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[[Image:Feetmontage.jpg|thumb|250px|One of the Kosher requirements is having cloven [[hoof|hooves]] such as [[goat]]s (upper left), [[pig]]s (lower left) and [[cow]]s (lower right). Pigs, in spite of their cloven hooves, remain non-kosher because they lack the other kosher sign, [[Cud|cud-chewing]]. [[Horse]]s (upper right) are entirely uncloven.]]


'''Kosher foods''' are those that conform to the regulations of [[Jewish]] religion. These rules form the main aspect of ''[[kashrut]]''.
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Reasons for food being considered non-kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from non-kosher animals or from kosher animals that were not properly slaughtered, a mixture of meat and milk, wine or grape juice (and their derivatives) produced by [[gentiles]], the use of produce from [[Israel]] that has not been [[tithe | tithed]] properly, or even the use of cooking utensils and machinery which had previously been used for non-kosher food.
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==Animal Species==
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==Speedy Deletion of Dj Nebula page==


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In [[Judaism]], most of the laws of [[Kashrut]] pertain to animals. The [[Torah]] explicitly states which animals are permitted or forbidden. In regard to birds, the Torah lists no general rule is given, and instead the Deuteronomic Code and Priestly Code explicitly list the prohibited birds, using names that have uncertain translations; the list seems to mainly consist of ''[[birds of prey]]'', fish-eating water-birds, and the [[bat]] (which isn't a bird).


By contrast, for water creatures, Leviticus and Deuteronomy both give the general rule that anything residing in ''the waters'' (which Leviticus specifies as being the seas and rivers) is ritually ''clean'' if it has both [[fin]]s and [[scale (zoology)|scales]]<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:9|}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:9|}}</ref>, in contrast to anything residing in the ''waters'' with neither fins nor scales<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:10|}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:10|}}</ref>, which Leviticus calls ''filth''<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:10|}}</ref> (Hebrew: ''sheqets''). All ''flying creeping things'' were also to be considered ritually ''unclean''<ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:19|}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:20|}}</ref>, according to both Leviticus and Deuteronomy, but unlike Deuteronomy, Leviticus identifies four exceptions; the exceptions are of uncertain translation, but are clearly locusts and similar creatures, and there is a tradition upheld by Jews from Yemen about which animals constitute the ''[[kosher locusts]]''.
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With regard to land ''beasts'' (Hebrew:''Behemoth''), Deuteronomy and Leviticus both state that anything which ''[[ruminant|chews the cud]]'' and has a ''cloven hoof'' would be ritually ''clean'', but those animals which only ''chew the cud'' or only have ''cloven hooves'' would be ''unclean''<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:3-4}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:6-7}}</ref>. The texts identify four animals in particular as being unclean for this reason - the [[hare]], [[hyrax]], [[camel]], and [[pig]] - although the camel both ruminates and has two toes, while the hare and hyrax are [[coprophage]]s rather than ruminants; the latter issues have been discussed by many, including the recent book on the subject by Rabbi [[Natan Slifkin]]<ref>Natan Slifkin, ''The Camel, the Hare and the Hyrax''</ref>. Leviticus, but not deuteronomy, also states that every ''creeping thing which creeps upon the earth'' should be considered ''filthy'' (Hebrew: ''sheqets'')<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|11:41|}}</ref>.
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==Animal Parts==
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===Blood===


One of the main biblical food laws is the forbidding of eating [[blood]] on account of ''the life [being] in the blood''; this ban and reason are listed in the ''[[Noahide Laws]]''<ref>{{bibleverse||Genesis|9:4|}}</ref>, and twice in [[leviticus]]<ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|3:17|}}</ref><ref>{{bibleverse||Leviticus|17:11|}}</ref>, as well as by Deuteronomy<ref>{{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|12:16|}}</ref>.
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In order to comply with this prohibition, a number of preparation techniques became practiced within traditional Judaism. The main technique, known as ''melihah'', involves the meat being soaked in water for about half an hour, which results in the pores being opened<ref>''Jewish Encyclopedia'', ''Melihah''</ref>; after this, the meat is placed on a slanted board or in a [[wicker]] [[basket]], and is thickly covered with salt on each side, and left for between 20 minutes and 1 hour<ref>''Jewish Encyclopedia'', ''Melihah''</ref>. The salt covering draws blood from the meat by [[osmosis]], and so the salt must be subsequently removed from the meat (usually by trying to shake most of it off, and then washing the meat twice<ref>''Jewish Encyclopedia'', ''Melihah''</ref>) in order to complete the extraction of the blood.
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''Melihah'' is not sufficient to extract blood from the [[liver]], [[lungs]], [[heart]], and certain other internal organs, since they naturally contain a high density of blood, and therefore these organs are usually removed before the rest of the meat is salted; [[roasting]] on the other hand will usually cause blood to be discharged, and it is therefore the usual treatment given to these organs (if they are to be eaten at all), and it is also an alternative cooking method for the rest of the meat<ref>''Jewish Encyclopedia'', ''Melihah''</ref>.
hello, NawlinWiki. RyanLupin just approved me on the [[WP:ACC]] tool, but I need an admin to give me the flag. Would you like to do the honors? <font color="amaranth">[[User:Shapiros10|Shapiros10]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="chocolate">[[User talk:Shapiros10|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="bistre">[[Special:Contributions/Shapiros10|My work]]</font></sub> 23:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:Okay. If you're still following, first you need to be approved by another Account creator (I already was). Then, if the person who approved you isn't a sysop, you need to ask an en.wiki sysop to go into Special:userrights and check off the Accountcreator flag. Sorry if I'm bothering you. <font color="amaranth">[[User:Shapiros10|Shapiros10]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="chocolate">[[User talk:Shapiros10|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="bistre">[[Special:Contributions/Shapiros10|My work]]</font></sub> 12:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
*Nawlin it's the same as granting rollback, but (as far as I know), we're supposed to grant it based on need; i.e., the user has shown that he 1) knows how to create accounts appropriately within policy and 2) is hitting the account creation throttle on a regular basis. But, as with rollback, it's up to an admins individual discretion most of the time. In a nutshell: you only need the acc flag if you are regularly creating more than 6 accounts a day. See also [[Wikipedia:New admin school/Granting and revoking accountcreator|Granting and revoking accountcreator]]. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font><font color="#DCDCDC">cidic</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 14:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


===Groin meat===
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The [[hindquarter]]s of a mammal are not kosher unless the [[sciatic nerve]] and the fat surrounding it are removed ([[Genesis]] 32:32). This is a very time-consuming process demanding a great deal of special training, and is rarely done outside [[Israel]] where there is a greater demand for kosher meat. When it is not done the hindquarters of the animal are sold for non-kosher meat.
=== California ===


==Animal Produce==
On July 11 you changed the protection status of [[California]] but failed to update the image lock. Your edit summary reads: ''(Changed protection level for "California": allowing editing, moveprotection [move=sysop])''


[[honey|Bee honey]] is Kosher, even though bees are not, because the honey is ''made by'' the bee, not a ''secretion of'' the bee.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-palate-honey.htm |title=To Bee Or Not To Bee: A Kashrus Guide to Honey and Other Bee Derivatives |accessdate=2007-06-01 |last=Heber |first=Rabbi Dovid |work=Kashrus Kurrents |publisher=Star-K Kosher Certification}}</ref> One basis for this is that [[Israel]] is referred to in the [[Torah]] as the "Land of Milk and Honey," and it is accepted that this reference would not speak of a non-kosher entity.
I changed <nowiki>{{pp-semi-vandalism|expiry=July 27, 2008|small=yes}} to {{pp-move|small=yes}}</nowiki> to reflect the change you made. Please take some time to review your other edits and correct any similar mistakes. Thank you. [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 21:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)<small>reposted [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 01:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)</small>
:Got it, thanks. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] ([[User talk:NawlinWiki|talk]]) 21:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)<small> reposted from my talk page [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 02:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC) </small>
::If you got it, why are you still move protecting pages without adding <nowiki>{{pp-move|small=yes}}</nowiki> see [[Oil]] or not fixing your previous edits?
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::just a few of your most recent move locks posted by you [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 02:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, thought you were complaining about incorrect icon, not lack of same. I'll put them on (it'll take a while, be patient). NawlinWiki (talk) 02:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC) <small> reposted from my talk page [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 02:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)</small>
::::No problem, I fully understand that it can take some time. [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 02:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It appears that I am using the wrong template. <nowiki>{{pp-move|small=yes}} is for article disputes; {{pp-move-vandalism|small=yes}}</nowiki> is for vandalism protection. [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 03:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
*'''Sorry''' I miss lead you. I will correct the edits where you added the wrong template base on bad information I posted here. [[User:Dbiel|Dbiel]] <sup>([[User talk:Dbiel|Talk]])</sup> 03:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


== Thanks... ==
===Eggs===
Eggs from kosher birds are kosher; they are also considered ''pareve'' (neutral, neither milk nor meat). Traditionally, eggs are examined in a glass cup to ascertain that they contain no blood. Eggs containing blood in the white may be used according to [[Sephardi]] [[halakha]] if the blood can be removed, but the egg must be discarded if any blood is found on the yolk. Ashkenazim generally do not distinguish between blood in the white or on the yolk. Partially-formed eggs found inside slaughtered birds may be eaten, but they must undergo the same process of blood removal as the animal, and these eggs are considered to be ''fleishig'' (status of meat) in [[Ashkenazi]] Judaism.


=== Dairy ===
For [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAntti_pussinen&diff=225573225&oldid=225573020 this]; I was working on it and I'm a little slow still (haven't closed a lot yet). Cheers! <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">[[User:Frank|<span style="color:cyan;background:blue">&nbsp;Frank&nbsp;</span>]] {{!}} [[user_talk:Frank|<span style="color:blue;background:cyan">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Milk and milk-derived products derived from kosher animals are kosher. Milk from animals who are deemed ''treifah'' (ill or injured with those conditions mentioned in the [[Talmud]] as invalidating an animal for consumption), however, is not kosher. While the meat from such animals is similarly prohibited, milk is taken and for the most part consumed while the providing animal is still alive, whereas the meat would be consumed only after the organs (i.e. lungs) of the dead animal are examined for permissibility. This creates an objective question on the kosher status of all milk. To the rescue is the biblical law that states that majority situations trump minority ones, and since most animals do not possess a damning injury, the milk from any one animal may be consumed. [[Hershel Schachter|Rabbi Hershel Schachter]], a prominent [[rosh yeshiva]] at [[Yeshiva University]], has made the bold claim that with modern dairy farm equipment, milk from the minority of non-kosher cows is invariably mixed with that of the majority of kosher cows, thus invalidating the permissibility of consuming milk from a large dairy operation. The [[Orthodox Union]], however, released a statement declaring the milk permissible based on some leniencies.


The [[Shulchan Aruch]] (Yoreh De’ah 115:1) rules one may consume only "[[cholov yisroel]]" (חלב ישראל), or milk produced with a [[Torah]]-observant [[Jewish]] person present. Lacking proper supervision, one cannot be sure whether the milk came from a kosher animal.<ref>[http://www.ok.org/Content.asp?ID=168 OK Kosher Certification — The Making of Chalav Yisroel<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> Some recent [[United States|American]] rabbinical authorities, most notably [[Moshe Feinstein|Rabbi Moshe Feinstein]], ruled that the protection provided by ''cholov yisroel'' is unnecessary because the regulations imposed on the US milk industry by the [[USDA]] are so focused and strict that the milk industry can be trusted to self-regulate themselves (i.e. when they label an item "cow's milk" to not include milk from any other animal). Some [[Haredi Judaism|Haredi]] and [[Modern Orthodox Judaism|Modern Orthodox]] rabbis hold that this leniency cannot be employed and only milk and dairy products with milk-to-bottle supervision may be consumed.
== Risk ==


==== Cheese ====
I dont take risk of getting blocked by csd.I am newcommer.--<br />[[User:RRaunak|<b>[+]►<span style="font-family;size=4:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">▌●√Ω ЯЯΛUNΛΣ● ▌</span></b>]] 11:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
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The situation of [[cheese]] is complicated by the fact that the production of hard cheese usually involves [[rennet]], an enzyme which splits milk into [[curd|curds]] and [[whey]]. Although rennet can be made from vegetable or microbial sources, most forms are derived from the stomach linings of animals, and therefore could potentially be non-kosher. Rennet made from the stomachs of kosher-animals, if they have been slaughtered according to the kosher rules, would itself be kosher, but mixing it with milk would violate the rule against mixing milk and meat, thereby making the resulting cheese non-kosher.
== Speedy deletion of [[Dildo Museum]] pr. G3. ==


[[Jacob ben Meir Tam|Jacob ben Meir]], one of the most prominent medieval [[rabbi]]s, championed the viewpoint that all cheese was kashrut, a standpoint which was practised in communities in [[Narbonne]] and [[Italy]]. Contemporary [[Orthodox Judaism|Orthodox]] authorities do not follow this ruling, and hold that cheese requires formal kashrut certification to be kosher, some even arguing that this is necessary for cheese made with non-animal rennet. In practice, Orthodox Jews, and some Conservative Jews who observe the kashrut laws, only eat cheese if they are certain that the rennet itself was kosher.
Did you check the article history? I'd think the original redirect to [[Dildo, Newfoundland and Labrador]] should warrant discussion rather than speedy. [[User:Taemyr|Taemyr]] ([[User talk:Taemyr|talk]]) 12:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


==[[Slug]]==
=== Gelatin ===
Hi NawlinWiki, I see you have a temporary delete on the Slug article. I know it does attract vandalism, but recently it had been fairly OK, and when vandal additions appeared, they were cleaned up pretty fast. Will it be gone for a few days? Thanks. [[User:Invertzoo|Invertzoo]] ([[User talk:Invertzoo|talk]]) 13:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


The status of [[gelatin]] is a controversial topic. True gelatin consists of [[Denaturation (biochemistry)|denatured]] proteins, and comes from the processed hides or bones of animals, usually pigs or cows. This also affects the status of some brands of [[marshmallow]]s.<ref>[http://kraftfoods.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/kraftfoods.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=588&p_created=1043643600&p_sid=UNx_j6Mi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjYmcF9wcm9kcz0wJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1nZWxhdGlu&p_li=&p_topview=1 Kraft FAQ's]</ref> Most kosher products today use fish-based gelatin.
Oh yes I see! It was back as soon as I finished my note to you! Thanks! [[User:Invertzoo|Invertzoo]] ([[User talk:Invertzoo|talk]]) 13:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Another issue with gelatin is whether it is parve ('not dairy, nor meat'). A kosher parve 'gelatin' made from vegetable gums such as [[carrageenan]] combined with [[Starch#Starches as food|food starch]] from [[tapioca]] (which is also suitable for [[vegan]]s) is commercially available in supermarkets which have substantial Kosher food sections. It does behave differently than protein-based gelatin, however, and cannot always be substituted directly for animal gelatin without modification of the recipe (mixing it with hot water instead of cold water). Other gelatin-like materials available include combinations of carrageen and other vegetable gums, such as [[guar gum]], [[locust-bean gum]], [[xanthan gum]], [[gum acacia]], and [[agar]], chemically modified [[Starch#Starches as food|food starch]], and chemically modified [[pectin]]s. Recently, such products have been used in prepackaged gelled fruit products, replacing animal-based gelatin.
== Mr. freeze. ==


Although most gelatin is considered non-kosher, several prominent rabbinic authorities have noted that gelatin undergoes such extensive processing and chemical changes that it no longer has the status of meat, and as such may be considered parve and kosher. This is the position adopted by some Orthodox rabbis, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel.
Why did you delete and then restore [[Mr. Freeze]]? I couldn't find any reasons in the logs or edit history. [[User:ThuranX|ThuranX]] ([[User talk:ThuranX|talk]]) 13:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


== Production methods ==
:Sorry to hijack this thread but I have the same question regarding the deletion, restoration and protection of [[Domestic violence]]?--[[User:Cailil|<font color="#999999" size="2">'''Cailil'''</font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Cailil|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]]</sup> 23:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


== Black Keyz Music ==
=== Slaughter ===
{{See also|shechita}}
Black Keyz Music page has continually been deleted for reasons that are not valid. Black Keyz has just recently produced Musiq Soulchild's new single Radio and are in no way using Wikipedia as advertisement. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.224.97.45|74.224.97.45]] ([[User talk:74.224.97.45|talk]]) 16:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Jewish law states that kosher mammals and birds must be slaughtered according to a strict set of guidelines, known as the slaughter (''shechita'') (שחיטה). This necessarily eliminates the practice of hunting wild game for food, unless it can be captured alive and ritually slaughtered. The slaughter process has been branded as cruel by some as the animal may not always lose consciousness immediately.<ref name="theAgeArticle">[http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/sheep-killing-branded-cruel/2007/08/02/1185648061374.html?page=2 Sheep killing branded cruel - The Age]</ref>


A professional slaughterer, or ''shochet'' (שוחט), using a large razor-sharp knife with absolutely no irregularities, nicks or dents, and checked carefully between killing each animal, makes a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both [[carotid artery|carotid arteries]], both [[jugular vein]]s, the [[vagus nerve]], the [[Vertebrate trachea|trachea]] and the [[esophagus]], no higher than the [[epiglottis]] and no lower than where the [[cilia]] begin inside the [[Vertebrate trachea|trachea]], thus causing the animal to bleed to death. Any variation from this exact procedure invalidates the process; therefore, if the knife catches even for a split second or is found afterward to have developed any irregularities, or the depth of cut is too deep or shallow, the carcass is not kosher (''[[nevela]]'') and is sold as regular meat to the general public. The ''shochet'' must not only be rigorously trained in this procedure, but also a pious Jew of good character who observes the Sabbath, and who remains cognizant that these are God's creatures who are sacrificing their lives for the good of himself and his community and should not be allowed to suffer in any way. Traditionally in smaller communities, the ''shochet'' was often the town rabbi or the rabbi of one of the local synagogues. Large factories which produce kosher meat have professional full time ''shochtim'' on staff.
==Semiprotecting [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]]==


Once killed, the animal is opened to determine whether there are any of seventy different irregularities or growths on its internal organs, which would render the animal non-kosher. The term ''glatt'' kosher (although it is often used colloquially to mean "strictly kosher") literally means "smooth", and properly refers to meat where the lungs have absolutely no adhesions (i.e. [[scar]]s from previous [[inflammation]]), thus there was never even a question of their not being kosher.
Dear NawlinWiki:


Compromises in countries with animal cruelty laws that prohibit such practices involve stunning the animal to lessen the suffering that occurs while the animal bleeds to death. However, the use of electric shocks to daze the animal is often not accepted by some markets as producing meat which is kosher.<ref name="theAgeArticle"/>
I'm writing to ask you to restore semiprotection to the Mozart article. Just as things were before the semiprotection was imposed 10 months ago, the anons are now contributing a heavy flow of vandalism and ill-informed edits, which is a considerable burden to monitor and trim back. If you restore semiprotection, then the knowledgeable editors could spend their Wiki-time on constructive improvements instead.


Sincerely, [[User:Opus33|Opus33]] ([[User talk:Opus33|talk]]) 18:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


=== Prohibition of mixing milk and meat ===
:Thanks very much. [[User:Opus33|Opus33]] ([[User talk:Opus33|talk]]) 23:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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Three times the [[Torah]] specifically forbids ''seething'' a young [[goat]] ''in its mother's milk'' ({{bibleverse||Exodus|23:19|}}, {{bibleverse||Exodus|34:26|}}, and {{bibleverse||Deuteronomy|14:21|}}). The [[Talmud]] interprets this as a general prohibition against cooking meat and dairy products together, and against eating such a mixture. To help prevent accidental violation of these rules, the modern standard Orthodox practice is to classify food into either being ''meat'', ''dairy'', or ''neither''; the latter category is more usually referred to as ''parve'' from the [[Yiddish language|Yiddish]] word ''parev'' (פארעוו) meaning ''neutral''. As the biblical prohibition specifically refers to (young) goats, the flesh of [[mammal]]s is logically categorised as ''meat'', while that of [[fish]] is considered ''parve''; however, rather than being considered ''parve'', the flesh of [[bird]]s is regarded by Modern [[halakha]] (Jewish law) as ''meat''.


===Involvement by non-Jews===
==Deleting Bob Maumill==


The classical rabbis prohibited any item of food that had been consecrated to an idol, or had been used in the service of an idol<ref>''Abodah Zarah'' 29b</ref>; since the Talmud views all non-Jews as [[idolatry|idolaters]], and viewed [[Interfaith marriage in Judaism|intermarriage]] with appehension, it included within this prohibition any food which has been cooked/prepared completely by non-Jews<ref>''Abodah Zarah'' 35b</ref><ref>''Abodah Zarah'' 38a</ref>. However, [[bread]] sold by a non-Jewish [[baker]] wasn't included in the prohibition<ref>''Abodah Zarah'' 35b</ref><ref>''Abodah Zarah'' 38a</ref>; similarly a number of Jewish writers believed that food prepared on behalf of Jews, by non-Jewish servants, wouldn't count as idolatry, although this view was opposed by [[Jacob ben Asher]]<ref>Jacob ben Asher, ''Yoreh De'ah'', 113:4</ref>.
I admit I'm new to Wikipedia - but why would you delete an article while I'm still writing it? I haven't finished adding in all my references and links yet! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jasonjordan|Jasonjordan]] ([[User talk:Jasonjordan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jasonjordan|contribs]]) 11:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Consequently, modern Orthodox Jews generally believe that wine, cheese, certain cooked foods, and sometimes even certain dairy products<ref>http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-7%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%201.htm</ref><ref>http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-8%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%202.htm</ref><ref>http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-9%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%203.htm</ref>, should only be prepared by Jews. The prohibition against drinking non-Jewish wine, traditionally called ''yayin nesekh'' (literally meaning ''wine for offering [to a deity]''), is not absolute. ''Cooked wine'' (Hebrew: ''yayin mevushal''), meaning wine which has been heated, is regarded as drinkable on the basis that heated wine was not historically used as a religious libation; thus [[kosher wine]] includes [[mulled wine]], and [[pasteurised]] wine, regardless of producer, but Orthodox Judaism only regards other forms of wine as kosher if prepared by a Jew.
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Some Jews refer to these prohibited foods as ''akum'', an [[acronym]] of ''Obhde Kokhabkim U Mazzaloth'', meaning ''worshippers of stars and planets''; ''akum'' is thus a reference to activities which these Jews view as idolatry, and in many significant works of post-classical Jewish literature, such as the Shulchan Aruch, it has been applied to [[Christianity|Christians]] in particular. However, among the classical rabbis, there were a number who refused to treat Christians as idolaters, and consequently regarded food which had been manufactured by them as being kosher; this detail has been noted and upheld by a number of religious authorities in [[Conservative Judaism]], such as Rabbi [[Israel Silverman]], and Rabbi [[Elliot N. Dorff]].
== Hi NawlinWiki ==


Conservative Judaism is more lenient; in the 1960s, Rabbi Israel Silverman issued a [[responsum]], officially approved by the [[Committee on Jewish Law and Standards]], in which he argued that wine manufactured by an automated process was not ''manufactured by gentiles'', and therefore would be kosher. A later responsum of Conservative Judaism was issued by Rabbi Elliott Dorff, who argued, based on precedents in 15th-19th century responsa, that many foods, such as wheat and oil products, which had once been forbidden when produced by non-Jews, were eventually declared kosher; on this basis he concluded that wine and grape products produced by non-Jews would be permissable.
Sorry for the delay in my work (I was on Vacation), Can you take a look at my user page D453g/Tri North Lighting, Inc. for me? I have started working on the refrences and I want to make sure that I am doing them right. It was a little confusing reading through everything last night about the refrences and I wanted to see what you think. By the way, I did move it from my user space since the page meets the requirements as far as I can tell. If you need more please let me know. I will still be adding more information on this company, then I would like to start writing about Nexxus Lighting which is a larger public company as well. Thanks <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:D453g|D453g]] ([[User talk:D453g|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/D453g|contribs]]) 12:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


===Known Poisons===
== Travel All Russia ==


For obvious reasons, the [[Talmud]] adds to the biblical regulations a prohibition against consuming animals which have been poisoned<ref>''Hullin'' 58b</ref>. Similarly the [[Yoreh De'ah]] prohibits the drinking of water, if the water had been left overnight and uncovered in an area where there might be [[serpent]]s, on the basis that a serpent might have left its [[Snake venom|venom]] in the water<ref>[[Jacob ben Asher]], ''Yoreh De'ah'' 29-60</ref>; it has since been discovered that snake venom is generally non-toxic if drunk, rather than injected via a bite.
Hi NawlinWiki, I was wondering what is the reason why the page that i created has been deleted. You mentioned that the problem had something to do with "redirect," can you please give me a bit more detail. Thanks. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sshirokov|Sshirokov]] ([[User talk:Sshirokov|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sshirokov|contribs]]) 15:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


A concern for the health of the eater is also behind the instigation, by the Talmud and Yoreh Deah, to never eat or cook fish with meat, and instead ensure that the mouth is washed between consuming fish and consuming meat; these texts explain that the prohibition is for the purpose of avoiding [[leprosy]], a disease which the texts suggest would be caused by eating meat and fish together<ref>''Pesahim'' 66b</ref><ref>''Yoreh De'ah'' 117</ref>, although it is now known that leprosy is caused by [[Mycobacterium leprae|a parasitic species of bacterium]]. Some rabbis of modern Orthodox Judaism continue to follow this ban<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/prolearn/kosher_primer |title=The Kosher Primer |accessdate=2007-06-01 |last=Luban |first=Rabbi Yaakov |authorlink=Yaakov Luban |work=oukosher.org |publisher=[[Orthodox Union]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-996/mixing-fish-and-meat/ |title=Mixing Fish and Meat |accessdate=2007-06-01 |last=Shulman |first=Shlomo |date=[[2006-07-07]] |work=jewishanswers.org |publisher=Project Genesis}}</ref>
== Re:KamikazeBot ==


==Vegetables==
Hi, I founded a universal account and I go to the main page in the enWiki with a Kamikazebot, but I will not ever edited from this account, because the low-English-speaking, and I know that it will be dangerous experiment:-) [[User:Karol007|Karol007]] ([[User talk:Karol007|talk]]) 09:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Various laws apply to fruits, vegetables and produce. Most of these apply only to produce of [[Israel]]:
* ''[[Orlah]]''—fruits, harvested from a tree, less than three years after its planting (Mishnah tractate Orlah 3:9, Shulchan Arukh Yoreh De'ah 294:9-10)
* Various [[tithe]]s (Shulchan Aruch ''ibid'' ch. 391-393):
** ''[[Heave offering|Terumah]]''—originally given to the [[Kohen|Kohanim]] (priestly caste)
** ''[[Maaser Rishon]]''—originally given to the [[Levite]]s
** ''[[Maaser Sheni]]''—originally consumed in [[Jerusalem]] or given to the poor (in specific years)
* ''[[Shmita]]''—produce from each seventh year (Mishna tractate Shevi'it and Maimonides ''Hilchot Shevi'it ve-Yovel'')
* ''[[Challah#Hafrashat Challah|Challah]]''—a portion of dough which must be given to the Kohanim (Mishna tractate ''Challah'', Shulchan Aruch ''ibid'' 322-330)


There are some restrictions on consumption of produce grown in Israel. The fruit of a tree for the first three years is not consumed (in keeping with the law of ''orlah'', meaning ''[[foreskin]]''). For crops grown in [[Israel]], tithes must be taken and allocated according to the precepts of the Bible, otherwise the entire crop will not be considered kosher. In Israel, stores that sell fruits and vegetables will usually display kosher certification. The certificate ("teudah") must be from the current month.


Outside of Israel, it is generally accepted by kosher consumers that all fresh produce is considered kosher and may be purchased from any store without restriction. However, laws apply to inspection for insects.
== Lal Senaratne ==


===Unprocessed Items===
Hi, as much as you might ''think'' Lal Senaratne is fictional, he happens to be a real person. I don't know if it's because you only care about what happens in your country, and what you have heard of, or if its that you think he is a 'friend' of mine, but he isn't. And he deserves a page. I don't understand why you would delete the page without consideration that there is a great man living in New Zealand (that's right, there are stars out of america) that should be known more. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JORCNC|JORCNC]] ([[User talk:JORCNC|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JORCNC|contribs]]) 13:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


All fresh fruits and vegetables are kosher in principle. Jewish law requires that they be carefully checked and cleaned to make sure that there are no [[insect]]s on them, as insects are not kosher (except certain [[Orthoptera|grasshoppers and crickets]] according to the Jews of Yemen only, [[Kashrut_of_animals#Insects_and_other_invertebrates.2C_small_mammals.2C_reptiles.2C_and_amphibians_.28Leviticus_11:21.2C_29-30.2C_42-43.29|see main article]]). The Orthodox community is particular not to consume produce which may have insect infestation, and check and wash certain forms of produce very carefully. Many Orthodox Jews avoid certain vegetables, such as [[broccoli]], because they may be infested and exceedingly hard to clean. Some kashrut certifying organizations completely recommend against consumption of certain vegetables they deem impossible to clean.
== Protecting templates ==


According to the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, commercially it is not possible to remove all insects, and a sizeable amount remain. Responding to this issue, some companies now sell thoroughly washed and inspected produce for those who do not wish to do it themselves, even going to the trouble of filtering the wash water to ensure that it carries no microscopic creatures [see [[#Insects|discussion of such animals in tap water, above]]]. These may or may not meet rabbinical standards for being insect-free.
Hi NawlinWiki. I noticed that you protected some templates I am watching. When you protect a template you should move (cut and paste) its documentation, categories and interwiki links to a /doc subpage so that non-admins still can update those things. You should also add the {{tl|pp-template}} to the template. Thus, you should add something like this code to any template you protect:
<pre>
<noinclude>


=== Processed Items ===
{{pp-template|small=yes}}
{{Documentation}}
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</noinclude>
</pre>


Processed items (e.g. dry cereals, baked goods, [[canned food|canned fruits and vegetables]], [[frozen vegetables]], and [[dried fruit]] such as [[raisin]]s) can also include small quantities of non-kosher ingredients. This is because these items are often cooked and processed in factories using equipment that is also used for non-kosher foods, may involve containers used for processing that have been greased with animal fats. Sometimes additives are introduced, and fruits or vegetables may have been prepared with milk products or with ingredients such as non-kosher meat broths.
If you are not familiar with this procedure then you can take a look at what I did with {{tl|Picture of the day}} and {{tl|Picture of the day/doc}} and read up on template documentation at [[Wikipedia:Template documentation]].


For these reasons, Orthodox rabbis advise against consuming such products without a ''[[hechsher]]'' (mark of rabbinical certification of kashrut) being on the product. By contrast, some Conservative rabbis regard a careful reading of the ingredients to be a sufficient precaution. However, certain processed foods are usually regarded (by most Jews) as being an exception: plain tea, salt, 100% cocoa, carbonated water, some frozen fruits, including [[berry|berries]], and coffee, have only very basic processing from their natural state; these fruits are often frozen in their natural form and then bagged, while carbonated water is generally just the addition of carbon dioxide to natural water.
--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 14:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


===Passover restrictions===
== Master in Healthcare Innovation ==
During [[Passover]], there are additional restrictions on what foods may be eaten. [[Halakha|Jewish law]] prohibits the consumption of [[chametz|leavened products]], and furthermore any product made from the so-called "five species" of grain—conventionally viewed to be [[wheat]], [[rye]], [[barley]], [[spelt]], or [[oat]]s<ref>Note that the inclusion of oats amongst the five species ([[Rashi]]) is contested; the [[Jerusalem Talmud|Yerushalmi]] and [[Rambam]] have what we know as two-rowed [[barley]]. [[Rye]] is also contested, but is more closely related in appearance, properties and genetic affiliation.</ref>—which may have been inadvertently briefly moistened sometime after harvest, and thus begun the [[fermentation (food)|fermentation]] process which is key to leavening. The exception to this rule is ''[[matza]],'' which has been ritually supervised from harvest to packaging to ensure that no leavening has occurred.


[[Ashkenazi]] Jews are further restricted, by [[minhag|custom]], from eating [[rice]], [[legume]]s, and [[corn]] (collectively called ''[[kitniyot]]'') during Passover. Due to the prevalence of [[corn syrup]] in American processed foods, many common items are disallowed for Ashkenazic Jews during Passover. In particular, [[Coca-Cola]] produces and distributes "kosher for Passover" runs with its [[Coca-Cola formula#Kosher_Coca-Cola|corn syrup-free recipe]] during Passover in the United States.
Ronda Atkinson -- I just made an entry for a graduate degree that is one of the first in the country. Master in Healthcare Innovation is an accredited program offered by Arizona State University. We are not advertising the program but want to let people know of the trend toward innovation in healthcare. How would you suggest I proceed? Thank you. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rondaatkinson|Rondaatkinson]] ([[User talk:Rondaatkinson|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rondaatkinson|contribs]]) 16:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


In order to prevent inadvertent consumption of leaven, observant Jews either maintain an entirely separate set of dishes, cutlery, pots, pans, etc. for Passover (much as they maintain separate sets of kitchenware year-round for milk and for meat), or they [[Passover#Passover_dishware|kasher]] their chametz dishes by immersing them in boiling water. For convenience sake, some people who can afford it have separate kitchens for Passover.
:What about an article that was published in a journal "Clinical Nurse Specialist" by an independent source who references this program? [[User:Rondaatkinson|Rondaatkinson]] ([[User talk:Rondaatkinson|talk]]) 17:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


Due to the high likelihood of leavened material being found in food with even a small amount of processing, Jews who observe this rule regard most commercial products as requiring special ''Kosher for Passover'' certification. This is usually marked with a plain letter '''P''' on the label, or with the words "Kosher for Passover" or "May be used for Passover."
== Charlie the unicorn ==
Hello NawlinWiki. I'd like to start a Charlie The Unicorn page and noticed that you had recently deleted a stub. In recent international travels, I have been quite surprised to find many people from many different countries who instantly recognize references from Charlie the unicorn. I believe that Charlie illustrates how the Internet provides a cultural form for universally appealing art. Charlie is obviously not what one might call high-brow art, but somehow these silly little cartoons capture common feelings and experiences, ones that people from all over the world identify with. I would like to provide a common form for capturing the background, details (for example, the translation of the Z episode) and comparative analysis of the cartoons. As with popular movies and television shows, Charlie reflects who we are as a global culture and deserves a place on wikipedia.
[[User:Kowboyz1003|Kowboyz1003]] ([[User talk:Kowboyz1003|talk]]) 20:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


== Your prize! ==
==Other Principles==


*That an animal is untamed does not preclude it from being kashrut, but a wild animal must be trapped and ritually slaughtered (''[[Shechita|shechted]]'') rather than killed some other way to be kosher.
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*Meat and milk (or derivatives) cannot be mixed in the sense that meat and dairy products are not served at the same meal, served or cooked in the same utensils, or stored together. Observant Jews have separate sets of dishes, and sometimes different kitchens, for meat and milk, and wait anywhere between one and six hours after eating meat before consuming milk products.<ref>Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De'ah 87 ''et seq''</ref>
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*Mammals and fowl must be slaughtered in a specific fashion: slaughter is done by a trained individual (a ''[[shochet]]'') using a special method of slaughter, ''[[shechita]]'' ({{Bibleverse||Deuteronomy|12:21}}). Among other features, ''shechita'' slaughter severs the [[jugular vein]], [[carotid artery]], [[esophagus]] and [[Vertebrate trachea|trachea]] in a single continuous cutting movement with an unserrated, sharp [[Shechita#The knife|knife]], avoiding unnecessary pain to the animal. Failure of any of these criteria renders the meat of the animal unsuitable. The body must be checked after slaughter to confirm that the animal had no medical condition or defect that would have caused it to die of its own accord within a year, which would make the meat unsuitable.<ref>Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De'ah 1-65</ref>
:[[Image:Face-grin.svg]] Its the thought that counts. '''[[User:Synergy|<font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">Syn</font>]]'''[[User_talk:Synergy|<font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">ergy</font>]] 06:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
*Utensils used for non-kosher foods become non-kosher, and make even otherwise kosher food prepared with them non-kosher. Some such utensils, depending on the material they are made from, can be made suitable for preparing kosher food again by immersion in boiling water or by the application of a blowtorch.
*Food prepared by Jews in a manner that violates the ''[[Shabbat]]'' (Sabbath) may not be eaten until the Shabbat is over.<ref>Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim, 318:1</ref>
*[[Passover]] has special dietary rules, the most important of which is the prohibition on eating [[leavened bread]] or derivatives of this (''[[chametz]]'', {{Bibleverse||Exodus|12:15}}). Utensils used in preparing and serving ''chametz'' are also forbidden on Passover unless they have been cleansed (''kashering'').<ref>Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim, 431-452</ref> Observant Jews often have separate sets of meat and dairy utensils for Passover use only.
[[Image:Barley bug.jpg|250px|thumb|right|A [[Pupa#Cocoon|cocoon]] found among [[barley]]corns in a commercially available bag of barley. Food such as [[seed]]s, [[Nut (fruit)|nut]]s and [[vegetable]]s need to be checked so as to avoid eating insects.]]
*Biblical rules control the use of agriculture produce: for produce grown in the [[Land of Israel]] a modified version of the Biblical [[tithe]]s must be applied, including [[Terumat hamaaser|Terumat HaMaaser]], [[Maaser Rishon]], [[Maaser Sheni]], and [[Maaser Ani]] (untithed produce is called ''[[tevel]]''); the fruit of the first three years of a tree’s growth or replanting are forbidden for eating or any other use as ''[[orlah]]'' [http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-medi-terumos.htm]; produce grown in the [[Land of Israel]] on the seventh year is [[Shviis]], and unless managed carefully is forbidden as a violation of the ''[[Shmita]]'' (Sabbatical Year).


The following rules of ''kashrut'' are not universally observed:
*The rule against eating ''[[yoshon|chadash]]'' (new grain) before the 16th of the month [[Nisan]]; many hold that this rule does not apply outside the [[Land of Israel]]
*In addition, some groups follow various eating restrictions on [[Passover]] which go beyond the rules of ''kashrut'', such as the eating of ''[[gebrochts]]'' or [[garlic]].


==See also==
== Help Please regarding speedily deleted manchester music article ==
* [[Milk and meat]]
Hi, just had unsigned rock band article speedily deleted. I forgot to insert the under construction headnote as the band were a popular manchester act, being played on XFM Manchester and supporting touring bands running through the region. the band also has recognition from manchester-music.co.uk and the linc magazine (local monthly student magazine). This is a significant article for muso's living in or around the manchester / wigan region of the north west of england. Any help on how it can be reposted would be greatly appreciated as no hard copy saved! thanks for your time. [[User:Johnny8dl|Johnny8dl]] ([[User talk:Johnny8dl|talk]]) 16:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
* [[Halal]]
* [[Islamic and Jewish dietary laws compared]]
* [[Kosher tax]]
* [[Taboo food and drink]]


== References ==
==Help please, speedily deleted Seven article==
<references/>
Hello, you deleted my account on the mod "Seven Hour War" yet again. Could you please tell me what I should do to stop you from getting rid of it, instead of just deleting what took the best of an hour? If changes need to be made, they will...please explain. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SevenHourWar|SevenHourWar]] ([[User talk:SevenHourWar|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SevenHourWar|contribs]]) 16:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== User to be blocked ==
== Further reading ==
[[Alan F. Segal]], ''Rebecca's Children: Judaism and Christianity in the Roman World'', [[Harvard University Press]], 1986, 125-7.


==External links==
:Hi NawlinWiki. Can you please indefblock [[User:V4orphans|this user]]? Obviously a spam-only account. <font color="amaranth">[[User:Shapiros10|Shapiros10]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="chocolate">[[User talk:Shapiros10|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="bistre">[[Special:Contributions/Shapiros10|My work]]</font></sub> 16:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
*[http://www.kosher-certification.co.uk Kosher Certification]
*[http://religion.atspace.com/Judaismfood00table.htm Laws of Judaism concerning food]


{{Cookbook|Kosher}}
== Vandalism ==


{{Halakha}}
Hi. A lot of accounts are being created solely to vandalize [[User_talk:206.53.154.135]] and related pages. They are probably related. Is there anything that can be done about that? Some good admin work is being wasted in reverting their damage. --[[User:Damiens.rf|Damiens<small>.rf</small>]] 16:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Jewish law and rituals]]
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Why did you delete my article on the Little Brown Dudes? [[User:Brohans Dude|Brohans Dude]] ([[User talk:Brohans Dude|talk]]) 19:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


[[de:Jüdische Speisegesetze]]
I was not done with article yet. Let me introduce myself -- I am Andry. [[User:Brohans Dude|Brohans Dude]] ([[User talk:Brohans Dude|talk]]) 19:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
[[pt:Produtos Kosher]]

[[sk:Parve]]
Don't talk much do ya? [[User:Brohans Dude|Brohans Dude]] ([[User talk:Brohans Dude|talk]]) 20:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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== Deletion of 'Princeton Collins' ==

You say you deleted because I didn't note significance or verifiable source. I did both of those, creating links tto the exact web page where I obtained my information. Put the page back up until you get a real reason. And its crap that I have to re-create the entire page you ppl who delete crap should save it. Why should I have to do more work for your mistake? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Opcrm|Opcrm]] ([[User talk:Opcrm|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Opcrm|contribs]]) 01:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Page move vandalism of Plymouth ==

Hi, I don't know if you forget to do it or not, but just to let you know you didn't delete and then restore the article on Plymouth, whereas you did for its talk page. Thanks [[User:Bsrboy|bsrboy]] ([[User talk:Bsrboy|talk]]) 14:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry, I'm so sorry, I didn't know about this, I will read the Wiipedia links you sent me and find out how to experiment goodly on sandbox. The Bible teaches to forgive and love everyone. [[User:Speaker56|Speaker56]] ([[User talk:Speaker56|talk]]) 15:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Altamont Commuter Express ==

why did you delete the template i was trying to create!? I even left a message on the talk page to let you know about it. It was not a redirect it was to be a new article. would you restore the content please?[[User talk:Myheartinchile|<sup>MY</sup>♥<sub>IN</sub><small>''chile''</small>]] 00:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i feel like an ass, i figured that out right after leaving my stressed out message, sorry about that.[[User talk:Myheartinchile|<sup>MY</sup>♥<sub>IN</sub><small>''chile''</small>]] 00:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

== Emir34 ==

Your welcome! The abbreviation code 'AK' belongs to Alaska but Little Rock, AK was redirecting to the Arkansas capital. So I changed it to Alaska to make it right. I would be happy to fix a mistake in Wikipedia. By the way, I founded [[WP:CGC]] and I would be happy if you joined. I am the only member of the WikiProject <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Emir34|Emir34]] ([[User talk:Emir34|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Emir34|contribs]]) 01:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Conceding defeat, whatever ==

I'll let you have your way, because I really don't care, but please don't accuse me of arbitrarily blanking the page when I gave more than reasonable notice and a reasonable explanation.

I don't care if you are an administrator or if you have a billion edits, please look at the date stamps before leaping to conclusions and respond instead of just immediately reverting when you disagree. [[User:Somedumbyankee|SDY]] ([[User talk:Somedumbyankee|talk]]) 02:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
==Threats==

A few days ago you blocked this user who used racial slurs at various pages - [[User:Bob849032]] at my suggestion. - Yesterday he changed names to [[User:Bob849031]] and vandalized my user page here:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Modernist&oldid=227328440], and Tyrenius blocked him..and now he's using a new name again today with new threats here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Modernist#Vandalism]

Can you protect my talk page and my user page? I'd appreciate your help...Thank you..[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 15:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help yesterday. [[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 15:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Erroneous article deletion ==

The article '''[[Disc coupling]]''' was marked as "blatant advertising" and deleted by you. This is erroneous, because the term "disc coupling" is generic non-trademarked name of a (common) mechanical part. Furthermore, nowhere in the article was any reference made to a company or their products. If the reference did so, that should be removed, not the entire article. Note that I'm not the original writer, so I have no vested interest in it. -- [[User:P199|P199]] ([[User talk:P199|talk]]) 20:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
*If you repost it, I will edit to make it generic. -- [[User:P199|P199]] ([[User talk:P199|talk]]) 20:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Note that the same applies to the article '''[[Jaw Coupling]]'''. Please restore it and I'll remove commercial references. -- [[User:P199|P199]] ([[User talk:P199|talk]]) 16:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Speedy Deletion of Nobility Publishing ==

Can you please explain why Nobility Publishing was deleted speedily. I refreshed to take references from the body of the article and add them to the end only to notice it had been deleted within 30 seconds. While we are a small press, we are a legitimate publishing company. Our article did nothing different from the articles of larger publishing houses on Wikipedia such as [[Harper Collins]], [[Simon & Schuster]], [[Aladdin Paperbacks]], etc.

The only difference I see is that they have been around longer and thus have more verifiable articles already in print. That does not mean we do not have articles in the works, people are not searching for us, or we do not belong on this site and others. This article was meant to be purely informational about a small press.

Can you please explain its deltion? Is it because we put in a section for submission guidelines?

[[User:NobilityPublishing|NobilityPublishing]] ([[User talk:NobilityPublishing|talk]]) 00:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:According to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=nobility+publishing&year=&month=-1 logs], nobility publishing was deleted under the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion]] criterion A7: "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant.". -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] ([[User talk:Gordon Ecker|talk]]) 07:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Recent temporary deletions ==
Recently, you speedily deleted a number of pages, providing no reason other than "temp", and then undeleted them. Although our deletion and speedy deletion policies do not technically require any explanation for deletions, an explanation would be appreciated. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] ([[User talk:Gordon Ecker|talk]]) 07:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:In response to your post on my talk page, thanks, I suspected it was vandalism-related. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] ([[User talk:Gordon Ecker|talk]]) 02:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
== [[User:Projmkultra]] ==

I was hoping you could take a look at [[User talk:Projmkultra]] for me. This editor is the author of [[Cogito animalia]], and has had several issues in the past with self-promotion of the book. I '''<nowiki>{{prod}}</nowiki>'''ded it thinking that they had a chance at making something out of the article, but I'm 99% positive that this is all the editor is going to do...plus there's the issues with self-promotion. Do you think that I should take this to AfD, AIV, or speedy? Give me guidance oh wise one. --[[User:Seascic|Seascic]] <sup>[[User talk:Seascic|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Seascic|C]]</sub> 13:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== SSBM talk page ==

Oh ok you mind doing it then? I think we are in dire need of an archive. [[Special:Contributions/63.76.234.250|63.76.234.250]] ([[User talk:63.76.234.250|talk]]) 17:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks :) [[Special:Contributions/63.76.234.250|63.76.234.250]] ([[User talk:63.76.234.250|talk]]) 17:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

:I have joined in the discussion at 63.76.234.250's talk page. I am mentioning it here so you don't miss my message. [[User talk:Chillum|<font color="Green">'''Chillum'''</font>]] 18:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Jaw coupling]] ==

It's back, thinly disguised advert for manufacturer of said devices.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 18:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== YOUR VIOLATION OF WIKIPEDIA'S RULES IN YOUR AD-HOMINUM, DRIVE-BY ATTACK ON AN ARTICLE WHOSE REFERENCES IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE READ!! ==

Wikipedia Administrators Summarily Deleted My Article "Blaspheming Against The Holy Spirit" Without Warning Or Reasons And Without Having Reviewed My Sources Thusly Summarily Denying Me The Ability To Edit The Article Per Wikipedia's Own Policy

Writer's response to all who have continually summarily deleted the article blasphemy against the Holy Spirit without warning or reasons only unsupported insinuations and ad-homonym attacks.
1. C.Fred was the one that suggested that I upload the article to my user page first so you could help me edit it. That's not what you did though. You lied to me.
2. C.Fred and NawlinWiki how is it that you expect me to believe that the topic is not weighty enough for Wikipedia, and that unlike many of the imperfect, some ridiculous Wikipedia articles I've read that are horribly written, that I, unlike them have to post a perfect draft on the fist occasion. Answer this question, "Why does Wikipedia have a policy on editing?
3. How is it that you cite a lack of sources as a reason for deleting my entire article when I provided you with specific, independent, 3rd party, well credentialed sources. If you disagree I'll insist that you delete every single Wikipedia page without references that I've discovered to exist. Coincidentally, all I have to do is reference the poorly written, unreferenced Wikipedia page entitled, "Eternal Sin" to identify one of many pages on Wikipedia that have no references whatsoever.
4. By the way the conclusions of the "Eternal Sin" article are incorrect. None of the things stated as "thought to be" or "speculated to be" the unforgivable sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit are it. That's why this article, along with every other article on the topic that I have seen ever posted on your website has to suggest that the unforgivable sin is thought to be five different things when it's not and I can and will prove it.
5. C.Fred, you clearly didn't have enough time to read the books I cited as references overnight since you last communicated to me on my user page suggesting he help me with my article.
6. The topic of "Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit" is a credible topic comparable to any other topic you have on this website whose explanation and consequences are material rather than that of a good bit of the content on this site. There is no way for you to dispute the legitimacy of the content on the site. Is the topic to whimsical for you? Is it you, the same administrators coincidently that choose to violate your own rules repetitively and without evidence, that you claim there is much of that........, what? You can't include it? That's odd. Why not?
7. Regarding your repetitive summary deletions of my article per Wikipedia's own policy guidelines:
Wikipedia's deletion policy/Alternatives To Deletion Page 2 of 8 states that, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion."
"Disputes over page content are not dealt with by deleting the page." Wikipedia Deletion Policy Page 3 of 8. You, administrators violated your own rules.
"My article meets none of the "Reasons For Deletion" since
8. This page was merely posted on my user page where it was to remain until edited into conformity with Wikipedia policy but Wikipedia's administrators can't follow their own rules and perform as they committed to performing and you want me to accept both of your ridiculous reasons for deletion of the article which haven't-not for the last 8 times-you have refused to respond to my requests for help editing the article which you simply responded to by deleting the article without ever contacting me.
9. Next, referencing "What Wikipedia Is Not" page 9 of 11: "Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy" which advises, "Follow the spirit, not the letter, of any rules, policies and guidelines if you feel they conflict. If the rules prevent you from improving the encyclopedia, you should ignore them". Do I need to interpret this to either or both of you? Do you not get what I said about the fact that unlike all other articles on the unforgivable sin, the unpardonable sin, the blasphemy against the holy spirit, and the eternal sin, each of which focuses of proposing what blasphemy against the holy spirit is because THEY DON'T KNOW. Do you not understand the conclusions that can be drawn by the facts of my article that can easily be separated from the 1st person interrogatory between God and I that took place that happened to appear in the article before it has been edited. What does editing mean? Do either of you know?
10. In fact it's not even the Wikipedia Rules that are holding me up it's the same handful of administrators who act with malice and bias who have yet to evidence a problem with the article that can't be fixed. The only important thing is that the explanation is solitary because it's not a theory and it is evidenced. Where is the evidence that it's not evidenced! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Llooke11|Llooke11]] ([[User talk:Llooke11|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Llooke11|contribs]]) 21:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== current list of General Hospital ==

I was trying to add more info. on the artice and then you go and delete. I want to know why? --[[User:M42380|M42380]] ([[User talk:M42380|talk]]) 22:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Ahmadoba]] ==

I am wodering what is going on with this poor stub article :( delete, restor, protect, unprotect... :-) Cheers, <b>[[User:Gulmammad|<font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="4" color="#009900">Gülməmməd</font>]] [[User talk:Gulmammad|<sup><font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="2" color="#999900">Talk</font></sup>]]</b> 22:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== What the...? ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Samir_Kuntar&action=history] You move-protected the article at 14:29, 24 July 2008, but Grawp moved it at 23:38, 24 July 2008. Perhaps I'm just missing it, but how did Grawp manage to move the page when protection was set as move=sysop? <span style="background:#E0FFFF;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">[[User:Nishkid64|Nishkid64]] </span><sub>([[User talk:Nishkid64|Make articles, not wikidrama]])</sub> 00:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I see what new tricks Grawp has up his sleeve. <span style="background:#E0FFFF;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">[[User:Nishkid64|Nishkid64]] </span><sub>([[User talk:Nishkid64|Make articles, not wikidrama]])</sub> 00:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Hello ==

[[Special:Contributions/NawlinWiki_the_inbred_Indian|You've]] [[Special:Contributions/NawlinWiki_is_a_faggot_with_AIDS|got]] [[Special:Contributions/NawlinFaggot|some]] [[Special:Contributions/Gwernol%27s_anus_is_stretched_by_Grawp%27s_massive_cock.|deleting]] and [[Special:Contributions/NawlinWiki%27s_anus_is_stretched_by_Grawp%27s_massive_cock|restoring]] to [[Special:Contributions/Luna_Santin%27s_anus_is_stretched_by_Grawp%27s_massive_cock.|take]] [[Special:Contributions/HAGGER%3F%3F|care]] of. Its what you do [[Special:Contributions/NawlinWiki_the_Fag|best]], hope [[Special:Contributions/Similar_to_existing_user_or_recent_meme.|your]] not [[Special:Contributions/%22Lartest_socks%22_--_A_quote_of_PMDrive1061|intimidated]] and have [[Special:Contributions/J%C3%A9sk%C3%A9_Couriano%27s_anus_is_stretched_by_Grawp%27s_massive_cock.|given]] up. I know your [[Special:Contributions/OfCourseI%27mSimilar2ExistingUserOrRecentMemeUStupidHermaphrodite|not]], go get em! '''''[[User:Da monster under your bed|<font color="darkblue" face="Tahoma">Monster Under Your Bed</font>]]''''' <sup>([[User_Talk:Da monster under your bed|talk]])</sup> 10:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Talk page protection ==
Can you please protect my user and talk pages? I am currently battling with a serial vandal/stalker (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RepublicanJacobite/stalker here]) and I have grown tired of reverting him. Thanks! ---<font face="Celtic">[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 16:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you, sir! ---<font face="Celtic">[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 16:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Liv Tyler ==

Can the talk page of Liv Tyler be restored?.--[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 17:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks. May i know why are the articles getting deleted and restored later?. --[[User:SkyWalker|SkyWalker]] ([[User talk:SkyWalker|talk]]) 17:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Edit summary vandalism ==

How DO you revert edit summary vandalism on moves? I recall a thread on [[WP:ANI]] a few days ago where others had tried and failed. &mdash; [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User_talk:Arthur_Rubin|(talk)]] 17:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[International house of hebrew and fosh]] ==

It's back. --[[User:Nagle|John Nagle]] ([[User talk:Nagle|talk]]) 22:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|Jéské Couriano}}

== You've got mail, too ==

Thanks. I've written back. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 01:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:So have I. Thanks. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 00:11, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Wow, you're on the front page of Encyclopedia Dramatica! ==

Congratulations! Must be nice to know you're getting under their skin so much, eh? —[[User:Wknight94|Wknight94]] ([[User talk:Wknight94|talk]]) 13:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== Archetype (band) ==

Hi! I was adding a new article about that band and it showed that once you've already deleted an article like that. I was just wondering why and if I could add it again. Another administrator has also done that in other occasion. Thanks, [[User:Khullah|Khullah]] ([[User talk:Khullah|talk]]) 16:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

==[[List of micronations]]==

Hi NawlinWiki. Could you please apply indefinite semi-protection for the above article? IP addresses and newly created accounts constantly use the page to advertise their micronations and this suggestion has the support of myself and another editor.

Thanks ---- [[User:Onecanadasquarebishopsgate|<font color="#FF8C00">'''Onecanadasquarebishopsgate'''</font>]] 16:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Osmosis]] ==

Just stop a second please. <span>[[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup></span> 03:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Please stop what you are doing. <span>[[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup></span> 04:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

::Emailed. <span>[[User:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">''Prodego''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Prodego|<font color="darkgreen">talk</font>]]</sup></span> 04:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Osmosis ==

Need help? [[User:Kylu|Kylu]] ([[User talk:Kylu|talk]]) 03:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

==Protections==
What's going on here? Many/most of the pages you've been semi-protecting have little or no edits by IPs, let along vandalism that warrants protection. - [[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="#000080">auburn</font><font color="#CC5500">pilot</font>]] [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 04:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

:Makes sense. Looking at all the histories with popups, I didn't even notice there were deleted edits. Thanks, - [[User:AuburnPilot|<font color="#000080">auburn</font><font color="#CC5500">pilot</font>]] [[User_talk:AuburnPilot|<small>talk</small>]] 04:19, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't pretend to know why you're moving [pagename] to [pagename]/d and back, but you should uncheck "Update any redirects that point to the original title" so [[User:Redirect fixer]] (actually part of the job queue) doesn't make useless edits. --[[User talk:NE2|NE2]] 05:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Steamboats of the Mississippi River ==

Hi there,
I've been talking with a brand new wikipedian, [[User:Sfsorrow2]], who has begun some very valuable steamboat related articles. You probably weren't aware that a small group of us have been working on these for some time, as an example [[Steamboats of the Columbia River]], [[Steamboats of the Skeena River]]. Anyway, sfs began [[Steamboats of the Mississippi River]] and you redirected it to Steamboats. See my talk page here[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CindyBo#Help_.21.21] Then he began [[Steamboats of the Mississippi]], which would be better under the other title. So, if you get a chance, could you possibly fix the redirect so he can title it properly again? The article is a work in progress, of course, but will be a valuable addition. Thanks a lot.[[User:CindyBo|<font color="deepskyblue">'''Ci'''</font><font color="hotpink">'''ndy'''</font><font color="goldenrod">'''Bo'''</font>]][[User talk:CindyBo|<font color="deepskyblue"><sup>'''talk'''</sup></font>]] 07:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[User talk:BambooBanga]] ==

User is asking for a second chance, claiming prior good faith edit history and promising not to vandalize again. Thoughts? –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<font color="black">'''xeno'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<font color="black">talk</font>]])</font> 20:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'd be open to giving them a second chance and keeping them on a tight leash. [[User:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Glass</font>]]'''[[User talk:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Cobra</font>]]''' 20:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

== Redirects and /d ==

Hey there. When you recently purged the history of [[Beijing]], you accidentally left the new "fix double redirects" checkbox checked, which caused [[User:Redirect fixer]] to "fix" all redirects that used to point to [[Beijing]] and point them to [[Beijing/d]]. Just a heads-up. Cheers. --[[User:MZMcBride|MZMcBride]] ([[User talk:MZMcBride|talk]]) 05:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion of [[Fetterati]] ==

Hello. You deleted this article on grounds of non-notability. As far as I remember, there were two good references confirming notability. How can I recover the article, and for future reference can I do anything to clarify the notability further? Thanks.--[[User:Whipmaster|Whipmaster]] ([[User talk:Whipmaster|talk]]) 13:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion of vandalism edits ==

I've just noticed that you're deleting a lot of pages (or revisions, rather) of page move and other kinds of vandalism. I'm not sure what exactly the point of that is, but (as has been pointed out above multiple times) please make sure that you don't have "Update any redirects that point to the original title" checked when you move the articles to /d. It would also be nice of you to rollback the edits the [[Special:Contributions/Redirect fixer|Redirect fixer]] has done so far as a result of those moves. Additionally, why do you semi-protect some of the articles? [[Jack and the Beanstalk]] hasn't been a big target for anon-vandalism as far as I can see, for example. --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 15:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

:Alright, that makes sense. You might want to set an expiry date for the semi-protections, tho. Heh, seems you have found a bug that needs fixing, then. Is there a bug report for that one yet? Anyhow, thanks for fixing the redirects again. :) --[[User:Conti|Conti]]|[[User talk:Conti|✉]] 16:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion of [[Sonic: The Fated Hour]] ==

First off, that was quick!

Second, I would also like to request that the just-deleted article be [[WP:SALT|salted]], as this has been now the fourth time this article has been created and deleted, all by the same user. This will only be created again if not salted. Thank you. [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 22:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


== deletion of scythes of the emperor ==

Hi you deleted this page for a blatant infringement on copywriter, however you must not have read the comment I left on the talk page. I was the original author of the http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Scythes_of_the_Emperor article (including all the pictures), therefore I had by default all the permission I required to post it to wikipedia. I did so because wikipedia is on of the best known and most used websites around and I felt the article would get more attention here.

Any chance you could put it back?

==Theodore Kaczynski==

You protected the Unabomber article because of the Kevin Clymo reference? Why would that trigger page protection? Clymo was his lawyer at the time your site reported Kaczynski's attempted suicide, there are many sites on the Web that confirm Clymo's representation. That wasn't vandalism in any sense. Was it because of the timing of Clymo's death? He also represented an investor in the [[ELIC]] bankruptcy.

An odd action, no vandalism seen except perhaps by the deletion of the Clymo reference.--[[Special:Contributions/76.212.145.186|76.212.145.186]] ([[User talk:76.212.145.186|talk]]) 00:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

:OK, thanks for the answer. I'm not a sockpuppet of Grawp or anything. But I think the Clymo reference is important, someone should reinsert it when the page protection expires.

:I have no idea what country you're from, but the ELIC seizure caused a lot of trouble in the US. France, too, as many Altus officers were imprisoned. Rightfully or wrong, you have to track down many alleys to find out. Clymo was a peripheral, and his inclusion in this highly-publicized American criminal case is important to anyone doing any research. The editor who deleted it made a comment about its importance (or lack of) on the History page.--[[Special:Contributions/76.212.145.186|76.212.145.186]] ([[User talk:76.212.145.186|talk]]) 01:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

== [[Hounarable hubert gibbs]] ==

is not a implausible typo, because its just the dude's honorific. Its probably speedable as an R1 (probably A7, as well) because the page it redirects to should be deleted as a g12. Sorry if all the letters and numbers are confusing. :-) --''[[User:Brewcrewer|<span style="font family:Arial;color:green">brew</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Brewcrewer|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:#2E82F4">crewer</span>]] [[User talk:Brewcrewer|(yada, yada)]]'' 03:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Revision as of 01:19, 12 October 2008

File:Feetmontage.jpg
One of the Kosher requirements is having cloven hooves such as goats (upper left), pigs (lower left) and cows (lower right). Pigs, in spite of their cloven hooves, remain non-kosher because they lack the other kosher sign, cud-chewing. Horses (upper right) are entirely uncloven.

Kosher foods are those that conform to the regulations of Jewish religion. These rules form the main aspect of kashrut.

Reasons for food being considered non-kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from non-kosher animals or from kosher animals that were not properly slaughtered, a mixture of meat and milk, wine or grape juice (and their derivatives) produced by gentiles, the use of produce from Israel that has not been tithed properly, or even the use of cooking utensils and machinery which had previously been used for non-kosher food.

Animal Species

In Judaism, most of the laws of Kashrut pertain to animals. The Torah explicitly states which animals are permitted or forbidden. In regard to birds, the Torah lists no general rule is given, and instead the Deuteronomic Code and Priestly Code explicitly list the prohibited birds, using names that have uncertain translations; the list seems to mainly consist of birds of prey, fish-eating water-birds, and the bat (which isn't a bird).

By contrast, for water creatures, Leviticus and Deuteronomy both give the general rule that anything residing in the waters (which Leviticus specifies as being the seas and rivers) is ritually clean if it has both fins and scales[1][2], in contrast to anything residing in the waters with neither fins nor scales[3][4], which Leviticus calls filth[5] (Hebrew: sheqets). All flying creeping things were also to be considered ritually unclean[6][7], according to both Leviticus and Deuteronomy, but unlike Deuteronomy, Leviticus identifies four exceptions; the exceptions are of uncertain translation, but are clearly locusts and similar creatures, and there is a tradition upheld by Jews from Yemen about which animals constitute the kosher locusts.

With regard to land beasts (Hebrew:Behemoth), Deuteronomy and Leviticus both state that anything which chews the cud and has a cloven hoof would be ritually clean, but those animals which only chew the cud or only have cloven hooves would be unclean[8][9]. The texts identify four animals in particular as being unclean for this reason - the hare, hyrax, camel, and pig - although the camel both ruminates and has two toes, while the hare and hyrax are coprophages rather than ruminants; the latter issues have been discussed by many, including the recent book on the subject by Rabbi Natan Slifkin[10]. Leviticus, but not deuteronomy, also states that every creeping thing which creeps upon the earth should be considered filthy (Hebrew: sheqets)[11].

Animal Parts

Blood

One of the main biblical food laws is the forbidding of eating blood on account of the life [being] in the blood; this ban and reason are listed in the Noahide Laws[12], and twice in leviticus[13][14], as well as by Deuteronomy[15].

In order to comply with this prohibition, a number of preparation techniques became practiced within traditional Judaism. The main technique, known as melihah, involves the meat being soaked in water for about half an hour, which results in the pores being opened[16]; after this, the meat is placed on a slanted board or in a wicker basket, and is thickly covered with salt on each side, and left for between 20 minutes and 1 hour[17]. The salt covering draws blood from the meat by osmosis, and so the salt must be subsequently removed from the meat (usually by trying to shake most of it off, and then washing the meat twice[18]) in order to complete the extraction of the blood.

Melihah is not sufficient to extract blood from the liver, lungs, heart, and certain other internal organs, since they naturally contain a high density of blood, and therefore these organs are usually removed before the rest of the meat is salted; roasting on the other hand will usually cause blood to be discharged, and it is therefore the usual treatment given to these organs (if they are to be eaten at all), and it is also an alternative cooking method for the rest of the meat[19].

Groin meat

The hindquarters of a mammal are not kosher unless the sciatic nerve and the fat surrounding it are removed (Genesis 32:32). This is a very time-consuming process demanding a great deal of special training, and is rarely done outside Israel where there is a greater demand for kosher meat. When it is not done the hindquarters of the animal are sold for non-kosher meat.

Animal Produce

Bee honey is Kosher, even though bees are not, because the honey is made by the bee, not a secretion of the bee.[20] One basis for this is that Israel is referred to in the Torah as the "Land of Milk and Honey," and it is accepted that this reference would not speak of a non-kosher entity.

Eggs

Eggs from kosher birds are kosher; they are also considered pareve (neutral, neither milk nor meat). Traditionally, eggs are examined in a glass cup to ascertain that they contain no blood. Eggs containing blood in the white may be used according to Sephardi halakha if the blood can be removed, but the egg must be discarded if any blood is found on the yolk. Ashkenazim generally do not distinguish between blood in the white or on the yolk. Partially-formed eggs found inside slaughtered birds may be eaten, but they must undergo the same process of blood removal as the animal, and these eggs are considered to be fleishig (status of meat) in Ashkenazi Judaism.

Dairy

Milk and milk-derived products derived from kosher animals are kosher. Milk from animals who are deemed treifah (ill or injured with those conditions mentioned in the Talmud as invalidating an animal for consumption), however, is not kosher. While the meat from such animals is similarly prohibited, milk is taken and for the most part consumed while the providing animal is still alive, whereas the meat would be consumed only after the organs (i.e. lungs) of the dead animal are examined for permissibility. This creates an objective question on the kosher status of all milk. To the rescue is the biblical law that states that majority situations trump minority ones, and since most animals do not possess a damning injury, the milk from any one animal may be consumed. Rabbi Hershel Schachter, a prominent rosh yeshiva at Yeshiva University, has made the bold claim that with modern dairy farm equipment, milk from the minority of non-kosher cows is invariably mixed with that of the majority of kosher cows, thus invalidating the permissibility of consuming milk from a large dairy operation. The Orthodox Union, however, released a statement declaring the milk permissible based on some leniencies.

The Shulchan Aruch (Yoreh De’ah 115:1) rules one may consume only "cholov yisroel" (חלב ישראל), or milk produced with a Torah-observant Jewish person present. Lacking proper supervision, one cannot be sure whether the milk came from a kosher animal.[21] Some recent American rabbinical authorities, most notably Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, ruled that the protection provided by cholov yisroel is unnecessary because the regulations imposed on the US milk industry by the USDA are so focused and strict that the milk industry can be trusted to self-regulate themselves (i.e. when they label an item "cow's milk" to not include milk from any other animal). Some Haredi and Modern Orthodox rabbis hold that this leniency cannot be employed and only milk and dairy products with milk-to-bottle supervision may be consumed.

Cheese

The situation of cheese is complicated by the fact that the production of hard cheese usually involves rennet, an enzyme which splits milk into curds and whey. Although rennet can be made from vegetable or microbial sources, most forms are derived from the stomach linings of animals, and therefore could potentially be non-kosher. Rennet made from the stomachs of kosher-animals, if they have been slaughtered according to the kosher rules, would itself be kosher, but mixing it with milk would violate the rule against mixing milk and meat, thereby making the resulting cheese non-kosher.

Jacob ben Meir, one of the most prominent medieval rabbis, championed the viewpoint that all cheese was kashrut, a standpoint which was practised in communities in Narbonne and Italy. Contemporary Orthodox authorities do not follow this ruling, and hold that cheese requires formal kashrut certification to be kosher, some even arguing that this is necessary for cheese made with non-animal rennet. In practice, Orthodox Jews, and some Conservative Jews who observe the kashrut laws, only eat cheese if they are certain that the rennet itself was kosher.

Gelatin

The status of gelatin is a controversial topic. True gelatin consists of denatured proteins, and comes from the processed hides or bones of animals, usually pigs or cows. This also affects the status of some brands of marshmallows.[22] Most kosher products today use fish-based gelatin.

Another issue with gelatin is whether it is parve ('not dairy, nor meat'). A kosher parve 'gelatin' made from vegetable gums such as carrageenan combined with food starch from tapioca (which is also suitable for vegans) is commercially available in supermarkets which have substantial Kosher food sections. It does behave differently than protein-based gelatin, however, and cannot always be substituted directly for animal gelatin without modification of the recipe (mixing it with hot water instead of cold water). Other gelatin-like materials available include combinations of carrageen and other vegetable gums, such as guar gum, locust-bean gum, xanthan gum, gum acacia, and agar, chemically modified food starch, and chemically modified pectins. Recently, such products have been used in prepackaged gelled fruit products, replacing animal-based gelatin.

Although most gelatin is considered non-kosher, several prominent rabbinic authorities have noted that gelatin undergoes such extensive processing and chemical changes that it no longer has the status of meat, and as such may be considered parve and kosher. This is the position adopted by some Orthodox rabbis, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel.

Production methods

Slaughter

Jewish law states that kosher mammals and birds must be slaughtered according to a strict set of guidelines, known as the slaughter (shechita) (שחיטה). This necessarily eliminates the practice of hunting wild game for food, unless it can be captured alive and ritually slaughtered. The slaughter process has been branded as cruel by some as the animal may not always lose consciousness immediately.[23]

A professional slaughterer, or shochet (שוחט), using a large razor-sharp knife with absolutely no irregularities, nicks or dents, and checked carefully between killing each animal, makes a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, the vagus nerve, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where the cilia begin inside the trachea, thus causing the animal to bleed to death. Any variation from this exact procedure invalidates the process; therefore, if the knife catches even for a split second or is found afterward to have developed any irregularities, or the depth of cut is too deep or shallow, the carcass is not kosher (nevela) and is sold as regular meat to the general public. The shochet must not only be rigorously trained in this procedure, but also a pious Jew of good character who observes the Sabbath, and who remains cognizant that these are God's creatures who are sacrificing their lives for the good of himself and his community and should not be allowed to suffer in any way. Traditionally in smaller communities, the shochet was often the town rabbi or the rabbi of one of the local synagogues. Large factories which produce kosher meat have professional full time shochtim on staff.

Once killed, the animal is opened to determine whether there are any of seventy different irregularities or growths on its internal organs, which would render the animal non-kosher. The term glatt kosher (although it is often used colloquially to mean "strictly kosher") literally means "smooth", and properly refers to meat where the lungs have absolutely no adhesions (i.e. scars from previous inflammation), thus there was never even a question of their not being kosher.

Compromises in countries with animal cruelty laws that prohibit such practices involve stunning the animal to lessen the suffering that occurs while the animal bleeds to death. However, the use of electric shocks to daze the animal is often not accepted by some markets as producing meat which is kosher.[23]


Prohibition of mixing milk and meat

Three times the Torah specifically forbids seething a young goat in its mother's milk (Exodus 23:19, Exodus 34:26, and Deuteronomy 14:21). The Talmud interprets this as a general prohibition against cooking meat and dairy products together, and against eating such a mixture. To help prevent accidental violation of these rules, the modern standard Orthodox practice is to classify food into either being meat, dairy, or neither; the latter category is more usually referred to as parve from the Yiddish word parev (פארעוו) meaning neutral. As the biblical prohibition specifically refers to (young) goats, the flesh of mammals is logically categorised as meat, while that of fish is considered parve; however, rather than being considered parve, the flesh of birds is regarded by Modern halakha (Jewish law) as meat.

Involvement by non-Jews

The classical rabbis prohibited any item of food that had been consecrated to an idol, or had been used in the service of an idol[24]; since the Talmud views all non-Jews as idolaters, and viewed intermarriage with appehension, it included within this prohibition any food which has been cooked/prepared completely by non-Jews[25][26]. However, bread sold by a non-Jewish baker wasn't included in the prohibition[27][28]; similarly a number of Jewish writers believed that food prepared on behalf of Jews, by non-Jewish servants, wouldn't count as idolatry, although this view was opposed by Jacob ben Asher[29].

Consequently, modern Orthodox Jews generally believe that wine, cheese, certain cooked foods, and sometimes even certain dairy products[30][31][32], should only be prepared by Jews. The prohibition against drinking non-Jewish wine, traditionally called yayin nesekh (literally meaning wine for offering [to a deity]), is not absolute. Cooked wine (Hebrew: yayin mevushal), meaning wine which has been heated, is regarded as drinkable on the basis that heated wine was not historically used as a religious libation; thus kosher wine includes mulled wine, and pasteurised wine, regardless of producer, but Orthodox Judaism only regards other forms of wine as kosher if prepared by a Jew.

Some Jews refer to these prohibited foods as akum, an acronym of Obhde Kokhabkim U Mazzaloth, meaning worshippers of stars and planets; akum is thus a reference to activities which these Jews view as idolatry, and in many significant works of post-classical Jewish literature, such as the Shulchan Aruch, it has been applied to Christians in particular. However, among the classical rabbis, there were a number who refused to treat Christians as idolaters, and consequently regarded food which had been manufactured by them as being kosher; this detail has been noted and upheld by a number of religious authorities in Conservative Judaism, such as Rabbi Israel Silverman, and Rabbi Elliot N. Dorff.

Conservative Judaism is more lenient; in the 1960s, Rabbi Israel Silverman issued a responsum, officially approved by the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, in which he argued that wine manufactured by an automated process was not manufactured by gentiles, and therefore would be kosher. A later responsum of Conservative Judaism was issued by Rabbi Elliott Dorff, who argued, based on precedents in 15th-19th century responsa, that many foods, such as wheat and oil products, which had once been forbidden when produced by non-Jews, were eventually declared kosher; on this basis he concluded that wine and grape products produced by non-Jews would be permissable.

Known Poisons

For obvious reasons, the Talmud adds to the biblical regulations a prohibition against consuming animals which have been poisoned[33]. Similarly the Yoreh De'ah prohibits the drinking of water, if the water had been left overnight and uncovered in an area where there might be serpents, on the basis that a serpent might have left its venom in the water[34]; it has since been discovered that snake venom is generally non-toxic if drunk, rather than injected via a bite.

A concern for the health of the eater is also behind the instigation, by the Talmud and Yoreh Deah, to never eat or cook fish with meat, and instead ensure that the mouth is washed between consuming fish and consuming meat; these texts explain that the prohibition is for the purpose of avoiding leprosy, a disease which the texts suggest would be caused by eating meat and fish together[35][36], although it is now known that leprosy is caused by a parasitic species of bacterium. Some rabbis of modern Orthodox Judaism continue to follow this ban[37][38]

Vegetables

Various laws apply to fruits, vegetables and produce. Most of these apply only to produce of Israel:

  • Orlah—fruits, harvested from a tree, less than three years after its planting (Mishnah tractate Orlah 3:9, Shulchan Arukh Yoreh De'ah 294:9-10)
  • Various tithes (Shulchan Aruch ibid ch. 391-393):
  • Shmita—produce from each seventh year (Mishna tractate Shevi'it and Maimonides Hilchot Shevi'it ve-Yovel)
  • Challah—a portion of dough which must be given to the Kohanim (Mishna tractate Challah, Shulchan Aruch ibid 322-330)

There are some restrictions on consumption of produce grown in Israel. The fruit of a tree for the first three years is not consumed (in keeping with the law of orlah, meaning foreskin). For crops grown in Israel, tithes must be taken and allocated according to the precepts of the Bible, otherwise the entire crop will not be considered kosher. In Israel, stores that sell fruits and vegetables will usually display kosher certification. The certificate ("teudah") must be from the current month.

Outside of Israel, it is generally accepted by kosher consumers that all fresh produce is considered kosher and may be purchased from any store without restriction. However, laws apply to inspection for insects.

Unprocessed Items

All fresh fruits and vegetables are kosher in principle. Jewish law requires that they be carefully checked and cleaned to make sure that there are no insects on them, as insects are not kosher (except certain grasshoppers and crickets according to the Jews of Yemen only, see main article). The Orthodox community is particular not to consume produce which may have insect infestation, and check and wash certain forms of produce very carefully. Many Orthodox Jews avoid certain vegetables, such as broccoli, because they may be infested and exceedingly hard to clean. Some kashrut certifying organizations completely recommend against consumption of certain vegetables they deem impossible to clean.

According to the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, commercially it is not possible to remove all insects, and a sizeable amount remain. Responding to this issue, some companies now sell thoroughly washed and inspected produce for those who do not wish to do it themselves, even going to the trouble of filtering the wash water to ensure that it carries no microscopic creatures [see discussion of such animals in tap water, above]. These may or may not meet rabbinical standards for being insect-free.

Processed Items

Processed items (e.g. dry cereals, baked goods, canned fruits and vegetables, frozen vegetables, and dried fruit such as raisins) can also include small quantities of non-kosher ingredients. This is because these items are often cooked and processed in factories using equipment that is also used for non-kosher foods, may involve containers used for processing that have been greased with animal fats. Sometimes additives are introduced, and fruits or vegetables may have been prepared with milk products or with ingredients such as non-kosher meat broths.

For these reasons, Orthodox rabbis advise against consuming such products without a hechsher (mark of rabbinical certification of kashrut) being on the product. By contrast, some Conservative rabbis regard a careful reading of the ingredients to be a sufficient precaution. However, certain processed foods are usually regarded (by most Jews) as being an exception: plain tea, salt, 100% cocoa, carbonated water, some frozen fruits, including berries, and coffee, have only very basic processing from their natural state; these fruits are often frozen in their natural form and then bagged, while carbonated water is generally just the addition of carbon dioxide to natural water.

Passover restrictions

During Passover, there are additional restrictions on what foods may be eaten. Jewish law prohibits the consumption of leavened products, and furthermore any product made from the so-called "five species" of grain—conventionally viewed to be wheat, rye, barley, spelt, or oats[39]—which may have been inadvertently briefly moistened sometime after harvest, and thus begun the fermentation process which is key to leavening. The exception to this rule is matza, which has been ritually supervised from harvest to packaging to ensure that no leavening has occurred.

Ashkenazi Jews are further restricted, by custom, from eating rice, legumes, and corn (collectively called kitniyot) during Passover. Due to the prevalence of corn syrup in American processed foods, many common items are disallowed for Ashkenazic Jews during Passover. In particular, Coca-Cola produces and distributes "kosher for Passover" runs with its corn syrup-free recipe during Passover in the United States.

In order to prevent inadvertent consumption of leaven, observant Jews either maintain an entirely separate set of dishes, cutlery, pots, pans, etc. for Passover (much as they maintain separate sets of kitchenware year-round for milk and for meat), or they kasher their chametz dishes by immersing them in boiling water. For convenience sake, some people who can afford it have separate kitchens for Passover.

Due to the high likelihood of leavened material being found in food with even a small amount of processing, Jews who observe this rule regard most commercial products as requiring special Kosher for Passover certification. This is usually marked with a plain letter P on the label, or with the words "Kosher for Passover" or "May be used for Passover."

Other Principles

  • That an animal is untamed does not preclude it from being kashrut, but a wild animal must be trapped and ritually slaughtered (shechted) rather than killed some other way to be kosher.
  • Meat and milk (or derivatives) cannot be mixed in the sense that meat and dairy products are not served at the same meal, served or cooked in the same utensils, or stored together. Observant Jews have separate sets of dishes, and sometimes different kitchens, for meat and milk, and wait anywhere between one and six hours after eating meat before consuming milk products.[40]
  • Mammals and fowl must be slaughtered in a specific fashion: slaughter is done by a trained individual (a shochet) using a special method of slaughter, shechita (Deuteronomy 12:21). Among other features, shechita slaughter severs the jugular vein, carotid artery, esophagus and trachea in a single continuous cutting movement with an unserrated, sharp knife, avoiding unnecessary pain to the animal. Failure of any of these criteria renders the meat of the animal unsuitable. The body must be checked after slaughter to confirm that the animal had no medical condition or defect that would have caused it to die of its own accord within a year, which would make the meat unsuitable.[41]
  • Utensils used for non-kosher foods become non-kosher, and make even otherwise kosher food prepared with them non-kosher. Some such utensils, depending on the material they are made from, can be made suitable for preparing kosher food again by immersion in boiling water or by the application of a blowtorch.
  • Food prepared by Jews in a manner that violates the Shabbat (Sabbath) may not be eaten until the Shabbat is over.[42]
  • Passover has special dietary rules, the most important of which is the prohibition on eating leavened bread or derivatives of this (chametz, Exodus 12:15). Utensils used in preparing and serving chametz are also forbidden on Passover unless they have been cleansed (kashering).[43] Observant Jews often have separate sets of meat and dairy utensils for Passover use only.
A cocoon found among barleycorns in a commercially available bag of barley. Food such as seeds, nuts and vegetables need to be checked so as to avoid eating insects.

The following rules of kashrut are not universally observed:

  • The rule against eating chadash (new grain) before the 16th of the month Nisan; many hold that this rule does not apply outside the Land of Israel
  • In addition, some groups follow various eating restrictions on Passover which go beyond the rules of kashrut, such as the eating of gebrochts or garlic.

See also

References

  1. ^ Leviticus 11:9
  2. ^ Deuteronomy 14:9
  3. ^ Leviticus 11:10
  4. ^ Deuteronomy 14:10
  5. ^ Leviticus 11:10
  6. ^ Deuteronomy 14:19
  7. ^ Leviticus 11:20
  8. ^ Leviticus 11:3–4
  9. ^ Deuteronomy 14:6–7
  10. ^ Natan Slifkin, The Camel, the Hare and the Hyrax
  11. ^ Leviticus 11:41
  12. ^ Genesis 9:4
  13. ^ Leviticus 3:17
  14. ^ Leviticus 17:11
  15. ^ Deuteronomy 12:16
  16. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, Melihah
  17. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, Melihah
  18. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, Melihah
  19. ^ Jewish Encyclopedia, Melihah
  20. ^ Heber, Rabbi Dovid. "To Bee Or Not To Bee: A Kashrus Guide to Honey and Other Bee Derivatives". Kashrus Kurrents. Star-K Kosher Certification. Retrieved 2007-06-01.
  21. ^ OK Kosher Certification — The Making of Chalav Yisroel
  22. ^ Kraft FAQ's
  23. ^ a b Sheep killing branded cruel - The Age
  24. ^ Abodah Zarah 29b
  25. ^ Abodah Zarah 35b
  26. ^ Abodah Zarah 38a
  27. ^ Abodah Zarah 35b
  28. ^ Abodah Zarah 38a
  29. ^ Jacob ben Asher, Yoreh De'ah, 113:4
  30. ^ http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-7%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%201.htm
  31. ^ http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-8%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%202.htm
  32. ^ http://www.koltorah.org/RAVJ/13-9%20Chalav%20Yisrael%20-%20Part%203.htm
  33. ^ Hullin 58b
  34. ^ Jacob ben Asher, Yoreh De'ah 29-60
  35. ^ Pesahim 66b
  36. ^ Yoreh De'ah 117
  37. ^ Luban, Rabbi Yaakov. "The Kosher Primer". oukosher.org. Orthodox Union. Retrieved 2007-06-01.
  38. ^ Shulman, Shlomo (2006-07-07). "Mixing Fish and Meat". jewishanswers.org. Project Genesis. Retrieved 2007-06-01. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  39. ^ Note that the inclusion of oats amongst the five species (Rashi) is contested; the Yerushalmi and Rambam have what we know as two-rowed barley. Rye is also contested, but is more closely related in appearance, properties and genetic affiliation.
  40. ^ Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De'ah 87 et seq
  41. ^ Shulchan Aruch, Yoreh De'ah 1-65
  42. ^ Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim, 318:1
  43. ^ Shulchan Aruch, Orach Chayim, 431-452

Further reading

Alan F. Segal, Rebecca's Children: Judaism and Christianity in the Roman World, Harvard University Press, 1986, 125-7.

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