User talk:Jeremy Bolwell

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Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester

Hi and thanks for your edits to Simon de Montfort, 6th Earl of Leicester. However, we only capitalise the first word in a section heading, and king, baron etc. are only capitalised if they are part of a formal title (eg. 'the King of France', but 'the French king'. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(headings)#Capitalization and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)#Titles for more info and examples. Modest Genius ^talk 21:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Distances in km please

Hi Jeremy, When you're adding paths to Long-distance footpaths in the UK could you please add the distance in km as well as miles, to be consistent with all the other entries on the page, and to comply with the conversions section of WP:MOS. The whole article was only in km until I put a lot of work into it to add the miles, around 31 October - I'm not a metric fanatic, but the WP convention is to give both units so please convert as you add! Thanks, PamD (talk) 19:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Canals of Great Britain

Could I bring these sites to your attention: http://www.lhcrt.org.uk/ http://www.m6toll.co.uk/about/environment.asp Also, Mr Michael Fabricant MP (UK) is involved with the LHCRT. Thanks, Tom Blacker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.238.40 (talk) 00:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Monmouthshire geo stubs

HI thanks for your contrbiutions to the missing villages -I live in the vale of glamorgan! Could you do a favour though and start adding {{Monmouthshire-geo-stub}} at the bottom of articles -see Llansoy. This way we know which articles need developing thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^"Talk"? 17:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

References

I've noticed that in all your extremely valuable and useful contributions on Monmouthshire and Wales there is a distinct lack of inline references, which is Wikipedia's preferred style of ensuring that the information the articles contain is verifiable. Rather than attaching bold template messages to your articles, I thought I'd raise it with you here first. The guidance is at WP:REF. I'm far from faultless at this myself but hope I'm getting better - a couple of examples of referenced articles I've done recently are Partrishow and Sudbrook, Monmouthshire. Happy to help at any time. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

PS - apologies for mistakenly "vandalising" your user page just now - my fault entirely, sorry.... Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Timeline of Jane Austen

Thank you for all of your helpful additional links on the Timeline of Jane Austen. I just wanted to let you know that it is always a good idea to check the links after you make them. Several of the links you created were to disambiguation pages, meaning they were to pages that list all of the possible articles with that title. Usually we try to link directly to the correct page. Thanks again! Awadewit | talk 01:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Geograph photos

Hi Jeremy, I see you've linked to several Geograph photos from the Rhymney Valley Ridgeway Walk article, but in fact you can upload any Geograph photo onto Wiki Commons and then use it in the article - that's how I did the ones in Leeds Country Way. There's a template {{geograph}} to use in specifying the permissions. PamD (talk) 09:44, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I just reverted your edits to River Usk as you added far too many links, which looked ugly and broke up the flow of the text. I have migrated one of the image across to commons and it really is very easy. In the example image I migrated, its geograph number was 410993 and its owner was mfjordan. To upload the image I saved it to local disk, went to the Wikimedia Commons upload form, pointed to the file on local disk then gave it a sensible name. Then I simply put the following text into the Commons image upload form. {{subst:geograph | 410993 | mfjordan}} All other text on the form can be deleted. It is that easy and looks so much better than ugly inline links. --Cheesy Mike (talk) 17:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC) :b.t.w. if you need any help, just ask. --Cheesy Mike (talk) 17:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Linking dates...

Hi. You recently wiki-linked a number of years in the Kennet and Avon Canal and Caen Hill Locks articles. While there is nothing 'wrong' with that, you will find that many editors follow the guidance of WP:DATE, and do not link years, centuries, etc. There is further explanation at Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context#Dates. Cheers. EdJogg (talk) 22:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

And the same in Stony Stratford. Please re-read WP:DATE. (but correct link for River Ouse was valid and welcome. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

And the same for Berkswell. I also removed superfluous links that you added. - Erebus555 (talk) 17:13, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Horton Point (horse)

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Please keep to conventions on page

Hallo, When you're adding to Long-distance footpaths in the United Kingdom could you please format the distances in the established way? The non-breaking space (so that in "73 kilometres" you never get the 73 on one line and the "kilometres" on the next) is available by a mouseclick in the toolbox below the editing window. It is convention that we spell out "kilometres" and abbreviate "mi" (yes, I hate that abbreviation, but there it is). A lot of time has been spent tidying up that page for consistency, so please help by adding anything new in constistent style. Thanks. PamD (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wales dates

Hi Jeremy - good job on copyediting and wikilinking various Wales articles (your name keeps cropping up in my watchlist, so I can see you've been busy!). My only comment is to nudge you in the direction of Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Limit links to other time period related articles which says "Wikipedia has articles on days of the year, years, decades, centuries and millennia. Link to one of these pages only if it is likely to deepen readers' understanding of a topic." (emphasis in original) Wikilinking lots of individual years probably doesn't add to the utility of the article and may even distract from the other, useful, wikilinks you've been adding. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 00:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Linking

Please don't overlink, in general it's only necessary to link something on the first occasion it is mentioned, and more common terms shouldn't be linked at all. David Underdown (talk) 12:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You're still inserting multiples links for the same terms - and for some very basic terms in Royal Marines. We really don't need multiple links for Royal Navy and each fo the commandos. David Underdown (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

For the third time, please remember that things only need to be linked once in an article, and basic concepts do not need to be linked at all. David Underdown (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Visitor attractions in Wales

Hello again, Jeremy - just to suggest that adding Category:Visitor attractions in Wales to places like Harlech Castle is unnecessary, since Category:World Heritage Sites in Wales is a sub-category of the "Visitor attractions" category and so World Heritage Sites are effectively included there already. See no 3 of these guidelines. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 16:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Your Welsh religion category changes are overcategorization as well; please don't do this. Bencherlite^Talk 10:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Huddersfield

Hi Jeremy! With regard to your multiple edits today on the Huddersfield article - (47 edits in 95 minutes). I think you were a little exuberant on your quest for wikilinking :0). Most of them were not required as its not necessary to link every reference to common words (Note the post by David Underdown above). Additionally please ensure your linking to the correct item; For example Gamma does not have quite the same meaning as Gamma ray when referring to Gamma irradiation scanning!' Leaving wiki-links open to several meanings is also a bad idea, as per your link to Liberal, you need to disambiguate the link to a specific meaning. Accordingly I have just spent two hours and 53 edits reverting those that needed to be. I have disambiguated those that I could, reworded some others to give the same meaning as intended by the original editors, a couple, that do not or may never have articles to link to I have Hyperlinked to their respective websites, where appropriate, such as the Hospital trust. An editing tip for checking the wikilinks is to use the 'Preview' button and then hover your mouse cursor over the link shown. That will then either show the only link available or a list of articles that you can select from, or check for further specific links, before pressing the 'Save page' button ;0) Additionally I have reverted your mass deletions of the people who have received Civic Honours in the town. Your personal selection of who you feel are the most notable do not really matter, I personally felt some you had deleted were quite notable. Its best to leave the listing neutral. Please note though that the list is as they say 'fixed in concrete'. Since Huddersfield became a part of Kirklees and ceased to have its own Town Council and Mayor no further additions can ever be made to it. Any new potential honours recipients from the town will need to be put to the Kirklees Council. Richard Harvey (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please refrain from vandalising articles. Removal of factual information, as you have repeadtedly done on the Huddersfield article is regarded as vandalism, Additionally you have been requested by numerous editors to cease unrequired wikilinking of common words and dates and not disambiguating links correctly. You have failed to reply to these requests or refrain from the type of editing that is causing problems. Continued editing of this type will be taken in bad faith as vandalism and may result in your editing being blocked. Richard Harvey (talk) 14:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Advice

Just a helpful note - try to be constructive with your edits -- follow the guidelines on not overlinking single common words or stand alone dates, and don't delete useful information without a comment. Hope this helps, --mervyn (talk)

Potential pub task force!

Hi Jeremy I've noticed that you have an interest in editing pub articles. I've also edited some over the past few years. I have been looking vlosley at the pub articles over the past couple of days and feel that there is room for improvement - especially in terms of organisation, referencing, and notability. The pub articles attract people who want to write about a pub they like regardless of Wikipedia's guidelines, and there has been a tendency for some non-notable pubs to be added either as stand-alone articles or as part of a list. It would be helpful to think about a standard approach to structuring pub articles, and some minimal notability guidelines. And to think about the overall organisation of the pub articles in general. Would you be interested in getting involved? Regards SilkTork *^YES! 15:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Piping links

I've noticed that a couple of times you've added links to articles without piping them, which would ensure that the name of the article itself doesn't appear in the displayed text where it would disrupt the flow and grammar. Easy enough to do - instead of simply putting in Chepstow Museum, say, you add in | followed by the words you want to appear in the text, before the final ]], such as I'm doing here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Ta GH - I had been wondering how to do that - natty. Now I know, simple when you do.Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 12:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Cistercian Way (Wales)

Jeremy, I've just created a page for Penrhys (and boy will it get vandalised over the coming years), but it seems it is part of the Cistercian Way, a page which you created. Could you see if you could find some references to this so we can update both our pages if it's true. Keep up the good fight.FruitMonkey (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Both are great subjects. Keep up the good work. ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 05:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Cwmystwyth

Hi. You made this edit deleting a section of Cwmystwyth and did not state the reason. Please explain? Thanks. ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 03:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi - that edit was unintentional, I think it must have happened when Wikipedia was on a read only mode and I must have hit the wrong button just prior or just after. Sorry! I see its back there as it should be. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy. Sounds like a Wiki "senior moment" of which I've had a few =;-D Thanks for the reply & cheers! ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 12:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Categorization

Hi Jeremy, just a quick FYI to let you know that wikipedia guidelines generally suggest that one does not add both a main category and a subcategory within the main category in the same article. I tossed some of your categorization because it was overkill. This is not to say that the horse categories aren't a mess and need serious reorganization, but until that happens, we are trying to keep "Equestrianism" down to more of a list of other subcategories than a list of articles itself...not that we're there, but feel free to swing by Wikiproject Equine and lend a hand! Montanabw^(talk) 01:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

X Factor

Hi Jeremy. I'm a bit puzzled by your contribution to the Newbridge page in which you say : "X-Factor star Leanne Wolves, who won the first X-Factor Series in the band Triple X with Marcella and Skip. Their only known hit to date is 'Gimme Some of That!' B-side to 'You Know You've Got it!'. She has just been signed to accompany C'est La Vie la Sest, on their latest world tour." Is this some sort of wind-up? The first winner of X-Factor was Steve Brookstein. Marcella and Skip are the subject of a 'bad audition' video on YouTube, and Googling 'Leanne Wolves' produces no results, and neither does C'est La Vie la Sest. Can you enlighten me, please? ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ ^talk 18:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

It aint my contribution - sorry. Shurely shome mishtake. I did wonder about it when I first saw it but moved on.Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 19:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Thought it was your edit, even though I thought it a bit unlikely. Turns out it was unattributed. It's now been removed. ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ ^talk 19:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Dai Dower

Sorry, Jeremy, but I think that 'in the team of Great Britain at the 1952 Summer Olympics in the boxing squad' is a really ugly grammatical change that you've made. ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ ^talk 11:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I agree - Ive amended it with a better word - selected. I think its better now. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 11:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy, I've just been having another look at the edits you made to Dai Dower last month. You seem to have 'Wikified' the names of six boxers who don't have pages on Wikipedia. As this adds nothing at all to the article, other than making it look messy, I'm a bit puzzled why you've done that. Can you explain your thinking behind such edits? ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk 17:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jongleur - Fair point - I was researching them with a view to seeing if they can be wikified, but got sidetracked Im afraid. Give me a bit of time and I will re-visit this. Thanks for the nudge. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 19:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Not to worry, I've done it for you. Cheers, ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk 11:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes - sketchy is the word, little detail on such men, although its only barely 50 yrs. Obliged Jonegleur anyway. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 11:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Place definition

Jeremy, the standard way of describing a place on Wikepdia is usually: <placename>, <county>, <country>

You seem to be breaking this convention by changing Wales to North Wales. The term North Wales does not refer to a country, but merely a geography region. If you read the North Wales and South Wales articles you will see that they are also poorly defined region. For example the city of Newport can be defined as being in South Wales but is not covered by South Wales Police. Parts of Gwynedd are not in the "North Wales" regional Assembly constituency but are part of "Mid and West Wales". Is Carmarthen is South Wales or West Wales?

Comparing articles on Welsh places to those elsewhere is also a good guide:

• "Watford is a town and district in Hertfordshire, England"
• "Lincoln, Lincolnshire is a cathedral city and county town of Lincolnshire, England"
• "Dover is a town and major ferry port in the county of Kent, England"
• "Alnwick is a small market town in north Northumberland, in the north-east of England"

I accept that in many of the articles I have written, or edited, I do use the terms "north Wales"; "north-east Wales"; etc. but merely as geographic pointers within Wales. Using the terms North Wales or South Wales to identify places could imply two separate countries as in North Korea and South Korea.

So I can see no serious precedence for your moves, which seem totally illogical.

Perhaps this issue should go out as an RFQ? -- Maelor  13:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Why dont we resolve this issue with placename, county, Region then country? Seems logical - Wales is big and many people outside Wales are gobsmackingly ignorant of where places are - anything that easily helps them while complying with guidelines is welcome. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the ignorance! But that's why I use the terms "north-east Wales", "north west Wales" to pinpoint the place more precisely. Having been a teacher for 30 years, I believe we need to educate and not "dumb-down". Don't you think that "Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, South Wales, Wales" is a bit "over-the-top". And, referring to the English examples I gave above, I believe tha what's good enough for England is good enough for Wales. -- Maelor  13:55, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that the articles need to be linkable to already extant articles for North Wales, South Wales, Mid Wales etc - simplfying 'north east Wales' to North Wales isnt necessarily dumbing down - the example for Abergavenny that you offer is not I believe at least OTT - it may help a Bristolian planning walking holiday in the Brecon Beacons (off the top of may head) who doesnt want to drive to Mid Wales. I think we need better, mre comprehensive and thought-through examples thn any English article, dont you? (!!) Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 14:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I would have thought that the geo-coordinate link at the top of the Brecon Beacons page would suffice? How more precise details do you need? -- Maelor  14:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The geo-co-ord link helps, but do you use them? Lincoln, Lincolnshire East Midlands would be better than just county Dover, Kent, South East England also better etc. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 14:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Possibly but you simply cannot make that decision unilaterally! You need to get a consensus of other users first. -- Maelor  14:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

(<-) Hello guys. This issue is adequately covered in our policy entitled Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements). In short, for better or worse, we use the convention "<placename>, <principal area>". --Jza84 |  Talk  14:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the naming convention only relates to the naming of counties rather than countries. I must say that I'm with Maelor on this. Although people use the north Wales and south Wales, it's ver y vague as everyone's perception of where on begins is different.

Lincoln, Lincolnshire East Midlands would be better

I don't see how. In the case of Ruthin, Denbighshire, north Wales - if I knew were Wales was, but little else, I'd click on Denbighshire, which would show it's location in northeast Wales. If I didn't know where Wales was, then clicking on the article about Wales would be more useful, than a vague article about a made up region. Creating a link to North Wales will only add to the ignorance!--Rhyswynne (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in on someone else's conversation, but I'd like to have my tuppence worth. The problem here is that the people who live in the southern part of Wales identify very srongly with the area. They call it 'South Wales' with an implied capital letter, and use this to describe where they live. I have yet to hear an Englishman say that he comes from 'South East England' or 'Northern England' - they use the county they come from, e.g Kent or Yorkshire. For some time now I have been trying to persuade my favourite newspaper to mention the names of Welsh counties when they are talking about towns and villages, but they religiously stick to 'Blackwood, South Wales' or similar. This is what makes 'South Wales' as a geographical description almost unique. ♦ Jongleur100 ♦ ^talk 16:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Jongleur100 does make a valid point in relation to the Valleys area, because although most of the industrial area was in Glamorgan it did extend into other counties such as Monmouthshire, and the general term "South Wales" is indeed commonly used. And "Glamorgan" has not existed in local government terms since the 1970s. But on balance I think that the need for conformity outweighs this, and certainly there is absolutely no need for putting in both counties and regional descriptions. In my view there is often far too much unnecessary linking of words to other articles. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ruthin

Jeremy take care. You just deleted the Ruthin article???? -- Maelor  14:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

My bad. Slip trying to edit. Not intentional! Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Linking

Please don't overlink, especially with common terms. Is it really necessary to Wikilink words like hill, beach, sand, park etc? Overlinking spoils the text. As does linking every date unnecessarily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.88.202 (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know the argument - we all know what they are. However when I've looked at those articles it opens up sand's constituents, uses, hazards and links on to fascinating articles on sandstorms etc. Hill likewise as defined, as opposed to mountain. Park the same. Beach a geographical term and again tons of info. This is an encyclopedia - and I picture a 10 yr old delving into this aladdins cave of facts and surfing back and forward. If I'm learning then I expect that kid is too. Someone like you or me has taken the time and trouble to create these apparently banal articles - but they never are when you burrow in. Hence me doffing my cap to these little helpful articles and their creators. IT SPOILS THE TEXT. Thats not my personal opinion. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with the Anon edit above - this edit to Mallwyd introduced a number of unnecessary links, against WIkipedia's style guidelines. See WP:Overlinking. Most people know what a village or a pub are, and there is a search box for those who feel the need to find out more. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

You know what a pub is, but without the link you dont what other people think do you - and thats the point. Linking is the Unique Selling Point of THIS form of encylopedia - if you dont want to click the link dont, but dont assume no one else will! All a link does is change black 'ink' to blue - when Wikipedia is perfected we can address the semantics but when articles vary in quality so much lets get some editing done. Thanks for your input though. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 11:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

As I stated above, overlinking is one of the Style guidelines, i.e. a guide that has evolved over time and become accepted methods of editing by general consensus of many editors. You may have a different opinion (and there are some guidelines and policies that I don't like either), but that is not a good reason to break them, especially to change an article that already conforms to the guidelines. Please stop. You have already been warned about this, and if you continue to carry on, I will have to consider your actions as vandalism and take appropriate action. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo (talk) 11:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

10 minutes in and straight to a threat. How positive. Easy to defend against. Go and bully a real vandal.Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 11:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I am only repeating the warnings you have already been given, and you have continued to ignore. Please take note of them - they are given for your benefit. — Pek, on behalf of Tivedshambo (talk) 12:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice - duly noted. Why not 'get to know me', look at my work and support me? We may share many interests and can contribute to Wikipedia positively. We have a difference of opinion, style and content perspectives etc - hardly insurmountable stances with no room for compromise. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 12:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Jeremy Bolwell. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding your repeated overlinking. Thank you. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 15:46, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy, I came to your page because I read the section on the Administrators' noticeboard. This is just a friendly suggestion to look over the Wikipedia: Overlinking guide, where you can get an idea of the types of things we like to link and prefer not to link. I don't think anyone is threatening you, but please understand that if you choose to ignore the guideline on linking, somebody may take your actions as vandalism and block you. This is not a reflection on you; we just have established ways of doing things. If you disagree with the current guideline, you can always start a discussion on the Wikipedia talk:Only make links that are relevant to the context talk page.

I've looked over some of your contributions, and would agree that in some cases you have probably linked more than strictly necessary. Less is often more with linking, and many people find links annoying when reading articles, so we try to keep them to a minimum while still providing quick access to related content. Hope you enjoy working on Wikipedia. Exploding Boy (talk) 16:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Could I please ask you one final time to stop adding unnecessary links to articles, as you did here. Your attention has been draw to the relevant guidelines - please use them. Words like hill, mountain, village etc. do not need links. I don't want to have to take further action, but if you continue to ignore the advice you have been given by me and other editors, you will leave me no other choice. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 21:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Jeremy - no-one involved in your areas of interest wants to lose you from this, as you make a great number of very useful contributions to articles. You are certainly not a vandal, quite the opposite, you have helped build a great number of articles. However, I strongly suggest that you look carefully at the advice you are getting here. You do make valid points about the benefits of linking as an educational tool, and if you disagree with the current guidance you've every reason to seek to change it as others have mentioned. But I suspect that if you were to continue with your approach so far, despite the advice you've had, the results would be counter-productive and I hope you don't go down that route. Regards, Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Without wishing to appear like we're piling on, I'd like to clarify that, good intentions or not, persisting in overlinking will result in a block. That you've been given an extraordinary degree of latitude is a reflection on both the value of your contributions and, I think, the patience of the community. However, there is a limit. Therefore, please take this as a friendly, but serious, warning: please stop overlinking. Your concerns seem quite reasonable; nevertheless, like everyone else, you need to follow the guideline. If you would like to propose changes to our existing guideline, you may do so at talk:Overlinking. This will (1) save the community time as we won't have to continue posting about it on your talk page; (2) save other editors time as they won't have to remove your overlinks; and (3) prevent you from being blocked. Thanks, Exploding Boy (talk) 23:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I have read with interest the overlinking guidelines and tried to take on board the comments above - from all sources. I can see the real logic in the linking guidelines - even though they 'cramp my style' - and I naturally always bend rules in most contexts, believing rules are 'for the guidance of wise men...' etc. I feel that Tivedshambo / Pek the penguin has used my linking hill, village etc, overlinking in his perception, as an excuse to bully me off 'his' articles and geographic area in a very immature way, rather like the largest toddler in the playpen and to threaten blocking (surely a last resort reaction and best deployed on genuine vandals at the very least) shows that he certainly doesnt have the interest of Wikipedia, his geographical 'heartland', his own areas of interest, the articles he has worked on or the valuable time of other editors at heart.

This is my offer - I will follow the guidelines on over linking, which I can see will benefit me and upgrade my work. After all I think that we all often see editors squabbling over petty territorial issues - to the detriment of many articles, regions and subjects etc and that needs to be addressed or normal, healthy editors will be driven off Wikipedia and it could be held up to ridicule. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 08:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bending the rules is quite permissible, both by the overlinking guideline and by WP:IAR. The way to avoid becoming embroiled in petty squabbles by people who feel they own articles is to discuss proposed changes on article talk pages. By gaining consensus the issue will often disappear, or it will turn out that editors actually agree with each other (shocking, I know). If you feel you are being bullied by editors who just want the whole playground for themselves, then there are other remedies. I'm not sure there's any way to eradicate that particular problem over the entire encyclopedia, unfortunately. Happy editing. Exploding Boy (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Block notification

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for repeated violation of WP:Overlinking. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.

I'm sorry it's come to this, but you cannot deny that you were given a fair chance. I'm also sorry you feel I'm bullying you, or trying to be protective about "my" articles - this is in no way the case. I'd be happy to see you make constructive improvements to any articles once your block has expired. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 19:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Check out my most recent edits. I had just taken on board the points you made - but you blocked me anyway. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 19:37, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

See [1] - links to common words like ducks and lakes do not improve the article. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 19:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

An article in that context about a country park mentioning how it was improved with the addition of the lake which attracted ducks - seems ok to me. What about in the same article me making Thomas Telford and Ellesmere canal linkable or introducing some additional photos through the geograph link? Or the welsh coal mines link? Or have you decided this isnt a two way street? Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 19:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh well Ive got other things to do! Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 19:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

If I could butt in here! I've just spotted this block while adding another comment to the page. Isn't this a bit harsh??? I've just looked through Jeremy's last few edits and can see nothing wrong! The internal links he placed in the Moss Valley, Wrexham article were essential (and something I'd missed!). I agree that some of the earlier edits were a bit over-the-top but that has now stopped! I think someone is making mountains out of molehills here? -- Maelor  20:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) The question you need to ask yourself is this: Would an average person know what is meant by the word or phrase I'm linking? The Thomas Telford and Ellesmere canal examples you gave are good links as a lot of people would not be aware of what these are. Words like ducks, lakes, etc, are words learnt in childhood, and therefore not required. May I suggest that you consider making other edits, like writing new text, rather than placing [[ and ]] round existing words. If you agree to do this, I'll be happy to remove your block. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 20:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

This block is grossly unfair in my view. Jeremy has now agreed to keep his linking within limits, and the fact that his limits are different to those of Tivedshambo is no justification for the harsh punishment of a block. This is not "vandalism", just a legitimate variation in the interpretation of a guideline (not a policy). The block should be withdrawn and Tivedshambo should consider whether, in this case, his/her actions have been proportionate. Jeremy - don't be put off by this, and come back soon. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

PS: Issue raised here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I've reduced the length of your block, as I'm convinced you're editing in good faith and have made some good contributions. I also apologise for the reference to vandalism, which I appreciate was not the case. However, please bear in mind everything that has been stated above and on WP:AN, particularly by Exploding Boy, and take time to consider links carefully in future. —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 05:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Morning all - just the outcome needed to settle things and what I anticpated waking up to - thanks. I think the block unfair, premeditated and overkill - however its good to know that blocking can be done and it will insure that I really take on board my new editing style. However bear with me it wont be perfect overnight. I obviously edit in good faith and no harm is done. I hope this is a new start. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 07:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Geograph links

Hi Jeremy. How about changing the wording of the links from:

*[http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=3538564 www.geograph.co.uk : photos of Pontfadog and surrounding area]

• www.geograph.co.uk : photos of Pontfadog and surrounding area

to

*[http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=3538564 Photos of Pontfadog and surrounding area on Geograph]

• Photos of Pontfadog and surrounding area on Geograph

I think it look tidier. What do you think?  Maelor  20:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Maelor - if you say so! Easily done. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 07:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Geograph links are unnecessary on articles with coordinates; the page linked to by the coordinates includes a link to Geograph. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 19:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Andy - I didnt actually know that - thanks. I followed the geo co-ordinates for a few of the articles I have recently added geograph links to and 1) found I had to search to locate the geograph link amongst a heck of a lot of other data 2) the geograph photos needed a few extra clicks to be brought up 3) the photos that came up were fewer in number and basically not as good as from an explicit geograph link (in a different format, fewer, lacking the scope of the more direct link). I will give this some thought but my initial reaction is to persist with an external link to geograph for the reasons stated. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 07:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not overly bothered, but I think you will find other editors will remove such links, I suggest you check the relevant policy. If ether is a problem with the images found by the auto-generated links, please report that at Template talk:GeoTemplate. Andy Mabbett (aka Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy Mabbett; Andy Mabbett's contributions 08:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Pound (village)

Thank you for your very useful edits to my little entry on village pounds. When I tried to link to a pound entry a while back I was gobsmacked to find every sort of pound represented except a village pound. The Geograph pound photos are wonderful. I didn't realise so many of these old structures still existed. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 11:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah looks like a very useful article could be worked in tracking down extant pounds and their village / locations. I have seen many out and about, most in good nick, and could be an interesting project. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Sir Trefor Williams

Hi Jeremy. Hope you don't mind me taking an interest, but I noticed that you've started a new article on this character. I don't know if you've thought about it, but have you considered submitting it as a "Did You Know" new article for the WP main page? If so, I've got a bit of experience there and I'd be happy to suggest a few formating changes which the article would need to pass muster - such as the title being changed to Trevor Williams (politician) - without the "Sir" and with the more usual (English) spelling, also inline references etc.. I've also got a book "Civil War and Restoration in Monmouthshire" by Jeremy Knight which mentions him a good deal. If you'd like me to help let me know, and I can give some time to it later this week (but not in the next day or two). Otherwise, just ignore me and carry on the good work (not too many links though!) Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Your interest is most welcome and Im sure we can lift the article as it stands by these means, that book sounds very useful, any formatting changes carry on, your very welcome. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There were a handful of existing redlinks to him as Sir Trevor Williams, 1st Baronet, so I've made a redirect from that to your new article for now. So that's another alternative article title. Redirects needed from all other possibilities, of course! PamD (talk) 07:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

And I'd have thought, like Ghmyrtle, that we should drop the "Sir"... till I look at Category:Baronets, where it seems to be standard! So I'd propose Sir Trevor Williams, 1st Baronet as the article title. PamD (talk) 07:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The guidance here suggests that, as he was a hereditary baronet (and contrary to what I wrote before) the title should indeed be as PamD suggests. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I have requested at WP:RM that this article be moved to Sir Trevor Williams, 1st Baronet. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes a pic would help. But may prove difficult to say the least. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 09:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Likewise PamD very thoughtful additions and links, much appreciated. Jeremy Bolwell (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There's mention of the baronetcy at Williams Baronets, with scope for some succession boxes for baronet and MPx2 with info from Monmouthshire (UK Parliament constituency) and Monmouth Boroughs (UK Parliament constituency). PamD (talk) 07:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

And for "how to do succession boxes"... have a look at Charles Somerset, Marquess of Worcester, and nick the relevant bits of code from that one! PamD (talk) 08:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I've made some editorial changes, as well as the move request (see above). Hope that doesn't tread on anyone's toes. I'll suggest it for "Did You Know" as well, as a multi-editor collaboration. Could do with succession boxes and an infobox maybe - I can't track down a picture of him though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)