nature of the conquests accomplished by Swein and Cnut, giving an account which would just about fit the Danish conquests of the ninth century but bears no resemblance to those of the eleventh. It implicitly misrepresents the events which followed Swein's death. It misrepresents the political organisation of England before, during and after the period of Danish rule. It included some complete gibberish which thankfully has not been reinstated. It provides no references in support of its main point, which it seems to suggest is based not on primary sources or historical analysis of the question but on a map drawn up by some unidentified modern historian, which is inaccurate in other respects. In the absence of any references I can only imagine what (if anything) else the central assertion may be based on.

In addition to this, the only relevant piece of evidence that I am aware of (though there may be others) indicates quite the opposite of what the paragraph asserts. This is a charter issued by Cnut in 1018, confirming one issued in 1016 by Edmund Ironside, which granted lands in Cornwall to Bishop Burhwold of St Germans for his lifetime and thereafter to the monastery at St Germans. The fact that the king had such lands to grant is suggestive; more strikingly, on condition that prayers are said for Cnut's soul, it frees this land of the obligations which would otherwise accompany its ownership, with the exception of those regarding military service. The existence of obligations to Cnut as king, attached to the holding of lands in Cornwall, would indicate that Cornwall was indeed under his direct rule. I have not yet added this piece of evidence to the article because I only know of it from descriptions and have not yet read the actual text or a full translation, and I wish to confirm whether it does indeed say what these descriptions suggest. If it does, it would seem to refute the claims made by this paragraph.

If you wish to retain this paragraph, I suggest that you rewrite it from scratch, and come up with some properly referenced sources to back it up.

You also reversed my revision of the caption to one of the maps on this page. Rather than change the caption I should really have removed the map entirely, but I was feeling conservative. It is irrelevant to the matters in question because, although undated, it seems to portray the situation at some point in the eighth century, after the conquest of Devon by Wessex but before that of Sussex and Essex by Mercia. As such, it relates to a period in which, as far as I know, nobody has ever suggested that there was any sort of English control over any part of Cornwall. It therefore has no bearing on the subject of the article, which hinges on developments in later periods (the same objection can be made to the inclusion of the map portraying the Roman era, and arguably the 802 map as well). The caption itself is a ludicrous statement of the blindingly obvious and completely irrelevant. It declares that the map shows Cornwall, Ireland, Wales and the Isle of Man as separate entities (as indeed they were at that time); oddly, it fails to point that it also shows Wessex, Sussex, Kent, Essex, East Anglia, Mercia and Northumbria as separate entities (as they also were). Therefore it portrays a number of territories which later became part of England and a number which did not; it has no bearing whatsoever on the question of which of these categories Cornwall belongs to!

Incidentally, I am baffled by the apparent belief that modern maps constitute historical evidence. I could draw a map showing twelfth-century Portugal to be part of Japan; it wouldn't make it so. Now, if you could find a map drawn in the eleventh century...

If you can justify the retention of these components of the article, please do so.

Zburh 01:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)