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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 06:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nicole Gurny

Non-notable figure skater, fails WP:V. At age 16, she's never even competed in senior nationals, which means she fails the WP:ATHLETE criterion of competing at the "highest level of amateur sport." With only 106 unique G-hits [1], almost exclusively Wiki mirrors and figure skating websites, there are no reliable sources evident that would fulfill the general notability criteria. Prod removed by creator without comment. RGTraynor 14:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per RG. Fails WP:ATHLETE. -Djsasso (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has competed on the ISU Junior Grand Prix, which are ISU competitions for Junior skaters, and will compete at Senior nationals this season. Kolindigo (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We don't keep articles on something that might happen. Even if she is at the Junior Grand Prix, that is not the highest level of amateur competition and still wouldn't meet the expectations of WP:ATHLETE. As far as figure skating goes, the highest level of competition would be competitors in the Olympics or the World Championships. Also in general "junior" anything is not considered notable because the competition is not the highest level available, the highest level available always has no restrictions on age beyond a minimum age.-Djsasso (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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keep Yeah, I know... Crystal Ball... but to me, she's close enough and the specialists of the topic view her as a significant up-and-comer... I'm willing to give a little latitude on this one and see what collaboration comes up with.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: WP:CRYSTAL isn't optional; that's like saying "well, they say Soandso, who's been redshirted, is going to play quarterback for Notre Dame Real Soon Now, so he should have an article even if he hasn't actually appeared and there's no guarantee he ever will." That is exactly the situation WP:CRYSTAL is about. Until she's done it, she hasn't done it. When she's done it, if she does it, then an article is appropriate. RGTraynor 18:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, WP:CRYSTAL states that wikipeida is not a "collection of unverifiable speculation" -- this is verifiable speculation and I see that as different enough.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing "verifiable" about it. Nothing catastrophic actually needs to happen; all she does is pull a groin in the wrong week and poof! no senior nationals. No senior nationals, no senior international competition ... and poof! there's another year flushed at an age in the career of a figure skater where those who haven't proven themselves among the elite drop by the wayside. You're not unfamiliar with sports; that sort of thing happens all the time. For every Michelle Kwan and Sasha Cohen out there, there are a half dozen kids who looked like cocks of the walk in the junior ranks and never actually made it out of them. RGTraynor 19:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's verifiable that she's a competior, that she's good at what she does, and is expected to compete well at the upcoming level. It's unverifiable that she'll "pull a groin in the wrong week" -- Crystal Ball goes both ways. Anyway, I'm still good with it. There's no harm, there's no violation of any policy that I can see, true it's borderline at the moment but that's where I'm at.--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No violation? Interestingly enough, WP:CRYSTAL touches on this very point: "Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative." RGTraynor 21:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, no violation. The only "prediction" in the entire article is "She is due to make her Senior debut at the 2009 German Figure Skating Championships in Oberstdorf." That is actually a true statement that is verifiable. The rest of the article highlights her numerous and impressive international competition achievments.--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Except she hasn't made that appearance yet, which is what violates WP:CRYSTAL. Those impressive achievements as you put them unfortunately are not impressive enough to meet WP:ATHLETE, without meeting WP:ATHLETE it doesn't matter if she is or isn't going to be at those championships because she needs to meet WP:ATHLETE now not sometime next year. Trying to keep the article based on what she might be doing in 2009 is a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL. If she had other things to make her meet WP:ATHLETE this would be a non-issue but she does not. -Djsasso (talk) 00:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. The local T-ball league highlights the equally impressive (by comparison) achievements of its players, and as far as WP:ATHLETE is concerned, a kiddie T-ball league and novice and junior figure skating competitions have the exact same non-notable import when it comes to qualifying their competitors for articles. Until she competes in senior nationals, and only if she competes in senior nationals, she does not qualify for an article barring passing the general notability criterion of WP:BIO. RGTraynor 14:56, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I'd agree. If this were a local t-ball league (or equivalent) that would end it. But I don't see it that way--this would compare to be more of the world t-ball champion (or perhaps Little League World Series). But beyond that, there's plenty of news and media coverage outside WP:ATHLETE that she, in my opinion, meets WP:BIO general qualifications.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And Little League World Series players are just as non-notable. That being said, if you've found substantial articles about her from sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject, feel free to post the links. RGTraynor 16:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Stifle (talk) 20:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. TravellingCari 00:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Valley of the Sun (Ultimate)

The page in question refers to a non-notable organization, edited by only a few people. Matt T. (talk) 17:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:ORG. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Was a bit of a pain to research, since there are many org.s with "valley of the sun" in their name, and this is a common phrase in Phoenix. After all is said and done, however, I just couldn't find anything about these guys in a reliable source (wp:rs). PHARMBOY (TALK) 22:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'd say that the tourney might be notable as I'm sure there is plenty of news coverage between local sources and the UPA's news letter. I'd encourage the authors to shoot for that. Hobit (talk) 02:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Atlas of Sport in Brazil

There are claims of notability in this article but nothing to back it up with its English or Portuguese name. In fact the only thing I've found apart from wiki mirrors is the book's announcement TravellingCari 16:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non-notable. A google search brings up nothing that proves notability. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 16:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Echoing Julian on that. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The name in portuguese is "Atlas do Esporte no Brasil". [2]. I'm gonna have to check if there are independent reliable sources. But there is an article on pt-wiki: pt:Atlas do Esporte no Brasil. Tosqueira (talk) 22:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it's avaliable in at least 6 stores in Brazil: [3]. Tosqueira (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Cirt (talk) 00:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

USAG compulsory routines

Wikipedia is not for lists of gymnastics exercises. Tikiwont (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Well, Wikipedia is for lists of gymnastics exercises, in that a comprehensive article such as gymnastics has, and should have, an annotated list of the various forms of gymnastics. However, this is more of a curriculum than an encyclopedic list. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. I was indeed referring to stand alone lists of specific routines as this one and not to lists of exercises in general.--Tikiwont (talk) 15:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It seem to fall within the permissible topics for WP:LISTs, as they are outlined in WP:SALAT: this list's topic is well defined and neither too wide or too narrow. VG ☎ 19:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Gymnastics -- ratarsed (talk) 18:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:LIST states that lists of exercises are permitted. Maddie ^talk 18:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. stub with potential to grow. Relisting isn't likely to grow any more consensus. TravellingCari 04:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Skala (sports organization)

Article does not assert notability. VG ☎ 17:46, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is a stub, but it's referenced from a scholarly book. --Eastmain (talk) 20:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioned in passing if you look at the page numbers. VG ☎ 21:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I am all for expanding articles related to Polish history, but I am concerned about notability here. Not all organizations are notable. Why would this one be? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Never heard of the Jewish Section of the Communist Party of Poland. Communists were rather over-nationalistic, their motto: proletarians of all nations, unite, not separate. Looks like an OR to me, but I may be wrong. It needs some explanation, and now is the best time to do it. greg park avenue (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, notability might be an issue, but its certainly not an OR issue. Jewish sections were established in many communist parties at the time (see Yevsektsia), and the reference clearly identifies the organisation as connected to the Jewish section of the Communist Party. --Soman (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me; still, we need something to make this article notable, say, a name of a notable sportsman who made it to the Olymplics, or if not at least to the National Championship or any notable competition. Otherwise, it looks like a Little League in Baseball or a Day Care Squad in Soccer. Thanks. greg park avenue (talk) 01:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per A7. Perhaps this line belongs in an article about Judaism in Poland or Communism in Poland or ~~Communism and Judaism~~ Jewish Communists or somesuch, but it certainly doesn't compose one all on its own. (If it were actually marked as a stub, I wouldn't say this; that alone would be an implicit claim of notability. But it's not.) –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 04:47, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As per Eastmain's observations. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Piotrus, can you see if there are any references. Sports clubs like this usually do get into publications, though this is almost certainly pre-Google. DGG (talk) 03:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is one other definite hit (different book) in Google books. Based on the snipped I can read on Google, it's still only a mention in passing. You can definitely mention it one of the substantive articles Aponar gave, but a separate article seems unwarranted. VG ☎ 16:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Which book is that? i couldn't identify it (it's not in top 10 hits when i google). --Soman (talk) 17:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Emancipation Through Muscles by Michael Brenner, Gideon Reuveni, Universität München Institute of Jewish History. VG ☎ 18:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Sorry, it's the same book that's cited in the article. And mentions Skala in one short sentence "At least one local sports club---Skala (Rock)---consisted primarily of members of the Jewish Section of the Communist Party." Nowhere near enough to base an article on. VG ☎ 18:14, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, http://www.olszowka.most.org.pl/histspzyd.htm seems to mention Jewish Communist sports movement in the 1930s. Could anyone give a translation to Komunistyczna Partia Polski i ZKM zrzeszały w 1927 roku 76 klubów żydowskich? Also, could the name 'Skala' be incorrect? --Soman (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: from a few minutes research, it seems this was an initiative of the CP Jewish sections during the Popular Front era. It was one of the competing organisations of social/sports clubs tied to political parties during the inter-war years in Europe and the US. Its the same thing as the Maccabi clubs (Zionist), Hapoel clubs (Labour-Zionist), etc. I'll add a couple of leads for refs on the article talk page. T L Miles (talk) 18:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I hope those references are better than two sentences in a book (I checked page 99 as well; it is another one-sentence mention). WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument. VG ☎ 18:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. There seems to be enough material for an article on interbellum Jewish sport organizations (history), but I don't see enough material about Skala to meet the notability guidelines, let alone those for organizations: The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. VG ☎ 18:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How about moving to Jewish Communist sports movements in interbellum Poland? --Soman (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no nontrivial references in reliable sources. Stifle (talk) 14:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep But please expand a bit - way too stubby and also contextualize notability. Sources do seem to exist but we're dealing with timewarp issues (most sources arguably offline) and likely language barriers. Also noot some sources on talk page. -- Banjeboi 19:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Jewish section of the Communist Party, mentioned at http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9027932395&id=82ncGA4GuN4C&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&ots=wlRamGIAQ3&dq=zydokomuna+endeks&sig=oiNo2S0bQl7bW6EUb3edvKEcKXg#PPA290,M1 . --Soman (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Little League World Series announcers

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Parsons

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG because of WP:SIGCOV such as [[4]] (1/2), [[5]] (2/2), [[6]] [[7]], [[8]] and [[9]]. Was a WP:BEFORE check conducted? Let'srun (talk) 15:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Subject seems to meet GNG through various examples of SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rome Chambers

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Played a single, unremarkable game over 120 years ago. No other information can be found on him and the MLB's own website has the exact same info. Extremely doubtful that this player meets notability standards. Lindsey40186 (talk) 01:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some newspaper coverage: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. In-depth SIGCOV over 100 years after his death: [15] / [16]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If final outcome is not keep, then it should be redirected to Atlanta Braves all-time roster#C. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 02:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - besides the newspaper coverage found by BeanieFan above, Chambers is also profiled in The Rank and File by David Nemec, and thus meets GNG. Hatman31 (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Newspapers.com coverage presented above. Also I find [17] as the second result. I find the lack of WP:BEFORE disturbing. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the Asheville Citizen-Times articles provided by BeanieFan11 above. Mooonswimmer 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per GNG. Just because he played just one game that the nominator regards as "unremarkable" does not mean we override GNG. Rlendog (talk) 17:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The coverage provided in this discussion is all WP:SIGCOV independent of the source, which results in the subject meeting the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 17:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: despite a single unremarkable game, satisfies WP:GNG due to its independent coverage. Waqar💬 14:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Connor Lunn

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 14:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Subject meets the WP:GNG with sources such as [[18]] and [[19]]Let'srun (talk) 16:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The first source explained above is the better one, the second is only a brief profile. I don't find anything we'd use, mostly statistics on various sites. Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ernesto Wong

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable baseball career with no statistics, and no coverage outside playing city (Turin). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep the obituaries were published by several news outlets: TorinoToday, Repubblica, RaiNews, La Stampa, Corriere. It seems enough to justify GNG, but I found very little pre-death coverage. Broc (talk) 06:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sources above basically parrot each other in eulogizing him and mentioning that a relative plays for the Texas Rangers. There's nothing about Wong's career while he never played in a top-flight league. It's not enough to even establish WP:SPORTCRIT. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 21:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NSA (basketball)

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Not one source meets WP:GNG criteria. Toadspike (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of ESPN College Basketball personalities

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, there is none. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and Merge to ESPN College Basketball#Personalities with only the most notable announcers on that list. The article on its own is good for the fandom, it is otherwise WP:LISTCRUFT. Conyo14 (talk) 04:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of CBS Sports college basketball commentators

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, 506sports is a forum and collegehoopsnet is merely an announcment of a list of commentators, the other is a blogspot post; neither doing anything to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and Merge to College Basketball on CBS Sports#Commentators with only the most notable announcers on that list. This list does not meet WP:LISTN for this wiki, but for the fandom wiki, it's fine. Conyo14 (talk) 04:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources such as newspaper articles dating as far back as the early 1980s can easily be found and later added over a relatively short matter of time with the aid of Google News Archives as well as places like Awful Announcing for more "current" or up to date sources. There's also presumably, official press releases from CBS Sports itself. I would estimate, that sources can be filled up in roughly a day and a half. Also, who would fall under the criteria of being "the most notable announcers" among this particular list? Are we only referring to current announcers for CBS as of 2024, are we referring to announcers who only worked the March Madness tournament? BornonJune8 (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE applies. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve: There are secondary sources discussing these announcers as a group particularly for March Madness, as seen with [[20]], [[21]], [[22]], [[23] and [[24]] being found relatively quickly. I wouldn't oppose possibly reducing this to just the March Madness crews but sourcing does appear to show that the WP:LISTN is met. Again, this isn't a broadcasters schedule so I'm not sure how this is a WP:NOTTVGUIDE and I'm unsure which part of NOTDATABASE the nom thinks this violates. Let'srun (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of College Basketball on ABC personalities

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, 506sports is a forum and the ESPN now redirects to the main page, neither doing anything to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN since as the nom notes as the individuals listed here are not covered as a group in secondary sources. A WP:BEFORE check didn't come up with any sources to improve the article. Let'srun (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources are being added to this particular article at this very moment to further strengthen its notability. This is a work in progress of course, but at the very least, take into consideration, merging the this article with the main College Basketball on ABC article as a secondary option instead of out and out junking it. BornonJune8 (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to College Basketball on ABC#Personalities as an WP:ATD. This article is WP:LISTCRUFT with mainly WP:ROUTINE sourcing or WP:BLOG posts, fit for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this particular AFD was put into place, over 20 sources have been added. Of course, there could and should be more, but naturally, 20 is a huge leap and jump from the five that was initially there. BornonJune8 (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NCAA March Madness commentary crews for CBS/TNT Sports

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, most of these are WP:PRIMARY. Of the three remaining sources two of them is dead and one is nothing but listings and announcments, doing nothing to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: These crews get covered as a group in secondary sources such as [[25]], [[26]], [[27]] [[28]] and [[29]] (not to mention that these sources were just on the first page of results of a quick internet search). I'd say it passes the WP:LISTN criteria and I'm not sure what part of WP:NOTDATABASE the nom thinks this violates (or WP:NOTTVGUIDE, since this isn't covering a broadcast schedule). The current sources are mostly primary, but that is not a reason to delete any article on its own when secondary sources are shown to exist. Let'srun (talk) 22:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources found by Let'srun. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I figured when we get up to the most notable sporting events in the US that we would get more WP:SIGCOV. The article does need to be trimmed, but the sources provided by Let'srun suffice for WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 05:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Invitation Tournament postseason broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is a blogpost, one is a dead link, all the other four is WP:PRIMARY and the rest of this list are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NBA music

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Article tragically lacking in sources and dripping with WP:OR. Cleaning this up would reduce it to stub status. Few incoming pageviews. Dubious notability. I'm not finding any equivalent articles for major sports leagues. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 100% OR, with only random YouTube videos and listicles discussing the topic of "NBA Music" as a concept. Reference 3 comes close, but it is specifically about crosstalk between hip-hop culture and basketball; I guess some relevant content could be merged to Hip hop (culture). But the vast majority of the article is made-up or synthesized. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indication that this meets WP:GNG. Current content is WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 15:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of career achievements by Shaquille O'Neal

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This is an indiscriminate collection of trivia that is a clear WP:NOTSTATS violation. The most pertinent info is already in the main article so there is no need for any type of merge. Let'srun (talk) 00:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There's no need for this article. All the information is covered in the main Shaquille O'Neal article, and the poor sourcing doesn't demonstrate that a merge for the missing parts is necessary. Cortador (talk) 06:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For reference, there's recent NBA-related AfDs Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dennis Rodman, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Kevin Garnett, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Larry Bird, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwight Howard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul.—Bagumba (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NOTSTATS, and there's pretty resounding consensus by this point that nothing in Category:Career achievements of basketball players is notable. Would support a group nom to round these out and reduce editor effort. BrigadierG (talk) 21:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could see List of career achievements by Michael Jordan getting more push back, right or wrong, so either do him first or last.—Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think WP:TOOBIG would be the argument to keep that article, and I think it would survive a AfD. Let'srun (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of career achievements by Kevin Durant

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This is a collection of indiscriminate trivia that falls into WP:NOTSTATS. Let'srun (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment For reference, there's recent NBA-related AfDs Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dennis Rodman, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Kevin Garnett, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Larry Bird, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwight Howard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul.—Bagumba (talk) 07:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:NOTSTATS, and there's pretty resounding consensus by this point that nothing in Category:Career achievements of basketball players is notable. Would support a group nom to round these out and reduce editor effort. BrigadierG (talk) 21:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NBA All-Star Game broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Also LISTCRUFT (or WP:CRUFT). The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are about the game itself, many of those are YouTube links and none of those assert notability to this list. I also advise them to start a Fandom page if they want to save it so much. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, with sourcing from [30], [31] and [32]. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't stop the fact that this is still noting but a directory per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT. Less about WP:NOTTVGUIDE as it doesn't necessarily apply here, but since each broadcast and crew can be covered in each All Star Game, the collection in itself is not notable. Conyo14 (talk) 18:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The NBA All-Star Game is the National Basketball Association's big marquee annual event outside of the NBA Finals. Any further relevant information and sources always added to the article (such as through the aid of Google News Archives and what not) that can will help give it more notability. Also, the individual articles for each All-Star Game doesn't specifically specify or identify the exact role for each announcer like the play-by-play announcer, color commentator, sideline reporter, studio host, etc. This is where the lists in particular come into play as its presumably, a simpler and linear way to now about the television and radio broadcasting history and background. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said above in case you didn't read, WP:USEFUL covers the point you made. Also, WP:ILIKEIT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, adding TV listings as sources will not support your argument. This isn't 2004 anymore. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @SpacedFarmer: I don't understand your own argument about how adding TV listings as sources will not support my argument. How can you argue that the list previously didn't have enough sources to assert its notability and yet, immediately discount newspaper articles from those exact time periods. To me you can't argue that something needs to be deleted if it's mostly unsourced per WP:RS and then say that said sources like TV listings. Many of the sources that I added thus far by the way, were not simply and just general TV listings (like bullet points), but paragraphed and fairly detailed articles. What does saying that "it isn't 2004 anymore" have to do with anything? I don't exactly get your point and argument there and why that's of any relevance. BornonJune8 (talk) 12:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  WP:ROUTINE applies. SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Since this particular article was placed in an AFD, approximately 136 different sources have been added to help boost its notability. Previously, there were about 119 different sources, but now there are approximately 255 in total. Every decade for the All-Star Game on television has now been sourced consistently since at least starting with ABC's first televised All-Star Game in 1968. BornonJune8 (talk) 9:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

List of NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament Final Four broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, with sourcing from [33], [34] and [35].— Preceding unsigned comment added by Esolo5002 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't stop the fact that this is still noting but a directory per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The sources provided are about the ratings which can be a blurb in each Final Four article. However, media sections regarding which station, play-by-play, and color commentator is not necessarily notable to collegiate basketball (men's or women's). Conyo14 (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of WNBA Finals broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Entirely unsourced but a single one that is a TV listing, not asserting notability either. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:41, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Found these from 2023's: [36] and [37]. Conyo14 (talk) 21:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2018 Caloocan Supremos season

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG explicitly says that these are not presumed notable and thus require GNG sources. Misses that by several levels. The one source that the article has is about the league. "Stats" only article also relates to wp:not. Tagged for sources since January. Previously deleted. North8000 (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Have you noticed that all the teams from 2018 have season entries? Geschichte (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but now I looked....at just the ones in the NPP que. It is then further multiplied by articles on pairs of those teams. Titled as rivalry articles, where (per a quick preliminary look) the sources don't describe them as rivalries. North8000 (talk) 20:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as it stands, fails GNG on its face, but I'm not sure how to conduct a BEFORE search for this. SportingFlyer T·C 17:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMO the ones excluded by the SNG have a near-zero chance of having GNG level sources. North8000 (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Philippines. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cricket

Articles for deletion

2023 Washington Freedom Season

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Simply scorecards and an unnecessary content fork for a non-notable team in a non-notable tournament. The remark from the PROD removal was "it has potential"; beyond what is there at the moment, where is the potential? Enough coverage will never exist to flesh out a well written article, so this will always violate WP:NOTSTATS and fail WP:GNG. AA (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2023 Major League Cricket season Unnecessary content fork. Violates WP:NOTLIST and WP:NOTSTATS plus there's nothing here of note that isn't already included in the parent article. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Rugbyfan's rationale. --WellThisIs TheReaper ^Grim 00:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as unnecessary WP:CFORK. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Asim Munir (cricketer)

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Subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Utterly pointless nomination, obviously missed the outcome of the first AfD. AA (talk) 16:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The previous nomination closed as no consensus 56 days ago. Possibly a little soon for a renomination, but there is no requirement that a person wait any amount of time after a NC close. Frank Anchor 16:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Without a proper rationale, it's hard to consider your vote when the time comes to close this discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think by referring to the prior AFD, AA is implying that their rationale there still applies: 64 matches at the highest domestic level, likely to be coverage in Pakistan too. Unlike western media archives (like Gale, BNA, Trove), Pakistan print media remains largely non-digitalized. Common sense should dictate that in cases where a large number of matches are played by a cricketer, they are likely to be notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (copying my vote from the previous AFD, which still applies in full). The subject played 64 matches at the highest domestic level. Seems like a case where WP:COMMONSENSE needs to prevail, even if the references aren't quite to the level of GNG. Frank Anchor 16:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep My comments remain the same as the previous AfD. It is highly likely that there is offline sourcing or non-English language sourcing that is difficult to access that would pass the subject for WP:GNG given the career he had. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep read the last AFD, fully concur with the keep voters there. Most likely passes WP:GNG Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom fails WP:SIGCOV. No proof offered - per WP:NCRIC cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof.. Closing admin should ignore keep votes that couldn't find any significant coverage. 103.125.122.179 (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC) — 103.125.122.179 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- And likewise, unless a convincing explanation can be offered, this comment by an IP that has never edited before and is likely a WP:SOCK should be discounted; not to mention that NCRIC is a guideline and common sense is allowed to be used. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  IP links to Bangladesh, but definitely a WP:SOCK of someone. Checkuser? AA (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment about the relisting while taking no sides: On the one hand, the sock suggestion is serious. On the other hand, all information as of this relisting comes only from a single source: CricketArchive. Even if the self-proclaimed "most comprehensive, searchable and trusted cricket database in the world" turns out to be valid and reliable, a notable individual should pop up in other sources as well. If other valid sources worth adding exist, great. If not, that may pose a problem. It would be nice for this not to end in another "no consensus" again so soon after the last one. I'm saying this here because it seems a bit long for a formal relisting comment. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the last AFD (should not have been renominated so soon and I question how the nom came across it) and my rationale there. We need to use common sense. Unless someone can prove that some source from the era in Pakistan was searched in, then one cannot claim that this fails GNG – from my comment at the last AFD: it does seem the best option to be on the side of [common sense] for someone who seems ... to have played 64 top-tier matches in the fifth-most populous country in the world in its most popular sport. It is highly unlikely a person of such accomplishments would not have gained any coverage. I also question how four valid "keeps" plus one "delete from a sock" – which should be given no weight – equals "relist"... BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH, and as of today the IP has not been blocked. Consensus changes and one of the bolded keep votes didn't reference any policy. [User:Let'srun|Let'srun]] (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because the IP has not been blocked does not mean the almost certain sock should be given full weight. Common sense is absolutely a policy. Also, if you think my concerns about the nom are unfounded, would you tell me exactly how you came across this article, then? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:AOBF. I also wasn't referring to that vote. Let'srun (talk) 21:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What were you referring to, then? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first vote. Let'srun (talk) 21:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I guess I missed the "one of" part from "one of the bolded keep votes didn't reference any policy" – though I think the !vote implied that the rationale of keeping per common sense at the last AFD still applied, as I said above. Still think AA's !vote should be given weight. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

India at the 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup

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These articles are unnecessary WP:CFORKs from the main article 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, and are not required. We have never created articles for teams at Cricket World Cups before, as they are wholly unnecessary, and just copying content available on other articles, such as 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup and 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup squads. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating articles for other countries at this event:

Keep - The following articles would be suitable as in the T20 World Cup, many matches will be played and in these articles, the readers can read the per match summary, team's tournament progression, tournament kit, scorecard, per team statistics and many more of the respective cricket team at a single article, which is not possible to mention at the 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup article. Any articles which haven't been created earlier doesn't mean it is unnecessary, there should be an article to record any team's particular tournament edition journey. Wowlastic10 (talk) 09:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament summaries should be in the main article anyway, which would cover the important matches and information, so a split out for match summaries for every match including the WP:ROUTINE coverage ones is not required. Tournament kit would be WP:TRIVIA, team statistics sounds like it would violate WP:NOTSTATS/WP:TRIVIA. None of this sounds like encyclopedic content, and just because people create these articles for e.g. IPL teams (which are questionable to do anyway), that doesn't mean they are valid WP:CFORKs for this tournament. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can we keep it until first week of T20 World Cup? If you feel it useless then also, then you're free to delete it. What say? Wowlastic10 (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be against this, as the onus is to prove that they are valid articles, not keeping in the hope they might be, against any evidence that they'll be anything other than a WP:CFORK with trivia and stats obsessions (like the IPL season articles). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: The concept is basically like India at the 2020 Summer Olympics, where pages like India at the Cricket World Cup are split for every edition. This is infact a very important addition to wikipedia and should be made for all teams having played every ICC tournament. Like the IPL teams, county teams; this is a very valuable addition as each page will contain stuff others cant.

I have been working on similar articles in my private space, but havent published them yet as I want to properly finish the thing before publishing.

@Wowlastic10 I would encourage you to make similar articles for all editions of the T20 World Cup. Do remove the words ICC Men’s and make it like India at the 2024 T20 World Cup; following the common name process. Furthermore, include national stats such as viewership, tournament stats of players of that country, pictures, quotes, squad information and match details with some description. Pharaoh496 (talk) 05:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not rename these as suggested without WP:RM consensus, as the main article is at 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup. Also this comment doesn't address WP:CFORK. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More squad information such as matches played by each person, caps, etc
Proper matchwise description - not there on any other page
More information about reaction of said mactches and tournament in the country
Place to add pictures

Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Information on individual players as well. Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More squad information such as matches played by each person, caps, etc - can be added to squad article, as has been done for some 50 over World Cup events.

Proper matchwise description - only needed for notable matches, not those with routine coverage. This is an encyclopedia, not a fandom site.

Reactions are mostly trivial and unencyclopedic, and any events/reactions that are actually important can go in the main article.

Lots of pictures violates WP:NOTGALLERY

So none of these are a good reason to create these WP:CFORKs. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect/merge to 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup I agree with the nom. I don't see these as being necessary as content for these forks will just be re-hashed details for the main article, and then lists and stats that violate WP:NLIST and WP:NOTSTATS as they will just be random indiscriminate. If a particular team has a 'special' tournament, or gains significant coverage for another reason, then perhaps a fork can then be made, but one for each team is unnecessary, and the comparison to the Olympic articles doesn't wash given how much bigger an event (with loads more events and athletes) than a cricket tournament. We don't have forks for Football World Cup articles for example. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But providing more knowledge should be the aim of wikipedia, and these lists provide extra information about the playing nation than the main article. Wowlastic10 (talk) 10:21, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per @Wowlastic10, this can be more than a list, and it warrants an article for each country. If the article does not have unique info it can be merged back. Pharaoh496 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I'm saying, thanks for explaining it on my behalf. Wowlastic10 (talk) 10:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But providing more knowledge should be the aim of wikipedia- true, but putting information into various sub articles so people can add stats trivia isn't the best way of displaying it. We have an article on the events and squad articles, and those are the main 2 things about each team anyway. WP:CFORKs are still not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. I can see these becoming unnecessary, poor quality, content forks consisting of minimal prose and just scorecards... nothing which can't be included in the main tournament article. AA (talk) 10:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let this discussion end, i'll again start including all the necessary details Wowlastic10 (talk) 04:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dont mean to bludgeon, but this has high chances of not ending up as a mere stub; per my reasons stated above. Each ipl team gets an annual page for its tournaments, as do the english county teams. This will only broaden and improve wikipedia's scope on the matter, considering the quality of cricket articles on here is way down compared to other sports. Pharaoh496 (talk) 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OSE, just because other events like the IPL get articles like this every year (which I don't agree with anyway), that doesn't mean these should too. Nobody so far has demonstrated why this isn't an unnecessary WP:CFORK. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How many times a player has played in the tournament - how many matches a swuad member played

top 5 batting and bowling averages in the team etc

catches and dismissals

reaction / outrage / media coverage of tournament and team in said country

prizes and awards won by players for performance in tourney

explicit knockout stage performances

I respect your opinion wholeheartedly, but ipl and county teams have existed for long, with some of them featured and good articles. This is an opportunity for editors, who will add more valuable info and like i said, simply broaden wikipedia’s scope. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of these things are encyclopedic enough, and no article with them will be a GA or FA if the process for GA or FA is applied properly. County teams don't have season articles and most IPL teams have tables and no prose, which is what these articles are and likely will always be. This is an encyclopedia and not a fandom site. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It's easy for a visitor to get all the details about their desired team at one place. I'd say we keep the Teamwise articles and should nominate the Squads article for deletion. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 02:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
If the squads article isn't there, and all the fixtures are instead transcluded from the main page; it won't be a WP:CFORK. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 03:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
WP:ILIKEIT. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:42, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not what I like, it's a suggestion to improve these articles. Vestrian24Bio (U, T, A, C, S) 07:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Squad articles are a cricket standard for these events, and can be expanded easily. These country articles are not standard or needed, swapping one squad article for loads of country articles is not a good solution. Just because it's the sort of thing WP:IPL would do, that doesn't mean other cricket tournament articles should do that. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, pretty much the point. Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete samee converse 01:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I found several references using this search by focusing my search on Dawn.com, a leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources here seem to all be tangential coverage of him playing for his team. The first hit isn't even of Abdul Ameer but of a M. Abdul Ameer who seems to be unrelated. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete too poor to stay on Wikipedia, not much to salvage around here. Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Acartonadooopo, it's the English Wikipedia's rule that Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. It doesn't matter whether the current version of the article is "too poor to stay on Wikipedia", because the question here at AFD is whether the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia:Separate, stand-alone article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers Not sure I'm seeing enough in a search to suggest a WP:GNG pass, however there could well be offline coverage. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugbyfan22 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sources likely to exist in Pakistan; taking 100 first-class wickets is no mean feat. AA (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sources likely to exist" is a WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect, zero SIGCOV to be found and no evidence that anything exists offline. JoelleJay (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Nothing found or presented which meets SIGCOV. This is a BLP. Subject has received bare mentions from a single source. Everything else is unsupported assertion and a stats database. BusterD (talk) 20:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found in article or in BEFORE which meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing meeting SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 14:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers: Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Football

Takuro Okuyama

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Yet another really poorly sourced BLP on a footballer that only played 46 mins of football. Japanese Wikipedia has no decent sources. He is mentioned 3 times in this blog post and once in Reds Denk but this is far from enough for WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:23, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kota Yanagisawa

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Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. The only half-decent source found is Livedoor, a blog post, which falls short of being WP:SIGCOV of Yanagisawa and, in any case, WP:SPORTBASIC and SIGCOV require multiple good sources for a pass. Japanese Wikipedia doesn't have any acceptable sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasuhiro Tanaka (footballer)

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in 1 cup game then disappeared, although he was briefly on the books for Operário Ferroviário Esporte Clube. Searching in Japanese, I can only find Niigata University and J League, neither of which are significant. I couldn't find any coverage of his very brief spell in Brazil. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shotaro Dei

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in one 2nd tier match and then disappeared to the amateur levels. Searching in Japanese, I can only find a couple of self-published blog posts like La Bola and LiveDoor, which are not considered to be WP:RS. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shoji Yamada

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Unacceptable sourcing on a BLP for a footballer that played in 2 cup games then disappeared. Searching in Japanese, I can only find coverage of the musician of the same name. I've had a look at Japanese Wikipedia but none of the sources there show WP:SIGCOV. Similar case to Yuki Toma and Kei Hirata, which were created by the same editor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:34, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Mensah

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no WP:SIGCOV demonstrated. The best that I can find are Abidjan 1 and Abidjan 2, both passing mentions in Ivorian media. The Feyenoord mentioned is the one in Ghana, not the Dutch team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I fixed the link to the Voice of America article, which seems pretty good. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring it. I'm not going to withdraw this AfD yet as I don't think that it's enough on its own for a GNG pass. The coverage is Fifteen-year-old Francis Joe Mensah is one of the academy's best players, a lightning-quick, technically solid, left back, who can also play left wing. He predicts he will make it in Europe. He says he has no fear of failure. followed by a quote from the subject. I also think WP:YOUNGATH might apply given the age of the subject at the time (the coverage does not seem to be substantial and prolonged). I'd be interested to know what others think. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. One source on its own not enough. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ekene Emigo

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Another creation by Zombie with a lot of dubious info; I can find nothing to verify the move to Leicester City nor the 1 cap for Nigeria. This hasn't always been unsourced. It's previously had the unreliable WP:TRANSFERMARKT as well as a link to National Football Teams, although the profile linked has no confirmation of his cap or even his DOB. He definitely existed because I found trivial mentions in Modern Ghana and RSSSF but none of this is even close to WP:SIGCOV. This article has existed for 16 years without a decent source so, if we can't find one, it needs deleting. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ignatius Ekwunife

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Another poorly sourced BLP by a banned editor, see User talk:Zombie433 for more examples of these. The only sources found are All Africa 1, a paywalled source that says Ugochukwu Nwankwo, Diri Otimoti and Ebitimi Agogo will run the midfield and Teddy Lucky, Ignatius Ekwunife and Amakiri George in the fore. and All Africa 2, which says The goal disorganised Sharks the more and three bookings to Ignatius Ekwunife, Festus Umasah and Chidiekeke Okefe in a spate of five minutes

These are both passing mentions in a match report and do not constitute WP:SIGCOV. I am unable to verify anything else from this stub and, even if I could, notability is still a big issue. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olatunji Adeola

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One of many dubious BLPs created by the same permanently banned user, see User talk:Zombie433 for many other examples. I have searched all combinations of Olatunde/Olatunji Adeola Waidi, including changing the name order, and found no useful coverage. All I can find is the same Sky Sports article already used. It's a passing mention so does not comply with WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kadhum Auda

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Does not appear to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. The current archived reference seems to only be a single sentence database entry, and a WP:BEFORE search revealed only similarly trivial mentions/database entries.

As an aside, I believe that this is the first article I have nominated for deletion, so please let me know if I have missed something here. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 01:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete– Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 A-League Women finals series

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Almost all of the article is already shown in the 'parent' article 2023–24 A-League Women, aside from a separate map with the subset of the teams that made the finals, so there is scant additional relevant information in this Fork to warrant a stand-alone article. The level of detail is equivalent to that shown in articles of previous seasons of the A-League Women Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – To 2023–24 A-League Women. Svartner (talk) 04:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 13:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mubarak Al-Breik

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Had a brief career filled with cameo appearances before disappearing in 2020. No sign of any WP:SIGCOV. The closest that I can find is a press conference quote in El Sport, which contains no significant independent analysis of the player. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulelah Al-Zahrani

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Played only a handful of professional games with no apparent WP:SIGCOV. My searches in Arabic don't yield anything other than social media posts, which do not indicate notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. As the athlete played for Al-Ansar for several years, if sources are located, I will change my vote. Svartner (talk) 04:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saeed Hizam

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Only had a brief professional career with no evidence of passing WP:GNG. The only mention of him that I can find from independent news sources is Arabian Gulf League, which is merely a passing mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. A transactional announcement here and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of South China AA footballers

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as an indiscriminate list of players. Let'srun (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge – With South China AA. The information about the players is relevant to be in the main article, but the fork isn't necessary. Svartner (talk) 04:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - indiscriminate list. Definitely do not merge, the club's article should not be bloated with a massive list of (apparently randomly selected) past players
Delete - no evidence of notability. These kind of articles can be notable, this one is a mess. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FA Cup broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is a Twitter post; and the rest are merely announcements, some are WP:PRIMARY. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. If sources are found to prove this meets WP:LISTN, please ping. Conyo14 (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 04:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Hill KF

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 6th tier. Geschichte (talk) 06:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Norrköpings IF Bosna

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 5th tier. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BK Saturnus

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 5th tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mjölby Turabdin FC

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Expanding on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Srbija FF, I don't see this low-level Swedish football club meeting GNG. Modest history peaking on the 6th tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ibrahim Babangida (footballer)

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I've been unable to find if this Nigerian footballer who recently died in a car crash passes WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He won the 1993 FIFA U-17 World Championship. Don't delete the article. 186.176.235.73 (talk) 11:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That has no relevance to SPORTCRIT or GNG Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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An ATD is to merge/redirect to Tijani Babangida where he is currently mentioned, not least since Tijani was in the same car crash. Another alternative to deletion would of course be to find sigcov in the Netherlands. Geschichte (talk) 14:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He play at the Eredivisie and won the Nigerian Premier League in 1992. 201.206.42.68 (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think there's enough coverage of his death, including pieces like this, which show notability. He had 50+ games in the Dutch professional leagues, the issue is searching is skewed to just reports of his death. Giant Snowman 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gong Mun-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Kuk-chol (footballer, born 1999)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 07:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kang Jong-chol

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Hyun-su

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is an unsourced stub. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jang Phyong-il

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nomination, also fails WP:NSPORT. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Cyrelle Saut

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Footballer with no evidence of notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Miitamariki

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - I created the article. Im fine with a redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Islands_national_football_team#Player_records. Simione001 (talk) 01:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per Simione001. JTtheOG (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 05:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zander Murray

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Fails GNG. Sources in the article are routine transfer coverage/match reports. The Herald has no sigcov. Also there is WP:BLP1E because he wasn't getting any sigcov before coming out either. Dougal18 (talk) 12:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Homosexuality in association football#Scotland where he is mentioned and which ultimately is his sole claim to fame. Giant Snowman 18:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - on further reflection, sources from Herald and The Times are probably sufficient. Giant Snowman 15:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep @GiantSnowman:, He is still considered to be a signifciant trailblazer, even written as a piossiblity for 2022 Scot of the Year (see [38] - "no-one, however, has made a more significant impact on our game than Zander Murray") and 2024 Scottish Influencer of the Year and subject of BBC docuumnatary and has received seondary coverage over a few years from many reputed sources over the years - [39], [40], [41], [42], [43]. Football-wise, he was a veryu sigifnciant player for a Scottisjh lower legaue team - Gala Fairydean Rovers (see [44], [45], and [46]), where he "has scored 100+ goals and holds the club record for number of goals scored in one season". Put together, I think all of the above warrants him an article. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The "awards" (which he didn't win) are meaningless nonsense. He presented that BBC documentary meaning it isn't independent of him. I note your latest thing is to toss around "has secondary coverage" when it is significant coverage that is required. NFOOTBALL (which he wouldn't have passed anyway) has been abolished. Dougal18 (talk) 10:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Meaningless nonsense" is pretty dismissive and coverage that is significant in my and GiantSnowman's opinion has been found above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are making two non notable awards sound like an Oscar or Nobel Prize. --Dougal18 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I know he's an amateur footballer but an argument can be made that there is consistent in-depth coverage. I know in an ideal world sexual orientation shouldn't mean anything but the fact is that open male homosexuality is rare in football (for the same reason, British Asian footballers may receive far more in-depth coverage than their talent would deserve if they were white). He came out in September 2022 and a documentary was made in March 2023, and we have in-depth coverage of him in December 2023 on the BBC [47] Herald [48] STV [49]. Far from a WP:BLP1E where all the coverage is about coming out in 2022 and then the news dries up. Similarly, I had written about Jesús Tomillero, a referee in amateur football who probably wouldn't have a page, but due to the rarity of his being gay, he had several years of in-depth coverage. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's only getting this coverage based on WP:BLP1E. Dougal18 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Perhaps it's marginal but I think anyone interested in Homosexuality in association football#Scotland might well wonder what kind of playing career Murray had and, per the above, there is consistent coverage. Ben Mac Dui 14:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1911 UIAFA European Football Tournament squads

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List of squads involved in 1911 UIAFA European Football Tournament.

Unneeded CFORK, this could easily and more appropriately be included in the main article (much of it already is).

Fails NLIST, there is no indication this has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources

This does not need a stand alone list. // Timothy :: talk 16:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Nanetti

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This footballer, who seems to have never played in the top 3 tiers in Italy or top 4 tiers in England, was deemed non-notable in an AfD discussion in 2020. I can't find signicant coverage in reliable sources published since then that would suggest he is now notable – per WP:GNG, as WP:NFOOTBALL is obsolete. The article content is not the same as the version deleted in 2020, so WP:CSD#G4 does not apply. ^Complex/_Rational 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55], [56], [57], [58] among many more English and Italian sources. Clearly siginifciant figure in English lower league football with extnsive career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of these sources, The Sun and Daily Mail are not considered reliable (deprecated, as documented at WP:RS/PS), and several others are blogs/tabloids which have similar shortcomings. Is there anything in more reputed sources such as BBC, Sky News, The Guardian, etc.? ^Complex/_Rational 20:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. seems okay, but not sure it's WP:SIGCOV, 2. per WP:THESUN, The Sun is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability, 3. very short, mostly quotes 4. short, mostly quotes, 5. a Wordpress blog – is the author a "subject-matter expert"?, 6. very short, mostly quotes, 7. short, mostly quotes, 8. one sentence mentions him, 9. per WP:DAILYMAIL, The Daily Mail is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability. So, of the nine sources you listed, one might be SIGCOV. Based on these sources alone, I don't see that Nannetti's a clearly significiant figure in English lower league football. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per @Das osmnezz. Svartner (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article fail WP:SIRS, and the sources listed above none are independent significal coverage addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Armătura Zalău

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Despite a large addition, it remains mainly unsourced. Existing sources do not provide WP:SIGCOV, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - the club played in Liga II AdrianCioran 13:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NTEAM cares not about what ivision th team played in. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am on the fence on this article too. I would like to see more sources, is there no Romania wiki page for this club? Govvy (talk) 17:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The situation is a bit sad. The club is 100% notable, but User:AdrianCioran can't help but engage in move-warring, and doesn't understand basic Wikipedia policies or the deletion process. Look at the article history: User:Florin1977 tried to keep it in draft space with the edit summary "do not publish yet". AdrianCioran edited disruptively. Geschichte (talk) 20:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. I'd accept draftify as WP:ATD and that would be community consensus that would enable limited, but escalating, blocks on Adrian. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support such action. Weak understanding of how Wikipedia works and hardly any communication - I'm noting a message written in Romanian on his talk page half a year ago, which translates to: "Don't create pages if you don't know how, because the moderators will delete them". Geschichte (talk) 09:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Same situation than Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CS Auxerre Lugoj. Svartner (talk) 00:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - as above, not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable even though their successful period was pre-internet, can even find recent articles such as [59]. SportingFlyer T·C 05:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: A pretty significant football club with some sourcing and notability, but I'd like to see something better than that with more reliable sourcing. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 13:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horia Iancu

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Sportsperson did sportsthing. No indication of notability. Single reference is an interview, so fails WP:SIRS, and therefore fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 10:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Possible there are sources, considering he has played over 100 games for a fair sized club. If there are sources ping me. Abstain vote for now. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was going to say that someone with over 100 appearances for Steau Bucharest in recent times would have a lot of sources in Romanian at least, but then I realised this is for the "official" Steau Bucharest, or however you should describe the one that isn't in the top flight (not FCSB). So he has 43 second-division appearances since 2015 [60]. A pretty low contribution to the game of football. If this lower Steau Bucharest has retained the fan base (just as the official C.F. Os Belenenses did when they went down), then I estimate there would be decent coverage in Romanian sources. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question @Unknown Temptation: So there are two different clubs now? I am a little confused? Is the one Horia Iancu plays for operating as a B team? I am still confused here. Govvy (talk) 12:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not much demonstrating notability for this player. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Slusher

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Belize national football team#Coaching history where his name is mentioned. Govvy (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Simpson

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 22:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Méndez

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. All I found was this. JTtheOG (talk) 05:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Camilo Sánchez

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 05:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Al-Arabi SC (Kuwait) players

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This is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people which does not meet the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 17:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. A category is sufficient to group footballers who played for the club. Svartner (talk) 23:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sara Lucafò

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This Italian women's footballer has not yet received enough coverage to meet WP:GNG -- this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. All I found on the subject were a pair of interviews (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC) I support draftification as an ATD. JTtheOG (talk) 00:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – The athlete has a significant amount of appearances for a major Italian club, it is possible that she will establish WP:GNG in the medium term. Svartner (talk) 23:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify to allow the creator to continue working on this until she becomes notable Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Álvarez (footballer)

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has only two datbase entry / stats sources. Main statement is that he was on the team for a South American championship but didn't play. North8000 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: From the DICCIONARIO BIOGRAFICO DEL FUTBOL BOLIVIANO (1930-2000):

"Nombre completo: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Apodo: La “Araña negra”. Nacimiento: Cochabamba, 6 de julio de 1933. Posición: Guardameta, No 1. Padres: ..... Esposa: ..... Hijos: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Estudios: Primaria Escuela Carrillo, Secundaria Colegio Carrillo de Cochabamba. Otros Estudios: INSEF. Profesor de Educación Física. Cursos de Dirección Técnica. Clubes: En el Club 31 de Octubre (1963), de La Paz. Participación en la selección: Es Campeón Sudamericano de 1963. Jugó por la selección boliviana dos partidos oficiales (1963-1965) y fue batido en tres oportunidades. Es Campeón Sudamericano Invicto 1963. No tuvo participación oficial en dicho campeonato figurando en la banca. Dirección Técnica: Fue Preparador Físico en The 16 Strongest (1990). Otros Datos: Practicó el Atletismo, el Básquetbol, el Voleibol y el Fútbol. Distinciones: El gobierno mediante la repartición respectiva condecoró con la Medalla al Mérito Deportivo en el Grado de Caballero del Deporte, al cumplirse los 40 años de la conquista del XXI Campeonato Sudamericano. Además de ser acreedor a la pensión vitalicia de 4 sueldos mínimos mensuales."

There is also a bit of coverage here, which although not published in a reliable source, is definitely more evidence of notability. JTtheOG (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What's wrong with the ~170 word encyclopedia entry listed above? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Based on Google Translate, it covers the names of his children and the schools he went to in brief list form, and then briefly covers his playing career and then his pension... it's not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It gives a decent enough bit of coverage for SIGCOV I think:

Full name: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Nickname: The “Black Spider”. Birth: Cochabamba, July 6, 1933. Position: Goalkeeper, No 1. Parents: ..... Wife: ..... Children: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Studies: Primary School Carrillo, Secondary School Carrillo de Cochabamba. Other Studies: INSEF. Physical Education Teacher. Technical Management Courses. Clubs: At the 31 de Octubre Club (1963), in La Paz. Participation in the national team: He is the 1963 South American Champion. He played for the Bolivian team in two official matches (1963-1965) and was beaten three times. He is the 1963 Undefeated South American Champion. He had no official participation in said championship, appearing on the bench. Technical Direction: He was a Physical Trainer on The 16 Strongest (1990). Other Information: He played Athletics, Basketball, Volleyball and Soccer. Distinctions: The government, through the respective distribution, awarded the Medal of Sports Merit in the Degree of Knight of Sports, on the 40th anniversary of the conquest of the XXI South American Championship. In addition to being a creditor of the lifetime pension of 4 minimum monthly salaries

- Probably could use more sources though... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of AD Bairro players

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This is a indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable players. Let'srun (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. A category is sufficient to group footballers who played for the club. Svartner (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable list of mostly non-notable footballers. As Svartner said, a category is sufficient. JTtheOG (talk) 00:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, an embarrassment to Wikipedia, impossible to maintain, huge WP:V problems, collection of players that are not notable as individuals, a category does the job better. Geschichte (talk) 08:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I wouldn't say the list is indiscriminate, it's more a case of failing notability. Govvy (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esteghlal B F.C.

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Empty article without any sources or material Shahin (talk) 11:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Esteghlal F.C., I wouldn't really call the article empty! However redirect as a possible search term. Govvy (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 23:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sirimongkol Rattanapoom

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Nothing has been written that suggests notability, and any argument like there being sources that are full-length can shake the elephant in the room, the Catch-22 if you will: if this player is so notable, why isn't he playing? He's played zero minutes this season in Belgium's amateur third division. He has no international appearances, and in all due respect it's easier to be chosen for Thailand than for Brazil or Spain. He's 22 this month, so if he's some special player who passes WP:GNG without any professional appearances, when are they going to come? I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press, but a 22-year-old at an amateur Belgian club is clearly a different kettle of fish. While I disagree with the old WP:NFOOTY regulation that a player was notable as soon as they made one professional appearance, it's a good measure at least. Also bear in mind that [61] this source comes from King Power, the Thai company that owns his Belgian club, so it is not independent anyway. Additionally, the creator made this article as an incomprehensible quote farm from Google Translate, suggesting an unfamiliarity with Thai sources. [62] Unknown Temptation (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [63], [64], [65], [66], [67], among manu more Thai sources. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Google Translate: source 1 is brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium; source 2 is not independent as per the nom; source 3 is paywalled; source 4 is routine transfer coverage; and source 5 is brief coverage about him playing for Thailand under-23. Where is the significant coverage? Giant Snowman 20:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know how you interpreted the first source to be "brief coverage about 4 Thai players playing in Belgium", it is about him and most of the text is solely about his background alone. The third source is also not paywalled. The fourth source is sedifnityl not "routine transfer coverage" since he joined the team much earlier and it goes into his background as well. Clearly sigifficant young player in Thailand with ongoing career who has played for the Thaialnd olympic team and is one of few players abroad. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An Olympic team is an under-23 team. Footballers at the Olympics get some coverage, but per Football at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament, the only Thai going there at all is a VAR. As I said before, it's not hard to play senior football for Thailand, so if this guy is so great, why isn't he? Why are we treating someone as an exceptional promise for the future if he can't play for Thailand or for a third-division Belgian club when he's 22? Is that really an "ongoing career"? Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, the sources are good. Your other argument doesnt make sense because there are lots of notable footballers with good sources with Wikipedia pages who have not played for Thailand and saying its "not hard to play for Thailand" is completely dismissive. On the contrary, he is considered skilled enough to play abroad, which few Thai players do. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I know people like to make articles about teenagers at big clubs, based on hype press – that may be the case, but I'm not sure there's any policy-based guidance that defines "hype press" or categorises them as unreliable for the GNG's purposes. That said, the Ballthai article appears to be the only in-depth piece of independent coverage. The others are brief updates and short interviews. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the Ballthai one, the other sources contain secondary coverage like "showed impressive form... is a versatile player in Midfield position Able to play both offense and defense. His highlight is his sharp reading of the game. And the interception is quite accurate. He is the third generation product of the Fox Hunt program" etc. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 11:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, they're brief. Maybe they could be considered significant taken together, but that's up to interpretation; I'm not yet convinced either way. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of FIFA World Cup songs and anthems

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Falls under WP:TRIVIA and possibly WP:FAN. Also, fails WP:V. kpgamingz (rant me) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - WP:LISTN states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". There is RS coverage discussing "FIFA world cups song" as a group.^[1]^[2] However, the "other songs and anthems" and "broadcaster theme music" sections are of dubious notability/verifiability and stretch the list criteria a bit; they should be removed. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Flores, Griselda (2022-10-24). "Here Are the World Cup Songs & Anthems Through the Years". Billboard. Retrieved 2024-05-05.
^ Singh •, Sanjesh (2022-10-12). "What Are the Best FIFA World Cup Anthems of All Time?". NBC New York. Retrieved 2024-05-05.

Keep: Seconding Jonathan Deamer's assessment, and also noting multiple reliable sources in the list covering individual songs, including Billboard, NPR, and La Nación. On the other hand, many sources (especially the USERG 45cat and Discogs) need removing/replacing. Definitely needs work, but that's no reason to delete. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 21:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The official songs are part of the FIFA event. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as above, clearly notable topic. Giant Snowman 09:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, some of these songs are very notable, it's a good list article. Govvy (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per above. dxneo (talk) 06:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mexico–United States 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bid

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Nominating based on User:AFC Vixen's edit summary. The bid has been withdrawn, thus failing WP:GNG any relevant information can be moved to 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids LouisOrr27 (talk) 14:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Redirect to 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids is also valid. Svartner (talk) 18:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – The same (withdrawn bid) appears to happen with South Africa 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bid. Svartner (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge both Mexico–United States 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bid and South Africa 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bid into 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids — ILoveSport2006 reverted my first attempt at merging these articles because they felt the Mexico–United States article was "very good and adds a lot of info that the paragraph on the bid page doesn't say",^[1] and that "[the South Africa] bid could've won had they not withdrawn and deserves to stay as an article."^[2] The first argument ignores how said info can fit comfortably in the bid article, and the second is an unsubstantiated claim. — AFC Vixen 🦊 19:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – There are many withdrawn bid articles on Wikipedia, even for previous Women's World Cups. To say this bid article isn't notable is ridiculous because it was an official bid, had its own bid book and gained a lot of media attention from many publications in and outside of the US and Mexico. The Mexico–United States section on the 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids page is bare and has a map that is terrible and lacks any detail, which makes it virtually useless since it doesn't even display what city and stadium it is talking about, it's just arrows. When you compare the map to the one on the Mexico–United States bid page, there's no comparison. Just type in Mexico–United States Women's World Cup bid on Google and you will find a plethora of articles talking about it. It couldn't be more notable if you tried. That tiny paragraph and map does not give a bid that could have won justice.

AFC Vixen you have just criticised my opinion with an opinion. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine, but the way you have written it is like you're saying my opinion isn't even valid.

What I hate on Wikipedia is when people essentially delete history and interesting facts. This is deleting history and facts. Do not be trigger happy when deleting articles that people have put effort in. Some article can be terrible but this article is pretty good. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 20:09, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"There are many withdrawn bid articles on Wikipedia" is a textbook WP:WHATABOUT argument, and there are indeed city and stadium names on the interactive map; perhaps we could add a "Click the square to enlarge" or similar phrasing to the caption to make that clearer to readers. Again, there just isn't enough content here to justify a WP:SPINOUT from 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids, and it can easily fit there instead. I don't appreciate these unsubstantiated accusations of "deleting history and facts" either. — AFC Vixen 🦊 20:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While the map is slightly better than I thought, It's still way worst than the one on the Mexico–United States Women's World Cup bid page. Also you took one part of my detailed reply which makes many valid points and think you have proven a point by only talking about one tiny aspect of my long reply. You didn't talk about my Google argument, the bid book argument or even the media attention argument. You talked about the only thing that you thought you could make an argument on. You are trying to invalidate my opinion by saying buzz words like unsubstantiated and put me down which I don't respect. This is a common practice on Wikipedia. Make arguments with absolutely no facts and put up links and write it like you are better than the other person.

Let's take the Budapest bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics for example, a withdrawn bid that is very notable.

You didn't say: "The reason why the withdrawn Budapest bid is notable and deserves to be an article but the Mexico–United States bid doesn't is because..." You are just throwing a WP:WHATABOUT argument on me and calling it a day. But that's not an argument. In my opinion, it's really unhelpful.

I don't appreciate these unsubstantiated accusations of deleting history and facts either Personally, I think they are substantiated to an extent because you did delete info from the 2027 FIFA Women's World Cup bids page under the guise of Cleaning the article up and massively cut down on fluff, but you can do both. You seemingly can't take my opinion without putting me down. I can take your opinion, but what I can't take is people fobbing me off with Wiki links with no proper facts or points behind their argument. You have no moral high ground if you put me down. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 22:00, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that you feel very passionately about this, but can you stop pretending like I made personal attacks on you? I merely refuted your arguments with my own, which yes, they are opinions. That is what a discussion is. — AFC Vixen 🦊 22:47, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do appreciate that you realise that I'm very passionate about this, because it's 100% true, but I never said you made a personal attack, because you haven't. All I'm saying is that I hate when I make valid arguments and people throw a WP:WHATABOUT on me because that isn't an argument and it's a cheap throwaway comment that is disguised as an argument. Also, I felt like you were putting me down. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 23:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not putting you down, I just genuinely think arguing this article should exist because others like it exist doesn't speak to what makes the page itself merit its existence in its own right, and you're probably better off just leaving those kinds of arguments out next time. — AFC Vixen 🦊 00:06, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I did give you evidence. That's my point. My argument wasn't just "well other articles exist like it", I gave numerous points about how the article deserves to stay on its on own merit and all you did was throw a WP:WHATABOUT on me. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 10:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Mexico–United States 2031 FIFA Women's World Cup bid. Given that the same bid is just being moved to a later edition, it makes more sense to just keep the same article and modify it as needed. Note that the 2027 bid was withdrawn very very late in the process, so there would have been enough coverage for it to have a separate article at some point. Sounder Bruce 22:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This idea is something that I have thought about as well. This could work too. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 22:34, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move per SounderBruce. Everything still seems relevant and notable, just pushed back. -2pou (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above per Svartner. Giant Snowman 18:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Commment Just looking at references in the article, I don't see the sources that justify keeping a separate article. WP:BEFORE shows a lot of articles relaying (generally with a limited amount of re-writing) a press release by the US Soccer Federation on April 29th 2024 announcing that they have withdrawn the bid for 2027 and will bid together for 2031. Similarly, there are a good number of articles relaying the announcement of the bid by US Soccer on Dec 8th 2023 and April 19th 2024. Excluding these however does not reveal many sources. One I did find is by the Washington Post : Why FIFA should look past U.S.-Mexico bid to host 2026 women's World Cup, but I would be interested in what WP:THREE sources clearly establish notability.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2017/11/7/16616540/us-soccer-president-candidates-saying-women-uswnt		? Blog published by SBNation, unknown if Stephanie Yang is a reliable matter expert	Passing mention that Carlos Cordeiro believes the US should host the 2027 world cup	✘ No
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/13/2026-world-cup-usa-mexico-canada/			Passing mention that the US Soccer federation is planning to bid for the 2027 world cup	✘ No
https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/us-soccer-now-considers-bidding-for-2031-womens-world-cup/	~ Paywalled article - appears independent, but unclear as the content is not available	? Seems to have never been addressed in the reliable sources noticeboard	? Paywalled article - the primary content based on title & lead is a tentative bid for the 2031 world cup	? Unknown
https://justwomenssports.com/ussf-bid-host-2027-2031-womens-world-cup/		? Not in the reliable sources noticeboards	Very article basically relaying multiple times a short quote from USSF president Cindy parlow Cone	✘ No
https://www.infobae.com/america/deportes/2022/06/21/mexico-buscara-ser-sede-de-la-copa-mundial-de-la-fifa-femenil/			~ Really stretching to include it as significant, at best there are two paragraphs (137 words total) that are related to a potential 2027 bid	~ Partial
https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2023/04/us-soccer-and-mexican-football-federation-will-launch-joint-bid-to-cohost-2027-fifa-womens-world-cup	US Soccer Federation website			✘ No
https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2023/12/us-soccer-mexican-football-federation-submit-bid-right-to-host-2027-fifa-womens-world-cup	US Soccer Federation website			✘ No
https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/390c06917bd0f7a2/original/New-Heights-WWC27-Bid-Book-USA-Mexico.pdf	Publication by the US & Mexico Soccer Federations, hosted by FIFA			✘ No
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Albert Tjåland

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Articles for deletion/Albert Tjåland (2nd nomination)

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bader Ahmed Saleh

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete We used to keep footballers who had played 2 or more professional games, so I am guessing this article got in with the old rules, but now it must be removed as there is no coverage about this person.Hkkingg (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to 1984 AFC Asian Cup squads#United Arab Emirates as possible search term. Giant Snowman 20:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above seems like a fine alternative to deletion, there isn't much written about this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 19:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Premier League overseas broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Upon a search, I just get WP:PRIMARY sources from NBC, CBC, and tweets announcing who does which games. It's trivia and can be placed into the main broadcasting article. Conyo14 (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Relevant information and sources have been added to the article that will help give it more notability. [68], [69], [70], [71]--Claudio Fernag (talk) 07:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LISTCRUFT still applies, you think an article on some junk list makes a list notable, think again. SpacedFarmer (talk) 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources found by Claudio Fernag. Esolo5002 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep GNG is well passed here and the sourcing for this list is certainly not in question, while the article is monitored closely to revert any errors or vandalism near immediately. We disqualify outright press releases, but certainly not reliable news sources, and the nominator is advised that they are perfectly acceptable to source a broadcast partner. Nate • (chatter) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There are as of now, at least 84 different sources in the article to back up its notability efforts or quota. BornonJune8 (talk) 9:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, but all but 6 are for articles, the rest are excuses to claim WP:RS. This argument is so 2007. Try harder next time. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete yes there are 84 sources, but not many are actually WP:SIGCOV of Premier League broadcasters, they're just saying "in country X, company Y have a contract for Z years and W money". I don't see any good quality sources e.g. linking overseas broadcasters together in one source (apart from [72], which is one source), which is a suggestion at WP:LISTN for when a list might be notable. This just read like a TV directory. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is the one on broadcasting rights that has the best and most sources, I see no reason to delete it, it is completely encyclopedic.

PIKACHUNESS (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like WP:ILIKEIT. An analysis of the sources would help. Conyo14 (talk) 19:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is very valuable resource about the topic. Regpath (talk) 10:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another WP:ILIKEIT, please provide a policy-based rationale for keeping. Conyo14 (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As usual, WP:ITSUSEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is no longer just an article about a list of broadcasters as it was in the beginning, now a context has been added that gives it notability and verifiable and reliable sources have been added, so the information must be maintained, but maybe in this case what should be done is move this to List of Premier League broadcasters, as it was previously, so that everything is grouped in a single article, both local and international rights.--Edu1388 (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silesia national football team

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Silesia is not a country, so it cannot be this. Rename it--but to what? There's no Frisian national football team or Walloon national football team either. Plus, the article is little more than a directory and a list of matches. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, should certainly be trimmed / improved / sourced, whole sections could go, but it seems a bit unfair to single out this team, as it is only one of a long list here, and while I realise it's not a real guide to notability, the fact that it has 9 language versions at least show there's some passing interest beyond its homeland and has some historical significance. It's pretty niche stuff, but a lot of others in that list are too and it may be more logical to start from the most obscure and work up, don't want to insult anyone's region but Seborga national football team looks an example of one with far less merit for inclusion than Silesia.

The name is a topic that's come up previously, particularly relating to the more prominent non-nations like Catalonia. Personally I would have no problem with it being something like 'representative football team' for all of these, but it's been argued that there are quite a few non-sovereign FIFA teams so the word 'national' is really just used to differentiate them from clubs and does not necessarily infer a certain status on the territory in question.

Only other thing is, do Wallonia and Frisia have any sort of combined team that plays matches? That's not meant to be a 'well do they???' question, I'm genuinely not sure, but I couldn't see one on French or Dutch wiki where one might expect to find something snuck away. If they have never had such a team, it's not really fair to compare their non-presence to articles for teams that have demonstrably played matches, even if really long ago and/or at a very low level. Crowsus (talk) 22:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – There are football teams that cover non-sovereign territories, such as the most notable cases of Catalonia and the Basque Country, as well as some CONIFA members such as Occitania and County of Nice. If there are sources that cover the team, there are no problems, as Silesia is competing in the UEFA Regions' Cup. Svartner (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no coverage, team doesn't appear to play regularly (5/6 matches in 90 years???), no evidence of notability. If it is kept, it should be renamed to Silesia official football team or Silesia representative football team, as it is NOT a national team like Poland national football team etc. Giant Snowman 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Why is a regional team titled as national? Should be titled Silesia regional football team. Next whats with the Notable players section? That should be removed. Seems to have been abused? No history section? Must be something surely for the regional team. Certainly needs sorting out. Govvy (talk) 12:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. For renaming, WP:RM should be used, not AfD. Glancing at pl wiki, just removing 'national' should work. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep could be improved, but the topic is notable - can easily tell by looking at German and Polish language articles, though the Polish one is under sourced by English standards. SportingFlyer T·C 06:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Czech First League broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, not a single source. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Czech First League as WP:ATD. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2020 (UTC) 09:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Czech First League#Media coverage. FromCzech (talk) 05:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Czech First League#Media coverage per WP:ATD as a plausible-ish search term. Ironically, that sub-section has more detail than the stand-alone article on the subject. It could do with some sourcing, though. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator, I agree with redirect as WP:ATD. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Czech First League#Media coverage. Unsourced list contains two rwos, Unneeded CFORK. Fails NLIST, no sources showing this has been discussed as a group by reliable sources. Nothing sourced, nothing to merge. // Timothy :: talk 18:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of La Liga broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, Not a tv guide.. Govvy (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Relevant information and sources have been added that give it notability.[73], [74], [75]--Claudio Fernag (talk) 01:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Worthy in an article itself but we don't need a broadcasting list so you can watch in whoever country. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep based on sourcing found by Claudio Fernag. Esolo5002 (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:LISTCRUFT also applies. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a reminder, that page is an essay, not a policy or guideline. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Relevant and comprehensive information with references and sources.Puente aereo (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Relevant and necessary article, its sources are the best PIKACHUNESS (talk) 18:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITSUSEFUL applies. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Conyo14 (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails NLIST. Refs in article do not discuss the subject - the broadcasters - as a group by independent sources, they are routine sports news; the list serves no CLN purpose. // Timothy :: talk 18:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:The article is no longer just a list of broadcasters as it was in the beginning, a context has been added that gives it notability, and verifiable and reliable sources were also included. It is also one of the most important soccer leagues in the world, not the San Marino league. It has the same or more merit of existing than articles like List of NBA broadcasters, MLB broadcasters or NFL broadcasters. It has potential to continue improving, perhaps some things can be corrected but it should not be eliminated.--Edu1388 (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rumen Shankulov

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This article doesn't meet the notability guidelines set down in WP:SPORTCRIT Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, submitted by accident this before I was finished writing the reasons. There are no sources outside of trivial stat listings, which are not considered a contribution to notability. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Going by the player's career, I could see some notability. They had a good season in the Bulgarian first tier with Cherno More Varna, two good seasons abroad with Israeli second-tier club Hapoel Rishon LeZion and three in Cyprus with second-tier side Omonia Aradippou. A web search, however, did find anything close to WP:SIGCOV. Perhaps we'd need to search using a different spelling of their name, for example in his native Cyrillic or in Hebrew (for his time in Israel)? Robby.is.on (talk) 16:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC) ; edited 21:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete if no significant coverage can be found. With no prejudice to recreation if someone is eventually able to find sources. (t · c) buidhe 03:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Chol-jin

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Article fails WP:GNG. Can only find passing mentions in match reports. Redirect to 2010 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He has 36 caps for a senior national team and played in a World Cup. Anwegmann (talk) 00:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both irrelevant facts. There are no sources which prove notability in sport and as such the article should be redirect to 2010 World Cup squad or deleted. Simione001 (talk) 00:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Simione001: I just like to point out that he is listed at both 2011 AFC Asian Cup squads and 2010 FIFA World Cup squads, so redirecting to one or the other would effect the search feature if anyone looks the name up. If deleted with no redirect, people will be able to find his name in both the articles and not be directed to just one. Govvy (talk) 22:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Odd one because WP:NFOOTBALL has been removed from WP:NSPORT but according to the discussion at WP:NFOOTBALLNEW, Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA was once the guideline for notability which this article meets. Orange sticker (talk) 11:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Orange sticker: - You are basing your keep vote on a failed proposal. WP:NFOOTBALLNEW was rejected. You mustn't make up your own keep/delete criteria. WP:GNG is very clear. Simione001 (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment not quite, the proposal was to change what was referred to as the current guideline (part I quoted) however all guidelines relating to football seem to have been scrapped for reasons I don't know. Might be a good idea to draftify this and similar stubs until the guidelines are clearer? Orange sticker (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GNG is the only criteria that applies. Its very clear. Simione001 (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simione001: You've nominated over 100 articles in the past few months and they seem to near-exclusively target those from just North Korea - a much underrepresented country whose sources are very difficult to find / use / etc. This systematic destruction of a nation's football history is rather annoying. Why? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because they are terrible quality articles with next to zero information about the individual. If you actually looked into it, there a quite a few North Korean players which pass WP:GNG so to say this is some kind of systematic destruction of North Korean football is laughable. Simione001 (talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2011 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea for his last-known appearance if anyone can't find any significant coverage. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. This is another reason why the changes in notability rules were a bad idea. Getting rid of sport-specific guidelines did a lot of damage. If English Wikipedia wants adequate coverage of football in North Korea and other small countries, the sport-specific guidelines need to be restored. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With the caveat that I only discovered the changes looking into this AfD I have to agree. Seems it will lead to a coverage bias towards countries with more widely understood languages in English speaking countries. I can see plenty of Andorran footballer BLPs, for instance. Orange sticker (talk) 20:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sylvan Anderton

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sportsperson stub. fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 09:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – The player appears to have a substantial number of appearances for Reading and Chelsea. I think it's a matter of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly notable. Over 200 appearances in England's professional football league (verified by the Neil Brown source in the article sas well as sources like this), while a quick Google search brings up things like this and this which clearly indicate historical (read: offline) coverage. A lazy nomination. Giant Snowman 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are those football cards? ltb d l (talk) 12:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...yes? Giant Snowman 07:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
football cards aren't reliable sources ltb d l (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has that ever been decided? I'd think if it were by a reputable company it would be reliable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's crazy ltb d l (talk) 06:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Football cards being reliable sources made me literally laugh out loud. AusLondonder (talk) 07:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why wouldn't a reputable card company be reliable? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
amazing. 10/10. no notes. ltb d l (talk) 06:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At no point have I claimed that football cards are reliable. I was merely suggesting that appearing on football cards - and, if you had bothered to Google him, all the other historical coverage at photo archives etc. - suggests there is coverage out there, which research by others below has supported. Giant Snowman 18:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep With the amount of games he played and the clubs he played for seems good enough, combined with GS sources above and probably much more WP:OFFLINESOURCES, this needs improvement for sure. Govvy (talk) 18:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More than 200 professional appearances for teams with deep, deep histories and legacies. This is very obvious. Clearly notable. Anwegmann (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. An actual check of the newspapers.com archive finds nothing but mentions in match reports/transfer stories. He went on to play cricket for Bryant Rose Cricket Club and won the raffle four years in a row there but that is trivial stuff. NFOOTBALL has been depreciated since 2022 so any Keeps based on number of games played must be ignored by the closer. He isn't notable either for playing for some "notable" clubs per NOTINHERITED. Dougal18 (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I frequently see editors citing Wikipedia:But there must be sources! in AfDs for footballers with dozens of international caps. I'd like to see the same standard applied to footballers with "over 200 appearances in England's professional football league". How do football cards indicate offline coverage, @GiantSnowman:? As Dougal18 points out so far it has not been demonstrated that SIGCOV exists. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Mostly per Dougal18's reasoning. Footballers are not inherently notable - they need to meet WP:GNG. This is clear community consensus. Simply asserting that an individual played for notable teams is not a suitable AfD argument. If nothing can be found in newspaper archives, then he's not notable. Another point is this is little more than an infobox and a pseudo-biography. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be a decent amount of newspaper coverage, although it is mostly brief-ish: see [76] [77] [78] [79] [80] [81] [82]. An argument could be made for WP:NBASIC, considering he seemed to have significant amount of appearances for prominent clubs. Not sure if that changes anyone's views: @Ltbdl, AusLondonder, Dougal18, and Robby.is.on:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good research! Giant Snowman 07:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per Dougal and AusLondoner. Football cards do not contribute to notability at all, and given passing mentions in match reports don't count towards even BASIC for modern players they shouldn't count for old players either. We don't have a single piece of the required IRS SIGCOV, so we have no valid justification for retaining this article. JoelleJay (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He also has a biographical entry in Chelsea The Complete Record: author: Rick Glanvill isbn: 9781909245303 also mentioned in The Little Book of Reading FC - 1920-2008 author: Alan Sedunary isbn: 9781780913711. There maybe more books with biographical information. Govvy (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can you tell us what exactly is in those books? Dougal18 (talk) 14:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glanvill is Chelsea's official historian, he is not an independent source. JoelleJay (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @JoelleJay: That's not correct, nor is it proper to discredit him. Will you do the same for Historians who went to Oxford and Cambridge and write about those subjects? He is a published author and a reputable one at that. Please don't use this argument ever again on any credited club historian. Govvy (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's literally hired by the club to write about club history. Of course he isn't independent. And if a historian is employed by Oxford to write about Oxford history then they aren't independent either. JoelleJay (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: Again you really have no idea, the Chelsea book is independent to the club, published by De Coubertin Books deCoubertin Books is a leading independent publisher, which publishes outstanding non-fiction titles predicated on high editorial and production values. We work with some of the biggest names in sport and sportswriting and our books have been nominated for numerous awards. Being hired by a club doesn't make the book published by the club. Also the link provided says he is the club historian, because he is the top of his field in the history for the club, at no time does that post on the Chelsea page say he is hired directly for them. The Reading book is published by Breedon Books Publishing Co Ltd and not Reading Football Club. These are both independent publishers to the clubs. I really don't understand why you feel these are primary sources when they are not remotely so. Govvy (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being an employee of the club (He has worked for all Chelsea FC's publications and media since 1993 and is the club's official historian.) means the person has a COI with the club, and this applies to material the person publishes through independent publishers (and obviously anything authored by the club would go through an external publisher; it's not like each club has its own book publishing house; the "Official Biography" of Chelsea that he penned ... for the club is through Headline Publishing Group). We'd consider a book authored by a relative of the subject to be non-independent regardless of where it's published; the same applies here. And what part of "the club's official historian", as recorded on the club's website, makes you think he's not working directly for them.....
I didn't say anything about primary sources. I said they are non-independent. JoelleJay (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is like arguing that an 'official biographer' of a celebrity should be discredited...nonsense! Giant Snowman 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An official biographer of a celebrity who was hired by that celebrity's talent agency should absolutely be discredited! JoelleJay (talk) 01:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Sports cards are reliable sources stat-wise.KatoKungLee (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – For the arguments presented so far in the discussion. I see no reason to discredit a club historian, or sports cards, considering that the athlete played in the 50s and 60s. The sources presented by @Govvy demonstrate credibility. Svartner (talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Credibility of who? Dougal18 (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The authors of mentioned books. Svartner (talk) 15:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So employees of the football club are somehow exempted from the NSPORT guidance saying Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players if they don't publish directly on the website?
The sports cards are completely trivial stats coverage. Why would they count? JoelleJay (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The delete arguments seem a bit WP:IDONTLIKEIT, in their attempts to discredit what seems like reasonable coverage. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete claiming a biographer who is an employee of the company is an independent source is a strange notion.

Industrial Insect (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not, because this type of historiographical survey is not carried out partially, but rather as a measure to preserve part of the institution's history. The likelihood of the book's author having tampered with these numbers is negligible, which in my opinion makes the source completely credible. Svartner (talk) 05:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of independent WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not pass WP:GNG. The only reliable source I can find is this, but all the rest are just unreliable outlets. Toadette^Edit! 06:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination, all I could find online about this proposed league is social media and blogs posts. This source, the only inline reference in the article at the moment, is a press release posted to Mega Marine Ship Machinery Parts in Gujarat, India, suggesting undisclosed paid editing. Wikishovel (talk) 07:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: This is about all there is in a semi-RS [83], otherwise all I find is PR items. Oaktree b (talk) 13:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:SPORTSKEEDA, that's "generally unreliable". Wikishovel (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has been reported by many reputable sources in the hockey community, including Steve Dangle and Allan Walsh. https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1788751235085996514 Ericringo (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Mmhmm. For my part, any claim that some fly-by-night startup league could conceivably contemplate a salary cap of $30 million, or to pay each player an average of $2.1 m, not only makes this a GNG violation but bumps up hard against WP:BULLSHIT. This is just not credible, and I want a lot better proof of notice by "reputable sources in the hockey community" than a broken Twitter link. Ravenswing 00:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the subject does not meet the notability criteria; the amount of coverage isn't "significant". There's a single full-fledged report on the topic (the Dangle video, which has since been retracted); everything else is tweets by journalists. Furthermore, a claim as big as this warrants more reliable sources than a single report made by someone who is, respectfully, not a seasoned journalist. This plainly doesn't warrant an article. I don't think one can even recommend "draftify"; considering the paucity of sources, even the claim "not notable yet, but likely to become so in the near future" is generous. HeyArtemis (talk) 12:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per HeyArtemis - the Dangle video was the primary source of information, and he's since retracted it, suggesting doubt as to the legitimacy of the league. The Kip 15:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool Privateers

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Fails WP:GNG. Unlikely to become notable, if the team is defunct. Unsourced (though I know that's probably fixable). Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The team easily passes GNG due to substantial news coverage in Nova Scotia and the Maritimes. Here are a few of the more recent news on the team. [84][85][86][87][88] I question whether the nominator completed WP:BEFORE on this nomination. I'm baffled what is meant by "Unlikely to become notable, if the team is defunct". As per WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, the article might be poorly sourced in its current state, but can easily be improved. Flibirigit (talk) 12:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did indeed complete a before search. I found numerous news articles regarding the move of the team, all based on press releases. I found routine coverage, e.g. of matches. I found articles based on what a spokesperson for the team said, without WP:SECONDARY analysis. I found nothing that was WP:INDEPTH, WP:SECONDARY, WP:INDEPENDENT to satisfy GNG. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - per Flibirigit. --Hockeyben ^{(talk -} ^contribs) 07:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St Andrews Typhoons

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Lacking in-depth secondary source coverage to meet the general notability guideline. Seen at NPP, moved to draftspace to allow for improvement but reverted by creator. AusLondonder (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't realize I reverted an initial draftspace sending, I was just editing over time. What sort of sources should I add to make more credibility? There's only a few sources (university, BUIHA and the team's website) I found out to use. Should I improve in the drafter before releasing or try to expand on the existing page? Fastfads (talk) 18:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They would have to be "significant coverage" to the subject, from secondary sources from multiple reputable media outlets. If such coverage doesn't exist, or consists of simple scores/stats or namedrops, an article cannot be sustained. My vote is to Redirect to the University of St Andrews article if no such sources are proffered. Ravenswing 08:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added quite a few sources to the new page (and a few new sections with the source expansions!) - direct resources which tell plenty of stories from plenty of reputable outlets (at least in my opinion). Would appreciate your opinion at this point in article growth. Fastfads (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fastfads, firstly can I say this nomination is not a reflection on your work. Wikipedia does however have requirements articles must meet to demonstrate suitability for inclusion, most importantly the general notability guideline. Please take a look at the guideline for the kind of sources we require. Thanks, AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand the motives for high quality articles and I understand the initial deletion nomination with what I originally published but I've put a significant amount work into making this article better. And once again, thank you for linking me to the many rules of Wikipedia article writing. It's been an learning experience and I feel my standards have had a lot of growth with recent edits - I think my extremely long "Keep" defense below gives evidence for that growth (and why this article should stay up). Yet I continue to have my work under a microscope - and the sources I have found criticized on the slightest details of independence. No matter what I do, it just doesn't seem like it is enough! At the same time when doing research I see one source articles for other teams in the same league remain with not a single complaint (not to say their existence is wrong - sometimes important histories don't have a lot of sources!). Even if I am told it isn't personal and not a reflection on my work, this perceived difference in standards undeniably makes it feel personal. It is extremely discouraging to me that this topic (on a website that is the de facto answer to any question that needs explanation - even something as niche as a UK university ice hockey team) gets me put under what I believe to be an excessive amount of scrutiny compared to similar articles.

Once again, I don't blame you for simply enforcing the rules of Wikipedia as you saw broken in my initial article. And I still believe in the mission of a global encyclopedia - I'll keep improving this page (to be done as explained in my "Keep" defense below) and pages around Wikipedia. However, regardless of outcome of this AfD (but especially if this fails; I can't spend hours finding sources, formatting and writing just to keep an article I wrote from being immediately sent to the morgue - with a chance that it could be sent back regardless) it will likely be some time before I attempt to create another article. I guess my final question is: What can I do to avoid an AfD on a new article in the future? And is this article still worthy of an AfD in your mind (and if so, why?) Fastfads (talk) 00:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a bit of research into the guidelines (thank you @AusLondonder and @Ravenswing for the advice and links - I see that the editorial standards of Wikipedia are higher than what was told to me in school) and spent a lot of time updating the page to what I believe would be above the minimum amount of content to reach the guidelines of general notability - and have found quite a bit of new information about the team along the way.

Point #1: One of the main problems was a lack of secondary sources as I was mainly using the main page of the BUIHA and the team's page at phoons.net - I've now done a significant amount of research into the team and have found a ton of new information about the team entirely from secondary sources ranging from the local student newspaper to the national newspapers (BBC). There even is a video from 2014 which was someone's TV reel that gave a ton of information about the team, including interviews with the founders of the club. There's now a lot more secondary sources on there.

Point #2: Relative to other team pages in the BUIHA (and to applications of the guidelines in general), the Typhoons are a strong pick to have their own page. Take, for example, the London Dragons which was originally my template for the start of this article. The entire page is summary, roster, awards, retired numbers and what universities are involved. The sources are all the University page, the website and the BUIHA website. Yet, I agree with Wikipedia's editors that as it remains up, it's a worthy article to keep in place in the history of British ice hockey even if it may need more sources as the note shows. While other pages like Oxford University Ice Hockey Club carries far more history and therefore sources, I find it exceptional to compare a team founded in 2011 to the team page of the most historic ice hockey club in Europe. Despite being founded so recently, they still have a shockingly deep history to the team, which brings me to the next point.

Point #3: The Typhoons are an notable and important subject in British university ice hockey as well as in the University of St Andrews culture and history. When I started this, I figured I'd make another team page to fill one of the missing spots on the BUIHA teams list. Yet thanks to the pressure for secondary sources, I found this team is extremely notable in university life in St Andrews - and has an extremely interesting (albeit tragic history). According to University of St Andrews, there are 11,280 students at the school right now, so there is on record just under 15% of the entire school (1500 people) attending Jonny Wookey Memorial Game. While it may not have the historical importance of something like Ice Hockey Varsity Match, attendance that high shows it is a huge event for the students of St Andrews and Scotland as a whole. The only one that seems to even come close in St Andrews would be The Scottish Varsity. Considering the difference in popularity between ice hockey and rugby in Scotland, the fact that the number of people interested is this close is an interesting fact in itself. The game is worth archiving on its own but is especially worth inclusion within the context of a team page that is so important in university ice hockey as they won the championship just 2 years ago.

Point #4: There is still significantly more content to go through. All of the sources I have posted have been from "official" newspapers and sources online, but I have not gone through the years of articles on the experience and history written by the St Andrews student newspaper "The Saint". Even right now on their front page is a new article about the experience at Jonny Wookey this year where they lost. I'm pretty busy right now (I fit in the edits and this piece in a bit of free time) but by Friday I should have a complete page with all secondary sources out there - and a pretty perfect page for Wikipedia if you allow it to stay up.

With all of this, I feel there is plenty of evidence that this article is suitable for conclusion and meets the general notability guideline. Please check out the original article with the new additions. I hope these changes (and new sources) will convince you that this article is worth inclusion. As for me, I'm going to keep working on this page when I have time and I'll be voting Keep for this page. Fastfads (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Sources are exclusively non-independent (websites of BUIHA, Phoons, St Andrews, and St Andrews student newspapers) or fail NOTNEWS (news reports on a missing student). JoelleJay (talk) 01:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would disagree with point #1 lightly with emphasis on the student newspaper - while there is a reliance on sources that are related (and this is considered acceptable in the case of London Dragons, Sheffield Bears, Cardiff Redhawks etc.), there still are independent sources from that student documentary video, The Tab, and most importantly the student newspaper (given it is not funded by the university - it is independent, just adjacent to the community the same way that we consider The Student independent in Edinburgh) - are all independent and direct evidence of the history of the team. If you want to quote the scores or stats, you can find all of these people exist simply through looking at Elite Prospects - but that seems like I'm source dumping just to prove a point that the first Wookey game was won 6-3. It's not like I made this team up. So I both lightly disagree with this point, but also don't see how this mixes with the general notability guideline from which this AfD is built.

In point #2, the NOTNEWS criticism, I do not understand in any way how this fits the criteria for this one. The news articles made in the name of Jonny Wookey are an integral part of the story of this hockey team's biggest event of the year and one of the primary notability reasons about them. NOTNEWS seems to be if I was using breaking news to make this entire article up - but it's an added piece to the stories of Kieran McCann and especially Jonny Wookey who both had an impact on the team - and therefore are viable sources. I would really need an explanation on the not news criticism to consider it.

Lastly, I'm going to take a piece from my looking at the many pages of AfD guidelines and precedents: AFDISNOTCLEANUP and DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP - if the style of sourcing is the problem but this is still notable and passes the guidelines, it isn't worth deleting or redirecting. Fastfads (talk) 01:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to University of St Andrews Athletic Union - there is a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, so notability has not been establish when judged against the criteria set out in WP:SIRS. Drchriswilliams (talk) 05:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wrestling

Enid Rivera

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This subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG; the only hits I found were for unrelated people. Article already had a removed PROD, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American football

List of ESPN College Football personalities

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, most of these are about the game and if they do, barely offering much to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Indiscriminate and WP:LISTCRUFT, and Wikipedia is not a directory. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 18:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to College Football on ABC#Personalities as an WP:ATD. Agree with nom about everything except WP:NOTTVGUIDE. This is a list of personalities to which I do not see how this would be a tv guide, so that policy is out. I don't find the list covers WP:LISTN exclusively. It's good to return to the main article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN College Football broadcast teams

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, fourteen of those are wiki pages, and the rest, if not unsourced, is WP:PRIMARY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep with sourcing from [89], [90] and [91]. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:09, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Sources above are a mix of WP:ROUTINE or not applicable to the article. They are good to add to the main article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of College Football on ABC personalities

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is mostly unsourced per WP:RS, barring two WP:PRIMARY and a wiki page, none of those asserting notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to College Football on ABC#Personalities as an WP:ATD. Agree with nom about everything except WP:NOTTVGUIDE. This is a list of personalities to which I do not see how this would be a tv guide, so that policy is out. I don't find the list covers WP:LISTN exclusively. It's good to return to the main article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Big 12 Championship Game broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; nearly all of these are about the game or are broadcasting schedules with one leading back to its homepage. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Division I FBS broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS that is not a dead link; tem of those are WP:PRIMARY to teams, two of those are 404 and two are staff roster pages; two of those are about announcers and one leads to a home page. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this nor have anything to with this list. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of ReliaQuest Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources that is not a dead link per WP:RS; one is a WP:PRIMARY of one of the teams, three of those are about the Bowl games in general, one is about the BCS National Championship. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This doesn't meet WP:LISTN as this grouping is not covered in secondary sources Let'srun (talk) 14:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sugar Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is about an announcer, each one of the others is about the Bowl games, with this being given a passing mention. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep with sourcing from [92] and [93].
Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Sources above are merely routine mentions or ratings numbers. Conyo14 (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Texas Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS, all but one is a press release, one of which is a 404. That source that is not a press release is a dead link. All the ESPN press releases is about the Bowl games, not just this. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:LISTN is not met as these broadcasters are not discussed as a group in secondary sources. Let'srun (talk) 23:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: the sources provided above fall under WP:ROUTINE and are not effective to complete WP:LISTN. This is a trivial list and does not withstand the WP:SIGCOV to remain as an article. Conyo14 (talk) 04:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Little Caesars Pizza Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS that is neither a YouTube video or a dead link; one is a WP:PRIMARY of one of the teams, three of the ESPN articles is about the Bowl or BCS games, not exclusive to this and the rest is about the games itself with the broadcasting element being given a passing mention. The rest is about the games itself, far less for the broadcasting of this game. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per above nom. I see no encyclopedic value or reason for this list. Also, the editor who created it is now a blocked sock. — Maile (talk) 15:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Liberty Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides a YouTube and a dead link, one is a WP:PRIMARY of one of the teams, one needs a Flash reader and thus inactive. Of the news scans, one is about the game itself, one is an announcment and one redirects to the home page. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per above nom. I see no encyclopedic value or reason for this list. Also, the editor who created it is now a blocked sock. — Maile (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Alamo Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS, barring five Wikipedia articles; two duplicate source is about the BCS game itself, not just this. One is about the Bowl games itself, one is about the coverage of the Bowl games and the rest about the game itself with the goverage being given a passing mention. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per above nom. I see no encyclopedic value or reason for this list. Editor who created it is now a blocked sock. — Maile (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Armed Forces Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is a dead link; four (a duplicate source of two articles), is about the BCS game in general, not just the broadcasting of this and one has a brief info about TV information and five of those (a single source), although a WP:PRIMARY, now a dead link. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per above nom. I see no encyclopedic value or reason for this list. Also, the editor who created it is now a blocked sock. — Maile (talk) 15:16, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Holiday Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; is about a switch from ESPN, which should be in an article about the game itself, not a list of broadcasters. Additionally, one is a YouTube video, one is about the BCS coverages in general, not just this and though all of those are about the games itself, the broadcasting gets a passing mention. The rest is about the games itself, far less for the broadcasting of this game. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment You might as well mention relevant AfDs proposed that can seen on Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/American football

This is no part in trying to minimize your efforts but more so hope the effort is unionized across the board. I want to imagine alternatives to deletion are possible before a deletion is ruled out. A redirect back to the relevant bowl could suffice. – The Grid (talk) 13:25, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Independence Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is a 404, one are announcments of the BCS coverages, not just this. The rest is about the games itself, far less for the broadcasting of this game. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Fiesta Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; one is about the BCS games in general, not just this, one is a 403, three of those talk about the BCS and Bowl games in general one is a TV schedule listing and one is about one of the announcers in general, not the boradcasting of this game. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gasparilla Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS, this game gets a brief mention, the rest are TV schedules. In all, not doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of First Responder Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS, two of those are blogspot posts. Of the four ESPN press releases, two of those are TV schedule listings, two of those is about the 34 Bowl games, not just this which gets a brief mention. In all, not doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this. All the rest are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hawaii Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; as with the ESPN sources, one redirects to the main page whilst the other is a 403. The other two are news report of the game itself, so not doing much to assert notability, which is used to argue about the notability of lists like this. One is a YouTube video, the one of a local paper leads to an error message. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per above nom. I see no encyclopedic value or reason for this list. Editor who created it is now a blocked sock. — Maile (talk) 15:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 15:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NBC College Football personalities

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to College Football on NBC Sports#On-air talent. This list is already covered there as it is WP:TRIVIA more so than an entire article dedicated to it. Conyo14 (talk) 22:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to College Football on NBC Sports#On-air talent: Coverage does not exist for WP:LISTN to be met as a standalone article. Let'srun (talk) 14:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Army–Navy Game broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is mostly unsourced per WP:RS, barring a dead and a Wiki page. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Conference USA Football Championship Game announcers

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, all but one, a WP:PRIMARY is sourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game announcers

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Cotton Bowl Classic broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, it's an important college football bowl game, with sourcing from [94], [95], [96]. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE and WP:ITSIMPORTANT applies. This is not about the notability of the games itself. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Citrus Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Redbox Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Famous Idaho Potato Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of New Orleans Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS, with one now redirecting you to the front page and another being a primary source per WP:PRIMARY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sun Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, it has a storied history on CBS, see [97], [98], [99]. Esolo5002 (talk) 16:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE and WP:ITSIMPORTANT applies. This is not about the notability of the games itself. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Poinsettia Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS, with one being a dead and another a blog post. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Orange Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the Orange Bowl is one of the most important bowl games, see [100], [101], [102], [103], [104]Esolo5002 (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE and WP:ITSIMPORTANT applies. This is not about the notability of the games itself. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SpacedFarmer: You're practically speaking very subjectively when you state that this is another case of something to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, especially without accompanying evidence to backup such a general statement. It almost sounds like your your saying that something like this shouldn't be around because you personally don't care, heard much of, or understand or have much reverence college football or its history and background. Just because it may not personally appeal to you doesn't instantly mean that there's otherwise, little merit in something like this. BornonJune8 (talk) 11:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I said appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, I meant this list, not the sport as a whole. Did you pay attention to that? Of course not. As an non-American, we all know how popular the sport is to you Americans. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NB: This user (BornonJune8) has a history of exclusively targeting my AfD with a keep vote, despite how weak they are. This was because I nominated one of his article for AfD. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of New Mexico Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS with the only one being a dead source. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Military Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS with both being blog posts per WP:PRIMARY. (talk) 06:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Las Vegas Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS with both being primary sources per WP:PRIMARY. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Aloha Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS with one being a Tripod page. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pop-Tarts Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, lacking a reliable source per WP:RS with one dead and another a forum. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pinstripe Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Peach Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all No sources, unclear significance. Reywas92^Talk 13:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Music City Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Birmingham Bowl broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, this list is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTN and lack of any sourcing to establish notability. I so vote despite the nom's annoying use of an anticipatory third-person plural future tense advisory. Cbl62 (talk) 07:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator removed the language I found problematic. See diff]. Probably should have been ~~stricken~~ rather that vanished, but I appreciate the response nevertheless. Cbl62 (talk) 00:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it as part of the feedback because I thought it won't wash well with future nominators. I had added it in, being fed up of the WP:ITSUSEFUL and WP:ILIKEIT votes I was getting from this selection of voters (they come to keep vote on my AfD, even for the most trivial reasons). SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1918 Alabama Crimson Tide football team

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Alabama did not field a team in 1918, I don't see why an article is necessary when there is no such article for the 1898 season in which Alabama also did not field a team. Gazingo (talk) 03:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:NSEASONS, per previous consensus we don't keep articles for teams which didn't play any games. Let'srun (talk) 17:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dubee

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Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (music)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jb45424 (talk • contribs) 12:44, April 29, 2024 (UTC)

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Found this during PROD patrol, and wanted to discuss it at AFD myself. The pros here are a short Allmusic review and two sizeable writeups at Rapreviews.com. I have no prior experience with Rapreviews.com, but the site is used for more than 100 wp articles. I'm leaning keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to find this article about the subject, and I would also describe myself as leaning keep. Hatman31 (talk) 17:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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