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'''Crocs Inc. '''({{nasdaq|CROX}}) is a shoe manufacturer founded by entrepreneur George B. Boedecker., Jr to produce and distribute a plastic clog originally acquired from a Canadian company. Originally developed as a spa shoe, the first model, the Crocs ''Beach'', was unveiled in November 2002 at the [[Ft. Lauderdale]] Boat Show, selling out the 200 pairs produced at that time.<ref name="philly">[http://www.philly.com/philly/phillywomen/20070705_Fashion_Attack.html Fashion Attack], Elizabeth Wellington, Philadelphia Inquirer, [[2007-07-05]]. Retrieved [[2007-08-25]].</ref>


The product line has remained popular, and has the characteristics of a sustained [[fad]], with both ardent support<ref>[http://www.crocfans.com crocfans.com] CrocFans website.</ref> and disapproval.<ref name="ihatecrocs">{{cite web |url=http://ihatecrocsblog.blogspot.com/ |title=I Hate Crocs dot com |accessdate=2007-08-13}}</ref>


Crocs has been the title sponsor of the [[Association of Volleyball Professionals]] (AVP) Tour since 2006.
== Beastie Boys? ==
Since when can they be considered a heavy influence on your arse?!?! Also, calling Run DMC an influence on gangsta rap yet not mentioning Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five is sort of backwards. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:DASA2|DASA2]] ([[User talk:DASA2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DASA2|contribs]]) 21:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


==Company history==
:Can someone make a good case for the Beastie Boys? They were certainly early and quick onto trends, and I'm pretty sure gangsta rappers took ideas from the Beasties, but (persona aside) how were the the Beasties ''innovators''? Much of ''License To Ill'' (for instance) is very similiar to contemporary stuff on Def Jam by other artists.
In June 2002, Boedecker used a company he had previously formed called Western Brands<ref>[http://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/BusinessEntityHistory.do?quitButtonDestination=BusinessEntityDetail&pi1=1&entityId2=19991208034&masterFileId=19991208034&srchTyp=ENTITY Western Brands]</ref> to start a shoe company that eventually became known as Crocs, Inc. Boedecker had been approached earlier that same year to produce and distribute a shoe originally developed by Fin Project NA (now Foam Creations Inc.), a company based out of [[Quebec City]], Canada<ref>{{cite web|title=Burning Rubber|publisher=5280 Magazine|url=http://www.5280.com/issues/2008/0806/feature.php?pageID=1154|accessdate=2008-07-07}}</ref>. In September of 2002, Western Brands obtained the rights to the name Crocs.com. In October of 2002, Anthony H. Kruse and Sandstone Ventures, LLC invested additional money and joined Boedecker as owners of Crocs. On that same date, Boedecker hired Blake Anderson, Scott Seamans, Ronald Oliver, George Foti, and Lyndon Victor Hanson III who entered into employment agreements where they could earn a non-voting, profit sharing interest if they continued their employment.<ref>{{cite web|title=When Crocs Attack; a shoe tale|Publisher=Money Magazine|url=http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/02/magazines/business2/crocs_whatworks.biz2/|accessdate=2008-08-04}}</ref>
:As for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, they are listed, but they're an influence on ''all'' rap. It's a bit like listing Chuck Berry as an influence. / [[User:Edgarde|edgarde]] 17:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
After unparalleled success, George B. Boedecker, Jr. amicably resigned as chief executive officer and from the Crocs Board of Directors to pursue philanthropic activities and other business interests including the distributorship of Crocs in Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic and airport kiosks worldwide.


==Manufacture and patents==
== Gang violence, inner city poverty, crime ==
In June 2004, Crocs purchased Foam Creations and their manufacturing operations to secure exclusive rights to the proprietary [[foam]] [[resin]] "croslite", which is made using [[ethylene vinyl acetate]]<ref>{{cite web|last=Maniscalco |first=Michelle| title=E-shots Web-exclusive: Patent check: What's in a Croc? |publisher=Injection Molding Magazine |url=http://www.immnet.com/articles=?article=3109 |date=March, 2007 |accessdate=2007-07-31}}</ref><ref>{{cite patent|US|6993858}}</ref>. The foam forms itself to a wearer's feet and offers purported medical benefits, according to a number of [[podiatrist]]s.<ref name="huget">{{cite news |url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/31/AR2006073100890.html |title="Not Such A Croc" |publisher=Washington Post |pages=HE01 |date=[[1 August]] [[2006]] |accessdate=2007-08-13}}</ref><ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20060629020346/http://biz.yahoo.com/e/060331/crox10-k.html Form 10-K for Crocs Inc. (archive)] Crocs 2006 Annual Report. Yahoo!Finance. March 31, 2006. accessed [[2007-04-29]].</ref>
Should "[[Gang violence]], [[inner city]] [[poverty]], [[crime]]" remain in [[Gangsta rap#Gangsta_rap.27s_original_major_influences|Gangsta rap's original major influences]] list? Obviously these things are lyrical concerns, but I think the "Influences" list is more about musical style influences. / [[User:Edgarde|edgarde]] 17:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
HECK YEAH THEY SHOULD! Have you ever seen rappers that are not in poverty, crime, the inner city, that don't want to kill people? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.37.27.180|74.37.27.180]] ([[User talk:74.37.27.180|talk]]) 05:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Crocs holds four patents covering various utility aspects of its footwear, U.S. Patent No. [http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US6993858 6993858] B2 issued February 7, 2006, and U.S. Patent Nos. [http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=USD517788 D517788,], [http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=USD517789 D517789] and [http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=USD517790 D517790] issued on March 28, 2006. The Company also announced that it has filed complaints with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) and the U.S. Federal District Court against 11 companies that manufacture, import or distribute products called Crock-offs that Crocs believes infringe its patents.<ref>[http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/14/0001104659-06-054218/Section13.asp CROCS, INC.
==Ghetto Boys & Gangsta Rap==
Form:10-Q] Filing Date:8/14/2006.</ref>


==Acquisitions==
please explain to me why geto boys aren't listed and why are the artists called "instigators" that reeks of spiteful bias.furthermore why no one brings up the fact that gangsta rap also has socio political undertones to it??? [[User:Blackdragon6]]
[[Image:CrocsAccessories.jpg|thumb|250px|Various types of Crocs with accessories]]
On [[October 3]] [[2006]], Crocs purchased Jibbitz, a manufacturer of accessories that snap into the holes in Crocs, for [[United States dollar|US$]]10 million.
On [[July 30]], [[2007]] Crocs agreed to buy Bite Footwear, based out of [[Redmond]], [[Washington_state|Washington]]<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2007/07/30/daily1.html?ana=from_rss|title=Crocs will buy Wash. shoemaker|accessdate=2008-08-04|publisher=Denver Business Journal|date=2007-07-30}}</ref>


==Health and safety==
maybe because they aren't important enough? We can't list every rapper on here after all.
Footwear such as Crocs and flip-flops came under scrutiny in 2006 when children suffered injuries after the shoes became caught in [[escalator]] mechanisms.<ref name="ABC-Snow">[http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Consumer/story?id=2530368&page=1 Crocs can pose a danger on escalators] ''ABC News.'' Kate Snow, [[October 5]], [[2006]], accessed [[2007-04-19]].</ref> This was due to the softness of the shoe's material combined with the relatively smaller size of children's feet.<ref name="WMC-TV">[http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=5441435 Experts recommend caution while wearing clogs] ''WMC-TV Memphis Tennessee.'' [[September 21]], [[2006]], accessed [[2007-04-19]].</ref>


Rapid City Regional Hospital in Rapid City, South Dakota changed its dress code in 2007 to prohibit the sandal variants, along with those with Jibbitz holes, citing safety concerns, but still allowed closed-top "Professional" and the healthcare focused "Rx" Crocs to be worn.<ref name="Holey">
:[[Ghetto Boys]] are frequently appended to the ''Early'' list. I'm no expert, but I think they made a spash at the time &mdash; one party line was GB were the real thing and N.W.A were a hype (though I don't wish to debate that point, thanks).
[http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2007/02/01/news/top/news05.txt Holey Crocs get the boot at Regional Hospital] Mary Garrigan, ''Rapid City Journal'', [[February 1]], [[2007]], accessed [[2007-04-18]].</ref> [[Blekinge]] hospital in Sweden has banned the wearing of "Foppatoffels" (Swedish nickname derived from the owner of the company that imports the shoes, [[Peter Forsberg|Peter "Foppa" Forsberg]]) by hospital staff, due to the concern that the shoes may build up [[static electricity]] and thus interfere with electronic equipment.<ref name="TheLocal">
[http://www.thelocal.se/7034/20070418/ Swedish hospital to ban 'Foppatoffels'] ''The Local(Sweden)'', [[April 18]], [[2007]], accessed on [[April 20]], [[2007]].</ref><ref name="GuardianUK">[http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2061288,00.html Plastic clogs disrupt machinery in Swedish hospital] ''Guardian Unlimited ([[Associated Press|AP]])'', [[April 19]], [[2007]], accessed [[April 19]], [[2007]].</ref> Vienna's city hospitals said they were banning popular Crocs plastic clogs, often worn by nursing staff, as they may pose safety risks for patients.<ref name="GuardianZA">[http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-08-12-vienna-hospitals-ban-crocs Vienna hospitals ban Crocs] ''Mail & Guardian Online'', [[August 12]], [[2008]], accessed [[August 13]], [[2008]].</ref>


The [[Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services]] has approved a model of Crocs with molded insoles as [[diabetic footwear]], which help wearers avoid foot injuries.<ref>[http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_9915938 Crocs get a lift from diabetics as medical agency OKs footwear]</ref>
:Would someone consider adding a well-sourced mention of [[Ghetto Boys]] to the article, preferably emphasizing their influence? I think they're a few months too late to be ''Early''. (I'd be careful about adding anything after N.W.A made it big, roughly <s>1987-88</s> 1989.) / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 14:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


== Fashion, media and stock price ==
This is kind of dumb and emberassing: you put Beastie Boys in there who have absolutely no affiliation with Gangsta Rap yet you are not putting Geto Boys in there. That's pathetic. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.237.191.42|68.237.191.42]] ([[User talk:68.237.191.42|talk]]) 01:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
[[Image:RTBM-07-08-24.jpg|right|thumb|Bill Maher New Rule: Stop wearing plastic shoes]]
While some regard Crocs shoes as comfortable and colorfully decorated, others see them as a fashion disaster, and a sub culture has emerged of people who vocally oppose the shoes. A [[Washington Post]] article described the phenomenon: "Nor is the fashion world enamored of Crocs. Though their maker touts their 'ultra-hip Italian styling,' lots of folks find them hideous."<ref name="huget"/> A [[blog]] named "[http://ihatecrocs.com I Hate Crocs dot com]." follows Croc opponents periodically.<ref name="ihatecrocs"/> There is a group on [[Facebook]] dedicated to eliminating the shoes.<ref>[http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2204667614&ref=mf dedicated to eliminating the shoe]</ref> The shoes have been targets of satire: on ''[[Real Time with Bill Maher]]'', Maher called for a "New rule: stop wearing plastic shoes," over a photo of Crocs,<ref name="RTWBM">{{cite episode|title=August 24, 2007|series=Real Time with Bill Maher|serieslink=Real Time with Bill Maher|airdate=2007-08-24|season=10|number=1|network=HBO|minutes=51.5|url=http://www.hbo.com/billmaher }} "It was only a year ago when only pre-schoolers and mental patients wore these. But now grownups, all over America, have gone Croc crazy. The latest step in our unending quest to dress as casually as humanly possible. You know, I used to wear flip-flops, but they were a little dressy. I want clothing I can hose down! Admit it: we're a nation of slobs who won't be happy until we can go to the mall in a diaper."</ref> and ''[[The Daily Show]]'' "Senior Public Restroom Correspondant" Rob Corddry, following up on the Senator [[Larry Craig]] June 2007 lewd conduct arrest, "reported" that anyone wearing Crocs is signalling "anything goes."<ref name="TDS">{{cite episode|title=September 10, 2007|series=The Daily Show with Jon Stewart|serieslink=The Daily Show|airdate=2007-09-10|season=|number=|network=Comedy Central|minutes=10|url=http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml }} "...Oh, and Jon, anyone in those brightly colored plastic Crocs? That means anything goes. We're talking hardcore ass-[censored] stuff - [[scat play]]. And Jon, that's not just in bathrooms. Anytime you see anyone wearing crocs, be aware. ... If they're wearing Crocs, they are soliciting incredibly depraved gay sex. You can take that to the bank."</ref> Commentators have noted that social networking sites are collectively allowing individuals to share their distaste for Crocs<ref name="NYTW">[http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/magazine/15wwln-consumed-t.html?ex=1342065600&en=777eba4c1b67c6d7&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg Croc On]; Rob Walker, ''New York Times Magazine'', [[2007-07-15]]</ref>. Crocs are #6 on the "Worst" list of Maxim's "The 10 Best & Worst Things to Happen to Men in 2007."<ref>{{cite web | url = http://www.maxim.com/The10bestandworstthingstohappentomenin2007/articles/2/10316.aspx | title = The 10 Best and Worst Things to Happen to Men in 2007 | accessdate = 2007-12-25 | publisher = [[Maxim Magazine]] }}</ref>


On October 31st, 2007 the stock CROX dropped from $75 per share to slightly under $40 (its value six months previously) when the company announced decreased revenue projections.
== Gangster rap or not? ==
<ref>[http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CROX&t=1y CROX: Basic Chart for CROCS, INC. - Yahoo! Finance<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
<ref name="crocsmover">[http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071101/crocs_mover.html?.v=2 Crocs Shares Plummet on 3Q Results]; Yahoo Finance News(AP), [[2007-11-01]]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2007/11/01/crocs-chokes.aspx Crocs Chokes<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/retail/10387662.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&amp;cm_cat=FREE&amp;cm_ite=NA TheStreet.com : Crocs Gets Stomped | Retail | CROX<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
<ref>http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071101/crocs_ahead_of_the_bell.html?.v=1</ref>
<ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKBNG16526220071031?rpc=44 UPDATE 2-Crocs outlook lags Wall Street, shares tumble | Markets | Markets News | Reuters<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
<ref>[http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/30/crox-footwear-shoes-pf-ii-in_gy_1030soapbox_inl.html?partner=yahootix Crocs Eats Shorts - Forbes.com<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
On April 14th, 2008, the stock dropped 30% in after-hours trading after the company issued a press release in which they significantly guided down earnings estimates for the first quarter. In the same statement they also said they would fire its 600 Quebec City factory employees as retailers have been reducing orders, though about 100 sales and marketing positions will remain. "The retail environment in the U.S. has become increasingly challenging as consumer spending and traffic levels have slowed," Chief Executive Officer Ron Snyder said.


On October 10th 2008, six months after the sharp fall of April 14th 2008, the share price was $1.90 having been steadily falling throughout the [[Credit Crunch]] period.
Some guy around here edited the page because he thinks that Schoolly D is NOT a gangster rapper but rather only a hardcore rapper. I find this claim quite absurd, as Schoolly D's wikipedia article says he pioneered gangster rap, but what do you guys think? This guy seems to think that Ice-T did pioneer gangster rap as he pretty much followed the steps of Schoolly D..


==Products==
:Per above, I agree with categorizing Schoolly under [[Hardcore rap]]. I'd like to find the context for that Ice-T quote, but even as quoted on the [[Schoolly D]] article, T seems to think he took it over a line Schoolly hadn't quite crossed.
[[Image:Crocs.jpg|thumb|200px|right|A Crocs display in a shop]]
:Whatever. I'll say I don't think that part of this article should be changed. &mdash; [[User:Edgarde|edgarde]] 09:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Crocs come in a variety of styles. They are usually manufactured in [[Peoples Republic of China|China]], but they are also made in [[Florida]], [[Mexico]], [[Romania]], [[Italy]], [[Brazil]], [[Bosnia]] and [[Canada]].{{Fact|date=August 2007}}


The shoes are produced in a wide array of colors depending on the model. The Beach and Cayman styles are available in more than 20 colors; most other styles are produced in a palette of four to six colors or two-color combinations.
Wtf is the difference between hardcore rap and gangsta rap? (Its Gangsta not gangster by the way). To me they are the same.
[[User:153.18.17.22|153.18.17.22]] 21:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


Crocs also sells other fashion accessories. It has released a line of purses that are also produced in a wide array of colors.
The difference between [[Gangsta Rap]] and [[hardcore rap]] is that Gangsta Rap is usually about life in the projects making references towards drugs and violence also gangsta rappers can make slight political yet aggressive lyrics aimed toward police, now Hardcore Rap has aggressive and bashful lyrics using cuss words but not necessarily discussing about the projects or making refernces towards drugs or violence. a good example of Hardcore Rap would be [[Chamillionaire]] and a good example of Gangsta Rap would be let's just say [[Eazy-E]].[[Special:Contributions/76.101.122.31|76.101.122.31]] ([[User talk:76.101.122.31|talk]]) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 00:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Crocs also recently entered the golf shoe marketplace. Crocs acquired golf shoe manufacturer, Bite Footware and have introduced a croc styled pair of golf shoes, the Crocs Ace.
== Kris Kross Reference ==
Kris Kross is not a gangsta rap group. Any reference to them needs to be removed. Additionally, I removed rappin 4-tay because he was listed under southern gangsta rap when he is from San Francisco. Also, isn't bling bling a subset of rap in itself? I don't think it should be a part of gangsta rap. I suspect most real gangsta rappers would agree with me.
[[User:153.18.17.22|153.18.17.22]] 21:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


== Request for Improvement ==
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The mafioso rap section's last sentence is incomplete. Can whoever wrote this please complete it. Also, the heading of the following section seems to require format improvements.
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* [http://www.crocs.com Crocs Official Website]
* [http://www.crocsindia.com Crocs India Official Website]


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:''In his [[1984]] 12" single "Gangster Boogie" [http://www.globaldarkness.com/articles/schoolly_d_gangster_boogie.htm] he mentions it with "I shot call a ? with my gangster lean"''
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I think if we're going to have this in the article, we need to find out what the missing word is... - [[User:Furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:Furrykef|Talk at me]]) 05:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Subgenre list ==
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In what's sure to be an ongoing nuisance list, [[Special:Contributions/124.187.129.164|an anonymous editor]] has added "subgenres" to the infobox, with the following:
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*[[Australian Hip Hop]]
*[[Oldschool]]
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*[[Trash Beat]]
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Am I correct in assuming these are not '''subgenres''' of gangsta rap, and should go in another article. "Australian" sets a bad precedent because rap music exists now in many countries, in many languages. (French rap being especially fun for us anglophones.)
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Could we agree on a list of subgenres that aren't really ''side''-genres? Or is it better to simply delete that info from the infobox? / [[User:Edgarde|edgarde]] 04:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Critical acclaim: No Limit vs. CMR ==

You wrote:

<P>"Cash Money Records, also based out of New Orleans, had enormous commercial success with a very similar musical style and quantity-over-quality business approach to No Limit but achieved even less critical acclaim and were widely ridiculed."

<P>Most rap fans would tell you that CMR garnered more critical acclaim and less ridicule than No Limit. You should at least change the language to make it more neutral.

<P>both were successful, neither were critically acclaimed. problem solved. [[User:Drumac|Drumac]] 01:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Controversy ==

Should there be a seperate section on "criticism of gangsta rap", or "controversy" or something like that? Because there is some mentions of criticism of Gangsta rap in the introduction, but there is no section of the article that clearly presents the arguments for and against Gangsta Rap. <span style="background-color:black">[[User:TrogdorPolitiks|<font color="red">Heavy Metal Cellist</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:TrogdorPolitiks|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/TrogdorPolitiks|<font color="red">contribs</font>]]</sub></span>

:A ''Criticism'' or ''Controversy'' section would need to be kept strictly [[WP:NPOV]], and [[WP:CITE|unsourced]] material should be removed on sight. Otherwise this section may be dominated by drive-by [[WP:OR|editorials]]. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 20:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

this article shouldn't be "for" or "against" gangsta rap. It should explain what it is. This is an encyclopedia after all.
:If it's [[WP:NPOV]], then it should be unbiased either for or against it, and should include all opinions on the matter that have been researched. Of course that research has to be done by someone first, or we can't include it. I wouldn't have thought that the kind of people who listen to ''Gangsta Rap'' would be that inclined to visit Wikipedia in the first place, so I doubt that many experts on the subject will come forward to do the work, and if they did, they'd hardly be inclined to create a subsection noting criticisms of their beloved ''music (and I use the term very loosely)''. But then again, this is solely my opinion, and their maybe someone out their that's willing to do it.<br><small><span style="color: #00247D; font-weight: bold; padding: 2px">[[User:Bennelliott|<span style="color: #00247D">''Bennelliott''</span>]] • [[User talk:Bennelliott|<span style="color: #00247D">''Talk''</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bennelliott|<span style="color: #00247D">''Contributions''</span>]]</span></small> 21:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that certain versions of both the disscussion and the article have reeked of anti-gangsta rap bias. I dont like that [[User:Souljaman|wiki_is_unique]] ([[User talk:Souljaman|talk]]) 14:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== "Decline" ==

The reasons given for (and the fact of) the commercial decline of Gansta Rap in the last couple years are dubious, unsupported, and unsourced except for a single Bill O'Reilly (a dedicated scholar of Hip Hop if there ever was one) conjecture. The degree to which Biggie Smalls is responsible for the Virginia Tech massacre, for example, to say nothing of the number of people who actually believe this, and the influence an accusation like that has on your average rap consumer's purchasing choice, isn't considered very critically or neutrally. If there are no objections, I'm going to try and find actual information on the popularity of the genre and rewrite the section. S. Martin 22:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Please do, it makes me really uncomfortable that such vague and un-sourced information could be used to justify some perceived decline in gangsta rap. I will see if i can find some information also.[[User:CyberMax1024|CyberMax1024]] 02:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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==Sugarhill Gang==
Should the Sugarhill Gang be mentioned in the "groups who influenced gangsta rap" but were not really gangsta rap?[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=next&oldid=146690945] They had the first commercially successful rap song, so I think it's fair to say they had some influence on all rap. They also have been sampled by gangsta rappers such as Notorious B.I.G. and Boogie Down Productions. [[User:BBonds]] 21:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC) <small>This comment was actually added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=146991264&oldid=146991139 2007-07-25T13:46:50]. No explanation for why it is dated March. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 17:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</small>

:Can't deny the Sugarhill Gang were influential, but I don't think we can reasonably list all influences on ''rap in general'' as Gangsta rap influences. This should be limited to more direct precedents. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 13:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== [[Spice 1]] and [[Sir Jinx]] on ''Early gangsta rap artists'' list ? ==

[[Spice 1]], whose albums started coming out in 1991, seems too late for ''[[Gangsta_rap#Early_gangsta_rap_artists|Early gangsta rap artists]]''. I think the cutoff date should be when ''[[Straight Outta Compton]]'' hit big, roughly 1989 (or late 1988).

[[Sir Jinx]] is a stub with connections. Is he notable enough to be included in ''[[Gangsta_rap#Early_gangsta_rap_artists|Early gangsta rap artists]]''?

Either one of these artists ''may'' be notable enough for a mention in the article, but I think they should be removed from ''[[Gangsta_rap#Early_gangsta_rap_artists|Early gangsta rap artists]]'' list. Any objections? / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 15:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==NPOV regarding criticisms==
I understand the criticism being listed,but why is their no counterargument to balance it out??--[[User:Blackdragon6|Blackdragon6]]

:I guess the problem is ''finding'' counterarguments. Adverse criticism of gangsta rap is everywhere &mdash; a few days ago I heard repeated indictments in a discussion of emergency medicine completely unrelated to music or media. If anyone can provide a few well-sourced and notable counterpoints (that gangsta rap serves a social good, that it's good art, anything good), they could be a great improvements to the article. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 14:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

well i have seen SOME decent counter arguments,but of course they was promptly deleted.also the criticism don't seem to be well sourced either--[[User:Blackdragon6|Blackdragon6]] 19:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

If you have counter-criticism and can source it the post in on here, we can sort out the wording, and it can be added to the article. Though personally I can't see a way of justifying glorification of violence, drugs, etc. Though if there is counter-critcism supporting those lifestyle choices then we can think about adding it to the article. [[User:MattUK|MattUK]] 14:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


==Criticism from within Rap/hip-hop==

IMHO, some space should be given to criticism of Gangsta Rap from within the rap world (by groups such as Public Enemy for example), as many Rappers, particularly more politically driven ones, have condemned Gangsta Rap as being detrimental to the black community[[User:Isaac Benaron|Isaac Benaron]] 20:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good. [[WP:CITE|Sourced]] additions would be very welcome. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|★]]</small> 16:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

>>>>> I agree. Can we PLEASE add a section including criticisms? I would do it myself but don't know enough on the topic. Gangsta rap is extremely sexist and degrading of women. I am tired of listening to Snoop Dogg state that women should be "put in their place" by getting "slapped in the face." What is wrong with him? Clearly, this is one guy who has major issues with women/is scared of them? and feels the need to insult them. I'm just tired in general of these music videos with half naked women dancing behind fully clothed men. Why don't these music videos ever cater to straight women like me (not to mention gay people of both sexes)? I would *love* to see a video where the woman is powerful, has all her clothes on ,and has hot guys with nice bodies dancing behind her. But in american culture, the women have to be the meat on display and the men get to cover up their tubby stomachs under baggy gangsta clothes. It's not just gangsta rap that does this -- there's plenty of white artists, Jamaican artists, other artists who do it too -- but gangsta rappers are the most vocal about calling women "bitches" and "ho's." Anyway .. I really look forward to the day when I get to see guys treated like sex objects and nothing more, the way women are today. Gangsta rappers should be ashamed of themselves .. but of course, they're not, because the rich (often white) record executives are happy to pay them millions of dollars to spew out hateful trash <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.112.229.28|68.112.229.28]] ([[User talk:68.112.229.28|talk]]) 04:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You might notice reading this Talk page that pretty much all criticism, positive or negative, gets objections here. Any criticism added should be [[WP:CITE|sourced]] and [[WP:N|notable]]. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 05:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Notable names==
Snoop Dogg should definatly be mentioned as one of the early and notable rappers in gangsta scene. He already became a rapper in 1991 during the end of NWA. So snoop should be mentioned much more than Biggie. ''[[User:West Coast Ryda|West Coast]] [[User talk:West Coast Ryda|Ryda]]'' 12:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Nah==
Since when did Gangsta Rap start in Philly or New York, Gangsta Rap started in only Los Angeles by Ice-T. [[User:Mcanmoocanu|Mcanmoocanu]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 05:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Jay-Z is Gangsta rap? ==

Since when has Jay-Z been considered Gangsta rap? He isn't really that hardcore with lyrics either to be considered either. I think he needs to be removed. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KillerSim187|KillerSim187]] ([[User talk:KillerSim187|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KillerSim187|contribs]]) 13:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[[WP:BOLD|Be our guest]]. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 14:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Jay-Z is [[Mofasio Rap]] which is basically an east-coast version of Gangsta Rap, plus Mofasio Rap is more influenced by the [[mafia]] lifestyle other than black neighborhood projects lifestyle.[[Special:Contributions/76.101.122.31|76.101.122.31]] ([[User talk:76.101.122.31|talk]]) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 22:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Ice Cube ==
Ice Cube is one of the main pioneers of gangsta rap and helped popularize and bring it to the mainstream. Why isn't he mentioned more in the article? He should at least be mentioned on his own in the 1st section and should be mentioned on his own too without N.W.A. I know he's mentioned a bit on his own but not nearly enough. [[User:Dillon90|Dillon90]] ([[User talk:Dillon90|talk]]) 09:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Fictional tv influence ==

[[Ali G]] purports to exemplify gangsta culture in Da Ali G show. He was a gang member of the "West Staines Massiv". [[User:Gilgamesh007|Gilgamesh007]] ([[User talk:Gilgamesh007|talk]]) 16:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

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Crocs Inc.
Company typePublic (NasdaqCROX)
IndustryWholesale Trade, Retail & Consumer Services, Clothing & Clothing Accessories
Founded2002
HeadquartersUnited States - Niwot, Colorado

Asia - Singapore

Europe - The Hague
Productsshoes
RevenueUS$847.4 (mil.) (2007)
US$168.2 (mil.) (2006)
US$64.4 (mil.) (2006)
Number of employees
5300[1] (2007)
Websitewww.crocs.com

Crocs Inc. (NasdaqCROX) is a shoe manufacturer founded by entrepreneur George B. Boedecker., Jr to produce and distribute a plastic clog originally acquired from a Canadian company. Originally developed as a spa shoe, the first model, the Crocs Beach, was unveiled in November 2002 at the Ft. Lauderdale Boat Show, selling out the 200 pairs produced at that time.[2]

The product line has remained popular, and has the characteristics of a sustained fad, with both ardent support[3] and disapproval.[4]

Crocs has been the title sponsor of the Association of Volleyball Professionals (AVP) Tour since 2006.

Company history

In June 2002, Boedecker used a company he had previously formed called Western Brands[5] to start a shoe company that eventually became known as Crocs, Inc. Boedecker had been approached earlier that same year to produce and distribute a shoe originally developed by Fin Project NA (now Foam Creations Inc.), a company based out of Quebec City, Canada[6]. In September of 2002, Western Brands obtained the rights to the name Crocs.com. In October of 2002, Anthony H. Kruse and Sandstone Ventures, LLC invested additional money and joined Boedecker as owners of Crocs. On that same date, Boedecker hired Blake Anderson, Scott Seamans, Ronald Oliver, George Foti, and Lyndon Victor Hanson III who entered into employment agreements where they could earn a non-voting, profit sharing interest if they continued their employment.[7] After unparalleled success, George B. Boedecker, Jr. amicably resigned as chief executive officer and from the Crocs Board of Directors to pursue philanthropic activities and other business interests including the distributorship of Crocs in Mexico, Cuba, the Dominican Republic and airport kiosks worldwide.

Manufacture and patents

In June 2004, Crocs purchased Foam Creations and their manufacturing operations to secure exclusive rights to the proprietary foam resin "croslite", which is made using ethylene vinyl acetate[8][9]. The foam forms itself to a wearer's feet and offers purported medical benefits, according to a number of podiatrists.[10][11]

Crocs holds four patents covering various utility aspects of its footwear, U.S. Patent No. 6993858 B2 issued February 7, 2006, and U.S. Patent Nos. D517788,, D517789 and D517790 issued on March 28, 2006. The Company also announced that it has filed complaints with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) and the U.S. Federal District Court against 11 companies that manufacture, import or distribute products called Crock-offs that Crocs believes infringe its patents.[12]

Acquisitions

Various types of Crocs with accessories

On October 3 2006, Crocs purchased Jibbitz, a manufacturer of accessories that snap into the holes in Crocs, for US$10 million. On July 30, 2007 Crocs agreed to buy Bite Footwear, based out of Redmond, Washington[13]

Health and safety

Footwear such as Crocs and flip-flops came under scrutiny in 2006 when children suffered injuries after the shoes became caught in escalator mechanisms.[14] This was due to the softness of the shoe's material combined with the relatively smaller size of children's feet.[15]

Rapid City Regional Hospital in Rapid City, South Dakota changed its dress code in 2007 to prohibit the sandal variants, along with those with Jibbitz holes, citing safety concerns, but still allowed closed-top "Professional" and the healthcare focused "Rx" Crocs to be worn.[16] Blekinge hospital in Sweden has banned the wearing of "Foppatoffels" (Swedish nickname derived from the owner of the company that imports the shoes, Peter "Foppa" Forsberg) by hospital staff, due to the concern that the shoes may build up static electricity and thus interfere with electronic equipment.[17][18] Vienna's city hospitals said they were banning popular Crocs plastic clogs, often worn by nursing staff, as they may pose safety risks for patients.[19]

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has approved a model of Crocs with molded insoles as diabetic footwear, which help wearers avoid foot injuries.[20]

Fashion, media and stock price

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Bill Maher New Rule: Stop wearing plastic shoes

While some regard Crocs shoes as comfortable and colorfully decorated, others see them as a fashion disaster, and a sub culture has emerged of people who vocally oppose the shoes. A Washington Post article described the phenomenon: "Nor is the fashion world enamored of Crocs. Though their maker touts their 'ultra-hip Italian styling,' lots of folks find them hideous."[10] A blog named "I Hate Crocs dot com." follows Croc opponents periodically.[4] There is a group on Facebook dedicated to eliminating the shoes.[21] The shoes have been targets of satire: on Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher called for a "New rule: stop wearing plastic shoes," over a photo of Crocs,[22] and The Daily Show "Senior Public Restroom Correspondant" Rob Corddry, following up on the Senator Larry Craig June 2007 lewd conduct arrest, "reported" that anyone wearing Crocs is signalling "anything goes."[23] Commentators have noted that social networking sites are collectively allowing individuals to share their distaste for Crocs[24]. Crocs are #6 on the "Worst" list of Maxim's "The 10 Best & Worst Things to Happen to Men in 2007."[25]

On October 31st, 2007 the stock CROX dropped from $75 per share to slightly under $40 (its value six months previously) when the company announced decreased revenue projections. [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] On April 14th, 2008, the stock dropped 30% in after-hours trading after the company issued a press release in which they significantly guided down earnings estimates for the first quarter. In the same statement they also said they would fire its 600 Quebec City factory employees as retailers have been reducing orders, though about 100 sales and marketing positions will remain. "The retail environment in the U.S. has become increasingly challenging as consumer spending and traffic levels have slowed," Chief Executive Officer Ron Snyder said.

On October 10th 2008, six months after the sharp fall of April 14th 2008, the share price was $1.90 having been steadily falling throughout the Credit Crunch period.

Products

File:Crocs.jpg
A Crocs display in a shop

Crocs come in a variety of styles. They are usually manufactured in China, but they are also made in Florida, Mexico, Romania, Italy, Brazil, Bosnia and Canada.[citation needed]

The shoes are produced in a wide array of colors depending on the model. The Beach and Cayman styles are available in more than 20 colors; most other styles are produced in a palette of four to six colors or two-color combinations.

Crocs also sells other fashion accessories. It has released a line of purses that are also produced in a wide array of colors.

Crocs also recently entered the golf shoe marketplace. Crocs acquired golf shoe manufacturer, Bite Footware and have introduced a croc styled pair of golf shoes, the Crocs Ace.

References

  1. ^ Crocs Inc. Q4 2007 Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha
  2. ^ Fashion Attack, Elizabeth Wellington, Philadelphia Inquirer, 2007-07-05. Retrieved 2007-08-25.
  3. ^ crocfans.com CrocFans website.
  4. ^ a b "I Hate Crocs dot com". Retrieved 2007-08-13.
  5. ^ Western Brands
  6. ^ "Burning Rubber". 5280 Magazine. Retrieved 2008-07-07.
  7. ^ "When Crocs Attack; a shoe tale". Retrieved 2008-08-04. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |Publisher= ignored (|publisher= suggested) (help)
  8. ^ Maniscalco, Michelle (March, 2007). "E-shots Web-exclusive: Patent check: What's in a Croc?". Injection Molding Magazine. Retrieved 2007-07-31. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  9. ^ US 6993858 
  10. ^ a b ""Not Such A Croc"". Washington Post. 1 August 2006. pp. HE01. Retrieved 2007-08-13. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  11. ^ Form 10-K for Crocs Inc. (archive) Crocs 2006 Annual Report. Yahoo!Finance. March 31, 2006. accessed 2007-04-29.
  12. ^ [http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/08/14/0001104659-06-054218/Section13.asp CROCS, INC. Form:10-Q] Filing Date:8/14/2006.
  13. ^ "Crocs will buy Wash. shoemaker". Denver Business Journal. 2007-07-30. Retrieved 2008-08-04.
  14. ^ Crocs can pose a danger on escalators ABC News. Kate Snow, October 5, 2006, accessed 2007-04-19.
  15. ^ Experts recommend caution while wearing clogs WMC-TV Memphis Tennessee. September 21, 2006, accessed 2007-04-19.
  16. ^ Holey Crocs get the boot at Regional Hospital Mary Garrigan, Rapid City Journal, February 1, 2007, accessed 2007-04-18.
  17. ^ Swedish hospital to ban 'Foppatoffels' The Local(Sweden), April 18, 2007, accessed on April 20, 2007.
  18. ^ Plastic clogs disrupt machinery in Swedish hospital Guardian Unlimited (AP), April 19, 2007, accessed April 19, 2007.
  19. ^ Vienna hospitals ban Crocs Mail & Guardian Online, August 12, 2008, accessed August 13, 2008.
  20. ^ Crocs get a lift from diabetics as medical agency OKs footwear
  21. ^ dedicated to eliminating the shoe
  22. ^ "August 24, 2007". Real Time with Bill Maher. Season 10. Episode 1. 2007-08-24. 51.5 minutes in. HBO. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help) "It was only a year ago when only pre-schoolers and mental patients wore these. But now grownups, all over America, have gone Croc crazy. The latest step in our unending quest to dress as casually as humanly possible. You know, I used to wear flip-flops, but they were a little dressy. I want clothing I can hose down! Admit it: we're a nation of slobs who won't be happy until we can go to the mall in a diaper."
  23. ^ "September 10, 2007". The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. 2007-09-10. 10 minutes in. Comedy Central. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |serieslink= ignored (|series-link= suggested) (help) "...Oh, and Jon, anyone in those brightly colored plastic Crocs? That means anything goes. We're talking hardcore ass-[censored] stuff - scat play. And Jon, that's not just in bathrooms. Anytime you see anyone wearing crocs, be aware. ... If they're wearing Crocs, they are soliciting incredibly depraved gay sex. You can take that to the bank."
  24. ^ Croc On; Rob Walker, New York Times Magazine, 2007-07-15
  25. ^ "The 10 Best and Worst Things to Happen to Men in 2007". Maxim Magazine. Retrieved 2007-12-25.
  26. ^ CROX: Basic Chart for CROCS, INC. - Yahoo! Finance
  27. ^ Crocs Shares Plummet on 3Q Results; Yahoo Finance News(AP), 2007-11-01
  28. ^ Crocs Chokes
  29. ^ TheStreet.com : Crocs Gets Stomped | Retail | CROX
  30. ^ http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071101/crocs_ahead_of_the_bell.html?.v=1
  31. ^ UPDATE 2-Crocs outlook lags Wall Street, shares tumble | Markets | Markets News | Reuters
  32. ^ Crocs Eats Shorts - Forbes.com

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