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    March 18

    WNCN (now WAXQ)

    This is in reference to the article about WNCN (104.3 FM) in New York City. The station was owned by Starr Broadcasting and changed from classical music to rock and roll in 1974. I was an employee during that period, totaling almost 15 years.

    The factual error is that William F. Buckley, Jr. did NOT lead the fight to return the station to classical music. He was Chairman of the Board of the owner, Starr Broadcasting, and although he personally preferred classical music, he was acting on behalf of shareholders to improve station financials. But the station lost money as a classical broadcaster.

    The fight to restore classical music to 104.3 was centered at the WNCN Listener's Guild, of which I was one of three original founders. The group raised $600,000 and fought Starr Broadcasting at the FCC and in the courts.

    As a settlement, Starr sold the station (at no profit) to GAF Broacasting in 1975. At that time I was rehired, as was most of the classical music staff.

    Sincerely,

    Matt Edwards <email removed> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.189.127.111 (talk) 00:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    odd category

    Can someone help me figure out why Büyük Menderes River is in Category:Dinar? The category is for currencies related to the dinar, so it does not belong. I want to remove it, but there's no direct category reference ([[Category:dinar]]). None of the templates used on the page add it to the category either. I realize this is not exactly a newbie question, but hope someone can help me anyway. Thanks, Ingrid 01:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The article is in the category, not because of the currency, but because of the river's location in Dinar. Per: It has its sources not far from Celaenae in Phrygia (now Dinar), where it gushed forth in a park of Cyrus. The category should stay as in place. Real96 01:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)The problem is the infobox. It adds the page to Category:{{{Origin}}}, and the origin is Dinar. If you change the origin in the infobox (make it more specific), it should fix it. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 01:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Alphabetization help?

    Is there a tool or bot or whatever available to alphabetize a bulleted list on an article page? I'm thinking particularly of lists of people, such as a teacher's students or a school's alumni, which can get long and hard to follow as editors add names to the bottom of the list. I've encountered a couple of examples, and fixing them manually seems rather daunting, and likely to end up in a pyrrhic victory as later edits defeat the purpose.

    I don't know if this is even technically possible, but if it is possible, and no tool exists yet, who can I ask to tackle it?

    Thanks. Turangalila (talk) 01:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Relisting?

    Hi. I've been hanging around at AFD and TFD discussions lately, and I notice a tag that looks like this:

     Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
     Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~~~~

    Could someone please explain where and why this would be used? I've seen it used on discussions where only two people have voted. Thanks in advance- CattleGirl talk | sign! | review me 02:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It means that the AfD was unable to gain consensus because there were too few comments, and thus, it has been listed again, so that more editors can add their points-of-view. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    English styles

    Is there a template to warn users that English styles shouldn't be changed? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't believe so. Instead, just put a comment like <!-- Note to editors: This article is written in American English, please do not change it. --> at the top of the page. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean a user warning template. Its not listed on WP:UTM, but I think I've seen them before. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    There are actually templates for this: {{Lang0}}, {{Lang1}}, {{Lang2}}, {{Lang3}}, {{Lang4}}, {{Lang5}}. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 03:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    access to article introductions, problems with statistical articles

    For some articles on statistical methods, there are problems in the introductions (see below), but the introductions are not accessible to editing. Can access be provided, to article introductions?

    To edit an introductory paragraph of an article, click on the "edit this page" tab at the top of the page.--Vbd (talk) 04:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Common problems relate to a failure to a place a method in context. The practical significance of a method is not stated. The conceptual relationships of a method may not be correctly stated.Dfarrar 02:35, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Internet Explorer Menus

    Can you make it possible to use the Internet Explorer pull-down menus just with keystrokes (Alt+E for the edit menu)? For somre reason, Wikipedia is the only website I have ever seen that does not allow this. Many people do not like to use the mouse and used keystrokes to access the menus. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.112.139.224 (talk • contribs)

    Unfortunately, the shortcut keys are coded into the Wiki software. You'll need to disable them using the instructions found here. It is possible you will have to create an account in order to implement the code. Hersfold (talk/work) 03:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    P.S. - Please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who we're talking to. Thanks! Hersfold (talk/work) 03:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I couldn't find this stuff in the 'About Wikipedia' section.

    How many volunteers total are there? And is there anybody with Wikipedia (volunteer or otherwise) who actively goes through the pages and looks for vandalism, errors, etc.? Or is it entirely done by the users/people? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.227.137.126 (talk) 03:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    All the work concerning articles is done by the users. See Special:Statistics for current user numbers. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 04:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    How to avoid the orange bar "you have new message"

    Are there any types of script I can use to prevent the "you have new message" bar? Given that I can check my talk page once in a while to see if there's anything new, the notice is both annoying and unnecessary. Please help, thank you S. Miyano 03:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes, or you could change what it looks like. What do you want to do? Prodego talk 04:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't think it is a good idea, but you can add this to your personal CSS: 

    .usermessage {
    display: none;
}

    If you still want to see it when you're on your own user page or talk page, you can do: 

    .usermessage {
    display: none;
}

.page-User_S_Miyano .usermessage,
.page-User_talk_S_Miyano .usermessage {
    display: block;
}

    These should be added to User:S. Miyano/monobook.css. Mike Dillon 04:11, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for the replies. Could you please check if I did it right [1]? S. Miyano 04:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good, best way to tell if it works is to test it--VectorPotentialTalk 04:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Becoming A Member

    How Do You Become A Member of A Project.Bernstein2291 04:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Bernstein2291[reply]

    If you've got an account, you already are one! Now, just edit pages you fee like editing, and contribute constructively in any way you can. DoomsDay349 04:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you mean a WikiProject, all you normally have to do is add your name to the list of members and then start helping the project. The various projects will normally have lists of to-do items that you can help with. Dismas|(talk) 05:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Copied text

    I noticed that the plot for At Sachem Farm is copied word-for-word from IMDb. What should I do? Clarityfiend 05:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Replace it with a copyvio tag, making sure the URL of the page it's copied from is specified by using |url=sitehere. -Wooty Woot? contribs 05:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't want to delete the article; there's some legitimate info there. I think I'll just delete the offending material. Clarityfiend 06:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, just remove it. Copyvio tags are best used if the entire article is a violation. - Mgm|(talk) 07:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I Can't Login - Account Name CognitIt -

    This says I didn't enter an email address, but I have a confirmation in my box. This is a copy of it.

    Someone from the IP address xxxxxxxxxxx has registered the account "CognitIt" with this e-mail address on the English Wikipedia.

    To confirm that this user account really does belong to you and to activate e-mail features on Wikipedia, please open this URL in your browser:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/db2eef76e07ad5364e9a2c2eb6c92ebb

    If you did not recently register for Wikipedia (or if you registered with a different e-mail address), please do *not* click on the link.

    This confirmation e-mail will automatically expire at 15:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC).


    ~Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org

    Please make sure it is in my account. I am 92% sure that I validated this; my hyperlink showed previous use. I really want to keep my login name. The email account is the same as the name I submitted, as you can see. I need to request a new password and am stumped. <email redacted>. 68.89.170.143 06:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks.

    • Where does it say you didn't enter an email address? - Mgm|(talk) 07:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    uploaded article missing

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    i have uploaded a new article about our church several weeks ago.. but i could not find it in wikipedia... The title is... "Tortugas United Methodist Church" When will you make the article public?

    Thank you very much! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prayerofjabez (talk • contribs) 07:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    From this edit [2] it seems like you only saved the page to the Introduction page. The area below the introduction page is only for test edits. All information there is deleted periodically. You could copy the text and create a new article for it but the other problem is that your church might not be notable enough to be on Wikipedia. There are thousands of churches around the world and unless your church is especially famous, the church might not be notable. See WP:NOTABLE for guidelines. -- Hdt83 | Talk 07:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The article was probably deleted Never mind--SUIT양복 07:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Why is Don(REd )Goldstein All America for LOuisville 1959,not listed under Jewish basketball players?

    High-res fair use images?

    When you have a high-res copyrighted (by someone other than you) image that you'd like to use under the Fair Use principle, what's the maximum size that it should be uploaded as? I've been hearing things like 400px wide or high, and I'd like to know what the rule of thumb is. Thanks. -Malkinann 08:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The principle underlying this would be "not adequate to make a good reproduction of the original on paper", I think. Notinasnaid 08:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    That's right. The image doesn't need to be particularly small, just not large enough that it can be used for anything but identification on screen. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 08:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    New page

    How do I create a new page in Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaberwock (talk • contribs)

    Before you do, I'd recommend you spend some time learning the ropes, and editing existing articles. It's a sad fact that almost all the pages people make are deleted right away because they don't fit the way Wikipedia works, and you can only learn that with practice, perhaps a few hundred useful edits. When you are ready, see Wikipedia:Your first article. Happy editing! Notinasnaid 09:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Another useful page is Help:Starting a new page. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 11:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia has a peculiar characteristic, we might even consider it an ergonomic design flaw, in that it has a tendency to encourage (or at least not to discourage) new-article creation as a new editor's first attempt at editing. This is unfortunate because creating new articles has a much lower probability of success than editing existing articles. An unfortunate but all-too-common scenario is: a user has been using Wikipedia to look things up, but hasn't done any editing yet; then, upon trying to look up some topic of interest and finding no article in Wikipedia about it, decides to create the article. Because the new user has no prior experience editing existing articles, the article is likely to violate any number of Wikipedia's complex rules and get deleted. The problem seems to be that anyone can see when the article they want is missing, but only a comparatively small number of experienced editors can recognize the vast number of improvements that most existing articles need. And so the deletionists stay busy.
    Over time, I expect this problem to work itself out, as Wikipedia's article count increases, reducing the perceived need to create so many new articles, and Wikipedia's search capability improves to include transwikied articles (so users find articles on other wikis instead of only seeing them as missing on Wikipedia). Eventually Wikipedia may develop something like an outplacement service for topics that belong on other wikis. Currently, Wikipedia too often behaves as if it is the only wiki that exists, merely deleting unsuitable articles without doing enough to find other wikis that want them. Since Wikipedia is the largest wiki target for search engines, it acts like a honeypot or red herring for new wiki users who aren't aware of other wikis more suitable for the kind of editing they want to do. Instead the software allows new users to go ahead and create articles, many of which later get summarily deleted by laborious human intervention. It would be better to somehow integrate outplacement recommendations with the new-article-creation process, especially for users with few edits. --Teratornis 16:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    pregnancy

    I AM 43 YEARS OLD.I HAVE ONE SON 19 YEARS OLD . I HAD AMISSCARRIAGE LAST MONTH. I WANT TO HAVE A SECOND BABY. HOW TO TELL ABOUT MY PREGNANCY TO MY SON? HOW HE WILL REACT? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.167.190.42 (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    This is ridiclous, this is an encyclopedia. Not a doctors, or any kind of social care. Often when people come here saying things like that; we tend to think that they are making a joke of us. If this is a real problem. Please see Jerry Springer, Trisha, or Jeremy Kyle, or something to that extent. Reguards. Retiono Virginian 11:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Whether or not the anonymous questioner is joking, Sibling rivalry may be a place to start, although it says nothing about the case of 20-year age differences between siblings. Perhaps the anonymous questioner can help expand that article by looking up some reputable sources. Of course no encyclopedia article can definitively predict how one person will react to a given situation, because everyone is different. However, the encyclopedia might report how many other people have reacted in similar situations. Finally, in keeping with the instructions in Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer, here's the boilerplate Help desk response for any question not about how to edit on Wikipedia: Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --Teratornis 15:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I do not see sibling rivalry in this non-Wikipedia-Help-desk question. One fact at hand is that of a 19 year old son being an adult. Another serious fact is that of a 43 year old mother being likely to have pregnancy complications. Should the pregnancy and birth be healthy, at the least the 43 year old mother "should" have an immediate, readily available babysister. The more pressing question should be that of - why not have this discussion / conversation with family or close individuals prior to conception? Marycontrary
    I'm sorry for your miscarriage. You should see a doctor, both to check you out after the loss of your fetus, for advice v/v your son and possibly for a counselling referral for yourself. If you don't have a GP (general practitioner) or gynecologist, or if money is an issue, many communities have free women's health treatment and counselling. Free emergency helplines may help too. I was left wondering whether your question was about telling your son about your miscarriage or your planned pregnancy? Not that it matters, this isn't the venue. And to other respondents, please remember WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. If we can't answer a question civilly, let's leave it for someone else to deal with. Anchoress 21:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Facts are facts and Wikipedia is about facts. Just as discussion pages on wikipedia are helpful for Wikipedians, so it is appropriate for me to have recommended to have the necessary discussion and conversations with family or close individuals PRIOR to trying to conceive. Anchoress, what was it about my response that upset you? Luckily for the woman with the question, her 19 year old son is old enough to deal with it and that she wants to to become pregnant. I pointed to some wikipedia articles particularly about having the discussion with her son and others. The 19 year old could become very helpful and assist the mother (like babysitting), but first talk about the plans, talk openingly and regularly. Marycontrary
    Your response didn't upset me. I did not suggest that it was inappropriate. Anchoress 16:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Need help

    I need help getting started. BigMacintosh. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigMacintosh (talk • contribs) 22:13, 18 March 2007

    Hi BigMacintosh, where are you stuck? What are you trying to do? Notinasnaid 11:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you want some basic information about contributing to Wikipedia, some good links include: Wikipedia:Introduction, Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia:Tutorial. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 12:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    godsgirls.com

    hi,

    my name is annaliese nielsen and i am the founder of the company seen at godsgirls.com. godsgirls.com is owned by godsgirls LLC not by offworld media group. ownership of godsgirls can be verified with a simple who is lookup.


    the article about godsgirls can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godsgirls


    it cites www.suicidegirlx.com as the source for it's claim that godsgirls is owned by offworld media group. suicidegirlx is hardly a reputable source. that website is full of gossip mongering and slander.

    we appreciate wikipedia's efforts in providing factual material in it's articles and appreciate the corrections that should be made to this article.

    thank you! -annaliese

    Response is posted at Talk:GodsGirls#Ownership. I've made changes to the article. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Finding Pages Over One Week Old

    I am entirely new to Wikipedia and a little puzzled. Some time before 14th March I posted a question about a song (about a king who ate somebody). I received a reply that did not answer the question. I then mistakenly breached etiquette by posting a new page and using upper-case letters (I was advised that this is 'shouting'). I posted an apology and explanation and invited anyone who knew how to delete the page (I meant the new page, not the original, though I may have been unclear about that). I have tried searching for my original page (with the original question), but I am unable to find it. I do not know how to find a page earlier than 14th March, since the list which comes up starts at 14th March and I can find no route to earlier pages. I am sure I must be missing something, but, as I said, I am totally new to all this and therefore somewhat at sea.

    Perhaps somebody could confirm having seen the original page and let me know whether it still exists and, if so, how I can get to it, as I am still anxious to find the answer to my original question.

    I am perfectly happy to start all over again if I need to but, as we are told not to post the same question twice, I am trying to be meticulous in my observation of the rules/etiquette, etc.

    As nearly as I can recall, the heading to my original question was: 

            "Song About A King Who Ate Somebody??"

    Any help will be greatly appreciated, please.12:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Barrinald

    • Ah, I think you lost track of what page you were on. Your original question was on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment, and that's probably where you need to go to find old questions. (A tip, to help you find where you asked: click the "My contributions" link). Good luck, Notinasnaid

    Suggested article

    James Vaughn, Carterville Illinois Patriot

    Why haven't you added this great man to Wikpedia? Just asking? www.jamesvaughn.org -- 12:38, 18 March 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.180.219 (talk • contribs)

    That would be the person about whom a "radio and internet news magazine" said James Vaughn is another example of average Americans doing above average things to avert a fascist state and stop the push towards World War III.? [3]
    WP:ATT and WP:BIO discuss Wikipedia's policies about who is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who we're talking to.
    There could be a few reasons why we don't have an article on him.
    1. Nobody has requested an article be made about him at Wikipedia:Requested articles.
    2. Nobody has thought to create the article of their own initiative.
    3. He is not considered notable under Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion. See WP:NOTE.
    4. By looking at the website you showed me, it might be difficult to have an article about this person written from a neutral point of view.
    If you would like to create the article, then please create an account and do so. Please carefully review all of Wikipedia's policies beforehand. Thanks! Hersfold (talk/work) 15:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Image links ...

    I am trying to perfect my Signature with a nice speech balloon, but I can't get the image NOT to jump line. (The image is a link to my talk!)
    Besides remaking the template I use for this (Click) in a "<span>" in stead of a "<div>", do I have any options ?
    See also My sandbox, but here it is: 

    [[User:R U Bn|R U Bn]] ({{Click | image = Speech_balloon.svg| link = User talk:R U Bn
| width = 10px| height= 10px}})

    Result:
    R U Bn (User talk:R U Bn) Thank you :-) R U Bn (Talk • contrib) 14:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It's better not to use any image in your signature. See also Wikipedia:Signatures#Images. Garion96 (talk) 14:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You also shouldn't use templates either as the transclusion can slow down page loading. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 17:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Image name

    Simply, how do you change the name of an image? Simply south 17:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    As you have probably seen, there is no Move tab. If there is no established policy, I would suggest re-uploading it with a new name; placing {{db-author}} on your old image (it is yours, I assume?); and changing any links as required. Adrian M. H. 17:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's policy about renaming images, as there is with articles, but there's no move functionality because you can't redirect image links to display the proper image if it moves. If it's not yours, remember to include all the information from the previous uploader before adding a deletion tag to the old image. - Mgm|(talk) 20:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding Infoboxes

    I'm attempting to add infoboxes to a wiki page on a whole other site -- but the "how to" pages are completely baffling to me. I get incomplete boxes and stuff that looks nothing like what an infobox is supposed to look like.

    18:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Kate

    • What kind of infobox are you trying to add? Try thinking of a similar subject and try using how that is coded as an example for the one you want to make. - Mgm|(talk) 19:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    By "whole other site" do you mean a MediaWiki wiki other than Wikipedia? If so, is the infobox template that you are trying to use actually on the other wiki? Wikipedia has tons of stuff that people have added to the basic MediaWiki software; other MediaWiki wikis may be missing things you use on Wikipedia. If something you need is missing on the other wiki, you may need help from a more advanced user to help you copy all the pieces from Wikipedia, or you may need help from the wiki's system administrator to install missing extensions (such as the m:ParserFunctions extension that some of the fancy infoboxes use).
    If the infobox template you are trying to use is on your other wiki, browse to its page. It will have a name something like: Template:Infobox whatever, and click "What links here" in the toolbox. That will show you a list of pages on the wiki that use that infobox. To illustrate this on Wikipedia, Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox Software shows all the pages that use the Infobox Software template (their entries say "transclusion" after the page name). Find a page that uses your infobox properly, and then copy the wikitext from that page and edit it with your infobox values. --Teratornis 04:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Messages

    Yes, I'm new. How do I delete messages? By the way, I'm NOT registered user...

    75.68.132.121 18:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Thanks, M75.68.132.121 18:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Do you mean delete messages off your talk page? If you do then do not do this unless they are offensive, if a user talk page gets to full then archive it so they are viewable at later dates. Cheers!! Tellyaddict 19:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I suppose this refers to the bug where the new message bar does not disappear for anons, even after the message is viewed. You have to create an account right now, though it should be fixed soon. It is listed as bug 9213. Prodego talk 19:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:ARCHIVE Scottydude 16:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It's a ornage-brown bar across the near-top of every page of Wikipedia I go on, and it says "You have a new message (last change)"

    Go to User talk:75.68.132.121. This is the Talk page associated with anonymous account 75.68.132.121. Someone has sent you a message there. Once you have seen the messages on your Talk page, the notice will go away. Corvus cornix 17:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    ned zelic

    now playing football for dinamo tbilisi in georgia since january 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.72.139.230 (talk) 19:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    I've copied the above to Talk:Ned Zelic; hopefully editors who follow that article will update it. If not, feel free to edit Ned Zelic yourself. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    grand theft auto(series)

    what ever happened to the timeline of grand theft auto? was it removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.198.212.219 (talk) 19:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Possibly deleted--SUIT양복 19:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It was deleted; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Grand Theft Auto III canon Dave6 talk 22:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you're looking for it, the above-referenced deletion discussion says someone transwikied it to GTA Wiki. In general, computer-game enthusiasts seem far along on setting up their own wikis to store content deemed unencyclopedic by Wikipedia. So when will Google give us a search on all public wikis while excluding all non-user-editable sites? That would make it easier to track down all the transwikied articles. That might also cut down on the number of articles for deletion on Wikipedia, as people who want to make unencyclopedic articles here might find those articles already under construction elsewhere, and go help to edit them there. --Teratornis 04:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Choose what OS to boot from

    Hi there! When I bought Vista a month ago I also got a new harddrive to install it on. When the new HDD was plugged in I just put in the Vista DVD and the installation went perfect. Since many drivers won't do well in Vista I was clever enough to keep XP on the other drive, the problem is just that I can't get my PC to boot it without opening the case and switching the SATA wires. I just want to be able to choose what OS to boot from, every time I start the PC. I know it will make me choose if there are two on the same HDD, but how should I do if they are on different drives? Help... :/ 213.64.150.116 20:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Please ask this question at the Reference desk - you'll find a link at the top of this page to the computer section, where someone will be happy to help you. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Usage

    When should this dotted box be used? Clarityfiend 21:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe the only time you generally use that box is when demonstrating Wikimarkup. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 21:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It's also handy for demonstrating source code and command line examples. Many Unix program articles have examples which use the space indent style. A good one is in: Pipeline (Unix)#Example. A system administrator who wants to document system adminstration procedures on a corporate wiki will use lots and lots of those dotted boxes (speaking from personal experience there). Articles on Wikipedia which aren't about MediaWiki markup or computer programming or DOS or Unix or markup languages in general (such as HTML, XML, XSL, DocBook, etc.) or configuration files or some other computer science-y topic probably won't have much use for the dotted box. --Teratornis 03:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Crop image, public domain?

    I want to crop this image's vertical sides. It is released as public domian by the City of San Diego. Do I have the legal right to edit the picture by cropping off part of the picture? Thanks -ChristopherMannMcKay 23:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes you do, as long as you still credit the creators of the image. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 23:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The disclaimer page seems to contradict itself:
    "Unless a copyright is indicated, information on the City of San Diego Web site is in the public domain and may be reproduced, published or otherwise used with the City of San Diego's permission."
    But:
    "Using or modifying this site's materials and information for commercial or profit making purposes is prohibited and may violate the copyrights and/or other proprietary rights of the City of San Diego or third parties."
    You should probably email them for clarification. --NE2 23:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for clarifying. As for the public domain, it says "commercial or profit making purposes" and Wikipedia is a non-profit -ChristopherMannMcKay 23:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    "Public domain" means unrestricted use. The text on the San Diego website was not written by a lawyer, because they would know that "public domain" means that you explicitly don't need permission. You're going to need to ask them. Mike Dillon 23:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, Wikipedia cannot use photos with non-commercial restrictions, non-profit only, etc. It must be released for all usages, without fee (but with credit is OK). Notinasnaid 23:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Sadly, this is not quite the case. "Public domain" means multiple things - whilst it is a term of art with regards to copyright law, it is used to mean other things in different contexts, and some of those may crop up in "reuse permission" situations. It may, and in many contexts does, mean that it is simply comprised of public information - it is not secret information, it is not information that is a trade secret, it is something that is "public knowledge". (Detailed CIA intel reports are, for example, public domain in that they cannot assert copyright, but they are certainly not "public domain" in that the information is not publicly known or able to be publicly disseminated). As such, it's a bad idea to jump to the conclusion that "public domain" is always and invariably a Magic No Copyright Incantation, regardless of the apparent intention of the author - and, to me, the apparent intention of the author is clearly not "copyright-PD" here, as they give usage restrictions in the same page. Shimgray | talk | 23:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure it means different stuff in other contexts, but in copyright statements, it generally means "public domain" in the copyright sense, not the public knowledge sense. That being said, it looks like we're in agreement that the licensing statement is ambiguous as worded and likely does not amount to actually releasing the image into the public domain in the sense that is needed for it to be usable on WP. The original image is probably not usable either, not just modified versions. Mike Dillon 00:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Can you delete questions

    Can you delete questions that you have typed???????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.101.237 (talk • contribs)

    You should not delete questions. Other people may have similar questions, and seeing your answers, may learn what they need. In time, questions on this page will be archived, and removed from here, but still kept. Notinasnaid 23:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you feel that you would like to let others know that you think the question should be removed, you can bracket it with <s> and </s>. This will put a line through the entire question, meaning that it has been struck through, but is still readable. Corvus cornix 17:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Making Recommendations to Wikipedia for Site Changes, & A Few Actual Recommendations Due to Not Having Another Place to Propose Them

    I've searched all over the "contact us" & "questions" pages for a place to merely make suggestions, and was at a loss.

    1) I really think such a place and easy means to find it should exist.

    That is, there should be a forum for users to recommend improvements to Wikipedia.

    And here are 3 of these recommendations, for a lack of a more appropriate place to post them:

    2) Wikipedia should offer its users the option to mark certain articles as a 'favorite,' so while logged in, users can easily return to - via a list - any number of articles they personally value.

    3) Wikipedia should have a "did you mean" feature when users search for a misspelled term, such as the one dictionary.com offers. If one looks up a word in dictionary.com and it is misspelled, the site offers several suggestions of words that the user may have meant to write. This will not only help people find the articles they are seeking, in an age where spelling is worsening due to computer spell checks, but will also help people find articles they seek that may be worded just a little differently than how they wrote their search term.

    For example, 'Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis' is a word in the english language. But if one replaces the last vowel with an 'o' to yield: 'Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosos', then Wikipedia falls short of suggesting any similar terms.

    4) Finally, Wikipedia should have an FAQ which allows a user to literally ask a question, and the site will direct the user to possible FAQ's that may answer their inquiry, based upon keywords in their question. Friendster.com has such an FAQ (when contacting customer service, any inquiry will be filtered through such a system).

    Thank you Sincerely, 

    Danfogel 23:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, you can list proposals at the Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) page. In response to your ideas though:
    1. The page I listed above
    2. You can add a page to your watchlist. There is a check box when editing or you can click the watch tab on the top of a page. Then just click on my watchlist at the top of the screen to see all changes to watched pages. To see the full list, while looking at the Watchlist page, click "View and edit the complete list"
    3. I believe we did have something like this, but it took up too much server power. You can search Wikipedia through Google though.
    4. This could be a good idea. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 23:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • (Edit conflict)We actually have a number of those things, for instance, if you'll go to Special:Preferences, and click on the Watchlist tab, you'll see a number of options, there should also be a tab in the top right corner of you page that says watch, clicking that will add the page you're viewing to your Special:Watchlist--VectorPotentialTalk 00:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is a searchable FAQ called Nubio. Can't remember who created it. - Mgm|(talk) 05:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    March 19

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    does today sun esclspe will occure? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.2.190.6 (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    • Probably better to ask on the reference desk, this desk is for asking questions about wikipeida, the reference desk is better suited to answer general knowledge questions--VectorPotentialTalk 01:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    This question is easy to answer by browsing to the obvious Wikipedia article, and following some links. According to Solar eclipse: The last solar eclipse happened on March 19, 2007, while the next total solar eclipse will occur on August 1, 2008. The March 19 eclipse has a small entry in List of solar eclipses#21st century. The next eclipse promises to be more spectacular, and it has a nice article: Solar eclipse of 2008 August 1. --Teratornis 18:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles vs Talk/Discussion -

    1. Why are there two terms for the same thing : Talk and Discussion ?

    2. It is said that Articles are to be "encyclopedic" in content. Fine, seems OK.

    However, what is the intended content for Talk/Discussion ?

    Some users criticize certain Talk/Discussion postings, saying that "This is an encyclopedia not a forum for putting forth one's beliefs or opinions ..... ".

    How could Talk/Discussion be "encyclopedic" in nature ? What would be left for the Article ? It seems to me that ANY discussion has to start with opinions or beliefs and be worked with an open mind toward consensus.

    Am I confused or are they ? Allenwoll 01:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    In general, the overarching rule for discussion on talk pages is that it should relate to how to make the encyclopedia article better, or how to maintain it. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, which means two things:

    1. Discussing the subject of the article, rather than the article, is discouraged. For example, asking "Does anyone think that Bush is neo-conservative?" on Talk:George W. Bush is not as appropriate as asking "Should the article include the assertion that Bush is neo-conservative?"
    2. Arguing about the subject of the article, rather than discussing the article. For example, stating "I think that communism is better than capitalism" on Talk:Communism is not a good idea, and such comments will generally be removed.

    There's often a fine line between the two. Some related reading, if you're interesting in this, is WP:NOT#FORUM, WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE. and WP:OR. GracenotesT § 01:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • (edit conflict) Talk/discussion pages (there really is no difference) are for discussing the article, project, policy, proposal, etc. that the page is a talk page of. For example, Talk:God is for discussing the article God, resolving content disputes, suggestions for improvement, etc. It would not be for discussing opinions of God. It isn't really designed to be encyclopedic in its own right but to make the article more encyclopedic. Also, the talk page for a band is for discussing the article, not for gossipping about members of the band. See WP:TALK for more info. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 02:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Referring to item 1 in the original question, "talk" vs. "discussion": using two or more terms to refer to one feature in a system is an ergonomic design flaw I call synonym disease. Synonym disease makes learning the system more difficult for new users, whose first challenge is to learn the meanings of all the terms displayed by the system itself, used in its documentation, or mentioned by experienced users when they discuss the system. Technical writing handbooks stress the need to identify and define all the terms which have specific meaning with regard to a system. The converse of synonym disease is overloading, when a single term refers to more than one unrelated feature or action in a system. In a well-designed system, there is a one-to-one correspondence between terms and features. Every feature of the system has a distinct name, and each name refers to one feature. A third type of problem is the unnamed feature, a feature which is just there but has no name at all whereby people may refer to it. A skilled documenter will attempt to name all unnamed features, and negotiate with developers to introduce the names into the system. Since most developers are not documenters, the terminology they invent or accumulate as they develop systems may be to some extent accidental (that is, not guided by knowledge of ergonomic design principles), and as a result is not optimally learnable by new users. If documenters are regarded as equal members of the development team, they may be able to clean up instances of synonym disease, term overloading, and missing terms which almost invariably plague new system designs. The fact that the "talk"/"discussion" instance of synonym disease persists this late into MediaWiki's development (and, as far as I can tell, it persists unnecessarily) suggests that the MediaWiki development team has no member who understands what synonym disease is and why it is a problem, or the team has such a member whose advice is ignored. --Teratornis 19:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your helpful comment.
    For an example of ongoing frightfully bad terminology, See "Renewable energy", "Talk/Discussion", "Whatever one calls it". Allenwoll 01:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

    You should check this page. At least on my computer the graphics looked to be in the wrong category. Emphasis on the GORY.

    Regards,

    <email removed>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.30.168.121 (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    It appears fine to me. What do you mean by "category"? GracenotesT § 02:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It was vandalized earlier today. See Special:Contributions/Alexneu0. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Conures

    Hi,

    I created an article about a month ago on Maroon-bellied conures, but yesterday I was informed that the picture I uploaded is no longer there, nor is the caption. This is a picture I took with my own camera, so I'm curious as to what happened to it, why, and when it will be put back.

    74.117.70.17 06:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Did you place an image copyright tag on the image information when you uploaded it? If not, then the image is permanently deleted. Real96 08:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, image deletion can now be undone I think. I can't find any evidence such an article existed. Are you sure you didn't misspell the article title? If I can find the article, I can figure out what happened to the image (provided you inserted it into the article after you uploaded). - Mgm|(talk) 08:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    flagicon|Brazil

    I frequently view pages containing lots of flagicons. Sometimes, all the flagicons display properly except for Brazil. Do you know any reason why that would be? Consider my sandbox - the first (UK) flagicon displays properly, but the second (Brazilian) one dies not. If I hover my mouse over the Brazilian flagicon, I get a popup box saying "imagepage preview failed :( Is the query.php extension installed?". Thanks. DH85868993 06:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    That has happened to me as well, but to other images. Are you using popups? It could be something due to that instead, as the picture is still fine when I click on it. –- kungming·2 (Talk) 06:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I'm using popups. DH85868993 07:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, DH. It looks fine to me (I checked a few of my articles where I have used the Brazilian flag and they are okay). I noticed you use Brazil rather than BRA, though that should not make any difference as far as I know. Anyway, since it appears to display correctly for most users, I wouldn't worry about it. Adrian M. H. 18:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool. Thanks. DH85868993 23:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    OK, I Interned/was a Congressional Aide and Was Wondering

    I very briefly (read 1 week) did an unpaid internship for US Senator Mary Landrieu (I have never worked on her article, although I have made a comment on her talk page). I was wondering, is there a list of ISPs and known Wikipedia editors who have been on Congressional staffs, and have changed Congressional articles? Total number of such known editors? Also, did I break policy? Just wondering. Thanks. Zidel333 07:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Per the privacy policy, that information can not be released. Also, wikipedia is not a social network. Cheers! Real96 07:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    In reply to your second question: no, you haven't broken any Wikipolicy, because you haven't made any edits that could be considered conflicts of interest. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 09:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I was just curious about the information. Thanks for your help. Zidel333 15:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, Real96, you pipe external links with a space not a pipe. I've fixed it for you above. --ais523 15:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

    Is there a way

    to access a random article within a given category? Just curious. Lenoxus " * " 08:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Unless you are talking about Special:Recent changes, I don't think so. Real96 08:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    This feature doesn't exist, but a request has been made to the developers that it be implemented: bugzilla:2170. The developers are generally very busy, so it's unlikely that it will be implemented any time soon. Hope that helps! --ais523 09:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    It does; thanks. Lenoxus " * " 16:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Did you know Wikipedia has a table of contents?

    There is a proposal at the Village pump to add it to Wikipedia's main menu.

    The Transhumanist   09:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't know Wikipedia has a table of contents. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 09:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Entrtainment - March 12 & 13

    What happened to the archive? These dates are missing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.100.3.92 (talk) 10:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    What archive? Entertainment's talk is located here here. Real96 10:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    This one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.100.3.92 (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC) .[reply]

    Books

    I'm trying to write the page for the book La colmena, is there some sort of template for articles on novels that I could base it around or am I best off basing it on a featured article? L.omahony 11:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The best thing to do would be read the suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Books, and use a featured article as a guide. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 11:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Saving Articles

    To whoever it may concern.

    I registered at Wikipedia because I find it the most useful encyclopedia ever. I would like to know if there is the possibilty to save articles and create a list of articles I read.

    Thank you for your help.

    Sarah Ferracini - Lily13sh Lily13sh 12:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It's not entirely obvious what you mean by 'save articles'; if you want to keep track of which articles you've read and changes to them, you could try using your watchlist. Although designed to track changes to a selection of pages and discussions about them, you can also use it as a list of pages you've read; click on 'watch' at the top of a page to watch it, and 'my watchlist' to see changes to articles on your watchlist. Hope that helps! --ais523 12:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Since you registered an account, you can use the "watch this page" feature to put an article on your watch list. As for saving articles, your browser undoubtedly has a save option in the file menu. - Mgm|(talk) 12:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Small Town notability.

    I have a question regarding the notability of small towns. Browsing and fixing/speedying new pages, i often notice people creating articles on small towns, often from one specific area, that contain little to almost no content. An example being in progress right now are the articles done by this user. Now, do these article deserve to be on wikipedia? They offer zero information, however, i have heard people saying before that real places are notable enough by default. Could someone give me a heads-up? Thank you. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 13:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Real towns, villages and major city districts and other such communities or places are generally considered inherently notable, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes for more. As for those specific articles, I think that even a short definition is better than nothing. Hopefully the articles will be expanded later. --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I doubt that. I've seen people create dozens of articles like that a couple of times before, and they were always left like that. However, thanks for the link, my question has been answered, now i know. Thank you. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 13:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • There's a bot that creates town articles for American census data for every city/town/village in the States. This precedent would strongly imply all towns are notable. WilyD 14:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, I consider towns inherently notable, but I would recommend against writing an article unless you can write one or two paragraphs. - Mgm|(talk) 19:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Since the mentioned bot did create an article on all of the populated places in the US, we would encourage the creation of articles about towns in other countries. Please try to provide reliable sources for any information you include, though. Corvus cornix 21:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Font renderings

    Special characters sometimes don't render correctly in my browser. I'm running the most recent version of Firefox on Mac OS X. The most obvious current examples of incorrect characters appear in articles concerning playing cards—I can't see any suits. See Clubs (suit) for a good example. — atchius (msg) 14:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Check to see if you have a font installed with the characters in; it's quite possible that you can't see the characters because your computer doesn't have an appropriate font. --ais523 15:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    Thanks, I found out that my chosen typeface (for websites which don't specify one) didn't include the characters—I really quite like Optima though, so I think I'll stick with this. — atchius (msg) 15:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    NGWA

    I have searched high and low but I am unable to find the answer :( I have attempted to post a page about our orginization under Category:Hydrology_organizations which was successful. The only problem is the "user: in front of the NGWA. How do I list the page under NGWA so that is appears under the "N's" and not "U" Thank you for your help Ngwa 14:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, if the user page User:Ngwa is meant to be an encyclopedia article, it should be moved to the title NGWA in the main namespace. I will do the move now. --KFP (talk | contribs) 14:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You have placed the article on your User page. For help on starting an article in the article space, see Help:Starting a new page. But first, you might want to see if your organization is notable enough. Dismas|(talk) 14:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for your help —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ngwa (talk • contribs).

    Image removal

    How do I remove an image I uploaded —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chevettev6 (talk • contribs).

    • Generically you can't - when you upload an image you license it for use under [{GDFL]] or (in your case) you released it into the public domain, so you no longer "own" it. WilyD 15:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you have a good reason, you can place {{db-author}} on its image description page (you should be able to find the image description page in Special:Contributions/Chevettev6) to request that an administrator deletes the image. (You might want to explain your reasoning in your edit summary.) --ais523 15:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

    Sunrise Senior Living - "Financial Controversy" Section

    March 19, 2007

    Dear Wikipedia Editors:

    My name is Jamison Gosselin and I am director of Corporate Communications for Sunrise Senior Living. I'd like to express a concern with you about a article addition made to the Sunrise Senior Living entry on February 7, 2007 by an unknown source. Sadly, I believe it violates the founding principles of Wikipedia and many of your rules. It offers biased, innaccurate and unattributed information. We believe this entry is part of a bag of tactics a labor union is using to misinform the public -- far from the purpose of an encyclopedia.

    I'd like to take this opportunity to point out issues with the posting and how it violates your rules related to attribution and unbiased sourcing. It also clearly violates your policy related to conflicts of interest related to campaigning and citing oneself.

    1) Financial Controversy - I've been here four years and am not aware of any financial controversy. One union organization with 500 shares of stock in Sunrise (we have millions of shares) sent us a letter in November asking us to look into our stock option grants and insider trade practices. We are currently doing that. There is no controversy.

    2)The Times and Post do cover Sunrise because we are a publicly trade company -- but I am not aware of any articles that go into the depth of information provided in the next few sections.

    3) These paragraphs are not written in an unbiased way and these matters are all evolving. None of the information in this section has been verified and frankly, I'm not sure where the submitting party got the information.

    4) Questionable Accounting Practices - The review is being performed by Sunrise and was initiated by us. I'll spare you the many details to this item, but the information provided by the poster is full of generalizations and misleading statements. The consequences when all is said and done are not serious.

    5) Stock Option Grants - Again, I'm not sure where they got this information from or where the poster can say "grants appear fortuitously timed." Again, this is biased information and unattributed information.

    6) Related Links - www.sunriseshareholders.org. This "organization" is actually operated by the labor union that has launched a broad campaign against Sunrise and only represent the labor union. It is not some vast shareholder organization -- most of our shareholders are institutional banks, mutual funds and the founders of the company.

    We ask that Wikipedia consider our information and then remove the portions of the Sunrise article posted on February 7, 2007. I have a lot of respect for the philosophy and structure of Wikipedia. It is a shame people would rather treat it as a campaign blog or salacious tabloid. An encylopedia should provide attributed and unbiased information and not be used as a weapon by groups determined to destroy a others.

    I can be found as username QualityLife123 or feel free to contact me at (email removed to protect you from email-harvesting spammers). I look forward to your thoughts on this matter.

    Sincerely, Jamison Gosselin Director, Corporate Communications Sunrise Senior Living —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QualityLife123 (talk • contribs) 15:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    I've tagged the article {{NPOV-section}} as an immediate response; I suspect people are looking in to it now. The entire section was added by an anonymous user, Special:Contributions/68.72.114.229, which looks suspicious; the section was blanked without a reason and then restored by vandalism patrollers. One big worry here is that the article (and section) isn't sourced; if you know some sources from outside the company (if you have a link to the relevant newspaper articles, for instance), that will help to set the matter straight. As it is, the amount of unsourced information in the article is worrying, and I'm not entirely sure that the article at present contains much useful information at all; you seem to have added most of the text to a section in a way that brings up conflict of interest concerns, and the IP seems to be even more biased the other way. (In fact, I'm wondering at the moment whether the article would be more useful as a stub than it is at the moment.) Do any other Help Desk responders have an idea as to what to do about this? --ais523 16:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    I have deleted the whole Financial Controversy section as it has zero references and likely breaks WP:BLP by suggesting directors of financial malpractice. Diff = [4]. Cheers Lethaniol 16:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)
    I'm not going to revert the deletion because of the lack of references and the violation of WP:BLP.
    However, although I don't have time to dig into the details this morning, a quick Google search on the terms "Sunrise Assisted Living insider stock sales" suggests that there is plenty of fire behind the smoke. Someone should follow up on this and provide citations for those facts that can be backed up by reliable sources and remove anything that cannot be verified. --Richard 16:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It would be nice if someone who knew more about the subject area would find a source for anything in the entire article, in fact. The section blanking was needed without sources, though. (This discussion should probably be on the article's talk page Talk:Sunrise Senior Living.) --ais523 16:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
    (editconfict)I totally agree with this - but the citations are a must otherwise WP:BLP issues are massive (and still). Please note I will cut and paste this discussion to the article's talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 16:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyright issue

    Hello, because I am new in the world of Wikipedia, I would like to ask you for the copyright issue about the uploaded images. Specifically, I uploaded an image which is mine, I mean that I shooted the image from my digital camera and at the stage of uploading I chose the option Own work, copyleft, multi-lisence e.t.c. I would like to know If I chose the appropriate copyright. A user tried to help me by mentioning the links with the tags but I finally didn't found a way to solve the problem . Thank you. Curunvir 16:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Since you took the image, you choose the copyright; it's alright like that. · AO Talk 16:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless it was a picture of a copyrighted work (like a painting, poster, book, CD cover, film or software on screen etc.) Notinasnaid 16:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Assuming that you do own the copyright for the picture (likely in most cases), make sure you choose a copyright licence that Wikipedia can use; anything in the section under 'self-made licences' is fine (make sure you're willing to release the image under such a licence before you upload it, though). --ais523 16:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

    What exactly is the purpose

    of the interwiki "links" on pages? They don't seem to show up on the articles themselves (which is why I put "links" in quotes), and if I want to access them, it seems I have to view the article source. Am I not looking hard enough? -- Lenoxus 16:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:Interlanguage links. Check out the left navbar, at the bottom ;). -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    And here I was assuming those only linked to the main pages. *slaps forehead* — Lenoxus " * " 00:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Problem editing Stefan LeFors

    I am trying to edit Stefan LeFors' profile. and the Personal is too long, it stretches outside the box. maybe you can fix that. and also on the Teams list. I tried to put 2007 for Edmonton Eskimos. It put 2007 for Carolina, So i tried again, same thing. perhaps i'm not good at this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LSUBaseballGod82 (talk • contribs)

    • You had a space as the first character of a line which causes the box to appear. I've fixed it. Also, not that comments like "He loves his family very much" are not encyclopedic and violate the WP:NPOV policy. - Mgm|(talk) 19:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Doubt on linking to other languages

    Hope this is the right place to ask this. I just wxpanded an article on Gastroschisis and then translated it and put it in spanish. How can I link the Spanish page in "other languages" in the English page and vice versa? Thank sou! Tibushi 18:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Place a [[en:name of article in English]] at the bottom of the Spanish page, and [[es:name of article in Spanish]] at the bottom of the English page. See Wikipedia:Interlanguage links for more information. --ais523 18:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

    Dear Wikipedia

    Dear Wikipedia,

    It's just natural for me to write a complaint to some company or person who has done something terribly wrong. Wikpedia had unaccurate information on Demond Tutu and many other topics. So, thanks to you, Wikipedia, I got a C on my thirty-three page report for "Use of un-accurate text." Thanks a lot. I went from an 97.46% in History, to a 76.89%. I can't get bad grades, I'm in eleventh grade, not first. Grades matter. When I apply for Harvard, or one of my other colleges I want to attend, they can't see a C, they have to see my straight A's that you've ruined.


    Sincerely, Person who has no future in careers because of Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.122.40 (talk) 07:30, 20 March 2007

    And that is why you don't just use Wikipedia as a source, but get information from other sources as well. Veinor (talk to me) 20:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Whilst I'm pretty sure this isn't real, see Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia for why Wikipedia shouldn't be relied on as an academic reference. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 20:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If this is genuine, he/she is blaming an openly editable website for a shortcoming that arose largely from their own laziness.... Oh boy. Adrian M. H. 20:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, in fact, the irony is that the fault is entirely his/her own - any intelligent student would know not to rely on only a single source, particularly one off the internet. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 21:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you cannot recognize that an encyclopedia is not a source itself, only a summarization of external sources to make it easier to find general information and to start looking for research, then I doubt you would get into Harvard anyway. Don't blame the community for laziness, especially when it is beaten over the head not to use Wikipedia as a source in itself. -Wooty Woot? contribs 22:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Volunteers

    Are all of the Wikipedia contributors considered volunteers of the Wikimedia Foundation? Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 20:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I believe that they are considered to be unrelated to the Wikimedia Foundation; using Microsoft Windows doesn't mean you're a Microsoft volunteer. But don't quote me on that. Veinor (talk to me) 20:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Out of nothing but the utmost humility, I wouldn't make the comparison quite that extreme — we are certainly "helping" Wikipedia, whereas everyday Windows users don't write any of the software/instructions. It's more like being a gnome, or something. — Lenoxus " * " 00:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    There are a very few editors who are Wikimedia Foundation employees. User:Danny is one. Corvus cornix 21:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Need help copy-editing the next lesson for the Virtual classroom

    The next lesson for the Virtual classroom goes live on Wednesday, and we need proofreaders/copy-editors to help get it ready. Time is running out. Please help...

    Fighting link spam.

    If you are good at grammar, and explaining things so they are easy to understand, then we really need your help. Thank you. The Transhumanist   20:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I was copy-editing it just now, but got an edit conflict. I had made too many changes to redo them, but I'd be happy to contribute to your work in the future. Adrian M. H. 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I see a Dangling modifier in User:The Transhumanist/Virtual classroom/Yuser, on fighting link spam#Spambots. I will fix it now. --Teratornis 22:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating an article

    I just created an account and I am wondering, how do you create an article? Please help me out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alien joe (talk • contribs) 20:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    First, search for the name to make sure the article doesn't already exist under a different name. If there isn't one, Type the name you want in the search box and click "Go." Then click "create this page." However I strongly suggest you read up on some guidelines and help first like WP:N, Help:Starting a new page, WP:EDIT, and WP:CSD to make sure your article is appropriate for Wikipedia. Most new articles, especailly by new users are quickly deleted. That is why I suggest reading up on guidelines/policy and getting editing experience first, to know what is appropriate and how to write it (because a poorly written article is more likely to be deleted than a well written one). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Starting a new page. For more information on contributing to Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:Introduction, Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia, and Wikipedia:Tutorial. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 21:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It's also good to read: Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? before creating an article, rather than being shocked when it happens, and then wondering why. For some reason, it's almost a cliché that many new editors create new articles very early in their learning experience (hey, that's what I did too), and that approach has a rather low probability of success, given the complexity of Wikipedia's editing rules and the diligence of Wikipedia's legion of deletionists. Before starting a new article, it's good to try editing some existing articles. Also carefully check the List of wikis and search WikiIndex to see if another wiki is more suitable for the article you have in mind. Wikipedia has stricter editorial policies than many other wikis and is often not the most appropriate or welcoming wiki for a brand-new editor's first attempt to create an article. But when in doubt, just try it, and see what happens. --Teratornis 22:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Underline code in title?

    Please see this re [[Xá:ytem]] / Xá:ytem.Skookum1 21:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Try 
    {{wrongtitle|title=Correct title}}
    and see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thx!! I'll try it. Just in case you're wondering, such titles as the one I'm creating are becoming a standard part of Canadian English because of the role of First Nations organizations and agencies as well as bands/tribal councils with "diacriticalized" names; see where Skwxwu7mesh and St'at'imc redirect to, for instance. [[Xá:ytem]] is an archaeological site 50 miles east of Vancouver BC dating to 5000BP and 9000BP; the word is the name of "the rock" in the local language (Upriver Halkomelem/Halqemeylem]) the rock, which is the centrepiece of the dig and which triggered it off, originally had an English style name based on the agricultural-suburban locality it was located at but which, though native, was wildly wrong (it - [[Hatzic, British Columbia|Hatzic]] - unfortunately means male genitalia in Halkomelem, a reference to a paritcular root which grew there...); long story but also longer overdue given other articles already in Wikipedia that [[Xá:ytem]] get an article; but I didn't want to start one without using the official spelling as preferred even in English publications by the organization in charge of the place. Thx again.Skookum1 07:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Topic: "Socialism"

    I have added to external links: www.socialistworker.org The International Socialist Organization (I assure you, they exist). I added my signature to assure it is not a prank yet it keeps being erased. Sincerely, Camilo Rubinos 21:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    To which article? - Adrian M. H. 21:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You're not supposed to sign your edits to articles; see WP:OWN. Veinor (talk to me) 21:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • They might exist, but the link could still be unsuited to the article you added it to, or be considered WP:SPAM. You should discuss its addition on the article talk page. - Mgm|(talk) 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The URL you gave seems to belong to a newspaper, rather than being the official site of The International Socialist Organization. The link was added under the heading of "organisations". Again, the best thing is to talk about this on the talk page of the article; these sort of decisions should be made by consensus, since clearly the article cannot link to every web page with a socialist connection. It would be as well to familiarise yourself with the guidelines in Wikipedia:External links so you can argue from a position of knowledge. Notinasnaid 22:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Trial Transcripts

    Depending on copyright issues and a couple other factors, I'm considering converting the Julie Amero Trial Transcript from the current format (41 PDFs each containing a handful of image scans of individual pages) to a more convenient format (straight text?). If I do so, I'm considering publishing the results on a WikiMedia Foundation project. It's not clear to me where it belongs. Wikipedia? WikiCommons? No WMF project? love, raiph 21:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Assuming you can iron out copyright issues, I'd say the most suitable place is Wikisource. - Mgm|(talk) 21:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for the reply and its speed. I'll go to WikiSource. love, raiph 22:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    adding my company web page as an external link

    Hi there...

    Am I allowed to add a company as an external link? E.g., I want to put an URL under the "external links" section for "Uninterruptible Power Supply". You already have links there for some vendors, so I am wondering how they got there, and how I can put our company URL there. Can you please advize. Thanks and have a great day!

    Stephen —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Strimac (talk • contribs) 22:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Certainly not one with which you have any association. WP:COI. If your company is notable in this field - at least comparable to existing links - someone else may well choose to add it of their own volition at some point. I would rather not see any commercial links whatsoever... See External Links for info - Adrian M. H. 22:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I took out most of the external links as they were just links to companies tha sold power supplies. External links should only be added if they contribute to the encyclopedic nature of the article. The ones I left were a site that just gave facts and a manufacturer's page that gave some general information. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    adding my company web URL to a page

    I would like to add a company webpage (as URL) to the "external links" section in you "Uninterruptible Power Supply" page. How do I do this? I noticed that you already have some external links there, so I was hoping to do the same. Please advize.Strimac 22:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Why have you asked this twice?? - Adrian M. H. 22:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I've removed the entire list of manufacturers of UPS systems, per WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not a directory. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    New Hampshire

    when was new hampshire founded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.194.153 (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2007

    This is better answered at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities - the Help Desk is for Wikipedia related questions. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 22:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It should be in the article, too. Look it up here: New Hampshire. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evilclown93 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
    See Province of New Hampshire.   The Transhumanist   04:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Logging in

    I thought I once had an account here (Choicefresh), but it says there is no such user. Are there any usernames registered to liam[dot]kirsh[at]gmail[dot]com or liamkirsh[at]yahoo[dot]com?

    24.6.221.189 23:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    That account exists, but you have no contributions on it. Am I right? Anyways, feel free to get a new account, since that one didn't edit at all, but if you rediscover Choicefresh, don't use the account and redirect the pages to your working one. The Evil Clown Please review me! 01:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    March 20

    Writing articles

    How do i write a article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.107.17.106 (talk) 00:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    See Wikipedia:How_to_start_a_page. Make sure your article meets notability requirements. -- Hdt83 | Talk 00:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    To create an article, you have to get an account. The Evil Clown Please review me! 00:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    And read Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? to see what can happen if you don't follow the rules. There are lots of rules depending on the article's subject, so you might want to tell us more about the article you want to write, and get some specific advice before starting. If you are just starting out on Wikipedia, it's better to spend some time editing existing articles before starting new ones, so you can learn how things work here. --Teratornis 13:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Would it be okay to violate the 3rr rule if it is vandalism?

    Question asked in headline.--Shindo9Hikaru 00:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The 3RR doesn't apply at all. I have "violated" like that countless times. Feel free to weed out vandalism on one page as much as you can possibly do in a day. Cheers! The Evil Clown Please review me! 01:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • As long as it is clearly vandalism as per Wikipedia:Vandalism, the 3RR doesn't apply. - Mgm|(talk) 08:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • And just to emphasise the point more: vandalism would be things like adding "poop" or changing the day Christmas falls on to 25 June. It does not apply to sincere edits made by editors who seem to believe what they write, even if they are completely misinformed; this is a content dispute, and should be reverted only once before moving to discussion on the talk page. Notinasnaid 08:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just for reference, note that reverting vandalism on four different pages definitely doesn't violate 3RR, and in fact is somewhat encouraged (this came up in a helpme once). --ais523 13:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    What?

    What kind of bennifits/rewards do i get for creating an acount?
    Thebeast2029. I've welcomed you on your talk. The benefits are many; rewards are few, except adminship, Barnstars, and after roughly 20000-50000 Jimbo Wales might give you a job at Wikia. Or maybe not. Have fun! The Evil Clown Please review me! 01:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    You get to be one of us! Users with accounts get more controls to play with, greater editing access, etc. The Transhumanist   04:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    See our article Wikipedia:Why create an account? Harryboyles 07:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Lemuel H. Wells

    The article on Lemuel H. Wells contains a factual error of geography. It locates the city of Tacoma, Washington in the wrong part of the state. I attempted to edit it by changing the one incorrect word. I saw the change made, and I wrote a very brief explanation of what I did in the space for doing that; however, when I opened up the article, my correction had not been made. I closed my browser and reopened it and went to the article again. It still doesn't reflect my correction. I have looked over all the help sections---most of which are too complicated for this 79 year old geezer to understand---but I couldn't find any info on what else I could do to make the correction stick. 24.19.92.118 01:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)William J. Erickson, Tacoma, Washington[reply]

    I think I changed it back correctly (Eastern to Western Washingotn). Let me know if anything else is wrong. Thanks. -- Hdt83 | Talk 01:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well done to you for having a go at it. Don't let one glitch put you off, either. Too many people simply post here expecting someone else to make the edit, so it is nice to see keen contributors. Adrian M. H. 18:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Source no longer exists

    What is an online source no longer exists, what is the correct way to modify an article? For example, if a newspaper article is no longer online. Thanks, CoolGuy 01:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Cite the physical publication. See Wikipedia:Citing sources.
    Hope that helps. The Transhumanist   04:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    What article are you referring to? What reference no longer exists? (drop me a note on my talk page, to be sure I get your answer). The Transhumanist   04:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC) [reply]

    • It happens a lot. If there is a paper alternative, you should cite that. If it's an online source that went missing, you should make an effort to look for archived versions of it. - Mgm|(talk) 08:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    PDF file as a reference

    Hi, I am trying to use a linked PDF file as a reference per the normal way I add references, but when I do all the text below that reference does not show in the saved article. Is there is special way to do this? If you look at Robert Perry (yacht designer) you can see my inital article creation with the ref and then my removal of the ref due to the problem it created. Thanks! Russeasby 01:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I've fixed it for you. The reason that happened was that you forgot to close the reference with a </ref> tag. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Doh, now do I feel stupid now... thanks much! Russeasby 02:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It's an incredibly common mistake around here. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Mismatched tags and/or delimiters are routine user mistakes in every programming language or markup language that uses tags and/or delimiters - all programmers make them. Well-designed programming tools account for this ergonomic reality. MediaWiki should be able to detect the lack of closing tags, and display a warning. Russeasby should not feel stupid; the lack of any warning for this common mistake is an ergonomic design flaw in the system. MediaWiki needs its own lint. I added that suggestion to m:MediaWiki Ideal. --Teratornis 14:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Audio Files

    Guys I have a question: Is there a policy on how to use the audio samples? cuz i have tons of files that could be used for audio samples (in OGG, 64 Kbps like 20 or 30 seconds bla bla bla) in music (for example, Helicopter) but idk whats the policy about it. so, can I start uploading them or there is a problem?--ometzit<col> 02:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    All the information is at Wikipedia:Music samples. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Redundant fair use images

    Ello, just a quick query as I can't seem to find my way to the right tag/template page... I've just replaced a fair-use image with one of my own under a CC licence. Is there an appropriate speedy delete tag I can apply to the (now redundant) copyrighted image as its fair use rationale (not great to start with) is now invalid? The image in question is Image:TomQ.jpg. Cheers, --YFB ¿ 02:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I believe you just add this tag to the image: {{subst:rfu}}. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 02:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    A List I'm Working On

    I'm trying to determine if this list is worth moving out of my user space, or if it's too "list-crufty" (I tried to restrict it to people deemed notable enough for their own Wikipedia article) - and is this the right forum to be asking that sort of question? I couldn't find a more appropriate one. Thanks for any comments you can offer! JavaTenor 05:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Per notablility. Yes. Just list the list on mainspace and label it as a stub. Real96 05:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, it's stubby but if you drop in some sources, I think this could live in the article space. - Mgm|(talk) 08:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Gite (game)

    I believe there used to be an article at Gite (game), but it has disappeared entirely, and there doesn't seem to be an AfD. What happened to it, or am I just mistaken? zafiroblue05 | Talk 06:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    If you check the logs here, you'll find that it was deleted using the proposed deletion process. Harryboyles 07:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    a problem I've been having with the "Canadian Music Week" wiki entry

    Hi, I seem to be having a problem with someone erasing the information I've been posting about "Canadian Music Week". I have been posting correct information, removing dead links, and adding a few things (contributing producers, a myspace link, etc..) that are 100% true, and with content that i'm authorised to use. A certain user keeps deleting what I've been posting and it's becoming frustrating since I don't have time to repost it every day. If you look in the history of the page, you'll see what I've posted, and what he/she has removed. I've also posted the following on the person in question's (folajimi) "talk" page:


        • Start of my Folajimi "Talk" post

    Who are you? and why do you keep editing the Canadian Music Week Wiki entry with wrong info? the links you are restoring are dead, the info regarding the "Silver Jubilee (or 25th anniversary) of the creation of the Canadian Federation of Music Teachers' Associations (CMFTA" has absolutely nothing to do with Canadian Music Week. The CMFTA may have been a sponsor once uppon a time (not sure), but they have nothing to do with what CMW is today. Before you edit a page, do everyone a favour and make sure the info you're fighting to put on there is valid. I also posted the CMW MySpace page, is there a reason why you deleted this link? Don't let your feelings get the best of you, the information you posted is wrong, lay your bruised ego to rest and just let the truth flow. All of the information I posted is valid and true, this is the second time you've deleted it, and I'll have to report you if you do it a third time. Furthermore: Canada Music Week is the event you're posting. Canadian Music Week is a different event. You're posting a history of "Canada Music Week" in the "Canadian Music Week" wiki. They are two different events, and should not be confused. If you want, go make yourself a new "Canada Music Week" Jubilee Wiki. *Canadian* Music Week began in 1981, and celebrated it's 25th year this past March 7-10.

        • End of my Folajimi "Talk" post


    I sincerely hope you can help me rectify this problem, thank you, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aross5150 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s">.[reply]

    While the sitation is annoying, I know, I think you have overstepped the normal bounds of politeness in your message. Please see Wikipedia:Assume good faith, Wikipedia:No personal attacks, and Wikipedia:Be civil. Starting discussion is the right thing to do. Reposting every day without discussion, and using threats "I'll have to report you" rather than open discussion is wrong. You are also posting without an edit summary: this is not a good idea, the edit summary is used to explain why you have made changes. In Wikipedia you don't just have to be right, you have to politely convince the other editors of a page that you are right, and come to a consensus. My recommendation is to post on the article talk page, as this is about the article, not about its editors.
    Finally, two more points. You will need to write in a much more neutral style. Text like "The 25th edition of the Canadian Music Week Conference kicked off with a visionary look at the future" will be removed by any experienced editor as not meeting the requirements of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. And, another reason your edits will be immediately removed by experienced editors is that they are copied directly from http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=107567842. You must not use copyrighted material on Wikipedia, and even if you have permission, it is so complicated to record it that it is always better to rewrite.
    I hope this helps you to see a bit more about how Wikipedia works, and wish you a long and productive editing career. Notinasnaid 08:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    A sentence such as: "The 25th edition of the Canadian Music Week Conference kicked off with a visionary look at the future" should cause us all to fear the peacock. --Teratornis 14:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Usually, I avoid participating in these sort of discussions, but given that I was invited to chime in, I will. Considering the insightful replies already proffered by others (and the tempered edits made to the article in question), I will only address the outstanding issue of links to questionable external sites.
    Upon reviewing the edits by the plaintiff here (with Hanlon's razor in mind), I conclude that there was no malicious intent. However, adding links to social networking sites is ill-advised; although it has been argued that certain links be permitted on a case-by-case basis. I doubt that this link qualifies for such an exemption. --Cheers, Folajimi (leave a note) 14:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    how to unlock effects

    i need to know about the bonus effects i got with my pinnacale studio soft ware, which i am not able to unlock. so, please help me out about this matter. i also want to know about the daboule video layer. my software ver. is pinnacle studio 9.

    I willl be glade if you repaly as soon a spossible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.93.198.22 (talk) 07:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    I think you must have the wrong site. If you have problems with software you have purchased, you should contact the maker of the software. This page is for problems with Wikipedia. Good luck, Notinasnaid 08:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    meteorological observations

    Explain the characteristics of the synoptic scale weather systems in the south west pacific from 5th march to 11th march 2007? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weleilakeba (talk • contribs) 07:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Isn't that your homework? Notinasnaid 08:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're more likely to get an answer if you tell us why you want to know, say 'please' and ask in the right place on the reference desk. - 131.211.210.11 08:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    numbers on my watchlist

    There are negative and positive numbers in parentheses on "my watchlist." What do these numbers mean? Kdammers 09:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The number of characters added or removed from the article. It helps to see large scale vandalism. For instance if an entire section is removed the count may be in the thousands. Dismas|(talk) 09:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Unfair

    I was banned cus my username was 'BongHits4Jesus' WHY? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BannedFromWikipediaDueToUsernameNotVandalism (talk • contribs) 10:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    As someone said on your talk page, your current choice is very counter-productive. Other editors are less likely to act positively toward you and assume good faith. Adrian M. H. 19:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    changing user name

    hi, i've just registered... and made a small error... how do i go about changing my user name from Harold nono to harold nono? can you help? thanks, harold —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harold nono (talk • contribs) 10:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Go to WP:USURP and file a request there. Cheers! Real96 10:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Due to technical restrictions, the first letter of your username is capitalized automatically. So your username will remain the same, but you can change what people will see on your userpage by editing User:Harold nono and inserting {{lowercase}}. HTH ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    HMS Prince Regent

    Hello,

    I checked various FAQ sections before asking ... I'm new to Wiki and just created an article "HMS Prince Regent". Using this exact spelling it doesn't show up on searches, as if it doesn't exist. What have I or am I doing wrong?

    Navy_Board 10:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Your article is at HMS Prince Regent. See WP:PURGE ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If you refer to clicking "Search" below the search box, then it takes some time before the search index is updated. Currently it only shows 3 older articles (which you could link to the new one). PrimeHunter 12:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You should join WikiProject Ships if you have not already, and follow their guidelines for ship articles. See HMS Victory for a well-developed example. You should mark your article with the applicable stub type, and add an infobox. Place the WikiProject Ships banner template on Talk:HTML Prince Regent. Also, be sure to use the term wiki correctly. Wikipedia is but one of many wikis. "Wiki" as a proper noun refers to the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb. --Teratornis 18:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Translation = 'in other languages'

    I have been unable to find any documentation on cross-linking articles between *.wikipedia.org sites, i.e on the meaning of the 'in other languages' column on the (LTR) left side of a page. I am interested, for example, in whether articles so linked are intended to be equivalent, and if so how they are to be kept in step as they evolve, or whether only their titles are meant to be equivalent.
    Could somebody please point me in the right direction?
    Thank you!
    -- 86.7.17.120 12:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • No, the articles linked to in other languages are merely supposed to be about the same subject. Since each language Wikipedia has different editors and works independantly it's impossible to keep them equivalent. If you want to help translate articles, please see Wikipedia:Translations. - Mgm|(talk) 12:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    With embarrassment i now see that my question was effectively answered (Wikipedia:Interlanguage_links) only yesterday (since i last checked). Sorry about that, and thanks!
    -- 86.7.17.120 13:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Nexon Company Article is Advertising

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexon_Corporation is biased towards the company. I tried adding an NPOV tag, but it was reverted minutes later. This article may need to be locked or otherwise prevented from bias. (80.247.146.169 13:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

    The text of the NPOV tag says "The neutrality of this article is disputed.

    Please see the discussion on the talk page." If you do not explain exactly how you dispute the neutrality, it is correct to remove the tag! It may be that another more specific tag would be appropriate. Notinasnaid 18:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The '|' icon

    Hello, I was just wondering how to get the | icon up. You see, I can only do it by copying and pasting it from elsewhere, but I bet there's a much simpler, easier way of doing it that I've been stupid not to have worked out. So, how do you do it?... Lradrama 13:19, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • I have a UK keyboard layout, but I can do it with SHIFT-\ SuperCoolAl 13:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Can be slightly misleading on some keyboards - it looks like a broken pipe symbol. It should be the same on US and UK keyboards although in a different position - shift-\. x42bn6 Talk 13:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    On most keyboards, it's either shift-\ or Alt Gr-` (two keys that are hardly ever used!). You can also insert it by clicking on the | in the 'Wiki markup' section in the box below the 'save page' button. --ais523 13:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    Image Permission

    If a website states specifically that anyone can use any of that site's images without explicit permission to supplement articles on Wikipedia, how should I mark that when uploading them here? Should I choose the "copyrighted" template and then explain that we have permission to use it here? Thanks. --Steevven1 (Talk) (Contribs) (Gallery) 13:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It depends on exactly what the permission says. What you've describes sounds like {{CopyrightedFreeUse}}, but I wouldn't know for certain without knowing the wording of the permission. (Don't choose a 'permission on Wikipedia only' entry; usability by other websites is important.) --ais523 14:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    Seems that the tag in question was indirectly renamed to {{PD-release}} (apparently CopyrightedFreeUse was a confusing name). --ais523 14:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Images should not be released for just Wikipedia. It should specifically release it under a free license which also allows use by others. - Mgm|(talk) 16:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • But if an image is released just for Wikipedia, and it says so on the website, can we use it, and if so, how do I mark it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steevven1 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
        • Wikipedia content can be copied and placed elsewhere, if the requirements of the GFDL license are met. We cannot guarantee that an image will only appear on Wikipedia. Corvus cornix 21:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Talk page blanking after edits

    On two separate occassions, edits to Wikipedia talk:Railway line template have resulted in large parts of the discussion being blanked. See edit 1 and edit 2. The first edit was by me, and I assumed I'd just done something stupid, so reverted it. The second was by User:HandigeHarry, who assures me it wasn't deliberate (and I have no reason to doubt him). Could there be any reason for this? – Tivedshambo (talk) 13:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It could be that you were editing an older revision of the page without realising it, and reverting by mistake. --ais523 14:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    I'd wondered that as well, but I'd done a preview and it seemed ok, also the message I was trying to add wasn't there. – Tivedshambo (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe it's a server glitch? There have been some weird things happening recently in this respect. You might want to ask on the technical village pump. --ais523 15:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    Remarkable: On both occasions the resulting page was exactly the same. HandigeHarry 15:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Something like this happened a couple weeks ago. It was determined to be a server glitch (I think). I believe it had to do with the slave databases servers not being up to date with the masters, so edit pages were editing the wrong version, which accidentally reverted recent changes. There were a couple discussions on WP:VPT about it. They are probably archived now if you want to take a look. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Username Misplaced in Categories

    I notice that when I click on Categories from my User page that my username invariably turns up under U. My username begins with an S. Why is this? Soulstrial 15:08, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    By default, adding a page to a category alphabetises it under the name of the page; this is U for User:Soulstrial. To alphabetise your page under S, write {{DEFAULTSORT:Soulstrial}} at the top of the page, to tell the softwhere where the page should be sorted. Hope that helps! --ais523 15:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    Thank you! Soulstrial 15:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Or you can pipe the category link if you prefer: [[Category:Users who belong to categories|Soulstrial]]. This will drop it in under S. - Adrian M. H. 16:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    reporting vandalism?

    i removed some obvious vandalism from this aricle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bacterial_vaginosis

    does this need to be reported somewhere? does the page get locked? should i track that user for vandalism to other pages? where does my responsiblity end? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fullofstrangeideas (talk • contribs) 15:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    You've done all that's necessary. Thanks for your help. If you want to do more, you can learn how at WP:RCP. Cheers!-- Chaser - T 15:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    The place to report vandalism is called WP:AIV there you just give a brief summary of the user and someone will come and block them. Retiono Virginian 16:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Expanding the comment by Retiono Virginian, you have to have made sure the user has received proper warnings and has vandalised after his fourth warning, then you can report them to AIV to ensure a temporary (sometimes indefinite depending on the circumstances) block.Tellyaddict 16:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    New messages woe

    Instead of the bright orange box displaying you have new messages, is there a way I can have the background of the "my talk" link to flash yellow?
    - the one between the userspace & my preferences links - -- Darkest Hour 16:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    No, unfortunately their is not, if you see the banner informing you that you have new messages then once you click it and go to another page afterwards (hopefulyl after reading it!) then it will go away but that is the only way it can appear. Hope this helps!! Tellyaddict 16:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Its almost certain possible, but you'd have to write a monospace.js hack to do it. —Dark•Shikari[T] 16:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know that but I am wondering how i woud code it. If I could find the location of the messagebar and something having to do with the links up top I might possibly be able to do it. Right now I have a css "hack" that supresses it. See: here. -- Darkest Hour 16:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
      You might want to put a request in at Wikipedia:WikiProject user scripts for someone to write a script like that. --ais523 16:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    Assuming the box has a unique ID, it wouldn't be too much of a big deal to use:
    position:absolute;
width:50%;
right:0px;
background:yellow;
color:yellow;
z-index:1;
height:1em;
overflow: -- whatever the "cut it off" attribute is, I forget --
    Then, ensure all your menu has a higher z-index and you'll get a yellow background up there. --Kainaw (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Putting a photo on a page

    I've been reading and experimenting for 3 hours but I can't seem to figure this one out. I would like to add a photo to a page. How do I do it? Thanks in advance for any help.Laura SA 17:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    First you have to upload the photo, then add it to an article. You first need to make sure that the copyright conditions are appropriate. If you've taken the photo yourself, and there's no reason why someone else might hold the copyright, then you can release the photo under a free use licence yourself by selecting a licence under 'self made' in the licence box. Use Special:Upload to upload the image and see Wikipedia:Image tutorial to see how to add it to an article. Hope that helps! --ais523 17:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    Yikes, my photo came out a bit big, but it's up and working! Thanks for your prompt assistance! Laura SA 17:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Reduce the pixel value in your image link. I tend to go for between 200 and 250, depending on paragraph size and image quality/detail. Adrian M. H. 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Login will not hold (yes, I read the FAQ)

    My login simply will not hold. Cookies are enabled (always have been on both broswers IE and/or Firefox) I have set up my account (DanBlanchard) and confirmed my email address. BUT no matter how many times I log in , log out, clear my cookies and cache, stand on my head while reading my computer the riot act... It will NOT recognize me as being looged in (with the noteable exception of the login in page that welcomes me warmly and assures me I have just successfully logged in.)

    Oh, while I AM a newbie editor, I have been a prof. web developer for about 12 years now... so, not my first time using a browser. 67.142.130.39 18:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Try using a different browser? Veinor (talk to me) 18:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I have tried two, Firefox and IE. They hold separate cookies... niether works, Just tried other puters on my local net, same problem, then terminal svcd to a remote computer off my net, it logged in fine and held my session... SO this leads me to:

    Has anyone ever reported a problem using a Hughes Satellite connection with Wiki? I have had other sites/services that don't work with the Satellite (LONG ping times). But these are usually things like cgi chat routines and not simple website session cookies 67.142.130.39 18:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you very much Zman! That DID INDEED WORK! It IS slow... but it gets the job done. 67.142.130.39 19:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Blocked IP for vandalism

    when an unregistered user on an IP address vandalizes a page, the IP gets blocked for an ammount of time. I've noticed that the time gets longer each time an address is blocked. my question is: does wikipedia permanently block an IP address after several occurrences of vandalism?

    IP addresses are never indefinitely blocked unless we have proof that they are open proxies. Veinor (talk to me) 18:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    IP addresses are often reassigned to different people so an indefinite block could affect more than the intended target. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Book: "The Hole In the Fence"

    The Canadian Health Minister of National Health and Welfare published a book titled "The Hole In the Fence" sometime during the 1970s or 1980s. I used this book when I formerly worked as a prevention specialist in the drug and alcohol field years ago. I would now like to purchase a copy, if it's at all possible. How would I obtain this information? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Ned Strauser Counselor Corning Community College Corning, NY 14830 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.66.10.30 (talk) 18:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Please ask your question on the Reference Desk. This Help page is about how to use Wikipedia. Adrian M. H. 19:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyvio? Can someone double check

    From a brief glance at 702 (band), I'd say most of it is a copyvio of http://ca.askmen.com/women/singer_150/173c_702.html -- would this be true? -- Zanimum 19:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It doesn't appear to be a direct copy and paste (though I would guess it was at some point) For example:
    • "In Nevada, sisters LeMisha and Irish Grinstead, and their friend Kameelah Williams, were students at a Las Vegas school." (from the Wikipedia article)
    • The "AskMen" article begins with "In their hometown of Las Vegas, Nevada" and ends with "were living a normal teenage life."
    I would still suggest cleaning it up a little as it still sounds like a review. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    This revision from October 2006 is the initial copyvio. It appears to be a direct copy and paste of the "AskMen" article following "Nevada." Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    That likely means the whole thing has to be deleted and restarted, unfortunately. —Dark•Shikari[T] 21:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Or at least reverted to an earlier revision (unless someone wants to rewrite what is currently there sometime very soon). Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 21:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Incorrect Links

    Dear Helpdesk.

    How do I redirect a link to a disambiguation page, rather than an article? For instance, in the article on the musician Roy Wood, it mentions that he was briefly in a band called "The Rockers". A click onto the "Rockers" link takes you to an article about an American wrestling tag team (of which I'm reasonably sure he was not a member).

    Best regards. Linus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Linus 337 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    • There appears to be no disambiguation page on the topic; you'll probably have to create one yourself. It also appears an article on "The Rockers", the band, doesn't actually exist, so you'd have to create that too. Could also leave it as a redlink. —Dark•Shikari[T] 21:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    When merging, how do you preserve merged article's "page history"?

    I'd like to merge Fancher party into the Mountain Meadows massacre but preserve Fancher Party's page history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justmeherenow (talk • contribs) 21:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    If you are merging it, the page history is retained on the original page which should be converted to a redirect, not deleted. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Oh OK - thx! :^)

    Advertising Block

    Hello Wikipedia Team!

    I've been trying to create a neutral page about ePrize. So far, it keeps catching your advertising filter. I really don't want to break any of your rules or guidelines. Could you help me find out what I am doing wrong?

    Thank you, AlesyaO 22:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    There is no "filter" per se, just a bunch of editors who quickly review all new pages. For details, see WP:SPAM, WP:WEASEL, and WP:NPOV. Try to write neutral. Don't say things like "ABCD Corp. is the best company ever", unless you can cite a source that actually says that. Give facts about the company: founding, headquarters, products/services, etc. without using words/phrases like "the best", "top-of-the-line", "quality" (unless its about quality control), "are considered", "some say", etc. Look at the articles for similar companies for guidance. Also, make sure you have reliable sources per WP:ATT (more than just the company website, news articles are good) and the company meets the criteria at WP:CORP. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm assuming you are referring to EPrize. First, make sure you follow the guidelines in WP:MoS as a well written article always stands a better chance than a poorly written one. Also, move the awards to the bottom. The article should mainly be about facts of the company. Awards, though important to the company, are not as important to someone wanting to find out what the company is. I'll take a look at it some more and see what I can do. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I've cleaned it up a bit, however, it needs some clarification. It says it was founded in 1999, but didn't get a major investment until 2006? I tagged the relevant sentence with {{clarifyme}} which produces [clarification needed]. I also fixed the title. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Bug in Wikipedia

    • Check this out in edit mode
    [[Special:Whatlinkshere/{{BASEPAGENAMEE}}|what links here]]
    • Error in popups because of that bug
    <a class= ⋅
backlinksPreviewHTML went wonky

    -- Darkest Hour 22:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    ? Nothing breaks for me. Also, popups are not part of Mediawiki, rather a javascript addon by Lupin. Prodego talk 22:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You mean you don't see

    {{BASEPAGENAMEE}}">[[Special:Whatlinkshere/{{BASEPAGENAMEE}}|what links here]]?

    -- Darkest Hour 22:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

    I see "[[Special:Whatlinkshere/{{BASEPAGENAMEE}}|what links here]]" in a blue dotted box, and that is how it should look. Is this not what you see? Prodego talk 22:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding to a file that seems to be "closed"

    I wanted to add information to the entry for "Massachusetts." Howver, this entry seems to be "closed" for now. There are a huge number of comments about Massachusetts, but I do not understand what is going on and what I should do to add information, if it is not now being accepted. I am a retired journalist and can make a useful contribution. However, this seems very complicated. I just read a huge section on "talk" and "signatures," and it all seems confusing to me as a newcomer. I just want to be able to edit and perhaps write an article or two. I do not wish to become a full-time Wikipedia person. I would especially appreciate a reply to my question about the section on "Massachusetts." However, I do not know where I will ever find the reply! I have been instructed not to give me email address, and I will sign as instructioned (Aaayoung 22:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)). I hope I am doing the right thing. Thanks.[reply]

    Massachusetts is not, and actually has never been protected. Are you sure that you are making your edit correctly? When you click 'edit this page', you should get this page. Then click save to save your changes. Prodego talk 22:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I found the same. Again, just click, "edit this page" to edit an article. To start a new page take a look here. Good luck editing, I'm sure with your history you will be a great asset. Scottydude 22:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    It might just have been that the server's database was locked for maintenance, as happens quite frequently. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 22:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Additionally, the question you posted on Mass' discussion will either be answered below the original question or on your talk page. If you need further assistance place {{helpme}} on your userpage. Scottydude 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I found the answer. See my explanation at User talk:Aaayoung - Adrian M. H. 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Copyrights

    If a work is copyrighted in a country other than my own, can I upload it to Wikipedia? Thanks. 151.202.74.135 23:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • No, as Wikipedia is available in evry country, all copyright laws are enforced. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 23:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    My understanding is that international treaties tend to mean that a work copyrighted in one country is copyright in many others automatically. It's worth realising that in many places (including the USA, which is the most relevant since that's where all the Wikipedia servers are), copyright is automatic; it does not have to be claimed. The act of creating something, anywhere in the world, gives anyone automatic protection, whether or not they add a copyright notice. (The situation is of course more complicated than this, see the link above). Notinasnaid 08:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    cite

    when using an article how to you cite it for the bibliography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.51.245.227 (talk • contribs)

    If you mean how to cite Wikipedia in your project see: WP:CITING Scottydude 02:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Anti-Vandalism

    I'm using the Voice of All script fight vandalism. But for some reason I can't rollback pages anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hmrox (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Try Twinkle Real96 03:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    College coach infobox

    I am currently working on updating a couple 'stubs' about some college football coaches. However, I don't know how to use and edit the 'college coach infobox'.

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

    Heismanhoosier 04:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Try Help:Infobox. Real96 04:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    updating a page

    The "M.C." page of your site has no definition for comedy clubs and requests "expert" advice. I am an M.C. in comedy clubs with a Masters Degree in Sociology and would like to update it, but it is heavily protected and the sites to edit it have sent me in circles. Below is my recomended definition. It is very general and would be agreed upon by most comedians: 

    Comedy Clubs

    The M.C. (often spelled emcee) of a comedy show is the host of the evening’s events, charged with a variety of responsibilities. These typically include making announcements, introducing the other comedians of the evening, and interacting with the crowd for such events as birthdays, anniversaries, and other parties. The M.C. position is typically the first step that a comedian takes out of open mic’s, and it is known to be a tough position. The M.C. is the first comedian onstage and must ‘pick up’ a ‘cold crowd’ in order to get the audience’s energy going, and to set a humorous tone for the evening. In clubs, they often have to memorize lists of announcements concerning everything from drink specials and upcoming bands, to film and T.V. credits of the featured and headlining comedians. They are also the lowest paid comedians on the bill.

    Thanks for your time - Skip Martin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.183.10.165 (talk) 04:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    The article M.C. is not protected. So, you can edit the page, now. Real96 04:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Question (maybe a silly one, but still...)

    Just asking, because this thing is starting to get on my nerves. I'm working mainly on Tokyo Mew Mew-related articles, and often have to revert vandalism in them. Among the changes I usually have to revert are the name changes - that is, using the names from fansubs and fansites instead of the names from Tokyopop's translation, like it should be. This happens regularly - some people just randomly change the names in one or several articles, some of them return later and do it again after their changes have been reverted; and some even change the names in such way that the links to the characters' articles get broken, but they don't seem to care, and don't seem to pay attention to the comments in the articles, about using Tokyopop names. The problem is that there is no template message for such kind of edits. Just... what to write on their talk pages so that they would know why the names shouldn't be changed? Is there some page where some note about using the names from English translations is written (I think I've seen something like this, but I don't remember where...)? 夢の騎士Yume no Kishi - Talk 06:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    What do you mean by "changing the names"? Do you mean that they modify the websites links point to? Or that they intentionally make sourced information incorrect? The first one would be met by the {{spam}} series of templates, and the other one would be {{verror}}. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 06:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You can transclude more than just templates. You could simply make such a template in your userspace and use it to inform these people. - Mgm|(talk) 09:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems to be a good idea. I forgot about userspace templates, I think I'll try to make one. Thank you. 夢の騎士Yume no Kishi - Talk 11:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Lists of articles vs. articles in categories

    I think that this is kinda still up in the air. When an article "List of Foo bars" connsists of list(s) where almost all listed items have there own articles, it has been mentioned it possibly should be done instead as a category, and then including each of the articles in the category. But... I don't know about all that. Can you point me in the direction of ongoing discussions or guidelines/essays, preferably with a bias towards whatever the current consensus is? (or whether or not there is a consensus :-) Shenme 07:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • There's a lot of people who prefer the one or the other, but there's no actual concensus on this. There is a page somewhere that gives you an idea what type of lists are useful (for example, you can't annotate categories). Have a look at Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes and Wikipedia:Categories vs lists (the last one is a somewhat POV essay, so it should be taken with a grain of salt). - Mgm|(talk) 09:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Promotional image copyright

    I wanted to write an article about a guitar, specifically Epiphone's Sheraton and Sheraton II models which would include an infobox. The best pictures I could find were on Epiphone's website. These images are on the website for promotional purposes. None of the tags in the dropbox were suitable for any such image. Are promotional images found on official websites fair use? ufossuck 09:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Sadly, no. Wikipedia fair use criteria prohibit fair use claims of photographs that could be recreated under a free-license. That is, copyrighted promotional stills of the guitar are a no-go. If you were to create a free-license alternative by, say, taking a picture of the same guitar at some store, then that would be acceptable. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Speaking of which, there's a perfectly good free-license alternative right here. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (now at commons: Image:Epiphone Sheraton II.jpg ˉˉanetode╦╩ 09:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

    Would any pictures taken by random people of guitars, their's or otherwise, which they posted on the internet be fair use? And finally would pictures used on online stores, such as musiciansfriend be fair use?

    Yes, unless the photographer explicitly releases his/her work under a free license or there is verification that the photo is in the public domain. Almost all photographs found on random internet websites and online stores are not released under a free-license - they are copyrighted and replaceable. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify: Yes, you'd have to claim fair use on them; No, you can't do that on Wikipedia because of WP:FUC. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fair use is a clause in US copyright law that allows very restricted use of copyrighted material in certain cases. Whether something is posted on the internet has no bearing on its copyright status. - Mgm|(talk) 10:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a common misunderstanding that fair use is a kind of photograph or kind of copyright. It isn't: it's a way of doing things that would otherwise be a breach of copyright. For example, a reviewer of a book can quote a small section of the book for the purposes of a review. That doesn't make that quote into fair use so anyone else could put it on their web site, for example; it applies in just that case.
    In the same way, a fair use photo in Wikipedia is a photo for which a specific reason has been described in detail, why this use is fair, despite being (otherwise) copyright theft. Great care is needed, and Wikipedia tries to avoid fair use photos whenever necessary: generally using them only when the illustration is necessary and could not be got another way.
    Often an editor is so concerned to get a photo that they bend the rules, but this is not good for the encyclopedia. Wikipedia's fair use rules have been rather loosely enforced, but the signs are that we will in the end lose almost all our fair use celebrity photos, movie stills, CD and book covers etc.
    It's also worth noting that almost everything gets automatic copyright, so photos you find on the web will almost certainly be copyright, whether they say so or not. Notinasnaid 10:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I would suggest finding the guitars in somebody's possession or in a store, and taking photos yourself. That's the easiest solution. Then you can release them for Wikipedia use. Corvus cornix 21:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    problem about fales mail

    sir i am getting fales mail regarding that you have give us the prize near about 20000000 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.95.172.103 (talk) 10:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Thank you for your message. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? Notinasnaid 11:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Help!

    I have come across a new user named Frenchhog. He/she had blanked his/her talk page, which had warnings on it. I reverted his/her talk page, and warned him not to do it unless he (or she) clearing up vandalism. Frenchhog blanked it again, and I reverted it and gave him another warning. Then he/she edited my warning to make me say I'm gay. I reverted that, and now he/she has created an attack page on me. Was I doing the right thing? Please help! --LuigiManiac | Talk 13:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    No need to worry about the attack page thing anymore. It has been deleted. Still, was I doing the right thing before? Should I have backed off and let him vandalize? --LuigiManiac | Talk 16:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    It sounds like you're on solid ground in this case, but I would check WP:TALK and related pages for talk page policy (which, I guess would be more applicable than vandalism policy in this instance) Adrian M. H. 19:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I have found a little bit of info under Types of vandalism, which may help. Adrian M. H. 19:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, it was decided that removing warnings from one's own talk page is not vandalism. However, there are discussions quite often as to whether or not we should change this. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. I guess I will make sure to say sorry to him/her if he/she ever becomes active again for starting this mess. That is kind of surprising that it isn't considered vandalism to blank pages. I personally would keep any warnings on my user talk page, unless it was placed there wrongfully. Ah well, I know now so next time hopefully I can avoid getting into another mess. Thanks again! --LuigiManiac | Talk 19:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Redirecting

    How do I make something redirect? Replay7 14:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    #REDIRECT [[Foo]] will redirect to the article Foo. I recommend adding a redirect template immediately after that (on the same line). − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 15:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    How to code this...

    I need this in a drop down menu like this. I've tried but cannot get it to work for me. -- Darkest Hour 15:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

    How do I a redirect for an organization's acronym?

    I want to do a redirect for an organizations acronym which they are more known by so it redirects automatically to the full Wiki entry for it. How do I do this? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Awb9h (talk • contribs) 16:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    Create the page normally, but on it all you have to put is #REDIRECT [[OrgName]] (with Orgname being the actual article name) --Maelwys 16:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Back to Top anchor link at the bottom of this page

    It seems to have gone, but it is very useful. Can it/will it come back? Adrian M. H. 16:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Scratch that question - it has come back after my edit. Weird. Adrian M. H. 16:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    What Back to Top link? There isn't one on my screen. Dismas|(talk) 17:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Nevermind, I suddenly have one now... I swear it wasn't there a minute ago. Dismas|(talk) 17:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    And now it's gone again... Someone must be working on it. Dismas|(talk) 17:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, at least it's not just me going crazy! Adrian M. H. 17:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    How to code this...

    I need this in a drop down menu like this. I've tried but cannot get it to work for me. -- Darkest Hour 15:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

    You need css for dropdown menus. I have some in my monobook if you want to look. (userfunctions). Prodego talk 20:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


    Help Search

    How do I search for help? Renaissance Man 17:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Well if you want help, you're in the right place. Ask your question here. —Dark•Shikari[T] 17:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:Searching - Adrian M. H. 17:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia has links to articles that answer most questions a new user might have, although a new user might not know which article answers his or her question. You can search the Help desk archives and find quite a lot that way. Most questions a new user tends to ask have have been asked by new users before, although not always with the exact same wording, of course. Nonetheless, you can find a lot in the Help desk archives just by typing questions in the Google search form (with the usual techniques to expand the search when necessary, such as by removing some search words, not using quotes, and trying synonyms). Read the instructions at the top of this page for more ways to search for help. If you get stuck, ask for human help here. --Teratornis 18:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Help I have "This article or section does not adequately cite its references or sources." on my page

    So I need a little help. I have a Wikipedia page for a TV show on Directv that I love called The Fizz. I have found 8 or 10 articles about the show, from Varity, to news papers. What I don't know is how to cite the references. I'm not sure if i should quote the sites or list the links at the end of the page? Please help me,

    Greg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Love4musicandgames (talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

    WP:REF, or look at other pages that use proper refs. The footnote style is preferred, in which you would have - for an example - the page title with a hyperlink, then the name of the website, the publish date if available, and then the retrieval date. Basically, follow the templates with as many fields as you have, but you do not need to use the templates (it is much quicker and easier without them). Adrian M. H. 18:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's also Wikipedia:Citation templates, but the main thing to do would be providing the sources. If you get that template, it usually means there aren't any or they lack the detail needed for someone else to track them down. Please check the page I mentioned and see the sort of info you need to take down about a source. The most important thing is that you provide it, if you're uncomfortable with templates, someone else can do the formatting for you. - Mgm|(talk) 19:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • At the very least, give the links with a slight description of what they are in a "references" or "sources" section at the end of the article. Mr.Z-mantalk¢Review! 19:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Why Wikipedia is very frustrating to use.

    If a person wants to help and then edit, someone writes over it and then all the work you put into is changed without your input. So do free work and get nothing from it, and no say so.75.82.243.165 20:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    You shouldn't be bothered because, well, if it improves an encyclopedia then improvement is always better. Also, any edits you make to a page do not make that page your own. x42bn6 Talk 20:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    If a contributor's edits are genuinely good quality, constructive, and per guidelines, then they are almost certain to stay. If another contributor thinks that an edit is not suitable for whatever some reason - maybe it does not maintain the current style/language, or it is questionable and not verified, for example - then they may well remove it or modify it. That's how it goes. Adrian M. H. 21:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    We need to know: would this be helpful to you?

    There's a Proposal at the village pump for making the main menu easier to read.

    It would look like this:

    navigation

    We need to know, is this helpful?

    To answer this question and participate in the discussion, see Proposal: Temporary fix for main menu on the sidebar

    The Transhumanist   20:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC) [reply]

    I like that; I'll add a comment at the Pump. Adrian M. H. 21:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Where's the search? Corvus cornix 21:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    In a separate box below, as it is now. Adrian M. H. 22:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Maps

    Dear Sir,

    I would like a map of two Cities or Villages which ever term for the location would be proper and they are: Szynwald in the Woj. of Krakow but was in the Woj. of Tarnow and a map of Zdzary in the woj.Zamosc but once was the woj of Tarnow. Any questions, please ask and I will answer.

    Thank You

    Jerome Kowalski <e-mail address removed>

    You would be better off asking this at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities, as the Help Desk is for Wikipedia-related questions only. -- Chairman S. Talk Contribs 21:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Corrected wikilink for you. x42bn6 Talk 21:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Which cite template or formate to use

    If I want to make a footnote to reference the following link, which 'cite' template should I use? or what format should I put it in? File:DEA Marijuana May 2006.pdf

    Thanks,

    ChristopherMannMcKay 21:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    I prefer not to use templates, but simply structure my refs according to the relevant (or most relevant) template. Off the top of my head, I would suggest following the journal template as a guide, but your information will be dictated by what you have available (for example, a website ref will often lack a publish date). Adrian M. H. 21:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Revise that slightly: I did not notice that your ref is actually an image - I assumed from the suffix that it was a PDF document. I'm not sure that you would even use an image as a ref, though I guess it would depend on the context. How/why do you want to refer to it? Adrian M. H. 21:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    Something strange

    There something weird about the Wilhelm Volk article. It includes info about another person, but when I go to edit it, it doesn't show the second biography. Clarityfiend 21:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    You're right! How weird is that?? I have no idea how or why that has happened. Adrian M. H. 21:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Vandalism at Template:Nonfiction-writer-stub: [5] Nasty vandalism. Reverted, by the way. And purged template to force refresh over all articles. x42bn6 Talk 21:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I just came to the same conclusion. I removed the stub notice and previewed it on a hunch, and it fixed it. I have left the stub notice in place though, just in case it screws up someone else's stub sorting. Adrian M. H. 21:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    What about Oliver August? He seems to be a notable person who doesn't have an entry. Should someone add the article? Clarityfiend 21:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Why not? If he's worthy of inclusion, go for it! Adrian M. H. 22:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Just don't stick it in the template. x42bn6 Talk 22:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. Clarityfiend 22:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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