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'''HMCS ''Bonaventure''''' was a [[Majestic class carrier|''Majestic'' class]] [[aircraft carrier]], originally laid down for the British [[Royal Navy]] as '''HMS ''Powerful'''''. She served in the [[Royal Canadian Navy]] and [[Canadian Forces Maritime Command]] from 1957 to 1970 and was the last aircraft carrier to serve Canada.
=== October 7 ===
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== History ==
==== Category:Books by region ====
As HMS ''Powerful'' she was laid down at [[Harland and Wolff]] in [[Belfast]] on [[21 November]] [[1943]], and launched on [[27 February]] [[1945]]. Work was suspended after the end of [[World War II]], and was not resumed until the ship was bought by [[Canada]]. She was acquired in the early 1950s by the Royal Canadian Navy, which was looking to replace its aging WW2-vintage [[light aircraft carrier|light carriers]] [[HMCS Magnificent|''Magnificent'']] (another ''Majestic'' class carrier) and [[HMCS Warrior|''Warrior'']] which were deemed unsuitable for the jet age. Several surplus U.S. and U.K. ships were considered, and the then-incomplete [[HMS Powerful|HMS ''Powerful'']], a [[Majestic class carrier|''Majestic''-class]] light fleet carrier, was purchased in 1952 from the [[Royal Navy]] on the condition that it be refitted with an angled [[flight deck]] and [[steam catapult]].
:'''Rename''' [[:Category:Books by region]] to [[:Category:Books about a region]]
Better reflects the category's contents. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 23:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


''Bonaventure'' - named after [[Bonaventure Island]], a bird sanctuary in the [[Gulf of St. Lawrence]] - was commissioned into the Canadian Navy on [[17 January]] [[1957]], upon completion of its refit and modernization. The navy's new flagship, affectionately known as the "Bonnie", carried a force of about 34 [[McDonnell Douglas]] [[F2H-3 Banshee]] [[jet fighter]]s, [[Grumman]] [[S-2 Tracker|CS2F Tracker]] [[Anti-submarine warfare|ASW]] aircraft (built by [[de Havilland]] in [[Toronto]]), and [[Sikorsky Aircraft|Sikorsky]] [[HO4S]] [[helicopter]]s.
*'''Rename''' as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 23:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom, grudgingly. Another 0.005% complete grand scheme - there are no books about America then? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 03:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''I can't bring myself to !vote''' because the entire "by region" categorization scheme as it currently exists makes me shudder. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 07:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I think Category:Books about a region sounds awful. However, it is better than the existing name which I would take to be books coming out of a region. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 08:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' how about [[:Category:Books about countries by region]]? We have [[:Category:Books about countries]] and the point of this category seems to be to sort the members of that category by region. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 09:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' [[:Category:Books about countries by region]]. Sounds reasonable to make this a middle level navigational tool category, so to speak. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 14:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' How about [[:Category:Books about world regions]]? That would be consistent with [[:Category:Books about countries]]. I suggest "world regions" instead of "regions" to help clarify that this is not a place for books about regions (such as New England or Siberia) that are contained within a single country. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 18:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Looks like we all agree on "Books about...". The problem with "countries by region" is that the members of the subcats aren't all countries, but geographical or geopolitical regions. And while I suppose I don't ''oppose'' "world regions", I'm concerned that we'd be creating a [[WP:NEO|neologism]]. Is there a source out there which might provide a clearer, more specific term? - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Even with the refit, landing a Banshee on the ''Bonaventure''’s relatively short flight deck was pushing the envelope. The wide-winged Trackers were also a tight fit. Despite this, and because of the hard work and dedication of her crew, the ''Bonaventure'' was able by 1958 to conduct around-the-clock SUSTOP (SUSTained OPeration) operations, keeping four Trackers and two HO4S's in the air at all times, saturating an area of 200 square miles (670 km²) with anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. This made the Canadian Navy the only one in the world at the time other than the [[United States Navy|US Navy]] capable of conducting around-the-clock air operations for sustained periods.
==== Category:Military personnel of Switzerland ====
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Military personnel of Switzerland]] to [[:Category:Swiss military personnel]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. This category name is not currently in parallel with other similar categories (e.g., [[:Category:American military personnel]]). [[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 23:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''rename per nom''' for the good reasons stated [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 02:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' (as creator) I'm not sure what I was thinking of doing it this way, but there is a case for it, especially for earlier periods (and perhaps periods in the future) when significant numbers of people fought for countries not their own, not least the Swiss, the world's most famous mercenaries. Does the adjective denote the country they came from, or the one they fought for, or either? We should have categories like [[:Category:Generals of the Holy Roman Empire]] and so on, but we don't. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 03:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*Consistency is good but I would prefer a mass rename to "Military personnel of [place]". — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 05:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep as is''' - I agree with Charlotte that the category structure should be "Military personnel of Foo". Given the mania for characterizing people based on national descent, "Fooian military personnel" lends itself easily to having people miscategorized on that basis. The category name should be clear that it refers to the country for which the person fought, not the country of origin of the fighter. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 07:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
:*Actually I hadn't even thought about mercenaries. See how much of [[Demonym|this article]] you can read before your head hurts. I'd rather not speak of Burkinabés, Monégasques, Damascenes, or Michiganders if I can help it, nor use nouns as adjectives just because "Dominican" and "Congolese" are ambiguous. For this reason I will support "X [from/of/for] Y" wherever possible. Just curious, what do you call a single Swiss person anyway? — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 17:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::*Doesn't matter; he won't come anyway. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 22:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. With no prejudice against a larger group nom of the subcats of [[:Category:Military personnel by nation]] and [[:Category:Swiss people by occupation]]. (And really, of all subcats of: [[:Category:People by nationality]].) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


The Banshees were retired in 1962. In 1964 new [[SH-3 Sea King|CHSS-2 Sea King]] helicopters were added to ''Bonaventure''’s complement, and in 1966 the carrier docked in [[Quebec City, Quebec|Quebec]] for a mid-life refit. This second refit took eighteen months and cost $11 million. After the 1968 unification of the [[Canadian Forces]], the ''Bonaventure'' was decommissioned, in Halifax, on [[3 July]] [[1970]] and was scrapped in Taiwan in 1971. Components from ''Bonaventure''’s steam catapult were used to rebuild the catapult aboard Australian aircraft carrier [[HMAS Melbourne (R21)|HMAS ''Melbourne'']].<ref name=Hall213>Hall, p. 213.</ref>
==== Category:Graphs as models of other objects ====
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Graphs as models of other objects]] to <s> [[:Category:Graphs as models of other structures]]</s>
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. I created this category today, but now I see the name is not good: [[graph (mathematics)|graph]]s are models of ''structures'', rather than of ''objects''. After a second thought, a better idea would be [[:Category:Graphs defined as models of certain relations]]. It looks too long, but that's the intention of the category. [[User:Twri|Twri]] ([[User talk:Twri|talk]]) 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


== Description ==
*'''Comment''' - Ok, after doing some reading for this nom, I just learned a lot about methematical mechanics. So thank you for that at least : ) - That said, this cat seems a result of you very recently splitting [[:Category:Graphs]]. My main concern is that, due to even you not being certain about the target name, that we'll be back here in a few days with a new nom for a "better" name. As such, I dropped a note at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics]] ([[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics|talk]]) to see if someone there might have some further suggestions. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
=== Before 1967 refit ===
*'''Delete''' or listify or even make a popper article. This category is too broad and poorly defined. The concept of using one type of structure to model another is just to ubiquitous in mathematics to be useful for chaterisation. You could potentially list every possible graph here as it will model some structure or other. I could see an interesting article about the various ways graphs are used to model other structures. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 07:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


[[Tonnage#Weight-based systems|Displacement]]: 16,000 t, 19,920 t full load<br>
==== Category:True-believer syndrome ====
Dimensions: 192.02 by 24.38 by 7.47&nbsp;m<br>
:[[:Category:True-believer syndrome]] - {{lc1|True-believer syndrome}}<br />
Propulsion: [[Parsons Marine Steam Turbine Company|Parsons]] single-reduction geared [[steam turbine]]s, four Admiralty 3-drum type 350&nbsp;psi (2.4&nbsp;MPa) [[boiler]]s, two shafts; 40,000&nbsp;shp (30&nbsp;MW)<br>
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Terminology proposed by a single writer which could be considered derogatory and is highly likely to be misused. [[User:Wednesday Next|Wednesday Next]] ([[User talk:Wednesday Next|talk]]) 20:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Speed Maximum: 24.5&nbsp;[[knot (nautical)|knots]] (45&nbsp;km/h)<br>
*'''Delete'''. I can't imagine anything which really belongs in the category. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 20:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Crew: 1200; 1370 war<br>
*'''Delete''' As currently formulated, I have no idea what is supposed to be in here. The article for [[Cancell]] seems to have no relation to [[True-believer syndrome]]; [[Dowsing]] is a poor example; and [[Royal Rife]] was a scientist who made some mistakes. I don't see any of these article, other than the parent, that have any relevance to the subject to merit a category. I will be willing to reconsider if there is some evidence that this can be more than one article or why the other articles belong here. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 22:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Aviation: Around 34 aircraft, including:
*'''Delete'''; we don't, for instance, put groups deemed to be cults into [[:Category:Cults]]. There is too much room for contention here over a term that seems only to be pop psychology (does it belong in [[:Category:Popular psychology]]?). -[[User:Choster|choster]] ([[User talk:Choster|talk]]) 22:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* HS 50 Squadron: Sikorsky HO4S
*'''Delete''' - I don't see any sources which make this claim about the category members. And further, then, this cat has a [[WP:BLP]] problem, as well. This is clearly [[WP:OR]]. Inclusion, if kept, would be solely at the discretion of Wikipedia editors, which is, of course, contrary to core policy. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* VF 870 and VF 871 Squadron: McDonnell F2H-3 Banshee
*'''Delete''' - the category would obviously be ''intended'' for articles about a particular psychological condition: of which there are unlikely to be very many, or even any. It would equally obviously be ''used'' to label people whose opinions other people don't like, of which there are likely to be very many indeed, followed by a commensurate number of rows. [[User:Richard Pinch|Richard Pinch]] ([[User talk:Richard Pinch|talk]]) 07:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
* VS 880 and VS 881 Squadron: Grumman CS2F Tracker
Flight Deck: 214.58 by 34.29&nbsp;m<br>
[[Radar]]: US [[AN/SPS-10]] surface search, [[AN/SPS-12]] air search, and [[SPS-8]] height finder<br>
Armament: 4 × 3&nbsp;in (76&nbsp;mm) 50 twin mounts, 3 × 6&nbsp;pdr (3&nbsp;kg) [[saluting gun]]s


=== After 1967 refit (alterations in bold)===
==== Category:Comic book alternate universes ====
:'''Rename''' [[:Category:Comic book alternate universes]] to [[:Category:Parallel universe (comics)]]
To match [[:Category:Parallel universe (fiction)]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Displacement: 16,000&nbsp;tons, and 19,920&nbsp;tons full load<br>
*'''Rename''' - as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Dimensions: 192.02 by 24.38 by 7.47&nbsp;m<br>
*'''Rename''' - The words are mostly interchangeable, but I see "parallel" as more inclusive, whereas "alternate" seems predicated on the changing of certain circumstances, à la ''[[What If?]]'' I would prefer it to be plural, however: Parallel universe'''''s'''''. --[[User:GentlemanGhost|GentlemanGhost]] ([[User talk:GentlemanGhost|talk]]) 00:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Propulsion: Parsons single-reduction geared steam turbines, four Admiralty 3-drum type 350&nbsp;psi (2.4&nbsp;MPa) boilers, two shafts; 40,000&nbsp;shp (30&nbsp;MW)<br>
*:I don't have much of a problem with that, but then the parent should be renamed similarly. (And I was attempting to skirt that question in this nom : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Speed Maximum: 24.5&nbsp;knots (45&nbsp;km/h)<br>
*::To clarify, I'd would be great if the closer were to also speedy rename ([[WP:CSD#C2]]) [[:Category:Parallel universe (fiction)]] to [[:Category:Parallel universes (fiction)]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Crew: 1200; 1370 war<br>
*'''Keep''' - if, as I assume, it means to apply articles about particular fictional universes, as opposed to the rather fewer articles about the concept of a parallel universe as used in comics. [[User:Richard Pinch|Richard Pinch]] ([[User talk:Richard Pinch|talk]]) 07:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Aviation: Around '''21''' aircraft, including:
* HS 50 Squadron: Sikorsky HO4S
* '''HS 50, HU 21, and VX 10 Squadron: Sikorsky CHSS-2 Sea King'''
* VS 880 and VS 881 Squadron: Grumman CS2F Tracker
Flight Deck: 214.58 by 34.29&nbsp;m<br>
Radar: '''US AN/SPS-10 surface search, and AN/SPS-501 air search'''<br>
Armament: Four 3&nbsp;in (76&nbsp;mm) 50 twin mounts, three 6&nbsp;pounder (3&nbsp;kg) saluting guns


== See also ==
==== Category:Fictional comedy characters ====
:'''Rename''' [[:Category:Fictional comedy characters]] to [[:Category:Fictional characters in works of comedy]] or [[:Category:Fictional characters in comedy]] (Or something similar.)


* [[List of aircraft carriers]]
Compare to [[:Category:Literary characters by genre of work]]. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
* [[List of World War II ships]]
* [[List of ship launches in 1943]]
* [[List of ship commissionings in 1957]]
* [[List of ship decommissionings in 1970]]


==References==
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Fictional characters in works of comedy]] - as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Ships/POWERFUL.html
*I'm leaning more towards "Fictional characters in comedy", "Fictional characters in romance" and so on, sub-catting into fictional comics by genre and form, so "Fictional characters in comedy novels". [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 00:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
* {{cite book |last=Hall |first=Timothy |title=HMAS Melbourne |year=1982 |publisher=George Allen & Unwin |location=North Sydney, NSW |isbn=0-86861-284-7 |oclc=9753221}}
*:I can see both sides of it, and am pretty close to neutral between the two choices (and would be interested in hearing if there were other options as well). I honestly actually only picked the one I did due to previous comments of yours : ) [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 01:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*::Well, it is complicated. It basically means working out a structure, and then working out the names. Is this category going to hold articles or subcategories? That would, to my mind, influence the name. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 13:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*::Probably both, potentially. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 07:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - there are comedy, or comic, or comedic, or just plain funny, characters in works that are not works of comedy (eg [[Falstaff]] in [[Henry V (play)]], the Porter in [[Macbeth]]). The first name includes them, the second one doesn't. Which is intended? [[User:Richard Pinch|Richard Pinch]] ([[User talk:Richard Pinch|talk]]) 07:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


{{reflist}}
==== Category:Preserve America Communities ====
:[[:Category:Preserve America Communities]]
There are concerns on the [[Category talk:Preserve America Communities|talk page]], which suggest that at least this should be a list. However, considering that this is merely categorising cities by a particular US government program (See [[Preserve America]]), I'm not sure that this should even be a list (besides the 500+ members that the category would potentially have). - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Note that [[List of Preserve America Communities]] has been created per the discussion below. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 02:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


{{Majestic-class aircraft carriers}}
*'''Listify/Delete''' - as nominator. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Convert to a list.''' I am the one who commented that this content would be more appropriate as a list, but until this proposed deletion (which I assume was occasioned by my recently adding a bunch of articles to the category), no one has responded to that proposal. (I do not know what the category's creator had in mind.) I think a list would be more useful for this topic than a category. Designation as a Preserve America Community requires that a place (which could be a city, county, neighborhood, Indian reservation, etc.) have undertaken a program to promote historic/cultural preservation and heritage tourism/education, so a Wikipedia list of Preserve America Communities (with links to their Wikipedia articles) would have informational value for people interested in the topic of heritage promotion (either as heritage tourists or as heritage promoters). (That subject matter is loosely related to the subject matter of the [[National Register of Historic Places]], which has an active Wikiproject.) <br />Although new communities might be added to Preserve America in the future, the current list membership is likely to be fairly stable, as there is no requirement for designated communities to requalify. Since this is a Bush Administration initiative, the program might evaporate under the next President, but the Preserve America signs and other vestiges of designation that exist in these communities are likely to survive for a long time. If list size became a problem, the handful of states (such as Kentucky and Texas) with large numbers of Preserve America Communities could be split out. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 17:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*:Two things.
*: First, I don't necessarily oppose this being a list (except for the concern I noted above due to size).
*:Second, this CfD nom doesn't prevent you from starting such a list immediately, if you would wish. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 18:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*::I figured the category wasn't doing any real harm, and I have been hoping for [[User:Wolfdog1|its creator]] to return and explain his/her intentions. From the time in August that I posted the comment until the day before yesterday, the category's creator had been inactive, but s/he has reappeared, and I've added another user talk page note... --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 18:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*:::I have started a list article that could replace this category. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 18:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


{{DEFAULTSORT:Bonaventure (CVL 22)}}
==== Category:Outrageous Fortune characters ====
[[Category:Majestic class aircraft carriers]]
:[[:Category:Outrageous Fortune characters]] - {{lc1|Outrageous Fortune characters}}<br />
[[Category:Aircraft carriers of Canada]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' As a result of AfDs with concensus to merge, category is populated by only a single article. [[User:McWomble|McWomble]] ([[User talk:McWomble|talk]]) 11:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Royal Canadian Navy aircraft carriers]]
[[Category:Canadian Forces aircraft carriers]]
[[Category:Cold War aircraft carriers of Canada]]
[[Category:Belfast-built ships]]


[[de:HMCS Bonaventure (CVL 22)]]
==== Category:Members of the Detection Club ====
[[fr:NCSM Bonaventure]]
:[[:Category:Members of the Detection Club]] - {{lc1|Members of the Detection Club}}<br />
[[ja:ボナヴェンチャー (空母)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete''' - I submit ladies and gentlemen that membership in this club is insufficiently defining of its members to warrant categorization, and that a list should be placed in the main article. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 10:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' The most notable British fiction writers establishing a notable group for the purpose of organizing and establishing rules for mystery fiction is a strong defining characteristic. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 14:59, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete and listify'''. No one's doubting the notability of the club, just the appropriateness of using a category for the purpose of listing its members. There should be a list made either in the main article or in a separate [[List of members of the Detection Club]] article, where adequate sources can be added. There's no convenient way of adding sources for inclusion in a category. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
**The problem is that "There's no convenient way of adding sources for inclusion" in any category in Wikipedia, not just this one. This is a vote that is not relevant to this category, but instead would insist that the whole category system be dismantled in its entirety. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 15:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
***Not at all. Most categorization is either uncontroversial or is based on information independently mentioned and sourced in the text. Thus, people only get included in the various "LGBT whatever" categories if their sexual orientation is already discussed and sourced in the text. In this case, the category would work if the biography of every member of the Detection Club specifically mentioned that person's membership and sourced it, but that would be cumbersome as membership in this club isn't really all that relevant to most of its members' careers. So in this case, having a list makes more sense than having a category. (A secondary point: this category is also inconvenient because its main article doesn't even strictly belong in the category: the Detection Club is not itself a member of the Detection Club.) —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 16:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
****There are controversial categories, but this isn't one of them, unless [[:Category:LGBT Members of the Detection Club]] is forthcoming. As with every single category in Wikipedia, reliable sources to support inclusion can only go into an article. You are describing generic limitations that apply to the entire category architecture in Wikipedia, not just to this category. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 22:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Listify and delete''' per arguments above. Best done in article space rather than category space. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 20:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*:[[WP:CLN]] encourages the coexistence and synergy of both lists AND categories. Is there any policy reason for this category to be deleted? [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 05:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*::Yes. [[WP:CONSENSUS]] is policy. If the consensus is that this information is more usefully presented as a list than as a category, then the category is to be deleted. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 06:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*:::As [[WP:CONSENSUS]] states, "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale". If you would like to change [[WP:CLN]], feel free to get consensus to do so. Until then, [[WP:CLN]]'s clearly stated admonition "Accordingly, these methods should '''''not''''' [emphasis in original] be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others. For example, since editors differ in style, some favor building lists while others favor building categories, allowing links to be gathered in two different ways, with lists often leapfrogging categories, and vice versa." takes precedence. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 06:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*::::Fortunately, nothing at [[WP:CLN]] as currently written requires us to keep useless categories if we don't want to. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 07:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::*(yawn) Hey, do me a favor, would ya Alansohn? Could you let me know ''exactly'' how many times it needs to be explained to you that [[WP:CLN]] does not in any way ''mandate'' that information be presented in more than one grouping format? Because I know I've explained it to you more than a dozen times and other editors have explained it as well, but somehow it just doesn't seem to be making it through to you. I can only think that there is some critical mass threshold of repetition that is required before it becomes clear. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 07:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*::([[Help:Edit conflict|ec]]) - You (Alansohn) may wish to re-read CLN. In any case, I think you have it backwards. We encourage a list to coincide with a category (it helps explain the grouping, the circumstances, and most importantly the sourcing). We do ''not'' necessarily encourage a category when a list already exists. The category system is a navigational tool, it should not be used to replace content in article space.
*::And if you'll note Hiding's comments in other discussions, he repeatedly suggests that unless an article can be written about a topic, then a category concerning the topic shouldn't exist. (Which may or may not be relevant in this case.)
*::All that said, the relevant related policies and guidelines you may be looking for are [[WP:BLP]], [[WP:N]], [[WP:CAT]], [[Wikipedia:Categorization of people]], [[WP:OC]], etc. - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*:::Read above reply to Hiding, and may I emphasize that you would greatly benefit both from reading [[WP:CLN]] and from applying it as the relevant Wikipedia guideline on the matter. I will also point out that there is already an article about the topic. I fully support the creation of a standalone list, in keeping with [[WP:CLN]]'s guideline on the benefits of lists AND categories coexisting. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 06:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]]. I also note that there is no problem with sources as the article links to a list of members to 2001. Any bio that had this category should state that the subject is a member and link to that source. --[[User:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''Bduke'''</span>]] [[User_talk:Bduke|<span style="color:#002147;">'''(Discussion)'''</span>]] 23:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
**Exactly - any article in this category has to explicitly mention the fact and source it. But membership in this group is not a significant event in most of the author's lives, and most articles won't benefit from having a sentence along the lines of "Oh yeah, s/he was in the Detection Club, too" crammed in somewhere. That's why a list makes more sense than a category. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 06:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - (Just because it sounded like fun) - [[WP:WAX|What about]] [[:Category:Members of organizations]]? : ) - [[User:Jc37|jc37]] 06:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

====Category:Dune====
:{{lc|Dune}}
'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Dune universe]] to match the lead article [[Dune universe]] and the [[:commons:Category:Dune universe]] and to avoid confusion with [[sand dunes]] and the like. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 09:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC) I just noticed [[sand dunes]] is a redirect to [[Dune]], so this confusion is more plausible than I originally thought. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 14:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 11:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. Definitely likely for confusion. [[Special:Contributions/70.51.8.75|70.51.8.75]] ([[User talk:70.51.8.75|talk]]) 05:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==== Category:Herzegovinans ====
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Herzegovinans]] to [[:Category:Herzegovinians]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' A search at Google Books (more reliable than simple Google for spelling issues) reveals that [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22herzegovinian%22 "Herzegovin'''i'''an"] is considerably more common than [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22herzegovinan%22 "Herzegovinan"]. The lead article of the category has already been moved from [[Herzegovinans]] to [[Herzegovinians]]. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 09:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with a {{tl|category redirect}} from the less common spelling. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 09:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==== Category:National/Local Campsites of Scouting Ireland ====
:'''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:National/Local Campsites of Scouting Ireland]] to [[:Category:National and local campsites of Scouting Ireland]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. capitalization. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 04:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Campsites of Scouting Ireland]] and drop the whole "National and local" portion. [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]] ([[User talk:Alansohn|talk]]) 06:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:Campsites of Scouting Ireland]] per [[User:Alansohn|Alansohn]]. [[User:Occuli|Occuli]] ([[User talk:Occuli|talk]]) 15:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

====Category:Humor====
:{{lc|Humor}}
Might ought to move this to [[:Category:Humour]] to match the lead article [[Humour]]. Alternatively the article could be moved the opposite way, back to [[Humor]] (which was the incidentally the original title [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Humour&diff=prev&oldid=7455]). I'm not wanting to start a big flame-war here, just saying that the same spelling should be used for the article and the category, I really don't care which one (speaking as an American who sometimes uses the British spelling she's trying to be more humourous [[Image:Smiley.svg|15px|]]). — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 01:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*Oh, Webb, what untangled weave you have practiced to conceive! (with apologies to [[Marmion (poem)|Walter Scott]]) What infernal can of worms have you opened? Alas, Her Majesty is not amused... I fear the only solution that might enable us to avoid a full-blown civil war over this may be to rename both to '''Humer''' (or perhaps some other, equally elegant variant) -- with, of course, redirects from both of the rival spellings. [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 03:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::I know it kind of ruins things when you explain <s>humor</s> humer, but just in case it's not familiar to all, I thought it would be good to have the original line here for reference: "Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!" (from Scott's poem, ''Marmion''). [[User:Cgingold|Cgingold]] ([[User talk:Cgingold|talk]]) 12:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I don't think we should use this forum to deal with the British English vs. American English problem as a first instance. In this particular case I think [[Talk:Humour]] could discuss this viable inconsistency if need be, and if they decide the overall solution would be to rename the category page, then the CFD could be raised citing that mandate. __[[User:Meco|meco]] ([[User talk:Meco|talk]]) 08:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
**Shrug, if they want to move it to "Humor" in the future (I doubt it) this category can easily be renamed back. I don't care what the final result is, I just want consistency right now. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 08:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
**I left a note on the talk page, but judging by the talk page header, nobody wants to consider any change of the article title (there is a banner at the top which implies that such comments should go on a sub-page where they can be more easily ignored). — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 08:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''', I think the inconsistency adds to the article and the category, and besides which, Wikipedia doesn't [[WP:IAR| have standards]]. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 08:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
**Do you mean that readers find the inconsistency humorous? — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 09:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
***No. I mean "I think the inconsistency adds to the article and the category." I don't see a reason to delete since we don't have to standardise, and I like the quirkiness. I don't share your opinion that the same spelling should be used for the article and the category, is all it amounts to. There's not really any policy or guidance that applies here, it's just one of those things you either like or you don't like. I appreciate the arguments for standardising, but they don't carry any more weight than those for not standardising in this instance. It's just personal preference. Do we want a uniform encyclopedia or one that allows the odd quirk? [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 11:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. Main article name appears stable, so why shilly-shally? [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 03:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It's bad enough the main article was moved in violation of policy, at least the category can stay where it belongs. —[[User:Angr|'''An''']][[User talk:Angr|''gr'']] 05:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==== Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of ScienceApologist ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''delete'''. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 02:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of ScienceApologist]] - {{lc1|Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of ScienceApologist}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Attack page made by [[User:Elonka]] against me. [[User:ScienceApologist|ScienceApologist]] ([[User talk:ScienceApologist|talk]]) 01:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*Well, are they yours? — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 01:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
**If the question is, is this an "alternate accounts used in a manner forbidden by Wikipedia's policies" as Elonka wrote? Then the answer is "no". I am tempted to go to [[WP:OFFICE]] with this one as it looks like it is an attempt to get people to stalk me to an anonymous IP account. However, we can make this all go away by simply deleting the category which was maliciously started for reasons I can only surmise. [[User:ScienceApologist|ScienceApologist]] ([[User talk:ScienceApologist|talk]]) 01:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*Unless there's a claim made that the IP was used as a [[WP:SOCK]] puppet, rather than as a proper alternate account, delete and [{WP:TROUT]] the creator. If there is such a claim, point to evidence, which has not been done on any (clearly) relevant page. — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]] [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 01:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
** Per [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Martinphi-ScienceApologist#ScienceApologist limited to one account|the ScienceApologist ArbCom case]], ScienceApologist is only allowed to use one account. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 01:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
***Editing while not logged into any account might violates the spirit of that ruling but I'd rather not speculate about this. Has anyone asked arbcom to clarify? — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 01:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
****Looking at the disputed edits on [[psychic]] the edits are obviously SA, in fact this is so obvious (even down to referring to discussions on the talkpage ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychic&diff=next&oldid=243510489 diff]) that I can't imagine that SA was making any attempt to hide his identity. If he was I'd class this as probably the worst attempt at a sockpuppet in history. [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] ([[User talk:TimVickers|talk]]) 01:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
***** Okay, I'll freely admit that I'm fairly inexperienced with sock tagging, so it looks like the category was more than is needed. The fair thing to do is delete the category, so I went ahead and removed the tag from the anon, and deleted the category as G7. Thanks to everyone for commenting, and I apologize for jumping the gun here. --[[User:Elonka|El]][[User talk:Elonka|on]][[Special:Contributions/Elonka|ka]] 02:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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==== Category:Images by 84user ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''delete'''. — [[User talk:CharlotteWebb|CharlotteWebb]] 02:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Images by 84user]] - {{lc1|Images by 84user}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' I have seen many CfDs for Images by ..., all of which have been deleted. Also, doesn't help coordinate encyclopedic collaboration. [[User:Ilikepie2221|<font face="Segoe Print" color="#6B4226">Pie is good</font>]] [[User talk:Ilikepie2221|<font face="Segoe Script" color="#78AB46"><small><sup>(Apple is the best)</sup></small></font>]] 00:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::I've emptied it now, so delete away. (BTW, they were to demonstrate a still-existing bug, see [[:Category:Images of browser bugs]]) [[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 01:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::[[WP:CSD#G7|G7]]'d it for ya'. Dunno' what templates to use to close this, though. Cheers. <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 01:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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File:HMCS Bonaventure 1960s.jpg
HMCS Bonaventure (CVL 22) leaving Halifax Harbour in the 1960s.
History
Canada
NameHMCS Bonaventure
BuilderHarland & Wolff, Belfast
Laid down27 November 1943
Launched27 February 1945
Acquired23 April 1952
Commissioned17 January 1957
Decommissioned3 July 1970
FateBroken up 1971
General characteristics
Displacement16,000 tonnes
Length629.9 ft (192.0 m)
Beam79.9 ft (24.4 m)
Draught24.5 ft (7.5 m)
PropulsionParsons single-reduction geared steam turbines, four Admiralty 3-drum type 350 psi (2.4 MPa) boilers, two shafts; 40,000 shp (30 MW)
Speed24.5 knots (45.4 km/h)
Complement1,200 (1,370 war)
Armamentlist error: <br /> list (help)
4 × 3 inch (2 barrelled) guns
8 × Bofors 40 mm guns
Aircraft carriedlist error: <br /> list (help)
34 MD F2H-3 Banshee jet fighters
Grumman CS2F Tracker ASW
Sikorsky HO4S helicopters
For other ships with the same name, see HMS Powerful.

HMCS Bonaventure was a Majestic class aircraft carrier, originally laid down for the British Royal Navy as HMS Powerful. She served in the Royal Canadian Navy and Canadian Forces Maritime Command from 1957 to 1970 and was the last aircraft carrier to serve Canada.

History

As HMS Powerful she was laid down at Harland and Wolff in Belfast on 21 November 1943, and launched on 27 February 1945. Work was suspended after the end of World War II, and was not resumed until the ship was bought by Canada. She was acquired in the early 1950s by the Royal Canadian Navy, which was looking to replace its aging WW2-vintage light carriers Magnificent (another Majestic class carrier) and Warrior which were deemed unsuitable for the jet age. Several surplus U.S. and U.K. ships were considered, and the then-incomplete HMS Powerful, a Majestic-class light fleet carrier, was purchased in 1952 from the Royal Navy on the condition that it be refitted with an angled flight deck and steam catapult.

Bonaventure - named after Bonaventure Island, a bird sanctuary in the Gulf of St. Lawrence - was commissioned into the Canadian Navy on 17 January 1957, upon completion of its refit and modernization. The navy's new flagship, affectionately known as the "Bonnie", carried a force of about 34 McDonnell Douglas F2H-3 Banshee jet fighters, Grumman CS2F Tracker ASW aircraft (built by de Havilland in Toronto), and Sikorsky HO4S helicopters.

Even with the refit, landing a Banshee on the Bonaventure’s relatively short flight deck was pushing the envelope. The wide-winged Trackers were also a tight fit. Despite this, and because of the hard work and dedication of her crew, the Bonaventure was able by 1958 to conduct around-the-clock SUSTOP (SUSTained OPeration) operations, keeping four Trackers and two HO4S's in the air at all times, saturating an area of 200 square miles (670 km²) with anti-submarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. This made the Canadian Navy the only one in the world at the time other than the US Navy capable of conducting around-the-clock air operations for sustained periods.

The Banshees were retired in 1962. In 1964 new CHSS-2 Sea King helicopters were added to Bonaventure’s complement, and in 1966 the carrier docked in Quebec for a mid-life refit. This second refit took eighteen months and cost $11 million. After the 1968 unification of the Canadian Forces, the Bonaventure was decommissioned, in Halifax, on 3 July 1970 and was scrapped in Taiwan in 1971. Components from Bonaventure’s steam catapult were used to rebuild the catapult aboard Australian aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne.[1]

Description

Before 1967 refit

Displacement: 16,000 t, 19,920 t full load
Dimensions: 192.02 by 24.38 by 7.47 m
Propulsion: Parsons single-reduction geared steam turbines, four Admiralty 3-drum type 350 psi (2.4 MPa) boilers, two shafts; 40,000 shp (30 MW)
Speed Maximum: 24.5 knots (45 km/h)
Crew: 1200; 1370 war
Aviation: Around 34 aircraft, including:

  • HS 50 Squadron: Sikorsky HO4S
  • VF 870 and VF 871 Squadron: McDonnell F2H-3 Banshee
  • VS 880 and VS 881 Squadron: Grumman CS2F Tracker

Flight Deck: 214.58 by 34.29 m
Radar: US AN/SPS-10 surface search, AN/SPS-12 air search, and SPS-8 height finder
Armament: 4 × 3 in (76 mm) 50 twin mounts, 3 × 6 pdr (3 kg) saluting guns

After 1967 refit (alterations in bold)

Displacement: 16,000 tons, and 19,920 tons full load
Dimensions: 192.02 by 24.38 by 7.47 m
Propulsion: Parsons single-reduction geared steam turbines, four Admiralty 3-drum type 350 psi (2.4 MPa) boilers, two shafts; 40,000 shp (30 MW)
Speed Maximum: 24.5 knots (45 km/h)
Crew: 1200; 1370 war
Aviation: Around 21 aircraft, including:

  • HS 50 Squadron: Sikorsky HO4S
  • HS 50, HU 21, and VX 10 Squadron: Sikorsky CHSS-2 Sea King
  • VS 880 and VS 881 Squadron: Grumman CS2F Tracker

Flight Deck: 214.58 by 34.29 m
Radar: US AN/SPS-10 surface search, and AN/SPS-501 air search
Armament: Four 3 in (76 mm) 50 twin mounts, three 6 pounder (3 kg) saluting guns

See also

References

  • http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Ships/POWERFUL.html
  • Hall, Timothy (1982). HMAS Melbourne. North Sydney, NSW: George Allen & Unwin. ISBN 0-86861-284-7. OCLC 9753221.
  1. ^ Hall, p. 213.
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