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Cheese and Brassens

The fromage box is from the French Wikipedia. I "substed" it so I could change it to link to the English cheese page instead of the French cheese portal. Yes, the French have a whole portal about cheese! The substing created an alarming amount of code, which you're welcome to copy, but I'm sure there's a much simpler way to recreate it. I hope that helps.

P.S. I see your French is better than mine--if you feel like it, check out the translation of George Brassens (the one linked to in the translation box, not the current article). I've been slowly working on it. I'm mostly trying to get it wikified, but I'm sure the syntax is weird in a few places. My best friend used to live in Sète, or I never would have heard of him... Katr67 01:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Brassens article, I'd like to help, but I'm not sure how soon I can. For now I'll print out the working English translation and go read it over a cup of coffee. Thanks for the cheese tip! -Eric ^(talk) 14:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a fairly recent copy of Word? It would be easiest for me to post my changes in a Word doc set to track changes. I'm watching this page. -Eric ^(talk) 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I did some revision of the working draft. I'm going to assume you have Word and am posting it here link deleted by Katr67 (can you please delete this link after you get the doc?--thanks). I put translation notes at the top of the Word doc. The track changes function in Word lets you accept/reject changes as you read (right-click for options). Let me know if you're not familiar with this tool or don't have Word. -Eric ^(talk) 20:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I love track changes. Sign up as one of the proofreaders of that article if you want. BTW, I believe Wikipedia style is to always go with British style when it comes to punctuation with quotations, and I would tend to use British English anyway on a French translation because they use British English there. At least my friend who's a translator does, but she deals with more Brits than Americans. Katr67 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry if I was out of line creating the new section! I'll take down the doc unless you want me to leave it up. -Eric ^(talk) 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can take it down. No worries about the section, I was about to create one when I experienced the edit conflict with you and accidentally left both versions up. All better now. Katr67 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean now--I thought you had accidentally deleted some stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer to maintain the threads on my talk page myself. Thanks. Katr67 20:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that I was in the edit conflict, but I get it now. I'll be gone to work all week (and should not be on WP then!) but let me know if you have a question about the translation and I'll work it into a coffee break... -Eric ^(talk) 20:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple more pages to go on 2nd half of Brassens. -Eric ^(talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi- I finished revising Brassens, but can't poke through the firewall at work to upload it. I'll do that Friday night. -Eric ^(talk) 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here it is--hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions. -Eric ^(talk) 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Can you let me know when you've got the doc? I'll watch here--thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 13:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Sorry, you can take it down now. Skimming, I can see you cleared up some really weird things--"police killing women"? As far as double spaces, they don't make a difference to the wiki software, so though I'm a single space gal myself, I try to resist fixing too many of them. Thanks again! I should be working on a real world volunteer editing gig right now, so it may be a little while until I am able to incorporate your changes. I'll let you know if I have any questions. I may see if my friend is available to help with some of the lyrics as well. Katr67 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and let me know if you need more help with the lyrics--I have a professor friendwho is a Brassens fan as I recall, and I'll bet he'd be happy to help. -Eric ^(talk) 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Chinook salmon

Hi Katr, I have corrected the isbn for the Dynamic Great Lakes and made a page number in text citation. Is all o.k. now?

Barbara Spring —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraspring (talk • contribs) 15:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

(Not Kate) Looks OK to me. When I said I fixed it, I put ISBN in all caps, which turns on the wiki magic that links to the book search. I didn't check to see if it went to the right book, so thanks for correcting that. Katr67 17:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I checked the book it went to: it looks correct. —EncMstr 18:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I checked it after she corrected it. I'm not sure what the issue is now unless it's in user pref settings? Katr67 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

corrected text

Hi Katr67

I have corrected the in text citation for Chinook salmon and the ISBN. Now why is there still a question mark?

Barbaraspring 18:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Barbara Spring

I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you're talking about. Do you mean the template below your citation? That has nothing to do with your reference. (and was added before you edited the article) It's referring to the list of references below yours that haven't been linked in the text. If that's not what you're referring to, let me know. Thanks. Katr67 18:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fall WPOR COTW

Welcome to autmun and the weekly COTW news. Great job to those who helped out with last week’s articles: Darlene Hooley & Thunderegg. Both made great improvements. This week, something a little different. With fall upon us, the photo ops are going to be harder to get, so we have a photo request fulfillment drive. Take a look at the requested pictures for Oregon category or the graphics subproject for what’s needed. Then go take a picture, or search online for a free picture to upload (US gov sites are great and there are links available from the above links). If you fill a request, be sure to remove the request template from the article’s talk page. Our other item is another red link removal drive, this time on the flagship Oregon article. Like the state parks red link drive, try to coordinate on the talk page. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Nofootnotes/unref

Thanks, Katr67, a bug. Now have definitive lists for unreferenced, refimprove and fact. Reports like this are a spur to re-factoring and improving my bot. Rich Farmbrough, 09:11 24 September 2007 (GMT).

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel)

Since I believe you did some work on the novel and being from Eugene I'm sure you read it, is it really based on the prison in Pendleton as it says at the beginning of the plot summary? Kesey worked at an asylum in CA, and I recall the novel set somewhere in the valley. So do you think this might be some Eastern Oregon urban legend, or is there truth to the matter? Thanks. Aboutmovies 23:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm. I've always heard it was based on the Oregon State Hospital. (And yes, people think Kesey actually worked there, but no, it was my mom who did for a few months. She has good stories.) I've never heard the Eastern Oregon State Hospital mentioned. I didn't know EOSH turned into a prison, I'll have to check, sometimes people think they're the same thing. (And probably metaphorically speaking they're sometimes right)... I don't believe it says where it is in the novel except Oregon, though they do go to the coast (in the movie it was Depoe Bay) so I'd assume in the valley. I'll see if I can find my copy when I get home. Katr67 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That and they talk about people coming down from Portland (hookers and such), which I know people are bad with geography, but that would seem odd to talk about people coming down to Pendleton from Portland. And for the coast trip they cross the Siuslaw River, which seems a bit south to go if coming from Pendleton as well. Aboutmovies 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

RE: Wikilinki Dates (Willamette Industries)

Hola! Thanks for the copy-edit, but:

"There is consensus among editors that month and day names should not be linked unless there is a specific reason that the link will help the reader to understand the article."

REF: Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context#Dates

I only think important dates should be linked. Dates of birth and death, elections, disasters, dates of founding, merger completion, battles, book, album, movie, release, etc. What do you think?

And, by reading that and this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates, I learned about the comma not being necessary. I notice that you knew that one already. That'll save a keystroke! Thanks again...WikiDon 17:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read more carefully. Month and day names: e.g. September, Monday. (And there is also debate about linking single years, which I tend not to do, ever.) Then read further:

"Dates when they contain a day, month, and year — 25 March 2004 — or day and month — February 10 — should be linked for date preference formatting." (emphasis mine)

In a nutshell: if someone has his/her user date prefs enabled, the wikilinking of say, [[September 25]] [[2007]] thus: September 25 2007, allows the user to see the dates in the manner in which s/he is accustomed. In Europe, for example, I believe that would be 25 September, 2007.

If you still have questions, let me know. If I accidentally linked a single month or day name, feel free to change it. Katr67 17:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Superscrirpt

You said: "no superscripts per WP:MOS"

But, I can't find it in there. Is it somewhere else? WikiDon 17:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It's in the section you linked to above:

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates

Dates

• Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes or articles, or put a comma between month and year.

Incorrect: June 25th, 25th June, the 25th of June

Correct: 14 February, February 14

Incorrect: October, 1976

Correct: October 1976

I should have said "No suffixes" but the result is the same. I hope that helps, Katr67 17:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Kesey

...was your commencement speaker? That's pretty cool. And I think it belongs in his wiki article, right at the end of the "Later Life" section. "To keep up his strength while addressing apathetic teens, Kesey was forced to eat stale sweaty jelly beans out of his hat." --Esprqii 17:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they were wrapped. And they were all purple--our principal had a thing about our school color. But no, not mine. I don't remember who ours was. My graduation sucked... This was a class or two after mine. Our school's graduation is at the Hult Center, which venue I have opinions about, but anyway in this dignified setting we brought noise makers and confetti and bubbles to cheer on our friends. While the aformentioned vice principal gave us death glares, Kesey beamed at us approvingly. And a good time was had by all. Katr67 17:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Two links for ya: http://blog.glennf.com/mtarchives/003446.html and http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2004/0530/cover.html. --Esprqii 17:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, I seem to recall they were not only purple, but had mirrors on them... Hang on. I'll send ya an e-mail. Katr67 17:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Please inform me which user you are refering to? If i did, it was not on puprose as i am aware of that rule. thank you! Tiptoety 18:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, since I posted it under Burnsauce's comment to you, I'm referring to Burntsauce's reactions to this here and to your smiley here. He does have 6200 edits and has been here 6 months. Yes, he's being a mite uncivil, but it's probably a good idea to let the matter drop. Katr67 18:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination of Summit High School (Bend, Oregon)

Summit High School (Bend, Oregon) has been nominated as a possible Article for Deletion. The reason is that an editor believes that the subject of the article is not notable and/or the article does not assert its importance. We welcome your input on the articles AfD page, which you can get to by clicking Here!. Thank You. - Rjd0060 23:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake oswego junior high

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Lake oswego junior high, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. ~Eliz81^(C) 07:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Bend High Article

Thanks for the message. I saw your changes and I didn't realize the pranks were moved to the talk page. I set Twinkle to watch the reverts to Bend High, and I changed them back without carefully examining it. Please accept my apologies about that. There used to be a lot of vandalism on the page, especially from rival schools, such as Mountain View High School, and Summit High School. I know you have a lot of edits and are a contributer to Oregon articles, but rather than just moving or deleting sections on articles, please consider discussing the content in Bend High's Talk Page about why you feel need to move it instead of just moving it. I was at that Sadie Hawkins dance, and we were the class that had our school make national news for that. It took us three years to find the source to the Sadie Hawkins Incident and many people felt the need to just delete it. Thanks for the message, and thanks for not only being a contributer to Oregon articles, but for protecting and keeping an open mind about what is published. Even though they are just a list of pranks or just an incident about a dance, those were good times and it means a lot to not only me, but thousands of other kids that go to that school. I'll keep the pranks in the talk section until sources are found. BeanoJosh 07:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I simply removed it before, this last time I moved it so you would stop reverting. I already discussed it--it's unsourced (original research?) and unencyclopedic--the relevant policies are linked on the talk page. If I didn't remove it, someone else would. The dance incident is notable--it made national news--you'll note I didn't delete that. But that is the level of notability we're talking about here. Please read up on those policies, especially if you want to become an admin. Katr67 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia templates

Maybe you can help me out. I can't find a page that lists good wikipedia templates to put on my profile. I'm just getting it started but I see a lot of people have templates that say "USERNAME enjoys videogames", etc. Where can you find those? Thanks. BeanoJosh 07:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean userboxes? Try this: Wikipedia:Userboxes. 14:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction, Oregon

I'm continuing to add info and refs to the CJ page, and I have a question and you seem to be the person to ask. I'm finding a good amount of info, and a lot of it's from good sources like the New York Times and Seattle Times, but it's mostly about visiting Cave Junction. I know wikipedia isn't supposed to be a travel guide, so I would like suggestions on two things. 1. How do I write about points of interest and keep it neutral (Maybe we have manual of style pages or something that will help)? 2. Are there any standard resources that you could point me to that info on Oregon cities? Thanks, Peregrine Fisher 23:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't think of any guidelines to point you to at the moment, but I'm sure you know not to use peacock terms (e.g. "CJ has the best golf courses east of Bandon" or some such). Points of interest (especially if listed in NYT) are fine; it's an inventory of supermarkets, starbucks and skateboard parks, along with street directions, that we don't want. (Oh and probably anything about the climate that's not dry and factual--I bet NYT mentions stuff like that.) Just use your good judgment. Think Encyclopædia Britannica, and only slightly less uptight. The kind of stuff I've taken out of articles are lists of restaurants (especially those with recommendations), lists of places to shop, anything written in the 2nd person, etc. Anything that smacks of "showcasing our beautiful city" isn't going to be encyclopedic. Here's my favorite example of what not to do. Not sure why I was meddling in California that day, but there ya go... Oh and check out what links there for more ideas about what to add. A list of radio stations perhaps? Is that brewery actually notable? I see there's loads of registered historic places in the area too. Historic ditches? How is that possible? Katr67 01:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's another example of what not to do. Basically, we're not here to help people plan their vacations. Katr67 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Do notable residents have to currently live in Cave Junction, or can they just be from there? - Peregrine Fisher 05:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I personally think born, used to live or currently lives in are all fair game, and the association with the place has to be mentioned in his/her article. There is some disagreement about this around the wiki, but as far as WPORE goes, we tend to be inclusive if the association is significant, i.e. they didn't stop there once and buy gas. Katr67 05:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool, I think I can find a few that meet that criteria. It's good to here that WPORE is inclusive. - Peregrine Fisher 05:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon

whoops sorry I didnt know I should create articles for the nationally noted people first before adding to the "List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon" page... it really is pathetic as a page at the moment and it should be updated. I'm new to this so forgive my lack of protool. thanks -Gugnir PDX —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungnir PDX (talk • contribs) 00:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

New Article

I am happy to announce i have created another article relating to Oregon, but it is far from being complete, and i would love your help and comments on making it better. The article is Portland Police Bureau. Thank you, Tiptoety 18:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

http://www.cavejunctionoregon.com/

Is the IV chamber of commerce considered a reliable source? - Peregrine Fisher 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it's borderline. The purpose of a CoC is to promote, after all. I would use it as a citation if I couldn't find the same info in a newspaper, book or magazine. (Because supposedly reporters have copy editors who make them check their facts.) Certainly a CoC would attempt to be professional and has no reason to make stuff up, but the tendency towards hyperbole should be watched. I think they tend to team up with the local historical society for the history stuff, so if the history isn't elsewhere, using a CoC should be fine. For the local attractions stuff, I'd check traveloregon.com for similar info, though--same purpose, more cred. Katr67 23:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

OK. I just want to use for historical info, and I can't find it anywhere else. - Peregrine Fisher 23:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake Creek vs Lakecreek

Hi! I got a very nice letter from the government today. I am so excited I have to frame it! It points me to here: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1144788 . This Lake Creek thing has been a good experience for me, and scored me an A in two different classes. The whole thing went over quite well. Thank you for the direction. Zab 00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of colleges and universities in Oregon

Thanks.. I've never even been to Oregon, I've just taken an interest in improving the state-by-state college lists. This is the second one I've done after Vermont. Toohool 00:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! :) Toohool 03:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 5 in Oregon

Please see Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken. Some of the topics are capable of having separate articles; North Roseburg in fact does. In other places, you changed the community name, which is on signs, to the road name, which is not. --NE2 09:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The actual text in the article was fixed in my edits. --NE2 15:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction and Oregon Geographic Names

Could you look up Cave Junction in your OGN book? I'm trying to expand the lead, and this is the glaring ommition so far. - Peregrine Fisher 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to, but I have to finish editing something that has a real world deadline. I might be able to do it tonight if you're lucky, otherwise sometime tomorrow. Katr67 20:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds great, Whenever you have a chance is fine. - Peregrine Fisher 20:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Just in case you were wondering, I am part of the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and thought it would have been a good idea to randomly select a few users from there for a third party participation. So, you were one of the editors I randomly selected that was listed on that WikiProject page. Please accept my humble appologies about this. I hope there are no hard feelings. Kind regards. Wiki Raja 22:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I accept your apology. Please don't ever try secret canvassing again, and remember that removing friendly reminders from your user page can be construed as vandalism (and calling such friendly reminders vandalism is just a really bad idea and isn't going to gain you any friends). It's good to be passionate, just don't break the rules when doing so. Katr67 22:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem. The reason I have been taking off these comments is that in the past I have had a lot of other users post blatant warnings on my page for no reason. And often times harassing ones. Thus, I have posted on the top of my talk page that I reserve the right to remove comments I deem offensive. Regards. Wiki Raja 23:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Follow up

Just wanted to thank you for your discussion with me, as well as the others involved with Bend High School's Wiki Page. No hard feelings with the unsourced materials, the revisions, or the kids. I'm trying to get into reverting unencyclopedic and irrelevant materials, other than vandalism. Feel free to message me anytime in my Talk page with whatever you need. I might be interested in joining Wikiproject: Oregon. It just depends on my hours at work, and my school work. Thanks again. Happy wiki'ing! BeanoJosh 07:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Week 1 October WP:ORE COTW

I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for this week’s COTW, so here they are: Barlow Road and Columbia River Plateau. Both are almost Start class, just some formatting and referencing, plus a little expansion and they will be there!

As to last week, it is difficult to track the items we were working on, but I know some pictures were added and at least three red links were removed from Oregon, so thank you to all those who participated. The award winner will be GoodDamon for their creation of the Oregon Forest Resources Institute article. We have now worked through all the Top class stubs and are into the High class stubs. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Happy editing, and remember if you see a downed power line, don’t pick it up. Aboutmovies 20:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:"Spamming" talk pages

oops, sorry, lesson learned, I did add it to the list on WP:ORE prior to putting a message on a few users talk page. I will not do the same next time. Thank you, Tiptoety 03:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Nestling

Ooh, I always had a hunch the Columbia River Plateau was nestled into the Columbia Basin. But it looks like some kind of double-nestling…the Basin is nestled in the Plateau, is nestled into the Basin! Awesome! I'm gonna go updated those articles! ;) -Pete 05:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

West Union

Absolutely no hurry, but when you have a chance could you check OGN to see how accurate this info is. West Union accounts for three redlinks at the Hillsboro article, so sometime before the end of the year I'll put something together. Thanks. Aboutmovies 07:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's accurate. OGN doesn't mention them being the first white folks, and has a better quotation about the name. I can make a stub as soon as I take care of Cave Junction. Scottsburg, Oregon showed up overnight, by the way. Katr67 14:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've got a few other sources for West Union too. That Scottsburg article is one of the sadest stubs I've seen. Aboutmovies 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

still cranky?

Where do I go to sign up for your online wikipedia tutorial? --Esprqii 23:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Novick

Hey'der Kay-der,

I did some work on the Steve Novick article, but I'm not sure if it was enough to warrant the removal of the advert banner. That removal was done by one of the people puffing him up. You might consider putting it back up, if you think the article still needs work. Your call of course, just FYI. -Pete 21:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the work and the heads up. Katr67 21:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Silver Lake (Oregon)

Nice save! I knew that there must be a "Silver Lake" somewhere in Oregon, but didn't have the means to improve it, and the creator didn't give us much to work with. Acroterion _(talk) 22:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Idaho

Thanks. I try to tag articles as I see them. Don't worry about offending me, I would let you know. Again, thanks. --Robbie Giles 15:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

WPOR CoTW: Don Schollander & Conde McCullough

Greetings WPOR world. Last week was great with the Barlow Road seeing lots of improvement, maybe even B class. Columbia River Plateau also saw some improvement, maybe enough to bump it to Start. On with the countdown, another two Stubs in the High category, both happen to be people: Don Schollander a multi-gold medalist; and then world-renowned bridge architect and all-around swell guy Conde McCullough. Schollander needs sources more than anything, and McCullough needs more of a bio, plus maybe a nice chart for the bridges with type/year/location/length. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. This week’s safety tip, stranger=danger. Aboutmovies 18:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Dinos and size

I took a look at the dino people, and the article size list would be interesting. I don't know how much it would help in the FA drive, but it wouldn't hurt. I think the reason the dino WP is successful with the FA process is it appears they work together on prepping the articles, which likely means more participation at the FA review point. I think the OSC failed only due to lack of support, not because it wasn't quality. After the first nom I thought the WPOR problem was cooperation, which is why I started the COTW, so we'll see how it goes now with the 2nd nomination. If that doesn't get the job done, then I don't know what will. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a "I like it this way better" versus "this part doesn't meet the MOS," which is what it is supposed to be about, otherwise it will never pass since everyone has a their own style preferences. At least that's my two cents. So, how would we get a list by article size? Aboutmovies 18:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Linfield College

Hello Katr67. A while ago you removed a chunk of information about Greek societies, clubs, majors, and club sports becuase they weren't encyclopedic. I was wondering how one writes them to be sufficiently encyclopedic, or if they should be left out altogether. Note most colleges have a greek section at least. I will rewrite the greek section to be a paragraph with more information, but if you have anymore suggestions or reasoning for not having the other sections, please tell. Thanks a ton! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerRichter (talk • contribs) 09:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for asking. First of all, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS--what other articles have in them should have little or no bearing on what this article has in it. (However, read on...) According to the guidelines at WikiProject Schools (which is about primary and secondary schools, but still has some bearing here), these are the sorts of things school articles should not have in them. Wikipedia is not a directory, and long lists (or huge blocks of text) of majors, etc. do not belong in articles. The Greek paragraph looks better now, but it would be better to add some history as well. Note that many articles about colleges don't list the Greek houses by name at all. Basically you want to have paragraphs that give an overview of each section of the article, not just a list. As for how to make the other sections more encyclopedic, that's tough, because if you do what I would recommend, which would be to highlight some of the more unusual or prestigious programs at the school, you can be sure everyone else will want to add his or her major to the list. I'd leave club sports out all together. Check out WikiProject Universities for more suggestions, especially the part about the structure of articles. Check out some featured articles about colleges and universities. (disclaimer: the content I'm referring to may or may not have been in the article when it was given featured status) You can see some of the larger colleges have a separate list of Greek houses, which would be silly to do for Linfield, others simply say there are X number of frats and X number of sororities. They all give a bit of overview and history of the Greek programs at those schools. Any encyclopedia article should have well-cited information from reliable sources, and a good one about a college should have information that goes beyond (and is sourced from other than) what one can find by surfing the college's website. (without the language coming across as boostering or promoting the school) I hope that helps! Katr67 13:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Disappearing geolinks

Aggh. What a horrible mess. I think we should weigh in (again) at the Coordinates WikiProject. You can post a message to the whole community at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Style issues (if this counts as a style issue) or Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Policies (if this is a policy). Another WikiProject who may care is Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities (who explicitly call for a Geolinks in their U.S. Cities guidelines). hike395 02:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Howard W. Robertson

I'm not sure where I can help with this article: activity on this article has appeared to have stalled. However, from his publications history, I'd say he just passes the bar for notability -- being published by a univeristy press IMHO tips the scale. But, as you said on the talk page, the article is a mess. -- llywrch 05:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind weighing in with my opinion; sometimes I like to hear myself talk. ;) More to the point, I am concerned by his response to Aboutmovies "You are not the community" -- an attitude like that either gets changed or gets the person with it shown to the door. I'd rather see him change the 'tude. -- llywrch 15:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Help please

Hey, i guess Image:Ep1002oregonstatepolice.jpg does not have a fair use rational. I am not sure how to properly create a fair use rational for this image. Would you mind helping me out? Tiptoety 22:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm crap at copyright stuff, but I can take a look. You might ask Aboutmovies too. Katr67 22:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, it looks like it should be OK to use if it's actually used in an article--"fair use" doesn't extend to it sitting around waiting for someone to use it for something. You may wish to make a simple statement about which article you're going to use it in and why that use is fair use. However I don't think you can put the GNU license on it as it's not yours to license. Katr67 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks, i will ask Aboutmovies. thanks again. Tiptoety 23:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Images

There's this really cool tool at http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/watchflickr.php that searches Flickr for free images based on WP categories and uploads them to commons. I've been running through various Oregon related cats:Oregon; Portland, Oregon; Buildings in Oregon; etc. I highly recommend it,what would take hours now takes minutes. - Peregrine Fisher 17:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Content

post copied to Talk:Great Cats World Park

Hello,

I have a concern about an article I found on Wikipedia regarding my company Great Cats World Park. I was wondering what I need to do to have the article US Fish and Wildlife Service probation removed.

The articles referenced are from The Daily Triplicate. I would also like to know if the newspaper gave permission to post these articles or if they were posted illegally.

My reasons for having the articles removed are because they are biased and reflect a negative image of my company. Under court order I was not allowed to tell my side of the story about the fine and the facts of the case are much different than what was written in the newspaper article.

Any help you can give me on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Craig Wagner Director Great Cats World Park http://www.greatcatsworldpark.com info@greatcatsworldpark.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.168.35 (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. I'm posting this to the article's talk page for further discussion. Katr67 21:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:NC(S) input

Hello, as you might have noticed I have brought up a new proposal for a guideline on school naming conventions. However, there has been very little input for it to go anywhere. I remember you were involved in the last proposal, so I would appreciate your input once again at WT:NC(S) if possible. Thanks. Camaron1 | Chris 11:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiOregon COTW

Greetings once again WikiProject Oregon members. Thank you to those who help out with improving Conde McCullough and Don Schollander last week. This week is a Stub break, with a Ref improvement drive for Oregon and a request for work on Portland Police Bureau. For the ref improvement, this means sourcing tagged statements and standardizing all existing citations, both of which are needed for GA and FA status. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 18:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Tower Theatre (Bend, Oregon)

Hi There,

I have tried it again. Please have a look and let me know if this is a better start. I will keep working on the article, this is my first "major" article, so I appreciate your patience ;-) Nostrada 07:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

no pressure or anything

Many moons ago, we ran into each other on my first and only attempt to offer feedback at Editor review. I just wandered onto that page again, which prompted me to see if you were still around. Would you care to revisit your response to the second to last question on your FAQ? - BanyanTree 08:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

By which I mean: want a nom? - BanyanTree 05:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, thanks for asking, I'm glad to think I'd make the cut though. Scientizzle has a nom all written up for me if I decide to do it, and a couple other people have also expressed interest (hence the note in my FAQ). I've got myself on incivility notice, however, which I recently had to reset, and don't plan to ask for a nom until I think I have a clean slate. I don't relish having every stupid thing I've done brought up to the light--I've seen some of those Rfas--they can be brutal. I'd rather quietly do my thing in my little corner of the wiki. I'll be sure to let you know if I change my mind though, thanks again! Katr67 13:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least you have a accurate sense of RFA.  ;) I'll wait to see you pop up there. Cheers, BanyanTree 22:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Port of Longview

Hello Katr67, thank you for your suggestions. Yes, I am associated with the Port of Longview. I have attempted to edit the article to make it as neutral-point-of-view as possible. Please let me know if you have additional suggestions or even specific instructions on how to do things. I am new to Wikipedia and am learning as I go. The trouble is that there are not very many sources within Wikipedia that I can reference. I also do not understand the signature concept. Your assistance is appreciated. Sincerely, longviewport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longviewport (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Manifest Destiny

Hello Katr67. I noticed your "unearthing" of extensive deletions from this article last year. It seems to me that the other material which was deleted (in addition to the part you restored) was in fact sourced, and should be returned to this article. There is a multiplicity of sources cited and the edit summary which accompanied the deletions did not indicate what parts were in question. I am prepared to restore the former text, as you did with the one paragraph. What do you think?

There is a large amount of vandalism on this page during the school year. I succeeded in getting it semi-protected last spring; we may have to resort to that again. It is good that someone else is watching it. Regards, Kablammo 22:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Eugene Franklin Skinner

Hi,

It was nice to see your work on EFS on Wiki. I haven't searched for additonal information on him in quite awhile. The picture of the his sculpture was a delight to view.

My mother's maiden name was Helen May Skinner and she is the great-granddaughter of Eugene F. Skinner and I the great-great-grandson.

As my brothers and I were growing up in Oak Grove/Milwaukie, Oregon, my mom was always proud to state her heritage and instilled that in us.

As a child I often visited my grand parents Eugene and Emma Skinner in Eugene and always knew how important it was to them for me to realize my pioneer history.

Pauline Walton a distant cousin, daughter of Judge Walton in Lane County made quite an impression on me. She really carried the family torch. Being the head librarian at U of O put her in a position to keep the family history alive and often in the news. Her diary was donated to the library.

When my mom moved from La Grande to Eugene attending University High School, she stayed with Pauline in the Judge Walton home, now Moreno's Mexican restaurant on E. Broadway. Our family dined there many times over the years. We confirmed much to my mom's delight that the heat vent my mom sat on while doing her homework was still there.

Well I do go on. Anyway, thanks very much for your contribution to the pioneer history of Eugene Franklin Skinner.

Sincerely,

Kenneth W. Darling

<email address removed by Katr67 to save you from spambots--these pages get copied all over the Internet>

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.193.154.234 (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! I think Moreno's has changed hands recently and goes by a different name. I have a picture of it I took when I was doing a project on rural Gothic Revival architecture in Eugene...unfortunately it's on a hard drive I can't access right now. I didn't know it was Judge Walton's home (or I had forgotten) I think I just recognized it was Gothic from the center gable and didn't do any research into it... I've also got a shot from a different angle of the Skinner statue. If I end up uploading any of this stuff to Wikimedia Commons I'll let you know. I'll have to check out Judge Walton and see if he needs an article as well. Thanks for writing! Katr67 19:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Found a picture of Moreno's: http://www.historiceugene.com/history.cfm?id=23 Katr67 19:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Avery Dennison

Hi Katr67! I had added one of Avery Dennison's websites, www.printandmailcenter.com, to the Avery Dennison entry. Avery Print and Mail Center is the direct mail marketing group of Avery Dennison Office Products and would like to included in the Avery Dennison properties, would it be better to have an entry created for the company itself or, since I'm directly involved (they've been a client for 8 years) have someone else edit the entry? Thanks so much for your guidance. I'll be participating in one of the wikipedia projects to become better educated about site guidelines. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisawilliams40 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Camp Pioneer

I noticed you'd contested the prod for Camp Pioneer - the article is now up at AfD, so thought you may wish to drop by and explain your reasoning. Thanks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Western States Chiropractic College entry

I re-entered the changes I had made earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddloggan (talk • contribs) 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are you telling me this? What is your reasoning? It's a copyright violation, which is against Wikipedia policy. The material needs to be paraphrased. If it isn't a copyvio please discuss it on the article's talk page. Katr67 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Roland Smith

Well, shoot, I know he's fairly notable...I trip over his books every morning. But his website lists so gosh-darn many piddly awards I can't sift through them all right now. --Esprqii 22:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

If you unspeedy him, I'll try to put in a little more on him. I haven't done an author before (that is, I haven't written an article about one...oh never mind) so I'm not sure what a bare minimum article would look like. Seen any short-n-sweet articles I can emulate? --Esprqii 22:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. --Esprqii 23:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week

Howdy doody ya’ll WPOR poke, time for more COTW. Thanks for the work on Portland Police Bureau and improving the references at Oregon. This week we are back to Stubs with Eastern Oregon and Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. Both need just a little TLC to make it to Start. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Concerning recent: Western Oregon University edits

Hello, I am obviously new to this and do not understand all of the in and outs of this process. As far as gaining permissions to use images specifically Copyright problems with Image:1871 Campbell.jpg^{(warning body removed)} and text from University printed material. The University and the State of Oregon would be considered the copyright holder. I have been given permission through through the PR office and my job description to use a wide range of images as well as text from various printed material like the current catalog which provides excellent paraphrased information. I am also considered a contact concerning the release of printed and online materials for publication. So is it okay for me to give other folks permission to use this, but not use it myself or how do I note that myself or any other individual can act as an representative of the copyright holder (the univ). Also for elements like history, if it is published by the univ is this considered proper documentation or do I need other documentation - the library archives would be the provider.

Concerning conflict of interest. I do work as the web designer and was tasked to update and monitor this page with current information. I have no problem with many of the directions for conflict of interest sense we have very strict rules here about using material for monetary or promotional purposes. Also the individuals making these request will understand these limitations too. It would seem that anybody interested and knowlegable in a specific area would have a conflict of interest in their topic. Many proffesors here edit their areas of special study sometimes using quotes from their or other like minded individuals work. So from what I gathered it is not just a matter of having a possible conflict of interest, but really using the forum to actively promote a view over the stated goals of Wikipedia.

I did notice that there are specific entries on academic departments added by faculty, which I am not free to remove because of perceived academic freedom violations. Would these actually belong in a list or a special feature and how would they document this information (is it better to make the footnote be a link to the material online or in printed format). Also is it proper to link to the current online listing of this information (as a footnote or inline).

I will have to admit so far the easiest way for me to find the correct methods of adding material and making edits is to just go at it and wait until I get a notice with the correct link. The help and user guides are written like the refference pages with too much info on the reasons and very little specific how too examples, and is it my imagination or do the links on copywritten materials take me back and forth to the same pages. Note: I use mostly tech help message boards more than research tools.

Is there a spell check or should I always use firefox with the dictionary plug-in?

I was hoping for an reply to editor button to send this message so hopefully was not placed in the wrong place.

thanks Moonpoint 20:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

If you were to look at the Encyclopædia Britannica article for Western Oregon University, what would you expect to find? Would you expect odds and ends from the college's recruiting brochures? Would you expect phone numbers? Would you expect it to be written by an advocate of the University? No. All of those are expected in college recruiting and donor sales materials, but definitely not in an encyclopedia.

Rather than getting and documenting copyright permission, it is almost certainly far easier in this case to not copy material which is protected.

There is no "reply to editor": It is the work of millions of unpaid, volunteer editors. Our payment is a job well done?—and maybe a little appreciation. —EncMstr 21:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I find your writing style hard to follow, but I will try to address all the points you brought up.

1) I'm not the one to whom to explain the copyright of your image. You will need to follow the instructions on the diputed image's page and provide the proper permissions or the image will be deleted. If at any time you're having trouble figuring out the instructions, use the {{helpme}} function on your talk page and an editor should be along shortly to help you.

2) I hope that because you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you have read the COI guidelines carefully. They do not preclude you editing the article, but I think you are beginning to understand their implications.

3) "So is it okay for me to give other folks permission to use this, but not use it myself or how do I note that myself or any other individual can act as an representative of the copyright holder (the univ)."

You will need to follow the procedures at WP:COPY to show that you have permission to use the material. Remember that anything posted to Wikipedia (text and images) needs to be able to be used under the GFDL--that is, it needs to be able to copied and widely distributed by anyone outside Wikipedia. However, I'd suggest taking EncMstr's advice and rather than seek permission to use copyrighted material, rewrite the material so it fits our NPOV guidlines.

4) Documentation is provided by citing your sources.

5) "I did notice that there are specific entries on academic departments added by faculty, which I am not free to remove because of perceived academic freedom violations."

Are you still referring to the Wikipedia article? I'm not getting how you think these were added by faculty, nor why academic freedom violations would apply here on Wikipedia. At one point you did remove this section, and someone else reverted it, but this is because you did not provide an edit summary explaining why you removed it. Unexplained blanking of content is almost always perceived as vandalism.

6) "Would these actually belong in a list or a special feature and how would they document this information (is it better to make the footnote be a link to the material online or in printed format). Also is it proper to link to the current online listing of this information (as a footnote or inline)."

Check out WikiProject Universities for examples of how to handle sections about academic departments. You can also ask your questions on the WikiProject's talk page. Again, you will need to follow the format laid out at WP:CITE. Linking to the current webpage that backs up the facts stated in the article is OK. It would be good to provide outside sources besides the University's webpage, for balance, if any such sources exist.

7) "I will have to admit so far the easiest way for me to find the correct methods of adding material and making edits is to just go at it and wait until I get a notice with the correct link. The help and user guides are written like the refference pages with too much info on the reasons and very little specific how too examples, and is it my imagination or do the links on copywritten materials take me back and forth to the same pages. Note: I use mostly tech help message boards more than research tools."

Well, one of the primary tenets of Wikipedia is be bold. However since your attempts at editing were reverted several times, at that point you need to slow down and discover why this is so. If you don't understand what happened to your edits, you need to check the page history and read the edit summaries therein. I'm sorry you find the the user guides confusing and unlike what you are used to. If you need help, there's always {{helpme}}, as mentioned above, and also the the Village Pump, where people are available to answer your questions.

8) Wikipedia doesn't have a built in spellcheck. I either copy and paste my articles into a text editor like Word and use the spellchecker there, or when I'm using FireFox as my browser, I use the spellcheck function built into it.

9) Some editors put a link to their talk page in their signature, everyone else, you just click on their user name in their signature and then when you are at their userpage, click on the tab at the top of the page that says "discussion". Yes, you did this correctly.

I honestly don't have the patience to explain Wikipedia policies any better or more succinctly than the policy and guideline pages to which I have linked. Please use the help resources I have mentioned above. Katr67 18:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with Katr67. Spend an hour or two reading the guidelines at WP:MOS, WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOT, and WP:COI. Does an hour of reading seem like too much? Consider how much time you've already wasted. Once those make sense, you should understand where we're coming from. —EncMstr 18:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

the one-woman J-Gil protection squad

Hey, good work on getting those images tagged. Sorry I didn't get to it quicker to share the load…I'll keep an eye out for new ones though. -Pete 22:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

My bad. Osława Dąbrowa (PKP station)

Sorry for not fixing it right away, i was in a rush and did not have time to cite the ref in the text, so i just added the tag. My bad. Tiptoety 04:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Image from sager orphans

Hi, thanks for informing me about the problem with the fair-use rationale of the image. I added a fair-use rationale as good as I could. I hope this will do it. Greetings from Europe Martin1971 18:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

BNSF&ATSF

Why have you deleted WikiProject Oregon from the BNSF & ATSF pages? Amreatsf4620 01:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think national entities are part of our scope. It's kind of like listing every state that has a Burger King. Some of those train articles are going to end up in all 50 state's WikiProjects, which is, IMHO, ridiculous. I plan to list the ones I opted out of on our project's page to make sure everyone agrees with me, don't worry, it won't be a unilateral decision. Why do you care? Katr67 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Why shouldn't I? I was just watching the pages for vandls and whanted to know why you deleted the project. Amreatsf4620 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope, not a vandal. :) Katr67 02:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up my new articles...I'm just not good at catsorting and whatnot, so I'm glad others will pick up my slack. Cheers, — Scientizzle 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for starting the articles. I'm glad you appreciate it--sometimes in my zeal I forget someone might still be working on the article. Now we just need a better pic of the 511 Building. The one I found doesn't do it justice. I think I'll drop a couple people a note--I guess it will be a good weekend for photography. Latr, Katr67 22:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Copywrite

What needs to be done to verify that permission has been granted from the copywrite holder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggler (talk • contribs) 23:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Read this about copyright: WP:COPY. However, its much better for the project if the material is written in your own words, using several outside sources. Like I said, Wikipedia isn't here to provide a duplicate of the state's website. Katr67 23:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)