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Quantum-Touch

Greetings. This is my second attempt at discussing the Quantum-Touch page. I would appreciate it if you'd not delete my addition here this time. Thank you in advance for the consideration. :-)

Quantum-Touch was marked for speedy deletion due to previous SALTing (over earlier contributers writing what amounted to first-person accounts and SPAM). I placed a hangon on the page so the pending deletion could be discussed and I see your reasoning for deleting the page was "waving magic crystals". The subject matter of the article is closely related to Reiki and Qi. I dispute the grounds for deletion and request the page be restored. The content I provided on the topic was accurate and to the best of my knowledge followed all possible Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you.

Trane Francks 01:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. I really do understand that being an admin is a thankless task (I admin several BBS forums and moderate at a slew of others), but I'd really like to work through this issue and see the ability to create an article on this topic restored. As I previously noted, Quantum-Touch is closely related to Reiki and Qi. Other similarities exist in Polarity therapy and Energy (spirituality). There are many similar articles here that discuss related topics. If one can find an article on Faith healing here, I would certainly expect that Quantum-Touch is acceptable content, too.

Please work with me on this. Heck, man, I'm posting this from a Slackware system....that's gotta count. ;-)

Trane Francks 10:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your page has been deleted six times by several different administrators. That in itself is a criterion for being deleted. Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, again. Thanks for the response. I am aware of the deletion history and that it gives things a bad light, but there are related articles here. I've already given you links to some. The article you deleted was my first submission and to the best of my knowledge it conformed entirely to Wikipedia guidelines. It wasn't advertising, SPAM or first-person accounting; it attempted to describe the subject matter from an encyclopedic perspective.

Not believing in the veracity of the claims made by Quantum-Touch practitioners is not necessarily appropriate grounds for deletion. The SALTing was warranted previously due to the lousy quality of the articles and the spamming that was done. I'd like to think my article was a significant improvement and worthy of submission. Would you please undelete the article or at least flag it so I can resubmit?

Cheers, mate!

Trane Francks 01:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


An editor has asked for a deletion review of Quantum-Touch. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Trane Francks 09:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bootstrap Productions

Dear Sir, Would you please be kind enough to explain why you deleted the Bootstrap Productions page?? I am aware that when it was first tagged for deletion that the content was not up to Wikipedia standards, however, when it was removed from from the web this morning it did meet the criteria for inclusion as far as I am aware. There are a number of small presses like Bootstrap Productions that have similar sites (Burning Deck Press, Ugly Duckling Presse, etc.). Bootstrap is a legitimate small press and the website contained outside links to verify this legitimacy, including a link to a Massachusettes Cultural Council grant they received this year. If you could let me please know if there are particular problems with the site that you found objectionable, I am happy to work with you to repost the site in a manner that would be acceptable to wikipedia. Thanks very much for your time. I respect your job, and I understand that policing Wikipedia is a thankless task. If you would please work with me, I would be very appreciative. Sincerely, Arian Krantzite. Arianakrantzite 14:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recieving a grant doesn't equal several major news stories. Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks, I appreciate you working with me. I am new to Wikipedia and did not understand how strict these policies are. I did not know how quickly the site would be called into question. Please, if you will, let me continue to make my case... It occurs to me that the criteria of a "major news story" would, if taken strictly, eliminate nearly all small presses featuring avant garde poets from Wikipedia. Trust me, it is very difficult for poetry in general to get noticed by The New York Times, and I don't think that Wikipedia wants to block this important stream of American literary culture from being accessible to the greater world. A small press is small for a reason, mostly having to do with its non-commerical allegiancies. With that said, I still think Bootstrap Productions is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia and I can document a few major book reviews to further my case.

If you would like I can also supply a list of links to 50 or so other sources that discuss Bootstrap Publications, a Bootstrap-related writer, or the Union Square Poetry Series (a avant garde reading series in Somerville, MA run by Bootstrap Productions founder Derek Fenner and MIT press editor Daniel Bouchard).

Again, thanks for your time. I know that policing Wikipedia is a necessary job. Again, I appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to work with me. Sincerely, Ariana Krantzite Arianakrantzite 15:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can recreate the article with a subset of those 50 links for sourcing and it might pass notability requirements then. Luigi30 (Taλk) 15:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I really appreciate this. I will repost as soon as possible with a multitude of links. In the meantime, could you please post a copy of the deleted article into my user page (User:Arianakrantzite), so I don't have to re-create the entire entry. Best to you, Ariana. Arianakrantzite 15:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's at User:Arianakrantzite/Bootstrap productions. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Waldorf Education

Hi there,

Would you be kind enough to please answer my questions that I have asked here [1], and here [2]. Otherwise I will have no alternative but to ask for a WP:DRV, as no obvious reason was given for this deletion! Cheers Lethaniol 14:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was a duplicate of Waldorf Schools. Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe all of it was (though I agree some of it was), I believe it contained some info on the Administration of Waldorf Schools that is not contained in the the current Waldorf Education. Is it possible to have a copy of the deleted article (dump it into User:Lethaniol/Waldorf Education say), so that we can extract any info that is useful. Cheers Lethaniol 14:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. Also a quick suggestion for the future. When deleting pages is it possible to make a fuller edit summary description e.g. nn --> non-notable subject, or dupe --> duplicate article. One of the reasons I was confused in this case was that I thought duped meant dupe, and I am a relatively experienced editor, newer editors might be much more confused. Thanks again. Cheers Lethaniol 16:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There were over 300 articles at the time waiting for speedy deletion, and I was trying to speed through them. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Lol I understand that, but it is still highly desirable to put a complete edit summary especially as non-Admins only info on that deleted article is the Admin's name and edit summary. Maybe giving slightly more detail will mean less queries. It is just unfortunately the case that deletions (cf moves and edits) are so drastic and IMHO documentation needs to be of a high standard. Anyway I will leave it at that. Cheers Lethaniol 16:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No amount of detail will stop HEY FAGGOT WHY YOU DELETE ARTICLE ON MY FAN CLUB I GONNA KICK YOUR ASS and its equivalents. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I ever reverted your deletions, as you suggest on the Talk:Waldorf education page. I don't remember doing anything with this article for months! Hgilbert 01:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Novalys

Dear Luigi30,
You deleted my article about Novalys without giving me the time to explain the reason why I wrote it, indeed I wrote hangon at the top of the page at it was said.
This article was wrote not because of the company but the product Visual Expert which is marketed by Novalys but also by other distibutors depending on the country. There are many developpers using or interested by Visual Expert and they often ask how it works and I thought that writing an article on wikipedia explaining what the software really does and how it works it will be a good thing. I started by doing the article about the company but it is maybe better (if it is possible) to write an article about Visual Expert instead. What do you think?
--Manu84 15:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a repository for manuals or how-to guides. I'd suggest starting with a Visual Expert article. Luigi30 (Taλk) 15:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thend Deletion

I'm leaving you a message because I think the user Realkyhick recommended this article for deletion in an unsubstantiated manner. I told that user this:

We're really not trying to abuse the system here. The Government is not looking for free advertising. They've been a group for years, and are of notability on the CT shoreline. You definitely can't find the band on google if you search for alternative, CT, and the Gov, because the heading of Thegov.net does not include any of that as a description. Still don't see what the problem is. The local music scene is just as notable as the national, famous circuit, and just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean its not worth having an article about.

Also, I've just added a bit of information to each that I was saving for the WIKI of the PCIA. The band acts as a sort of spokesman for the youth advocacy group PCIA, which is how I know them. They certainly DO exist, and, again, if you google search a string of words, you won't find what you're looking for.

Also, according to the guidelines posted, "A mere claim of notability, even if contested, may avoid deletion under A7 and require a full Article for Deletion process to determine if the subject of the article is notable."

I'd like to contest this deletion on the grounds of the previously mentioned claims of notability, and would like to assert that this user is not involved in the Connecticut music and political advocacy community, and, as I am, I qualify as a better source of information regarding their notability.


which asserts the importance of the band in the independent music scene of CT, and their involvement in a local Youth Advocacy group. I obviously couldn't convince the other user with that, but what more can be done to prove notability? That user is from alabama, and not CT. I , however am from CT, and know enough about the topic to contribute an article. Thend 15:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)Thend

The band notability guidelines supersede the criterion. They may be well-known in their local scene, but that does not equal nation-wide or world-wide notability. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hexagon Comedy Show

Could you please restore the page on the Hexagon Comedy Show. We are in the middle of our show's run now and are on our way to raising more than $100,000 for The Ronald McDonald House. If you doubted the veracity of anything in the short article visit our website at www.hexagon.org.

If you have a problem with one of my deletions, please take it to deletion review. Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Immediate

I have no idea why this article was deleted. I understand that you may not be aware of them as a band, but they are genuinely one of the most important and popular bands in Ireland at the moment. Their album reached the top 5 of the charts and was the favourite for the Choice Music Prize (Ireland's Shortlist/Mercury award). If you go to the page for the Choice Prize, there is now a dead link to The Immediate.

It makes no sense to me to delete this article. I am not affiliated with the band and I only created it because I can see it as something people would search for. It is of no benefit to wikipedia to delete it.

If you have a problem with a deletion, please take it to deletion review. Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opt out

I was a bit annoyed at it constantly adding my sig too, but Hagerman does offer an OptOut option. Works for me. Hbdragon88 22:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Luigi30 (Taλk) 17:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About deletion of marian maid's tank ball.

Just a quick comment on the deletion of the page about maid marian's tank ball.

It seems that you have decided to remove it. I will assume that you are doing this on the point 11 from Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion about Blatant Advertising.

In defense I would like to say: Off course the article will tell about the game, and who has made it. And the requirements to play it. But the criteria clearly states: "an article that is blatant advertising should have inappropriate content as well."

So I cannot phantom, what the inappropriate content was. All the parts I wrote were objective, for as far as I can tell. I have no direct association with the company, and if you like deleting articles about online multi-player games that actually get money from people playing, then you should start with World of Warcraft or something. ;-)

In conclusion, I disagree with the speedy deletion, since I do not think any of the criteria for speedy deletion are on par with the article. Cappen 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)Cappen[reply]

If you have a problem with a deletion, please take it to deletion review. Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National College comedy festival

why the delete, sir? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chatnchew (talk • contribs) 05:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Because it is not notable outside of the colleges listed on the page. Luigi30 (Taλk) 17:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

there are dozens of schools outside of those listed thusfar that have attended but no one has had time to post yet - the page is but days old. published articles apart from the new york times about the festival not yet linked. thousands of attendees including famous alumni from almost two decades of meetings. might your decision be subjective, or at the vest least your judgement too swift? Chatnchew 01:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Global Business Network

What was the basis for deleting this? It's a fairly well-known futurist organization (note, for example, its current Google News results, its Google News Archives results -- note the sixth hit from the New York Times -- its Google Scholar results, and which Wikipedia pages link to it. Not even close to speedy material. --Calton | Talk 05:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sorry about the delay in responding.
Now that I've seen it, I can see why it looked spammy, given that it looks like someone regurgitating a Rolodex onto a page rather than a real article. Now that I've, in effect, taken responsibility for it, I guess I'd best do something about it soon. --Calton | Talk 08:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Regurgitating a Rolodex, that's a new one! I'm not sure what I should do in this case. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hexagon

Could you please restore the page on the Hexagon Comedy Show. We are in the middle of our show's run now and are on our way to raising more than $100,000 for The Ronald McDonald House. Tomorrow night we'll have people like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi among other up on stage with us. If you doubted the veracity of anything in the short article visit our website at www.hexagon.org. Or was the deletion done for some other reason? Cramz32 17:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you disagree with a deletion, list it at deletion review. Luigi30 (Taλk) 21:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom discussion

Hi there,

You might not have been aware that there is currently an ArbCom review case concerning all Anthroposophy and Waldorf Education topic articles. I am now uncomfortable in questioning your deletions, especially of Dan Dugan, because this now falls into the area of concern of the ArbCom IMHO. Hence I have opened up a discussion about the issue here: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Waldorf_education/Review#Deletion_for_your_attention please comment there. Cheers Lethaniol 22:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

:( Luigi30 (Taλk) 23:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding an AFD closure

In this decision, there were four "delete" votes and four "keep" votes. Two of the "keep" votes were "weak keep", and two of the "delete" votes cited violation of WP:BIO, WP:BLP & WP:V. It seems to me that no consensus would've been a far more accurate way to appraise the situation. Esn 06:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I must have miscounted the keeps and deletes or something. Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Could you change the result to "no consensus", then? Esn 16:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sure. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A deletion question

Hi there. Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. J. Helton, if the result was redirect, why did you delete what was behind it first? --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that was what you did? Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, it isn't. Redirecting is simply an editorial decision, and deleting isn't what occurs in that case. Think you could restore the history behind it? --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, one second. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I hit restore, the log says they're restored, but they're not showing up in the history. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC) There they go. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the help. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Luigi30 (Taλk) 16:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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