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| Origin = [[San Francisco, California]], [[United States of America]]
| Genre = [[Black metal]]<br>[[Black ambient]]
| Years_active = [[1998]] - [[2007]]
| Label = [[Moribund Cult]]
| Associated_acts = Lurker of Chalice<br> [[Twilight (band)|Twilight]]
| URL = [http://moribundcult.com/ Official label site]
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'''Leviathan''' is an experimental/ambient [[black metal]] band formed in 1998 by main man Wrest (Jeff Whitehead). In Leviathan, Wrest records and plays all instruments including vocals entirely on his own. Additionally, Wrest has collaborated with the band [[Sunn O)))]], and is an active member of the U.S. [[black metal]] supergroup [[Twilight (band)|Twilight]]. He has stated in interviews that he has been playing drums longer than any other instrument and that the drums are his instrument of choice. Wrest also plays and records everything in his other project [[Lurker of Chalice]]. Regarding his writing, Wrest says that "...lyrics are important and also very hard for me... at times, the way things come out in words sounds like nonsense. I don't consider myself a poet by any means."
<ref name="Interview with Wrest for Metal-Only.com">[http://www.metal-only.com/index/Interviews/see/leviathan.htm#E Wrest Interview]</ref>


Leviathan's future is unknown at this point. Despite having early problems with the release of the newest album ''[[Massive Conspiracy Against All Life]]'', it was released March 24, 2008 in Europe and March 25th, 2008 in North America.
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== Picture ==
== Discography ==
=== Studio albums ===
* ''[[The Tenth Sub Level of Suicide]]'' - ([[2003]])
* ''[[Tentacles of Whorror]]'' - ([[2004]])
* ''[[Massive Conspiracy Against All Life]]'' - ([[2008]])


=== EPs ===
I think the front picture should be change. It should be a shot of her in her prime in the 80s or 90s. That is when she had her success and that is what people remember her by. The current picture doesn't really look like her. Her eyes look closed and you can't make out the details of her face. It just looks like any black woman. Also, there needs to be a picture in the Drug section. Readers need to know how far she fell. How about the Michael Jackson Appearence? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shoop85|Shoop85]] ([[User talk:Shoop85|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shoop85|contribs]]) 02:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* ''[[The Speed Of Darkness]]'' - ([[2006]])
* ''[[The Blind Wound]]'' - ([[2006]])


=== Split EPs ===
* ''[[Live In Eternal Sin / The Speed Of Darkness]]'' (Split w/ [[Iuvenes]] - ([[2003]])
* ''[[Crebain / Leviathan]]'' (Split w/ [[Crebain (band)|Crebain]]) - ([[2004]])
* ''[[Black Metal Against the World]]'' - ([[2004]])
* ''[[Leviathan / Xasthur]]'' (Split w/ [[Xasthur]]) - ([[2004]])
* ''[[Portrait in Scars]]'' [Split w/ [[Blackdeath]]) - ([[2005]])
* ''[[Leviathan / Sapthuran]]'' (Split w/ [[Sapthuran]]) - ([[2006]])
* ''[[Nachtmystium / Leviathan]]'' (Split w/ [[Nachtmystium]]) - (postponed)


=== Compilation albums ===
* ''[[Verräter]]'' (Two Disc) - ([[2002]])
* ''[[Demos Two Thousand]]'' - ([[2005]])
* ''[[A Silhouette in Splinters]]'' - ([[2005]])
* ''[[Howl Mockery At The Cross]]'' - ([[2005]])
* ''[[Destroyers From The Western Skies: As Night Devours The Sun]]'' - ([[2005]])
* ''[[Within the Church of Thee Overlords]]'' - ([[2007]])


=== Demos ===
I agree the photo should be changed as well. The photo from the pre-grammy party this year would be a great photo. http://www.whitney-fan.com/images/20080209/002.jpg <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.193.174.13|216.193.174.13]] ([[User talk:216.193.174.13|talk]]) 17:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
* ''[[THREE (Demo 3)]]'' - ([[1998]])
* ''[[Time End]]'' - ([[1998]])
* ''[[MisanthropicNecroBlasphemy]]'' - ([[2000]])
* ''[[Seven & Slaveship]]'' - ([[2000]])
* ''[[Shadows of No Light]]'' - ([[2000]])
* ''[[Video Brolo (Demo 8)]]'' - ([[2000]])
* ''[[Howl Mockery at the Cross (Demo)|Howl Mockery at the Cross]]'' - ([[2001]])
* ''[[Intolerance (XI)]]'' - ([[2001]])
* ''[[Nine (Inclement Derision)]]'' - ([[2001]])
* ''[[Sacrifice Love at the Altar of War]]'' - ([[2001]])
* ''[[Ten (Demo)|Ten]]'' - ([[2001]])
* ''[[The 10th Sub Level Of Suicide (Demo)|The 10th Sub Level Of Suicide]]'' - ([[2002]])
* ''[[White Devil, Black Metal]]'' - ([[2002]])
* ''[[XV (Demo)|XV]]'' - ([[2002]])


== Lineup ==
::the current picture should be replaced with one where her boobies are more covered up. [[Special:Contributions/75.45.193.143|75.45.193.143]] ([[User talk:75.45.193.143|talk]]) 01:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
=== Current members ===
{{Cleanup|date=August 2007}}
* Wrest (Jef Whitehead) – all instruments, voices, sounds


Wrest is the pseudonym adopted by Jef Whitehead, mastermind behind one man bands Leviathan and Lurker of Chalice. He is also a member of the USBM collective [[Twilight (band)|Twilight]] performing various roles including drumming, as well as a renowned [[tattoo artist]] in San Francisco.
== Incorrect ==


==References==
First of all how can both "One Wish" ''and'' "Just Whitney" both be her lowest selling album? Surely, only one can be. Secondly, "Just Whitney" did not fall off the charts after a ''disastrous'' Prime Time interview. She did the interview ''before'' the album was released (so that's incorrect), and the interview was the highest rated television interview in history so I'm sure NBC and Whitney would balk at your claim of disastrous. When the album was released if debuted in the Top Ten and had her highest first week sales ever. The album simply fell off due to lack of promotion from an LA Reid ran-Arista. In fact, many artists at that time had underachieving releases: Madonna, Mariah Carey, Mary J Blige, TLC, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morrisette, Janet Jackson... the list goes on and on and on. So it's incorrect to blame the interview for the album's performance. In fact, ''because'' of the interview, that may have been why she had her highest first week sales. And why this big section about her father trying to sue her, and her being booed at the Soul Train Awards in (what! 1989?). Mariah Carey has been dragged into court numerous times, accused of stealing somebody's songs; and Mariah was sued by her mother and sister but that's not in her article. How about a little fairness people. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.192.176.30|66.192.176.30]] ([[User talk:66.192.176.30|talk]]) 04:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== External links ==
* [http://www.tumult.net/catalog/leviathan.html Original Label Site]
* [http://moribundcult.com/ Official Label Site]
* [http://www.metalcrypt.com/pages/interviewsframe.php?intid=136 Interview With Wrest]
* [http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=9562 Leviathan on Encyclopaedia Metallum]


[[Category:California heavy metal musical groups]]
Well One Wish is a Xmas album so it isn't expected to sell much, whereas Just WHitney definitely is the lowest selling since it was a studio album.
[[Category:American black metal musical groups]]
[[Category:California musical groups]]
[[Category:Musical groups established in 1998]]


[[fr:Leviathan (groupe)]]
And Just Whitney did fall off the charts thanks to the interview, since that interview showed how bad her public image was and she admitted to drugs, thats the reason why radio refused top play her songs. And if she wasn't on drugs, she could have promoted better, thats not the labels fault though. No matter how much promotion you do, if you admit to using drugs and deny you have an addiction, you're not gonna sell.
[[it:Leviathan (gruppo musicale)]]

[[fi:Leviathan (yhtye)]]
And the Soul Train mention is needed, because she WAS critized for not being black enough, thats a fact and all her documentaries mention it, why should this be an exception? That critism shaped her musical and even personal choices after it too.


Actually, the interview is not why it fell off the charts. If you pay attention, the week after the interview she had her highest first-week sales ever with over 200,000 copies sold. It initially made people curious, circuses can do that. It wasn't until there was no promo following it, that the album flopped. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.136.138.212|75.136.138.212]] ([[User talk:75.136.138.212|talk]]) 19:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

That's true. The high rated interview spawned sales. But there was no follow up promotion by Arista, ran by LA Reid at the time. He also did little promo for Toni Braxton and TLC, chosing instead to sink the money into current projects by Usher, Pink, and Outkast. Whitney did her part, I saw her on numerous shows, music videos, Boston Public, etc. But regardless of how big and famous you are, you are not going to sell well without promotion. It's actually to her credit that she went platinum in the U.S. and sold three million worldwide without much promotion by the label.

== Introduction ==

What happened to the introduction? Its suppose to give a brief summary of her career and legacy, while highlighting her most famouse peaks and lows. This one does NOT. Instead, it seems like some fan has just randomly added a bunch of records and it has no flow whatsoever. I think the administrater needs to give this person a warning. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shoop85|Shoop85]] ([[User talk:Shoop85|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shoop85|contribs]]) 03:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> Hi just read what Whitney Houstons Hits were number one in New Zealand. I can say that in addition to I will always love you and I wanna dance with somebody, My love is your love and Exhale also hit the top spot here in New Zealand. Thanks thats all. if you want proof go to nzcharts.com


Genres

Why isnt Soul included as one of her genres?? she is one of the most recognized soul artists. And Jazz too, most of her earlier songs where jazz influenced. What genre can one put the song tell me no?? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.240.136.137|65.240.136.137]] ([[User talk:65.240.136.137|talk]]) 15:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Miscarriage - appropiate?==

I understand that it is public knowledge because the media reported it, but is it really necessary to have that bit about her miscarriages? Is this truly encyclopedic knowledge or tabloid fodder? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.225.210.77|71.225.210.77]] ([[User talk:71.225.210.77|talk]]) 03:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I think it is appropriate. Its was widely publisized and I think it proves that despite all of Bobby's bad behavior, she was committed to this relationship and really wanted to raise a family. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dswhite85|Dswhite85]] ([[User talk:Dswhite85|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dswhite85|contribs]]) 17:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Girl !

Whitney Houston: reading in the sites of: Mariah Carey: Wikipedia: the free encyclopedia: discussion: you must to search: written a few minutes ago: Gretchen Wilson: Wikpedia, the free encyclopedia: December 2, 2007: you are my girl: girl you know it´s true: Mariah Carey=Whitney Houston=Kreira Knightley=Nadiya: now you know: step into your own life ! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.62.18.30|91.62.18.30]] ([[User talk:91.62.18.30|talk]]) 13:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.240.136.137|65.240.136.137]] ([[User talk:65.240.136.137|talk]]) 15:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Any talk of miscarriages don't belong here. That's more for a website like, oh I don't know, I'll make something up; "Tabloidfodder.com". Unless a doctor was telling her at that time that she could never have children and she was trying and kept miscarrying, then maybe it could be included under those circumstances. But if she just miscarried, than it doesn't need to be here. I want everyone to know I'm neutral when I say this: But how can miscarriages be included in Whitney's article but, say, Mariah Carey has been pulled into court on numerous occassions for stealing songs, and that doesn't appear in her article? Something like that should definetly be mentioned. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.39.149.13|216.39.149.13]] ([[User talk:216.39.149.13|talk]]) 06:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The wikipedia is not [[WP:censor|censored]]. If you are adding anything that you may think might be inappropriate, take a second to read that page and then realize, that if its a fact, then its okay. As long as something that you add has a reputable fact, no [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]], its okay to make a section about. <b><span style= "font-family: papyrus; color:#00C000"> [[User:Dillard421|✬Dillard421✬]] <sup>([[User talk:Dillard421|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dillard421|contribs]])</sup></span></b> 15:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== John Houston Dispute ==

I think this section either needs to be removed or expanded on. There is so much missing information. It was both her dad and Kvin Skinner, they got her out of the Hawaiin pot bust and got her the new contract, it was never really confirmed whose side the dad was on. All this stuff is missing! Also, the dad NEVER appeared on TV, he was dying, thats a lie. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dswhite85|Dswhite85]] ([[User talk:Dswhite85|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dswhite85|contribs]]) 16:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Osama bin Laden ==

Is there any relationship between [[Whitney Houston]] and [[Osama bin Laden]]? [[Special:Contributions/118.71.150.180|118.71.150.180]] ([[User talk:118.71.150.180|talk]]) 02:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

<That's a stupid question> Do you think there is?


Actually, one of bin Laden's former "girlfriends" said that he believed Houston to be the most beautiful women he'd ever seen and was obsessed with her.[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=401627&in_page_id=1773] --[[User:Acero2310|Acero2310]] ([[User talk:Acero2310|talk]]) 08:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

== #1 Singles? ==

Is this section really necessary? Other similar artists (Madonna, Mariah Carey) don't have this section. I'm putting in it in the Discography Article.
[[User:Shoop85|Shoop85]] ([[User talk:Shoop85|talk]]) 20:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Shoop85

== New Album Release Date ==

When is the true release? In the introduction, it is cited that the album will be in stores in october, however, when i read the source, there was no topic about it, only saying that whitney has been recording... then, in the New beginnings- 2006 section, it was said that in jet magazine, her album will be available in april...

When is the true release date? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.54.68.114|121.54.68.114]] ([[User talk:121.54.68.114|talk]]) 00:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Clive has said during some Pre-Grammy party feature that he expects it out the first half of November 08. I can't find the source right now so I cant add it to the page. [[User:WhitneyWorld|WhitneyWorld]] ([[User talk:WhitneyWorld|talk]]) 03:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)WhitneyWorld.

Clive constantly talks about the release date yet there is ample proof that the final songs for the album have not been chosen?

I think her time has past her by just as Carey album and general sales are steadily declining. Singers like Houston and Carey do not last long because they have voices but no talent to use them.

== www.whitney.jimdo.com - The ultimate Whitney Houston-Fanpage ==

I´m proudly present you exclusively my new Whitney-Fanpage

www.whitney-jimdo.com

Hope you enjoy? It was very nice when this site has a link here on Whitney`s Wikipedia site. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Souldivo|Souldivo]] ([[User talk:Souldivo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Souldivo|contribs]]) 19:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Caudwell Children's Legend Ball ==

Should this be added - reported perfromance is May 8, 2008. [http://www.caudwellchildren.com/] and [http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur41361.cfm]
[[User:Shakir|Shakir]] ([[User talk:Shakir|talk]]) 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Randy Cunningham??? ==

Whitney Houston was "romantically linked to American football star" Randall Cunningham, not convicted felon and former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham. Why hasn't anyone noticed this before? [[Special:Contributions/216.235.157.18|216.235.157.18]] ([[User talk:216.235.157.18|talk]]) 15:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Chris, April 9, 2008

== picture ==

someone please find a better picture of her! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.166.203.173|68.166.203.173]] ([[User talk:68.166.203.173|talk]]) 04:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It is horrible with those boobies. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/Iggy Ax|Iggy Ax]] ([[User talk:Iggy Ax|talk]]) 14:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: I agree, that picture is not appropriate due to the way the camera caught her. Seems to me someone is just trying to be funny.

== CHARITY GIG ==

I think it should be mentioned that just as recently as March 2008, Whitney was offered $3 million dollars to perform for one hour at a London charity event. Why is this not in the article? It shows her place in the music industry, and even though she hasn't released and album in six years, she is still offered $3 million for an hour-long performance. Actually, I'm surprised this is not already in the article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.192.176.30|66.192.176.30]] ([[User talk:66.192.176.30|talk]]) 18:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: As much as I agree about her deserved place in the music industry, there is no consistent figure quoted for her performance, nor was it officially disclosed. The performance, however, has been cited as fantastic, and therefore should be mentioned, as was the Kuala Lampur one. Though stating that she was paid $3 million is more speculation than fact <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Brendand|Brendand]] ([[User talk:Brendand|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Brendand|contribs]]) 15:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

A mention of this really needs to be in the article. Most performers make $3 million after a full blown tour over various cities with numerous performance, and she makes it with one 60-minute concert. Numerous websites have reported on it, so this goes beyond speculation. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.192.176.30|66.192.176.30]] ([[User talk:66.192.176.30|talk]]) 20:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Greatest Love Of All Discription ==

I feel that describing it as a 'black pride' anthem is not the most flattering for the meaning & power of the song. It could be described more as an inspirational anthem or just a power ballad anthem. Signing it to one group & not others, is not neutral. Please someone edit this out. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jessicarabit|Jessicarabit]] ([[User talk:Jessicarabit|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jessicarabit|contribs]]) 00:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::Done.[[User:Jkolak|Jkolak]] ([[User talk:Jkolak|talk]]) 04:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== I Will Always Love You used in the Christian, Lion Cub reunion video ==

After reading about all of Whitney Houston's work with charities, I was wondering if someone knows how the subject item came about? It was very generous of Ms. Houston + record company to allow the use of this song in the video if this was the case. What a perfect combination! What an excellent way to bring attention to the good work done for animal conservation.[[Special:Contributions/79.160.102.44|79.160.102.44]] ([[User talk:79.160.102.44|talk]]) 02:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Anita Sørhaug (Norway)

== Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah? ==

The traditional hymn is Guide Us, O Thou Great Jehovah as reported in Wiki hymnal articles. Does anyone know if Whitney used a variant version changed for a particular hymnal, or if it was changed especially for her performance?[[User:Jkolak|Jkolak]] ([[User talk:Jkolak|talk]]) 04:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== Robyn Crawford ==

Why does the text assert that Whitney was romantically involved with Robyn, and then cite the Rolling Stone interview where she most emphatically denies it? Surely this is a violation of the Wikipedia Living Persons biography policy. If facts substantiate the allegation, it should be cited. Otherwise the allegation should be deleted.[[User:Jkolak|Jkolak]] ([[User talk:Jkolak|talk]]) 04:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

==Whitney Houston: The Voice; Obvious POV==
Who the hell added this section? It sounds like some crazed Whitney fan trying to make her into the greatest singer of all time. This is blatant POV pushing if I've ever seen it and goes against Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Someone please either take it down or edit it so it looks like a professional vocal profile. <span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.26.190.173|72.26.190.173]] ([[User talk:72.26.190.173|talk]]) 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== She is totally SOPRANO ==

Whoever keeps changing it, you really need to leave voice type as Soprano not mezzo, she can go up high.


She is a mezzo-soprano, sorry. [http://www.musicstarx.net/biography/biography-whitney-houston/] [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 17:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Sorry, she's a soprano. Your source used an old Wikipedia page. Compare: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Houston&oldid=65312059] to [http://www.musicstarx.net/biography/biography-whitney-houston/] <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:5 octaves|5 octaves]] ([[User talk:5 octaves|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/5 octaves|contribs]]) 20:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Sorry again, [http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:K5hjt1Z5WNgJ:whitney-houston.lyric-collection.com/whitney-houston-lyrics-3.htm+whitney+houston+mezzo-soprano&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=62&gl=us&client=firefox-a ] <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tribal44|contribs]]) 21:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Sorry, your new source was also from an old Wikipedia site.[[User:5 octaves|5 octaves]] ([[User talk:5 octaves|talk]]) 21:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dispute ==

Before I request protection for this page for a the dispute, I'll give the two involved editors a chance to hash this out. I want to remind ALL parties that incivility will not be tolerated and if anyone reverts anything while this discussion is ongoing, all bets are off. Now....there seems to be some disagreement over Houston's vocal range and the sources being used to back up those claims. Can someone please provide the sources that are being used and I'll have a look at them. [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] ([[User talk:Pinkadelica|talk]]) 22:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


Here are my sources: [http://www.musicstarx.net/biography/biography-whitney-houston/] [http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:K5hjt1Z5WNgJ:whitney-houston.lyric-collection.com/whitney-houston-lyrics-3.htm+whitney+houston+mezzo-soprano&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=62&gl=us&client=firefox-a] [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 23:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Here are mine: [http://www.whitney-fan.com/nr/misc/98/024.shtml] (This was a Miami Herald aricle posted on a Whitney fansite)

:Ok, I checked all three sources (thanks for providing them) and I have a problem with all three. The first one (from musicstarx.net) appears to be a blog of some sort which isn't reliable by Wikipedia standards. In fact, it seems like it was copied from Wikipedia at some point. There's even a "Contents [hide]" (which is ''very'' Wikipedia-ish) part at the end of the first paragraph which would indicate that it was at least copied from here or another site similar to Wikipedia at some point in time. I'd be more inclined to use that as a source if it were written by a music authority, but as far as I can tell, that's not the case. The second source appears to be an unofficial fansite/lyrics site that is now defunct (which probably explains why it's from the Google cache). That is '''not'' reliable in any way, shape or form. As for the ''Miami Herald'' article on the Whitney fansite, I find that questionable. It was submitted by a fan which is fine, but it says at the top that it was edited. I don't know if that means that parts were left out or if someone added something to it (doubtful, but it is unclear). I would feel more confident about using that as a source if a photocopy or scan were provided, but that isn't the case. If I were doing a verifiability check on the article and found these sources, I would definitely remove the first two and probably question the third and ask for a backup source. I suggest finding new references because the first two can't be used and the third is, at best, questionable.

:I didn't ask earlier, but looking back at the history, I gather this dispute is over whether Houston is a soprano or a mezzo-soprano. I did a little digging and found that she has been classified as a mezzo-soprano in two different sources. In the book ''Pocket Karaoke'', she is classified as such [http://books.google.com/books?id=h4rPmHsVnB0C&pg=PA81&dq=Mezzo-Soprano+whitney+houston&ei=8dvmSKW4D4qEywS7pclx&sig=ACfU3U2PO1F_Qb2BPdltU6uJMClYVJQW3w see here via Google books]. She is also (seemingly) noted as such in another book, ''Rock 'n' Roll Gold Rush'' ([http://books.google.com/books?id=ojHgcPQGoLQC&pg=PA487-IA6&dq=mezzo+Soprano+whitney+houston&ei=6NzmSP6QC5bQzATnjahy&sig=ACfU3U2hqx3Uaq4q2YWdr93l-saFqnGj-Q another Google books link]). Personally, I'm not please with the two book sources either as I'd rather have something that explicitly state her voice type, but I was in a hurry. I'm about to do a more extensive search and I encourage you both to do the same. If no other sources can be found, I think classifying Houston as a mezzo-soprano is probably the best recourse. However, I'm not ruling out the soprano classification either (forgive me if I'm using incorrect terminology here), but with no reliable sources, we have to go with what can be reliably sourced. Again, I encourage you both to look for additional sources. We're not looking for a plethora of sources here, just one or two that are reliable and explicitly state what the content states. [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] ([[User talk:Pinkadelica|talk]]) 03:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Is it possible that Houston started out a soprano and her voiced changed? I'm finding some conflicting reports that state her voice has deepened due to age and "other things". If this is the case, shouldn't ''both'' types be listed or is that simply not possible? [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] ([[User talk:Pinkadelica|talk]]) 03:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, here's the original Miami Herald article. It's the same thing that was on the other website. it might not show everything because you have to pay for it. Here it is: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=MH&s_site=miami&p_multi=MH&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB4DB43E05327A8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM[[Special:Contributions/69.250.190.172|69.250.190.172]] ([[User talk:69.250.190.172|talk]]) 20:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Thank you! Now on to find a source of her true voice :} [[User:Tribal44|Tribal44]] ([[User talk:Tribal44|talk]]) 16:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Whitney started out as a soprano. Her voice changed and is now a mezzo-soprano. I don't have the sources but it's true regardless. But at the end of the day. why does it even matter? Who cares what voice type she is? Can we just leave that part out. Same with octaves. Who cares how many octaves she has? Lets just stick with important facts. Also I think this page does need its page protection back. Ever since it was removed, people have been adding silly drug comments like writing in "crack head" to her occupations. It is annoying to keep having to fix those immature vandalism.[[User:Shoop85|Shoop85]] ([[User talk:Shoop85|talk]]) 03:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Shoop85

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Leviathan

Leviathan is an experimental/ambient black metal band formed in 1998 by main man Wrest (Jeff Whitehead). In Leviathan, Wrest records and plays all instruments including vocals entirely on his own. Additionally, Wrest has collaborated with the band Sunn O))), and is an active member of the U.S. black metal supergroup Twilight. He has stated in interviews that he has been playing drums longer than any other instrument and that the drums are his instrument of choice. Wrest also plays and records everything in his other project Lurker of Chalice. Regarding his writing, Wrest says that "...lyrics are important and also very hard for me... at times, the way things come out in words sounds like nonsense. I don't consider myself a poet by any means." [1]

Leviathan's future is unknown at this point. Despite having early problems with the release of the newest album Massive Conspiracy Against All Life, it was released March 24, 2008 in Europe and March 25th, 2008 in North America.

Discography

Studio albums

EPs

Split EPs

Compilation albums

Demos

Lineup

Current members

  • Wrest (Jef Whitehead) – all instruments, voices, sounds

Wrest is the pseudonym adopted by Jef Whitehead, mastermind behind one man bands Leviathan and Lurker of Chalice. He is also a member of the USBM collective Twilight performing various roles including drumming, as well as a renowned tattoo artist in San Francisco.

References

  1. ^ Wrest Interview

External links

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