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'''Georges Santos''' (born [[15 August]], [[1970]] in [[Marseille]]) is a [[France|French]]-born [[Cape Verde]] professional [[Association football|footballer]], currently playing in [[England]] for [[Fleetwood Town F.C.|Fleetwood Town]].


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==Club career==
Santos turned professional with [[Sporting Toulon Var|Toulon]], before moving to England to join [[Tranmere Rovers F.C.|Tranmere Rovers]] in 1998. On transfer-deadline day in [[1999-2000 in English football|1999&ndash;2000]] he moved to [[West Bromwich Albion F.C.|West Bromwich Albion]], where he helped the club preserve their Division One status. Refusing to commit to a long-term deal at Albion, he signed for [[Sheffield United F.C.|Sheffield United]] the following summer.<ref name="bbc813141">{{cite news
|date=[[2000-06-30]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_bromwich_albion/813141.stm
|title= Santos joins Blades
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref> He was one of three Sheffield United players sent off in the notorious [[Battle of Bramall Lane]], a match against his former club West Brom that was abandoned with United down to six players.


== My great thanks! ==
Santos joined [[Grimsby Town F.C.|Grimsby Town]] in December 2002, signing a deal until the end of the season.<ref name="bbc2523781">{{cite news
|date=[[2002-12-02]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/g/grimsby_town/2523781.stm
|title= Santos signs for Mariners
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref> He was primarily used as a centre back at [[Blundell Park]] and went on to win the [[Player of the year award|Player Of The Season]] award. He notably scored his only goal for Grimsby in a 2-0 victory over local rivals and fellow relegation strugglers [[Sheffield Wednesday F.C.|Sheffield Wednesday]], powering in a header from a [[Stuart Campbell (footballer)|Stuart Campbell]] corner. Despite this he was unable to help save the Mariners from relegation from the [[Football League First Division|First Division]]. In the summer of 2003 he parted company with Grimsby and joined [[Ipswich Town F.C.|Ipswich Town]] on a three-month contract.<ref name="bbc3074681>{{cite news
|date=[[2003-07-17]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/3074681.stm
|title= Santos signs for Ipswich
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref>. He stayed at [[Portman Road]] for only one season before he moved on again, signing a two-year contract at [[Queens Park Rangers F.C.|Queens Park Rangers]] (QPR) in summer 2004.<ref name="bbc3930151">{{cite news
|date=[[2004-08-01]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/3930151.stm
|title= Santos seals QPR switch
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref>


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Santos joined [[Brighton & Hove Albion F.C.|Brighton & Hove Albion]] in August 2006.<ref name="bbc4793907">{{cite news
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | <font color="maroon"><br /><br />'''Milhist Coordinator elections'''</font>
|title= Brighton snap up defender Santos
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|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" |Thank you very much for your much appreciated support in the recently concluded September 2008 Military History Wikiproject Coordinator Elections. I was thoroughly surprised to walk away with a position of ''Coordinator''. Thank-you for your support, and I assure you that I will do my best to serve this spectacular project well. Esteemed Regards, [[User:Climie.ca|Cam]] ([[User Talk:Climie.ca|Chat]]) 00:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref> On [[5 January]], [[2007]] he joined [[Oxford United FC|Oxford United]] on loan until the end of the [[2006-07 in English football|2006-07 season]].<ref name="bbc6234277">{{cite news
<small>Notre Dame de Lorrette Cemetary - Arras, France</small>
|date=[[2007-01-05]]
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|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/o/oxford_utd/6234277.stm
|title=Oxford sign Brighton star Santos
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-04-28}}</ref> He was released by Brighton in May 2007.


== hey! ==
On [[31 August]], [[2007]] he joined [[Chesterfield F.C.|Chesterfield]] for a month on non-contract terms.<ref name="bbc6972107">{{cite news
|date=[[2007-08-31]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/chesterfield/6972107.stm
|title= Chesterfield sign Rooney & Santos
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-08-31}}</ref> On [[1 November]], 2007 he left Chesterfield. On [[7 November]] he went on trial at [[Rotherham United F.C.|Rotherham United]].<ref name="bbc361837">{{cite news
|date=[[2007-11-07]]
|url=http://www.rotherhamunited-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=361837
|title=Santos Arrives on Trial
|publisher=Millersmad
|accessdate=2007-11-07}}</ref> He later joined [[Conference North]] club [[Alfreton Town F.C.|Alfreton Town]]. And in January 2008 he moved to [[Farsley Celtic A.F.C.|Farsley Celtic]].<ref name="bbc7204377">{{cite news
|date=[[2008-01-23]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/farsley_celtic/7204377.stm
|title=Farsley recruit Santos & Gardner
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2008-01-23}}</ref> On [[29 September]], [[2008]] he joined [[Fleetwood Town F.C.|Fleetwood Town]].
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{{cite news
| title = Santos comes to Town
| publisher = [[Fleetwood Town F.C.]]
| date = [[2008-09-29]]
| url = http://s252742243.websitehome.co.uk/News/Archive/September2008/019.php
| accessdate = 2008-09-29}}</ref>


Signed your guestbook! Will you sign mine?--[[User:Spittlespat|<span style="color:darkblue;font-family:comic sans ms;cursor:help">'''Spittle</span><span style="color:dodgerblue;font-family:comic sans ms;cursor:help">spat!'''</span>]] <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ǀ</span> <small>[[User talk:Spittlespat|<font color="orangered">T</font>]] ♦ [[Special:Contributions/Spittlespat|<font color="limegreen">C</font>]] ♦ [[User:Spittlespat|<font color="goldenrod">S</font>]]</small> 01:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
==International career==
Santos although born in France, qualifies to play for [[Cape Verde]] through his parents, who are both originally from the islands. He made his international début for [[Cape Verde national football team|Cape Verde]] on [[6 September]], [[2002]] in an [[Africa Cup of Nations]] [[2004 African Cup of Nations qualification#Group 5|qualifying match]] against [[Mauritania national football team|Mauritania]].<ref name="bbc2240785">{{cite news
|date=[[2002-09-06]]
|url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/cup_of_nations/2240785.stm
|title= Cape Verde's Bramall battler
|publisher=[[BBC Sport]]
|accessdate=2007-05-24}}</ref>


==References==
== Romaioi ==
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I never had a problem with the guy really, I just got kind of frustrated that after it all died down he raked it up again. (I figured he wasn't doing himself any favours.) As you can see from recent events, none his fault, there has been a deliberate attempt to implicate him again. Thats the sock puppeteers style, he tries to involve editors he thinks might be sympathetic to him. ''[[User:Justin_A_Kuntz|Justin]]'' <small>''[[User Talk:Justin_A_Kuntz|talk]]''</small> 15:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
==External links==
:That sockpuppeteer is a ''reeeeeal'' jerk, isn't he? Ugh. &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 17:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Cheers Ed ==
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I haven forgotten about Shannara. I've been chilling from Wikipedia and have a massive deadline to make at work, plus we are moving house in a few weeks (lots of prep involved). Its an unkanny coincidence that I browsed my talk page yesterday and found some comments from the sock. Unkanny more so because its the second time, from memory, that I have looked at a page after a break to find fresh comments by him/her. Cheers [[User:Romaioi|Romaioi]] ([[User talk:Romaioi|talk]]) 16:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
[[fr:Georges Santos]]
:Oof. Good luck, my friend, with all of the RL events....
:Don't worry about ''Shannara'' article here on Wikipedia until you've taken care of all of that...Wikipedia will be here after you move! (Don't feel bad because you said that you would help and you can't; RL events take precedence over Wiki matters, I know.) Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 17:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::Hey mate, cheers again. Looks like I managed to find time to do some stuff yesterday anyway. I was left to take care of the bub for the day and got lots of practice typing with one hand. In regards to Justin's comments above. He certainly means well, I agree, but there has been a persistent mischaracterisation of my actions and unacknowledgment of all evidence that clearly shows that I did not do what others say (including the small things such as reverting sock edits). False accusations, WQAs, ANI's, MFQ's etc have been equally frustrating for me. Particularly when most of my contributions have been in the form of adding citations, references and the like. Justin was certainly right about me being in the wrong place at the wrong time - it was a matter if that and the accuser not looking closely enough. One of the topics that the socks keep harping about is one that does need addressing. Unfortunately, the behaviour of the socks has severely tarnished the topic. Equally unfortunately, others who may know something about the topic and attempt to contribute run the risk of automatically being labelled as socks themselves. Whilst Justin justifiably feels that the socks are responsible for most of the grief I experienced, I feel that they are only partly responsible (their "attempts to implicate" me were plainly obvious). Most of the responsibility lies squarely with my accuser. At any rate, I am certainly happy that Justin has his eye on the latest attempts of the socks - it will prevent a third accusation against myself. Cheers [[User:Romaioi|Romaioi]] ([[User talk:Romaioi|talk]]) 11:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, just don't worry about sockpuppets anymore. =) Just go out and have fun on articles that you take an interest in! If you keep focused on those accusations, it will slowly begin to ruin your 'life' on Wikipedia... Anyway, good luck with the kid :D and I hope to talk to you soon! Cheers, &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 19:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[User talk:71.107.160.15]] ==

It's OK. He can remove his warnings. All he's gonna do for 72 hours. Unless someone extend the block, of course. Cheers, [[User:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#00ff00"> Dloh</font>]][[User_talk:Dlohcierekim|<font color="#bb00bb">cierekim''' </font>]] 23:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:Lol okay then. =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 23:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== Carrier Air Wing Six ==

Please make sure the tables in [[Carrier Air Wing Six]] have cites, so I can award it GA. [[User:Wandalstouring|Wandalstouring]] ([[User talk:Wandalstouring|talk]]) 08:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

: Hello, ed7! Hope all is well. I have revised the tables in [[Carrier Air Wing Six]] with the appropriate footnote citations.[[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 18:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

:: Hi! Yeah, everything's fine (for the most part)! I left a note on Wandal's talk page telling him that it was done. =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 18:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

==Operation Strikeback/GA1 Review==
Thanks for the heads-up! I am wading through the GA1 review. Most of the issues I am confident of resolution, but I am concerned about the citation issues for the warship lists. I get in touch when I get to that stage. [[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 18:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

:Alright, just tell me where I can help, and I'll be there. Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 18:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Edits to USS ''West Gate'' (ID-3216) ==

Thanks for catching the missing ''s'' in your edit to {{USS|West Gate|ID-3216}}. I beg to differ, however, on the applicability of [[WP:OVERLINK]] to the word ''[[materiel]]''. As I'm sure you are aware, ''materiel'' is a specialized term that, while familiar to those of use who edit and write military history articles, is not necessarily familiar to non-MH readers. I've found in articles that I've written and/or those that I watch, that when it is ''not'' linked, it often gets "corrected" by well-meaning editors who confuse it for a typo of the word ''material''. By the way, if you're using a script to look for overlinks, I'd suggest removing ''materiel'' from the list. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 11:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:Okay! =) Thanks for not just changing it back without telling me, because I would have kept de-linking materiel whenever I saw it! :D But no, I'm not using a script; I just remove terms whenever I see them, so occasionally I may be wrong... Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 16:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:: I don't want to interject myself into this discussion, but the use of materiel is approprite when used in conjunction with the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy; when used with the U.S. Navy, the appropriate term is material. [[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 11:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In the context of this article, where "''West Gate'' took on 6,700 tons of cargo that included locomotives, steel rails, and other ''materiel'' for the United States Army …", I believe that the correct word is being employed, though I'm not sure I understand the distinction in your remarks. — [[User:Bellhalla|Bellhalla]] ([[User talk:Bellhalla|talk]]) 12:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::: Very good point. BTW - the article is excellent. [[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 17:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::You are right, Bellhalla. Thanks for correcting me. =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 19:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

==The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels|WikiProject Novels]] Newsletter - October 2008==
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* A [[WP:DYK|Did you know]] fact from the new article ''[[The Masks of Time]]'' by [[Robert Silverberg]] appeared on the main page on [[19 September]], [[2008]].
; Member news
* Nominations have now commenced for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/October 2008#Candidates|Coordinator Candidates]] for the Novels Project. Any member of the project may nominate themselves. Nominations close on October 27, so if you wish to run make sure you add your name before then. Details on the election process and the role of Coordinators can be found at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/October 2008]]. The voting and question phase of the election will open on October 28 and end November 28.
* After the recent roll call, the Novels Project now has 74 active [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members|members]].
* 15 positions still remain unfilled at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/JobCentre|Job Centre]], members who are interested are encouraged to apply.
* [[User:Pyfan|Pyfan]] has taken on the position of coordinator for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force|"Fantasy"]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Science fiction task force|"Science fiction"]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Shannara task force|"Shannara"]] task forces plus joined the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Style guidelines|"Style team"]].
* [[User:the_ed17|the_ed17]] has also taken on the position of coordinator for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Shannara task force|"Shannara"]] task force and joined the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review|"Peer Review team"]].
* Coordinators are still required for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian literature|"Australian"]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Chronicles of Narnia task force|"Chronicles of Narnia"]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Crime task force|"Crime"]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Lemony Snicket task force|"Lemony Snicket"]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Short story task force|"Short stories"]] task forces, which may be applied for at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/JobCentre|Job Centre]].
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* {{user|Yllosubmarine}} has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four [[WP:FA|FA]]s and six [[WP:GA|GA]]s in various areas), she has been active in the Project's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment|Assessment]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Peer review|Peer Review]] departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia.
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On the advice of Coordinator [[User:Yllosubmarine|Maria]], the newsletter is now only distributed to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Members|active listed members]] of the Novels Project. A new section has started with this issue called 'In Focus', which will feature various members and task forces each month.

Members are requested to post any news items to the Tip Line (found above) to make sure it reaches the next newsletter before closing date, which is always the last day of the preceding month. Any task force news should be added by the coordinator of that task force. Having news items helps inform members of what is happening at the various task forces and so can be a way of encouraging more membership and participation.

Editors are required to assist with the newsletter for Task Force News and Peer Reviews & Assessments News, which involves the gathering of news items from the main project and the various task forces. These positions may be applied for at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/JobCentre|Job Centre]].

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== [[Carrier Air Wing Six]] ==

[[Carrier Air Wing Six]] has been nominated for a [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment|good article reassessment]]. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to [[Wikipedia:What is a good article?|good article quality]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are [[Talk:Carrier Air Wing Six{{#if:2|/GA2}}|here]]. &mdash;[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 17:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:The ed17, I have addressed the above concerns to the best of my ability. Cold you review and as needed, do any clean-up for the fotnotes? Thanks! [[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 21:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

::Am doing now. =) Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 23:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Many thanks for your assistance. I read the latest GA reassessment comments. It looks like that Mattisse is not persuaded by the expanded narrative or the coninued incorporation of the extant tables and lists. Do you want to pull the trigger for the [[WP:GAR]] review? [[User:Marcd30319|Marcd30319]] ([[User talk:Marcd30319|talk]]) 17:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Peer Reviews and Assessments News ==

Glad to see you take that position as you seem to deal with that section often so you would know what is going on there. I usually close the newsletter to info on last day of month and try to get it delivered within the first week of the next month so will try and remember to let you know. [[User:Boylo|Boylo]] ([[User talk:Boylo|talk]]) 05:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Re: FAC for USS Nevada ==

Ealdgyth already responded to some points. I'll head over and respond to the rest after I do a little bit of research on the sources. Cheers, &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 12:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:Armor? I don't think I changed it, but I'd've relied on Fitzsimons as cited. Not to say that can't be wrong... (His tech editor was Anthony Preston, who I'd rely on generally.) The NYT piece does contradict, but I frankly would want a better source, say ''Jane's'', before changing it; mainstream media aren't notorious for getting tech specs right, especially so far back. [[User:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><small>TREKphiler</small></font>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><sup><small>hit me ♠</small> </sup>]]</font> 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Glad to be of service. And good hearin' from you again. Hope you had a good couple weeks. Ta. [[User:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><small>TREKphiler</small></font>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><sup><small>hit me ♠</small> </sup>]]</font> 03:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Hey! You! Yeah, I'm ''talkin''' to you! ==

Hey Eddie! I'm back! :D :D :D

So...has Darth Vader or his son murdered you yet? (quite bloodily, I assume?) &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 03:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:It scares me that you know my real nickname...are you going to stalk me with that knowledge now? :)
:Not yet. I used some [[ysalamiri]] to hide from the Darth yesterday....but it's only a matter of time... =/ &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 04:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ooo...massive violation of [[WP:BEANS]]. *dons camouflage and scours internet for "Eddies" in Michigan*
::Oh, Eddie's a bad name, though, don't you think? You could be confused with this [[Eddy (fluid dynamics)|eddy]] or, even worse, [[Mr. Ed|''this'' Eddie]]. &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 04:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:::LOL way to drag Wikiguidelines into a ''serious'' conversation!!! :D
:::...not talking to you... (meaaaan.) =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 04:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Not talking? Aw...I'm wounded! *staggers away pitifully*
::::What? *BOOM*
::::Whaa! It's Darth Vader! I'm doomed! &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 04:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

::::YES! MY INFERNAL EVIL PLAN WORKED!!!!
::::AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
::::RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
::::Where is the [[Holy Hand Grenade]]? We must kill this evil black-clad monster!
::::<small>On a side note, why a "boom"? Wouldn't it be a "shhhhhhrrrooom" as he activated his lightsaber?</small> &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 04:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::<small>All right, sue me. I never was a fan of Star Wars, so how would I know? :) Meh. &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 04:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</small>

::::::<small>...you've watched it, right? No need to be a fan&mdash;who forgets that sound effect???? =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 04:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::<small>All right, you got me...I never watched it. *gasps from all around* I was too busy admiring and watching [[Zimerman|teh awesomest piano pwner I ever saw]] and dedicating my life to replicating his awesomeness. :D :D :D Just remember: I'm not a space geek; I'm a ''musique geeque.'' ;) &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 04:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
:::::::<small>Anyhow, I'm going to bed now. Feel free to catch and spread my highly contagious case of idiocy to everyone else on teh wiki. ;) &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 04:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC) </small>
::::::::<small>*GASP* nooooo... You've never seen it? BLASPHEMY! Seriously though, you ''have'' to see them! They are "staple" movies!!! Holy cow... =)</small>
::::::::<small>Ooooo special pianist. Well, I guess that everyone has their own tastes and interests... (no, I don't really like classical, thank you xD...I happen to like "[[Piano Man (song)|Piano Man]]" by Billy Joel though!</small>
::::::::Good night! I'm going to bed too...1:15 a.m. here =/ ...but I'll try to spread the idiocy!
::::::::<small>I was wondering if you were going to see that edit summary...</small> &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 05:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::No classical, eh? I getcha - I used to be ambivalent about it, too. But...now, I hate to sound like those evangelicals who try to convert every secularist they see, but have a looksee at my [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CjEckL4994 favorite piece ever]. You may or may not like it, but I'm curious to see what you think. Tell me your honest opinion afterward, please. :) <small>And you can also tell me if I'm being a pushover for this...</small> &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 19:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) :D Pretty cool. Not something I listen to every day, but every once in awhile it is awesome to hear that. Amazing how people can ecen ''play'' that! O.O No, you aren't being a pushover&mdash;if you like classical, you will probably like that. =) &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 21:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Talk:Utah_State_Route_161/GA1|SR-161]] ==

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== MilHist + Novels shared task force ==
:''my original comment, left on Kevin's talkpage''

"Seeing the interests of the_ed17 above it would be nice to co-ordinate with WP:MILHIST more and maybe get a joint military novel / short story literature task force on the cards." Hmm not a bad idea! There are a lot of military history novels...[[Tom Clancy]] comes to the forefront of my mind, with [[Dale Brown]], [[Alistair MacLean]], [[Stephen Coonts]] and [[Joseph Heller]] next in line..... [and we might get more interest in [[WP:NOVELS]]... :)] Anyway, cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 15:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

If you think this is a good notion how best do you think we should go about it. Does MilHist have any similar group currently. :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 15:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:I've got class now; I'll reply in an hour. Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 15:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, class got out early. MILHIST does have a similar group...I didn't think so, but then I spotted the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/War films task force|War Films task force]] they share with the Films WikiProject. &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 16:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::So we would need to promote the idea of a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/War fiction task force|War fiction task force]] or something closely similar. Needs to be named to be a conjuction of the two projects interests. :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 16:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Hmmm that is kinda awkward though...maybe "Fictional War novels task force" or "War novels task force"? &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 16:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC) "Novels of War"? &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 16:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::My thinking was to include all lengths of fictional narrative prose, inclusive of short stories, novellas and novels etc. Also "novels" are nearly always treated as fiction so both would be "almost" redundant. Unfortunately naming is important so we should get it right first time if we can. :: [[User:Kevinalewis|<span style="color: #33C;">Kevinalewis</span>]] : [[User talk:Kevinalewis|<sup style="color:#C90">(Talk Page)</sup>]]/[[User:Kevinalewis/Desk|<sub style="color:#C90">(Desk)</sub>]] 19:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::Alright then, I suppose that accuracy ''is'' better than a slightly awkward choice of words, <s>so I'll propose it at the [{WP:MILHIST]] talk page.</s> Cheers! &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 19:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Should we wait and get people interested first? &mdash;'''<font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:the_ed17|<font color="800000">the]]_[[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="800000">ed]][[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]]</font></font face>'''&mdash; 19:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ever so much ==
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Aw shucks [[Image:Smiley green alien red.svg|25px]] Thanks...but I'm just trying to help! =/ &mdash;<font face="Viner Hand ITC" color="2F4F4F">'''Ed [[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]] [[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="2F4F4F">for President]] <sub>''[[User:the_ed17/Vote|<font color="2F4F4F">Vote for Ed]]''</sub></font></font face color>''' 22:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you, thank you, thank you! ==
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:[[Image:Face-devil-grin.svg|20px]] What is this, award day? Thanks guys!!! Good luck with more Washington State Routes to GA! &mdash;<font face="Viner Hand ITC" color="2F4F4F">'''Ed [[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]] [[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="2F4F4F">for President]] <sub>''[[User:the_ed17/Vote|<font color="2F4F4F">Vote for Ed]]''</sub></font></font face color>''' 23:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Bloody Murder, Part 2 ==

===The Discussion (not part of episode)===
All right...so what have we got here? How about this episode be centered on edit summaries? Since, of course, they are only used for the most serious of occasions. :D :D :D &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 01:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I think I've found another one of my trademark infringements...

You're having a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:OllieFury/Menu&direction=prev&oldid=244235505 bad influence] on your adoptees, dude. ;) &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 01:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:OK, we'll try it. =)

:<nowiki>:</nowiki>D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It was a test to see if it would work!...i.e. if ''his'' menu was missing a piece of code or something... But you released it under the GNUDFL (or w/e the acronym is) when you saved it, so =p ! <small> and the next edit is me undoing that edit....you coveniently didn't mention that...:)</small> &mdash;<font face="Viner Hand ITC" color="2F4F4F">'''Ed [[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]] [[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="2F4F4F">for President]] <sub>''[[User:the_ed17/Vote|<font color="2F4F4F">Vote for Ed]]''</sub></font></font face color>''' 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

===The episode===
Ed, I need help! Oh, someone save me! My head has imploded out of pure frustration! The automatic edit summary mechanism in my preferences didn't work, and my last edit went unsummarized! Now, when I go through my contribs via Wannabe Kate's, there's that annoying thin red line in my normally perfect sea of green! Oh, what shall I do?! </damsel in distress> &mdash;[[User:La Pianista|<font face="Century Gothic" color="darkblue">'''La'''</font> <font face="Century Gothic" color="dodgerblue">'''Pianista'''</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''T'''</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''C'''</font>]]•[[User:La Pianista/guestbook|<font color="696969">'''S'''</font>]]•[[Wikipedia:Editor review/La Pianista|<font color="696969">'''R'''</font>]])</sup> 03:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== New sig ==

Hi, nice signature. But there's no link to your main userpage?!?!?! Good luck running for president BTW ;) [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span><span style="color:#0000CD">'''h'''</span><span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#693"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]]</small> [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<span style="color:#C6C">±</span>]] 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:I try. =) No link to my userpage 'cos the HTML would get too long...! Cheers, &mdash;<font face="Viner Hand ITC" color="2F4F4F">'''Ed [[User:the_ed17/Newcomers|<font color="000080">17]] [[User talk:the_ed17|<font color="2F4F4F">for President]] <sub>''[[User:the_ed17/Vote|<font color="2F4F4F">Vote for Ed]]''</sub></font></font face color>''' 02:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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My great thanks!

File:Lorrette Cemetary.JPG

Milhist Coordinator elections
Thank you very much for your much appreciated support in the recently concluded September 2008 Military History Wikiproject Coordinator Elections. I was thoroughly surprised to walk away with a position of Coordinator. Thank-you for your support, and I assure you that I will do my best to serve this spectacular project well. Esteemed Regards, Cam (Chat) 00:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Notre Dame de Lorrette Cemetary - Arras, France

hey!

Signed your guestbook! Will you sign mine?--Spittlespat! ǀ TCS 01:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Romaioi

I never had a problem with the guy really, I just got kind of frustrated that after it all died down he raked it up again. (I figured he wasn't doing himself any favours.) As you can see from recent events, none his fault, there has been a deliberate attempt to implicate him again. Thats the sock puppeteers style, he tries to involve editors he thinks might be sympathetic to him. Justin talk 15:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

That sockpuppeteer is a reeeeeal jerk, isn't he? Ugh. —the_ed17— 17:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Cheers Ed

I haven forgotten about Shannara. I've been chilling from Wikipedia and have a massive deadline to make at work, plus we are moving house in a few weeks (lots of prep involved). Its an unkanny coincidence that I browsed my talk page yesterday and found some comments from the sock. Unkanny more so because its the second time, from memory, that I have looked at a page after a break to find fresh comments by him/her. Cheers Romaioi (talk) 16:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Oof. Good luck, my friend, with all of the RL events....
Don't worry about Shannara article here on Wikipedia until you've taken care of all of that...Wikipedia will be here after you move! (Don't feel bad because you said that you would help and you can't; RL events take precedence over Wiki matters, I know.) Cheers! —the_ed17— 17:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey mate, cheers again. Looks like I managed to find time to do some stuff yesterday anyway. I was left to take care of the bub for the day and got lots of practice typing with one hand. In regards to Justin's comments above. He certainly means well, I agree, but there has been a persistent mischaracterisation of my actions and unacknowledgment of all evidence that clearly shows that I did not do what others say (including the small things such as reverting sock edits). False accusations, WQAs, ANI's, MFQ's etc have been equally frustrating for me. Particularly when most of my contributions have been in the form of adding citations, references and the like. Justin was certainly right about me being in the wrong place at the wrong time - it was a matter if that and the accuser not looking closely enough. One of the topics that the socks keep harping about is one that does need addressing. Unfortunately, the behaviour of the socks has severely tarnished the topic. Equally unfortunately, others who may know something about the topic and attempt to contribute run the risk of automatically being labelled as socks themselves. Whilst Justin justifiably feels that the socks are responsible for most of the grief I experienced, I feel that they are only partly responsible (their "attempts to implicate" me were plainly obvious). Most of the responsibility lies squarely with my accuser. At any rate, I am certainly happy that Justin has his eye on the latest attempts of the socks - it will prevent a third accusation against myself. Cheers Romaioi (talk) 11:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, just don't worry about sockpuppets anymore. =) Just go out and have fun on articles that you take an interest in! If you keep focused on those accusations, it will slowly begin to ruin your 'life' on Wikipedia... Anyway, good luck with the kid :D and I hope to talk to you soon! Cheers, —the_ed17— 19:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It's OK. He can remove his warnings. All he's gonna do for 72 hours. Unless someone extend the block, of course. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 23:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Lol okay then. =) —the_ed17— 23:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Carrier Air Wing Six

Please make sure the tables in Carrier Air Wing Six have cites, so I can award it GA. Wandalstouring (talk) 08:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello, ed7! Hope all is well. I have revised the tables in Carrier Air Wing Six with the appropriate footnote citations.Marcd30319 (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi! Yeah, everything's fine (for the most part)! I left a note on Wandal's talk page telling him that it was done. =) —the_ed17— 18:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Operation Strikeback/GA1 Review

Thanks for the heads-up! I am wading through the GA1 review. Most of the issues I am confident of resolution, but I am concerned about the citation issues for the warship lists. I get in touch when I get to that stage. Marcd30319 (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, just tell me where I can help, and I'll be there. Cheers! —the_ed17— 18:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Edits to USS West Gate (ID-3216)

Thanks for catching the missing s in your edit to USS West Gate (ID-3216). I beg to differ, however, on the applicability of WP:OVERLINK to the word materiel. As I'm sure you are aware, materiel is a specialized term that, while familiar to those of use who edit and write military history articles, is not necessarily familiar to non-MH readers. I've found in articles that I've written and/or those that I watch, that when it is not linked, it often gets "corrected" by well-meaning editors who confuse it for a typo of the word material. By the way, if you're using a script to look for overlinks, I'd suggest removing materiel from the list. — Bellhalla (talk) 11:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay! =) Thanks for not just changing it back without telling me, because I would have kept de-linking materiel whenever I saw it! :D But no, I'm not using a script; I just remove terms whenever I see them, so occasionally I may be wrong... Cheers! —the_ed17— 16:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to interject myself into this discussion, but the use of materiel is approprite when used in conjunction with the U.S. Army and U.S. Navy; when used with the U.S. Navy, the appropriate term is material. Marcd30319 (talk) 11:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
In the context of this article, where "West Gate took on 6,700 tons of cargo that included locomotives, steel rails, and other materiel for the United States Army …", I believe that the correct word is being employed, though I'm not sure I understand the distinction in your remarks. — Bellhalla (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Very good point. BTW - the article is excellent. Marcd30319 (talk) 17:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
You are right, Bellhalla. Thanks for correcting me. =) —the_ed17— 19:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

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The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue 27 - October 2008
Project news
Member news
Task force news
Member in Focus
  • Yllosubmarine (talk · contribs) has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four FAs and six GAs in various areas), she has been active in the Project's Assessment and Peer Review departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia.
María (habla conmigo)
Current debates
From the Outreach Department

On the advice of Coordinator Maria, the newsletter is now only distributed to active listed members of the Novels Project. A new section has started with this issue called 'In Focus', which will feature various members and task forces each month.

Members are requested to post any news items to the Tip Line (found above) to make sure it reaches the next newsletter before closing date, which is always the last day of the preceding month. Any task force news should be added by the coordinator of that task force. Having news items helps inform members of what is happening at the various task forces and so can be a way of encouraging more membership and participation.

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Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

Our last newsletter's challenge Griffin's Daughter was uncompleted.

  • Newsletter delivery by xenobot 13:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Carrier Air Wing Six has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. —Mattisse (Talk) 17:31, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The ed17, I have addressed the above concerns to the best of my ability. Cold you review and as needed, do any clean-up for the fotnotes? Thanks! Marcd30319 (talk) 21:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Am doing now. =) Cheers! —the_ed17— 23:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks for your assistance. I read the latest GA reassessment comments. It looks like that Mattisse is not persuaded by the expanded narrative or the coninued incorporation of the extant tables and lists. Do you want to pull the trigger for the WP:GAR review? Marcd30319 (talk) 17:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Peer Reviews and Assessments News

Glad to see you take that position as you seem to deal with that section often so you would know what is going on there. I usually close the newsletter to info on last day of month and try to get it delivered within the first week of the next month so will try and remember to let you know. Boylo (talk) 05:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: FAC for USS Nevada

Ealdgyth already responded to some points. I'll head over and respond to the rest after I do a little bit of research on the sources. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 12:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Armor? I don't think I changed it, but I'd've relied on Fitzsimons as cited. Not to say that can't be wrong... (His tech editor was Anthony Preston, who I'd rely on generally.) The NYT piece does contradict, but I frankly would want a better source, say Jane's, before changing it; mainstream media aren't notorious for getting tech specs right, especially so far back. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Glad to be of service. And good hearin' from you again. Hope you had a good couple weeks. Ta. TREKphiler hit me ♠ 03:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hey! You! Yeah, I'm talkin' to you!

Hey Eddie! I'm back! :D :D :D

So...has Darth Vader or his son murdered you yet? (quite bloodily, I assume?) —La Pianista (TCSR) 03:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It scares me that you know my real nickname...are you going to stalk me with that knowledge now? :)
Not yet. I used some ysalamiri to hide from the Darth yesterday....but it's only a matter of time... =/ —the_ed17— 04:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Ooo...massive violation of WP:BEANS. *dons camouflage and scours internet for "Eddies" in Michigan*
Oh, Eddie's a bad name, though, don't you think? You could be confused with this eddy or, even worse, this Eddie. —La Pianista (TCSR) 04:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL way to drag Wikiguidelines into a serious conversation!!! :D
...not talking to you... (meaaaan.) =) —the_ed17— 04:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Not talking? Aw...I'm wounded! *staggers away pitifully*
What? *BOOM*
Whaa! It's Darth Vader! I'm doomed! —La Pianista (TCSR) 04:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
YES! MY INFERNAL EVIL PLAN WORKED!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
Where is the Holy Hand Grenade? We must kill this evil black-clad monster!
On a side note, why a "boom"? Wouldn't it be a "shhhhhhrrrooom" as he activated his lightsaber?the_ed17— 04:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
All right, sue me. I never was a fan of Star Wars, so how would I know? :) Meh. —La Pianista (TCSR) 04:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
...you've watched it, right? No need to be a fan—who forgets that sound effect???? =) —the_ed17— 04:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
All right, you got me...I never watched it. *gasps from all around* I was too busy admiring and watching teh awesomest piano pwner I ever saw and dedicating my life to replicating his awesomeness. :D :D :D Just remember: I'm not a space geek; I'm a musique geeque. ;) —La Pianista (TCSR) 04:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyhow, I'm going to bed now. Feel free to catch and spread my highly contagious case of idiocy to everyone else on teh wiki. ;) —La Pianista (TCSR) 04:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*GASP* nooooo... You've never seen it? BLASPHEMY! Seriously though, you have to see them! They are "staple" movies!!! Holy cow... =)
Ooooo special pianist. Well, I guess that everyone has their own tastes and interests... (no, I don't really like classical, thank you xD...I happen to like "Piano Man" by Billy Joel though!
Good night! I'm going to bed too...1:15 a.m. here =/ ...but I'll try to spread the idiocy!
I was wondering if you were going to see that edit summary...the_ed17— 05:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
No classical, eh? I getcha - I used to be ambivalent about it, too. But...now, I hate to sound like those evangelicals who try to convert every secularist they see, but have a looksee at my favorite piece ever. You may or may not like it, but I'm curious to see what you think. Tell me your honest opinion afterward, please. :) And you can also tell me if I'm being a pushover for this...La Pianista (TCSR) 19:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) :D Pretty cool. Not something I listen to every day, but every once in awhile it is awesome to hear that. Amazing how people can ecen play that! O.O No, you aren't being a pushover—if you like classical, you will probably like that. =) —the_ed17— 21:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

History has been added, redlinks removed --Admrboltz (talk) 00:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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MilHist + Novels shared task force

my original comment, left on Kevin's talkpage

"Seeing the interests of the_ed17 above it would be nice to co-ordinate with WP:MILHIST more and maybe get a joint military novel / short story literature task force on the cards." Hmm not a bad idea! There are a lot of military history novels...Tom Clancy comes to the forefront of my mind, with Dale Brown, Alistair MacLean, Stephen Coonts and Joseph Heller next in line..... [and we might get more interest in WP:NOVELS... :)] Anyway, cheers! —the_ed17— 15:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

If you think this is a good notion how best do you think we should go about it. Does MilHist have any similar group currently. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:52, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I've got class now; I'll reply in an hour. Cheers! —the_ed17— 15:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Alright, class got out early. MILHIST does have a similar group...I didn't think so, but then I spotted the War Films task force they share with the Films WikiProject. —the_ed17— 16:40, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
So we would need to promote the idea of a War fiction task force or something closely similar. Needs to be named to be a conjuction of the two projects interests. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm that is kinda awkward though...maybe "Fictional War novels task force" or "War novels task force"? —the_ed17— 16:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC) "Novels of War"? —the_ed17— 16:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
My thinking was to include all lengths of fictional narrative prose, inclusive of short stories, novellas and novels etc. Also "novels" are nearly always treated as fiction so both would be "almost" redundant. Unfortunately naming is important so we should get it right first time if we can. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 19:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Alright then, I suppose that accuracy is better than a slightly awkward choice of words, so I'll propose it at the [{WP:MILHIST]] talk page. Cheers! —the_ed17— 19:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Should we wait and get people interested first? —the_ed17— 19:57, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much

Award moved to user page =)

Aw shucks Thanks...but I'm just trying to help! =/ —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 22:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Award moved to user page... :D

What is this, award day? Thanks guys!!! Good luck with more Washington State Routes to GA! —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 23:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Bloody Murder, Part 2

The Discussion (not part of episode)

All right...so what have we got here? How about this episode be centered on edit summaries? Since, of course, they are only used for the most serious of occasions. :D :D :D —La Pianista (TCSR) 01:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I think I've found another one of my trademark infringements...

You're having a bad influence on your adoptees, dude. ;) —La Pianista (TCSR) 01:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, we'll try it. =)
:D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D It was a test to see if it would work!...i.e. if his menu was missing a piece of code or something... But you released it under the GNUDFL (or w/e the acronym is) when you saved it, so =p ! and the next edit is me undoing that edit....you coveniently didn't mention that...:)Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The episode

Ed, I need help! Oh, someone save me! My head has imploded out of pure frustration! The automatic edit summary mechanism in my preferences didn't work, and my last edit went unsummarized! Now, when I go through my contribs via Wannabe Kate's, there's that annoying thin red line in my normally perfect sea of green! Oh, what shall I do?! </damsel in distress> —La Pianista (TCSR) 03:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

New sig

Hi, nice signature. But there's no link to your main userpage?!?!?! Good luck running for president BTW ;) Chamal Talk ± 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I try. =) No link to my userpage 'cos the HTML would get too long...! Cheers, —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 02:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)